Commenter Philosopher has been talking a lot about the autism-schizophrenia continuum so I wanted to talk a bit about the basis for this theory and some of the challenges.
The notion that autism and schizophrenia are opposite extremes of the same continuum was perhaps first proposed by Bernard Crespi, an evolutionary biologist at Simon Fraser University in Vancouver, Canada, and Christopher Badcock, an Emeritus Reader in Sociology at the University of London. They proposed that just as autism is thought to be an extreme male brain, schizophrenia is an extreme female brain. The idea is that human neurology forms a bell curve, where normal (neuro-typical people) are in the middle and autistics and schizophrenics are at the extremes.
The role of race
Then in 2014 and 2015, Pumpkin Person argued that the autism schizophrenia continuum was part of Rushton’s r-K evolutionary continuum, where r populations are those that evolved high reproduction rates, low survival rates, and K populations evolved low reproduction rates and high survival rates. This seemed to explain why schizophrenia was high in blacks and high in the lower social classes, while autism was higher in the upper classes, and perhaps in East Asians. The notion that blacks are more likely to be schizophrenic may seem incompatible with the idea that schizophrenia is an extreme female brain, since blacks are arguably the most masculine race with perhaps the highest testosterone levels, however physical and temperamental masculinity should not be confused with cognitive masculinity (Steve Sailer made a similar point).
Coolness vs nerdiness
r and K seems to correspond with the stereotypical idea of “coolness” vs “nerdiness” with blacks stereotyped by the U.S. media as the cool race, and East Asians stereotyped as the nerdy race, and whites being the perfect balance between both extremes.
But it’s too simplistic to say that autism is just extreme nerdiness. For one thing, nerds tend to have high IQs and successful lives (i.e. Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg) so if autism were merely extreme nerdiness, you’d expect autistics to have even higher IQs and even more successful lives. Instead, autistics are often mentally retarded and require lifelong supervision.
Yet we know autism is related to nerdiness because nerds (i.e. people in STEM fields) are more likely to have autistic relatives, though this could partly be because they have children late, thus increasing the mutation load, and not entirely because STEM genes are intrinsically autistic.
However my tentative hypothesis is that as humans migrated out of the tropics and into the colder climates of Northern Europe and especially Northeast Asia, they not only needed higher global IQ, but a different cognitive profile. While Theory of Mind IQ was crucial in the tropics to gain status and attract mates, in the freezing ice age, women didn’t have the luxury of choosing the guy who most charmed them. They had to go with the best survivor, so men with primarily technological smarts won out over men with mostly social smarts.
Further, the ice age selected for obsessive focus (an autistic personality) because you had to be in love with only one woman to raise a stable family, and you had to focus on building shelter and clothing before it got too cold.
A Northeast Asian focusing on what matters & not getting distracted
By contrast in the tropics, social IQ was more important that technological IQ, because almost all modern humans have enough to technical savvy to survive in warm climates, but only those with the Theory of Mind to manipulate women and undermine their male competitors could reproduce prolifically. And with so many women to reproduce with, the guy who obsessively focused on just one, lost out genetically to the guy who got distracted by every pretty young thing that walked by (a schizophrenic personality).

tropical peoples love to have fun
Shifting to a two-dimensional spectrum
But while autism and schizophrenia are opposites in where they fall in the male > female, K > r, nerdiness > coolness, ice people > tropical people, continuum, it’s an over-simplification to say they are opposites completely.
On the contrary, schizophrenia and autism are both pathological, both found in many of the same families, and both partly caused by some of the same genetic variants. So instead of just thinking about a single spectrum, I’ve argued that we need to think in two dimensions, and realize that while autistics and schizophrenia are at opposite extremes on one axis, they are at the same extreme on another.
The dimension on which the two conditions share the same extreme is executive function, a vaguely defined part of intelligence described by Wikipedia as “a set of cognitive processes – including attentional control, inhibitory control, working memory, and cognitive flexibility, as well as reasoning, problem solving, and planning – that are necessary for the cognitive control of behavior: selecting and successfully monitoring behaviors that facilitate the attainment of chosen goals.[1][2][3] ”
Although executive functioning is underrepresented on most IQ tests, it is crucial to how I love to define intelligence: The mental ability to adapt: to take whatever situation you’re in and turn it around to your advantage.
I think combining the executive function spectrum with the nerdiness spectrum better explains autism and schizophrenia than a one dimensional spectrum could. Below is a first draft of the two-dimensional model
low nerdiness | normal | high nerdiness | |
high executive functioning | Oprah, Bill Clinton, Jesus, the prophet Muhammad | typical high achiever | Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg, Albert Einstein |
normal | Charles Manson | average person | typical nerd |
low executive functioning | schizophrenia | typical low achiever | autism |
“Then in 2014 and 2015, Pumpkin Person argued that the autism schizophrenia continuum was part of Rushton’s r-K evolutionary continuum, where r populations are those that evolved high reproduction rates, low survival rates, and K populations evolved low reproduction rates and high survival rates. ”
Please state your argument.
Here are some arguments you can use for an example on how to structure yours:
Click to access Gensler,%20Harry%20-%20Introduction%20to%20Logic.pdf
“If there is a God, then God created the universe.
If God created the universe, then matter didn’t always exist.
Matter always existed.
Therefore There is no God”
“If we have a simple concept proper to God, then we’ve directly experienced God
and we can’t rationally doubt God’s existence.
We haven’t directly experienced God.
Therefore We can rationally doubt God’s existence.”
“If belief in God were a purely intellectual matter, then either all smart people
would be believers or all smart people would be non-believers.
Not all smart people are believers.
Not all smart people are non-believers.
Therefore Belief in God isn’t a purely intellectual matter.”
Structure your argument like this, as that’s how you make an argument. Arguments begin with ‘if’ and have ‘then’ in them.
If Anne is home, then Bob is can be translated into syllogistic logic like so: (A ^ B) Which means “If (the parenthese) Anne (A) is home, and (^) Bob is too (B).
Ann is home, and Bob is home.
Ann is home is a complete thought, A.
Bob is home is a complete though, different capital letter, B. Anytime to propositions are joined with a dot they go in parentheses. (A ^ B)
Read it as both A and B. Reading it from logic back into English. When there is a dot we read the left parenthesis as both.
Anne is home and Bob isn’t. (A ^ ~B) Read it as saying both A and not B. If it’s true that Ann is home and it’s true that Bob is home then what is the truth value that both are home. If Ann is home and Bob isn’t then saying that both are home is false. If you say they both are there and neither one is, have I told the truth? A conjunction is true if the left and right side is true, otherwise it’s false. With conjunction all you have to remEmber is that there is only one way a conjunction can be true, namely when both sides are true. If either side is false then the conjunction is false.
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On autism: the definition has been relaxed in recent years, so the ‘uptick’ in ASD is kind of wrong. This is why the anti-vaccers say ‘vaccines cause autism’, even though that study is shown to be bunk.
Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD) is “marked by extreme unresponsiveness to other people, severe communication deficits, and highly rigid and repetitive behaviors interests and activities.” (APA 2013, 2012) (Comer, 2014: 457)
Other than ‘severe communication deficits”, this describes me pretty damn well. I’m an extremely scheduled and regimented person. Every part of my day is scheduled down to when and how much I eat to all of my daily activities (giving me tons of free time). Does this mean I’m an autist? No. The definition is extremely broad now a days.
80 percent of cases are seen in boys, which I think is more interesting than any (possible) racial differences. (Comer, 2014: 457)
Possible causes for autism:
Sociocultural: Family dysfunction and social stress. Discarded.
Psychological: As you and commenters have said, they lack a theory of mind, which is an awareness that other people base their behaviors on their own beliefs, intentions, and other mental states, not on information they have no way of knowing. (Pisula 2010; Frith 2000) (Comer, 2014: 459)
Biological causes: Mostly abnormal brain development. ASD runs in families as well.
I recommend consulting the latest DSM (V just came out) for things involving abnormal psychology (as well as textbooks). Did you take abnormal psych in college?
Schizophrenia: ” 1. During a one-month period, at least two of the following symptoms are present for a significant portion of time. One or more of these systems must be a, b, or c.
(a) Delusions.
(b) Hallucinations.
(c) Disorganized speech.
(d) Grossly abnormal psychomotor behavior, including catatonia.
(e) Negative symptoms.
2. Functioning in school, work, interpersonal relations, or self-care is markedly below the level achieved prior to the onset of symptoms.
3. Continuous signs of the disturbance for at least six months, at least one month of which includes symptoms in full and active forms.” (Comer, 2014: 364)
Do you have data showing that blacks have higher rates of schizophrenia?
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I think Afrosapiens showed you were wrong, to be honest.
Always committing the same mistakes and still try to teach other people what you don’t learned.
Arguments can start with if of then but specially by BECAUSE. Too obvious to re-explain. Just throughout your stubbornness and ego sometimes and try to learn.
“I can be white IF I have Caucasian phenotype?”
” I can be white THEN I will be guilty” 😉
I can be white — personal opinion.
… BECAUSE I have Caucasian phenotype and I’m guilty.
“Always committing the same mistakes and still try to teach other people what you don’t learned.”
Not a mistake.
“Arguments can start with if of then but specially by BECAUSE. Too obvious to re-explain. Just throughout your stubbornness and ego sometimes and try to learn.”
For an argument to be sound, the premises must lead into the conclusion, they all have to be true, and the conclusion has to follow from the premises.
http://www.siue.edu/~wlarkin/teaching/PHIL213/review-1.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logic
RR,
it’s not enough you all the time quoted this [official] explanation and still continue commit this mistakes, in other words, ”argue”.
You just need prove that my arguments have false conclusion or false premises, but i thought you can’t do it.
“I think Afrosapiens showed you were wrong, to be honest.”
Indeed, various sources on the internet show that blacks have a higher prevalence of autism compared to whites and East Asians have lower. Controlling for socio-economic status and different diagnosis rate, blacks are even more likely to be autistic.
The lowest prevalence of schizophrenia is found in Western countries and Japan, the highest prevalence is in South-East Asia, Sub-Saharan Africa (the largest tropical area) and the Caribbean are somewhat below world-average, below Russia (the largest boreal area).
Anyway, the whole cold-climate theory is BS, just look at a few figures about arctic peoples of Greenland:
Greenland rape rate: 236/100,000 (highest in the world)
Greenland murder rate: between 13/100,000 and 25/100,000 from 1985 to 2010 (comparable with most of Latin America and the Caribbean, higher than most of Subsaharan Africa and other tropical regions)
http://cphpost.dk/news/greenland-has-the-highest-number-of-rapes-in-the-world.html
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26603045
I’ve seen Nunavut has the same crime profile, along with African level fertility.
PP: Can you associate careers at the extremes of the Autist-Schizo spectrum?
Anyone in the creative field would be in the schizo spectrum, where as jobs that are rote in nature are in the autistic spectrum, correct? Obssessive behavior is all about being repetitive, over and over again…that kind of thing.
Anyone in the creative field would be in the schizo spectrum, where as jobs that are rote in nature are in the autistic spectrum, correct?
Well if you truly have either disorder, you’re going to struggle in almost any career, but people who work in STEM are more likely to have children who are diagnosed as autistic. That seems to suggest a continuum, but perhaps there are confounds in the data like STEM types having kids later in life (mutation load) or being more likely to get diagnosed.
People in prole careers are more likely to have schizophrenic kids.
Not the disorder, but falling on the spectrum, qualities that are associated with the disorder. The schizo spectrum is where there is a tendency to be open to experience (a weak trait among East Asians, a very strong one among Whites), where as Autists are introverts (less prevalent among blacks and more prevalent among Asians). So there are careers with no or few boundaries and there ones that are clear cut, and those for shy types and those who enjoy the spotlight.
Mug of Pee denies there is a continuum, but if there is, I would guess the careers associated with autism are science/math/computers/statistics/mechanics etc, while the careers associated with schizophrenia would be art/sales/psychology/social work/entertainment/literature/religion etc.
But our understanding of autism and schizophrenia is very much in its infancy so I could be completely wrong.
Seems about right, and where law and finance seems to be in the middle of this spectrum, which is why these 2 fields are very functional in Western Civilization and much weaker in others. Whites seem to fall in the median between Asian autists and Schizo blacks. Whites also have the best civilizations, because there is a strong emphasis on law and finance, which keeps a society in good order.
So perhaps the Japanese have some traits resembling that of White people, because of their genetic makeup of Northeast Mongoloid mixed with Australoid. Out of all the East Asian groups, the Japanese in America are the most assimilated of White norms.
So perhaps the Japanese have some traits resembling that of White people, because of their genetic makeup of Northeast Mongoloid mixed with Australoid. Out of all the East Asian groups, the Japanese in America are the most assimilated of White norms.
If the Japanese have Australoid genes, that would indeed make them more like whites because even though the Australoid lineage is the most unrelated to Africans, many Australoids have genetically preserved the Negroid phenotype, and when you mix Mongoloid with Negroid, you get something similar to Caucasoids, because Caucasoids are in between Negroids and Mongoloids in their evolutionary development. Negroids are the oldest humans and from the warmest climate and Mongoloids are the newest humans and from the coldest climate, with Caucasoids being in between both extremes. An evolutionary missing link.
I also mentioned that the Japanese have Ainu ancestors. Some people classified the Ainu as pale Australoids who were living in a cold climate.
What do you think of the Rock – Dwayne Johnson? He seems to have Australoid, Negroid and Caucasoid.
“many Australoids have genetically preserved the Negroid phenotype”
You love reciting the same old garbage. Just to fit Rushton’s archaic three race model. Tsk Tsk. And in the blog post on penis size, you say that people deny some things and agree with other things, and? Am I supposed to be a robot and believe Rushton all the way through? I can’t find the exact citation Rushton references and your blog post with no link or table doesn’t help to sway me to believe that blacks have bigger genitalia. (Because I believe some things from people means I should believe all of them? I largely agree with Gould and Mayr on evolution, does that mean I’m an anti-hereditarian? You don’t have to agree with every thing everyone says.)
That’s an idiotic notion and you know it. I don’t have to believe everything Rushton has ever said. I don’t have to believe everything Lynn has ever said.
What do you think about Lynn’s garbage IQ data on Italians? Must mean I’m not a hereditarian and I’m denying the data, right? You’ve never addressed Lynn’s other garbage, IQ data, only the African IQ data. What do you say about his Italian IQ data?
Also please point me to a paper talking about “substantive DNA” please. I’ve never heard of it. I’ve never come across a paper showing they’re near Africans. Because they aren’t.
Do you believe that two genetically similar organisms that evolve in similar environments will then evolve pretty much exactly the same? If you say yes, you’re a fool. Because mutation, migration, genetic drift and natural selection will occur forcing different genotypic and phenotypic changes in those populations.
Why do you talk about evolution so much when you have no idea what evolution is?
Also please point me to a paper talking about “substantive DNA” please.
I’ll let you know if I find one worth reading
I’ve never come across a paper showing they’re near Africans. Because they aren’t.
they genetically PRESERVED the phenotype of Africans. many (not all) Australoid populations do:
Do you believe that two genetically similar organisms that evolve in similar environments will then evolve pretty much exactly the same? If you say yes, you’re a fool. Because mutation, migration, genetic drift and natural selection will occur forcing different genotypic and phenotypic changes in those populations.
I didn’t say they evolved to be EXACTLY the same. Are East Africans and West Africans exactly the same? No. Are they both Negroid? Yes. So you can have many different sub-types within a type. Many would even classify Bushmen and pygmies as Negroid too. Many would classify populations as different as Pakistanis and Nordics as Caucasoid, and native Americans and Northeast Asians as Mongoloid.
Why do you talk about evolution so much when you have no idea what evolution is?
No, the problem is I know TOO much about evolution which is why I can see contradictions that you can’t even understand. You apparently believe that because two different populations split tens of thousands of years ago, and thus show huge differences in their neutral DNA, they are automatically different categories. By your logic, a modern human and modern snake are more similar to each other than a modern sponge fish is to an ancient sponge fish.
Genetic distance doesn’t mean what you think it means because huge sections of the genome don’t code for phenotype, and mutations that occur in these sections serve only as a molecular clock telling us how long ago populations split, NOT HOW DIFFERENT THEY’VE BECOME!
What you don’t understand is that by your logic, no race and no species BY DEFINITION can exist for a long time, because just the act of long-term existence means time has passed on the molecular clock, and so the population has become “distant” from its former self. And yet scientists routinely speak of certain species existing for MILLIONS of years.
Do you realize that by genetic distance, late homo erectus was more similar to modern humans than it was to early homo erectus? The entire punctuated equilibrium theory you love goes out the window using your logic because genetic distance as it’s conventionally measured is always gradual. It never occurs in sudden bursts because it’s based on random mutations that occur at a predictable rate, not selected mutations that rapidly accumulate because of natural selection.
What you need to understand is that there are TWO DIFFERENT WAYS OF CATEGORIZING LIFE FORMS:
Method 1: we belong to the same category if we share relatively recent common ancestors
Method 2: we belong to the same category if we genetically preserve the phenotype of a common ancestor
Now in most cases, method 1 and method 2 will classify everyone into the same groupings, but in cases where the two methods conflict (i.e. Andaman islanders) I go with method 2, because all of our knowledge about evolutionary history is based on method 2 since most fossils are too old to test DNA, so we can only go by phenotype. Further, method 2 does not lead to as many absurdities
No, pumpkin you’re the one who doesn’t understand there are actually studies who use “substanstive dna”, this isn’t a big mystery. I have demonstrated to you multiple times the phenotypic and genotypic differences between australoids and negroids yet you continue to regurgitate the same shit every post. I have addressed most if not all of these points before but you kid of just ignore them.
it’s only “absurd” to you because you don’t comprehend it’s significance nor do you realize the subjectivity you’ve chosen with such placements.
Please show us these studies on “selected Dna” If our old classification system is so inaccurate please show us a new one or better yet, demonstrate that there is even a dichotomy in the first place because it’s quite obvious YOU are the one who is ignorant of this subject.
Again people
what make humans unique is their minds, so the evolution among us must be analysed, epicentrically speaking, starting from this point.
Based on genetic distance, people on the Australia and Papua New Guinea will be the most evolved FROM africans. It’s possible**
Maybe evolved is not the same than geographically distant.
We need to look for influence of local ancient humans who lived in that area. Maybe this genetic ”intrusion” of this people can distorted this differences. Denisovans*
just speculation as always
Me and RR completely grasp the concept you are trying to convey pumpkin. It is still irrelevant. If we break this down: neutral dna= genetic clock/chronological distance/genotype. Selected Dna= phenotype and genotypic clustering
If both australoids and negroids differ significantly on all of these traits then you dont have an empirical leg to stand on. Neither can you switch in singular preference when it conveniently suits your ideological needs. I have demonstrated the differences numerous times.
It would be better to use these two method sin conjunction and with balance LIKE WE DO ALREADY. Where animals without dna are usually grouped by phenotype and more modern animals are classed using a combination of the two. An example is chimps and bonobos which are both equally related to us by neutral dna however bonobos may have more phenotypic similarities to us. But this still doesn’t prove a higher genetic similarity because it could just be CONVERGENT evolution. A fact which you have overlooked constantly and a big flaw in the use of “selected dna”.
Your pedantic arrogance again*
RR is not knowledgeable in evolution, sorry if you think he is, and i’m not of course. He’s still confusing in the semantic department as always has been.
”suits your ideological needs”
There are two human groups:
both are quite similar in physiological and psychological traits…
This is just accept this reality.
So i have a ideological needs because i ACCEPT that this pattern exist.
You and RR already accepted that this noise (very similar groups and very genetically distant) is super normal, evident for itself…. seems.
this don’t make sense.
maybe PP and me are wrong. Maybe not.
Some people simply don’t accept this poverty of details, don’t think this official explanation is enough.
We have two human groups who are similar one each other but based on genetic distance they are the most distant from africans, those who we tend to treat as ”the basal human population”.
I’m open to the idea that you can have a quite ”phenotypically”/physiologically-psychologically different population with llitle genetic distance to their basal population.
There are some genes among Europeans that were very common in the prehistoric past and simply disappeared.
You can evolve by maintaining the integrity of your most important genes or you can evolve by replacing this genes with others via selective processes.
If a gene exists for skin color, and obviously exists, then the same gene or similar genetic variation will be found for both Aboriginal Australians and Africans. If there are genes or genetic combinations that result in smaller, less complex brains and therefore less intelligence, then these genes will be found in both groups. If there are genes for muscle capacity then these genes will be found in both groups. If Papuans and Australians have large penises then it is possible to find the same genes among Africans.
Amerindians and East Asians are not the same group and if they had continued to evolve separately it is possible that we would have an even greater genetic distance between them *
Physiological traits are important, of course, but the psychological traits are much more important and in this respect there is no doubt that there are hierarchies of this nature between humans and who are the most evolved, specifically for some very important aspects.
”[If] both australoids and negroids differ significantly on all of these traits then you dont have an empirical leg to stand on.”
Clearly it’s not the case, only a blind person can deny that this noise is interesting and need more scrutiny.
Australoid avg brains may similar to the african avg brains*
MOST part of anthropology, biology and genetics post-war was strongly affected by real ideological needs.
Yes, i can agree that old anthropology, biology or genetics also were ideologically biased and many interesting and factually correct ”things” has been found since the end of the second world war. But the salient ideological influence in all this departments has been ostensive…
tell me
race exist*
”It would be better to use these two method sin conjunction and with balance LIKE WE DO ALREADY. Where animals without dna are usually grouped by phenotype and more modern animals are classed using a combination of the two.”
I’m also ”using” this two methods.
”An example is chimps and bonobos which are both equally related to us by neutral dna however bonobos may have more phenotypic similarities to us. But this still doesn’t prove a higher genetic similarity because it could just be CONVERGENT evolution. A fact which you have overlooked constantly and a big flaw in the use of “selected dna”.”
Maybe i’m lost in the middle of this whole debate because I’m not diverging from what you’ve said in this case.
My biggest problem, and not with you, but with RR, is precisely about the nature of evolution, which RR says is not progressive, which, as is often the case with people who have internalized this point of view, tends to combine perfectly with the Their moral points of view.
RR is, like JS and Fellatiolatti, anti-northern europeans. But all of them, and especially the RR, do not want to admit it.
The theory that evolution is progressive clearly favors the Northern Europeans, aka the old anthropology or ”scientific racism”.
Summarizing
genetic distance is not the same than evolutionary distance.
Virtually all human populations tend to create genetic clusters where they are, even with tiny distance, so the most distant of all human groups will be the genetically ”distant” of all.
Seems this genetic distance is more correlated with that ”spontaneous mutations”**
again, speculate don’t kill none, 😉
RR seems really believe bacterias are not inferior than humans, in any aspect.
Based on phenotypic papuans, samoans and aboriginals are negroid, not african-negroid but still clearly negroid.
No, pumpkin you’re the one who doesn’t understand there are actually studies who use “substanstive dna”, this isn’t a big mystery.
Cite a study that clustered the races EXCLUSIVELY by substantive DNA
I have demonstrated to you multiple times the phenotypic and genotypic differences between australoids and negroids yet you continue to regurgitate the same shit every post. I have addressed most if not all of these points before but you kid of just ignore them.
You’ve cited a few phenotypic differences between Andaman islanders and some negroids, but there are also phenotypic differences between different kinds of populations that everyone agrees are negroids. You can exclude any population from any race by selecting subsets of data. You have not shown the TOTALITY of Andaman islander phenotype to be so different from African negroid phenotypes as to justify putting them in an entirely different category, and if neutral DNA had not been discovered, it probably never would have occurred to you to do so.
Please show us these studies on “selected Dna” If our old classification system is so inaccurate please show us a new one or better yet, demonstrate that there is even a dichotomy in the first place because it’s quite obvious YOU are the one who is ignorant of this subject.
No it’s my classification system that is old. I am classifying people based on how anthropologists did so before the discovery of DNA. Andaman islanders are called negritos for a reason. The first whites to discover them thought they were negroid. That should tell you something. The fact that the best forensic artist in the World looks at a skull of an early Australoid in South America and says “that to me is a Negroid face. It has all the features of a Negroid face”
See 4:28 in below video:
The discovery of DNA was a great step forward in that it allowed us to see how LONG they’ve lived outside of Africa, but the mistake people make is assuming neutral DNA measures anything but time or assuming that time in and of itself causes evolutionary change. Time CORRELATES with evolutionary change, but it does not EQUAL change. In theory, a population can exist outside Africa for a million years and still remain African, while another population can live outside Africa for only 1000 years and become non-African. Do I have proof that Andaman islanders remained African? The proof is they look African to everyone but you. They look so African that it was widely believed they were descended from survivors of a stranded ship full of African slaves.
Me and RR completely grasp the concept you are trying to convey pumpkin. It is still irrelevant. If we break this down: neutral dna= genetic clock/chronological distance/genotype. Selected Dna= phenotype and genotypic clustering
neutral DNA = chronological distance (how long ago two populations split)
selected DNA = heritable phenotype distance
If both australoids and negroids differ significantly on all of these traits then you dont have an empirical leg to stand on.
If people thought Andaman islanders looked so negroid they named them negritos and thought they were descendants of an African slave shipwreck, and if proto-Australoids had “all the features of a negroid face” as claimed by the World’s best forensic artist, then certain Australoid populations are clearly morphologically Negroid, or at least should be assumed to be so until proven otherwise.
It would be better to use these two method sin conjunction and with balance LIKE WE DO ALREADY. Where animals without dna are usually grouped by phenotype and more modern animals are classed using a combination of the two.
No, you can’t just combine the two, because combining two different classification systems creates a new one that is completely meaningless. You have to choose which one you want to use and apply it consistently.
An example is chimps and bonobos which are both equally related to us by neutral dna however bonobos may have more phenotypic similarities to us. But this still doesn’t prove a higher genetic similarity because it could just be CONVERGENT evolution. A fact which you have overlooked constantly and a big flaw in the use of “selected dna”.
I haven’t overlooked convergent evolution, I’ve just dismissed it as less likely than the mutual preservation of a shared ancestral phenotype. In science you don’t always have the luxury of knowing everything so you have to make a tentative conclusion.
For example, scientists believe language has existed in the homo genus since before the time that modern humans and Neanderthals diverged. How do they know? Because both modern humans and Neanderthals share the same variant of the Fox P gene. You could always argue that it evolved independently in both groups very recently, but the odds of the same thing evolving twice independently around the same time is less than both being derived from a single ancient source; hence convergent evolution is typically the weaker hypothesis.
Also pp, please check out Lynn’s Italian IQ data. Tell me if you think I’m trying to protect my genetic interests. Tell me if you think Lynn’s garbage data is right.
https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2016/01/31/northsouth-differences-in-italian-iq-is-richard-lynn-right/
https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2016/11/03/northsouth-differences-in-italian-iq-is-richard-lynn-right-part-ii/
He uses PISA data for IQ data and, as I’ve shown, PISA is an achievement test, not a test of intelligence.
What do you have to say to Lynn’s garbage Italian IQ data?
I’d like to see a post from you on Italian IQ. I want to know if you think Lynn is right or wrong. Do you think I’m right or wrong, PP?
RR,
i agree with you IF still there are many unknown tons about this subject but you are clearly biased.
And i already told you that there are many very relevant aspects that weren’t analysed in the study you posted in your blog.
Lynn simply follows the stereotypical patterns
blacks shows a predominance of behaviors and skills that agrees with popular and old stereotypes about ”them”, as a group,
the same for east asians, indians, etc
The popular stereotype about Italy is
northern italians tend to be different than other italians, specially on the south,
northern italians look more polite, less extroverted, more smart than southern italians.
I’m open to change my point of views but i want analyse it better than choice a position by now, even i already have a position.
In USA seems italian-descendents are well succesfull. In Germany the pattern seems to be other.
Santo — I have dealt with Northern and Southern Italian booksellers. Northern Italians are generally smarter, more sophisticated in transacting the business, more engaging. I always receive books from them without any issues. They understand that you ship books in a package with secure materials, preventing the book from damage. Southern Italians a quite number of them, just send the books in a wrapper, no protection, and sometimes arrives damaged from shipment. So yes, such subtlety comes from intelligence.
The disparity between Northern and Southern Italy is noticeable among their city residents, ie..Milan vs Naples. In Spain, the difference between a city like Barcelona and an Andalusian Southern city is not as great. Part of the reason has been a constant in and out flow exchange between northern and southern populations. Other than that, economic development is more uniform in Spain than in Italy.
In NY, people from northern New York are very different from New York City residents, in both dress and manners. Northern New York, the people are generally poorer and the cities are less economically developed.
Holy shit Santo. That has to be the best worded comment I’ve seen you write. Good job man.
Santo.
“RR is not knowledgeable in evolution, sorry if you think he is, and i’m not of course. He’s still confusing in the semantic department as always has been.”
I read books by evolutionary biologists and evolutionists. I damn well know what evolution actually is.
It’s not progressive. Natural selection is local adaptation. Not progress. Progress can then be said to show that evolution is teleological. But how can selection process that’s repeated a new every generation be teleological (goal directed)?
I’m pretty damn knowledgeable in evolution and how it works. I’ve actually read on the origin of species and am going to read Darwins book on sexual selection soon. PP should read Darwin and other Darwinists. He’d have a whole different view on evolutionary theory if he were to read “Full House” and “Wonderful Life” by Stephen Jay Gould.
If our ancestor in the Burgess Shale would have went extinct, we wouldn’t be here right now. Survival during a mass extinction is strongly predicated on chance.
If we rewound the tape of life all the way to the beginning, the same things would not arise. That’s because evolution is not a linear process.
I more than understand evolution. It’s PP who doesn’t.
RR, progress in evolution doesn’t mean it would all happen again the exact same way.
Santo, is right. You’re just a dumb Guido who doesn’t understand evolution.
I scored 1590 out of 1600 on the pre-1995 SAT equating to an IQ of 171.
You took the newer dumbed down SAT and only scored 600 out of 2400, equating to an IQ below 70.
You’re literally 100 IQ points dumber than me and it’s because of your Southern Italian genes.
”I read books by evolutionary biologists and evolutionists. I damn well know what evolution actually is.”
Stop to use ‘damn’, look prole and stupid, you are the only one here who use this expression/whatever all the time.
No.
You can read the entire Alexandria library… The most important is the factual understanding.
So many people eat 50 books per year and this doesn’t mean they become more knowleadeable.
Every book with 100 or more, or less pages can be summarized in synthetic topics.
”It’s not progressive. Natural selection is local adaptation. Not progress. Progress can then be said to show that evolution is teleological. But how can selection process that’s repeated a new every generation be teleological (goal directed)?”
All the time you are playing wrong way with the words.
”natural selection is local adaptation”
dur.
”Not progress. Progress can then be said to show that evolution is teleological’1
One thing don’t cancel other, false dichotomy detected.
Progress MEAN
you have a orangotangus brain and you have a human brain, le fin!
”But how can selection process that’s repeated a new every generation be teleological (goal directed)”
Is ”pseudo-teleological” because when you are walking to the certain path, generally you can’t change or come back IN CONSCIOUS WAY.
Subconsciousness prevalence among almost of living beings, even among humans, explain why natural selection is not teleological but pseudo-teleological or subconsciously stubborn.
but you’re a prostitute on the streets of New York.
You may make good money but the pitfalls to that are that you’ve been raped before in the course of your work.
RR is a personal trainer and has a moderately successful Science Blog.
Shows IQ isn’t everything 🙂
I’m pretty damn knowledgeable in evolution and how it works.”
” I’ve actually read on the origin of species and am going to read Darwins book on sexual selection soon. PP should read Darwin and other Darwinists. He’d have a whole different view on evolutionary theory if he were to read “Full House” and “Wonderful Life” by Stephen Jay Gould.”
I’m very suspect regards Jay-z Gouldie.
”If our ancestor in the Burgess Shale would have went extinct, we wouldn’t be here right now. Survival during a mass extinction is strongly predicated on chance.”
And**
”If we rewound the tape of life all the way to the beginning, the same things would not arise. That’s because evolution is not a linear process.”
Nothing it prove your points.
Contrastating species prove progress, regress, stagnation and so on about evolution.
If you remember well i already told you that i agree evolution is not completely linear and linear is not the same than progressive.
”I more than understand evolution. It’s PP who doesn’t.”
Just because he or she have different point of views about it doesn’t mean s’he don’t know nothing about evolution. The basic of basic everyone here know.
”you’ve been raped before in the course of your work.”
but but but she can pay a plastic surgery and reconstruct their hymen, period.
“You have not shown the TOTALITY of Andaman islander phenotype to be so different from African negroid phenotypes as to justify putting them in an entirely different category, and if neutral DNA had not been discovered, it probably never would have occurred to you to do so. The fact that the best forensic artist in the World looks at a skull of an early Australoid in South America and says “that to me is a Negroid face. It has all the features of a Negroid face”
Well no shit, as your methodological knowledge increases so should your application of it.
I’m sorry but I don’t think that man is a biologist so I don’t expect him to understand why that skull is NOT negroid in phenotype. Instead I think you have stumbled on something more interesting. It may be a hybrid or transition specimen of early australoid/mongoloid visitors to the americas. It’s far too neotenous to be completely australoid the high cheeks bones and spherical head point to mongoloid phenotype and actually resemble what you’d expect of native american cranial morphology. Also, i have already explained to you the subjectivity of forensic facial construction. How did he even know the person had brown skin? Or the thickness of the lips?
“The proof is they look African to everyone but you. They look so African that it was widely believed they were descended from survivors of a stranded ship full of African slaves.”
Of course I’d expect, a group of pre- industrialized sailors to go “oh look guys, negroes!” Cmon pumpkin Anecdotal evidence is fallacious, you should know better. Interestingly enough you seem to only post 2 or 3 of the same damn pictures when describing australoids. Any quick image search in google for austrailian aboriginees and you can see that that are far more primitive , higher levels of pragnathism, different dental structures, different heights, wavy hair, they even have beards.
“neutral DNA = chronological distance (how long ago two populations split)
selected DNA = heritable phenotype distance”
Basically what I just said.
“No, you can’t just combine the two, because combining two different classification systems creates a new one that is completely meaningless. You have to choose which one you want to use and apply it consistently.I haven’t overlooked convergent evolution, I’ve just dismissed it as less likely than the mutual preservation of a shared ancestral phenotype. ”
That’s retarded. You’re supposed to constantly refine methodological practices. Neutral Dna has been used as the main method because genetic drift has been the main driver of all evolution. What you are suggesting is something akin to phenetics, it has it’s host of problems. One being it’s failure to recognize Symplesiomorphic traits, which you have seemed to falsely dichotomized with convergent evolution, when one is simply an extension of the other. If a bunch of chinese moved to africa, became genetically isolated and in a few thousand years gained dark skin, big noses and thick lips, are they suddenly more related to africans than they are to the japanese? Of course not! Phenotype is an expression of genotype and not the genes themselves. Two organism can have the same genotype but different phenotypes and vice versa.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenetics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symplesiomorphy
“Cite a study that clustered the races EXCLUSIVELY by substantive DNA”
I do not have such a study,… at least for between the races. I have one that measured phenotypic characteristics between archaic populations if that’ll suit your needs.
”Of course I’d expect, a group of pre- industrialized sailors to go “oh look guys, negroes!” Cmon pumpkin Anecdotal evidence is fallacious, you should know better.”
But they look negroes, well, they are dark-skinned, at least.
” Interestingly enough you seem to only post 2 or 3 of the same damn pictures when describing australoids. Any quick image search in google for austrailian aboriginees and you can see that that are far more primitive , higher levels of pragnathism, different dental structures, different heights, wavy hair, they even have beards.”
There are ”primitive’-looking african blacks too.
RR,
i win again!!!!
blacks are, on avg, stronger than whites, LOL
“There are ”primitive’-looking african blacks too. blacks are, on avg, stronger than whites, LOL”
That’s not primitive that’s just buff.
No, whites are stronger but blacks have more testosterone and lower IQ’s which allow them to be over represented in masculine feats however it the most extreme comparison east asians and whites have more upper body strength because of their shape. Within the average though and in an industrialized society blacks will be shorter and more obese. the selection pressures are different.
”Within the average though and in an industrialized society blacks will be shorter and more obese. ”
But you already said blacks tend to have the ”same” avg stature than whites…. in US.
”That’s not primitive that’s just buff.”
ok,ok.
”No, whites are stronger but blacks have more testosterone and lower IQ’s which allow them to be over represented in masculine feats however it the most extreme comparison east asians and whites have more upper body strength because of their shape”
I think avg whites are not stronger than blacks.
“But you already said blacks tend to have the ”same” avg stature than whites…. in US.”
There’s like a .2 of an inch difference.
I don’t use this type of measurement.
You said it, do you remember*
Ya I remember I was just generalizing. There is a .7 of a centimeter difference.
To Pumpkinperson regarding racial classification,
Alright, I’ve already went into the significance of “Junk DNA” so I won’t repeat myself.
However, just to make something clear.
1. If you are to appeal to taxonomy, then do it right. Racial categories didn’t start with looking at DNA, prior the most advance phenotypical model was Carleton S Coon’s Five Race Model, Australoids in their representative separate from African Blacks (negroids) along Capoids (Bushman) .
Your mistake? Making African in genetic studies synomynous with “negroid”. If you had to appeal to “selective DNA” through taxonomy, the refutes your point on
2. By Taxonomy, ALL of the traits of modern negroids only appeared since the Neolithic with Skeletal remains *in total features* of excavation not being comparable to Modern Black, That actually mattering more than the noted subjective reconstructions.
3. Nicholas Wade commented that Andaman Islanders were specifically compared to Pygmies, saying their specific resemblances to occur from independent evolution.
https://books.google.com/books?id=ZMDMnUn00DUC&pg=PT86&lpg=PT86&dq=steatopygia+nicholas+wade&source=bl&ots=_ZDfzFKVZl&sig=HWrxVmlJrdoRNiEyekqRUrWuLaY&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiN8s3yidTQAhVqy1QKHfuwDTwQ6AEIQDAK#v=onepage&q=steatopygia%20nicholas%20wade&f=false
However he does that that their skin and other features are derived from Africans, but he also includes other Australoids who we see are not as clearly African even by indepth taxonomic standards, so their exceptional appearances all together should be classed with independent traits as well.
With Australoid, coon actually compared their faces in due to their angularity with Caucasians.
http://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/topic/4086224/1/
“Caucasoid faces are molded in the highest relief, with narrow, prominent noses, deep eye sockets, and hollow cheeks. This extreme model tapers off into more rounded features. Australoids’ faces resemble Caucasoids’ on a heavier frame, while Negroids’ faces are less angular. ”
4. Lets think, their lineage would group them as being from EAST africa yet their phenotype is said to be of Central Africa *at general glance*.
This skull is consider representative of OOA populations before specialization. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hofmeyr_Skull
Click to access Grine_et_al_2007.pdf
And this Chart of This study has it being closer Eurasians than Modern Africans.
So yeah, convergent evolution.
PP,
“I’ll let you know if I find one worth reading”
So have you found one, and is it not worth reading?
“they genetically PRESERVED the phenotype of Africans. many (not all) Australoid populations do:”
LOL man. You really don’t understand evolution.
is
What does the above quote tell you, PP?
You LOVE that picture, as if it proves your point.
“I didn’t say they evolved to be EXACTLY the same. Are East Africans and West Africans exactly the same? No. Are they both Negroid? Yes. So you can have many different sub-types within a type. Many would even classify Bushmen and pygmies as Negroid too. Many would classify populations as different as Pakistanis and Nordics as Caucasoid, and native Americans and Northeast Asians as Mongoloid.”
Reading comprehension. I simply asked you a question, I didn’t say you believed that.
Pakis and Nords are two distinct types. Pakis are ‘Caucasoid’ for the fact that they share ancient Siberian ancestry with Europeans and MENA people. ‘Natives’ and Asians are genetically distinct, due to no gene flow between ‘Natives’ and other populations they have their own distinct genetic clade. Don’t give me that ‘substantive phenotypic DNA’ crap either. Please cite a study using that wording.
“No, the problem is I know TOO much about evolution which is why I can see contradictions that you can’t even understand.”
I literally haven’t laughed this hard in a while. Thank you for that. Next time you say something as funny as this, give me a bolded warning above it, thank you.
I DO understand your views on evolution. They’re largely wrong. You don’t understand where I’m coming from on morphology, no breeding between two populations denotes speciation (as discovered by Mayr), you believe evolution is ‘progress’. You have a rudimentary understanding of evolution. It’s plain as day.
Tell me, PP, how many of Darwin’s books have you read?
“You apparently believe that because two different populations split tens of thousands of years ago, and thus show huge differences in their neutral DNA, they are automatically different categories.”
Pretty much. Abos and Africans are the two most genetically distinct peoples! A few wolves branch off 100kya. They go to the same climates that the modern day racial groups were in (counting FIVE RACIAL GROUPS). One stayed in Africa (I’m not even going to get into all of the back migrations, population mixing and all that intricate stuff), the other goes to Europe, the other to the Pacific Island, the other to North East Asia and the last to North and South America (including the Arctic). All of the branches change in phenotype in comparison to the parent population of wolves in Africa. But the one population of wolves in the Pacific ‘holds onto the same phenotypic traits of the parent population in Africa’ with ‘minor changes’. Would the wolf population in the Pacific not be classified as a different species? (We’re obviously ignoring the fact that humans are the same species and can interbreed.)
“By your logic, a modern human and modern snake are more similar to each other than a modern sponge fish is to an ancient sponge fish.”
You don’t know basic logic, I do. Falsifiy my argument.
If Africans and Aborigines were the same race, they would then show close proximity to each other on PCA graphs.
Africans and Aborigines don’t show close proximity to each other on PCA graphs.
Therefore, Africans and Aborigines are not the same race.
Simple argument. That’s how you make an argument. Give me your argument for this:
“Then in 2014 and 2015, Pumpkin Person argued that the autism schizophrenia continuum was part of Rushton’s r-K evolutionary continuum, where r populations are those that evolved high reproduction rates, low survival rates, and K populations evolved low reproduction rates and high survival rates.”
“Genetic distance doesn’t mean what you think it means because huge sections of the genome don’t code for phenotype, and mutations that occur in these sections serve only as a molecular clock telling us how long ago populations split, NOT HOW DIFFERENT THEY’VE BECOME!”
Genetic distance means what I think it means. I just showed that even when species speciate, they can share similar morphology. SPECIATION (racial classification in this sense, your ‘argument’ doesn’t make sense with modern humans) IS NOT BASED ON MORPHOLOGY. Though, species that speciated can’t breed and humans can. That’s why what you’re saying makes no sense.
“because it’s based on random mutations that occur at a predictable rate”
Natural selection, mutation, genetic drift and migration is not ‘predictable’. That is what drives evolutionary change. Those four processes of evolutionary change are not ‘predictable’. The fact that you’re saying it’s ‘predictable’ shows me that you don’t understand evolution. Are you going to start spouting Lamarckian-like views next?
“Method 2: we belong to the same category if we genetically preserve the phenotype of a common ancestor”
I categorize people on genotype, not phenotype. If an Australoid or Melanesian goes for a genome test, will they be African or not?
Your genetics argument doesn’t apply to modern humans.
With your logic, African and Indian elephants, crocodiles and alligators, turtles and tortoises, and cheethas and leaopards are the same species.
“Now in most cases, method 1 and method 2 will classify everyone into the same groupings, but in cases where the two methods conflict (i.e. Andaman islanders) I go with method 2, because all of our knowledge about evolutionary history is based on method 2 since most fossils are too old to test DNA, so we can only go by phenotype. Further, method 2 does not lead to as many absurdities”
What kind of absurdities? You mean these actual constructs we shoehorn people in to? there are five major races, and by you saying that Pacific populations are African ‘based on phenotype’, you’re treating race as a social construct in the same way that liberals do. Good job.
By the way, are the Kalash ‘Nordic’ because they have a Nordic phenotype?
You literally have no idea that you push Nordicist and Afrocentrist ‘theories’. The phenotypes we racially code are recent. That’s what you don’t understand:
http://www.unz.com/gnxp/our-magnificent-bastard-race/
You’re pushing outdated nonsense.
So are the Kalash ‘Nordic’, or even ‘European’?
Pakis and Nords are two distinct types. Pakis are ‘Caucasoid’ for the fact that they share ancient Siberian ancestry with Europeans and MENA people. ‘Natives’ and Asians are genetically distinct
The term “genetically distant” is meaningless unless you specify whether you’re talking about neutral DNA or selected DNA, and if you lump both together, it’s even more meaningless.
I DO understand your views on evolution. They’re largely wrong. You don’t understand where I’m coming from on morphology, no breeding between two populations denotes speciation (as discovered by Mayr),
That’s a completely arbitrary definition that almost nobody in anthropology uses anymore
you believe evolution is ‘progress’.
I believe evolution is progressive, and there hasn’t been a scientist of any repute who believed anything else in the last 100 years.
“You apparently believe that because two different populations split tens of thousands of years ago, and thus show huge differences in their neutral DNA, they are automatically different categories.”
Pretty much. Abos and Africans are the two most genetically distinct peoples!
Genetic distance proved Abos and Africans have been separated for a very long time, and then you use that very genetic distance as proof that separated peoples are different. Circular logic.
A few wolves branch off 100kya. They go to the same climates that the modern day racial groups were in (counting FIVE RACIAL GROUPS). One stayed in Africa (I’m not even going to get into all of the back migrations, population mixing and all that intricate stuff), the other goes to Europe, the other to the Pacific Island, the other to North East Asia and the last to North and South America (including the Arctic). All of the branches change in phenotype in comparison to the parent population of wolves in Africa. But the one population of wolves in the Pacific ‘holds onto the same phenotypic traits of the parent population in Africa’ with ‘minor changes’. Would the wolf population in the Pacific not be classified as a different species? (We’re obviously ignoring the fact that humans are the same species and can interbreed.)
No it would not. And in fact something similar happened to homo erectus. It left Africa about 1.6 million years ago and remained Homo erectus in Asia for about a million years. Time correlates with evolutionary change but it does not EQUAL evolutionary change. Your hero Gould understood this. That’s why his punctuated equilibrium model argued no evolution occurred for long stretches of time and then massive change occurred in very little time.
If Africans and Aborigines were the same race, they would then show close proximity to each other on PCA graphs.
The PCA graphs are meaningless if they’re based largely on neutral DNA. Neutral DNA is used to measure divergence time and nothing else. That’s what you don’t get. And I’m not necessarily saying Aborigines in particular are the same race as Negroids, but some “Australoid” types, particularly Andaman islanders, strongly appear to be.
Genetic distance means what I think it means. I just showed that even when species speciate, they can share similar morphology. SPECIATION (racial classification in this sense, your ‘argument’ doesn’t make sense with modern humans) IS NOT BASED ON MORPHOLOGY. Though, species that speciated can’t breed and humans can. That’s why what you’re saying makes no sense.
No it’s why your definition of species makes no sense. When scientists decided humans and Neanderthals were different species they based it on morphology because they had no idea whether they could interbreed. We now know that the breeding barrier is a lot weaker than ever thought, so invoking your definition means virtually every primate to ever live needs to reclassified. Perhaps the breeding barrier could define a higher level of taxonomy like genus, but it doesn’t work for species as the term is currently used.
“because it’s based on random mutations that occur at a predictable rate”
Natural selection, mutation, genetic drift and migration is not ‘predictable’. That is what drives evolutionary change. Those four processes of evolutionary change are not ‘predictable’.
That’s precisely the point! Evolution is NOT predictable, but we need predictable measures of genetic differentiation if we want to know how long ago two populations split. Thus we use NEUTRAL DNA which by definition, is not involved in evolutionary change because it doesn’t code for anything that was SELECTED for. It thus chnges at a constant rate (i.e. once per thousand years). So if two populations differ by say 70 mutations on neutral DNA, we can say they separated 70,000 years ago. Get it?
We deliberately don’t use SELECTED DNA, because that’s the DNA that changes during evolution, and as you said, evolution is not predictable, so you might get populations differing by 100 mutations in just 1000 years if those mutations are selected, or you might get them differing by only five mutations in a thousand years if they’re less selected. We thus can’t use genetic differences in selected DNA to infer divergence times, because the rate of said differentiation is not predictable.
But the very thing that makes neutral DNA so predictable for telling divergence times, also makes it useless for measuring evolutionary change.
I’m very concerned that you don’t understand this.
PP,
“Cite a study that clustered the races EXCLUSIVELY by substantive DNA”
Show me a study talking about ‘substantive DNA’.
“You have not shown the TOTALITY of Andaman islander phenotype to be so different from African negroid phenotypes as to justify putting them in an entirely different category, and if neutral DNA had not been discovered, it probably never would have occurred to you to do so.”
“People believed certain things before we had modern-day technology to show us otherwise. They were right.” Makes sense. Genotype matters for our arbitrary classification scheme.
“No it’s my classification system that is old. I am classifying people based on how anthropologists did so before the discovery of DNA. Andaman islanders are called negritos for a reason. The first whites to discover them thought they were negroid. That should tell you something. The fact that the best forensic artist in the World looks at a skull of an early Australoid in South America and says “that to me is a Negroid face. It has all the features of a Negroid face””
How many times do you need to be shown that forensic anthropologists’ lip and skin reconstructions are guesses? They aren’t even accurate. You’ve been shown this countless times. The first whites who discovered them believed they were Negros. Therefore, they were Negros. Great argument. At least it’s sound. But it’s factually wrong with the information we have today. Should I believe the Earth is flat? Yea!! NASA? Pfft. The people who believed the Earth was flat in antiquity were so much smarter and knowledgeable about the Earth than we are.
“Time CORRELATES with evolutionary change, but it does not EQUAL change. In theory, a population can exist outside Africa for a million years and still remain African, while another population can live outside Africa for only 1000 years and become non-African. Do I have proof that Andaman islanders remained African? The proof is they look African to everyone but you. They look so African that it was widely believed they were descended from survivors of a stranded ship full of African slaves.”
Just because they were in similar environments DOESN’T MEAN they are the same race. Show me ONE STUDY FROM THE MODERN DAY that they are Negroid.
Again with the “People hundreds of years ago who first saw them thought they were African, therefore they’re African.” Garbage.
“selected DNA = heritable phenotype distance”
Show me a study talking about this, I’ve never heard of it.
“if proto-Australoids had “all the features of a negroid face” as claimed by the World’s best forensic artist, then certain Australoid populations are clearly morphologically Negroid, or at least should be assumed to be so until proven otherwise.”
Proto-Europeans looked Negroid. Therefore Europeans are Negroid. Hahaha.
Australoids aren’t Negroid. For the trillionth time, tell Razib Khan you think they are Negroid. Show me his reply.
http://monthlyreview.org/2011/02/01/stephen-jay-goulds-critique-of-progress/”
“For example, scientists believe language has existed in the homo genus since before the time that modern humans and Neanderthals diverged. How do they know? Because both modern humans and Neanderthals share the same variant of the Fox P gene. You could always argue that it evolved independently in both groups very recently, but the odds of the same thing evolving twice independently around the same time is less than both being derived from a single ancient source; hence convergent evolution is typically the weaker hypothesis.”
Because we share the same common ancestor.
What do you really know about human evolution and evolution as a whole beyond what Rushton says?
Marsha,
“RR, progress in evolution doesn’t mean it would all happen again the exact same way.”
Excuse me. I forgot to edit that.
“Santo, is right. You’re just a dumb Guido who doesn’t understand evolution.”
Thanks. I do understand evolution though.
“I scored 1590 out of 1600 on the pre-1995 SAT equating to an IQ of 171.
You took the newer dumbed down SAT and only scored 600 out of 2400, equating to an IQ below 70.”
I’m retarded……? Wow. I fix furniture, am a nutrition consultant and personal trainer. I’m doing pretty damn well for a retard, wouldn’t you say?
Or maybe I didn’t learn the material at all because I went to a school full of blacks and they gave me dumbed down 5th-grade work.
“You’re literally 100 IQ points dumber than me and it’s because of your Southern Italian genes.”
I’m literally retarded yet pretty successful in life. My pediatrician didn’t catch my ineptitudes I guess. Thank you for this revelation.
Santo,
“i agree with you IF still there are many unknown tons about this subject but you are clearly biased.”
I used to believe Lynn. Reading into it further, I changed my view. That’s what happens when you come upon new information. You assess your old view. I think me changing my view on it is the opposite of bias.
And everyone is biased, it’s impossible not to be.
“And i already told you that there are many very relevant aspects that weren’t analysed in the study you posted in your blog.”
Such as?
“The popular stereotype about Italy is
northern italians tend to be different than other italians, specially on the south,
northern italians look more polite, less extroverted, more smart than southern italians.
I’m open to change my point of views but i want analyse it better than choice a position by now, even i already have a position.
In USA seems italian-descendents are well succesfull. In Germany the pattern seems to be other.”
Italians do great in America. I’ve cited relevant studies, directly that have directly rebutted Lynn on the matter. I’m open to being wrong, of course. But on RPM, S. Italians score the same, sometimes lower, and sometimes higher than N. Italians. What’s that tell you?
Santo,
“You can read the entire Alexandria library… The most important is the factual understanding.”
I understand evolution, test me.
“Is ”pseudo-teleological” because when you are walking to the certain path, generally you can’t change or come back IN CONSCIOUS WAY.”
Organisms become less ‘complex’ all the time.
“I’m very suspect regards Jay-z Gouldie.”
Why? Read some of his books and articles on evolution and get back to me then. I used to be until I really sat down and read his books and looked into his work on evolutionary theory.
“Just because he or she have different point of views about it doesn’t mean s’he don’t know nothing about evolution. The basic of basic everyone here know.”
Doesn’t work that way. There are facts about evolution and there are misconceptions. PP has tons of misconceptions.
https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2016/10/25/misconceptions-on-evolutionary-trees-and-more-on-evolutionary-progress/
“blacks are, on avg, stronger than whites, LOL
I think avg whites are not stronger than blacks.”
I know for a fact that whites are stronger than blacks.
https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2016/10/19/blacks-are-not-stronger-than-whites/
https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2016/08/17/muscle-fiber-typing-hbd-and-sports/
You don’t understand human physiology, so please don’t speak about it.
I’m glad PP at least stopped pushing the myth that ‘blacks are stronger than whites’ though. About time.
“RR seems really believe bacterias are not inferior than humans, in any aspect.
Santo, Bacteria are the mode. Bacteria rules the Earth.
http://www.stephenjaygould.org/library/gould_bacteria.html
You keep using that word ‘inferior’ when comparing two organisms.
https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2016/08/15/the-concept-of-more-evolved-reply-to-pumpkin-person/
To Pumpkinperson regarding racial classification,
Alright, I’ve already went into the significance of “Junk DNA” so I won’t repeat myself.
I don’t think I caught what you said the first time.
1. If you are to appeal to taxonomy, then do it right. Racial categories didn’t start with looking at DNA, prior the most advance phenotypical model was Carleton S Coon’s Five Race Model, Australoids in their representative separate from African Blacks (negroids) along Capoids (Bushman) .
Historically Capoids and sometimes Australoids were included in the Negroid race, so to avoid confusion, Coon largely avoided the term Negroid altogether. Note how there’s no Negroid race in Coon’s five race taxonomy:
And Coon’s was just one racial classification out of many. It may have been the most sophisticated of the pre-DNA era, but it was still largely arbitrary.
Your mistake? Making African in genetic studies synomynous with “negroid”.
But I don’t do that. I argue that Andaman islanders are negroid, even though genetic studies don’t show it (because genetic studies favour neutral DNA, because they’re interested in splitting dates, not morphology)
2. By Taxonomy, ALL of the traits of modern negroids only appeared since the Neolithic with Skeletal remains *in total features* of excavation not being comparable to Modern Black,
Citation? And where do you draw the line between modern blacks and archaic blacks, and who says archaic blacks are not blacks? It goes back to the lumper vs splitter debate that has long plagued anthropology.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lumpers_and_splitters
That actually mattering more than the noted subjective reconstructions
reconstructions are only partly subjective. A top forensic anthropologist may guess about a lot of specific details, but they know a negroid skull when they see one since identifying the race of a skull is a major part of police work.
3. Nicholas Wade commented that Andaman Islanders were specifically compared to Pygmies, saying their specific resemblances to occur from independent evolution.
https://books.google.com/books?id=ZMDMnUn00DUC&pg=PT86&lpg=PT86&dq=steatopygia+nicholas+wade&source=bl&ots=_ZDfzFKVZl&sig=HWrxVmlJrdoRNiEyekqRUrWuLaY&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiN8s3yidTQAhVqy1QKHfuwDTwQ6AEIQDAK#v=onepage&q=steatopygia%20nicholas%20wade&f=false
However he does that that their skin and other features are derived from Africans, but he also includes other Australoids who we see are not as clearly African even by indepth taxonomic standards, so their exceptional appearances all together should be classed with independent traits as well.
The fact that they are as short as pygmies is probably convergent evolution, however the fact that they look as Negroid is pygmies is probably because they both preserved the same ancestral African phenotype and the reason they were able to preserve it is they’re a small population that quickly became very isolated on the Andaman islands.
By contrast Australian aboriginals had to travel all the way to Australia before becoming isolated, and they lived on a land mass that allowed a much larger population (and thus more phenotypic mutations)
With Australoid, coon actually compared their faces in due to their angularity with Caucasians.
http://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/topic/4086224/1/
“Caucasoid faces are molded in the highest relief, with narrow, prominent noses, deep eye sockets, and hollow cheeks. This extreme model tapers off into more rounded features. Australoids’ faces resemble Caucasoids’ on a heavier frame, while Negroids’ faces are less angular. ”
I assume he’s talking about Australian aboriginals, not Andaman islanders. There is an interesting theory that the former are actually archaic Caucasoids. I’m open minded to that theory too.
1. Regard your notes on Coon His was of mainly model BIt even then peoplev decided to split Bushmen from “regular blacks”.
“Historically Capoids and sometimes Australoids were included in the Negroid race, so to avoid confusion, Coon largely avoided the term Negroid altogether. Note how there’s no Negroid race in Coon’s five race taxonomy:”
Coon’s “congoid” if you do research was his new term for negroid which he interchanged in his work, just that his excluded Bushmen which he (and others) called Capoid. Read John Baker’s Race to get really observation and justification regarding “Sanids”.
Also “historically” Australoids as a Macro race already splitted.
And you are not seeing my point with Coons as his was the most developed to go of by and Jensen himself noticed his model lining up with Dna clusters.
“But I don’t do that. I argue that Andaman islanders are negroid, even though genetic studies don’t show it (because genetic studies favour neutral DNA, because they’re interested in splitting dates, not morphology)”
I’ve mention more about that in my original post and her as well.
https://pumpkinperson.com/2016/08/15/the-concept-of-more-evolved/#comment-31669
“But I don’t do that. I argue that Andaman islanders are negroid, even though genetic studies don’t show it (because genetic studies favour neutral DNA, because they’re interested in splitting dates, not morphology)”
Yes you did regarding bushman, which indepth taxonomy disagree with you if you read Coon or Baker.
“The fact that they are as short as pygmies is probably convergent evolution, however the fact that they look as Negroid is pygmies is probably because they both preserved the same ancestral African phenotype and the reason they were able to preserve it is they’re a small population that quickly became very isolated on the Andaman islands. By contrast Australian aboriginals had to travel all the way to Australia before becoming isolated, and they lived on a land mass that allowed a much larger population (and thus more phenotypic mutations)”
See my point on the affiliations of the “basal look” regarding the Hofymer skull.
“I assume he’s talking about Australian aboriginals, not Andaman islanders. There is an interesting theory that the former are actually archaic Caucasoids. I’m open minded to that theory too.”
Yet Your argument is to include Australoids in general, not just Andaman Islanders in terms of an anthropological relation to Negroid indepth is exceptional.
Regarding Your question on “Modern Blacks”, here.
http://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/topic/5368297/1/
Asselsar is earliest one so far to represent modern Negroid traits, as in in total traits of modern Blacks.
Iwo Eleru is considered “Negroid” given it traits and geographical location, however it’s closest matches in Principal Comnponents weren’t modern population but ones of the past.
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0024024
Which then goes on to my next point.
Forensic Scientist would expected to gives his notes because they were within a basic three race model to classify traits of common population to come across in police investigation, that excluding the bulk of Australoids will be excluded.
Click to access Sauer-1992-Forensic-Anthropology-Race-Concept-1.pdf
Notice the differing conclusions between that skull you were referring to between that anthropologist Neves and Neave in terms of specificness
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luzia_Woman#Phenotypical_analysis
And guess what? The latest word found them been shown to have close to a modern population craniometrically, this being them.
https://www.google.com/search?q=Aimore+people&rlz=1CAACAJ_enUS665US665&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiAgN61udXQAhWFilQKHfd3DP8Q_AUICCgB&biw=1366&bih=655#imgrc=AhqcTaEdtACKSM%3A
”By the way, are the Kalash ‘Nordic’ because they have a Nordic phenotype?”
Do you have this answer*
To Pumpkin,
Historical disambiguation of Australoids.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australoid_race
”RR, progress in evolution doesn’t mean it would all happen again the exact same way.”
He to cling to these vanquished arguments because he has no others.
”Santo, Bacteria are the mode. Bacteria rules the Earth.”
Only because YOU want, 😉
Bacteria is to the slave as well human is to the ‘master’.
Stupid DON’T KNOW he is stupid
BUT THE BEST
he don’t know HOW, WHERE he is stupid….
You still don’t understand when you say
BACTERIAS RULE THE WORLD
you are want to saying
BACTERIAS ARE SUPERIOR than humans…
,,,great mind,,,
Personal trainer look retarded for me, edible, but retarded,;)
”I used to believe Lynn. Reading into it further, I changed my view. That’s what happens when you come upon new information. You assess your old view. I think me changing my view on it is the opposite of bias.
And everyone is biased, it’s impossible not to be.”
If everyone is biased you will be too…
No.
You used to believe in Lynn, but… as you are italian-descendent (as me) and southern-italian you STARTED to search for refutations because their EGT said loud.
Most of northern european who are racially aware agreed with the southern italian stereotype.
In the same way is easy to the african-american to be a ”non-racist”, or ”anti-white”.
But it’s completely different to be ”non-racist” to the white person.
”Such as”
Short memory*
Immigrant and southern italian students, proportionally speaking, in northern italian schools, to start.
”Italians do great in America. I’ve cited relevant studies, directly that have directly rebutted Lynn on the matter. I’m open to being wrong, of course. But on RPM, S. Italians score the same, sometimes lower, and sometimes higher than N. Italians. What’s that tell you?”
But the [southern] italians who do great in JUSA are representative of avg southern italians**
because great demographic migrations and emmigrations in Italy i’m open to change my point of views + worst government just like North Korea: smart people but worst government.
And yes, i’m naturally antipathic with extroverted people and i’m right about most of my criticisms against them.
EG—I
amen11!!!!!!
”I understand evolution, test me.”
Egg or chicken*
“Is ”pseudo-teleological” because when you are walking to the certain path, generally you can’t change or come back IN CONSCIOUS WAY.”
Organisms become less ‘complex’ all the time.”
TRY to refute my previous comment point by point, PLEASE. This make the debates more coerent and fluid.
”Organisms become less ‘complex’ all the time”
Source**
hmmmm
So, human brain is less complex than a bacteria ”brain”, you nail it!!!!
So, organisms become PROGRESSIVELY LESS COMPLEX, hmmmm
hopeless, you’re in considerably visible contradictions all the time.
”Why? Read some of his books and articles on evolution and get back to me then. I used to be until I really sat down and read his books and looked into his work on evolutionary theory.”
Because he was/is (i even know if this bastard is dead or live):
– jo-o
– become a ”new Darwin”, everyone in anthropology and biology started to read him and being convinced that
races don’t exist, so, globalism is the right thing to do, every racial difference is not caused by genetic/intrinsic reasons but by whitey…
”You don’t understand human physiology, so please don’t speak about it.”
I know very well, test me….
”I’m glad PP at least stopped pushing the myth that ‘blacks are stronger than whites’ though. About time.”
So the avg white is stronger than the avg black*
blacks are physiologically INFERIOR too*
“The term “genetically distant” is meaningless unless you specify whether you’re talking about neutral DNA or selected DNA, and if you lump both together, it’s even more meaningless.”
You don’t understand that phenotype=/=genotype. Again:
http://www.unz.com/gnxp/our-magnificent-bastard-race/#comment-1538027
I’m concerned you don’t understand this.
“That’s a completely arbitrary definition that almost nobody in anthropology uses anymore”
Look up the term ‘allopatric speciation’.
“I believe evolution is progressive, and there hasn’t been a scientist of any repute who believed anything else in the last 100 years.”
Good one. I assume Gould isn’t a scientist of repute? Have you ever read any of his books or articles about evolution? Can you answer that question? You bash him so much and say he’s wrong, but have you ever read anything he has authored with an open mind?
How is a selection process that repeated anew every generation ‘progressive’?
“Genetic distance proved Abos and Africans have been separated for a very long time, and then you use that very genetic distance as proof that separated peoples are different. Circular logic.”
So because Europeans cluster away from Africans on PCA doesn’t mean anything? The phenotype is only what matters? You’re joking, right? Do you classify ‘Native Americans’ as Mongoloids too? If you do, you’re fooling yourself because I showed you that they’re different. I assume to fit Rushton’s archaic model you would, but it’s #2016 now, and we have better data.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC139378/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1196372/
Show me one study that says they are Negroid. Razib Khan says that phylogeny and phenotypye tracking closely is a myth and just because you can’t tell the difference between two populations doesn’t make them phylogenetically close. I’m worried you don’t understand that.
“No it would not. And in fact something similar happened to homo erectus. It left Africa about 1.6 million years ago and remained Homo erectus in Asia for about a million years. Time correlates with evolutionary change but it does not EQUAL evolutionary change. Your hero Gould understood this. That’s why his punctuated equilibrium model argued no evolution occurred for long stretches of time and then massive change occurred in very little time.”
Ummm erectus became floresiensis.
https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2016/10/25/the-final-nail-in-the-coffin-for-more-evolved-and-progressive-evolution-1/
No evolution occurs because creatures become adapted to that environment. Phenotypic changes in species DO NOT occur until the environment changes. Are the Kalash Nordic? They have blonde hair and blue eyes. How about the Nuristanis and other isolated Afghan populations? Are they European?
We also have:
http://anthro.palomar.edu/homo/homo_2.htm
“The PCA graphs are meaningless if they’re based largely on neutral DNA. Neutral DNA is used to measure divergence time and nothing else. That’s what you don’t get. And I’m not necessarily saying Aborigines in particular are the same race as Negroids, but some “Australoid” types, particularly Andaman islanders, strongly appear to be.”
Exactly. Appear to be. Doesn’t mean they are.
PCA graphs are not meaningless. PCA graphs prove the existence of race.
“No it’s why your definition of species makes no sense. When scientists decided humans and Neanderthals were different species they based it on morphology because they had no idea whether they could interbreed. We now know that the breeding barrier is a lot weaker than ever thought, so invoking your definition means virtually every primate to ever live needs to reclassified. Perhaps the breeding barrier could define a higher level of taxonomy like genus, but it doesn’t work for species as the term is currently used.”
Allopatric speciation is when biological populations of the same species become geographically isolated from each other that prevents the exchange of genetic information.
Neanderthals were a distinct species.
http://phys.org/news/2014-11-neanderthals-sub-species-modern-humans.html
“But the very thing that makes neutral DNA so predictable for telling divergence times, also makes it useless for measuring evolutionary change.
I’m very concerned that you don’t understand this.”
Show me a study showing that these populations are the same. I just showed you that your intuition is wrong. The onus is on you to prove your claim, I don’t have to disprove you.
And you’re talking about allele frequencies. So the onus is on you to prove that they differ in allele frequency.
Also, fallacy of induction. There are biological differences between these populations that you or no one else knows about.
r and K selection theory has been thoroughly debunked since the 1990’s, no one takes it seriously anymore.
http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.731.3826&rep=rep1&type=pdf
It’s the only “evolutionary theory” he thinks he understands.
It’s pretty damn outdated. Modern-day genomics shows there are 5 races, not 3:
“The African branch included three sub-Saharan populations, CAR pygmies, Zaire pygmies, and the Lisongo; the Caucasian branch included Northern Europeans and Northern Italians; the Pacific Islander branch included Melanesians, New Guineans and Australians; the East Asian branch included Chinese, Japanese and Cambodians; and the Native American branch included Mayans from Mexico and the Surui and Karitiana from the Amazon basin. The identical diagram has since been derived by others, using a similar or greater number of microsatellite markers and individuals [8,9]. More recently, a survey of 3,899 SNPs in 313 genes based on US populations (Caucasians, African-Americans, Asians and Hispanics) once again provided distinct and non-overlapping clustering of the Caucasian, African-American and Asian samples [12]: “The results confirmed the integrity of the self-described ancestry of these individuals”. Hispanics, who represent a recently admixed group between Native American, Caucasian and African, did not form a distinct subgroup, but clustered variously with the other groups. A previous cluster analysis based on a much smaller number of SNPs led to a similar conclusion: “A tree relating 144 individuals from 12 human groups of Africa, Asia, Europe and Oceania, inferred from an average of 75 DNA polymorphisms/individual, is remarkable in that most individuals cluster with other members of their regional group” [13]. Effectively, these population genetic studies have recapitulated the classical definition of races based on continental ancestry – namely African, Caucasian (Europe and Middle East), Asian, Pacific Islander (for example, Australian, New Guinean and Melanesian), and Native American.”
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1196372/
Rushton should have stuck to psychology, evolution and human genetics wasn’t his strong point.
It’s pretty damn outdated. Modern-day genomics shows there are 5 races, not 3:
Modern-day genomics proves nothing because it includes junk DNA. Junk DNA evolved so that when our genomes mutated, it wouldn’t ruin any of the REAL DNA. When you find a race study based exclusively on substantive DNA, get back to me. Until then, all the DNA tells you is how long populations have been separated, not how different they are on the genes that count.
“Modern-day genomics proves nothing because it includes junk DNA. Junk DNA evolved so that when our genomes mutated, it wouldn’t ruin any of the REAL DNA. When you find a race study based exclusively on substantive DNA, get back to me. Until then, all the DNA tells you is how long populations have been separated, not how different they are on the genes that count.”
You do know that ‘junk DNA’ codes a lot of phenotypic traits, right? So it is useful. Stop falling into that trap.
You’ve also been rebutted there.
https://whyteablog.wordpress.com/2016/10/12/cladistics-of-human-peoples/
https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2016/10/09/australasians-are-not-negroid-so-stop-saying-it/
https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2016/09/20/are-australoids-and-pacific-islanders-negroid-a-reply-to-pumpkinperson/
Phenotype=/=genotype. No one seriously believes that Australoids and Melanesians are Negroid, that’s just an Afrocentric fantasy.
Are you going to start “arguing” Nordicist theories soon?
Do you have any studies showing that they are similar “on the genes that count”? I;ve shown you 6 million times that they are not Negroid and cluster nowhere near them. Did Rushton believe they were Negroid? Does Lynn? No. They have their own category for a reason, and your “arguments” don’t cut it.
Blah blah blah.
https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2016/06/26/climate-violence-black-crime-rk-selection-theory-and-the-vindication-of-jp-rushton/
Click to access Van_Lange_BBS-D-15-00646_preprint.pdf
“Worldwide there are substantial differences within and between countries in
aggression and violence. Although there are various exceptions, a general rule is that
aggression and violence increase as one moves closer to the equator, which suggests the important role of climate differences. While this pattern is robust, theoretical
explanations for these large differences in aggression and violence within countries and around the world are lacking. Most extant explanations focus on the influence of average temperature as a factor that triggers aggression (The General Aggression Model), or the notion that warm temperature allows for more social interaction situations (Routine Activity Theory) in which aggression is likely to unfold. We propose a new model of CLimate, Aggression, and Self-control in Humans (CLASH) that seeks to understand differences within and between countries in aggression and violence in terms of differences in climate. Lower temperatures, and especially larger degrees of seasonal variation in climate, calls for individuals and groups to adopt a slower life history strategy, and exert more focus on the future (versus present), and a stronger focus on self-control. The CLASH model further outlines that slow life strategy, future orientation, and strong self-control are important determinants of inhibiting aggression and violence. We also discuss how CLASH is different from other recently developed models that emphasize climate differences for understanding conflict. We conclude by discussing the theoretical and societal importance of climate in shaping individual and societal differences in aggression and violence.”
These researchers actually corroborated r/K selection theory, renaming it CLASH (which I like better, personally).
This paper was just published a few months ago in the Cambridge journal of Neuroscience.
Stupidity at it’s finest(not you the paper), It’s the same thing as rushton just a different name. He did a particularly swell job in identifying an interesting pattern but his explanation for said pattern was incredibly messy. The climate is correlated to but not the cause of aggression distribution. While life history is indeed involved the determinant is country wealth/development or the DTM(Demographic transition model) This is evidence by the fact that global fertility is decreasing worldwide. At one point, china and brazil had birth rates on par with some sub saharan countries.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_fertility_rate
http://brilliantmaps.com/fertility-rates/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_transition
This is evidence by the fact that global fertility is decreasing worldwide. At one point, china and brazil had birth rates on par with some sub saharan countries.
What’s your point? At one point in history men were shorter than women, but that doesn’t prove there are no genetic sex differences in heights.
There is a two percent known difference in historic fertility rate between Africans and Eurasians for 2 reasons (causing a one percent decrease in fitness respectively): 1) the population bottleneck coming out of Africa and 2) the introgression of deleterious Neanderthal alleles into Eurasian populations.
https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2016/06/15/neanderthals-inbreeding-and-rk-selection-theory/
“In this article, we quantify the deleterious effects on humans of introgression with Neanderthals with a high mutational load. We present simulations showing that archaic introgression may have had fitness effects comparable to the out-of-Africa bottleneck, saddling non-Africans with weakly deleterious alleles that accumulated as nearly neutral variants in Neanderthals.”
…
“Neither the out-of-Africa bottleneck nor Neanderthal admixture has much effect on the strong load. However, both the bottleneck and admixture exert separate effects on the weak load, each decreasing fitness on the order of 1%.”
http://www.genetics.org/content/203/2/881
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/06/160606103654.htm
That’s a two percent difference in historic fertility between Eurasians and Africans.
Notice how East Asians have a lower birth rate than Europeans? They have twenty percent more Neanderthal DNA. Hmmm..
https://www.geneticliteracyproject.org/2015/02/23/why-do-asians-have-twenty-percent-more-neandrathal-dna-than-europeans/
And look at Japan’s birthrate:
https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2016/09/17/japans-population-decline-and-rk-selection-theory/
Neanderthal alleles have nothing to do with anything. They are a trivial amount and explain nothing.
“Neanderthal alleles have nothing to do with anything. They are a trivial amount and explain nothing.”
Read the paper. They clearly have something to do with fertility as well as the population bottleneck coming out of Africa.
Pumpkin,
“What’s your point?”
My point was that it it’s obvious that technological development has more to do with fertility than climate.
“At one point in history men were shorter than women”
Really? When?
“but that doesn’t prove there are no genetic sex differences in heights.”
When did I say fertility wasn’t genetic?
Race realist,
“In this article, we quantify the deleterious effects on humans of introgression with Neanderthals with a high mutational load. We present simulations showing that archaic introgression may have had fitness effects comparable to the out-of-Africa bottleneck, saddling non-Africans with weakly deleterious alleles that accumulated as nearly neutral variants in Neanderthals.”
Pumpkin’s right, correlation isn’t causation fertility is decreasing but neanderthal genes are further diminishing. This even further proves my point that IQ has little to do with this, neanderthals were definitely not more intelligent than us.
My point was that it it’s obvious that technological development has more to do with fertility than climate.
It’s not a contest. There’s enough room for both.
“At one point in history men were shorter than women”
Really? When?
Men were shorter than women are today, is what I meant. Certainly Dutch men 150 years ago were shorter than Dutch women today, even though Dutch men 150 years ago were genetically taller than Dutch women today. So it wouldn’t surprise me if East Asians of past centuries had more kids than blacks today, even though I believe Blacks have genes for larger litter size. There are all kinds of cultural and technological changes that affect how many babies a population has, but Ruston argued blacks evolved to have more kids by arguing that they had larger genitals and larger secondary sexual characteristics (breasts, buttocks, muscles, deeper voices), higher frequency of twinning, more orgasms, more extroversion, earlier puberty, shorter gestation time, etc.
“Pumpkin’s right, correlation isn’t causation fertility is decreasing but neanderthal genes are further diminishing. This even further proves my point that IQ has little to do with this, neanderthals were definitely not more intelligent than us.”
It still shows a ‘genetic burden’ from Neanderthal alleles.
“Introgression of recessive mutations is predicted to affect fitness in a more complex way. Some adaptive benefits will result from Neanderthal and human haplotypes masking one another’s deleterious alleles, but Hill–Robertson interference may also hurt fitness as overdominant selection at recessive sites drags linked dominant Neanderthal alleles to higher frequency. In addition, Neanderthal haplotypes are predicted to have worse recessive burdens than human ones if they become homozygous due to selection or inbreeding.
Our results have implications for conservation biology as well as for human evolution, as they apply to any case of secondary contact between species with different effective population sizes. When an outbred population experiences gene flow from a more inbred population, we predict an increase in genetic entropy where deleterious alleles spill rapidly into the outbred population and then take a long time to be purged away by selection. This process could magnify the effects of outbreeding depression caused by genetic incompatibilities (Templeton 1986; Lynch 1991; Fenster and Galloway 2000) and acts inversely to the genetic rescue process, in which individuals from an outbred population are artificially transplanted into a threatened population that has been suffering from inbreeding depression (Richards 2000; Tallmon et al. 2004; Allendorf et al. 2010). These results suggest that care should be taken to prevent two-way gene flow when genetic rescue is being attempted to prevent lasting damage to the fitness of the outbred population.”
http://www.genetics.org/content/203/2/881#sec-8
“but Ruston argued blacks evolved to have more kids by arguing that they had larger genitals and larger secondary sexual characteristics (breasts, buttocks, muscles, deeper voices), higher frequency of twinning, more orgasms, more extroversion, earlier puberty, shorter gestation time, etc.”
Lol what? Orgasms? Are you implying that orgasms lead to pregnancy? They don’t.
Can you cite the research he cites talking about this? No don’t tell me to check his book for the cites, I’m asking you to grab the primary sources to back your conclusions. I didn’t see the WHO cite, so I don’t believe it. You citing page numbers because you saw it in Rushton’s book is meaningless. Did you see the tables yourself?
When you read books, do you not check out the references after? I do it for all the books I read so I can understand them better.
“It’s not a contest. There’s enough room for both.”
Well of course, I believe there is a dynamic feedback loop/relation between the two.
“Men were shorter than women are today, is what I meant. Certainly Dutch men 150 years ago were shorter than Dutch women today, even though Dutch men 150 years ago were genetically taller than Dutch women today. So it wouldn’t surprise me if East Asians of past centuries had more kids than blacks today, even though I believe Blacks have genes for larger litter size. There are all kinds of cultural and technological changes that affect how many babies a population has, but Ruston argued blacks evolved to have more kids by arguing that they had larger genitals and larger secondary sexual characteristics (breasts, buttocks, muscles, deeper voices), higher frequency of twinning, more orgasms, more extroversion, earlier puberty, shorter gestation time, etc.”
Like I said fertility has it’s genetic components but increase in technology= increase in k selection and first world development is caused partially by climate. My point wasn’t to say there are not genetic properties of birth rates just that rushton’s final causation was wrong.
Also, bigger genitalia/deeper voice/ muscles doesn’t mean higher fertility those are just traits selected for a sexually competitive environment it doesn’t necessarily make you have more children. Orgasms definitely do not cause pregnancy.
Like I said fertility has it’s genetic components but increase in technology= increase in k selection
How so?
Also, bigger genitalia/deeper voice/ muscles doesn’t mean higher fertility those are just traits selected for a sexually competitive environment
Sexually competitive environments tend to be r selected environments because r selected people need more mates and there are only so many to go around
Orgasms definitely do not cause pregnancy.
Of course not but they cause one to enjoy sex more, which causes them to have sex more, which increases the odds of pregnancy.
“How so?”
technological developmet=high IQ population= high IQ individual= busier schedule, less time for kids, less want for kids, less social interaction, less sex, better self control, better access to birth control.
“Sexually competitive environments tend to be r selected environments because r selected people need more mates and there are only so many to go around”
Yeah but those traits just influence social interaction they don’t actually cause higher fertility in a direct sense, otherwise chinese with small dicks wouldn’t be able to make girls pop out 5-6 kids at a time.
r and K selection theory has been thoroughly debunked since the 1990’s, no one takes it seriously anymore.
People don’t take Rushton seriously because he was politically incorrect.
NO!
OTHER!
REASON!
If his theory had been on any species other than humans, he would have won the Nobel Prize.
He implied evolution was progressive (Lynn said it was, saying ‘more evolved’, lol). Saying that is an elementary mistake. Blacks don’t have bigger genitals though. He was wrong in some instances on his theory but he was largely right.
He was horribly wrong on a lot, he was nowhere near perfect. You can disagree with Rushton and be non-PC, like I do (unless you think I’m PC).
“If his theory had been on any species other than humans, he would have won the Nobel Prize.”
Wilson and Lynn’s quotes combined, good one.
Respond to Graves’s paper. I’d like to see a post from you on that.
He implied evolution was progressive (Lynn said it was, saying ‘more evolved’, lol). Saying that is an elementary mistake.
No it’s an advanced insight that not even most scientists can grasp. It requires a VERY subtle mind.
Blacks don’t have bigger genitals though.
He cited several studies showing they do, including from the World Health Organization.
“No it’s an advanced insight that not even most scientists can grasp. It requires a VERY subtle mind.”
lol
https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2016/11/12/complexity-walls-0-400-hitting-and-evolutionary-progress/
“The minimal complexity of vertebral columns probably did not change (indeed, the actual minimum seems to have remained close to the theoretical minimum), ancestor-descendant comparisons in subclades of mammals reveals no branching bias, and the mean subclade skew was negative, all pointing to a passive system.”
Click to access Mechanisms-HQ.pdf
Such progress.
Have you read ‘Wonderful Life’ or Full House’ by Gould? Have you ever read his writings on evolution?
Progress means teleology, no?
Please explain how a selection process that’s repeated every generation is teleological.
You understand that survival during a mass extinction is strongly predicated on chance, right?
Do different genotypes respond to the same environment in different ways? Do the same genotypes respond to the same environment in different ways? New phenotypic changes brought about by changes in genotype are caused due to the arrival in a new environment, whether running from a predator or competing with a new competitor. Ie the process is unpredictable due to the myriad of ways one organism can migrate to a new habitat.
“Many criticisms of Darwinism rest on a misunderstanding of the nature of teleology. Systems of biology that are end-seeking are thought to be end-directed, something that Darwinism makes no use of in its models. Outside biology – indeed, outside science – you can use external teleology all you like, but it does not work as an explanation of any phenomena other than those that are in fact the outcomes of agents like stock brokers. And even there, teleology is not always useful, for which stock brokers (or cabal of stockbrokers) desired the goal of the 1987 crash, or the 1930 depression? External teleology is useless in science, and any science that attempts to be teleological will shortly become mysticism.”
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/evolphil/teleology.html
“He cited several studies showing they do, including from the World Health Organization.”
Source?
“Lynn’s paper was an attempt to validate one of the claims of Rushton’s r-K theory that there are predictable differences between races in a range of physical and psychological characteristics, including penis length. However, this theory is unscientific and makes arbitrary claims, many of which have been refuted in considerable detail (Weizmann, et al., 1990, 1991). Furthermore, Lynn did not consult authoritative sources for his paper, such as urologists or urology journals. The data sources he did use for his paper are untrustworthy and therefore his results, like his theory, should not be taken seriously.[4] The very relevance of penis length to understanding whatever racial differences may exist would seem to be highly doubtful.”
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/unique-everybody-else/201210/the-pseudoscience-race-differences-in-penis-size
Before you attack the source, consider this:
“Rushton responded to criticisms of his racist theories by arguing that scientific theories should be judged on the merits of their evidence.”
“No it’s an advanced insight that not even most scientists can grasp. It requires a VERY subtle mind.”
lol
My point exactly.
“He cited several studies showing they do, including from the World Health Organization.”
Source?
His book! Did you not even read it?
“My point exactly.”
LOL you didn’t even respond. My point exactly.
“His book! Did you not even read it?”
I did. I’m asking you for the primary source, you made the claim, burden of proof, etc.
LOL you didn’t even respond. My point exactly.
Because we’ve already discussed it to death.
I did. I’m asking you for the primary source, you made the claim, burden of proof, etc.
Simply turn to the chapter in his unabridged book called “Sexual Potency, Hormones and AIDs”. He cites all his sources there.
We will return to that in the future.
“Simply turn to the chapter in his unabridged book called “Sexual Potency, Hormones and AIDs”. He cites all his sources there.”
Can you explain who the ‘French Army surgeon’ is?
http://racehist.blogspot.com/2008/07/rushton-and-genital-size-one-more-time.html
“I’d taken Rushton at his word here and had not bothered to check his WHO claim beyond determining that WHO did no original research on the subject (as stated above). In reality, it’s clear from the guidelines that WHO specify exactly two widths [7]:
>>”WHO specifies a width of 49 mm or 53 mm with a tolerance of ±2 for individual condoms and ±1 for the average of the lot.”
The WHO don’t make distinctions among Europe, Africa, and Asia, but between Asia and everyone else [7]:
>>”Condoms are made in various widths. Based on studies in Australia, Thailand and the USA, and the experience of major agencies, the wider condoms (flat width 52-55 mm) will be preferred in Australia, Africa, Europe, Latin America, the Middle East and North America, and the narrower condoms (47-51 mm) will be preferred in several Asian countries (see Appendix III). Other widths are also made for small specialized markets.”
Race Realist, I discussed the penis size data in this post:
https://pumpkinperson.com/2014/10/15/non-black-men-are-so-jealous-of-black-penis-size/
Lol man. You didn’t even provide the citation, only what Rushton cited. I want a link, then page number to what you’re saying. What Rushton is saying is a pretty big claim, and I don’t believe it. I cannot find the primary source. A blog post with no citation saying the sale exact thing you’re saying now isn’t proof.
And lol at being “jealous”. Don’t know what kind of people you read about that. Blacks don’t have bigger genitalia. It’s Jew porn tricks making people believe that.
And also lol at you saying that a lot of white women date black men. Where the hell do you live?
I’m trying to understand why RR really believe blacks no have on avg ”bigger penis” than other macro-races if it seems obvious to conclude.
Again
East asians no doubt have the comparative little penis, on avg.
Caucasians BECAUSE they are ”exactly” in the middle between east asians and blacks tend to have a greater diversity of types, one of the reasons caucasians are THAT race. So caucasians, and of course i’m talking about purified caucasians and not MENAS with non-caucasian admixture, will varies wildly in many traits…
We are talking about AVG penis size, and based on this comparison caucasians will tend to have little penis size than ”blacks”, what seems the common pattern
east asians = 12-13 cm
west europeans/caucasians = 15-16 cm
”indians” = 13-14 cm
african blacks = 15-17 cm
amerindians = 12-14 cm**
maoris tend to have bigger or little penis size**
they have overwhelming ”warrior-gene” among them.
the distribution of penis size within whites and black groups, in my opinion, will be different too.
PP in your post on penis size you say:
Please provide the citation. Citing the organization, year, page number and table is meaningless. I looked for the paper. I can’t find it. If I or you can’t find the original paper with this data, the data cannot be used. Sorry, things like that are soured so you can check if the author was correct. But I can’t find it. Can you? And if you can, why didn’t you source it in your article on penis size?
Sorry, I won’t take a second hand account. I want a primary source. Show me the table. Show me the research and results. Not a second hand account.
I don’t think autism and schizophrenia evolved through climatic pressures. These traits evolved recently, Neanderthals and denisovans didn’t even have some of the genes associated with autists and schizos.
http://www.evoanth.net/2016/10/27/autism-schizophrenia-evolved/
Instead this seems to be caused by pressures related to intra-group social cohesion. It could be good evidence for the necessity of specialization within archaic populations. Meaning, OCD type autists and creative schizo’s were both necessary. and worth the risk when it came to potential innovation output within a society. Greater mental variation= greater cultural variation= higher chance of survival.
Also, I think you’re conflating differing kinds of “intelligences” with autism and schizophrenia. The latter subjects are cognitive “disorders” probably meant to exasperate personality variation. Secondly, the concept of different kinds of intelligence is bullshit to begin with and is merely a reflection of variations in preferential applications towards novel adaptation. So the premises are already weak. Your chart does somewhat of a better job in making these logical discrepancies more coherent, but you even said it’s a first draft and I agree it could use refining.
The concept of different kinds of intelligence is bullshit because it’s merely a reflection of variations in preferential applications”
This is the same thing, period.
Just semantic manipulation.
The very existence of mentalism mechanicism spectrum showed that there are different types of intelligence.
No existence of different types of intelligence = every human being are engineer- type, or every human being is a mathematician. …
Cognitive variation within complex species is a commonplace.
Again
Learn with me
Psycho cognitive variation ==== different types of intelligence
Every trait varies why not intelligence???
Some expert here explain me..
“Psycho cognitive variation ==== different types of intelligence”
It’s kind of semantic I just think the word “intelligence” is being misused here. I define intelligence as g. General ability.
General ability is the basal-definition of the intelligence in the same way ”what the flower is”, universally or generally speaking, is their basal-definition.
But flowers can have different color, aspects, evolutionary strategies…
G is pattern recognition.
Pattern recognition can be more strongly precise for
verbal/qualitative-descriptive
spatial
quantitative
psychological
introspective
introspective/extrospective or wisdom
You and other people who still insist no there different types of intelligence just need to prove because by now you just use ad hoc explanations or even just semantic manipulation to deny the obvious.
one of the fundamental reason many people deny the existence of psycho-cognitive diversity is
ideological
as always
in the same way PP deify Oprah Winfrey…
But that’s not intelligence if it’s a specalization it’s just a subset or a mental component. cognition=/= intelligence.
intelligence = psychology/evolutionary behavior + cognition, cognition alone is not intelligence, is part of it.
the same thing, intelligence is specialization, only supreme God/Buddha/Mahatma/Oprah have ”non-specialized intelligence”, 😉
=/=. i understand now, but my second comment is okaaay.
Intelligence is specialization within cognition, intelligence itself in application is generalized.
But because different types of specialization this generalized application will be diverse, period.
Yeah, I know.
Perhaps there are more Japanese who are schizoid in nature, because of their australoid background, which is not as prevalent in other North East Asians?
Crazy Japanese art with themes not found among Chinese or Koreans, I think:
This blog describes the differences between autist and schizo creativity, ultimately having to do with personality:
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/beautiful-minds/how-is-creativity-differentially-related-to-schizophrenia-and-autism/
So I’m correct to say autists are social avoidance folks? This is what the blog says about autists:
“The first factor included a mixture of characteristics typically associated with autism spectrum disorder as well as characteristics typically associated with “negative schizotypy”:
Low social skill (“I prefer to do things with others rather than on my own”, “I find it hard to make new friends”)
Constricted affect (“I do not have an expressive and lively way of speaking”, “I am poor at returning social courtesies and gestures”)
No close friends (“I prefer to keep myself to myself”, “I tend to keep in the background on social occasions”)
Low communication (e.g., “I frequently find that I don’t know how to keep a conversation going”, “When I talk on the phone, I’m not sure when it’s my turn to speak”)
Low attention switching (“I prefer to do things the same way over and over again”, “I frequently get so absorbed in one thing that I lose sight of other things”)
Excessive social anxiety (e.g., “I get very nervous when I have to make polite conversation”, “I feel very uncomfortable in social sitautions involving unfamiliar people”)
Low imagination (e.g., “”When I’m reading a story, I have difficulty imagining what the characters might look like”, “I find making up stories difficult”).”
I think the Japanese were nationalistic in a kind of “if you can’t beat them, join them” way and that’s why today they are more innovative, while the chinese are simply playing a marketing game, they may as well be Asian jews.. Isn’t the Australoid more concentrated within royal blood? A lot of anime has borderline schizo characters. So maybe you’re right.
I don’t know who is royalty among the East Asians. It does appear that the Japanese are more nomadic, savage like and less evolved as a civilization than the Chinese, judging on their culture-artistic output.
I think the Japanese have always been more innovative or creative than the Chinese throughout their history.Their visual arts and literature are very striking and bizarre than what you find with other East Asians. Many Westerners seem to think so.
I was talking about the Ainu, That’s what i mean, the Chinese were nationalistic in an antagonistic way, sabotaging their rulers like what they did to the mongols. When the japanese saw europeans they did everything to emulate these foreign invaders.
Before the arrival of the Europeans, Japanese literature and art were also strikingly different from the East Asian mainland. I don’t know if the Ainu had any effect on the Japanese psyche which made them different from other East Asians. I do know many Japanese have Ainu ancestors.
It’s definitely something that should be looked into though I have heard ainu arent Australoid but if they’re anything like the negrito’s then that might mean japanese are kind of like a more homogeneous version of the phillipines or something.
there’s no continuum you fucking fucktards. more fucking psychobabble.
genuine autism and genuine SCZ are discrete and unambiguous afflictions.
1. autism is present from birth and its defining characteristics include poor coordination and “poor prosody”…a voice without any “actorly” or rhetorical qualities…just the facts…see ron unz and david einhorn for the less severe version of it. it’s very noticeable.
2. true cases of schizophrenia have the defining characteristic of auditory hallucinations.
you’re a klutz and you talk like a robot or you don’t.
you hear voices or you don’t.
< 1% of the population will ever suffer from these. they're rare.
“a voice without any “actorly” or rhetorical qualities…just the facts”
If that’s true then I guess my speech pattern has gotten more “autistic” as I’ve grown older or grown more intelligent
“there’s no continuum you fucking fucktards.”
Most mental traits overlap between disorders but the differences that define each are quite stark. So there kind of is a continuum.
A lot of disorders are co-morbid with each other.
there’s no continuum you fucking fucktards. more fucking psychobabble.
If there’s no continuum, why are STEM types more likely to have autistic kids and siblings? That would seem to suggest that the first degree relatives of autistics regress to a less extreme form of autism (i.e. nerdiness).
On the other hand, it could just be because nerds have kids later in life (higher mutation load) and not because nerdiness is intrinsically related to autism. Or it could be because the children of STEM types get misdiagnosed as autistic when really they’re just nerds.
if there’s a continuum then there’s no such thing as “crazy” or “mentally ill”, there’s just an extreme of a continuum. the only sane peopel are in the middle. everyone else needs treatment. quite amazing…i actually saw a psychiatrist define ADD this way…just so many SDs from the mean was ipso facto pathological.
one might say the same is true of diabetes or high blood pressure…the difference is…
blood sugar level and blood pressure are real measurable things and the harm they can do is real…not just the result of social exclusion and poverty.
“spectrum” is just anglo-american speak for…everyone is sick and needs psychiatry to cure them…if you’re life sucks, it’s because you suck.
my view on psychiatry:
1. there are genuine crazy people, but they’re rare and they’re would be far fewer of them in a sane society. psychiatry cannot cure these people. a robinsonade would cure them in a few months.
2. there are a lot of people who aren’t “sick”, but can still benefit from psychiatric drugs. in the US, at least, a prescription often requires a diagnosis, though any doctor can prescribe any medication for any reason.
some of the SSRIs and low dose amphetamine are examples of drugs which may help almost everyone in certain situations irrespective of “mental health”.
You might find this article by JayMan interesting:
https://jaymans.wordpress.com/2016/02/21/features-and-bugs/
I haven’t read the whole thing, but he seems to be saying that conditions are only truly pathological if they’re Darwinian disorders, which he defines as fitness reducing in every environment. He considers autism and schizophrenia to be examples thereof.
nerds are more likely to get their kids diagnosed with autism.
i actually saw a psychiatrist define ADD this way.
i mean i saw this guy on youtube. i’ll try to find it.
“I haven’t read the whole thing, but he seems to be saying that conditions are only truly pathological if they’re Darwinian disorders, which he defines as fitness reducing in every environment. He considers autism and schizophrenia to be examples thereof.”
If something were negative towards fitness, they’d have fewer children. I can’t find any stats on autistic people having children, though with the ever expanding definition I’m sure it’s a lot.
Anything that decreases fitness is a negative trait. But with how we enable a dysgenic society, these things will continue to persist.
There are over diagnosis,
Introverts are usually more excited with environmental stimuli than extrovert. Autism seems just the extreme form of introversion and remember you can be introvert and not shy.
So genius is a negative traits.
Most of “positive traits” are correlated with avg Joey. Humankind is not this disturb by nothing.
It’s very obvious to observe nerds and autistics share a lot of similarities.
Autism is genetically correlated with merdiness. In intrinsic way?? You mean to say: Genetic?? Yes, no doubt.
And yes as autism spectrum are mutations is expected that have kids later increaee the risk. Interestingly Lombroso reported in their The Man of Genius that many European geniuses on the past was born from older parents.
I have a gifted first cousin who was born when your mother had 40 years and their father is engineer. My fahter is around STEM department. He was graduate as company administrator and today he is working with engineering. My father is quite naive specially in this country and very good to details buy he is not significatively autistic or ners. I was born when my mother have 35 years old and she have a mental disorder familiar historical.
High IQ extroverts seem to be more excited with the stimuli than introverts.
Autist and Schizo qualities are independent of intelligence.
Shyness is that of the introverts’ quality — aversion to social experience in this regard.
No JS,
extroverts tend to be less excited so they need more stimuli. Introverts tend to be more excited with exterior stimuli so they need less, they/we tend to become over-charged with stimuli because they/we perceive more details, on avg, than extroverted.
Autism with their attention to the [impersonal] detail and super-focus is not qualitatively independent to the intelligence.
Schizophrenia is over-perception of social/interpersonal and intrapersonal minutiae. Over-perception obviously tend to result in lower functioning but hyper-perception tend to result in higher creative potential. Full-blown schizophrenia is not qualitatively related with intelligence but no doubt their broader spectrum is.
Based on the idea that intelligence also tend to mean ”higher psychological intensity”, so highly intelligent extroverted tend to have well- developed or intense the extroverted qualities and they likely to need even more exterior stimuli than the avg extroverted.
Definition of introversion is very vague, but usually define wanting to be alone and not socially engaged — why leads to confusion with shyness.
Smart extroverts = Usually a sociopathic type who manipulate social stimuli for whatever reasons, and well attuned to environment.
I also think or specially think that schizophrenia is not just over-perception of interpersonal and intrapersonal details, resulting in apophenia, but also the promiscuous mixture between impersonal and personal details.
Usually schizo types demonstrate what we call creativity. Creative types are more attuned to details in a big picture.
I’d agree that anyt form of autist creativity is along the lines of engineering, while schizo creativity is that of the architect.
Yes, i agree that introversion concept tend to be vague but we can understand better with this degree of excitability with environmental stimuli.
Maybe we can conclude that introverts tend to perceive more deeply the world while extroverted more superficially.
Which brings us to occupations of the autist-schizo spectrum — computer programmer to the rock musician, intuition to delusion…
This is the stereotype, i don’t know. For example, some pre-conceptions about autistics have concluded they are less intuitive but i think many of them are very intuitive and yes, we have those who are less intuitive… as usually happen in most of groups… less among highly creative ones, 😉
Autistics are other population with their characteristic types and many people who don’t fit with this broader characterizations of their behavior and thinking style.
Huuum i don’t think so
many computer programmer are not introverted and many introverted are not introspective,
maybe i commit a mistake here
is the introspective/extrospective who tend to feel and perceive the world in the deep/existential way, and usually most of introspective are introverted.
Introverted perceive the world deeper than extroverted…. than extroverted…..
but is not all of the introverted who will be more introspectively active
this explain the normie introverted.
Anglo Proles, especially Americans are of the low functioning schizo quality, while Southern Euros have a high functioning intuition-autist quality, in regards to defining one’s national identity.
Anglo Proles, especially Americans are of the low functioning schizo quality,
which would explain why they’re so religious. Religion requires delusion and magical thinking; both schizo traits
Yes, and East Asia isn’t known for its strong adherence to religion. You have Christians and Muslims in that part of the world, but as a whole, East Asians are not very passionate religious. So yes, East Asians rely on intuition and less on religion.
And PP: This is all HBD stuff. Many academics don’t want to hear about HBD. They write about books about cultural differences as if it’s only social environment and not inherently genetic or biological.
The reason why Whites are at the apex of civilization, is because they have median qualities. And the reason why science has been so impressive and mind boggling in the West, this has to do with Whites using rationalism to explain life’s problems/mysteries, instead of just using intuition, that one finds with East Asian societies, or delusional elements that are adhered by darker Caucasoids — Hinduism and Islam as examples.
autist type is more intuitive than schizo type. East Asians are more intuitive than Whites, I think, and blacks are the least intuitive. Intuition is needed for survival.
Intuition sounds more like a schizo trait but I could be wrong
According to psychological studies, East Asians are very intuitive and they lean mostly towards the autistic side.
The otherwise, JS intuition is when you have a idea of ”light” without previous deliberation. Almost of the creative ideas came from via intuition. Pieces of different sources or informations connected ”independently” of your conscious vigilance and this idea or product simply show up for you ”by nothing”.
I doubt east asians are, on avg, more intuitive if they tend to be less creative, specially BIG-C…
No have any great study comparing creative levels among human races, only study based on creative achievements. I think
there are higher proportion of highly creative people among western europeans than among east asians and black africans,
specially because there are more ambiverted/weird types among western europeans,
and the avg [joey] western european and descendents are still more creative, generally little-c, than other macro-groups.
Santo — Psychological research has shown that schizo qualities are strong in creative types. Creative as in creating a thing and how it fits in the big scheme of things.
in artistic creative typos while scientific creative typos lean autistic spectrum, seems.
and executive function is impossible to assay independent of motivation and interest.
someone who’s about to be killed but can do something about it…his “executive function” is gonna be fine…unless there really is such a thing as an impaired executive function. being human is a lot more than pursuing goals or even having them.
When a man knows he is to be hanged…it concentrates his mind wonderfully.
and executive function is impossible to assay independent of motivation and interest.
This is true of all psychometric abilities, not EF only.
a great example outside psychiatry of defining the extreme as pathological…maybe only in america…
parents who are concerned that their kid is too short will see doctor after doctor who tells them there’s nothing wrong…until they meet the doctor who will diagnose “idiopathic shortness” and give the kid drugs to make him taller.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiopathic_short_stature
In 2003 Eli Lilly and Company offered a more precise definition of ISS when the pharmaceutical company submitted clinical trial data to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) requesting approval to advertise their brand of growth hormone for the treatment of ISS.[2] They proposed a definition of a height more than 2.25 standard deviations below mean, roughly equal to the shortest 1.2% of the population.
Other researchers have described a cutoff of 2.0 standard deviations.
so if you’re weird, strange, eccentric, odd, etc. it’s always because you’re “sick”. except all the ways people can be freaks…”in a good way”.
what is usain bolt except one who suffers from the disease of idiopathic speed? no all you pseudo-scientists…fast twitch muscle fibers, hip width, leg length to height ratio, foreleg to thigh ratio, etc….it’s all bullshit…no one knows why some people are so fast.
“no all you pseudo-scientists…fast twitch muscle fibers, hip width, leg length to height ratio, foreleg to thigh ratio, etc….it’s all bullshit…no one knows why some people are so fast.”
Source?
No’one know why leopards are so fast… huh*
Mugabe is so dreamy
i am!

People have different ideas of what is cool. The party guy photo, he is not cool at all. Cool, as the name suggests, requires at least coolness, it requires un-reactiveness, not being a party guy. Yes, a cool person talks less, does not react much, and is not into unnecessary socialisation. Therefore, coolness factor might even positively correlate with intelligence. One extremely cool person I knew was one of the smartest people I have ever met. And also some other guys… The opposite of nerdiness is not cool. By the way, I have never met a cool girl in my life.
Some people are extroverted, festive… i know a middle age woman who is like that… but
seems common that cool people tend not to be…. responsible/honest….
they are too much sensation-seekers.
Guys, Guys, GUYS!!!!!
There is clearly a spectrum if you isolate the attributes of ‘schiz’ (or ‘psychosis’ as Rushton calls it) and ‘autist’, and apply it to categorise within the population and between populations.
After all, while we cannot see it for definite in the DNA at this point, Simon Baron Cohen (no joke, Borat’s brother), has shown conclusively that the neuro profile and brain activation of autist engineers and fully autistic sons in the UK and near Philips factories in Eindhoven, bare a distinct activation pattern in different parts of the brain to various stimuli than to ‘normies’ and those that lean S.
Further, these qualitative categorisations, which Pumpkin outlines necessitate attributes of groups of men/women, which if they are ‘real’, will then predict latency and ability at a number of tasks, achievements, social popularity, hobbies and fashion sense and so on…
The clue is that we intuitively know math ability correlates highly with poor social skills. Most would concede that. Likewise, musical ability with creativity and getting laid.
If one asked Michael Jackson to sit still in a room and learn calculus for 2 hours….do you think that would happen? Likewise, if you asked autist Billy from Google with his neckbeard to write a good song…could he do it?!
As to why autism exists I believe it has less to do with climate. Less to do with problem solving on the Tundra. And vastly more to do with selection, purposeful human selection by Master….that is why the oldest continual sorting pressures of The Kingdom of Heaven and the Mughal Caste System produce to most people inclined to quantitative subjects, which are subjects that many of you agree, autists particularly enjoy.
A hole in my theory is the MENA people, who have also had older civilisations (albeit with much more warfare and dislocation).
My theory here is that MENAs:
1. Also selected for warfare people like the Berbers, Saracens and so on…hence Islam which is a literal full blown warrior religion not too unlike Norse religions.
2. Had too much invasion, pillaging and instability to select for autists. I believe the Ottoman empire was the only germination period there, but I’m not a classicist, I’m sure people can talk about Persia, Babylon and Assyria. We saw many advances in math, astronomy and engineering non-coincidentally.
The Jews are the most interesting second counter theory…i.e. we find neurotics and autists roughly in equal measure in their race as well.
But this can be perhaps subfolded into my earlier rationale for MENA people’s in general…long history of civilisation but very strong tribal, nomadic and competitive pressures from roving bandits. Hence, the survival instinct is still strong. Jews might just be the one racial group in the world where civilised pressures and nomadic pressures pushed the neuro profile in remarkably odd ways. Ie. High IQ and also primitive malicious tendencies to crush other tribes.
The qualitative diagnostic of mental disease is a good point by Dr Trumpers from McDonalds Psychiatric Uni, e.g. many countries still consider homosexuality a mental illness….
The point is though that homosexuality exists.
QED.
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The longer the comment, the more likely it used a flagged word, but I’ve now released your comment from moderation
Homossexuality tend to correlates with mental illnesses and disorders/psychossomatic nature, in parts because it’s a disorder itself, or extreme manifestation.
correlation is not causality again.
Creativity is other example of disorder that obviously correlates with other more intense disorders.
Homossexuality or sexual diversity exist because we are come from ”assexual” (self-sexual) species.
Have you considered the possibility that Autism is more than just poor social skills? You’re a retard.
Have you considered the possibility that Autism is more than just poor social skills? You’re a retard.
His retardation could be genetic. The philosopher’s father is an intellectually disabled soldier iirc. Maybe he hates math types because they’re smarter than his dad, so calling them autistic is revenge for all the years they called his dad “retard”
Deal with it!,
who you are talking about*
Autism is associated with social avoidance either from lack of social skills or not wanting to be social, but such behavior is often tied with a self fulfilling prophecy coming from one’s self worth in regards to looks, identity, race issues in relation to another race etc.
Down syndrome reveals a physical quality to it, besides having autistic like qualities in its sufferers, people with down syndrome often look “Mongoloid”, very prevalent in already Mongoloids and White Caucasoids, and less common among darker races. And East Asians are already more autistic than others.
The issue with race self haters is that they are outliers who fall outside of the convention of their in-group. People with self hatred develop such feelings, because their behavior/experiences are not in line with the majority of their in-group.
”People with self hatred develop such feelings, because their behavior/experiences are not in line with the majority of their in-group.”
This can happen too but is not always like that ok*
I, for example, i don’t hate myself, otherwise. Every group-feeling without a correct judgment will be subconscious tribal
”my tribe is good, my tribe is superior, every fault of my tribe is excusable, is explicable, understandable”
A different existential perspective (where you are in the world and how you perceive the world) no doubt contribute to reduce any long-term subconscious sympathy with most of human groups.
When you are too much behaving in tribal/ideological ways, you tend to become a sociological pattern yourself, because instead you stop to look to the patterns of the reality and judge them, you are acting exactly as a pattern, what non-observers tend to do… act without really know for what, for whom.
the perceptual inertia is the better analytical practice, stop to go with the waves and look for them.
I do get an autistic vibe from “The Philosopher”.
Anytime he gets called Black or Blasian he chimps out, not realizing we are trolling him. The more he chimps out, the more we troll.
#austismhurts
I am sure he will do the same for this comment, which will cause me to want to make even more like this……
http://sclkssl.ssl.hwcdn.net/18/images/b/song/blasianbeats+exchangefreedlbuy1get1freesale2.jpg?version=136
I found a picture of him.
THE PHILOSOPHER
Probably grew up in burbs, and was an above average student.
He however, was outcast from basically all social circles due to his mental ailments (whatever they may be).
He sought solace in becoming friends with lowlifes, with similar problems (minus the high IQ), since they’d accept him….because of all this he became a leftist.
I can only imagine throughout this time he saw many of the more successful students who, despite less academic gifts, passed him over.
Some may have been charismatic Blacks, causing him to lash out against “Magic Negroes”.
“peepee” won’t post this or my biography of “The Philosopher”
The vagina monologues deem it so. Not I. I am simply a messenger.
I don’t particularly ‘hate’ autist people. I just find them ridiculous and gullible. They’re probably the last people on planet earth you’d want to ask for social observations from. I also think they have no meta-logic ability.
A commenter mentioned schiz is more likely to believe in religion, when in fact rule following and not questioning authority may work the other way. Most autists have simply replaced Christianity with the Blank Slate under Zion’s mirthful cackling.
Autists are not just ‘nerdy’ Deal with Dildos. They think symmetrically and rigidly. They have clear patterns they like to follow and obsessive interests in objects. They can’t lie. They are reflexively against any violence and work hard/play fair. They like rules.
The gamma is nerdy, but is not autistic and breaks rules and has social intelligence.
As I’ve mentioned the positive aspect is the makings of a good citizen, but a poor warrior and an an even worse revolutionary/explorer.
Now you know why China and India fell behind despite relative lack of war.
It is true my father is not good at math. But anything I say is not with him in mind. I don’t particularly have any agenda beyond pushing back against the widespread academic and social consensus that autism is the best way to be intellectually positive.
In my experience, a 2 minute conversation with an engineer of comp scientist isn’t going to reveal anything you couldn’t have rote learned from a textbook or mainstream tv news report; just added emphasis on flapping arms at why people are so unreasonable and not following convention.
And their political ideas would get us all killed – LIBEREATRADIANISM = work hard play fair and if someone bullies you, then nobody will play with him…hahaha.
The theory is this: Lower IQ schizos follow organized religion where lower IQ autists trust their own intuition in relation to societal rules. But low IQ schizo groups like blacks simply do not adhere to religion in a complex way like dark Caucasoids.
In the Islamic world, we rarely hear of fanatics among European and East Asian Muslims. Brown Caucasoids are the main suspects, and many black Muslims, simply, are not disciplined enough to carry out terrorism. Although I think black Muslims are smarter than black Christians, but nevertheless they lack a strong discipline to be extremists and carry out diabolical acts in the name of religion.
”They think symmetrically and rigidly. They have clear patterns they like to follow and obsessive interests in objects. They can’t lie. They are reflexively against any violence and work hard/play fair. They like rules.”
This is so bad*
Supposedly you don’t think in symmetrical and rigid way… when all the time you are thinking like that, 😉
Your obsessive interests now is… autism schizo spectrum.
It’s probably true to say that an individual along the autist spectrum is psychologically more stable than someone along the schizo one.
Well yes, of course, neuroticism is just another words for schizo.
Warren Buffett even had the ability to force himself to forget emotionally painful things.
But the other side of the spectrum almost has the opposite problem of not being able to let emotionally disquieting things go.
Because of all those paired opposite attributes, I believe it is indeed a spectrum.
https://greenwichuniversity.eu.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_af4cVQhEPJ73gIB
Facial recognition test
i score 11 on 14
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THE PHILOSOPHER
probably wanted to go into a STEM field but couldn’t cut it because he didn’t have the fortitude;
I.E. he’s a mental fruitcake.
He went into finance; “more soft”, but once in the real world he couldn’t build the connections required to do business because he didn’t have the social skills.
He once again sees more charismatic types; “r-selective” guys, getting ahead of him, so he once again sees the “Magic Negro” from his childhood return.
This is also the stage of his life where he is first introduced to Jews.
Correct on the social skills. I am not meant to be a banker. There are probably more A leaning guys in banking than schiz types. But generally they want neurobalanced guys that smile a lot.
Banking is basically sales with math.
STEM jobs don’t care how nerdy, eccentric or in my case blunt and aggressive one’s personality is. So I’m looking into retraining as a data scientist.
I may well be the best looking non-retarded looking data scientist of all time.
Autists look retarded and dopey because the are retarded, in a survival way.
AESTHETICS DONT LIE
All the other autists are on Darwin’s chopping board. I rail against Magic Negro, because he will be the end of you poor Don. But not me. I would much rather work and live among autists than other paranoid schizos and our even worse cousin, psychopathic low impulse control heathens. Thankfully, blacks do not have the IQ to be psychopathic high impulse control masterminds.
I can almost smell the estrogen and pussy juice in that room.
Robot-like look retarded…
And your thug bros look… monkeys*
Interestingly they are looking a east asian crowd using their smartphones….
well people who over-use smartphones in public places look ”retard”, 😉
Maybe it’s just other hallucination yours, 😉
Bill Gates/Zucky Wucky/Bezos Bozo gonna donate all that technology money to making more magic negro babies because Zion controls their formative teddy bear anchoring and their ‘raci-ism’ triggers….ohohoho…but saving Magic Negroes makes more R selected barbarian invaders for Europe…ohohoho….and Magic Negroes like to murder and kill other races and themselves….ohohoh….an autist can’t figure out this….oh nonononono. And he’s going to get us all killed. Arrghhhh.
A DAY IN THE LIFE OF AN AUTIST PHILANTHROPIST
**At regalia in Monaco following a charity event**
“Hello Priscilla Chan. My name is Mark Zuckerberg. Would you like to explore new avenues and efficient ways we can deliver improvement to the lives of the people I always see on the cover of the Zionist magazine on the coffee table.”
“Mark, stop talking so diiiiiirty!!!”
“That is an incorrect interpretation my dear wife. I am simply expounding on the various methods, cost-benefit tested, that will enable more efficient provision of vaccines to allow for more marauder magic negroes for cultural enrichment”.
“Oh Mark!!!! Why don’t you make more autists in China, where I’m from. We have starving people too!!”
“But they are not crucially, as academic studies point out – magical”.
{Enter Dirty Dan in cowboy outfit and with uncouth appearance}
DD: “Mark, I think you’re barking up the wrong tree here. I don’t think you’ve figured out what makes Africa poor. Like the Carribbean, or ghettos in America, or Brazil”
MZ: “What are you trying to imply, I’m a dog?”
PC: “Race!”
DD: Exactly Ma’am.
MZ: Well I’m not going to countenance and entertain these disrespectful and horrible views, come on Priscilla
DD: Dude, you’re married to an Asian wife. Why not a black wife?
MZ: “Because ##~~~~21938DOESNOTCOMPUTE”
DD: Why don’t you spend money on similarly poor South Asians, Central Americans or Native Americans? Are you racist?
MZ: WAAAWAWAAAWAAOOOOOOO~~£%^&***&&(&
PC: Oh Dan, you’ve caused a short circuit!!
[Quick glance at his crotch]
****
CNN: “Mark Zuckerberg was released from hospital care today after a fall while painting his stairs. He has also announced his wife and him will be separating and a renewed effort to combating racism through donating more money to Africa and adopting 17 babies”.
CNN UPDATE: This just in. Mark Zuckerberg has announced he is marrying Precious.
https://lh4.ggpht.com/kYBdqXo_E71w1PPNl7xPUpfKQFcUTiT6DfZmNYEcTX8NIvbORgVCVtNpc7oedqNSFDELIw=w720
Precious had this to say in response: He goin down.
Pretty good.
You’re a retard and you belong in prison.
the philosturbator notes that american black society has become matriarchal…
the seychelles has too…
this isn’t the way it is in black africa.
is it pathological?
not necessarily.
the mosuo of the PRC and some napalese peoples have matriarchal societies and polyandry. it’s perverted to us, but it’s not perverted…like chimo-ing, bestiality, or bathhouse stuff.
women are niggers, and they don’t know it.
when she’s got her own?
it happened…
to me!
they become just like men!
really!
hard to believe!
but true!
i was 25. my taiwanese boss (low 30s) wanted to ride me…but she had a husband and children…i said “no!” in so many words…even though she was very attractive…not the typical slight, petite chinese. she was tall and robust. and her face?…she was very…very pretty…
and then…
she said she was 41 (a white woman, not fat). she was retiring. she’d made bank in mortgage securitization. she never even attended uni. i told her about my girl problem…some half russian half jewish girl…i still want her like death…
she said…
it’ll work out…look in the mirror.
what did neal cassady say?
women are whores…but in the exact opposite sense that “whore” is usually taken.
or another way of putting it…
in a country like iceland where men and women are the most “equal”…
doesn’t change much…
the women want men, and the men want women.
”in a country like iceland where men and women are the most “equal”…
doesn’t change much…
the women want men, and the men want women.”
You’re sounding progressively dumb.
”the women want men, and the men want women”
he thinks he’s deep. he’s just an idiot.
Proles tend to be more …..
masculine (agressive, irrational, sociopathic, aesthetically mediocre, and so on)
Or he is deeply idiot or idiotically deep.
i agree.
the deeper i get into your vagina…
the less i can speak.
two spirit.

Santo — Prole which is America, an ugly country, and not very aesthetic pleasing overall.
Mugabe is a virulent misogynist on top of being a virulent racist. What’s new?
Metis actress
Look a ugly caucasian woman, lol!!!
But the spirit is always inner, 😉
ugly caucasian woman*
lol, wrong image
”You can be WN without be racist”
ok contradictory man, 😉
I think Fellatiolatti is single …
He fell in love with Icelandic muscles.
😉
If he were a heterosexual man he would even praise the full-bodied breasts of Icelandic women, but he prefers these brutes.
Wow
Deal,
what is it in their mouth*
it’s hard not to notice how women instinctively shy from contestation with men. they shut up. they become mute.
why?
it’s ape stuff. men are bigger and stronger and more prone to violence…they’re scary…
but the ladies can’t help themselves…scary but sexy!
original name of “the trump organization”? founded 1923.
Elizabeth Trump & Son
You’re caricaturing schizophrenia and autism.
and all those icelandic ‘roiders?
1. icelandic men are the tallest in the world…
2. the longest lived in the world…
3. tall people are shorter lived…on average…
4. there’s something right with iceland.
Hmmm, something tells me Fidel’s domestic approval rating is better than Angela Merkel’s and even Barack Obama’s right now.
Just a hunch.
I remember John Derbyshire writing that in the last days of Mao, the chinese got their news by just inferring it from its opposite stated matter. So a report saying the bridges were rated B+, or baby formula was safe, probably meant they were shit and so on.
Likewise, towards the end of Zion, we can infer world events and legacies from the opposite of what Zion’s mouthpieces says.
You can infer what Rothschild wants somewhat by the types of articles, concerns, suggested policies, ways of leaving out info and propagandists interpreting information.
So its pretty clear he hates populism, obviously, because its a threat to the racket.
Is very aware how free trade destroys countries, hates Brexit because it means closed borders (and less white genocide) more than it means less bank profits (because he’s the wealthiest man in britain anyway) and thinks people digging away at tax havens need to be monitored and arrested over privacy concerns.
I also note how Msr Hollande’s Economist scorecard is now neutral. Initial shrieking hostility gave way once Hollande was blackmailed with his affair and he started doing cucknomics.
There’s a clue…if you read the Economist long enough, you’ll know what their plan is…something like a Bolshevik ‘technocratic’ surveillance state for whites, modelled on Russia (but with private property), the fasces in Israel and subduing rebel forces in Latin America, Russia and China.
Its seems the Nordics are no longer non-aligned anymore. Sad. Olof Palme is sad bear now. They cucked hard when they went after Assange and changed their economic policies to neoliberal cuckoldry even though they were doing great.
The other thing I’m seeing is that the SJW gay marriage, women’s right to high IQ jobs, and Magic Negroes Seriously Matter Man stuff is their way of juxtaposing their jewish fascism with estrogen and COMPUTERPASSION.
Oh Economist – by brainwashing rubes, you let me the real intention of thee!
You really think letting 3% of the population get married in a polygamous community is going to make up for forcing Bolshevism on Europeans? Think people won’t notice…
The are going to ban or censor the internet eventually. They have to. Knowledge, or should I say, the absence of knowledge creates their power.
once again the philosophaster proves he is NOT schizo…although…
“zion” has a much longer paraphrase, namely…
government by people whose sole purpose is adding to their already obscene wealth whatever the consequences to their own countrymen or to the world as a whole…jews are obscenely over-represented among this group and dominate the ideologists of this group…ideologists: those whom this group points to as justifiers of their power.
although in the US the jewish economists tend to be much more “socialist” than the white gentile economists.
krugman and stiglitz are heroes. the world’s problems are not their fault.
btw, krugman went insane after the election. have you noticed?
Philo,
great image!!
Jimmy Dore’s hitting it out of the ballpark lately.
these “nazi cock suckers” are…so far…less “elite” than obama’s cabinet…
1 jew…”munchkin”
2 yalies…ross and munchkin.
1 HBS…chao.
basically there was no one to vote for in the 2016 election. it was the lesser of two evils. they were both evil in their own way.
here’s morris berman (a jew i agree with) on the election:
7th paragraph it starts.
Goodbye, Botox! Plus, My German Adventure…
https://morrisberman.blogspot.com/
i should’ve voted for stein…
maybe…
she’s no bernie!
i agree with berman…as far as investments go…this trump rally…which is wholly in banks…
not gonna last.
although i’ve made 30% in DNB ASA since september. (maybe i should sell it.)
…
unless trump really is a messiah…
all signs point to he’s not…
it’s just gonna be more stagnation.
The Jetsons were more than most are willing to work for…or able to work for.
Jimmy’s rants are legendary.
On Chuck Schumer and the 90s New Democrats:
WHY NOT JUST BECOME A FUCKING REPUBLICAN????!!!!!
Other philosophical quotes from Jimmy:
“If people have a choice between a republican and a republican. They’ll chose a Republican.
“Chuck Schumer is a Republican who believes in gay marriage and abortion”
The Democrat party is dead. I don’t see anyway back unless Bernie and co create a Progressive Party and ditch the SJW stuff before it fractures their party into infighting.
Blacks hate gays. Muslims hate Jews. Asians don’t want women breadwinners. Muslims/Blacks hate feminists.
The Rukakah commenter called me stupid for adhering to astrology, yet scientific research has it found that schizophrenics are more prevalent among those born in late winter/early spring, which corresponds to the astrological sign Pisces, which is known for its dreamy and delusional nature.
http://schizophrenia.com/prevention/season.html
Seems there are certain logic in astrology, not exactly in their core–meaning, but in this association between personality types and birth month of but generally all ”personality-horoscope” are always positive with little development in the possible defects. I don’t believe astrology was based on nothing or insane imagination, or that can be fully compared to a religion. I believe that astrology is halfway between religious magical thinking, which also has many truths disguised as metaphors, and scientific thought, supposedly concrete.
Would be interesting analyse if different people tend to have different sexual/reproductive behavior throughout the year, i mean, if people tend to become more sexually excited in certain period of year, season, for example, than in other period.
We know highly creative people at least in the setentrional hemisphere tend to become less creative during the ”cold seasons” and mentally excited during the ”hot seasons”. And mental energy tend to correlates with sexual energy*
Or better, more about woman reproductive cicle, some women become more fertile in the summer than in the winter**
And yet, French Canada is the most creative region in North America. It’s not really warm except for 3 months out of the year. The southern United States is very warm, and is cultural non-existence, more so than other regions of America.
Are you referring to me? When did I say that?
It was Fellatiollatti who laughed about JS astrological confessions. I remember you said something about it but i don’t know if it was negative.
I look at America’s astrological chart, birth date from July 4th 1776. One big contradiction — America has its ideology sector in the sign of Virgo, a very contradicting position with a canceling effect. Virgo is conservative, not very open, dynamic or creative to new ideas. America’s ideology is not very progressive, even if it wants to be seen as progressive, hence all the problems with race and stupid BS on social issues.
Are you referring to me? When did I say that?
I don’t think you did. JS seems to have confused you with Mugabe, perhaps because you’re black and Mugabe’s avatar is black (since the real Mugabe is black).
Hahaha!….ok.
I’m very similar with Leo, ”my sign”.
Astrology may can be called ”primitive psychology”*
I find astrology fascinating…and like the other commenter, I find genuine belief in it to be pretty silly.
Yes, a genuine belief yes, well, most of beliefs*
But treat astrology as if it is complete garbage is arrogant and yes, stupid.
Astrology is retarded. Whatever predictions it makes have no factual basis. That is to say, there is no sound basis for them. Whether they are correct is a separate question but astrology doesn’t deliver on that front either. It’s like alchemy.
Actually, whether they are correct is NOT a wholly separate question. Why would they be correct if they’re based on voodoo and mystical theories about the heavens? My conclusion is that astrology is retarded.
Voodoo have zero chance to be factually correct in anything.
Astrology hit in some thing… that’s the difference.
yes, i also think astrology is retarded anyway but less than voodoo.
“The Jews were responsible for bringing negroes….with the ultimate idea of bastardizing the white race which they hate and thus lowering its cultural and political level so that the Jew might dominate.”
Who said this?:
(a) The Philosopher
(b) Steve Sailer
(c) Chateau Heartiste
(d) Oprah Winfrey
(e) Adolf Hitler
Definitely not Oprah. My guess would be Hitler
CH is a WN type. Steve Sailer could also have said it.
You’re also a WN JS. Come out of the closet.
one can be a nationalist without being a racist or supremacist.
Which is why I like French Canada a lot, classy for a new world nation, yet more WN than any dunghole that professes it in Middle America and Southern Hospital land.
Anglo Proles in America and to certain extent Canada whine about one thing only: money and money alone. WN to Anglo Proles is about economic disenfranchisement and nothing else. Worse, America is all about status with money, not class, not character development. This becomes a crushing defeat when Whites take on Lion’s Jew angst, because Jews in America dictate cultural trends based on dollars only within their cities, not on talent or ability or any place else.
It’s quite prophetic that now Anglo Proles and Jews are a match made in Heaven together in bed. The Jew vampire has bitten the Anglo Prole and he has become one of them with money lust. The entire Anglo Prole Sphere see Jews no different from its former WASP elite. And it’s only in the Anglosphere. Other Western non-Anglo entities do not sleep with Jews.
The answer is of course, Oprah Winfrey.
From Time Magazine 12/4/97
In a 1993 CBS Special “The Rise of African American Entrepreneurship”, media darling Oprah Winfrey discussed her rise to the top of the American public consciousness.
“Well, my family was royalty in Nubia in northeastern Africa up until, oh, four score years ago. Some white men approached us asking us to come to America and share our values, stories and talents with Americans”
“I found it a bit odd that we were approached out of the blue as such but after a while I realised they weren’t ‘white’ men as such. They were Jews. And it wasn’t just us. The royal family of Ghana, Zaire and Senegal were also approached.”
“Over time I realised the Jews were responsible for bringing negroes….with the ultimate idea of bastardizing the white race which they hate and thus lowering its cultural and political level so that the Jew might dominate.”
“Today, I would disagree with the notion I only succeeded because the bar had been wrung so low in American culture. If anything you could say I’m a shining light in the American morass of cultural life. Y’know?”
Mugabe is a retard white trash.
First Nations actresses:
why are my comments not appearing?
yes…
1. 100% PURE BLOODED N AMERICAN NATIVE AMERICANS/FIRST NATIONS/WHATEVER…
they are much…much…sexier than any ne or se asians…imho.
and central and s americans too.
2. much…and “half-breeds” who are half white half native american…compared to half white half half e asian…
SCHUH-WING!
3. there was a girl at my school. she was a very good student. she was…oh my God..gorgeous…but she was, by my judgement, 100% native american. her secret? i learned it. she was adopted by white folks…ugly stupid white folks.
4. there was a seinfeld episode about this. the girl concerned…tall and robust…SCHUH-WING!…WINONA!
Average 1st nation individual in Canada, not very eye pleasing or physically trim in appearance, similar to our Mexican immigrants with their robust diet of beer and beans.
Except those who are mixed breeds leaning more Mestizo outside of their stereotypical low balling occupations, but still very attractive in the likes of Eva Longoria in her prime or Selena Gomez.
when they’re not fat…which is not often…unfortunately…
they’re more physically attractive than japanese…the most attractive e asians…by far…
why?
it’s obvious.
n american injuns are as robust as the most robust europeans…they are!
me likes the girl who breaks the bicycle…but isn’t fat…
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2128966/Ingrid-Bergman-beautiful–big-girl-broke-childs-bicycle–dont-ask-Joss-Ackland-thinks-Lauren-Bacall.html
ingrid is a great example for all those girls trying to be beautiful…
quit! stop! cut it out!
look at her eyes.
it’s not just her face and body…
there’s a person behind those eyes.
blazing!
in the whole 150 years, or whatever, history of photography…
there’s no more…”make a grown man cry” photo…than…
Johnny Depp is one of the hottest guys and he’s part Native American.
I’m unusually rational for a person of my ancestry. I’ve always been aware of it. But you could not tell by looking at me. I keep up with the joes/janes. I’ve pretended to be dumb my entire life because intelligence is threatening.
The term “Aboriginal” is offensive. You should use “First Nations” or “Indigenous” instead.
if the the dems go the class route…
they win!
over and over and over and over…
AGAIN!
THE ONE SCENARIO WHERE AMERICA FINALLY LIVES UP TO ITS OWN IMAGE…THE IMAGE WHICH STILL MAKES PEOPLE LIKE ME CRY…
CRY!
1. TRUMP FIXES IMMIGRATION.
2. IN 2018 THE DEMS SWEEP THE CONGRESS…AND IN 2020…TRUMP LOSES TO A BERNIE CLONE…
OR BERNIE! HE’LL BE 75!
YOUNG FOR A POPE!
makes you cry!
makes ME cry!
every time!
every time!
Speaking of autism…..
Mugabe misses 2 “socially subtle” points
1. The proles are their own worst enemy. If trump turns out to be a Bush III they’ll take it as a personal insult if someone mentions it and deny they were conned.
2. (White)Proles hate democrats; theyare driven by machismo and stupid shit like that. They won’t vote for a 79 year old baby killing fag marrying Jew no matter if he defends their economic livelihood….at least FOR NOW
And it’s not even bout race. Just look at muh WV
Bernie the baby killing fag marrying rabbi. Won’t cut it. And race had nothing to Do with it.
Things WILL change but not by 2020. Give it time.
pp
Take a look at this on incentives increasing I.Q scores of sub-100 IQ people by .96 S.D !
how on earth can we say that group x has IQ y when many don’t even try ?.
http://happierhuman.com/role-of-test-motivation-in-intelligence-testing/
Please do a post on this , as no one in the HBD scene has (for obvious reasons).
Please do a post on this , as no one in the HBD scene has (for obvious reasons).
I did do a post about it. I argued motivation explains at least 10 points of the Flynn effect on tests like the Raven:
https://pumpkinperson.com/2016/09/29/an-analysis-of-the-flynn-effect/
Mugabe is such an autist, or moron.
If racial divisions are eliminated the Prole Whites will just come to vote democrat? Really?
These sick mofos spend time convincing themselves they don’t vote republican because of race……
They’ve been brainwashed, and that sticks.
What will it be next?
The democrats are little homos so the proles have to vote or the macho republicans?
Will Mugabe then say “get rid of masculinity” or “all men have to be masculine”
Uhh….no.
Try again autistic fucktard.
Now, I DO agree that neoliberal insanity must stop? In what way? Stop equating “White privilege” with high levels of wealth. The only thing warren buffet and my coal miner next door neighbor is that they’re White.
A few votes could be peeled off this way, canceling out the socially retarded non- Whites SJWs who buy that crap.
“If racial divisions are eliminated the Prole Whites will just come to vote democrat? Really?”
Yeah really. Heterogeneity is the big reason the US isn’t more like Denmark or Sweden.
Mugabe sock puppet?
Anyhow..you miss the point!
“heterogeneity” exists on more levels than just race.
This is not a completely solvable problem. Right wing low IQs and/or brainwashing are a bitch.
“‘heterogeneity’ exists on more levels than just race.”
Doesn’t matter. Ethnoracial divisions are unlike any other, in spirit and in effect.
pp
we are not talking about the flynn effect were talking about recent years .
if sub-100 IQ people gain and average of .96 SD then why do we say that they are low I.Q?
If offering cash incentives increases their score then their genetic I.Q is much higher higher that what Lynn reports.
If offering cash incentives increases their score then their genetic I.Q is much higher higher that what Lynn reports.
Keep in mind that IQ is just a rank order, not an absolute measure of intelligence. If everyone were given cash incentives, everyone’s IQ would increase to some degree, but the rank order might not change as much as you think, so you’d still get largely the same IQs.
But I do agree that very low IQ populations such as Africans, Australoids, and gypsies, would benefit more from a cash incentive than white and East Asians who are already motivated to do well on tests. I’ve talked about this too.
My thoughts about basic income would be more of an incentive for low IQ groups to make an effort to improve themselves. It’s only available for those with a college diploma. And other welfare will cease to exist, which will discourage these groups to bring kids out of wedlock.
I’m definitively tired about white-trash (i’m not talking about just about white working classes), the pussies of the jewtrash, most of them, MOST.
French Naturalist comte de Buffon – who inspired the American Revolution with other French intellectuals of the period during the 18th century, believed that new world biology was degenerative, essentially weak and not strong, also not impressive, and have weak cognitive functions. He calls it the American Degeneracy, because new world climate is not very hot and too much with humidity. Of course, this applies to North America. Later by a few years, this idea was taken up by another Frenchman intellectual Guillame Raynal, applied the same principles to Europeans living in the new world, basically, a corrupted people of a glorious people, with degenerative nature.
At one point, Buffon propounded a theory that nature in the New World was inferior to that of Eurasia. He argued that the Americas were lacking in large and powerful creatures, and that even the people were less virile than their European counterparts. He ascribed this inferiority to the marsh odors and dense forests of the American continent. These remarks so incensed Thomas Jefferson that he dispatched twenty soldiers to the New Hampshire woods to find a bull moose for Buffon as proof of the “stature and majesty of American quadrupeds”.[8] [b]Buffon later admitted his error[/b]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges-Louis_Leclerc,_Comte_de_Buffon
Without the Frenchmen, the American Revolution would not have started. He should have said the Englishmen and their kin are all inferior, which bring us to our discussion again…..again. The Anglo Dumbos are also late in the game when it comes to HBD. The Spanish and French preceded them with their theories of racial differences and behaviors.
And in the New World of the temperate and frigid zones, English speaking domains are practically untenable when capitalism has finally run its course. American pluralism breaks down in its heyday, most certainly this will suffer a mighty blow, when it no longer lives another day.
This is a metaphor for Anglo America’s coming destruction vs Latin America already degeneration, in relation to their climates.
Latin America might be a swamp with its various unpleasant lifeforms due to its lifespan of degeneration, but Anglo America will be a denuded forest, which is worse.
And Mugaboo is correct — the Anglo New World is unsustainable.
Perhaps with the exception of Romance Language-America of French Canada and a few White majority SA nations like Argentina and Chile, the Americas serves no purpose for a higher calling.
“higher calling” = bourgeois decadence
Anglo nations lack of intellectual stimulation, only low brow pleasures and money = ultimate destruction
White trash in prole America drunk, overspent, and now in debt!
Furthermore:
French Canadians and just about any other Western entity hate Anglo Proles because of this. And Anglo Proles are synonymous with Jews and now even more. They destroy other nations and their own, and only because of this:
Anglo Proles with their primitive think are multi-cultural-multi-ideological delusionalists, not diversified mono-cultural nationalists. Hence, all the stark divisiveness between Anglo Whites.
Hainal line in Europe, cohencidently, correlates with jewish cultural influence/ressonance.
Hey pp, on Rushton’s penis size data:
https://books.google.com/books?id=XrWeMc0BwF0C&pg=PT90&lpg=PT90&dq=Rushton+race+differences+in+penis+size&source=bl&ots=Rz9mMGcgny&sig=Mh0cnoG1TtoN2VxOS1Xf5QL1tv0&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiD18Hb3tXQAhUE0YMKHZZXDLI4ChDoAQgeMAE#v=onepage&q=Rushton%20race%20differences%20in%20penis%20size&f=false
The information from which the WHO data is derived is on American blacks and Caucasians, not any subjects from Europe or Africa. Hahaha. He also asked 150 people their penis size in a Toronto shopping mall. Such science. Much wow. Finally, going back to “French army surgeon”, who is he?
These are all legitimate questions, pp and anyone who asks them or who doesn’t believe Rushton’s ‘research’ into this isn’t ‘agreeing with him on everything else except this’. I strongly disagree with Rushton on a lot. This is one of them.
Pretty damn embarrassing.
I rebutted your article on penis size PP.
https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2016/12/01/are-there-racial-differences-in-penis-size/
There is one study that looks at Nigerians showing them at 5.2 inches. A study that Rushton cites shows 3.21 inches. Veale Wt al 2014 shows no difference in their meta study of Caucasians when comparing it to other samples.
It’s a myth bro. It doesn’t exist.
Even then, the only actual studies are in Nigerians and American blacks. So we can say Nigerians have a slightly bigger (tenths of an inch in some cases) one than other Caucasian ethnies. But the only statistical difference is Nigerians and Koreans. So we can say that Nigerians are bigger than Koreans, but not that all Africans are bigger than all East Asians. Because science doesn’t work like that. You can’t extrapolate that data to all Africans or all East Asians, it’s only on the demographic tested. Moreover, the Ajmani et al 1985 study you cited that was in Rushton’s book showed a penis length of 3.21 inches for Nigerians.
That “WHO” study Rushton cited is a joke.
”But the only statistical difference is Nigerians and Koreans. So we can say that Nigerians are bigger than Koreans, but not that all Africans are bigger than all East Asians.”
Dur.
”Because science doesn’t work like that.”
Petulance is your surname.
but you can be right, 😉
Again
East asians and black africans
tend to be extreme one each other
caucasians***
more diverse.
“Dur”
A lot of people would extrapolate that to all Africans and all East Asians. That’s wrong. Science doesn’t work like that.
Show me definitive data that there are differences, from what I’ve found we cannot say, and the meta analysis I cited in my article says that as of now we cannot say there are rail differences.
No, pp, that’s not me disagreeing with Rushton here and agreeing everywhere else. I’m not a robot. The world isn’t black and white.
“petulance is your surname ”
No. Because people extrapolate data to other demographics when studies are only applicable to the specific demographic tested.
http://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/2679/is-there-a-correlation-between-penis-size-and-race
I’m not Peepee.
The information from which the WHO data is derived is on American blacks and Caucasians, not any subjects from Europe or Africa. Hahaha.
Why would he need to go all the way to Europe and Africa when there are black and white people in America where environment is relatively controlled, and the American data proves blacks have MUCH longer and MUCH thicker penises than whites. Once again you’ve been proven wrong. You really need to step up your game.
And you’re also wrong about Rushton not looking at African or European data. He cited the World Health Organization recommending a 49-mm flat width condom for Asia, a 52-mm for North America, and despite the severe malnutrition stunting penis size in the Third World, a 53-mm in Africa (World Health Organization, 1991). Meanwhile he notes that China was forced to manufacture their own condoms to get ones that are small enough.
Please do better research in the future.
Here’s a tip: You might actually want to read Rushton before trying to debunk him.
He also asked 150 people their penis size in a Toronto shopping mall.
FALSE. He handed out a survey in a mall about sexual history, but didn’t ask mall customers about their penis size. You’re so credulous RaceRealist. You believe every bit of left-wing propaganda they feed you.
”He also asked 150 people their penis size in a Toronto shopping mall.”
”FALSE. He handed out a survey in a mall about sexual history, but didn’t ask mall customers about their penis size. You’re so credulous RaceRealist. You believe every bit of left-wing propaganda they feed you.”
hihihihihihi
This would ridiculous to the Rushton ask to random men the size of their penis….erect…
hihihihihihihihi
“Why would he need to go all the way to Europe and Africa when there are black and white people in America where environment is relatively controlled, and the American data proves blacks have MUCH longer and MUCH thicker penises than whites. Once again you’ve been proven wrong. You really need to step up your game.”
Source that American black are “MUCH longer” and “MUCH thicker”? Secondhand accounts don’t cut it for me, I want primary data. When you read books do you not check references? My game is up, PP. Just because I don’t agree with Rushton on this doesn’t mean that I” believe every piece of left wing propaganda they feed me “(who’s “they”?).
” And you’re also wrong about Rushton not looking at African or European data”
Did you read what I cited?
https://books.google.com/books?id=XrWeMc0BwF0C&pg=PT90&lpg=PT90&dq=Rushton+race+differences+in+penis+size&source=bl&ots=Rz9mMGcgny&sig=Mh0cnoG1TtoN2VxOS1Xf5QL1tv0&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiD18Hb3tXQAhUE0YMKHZZXDLI4ChDoAQgeMAE#v=onepage&q=Rushton%20race%20differences%20in%20penis%20size&f=false
Again, lol. So it’s not even “East Asians”, it’s only Thais.
“He cited the World Health Organization recommending a 49-mm flat width condom for Asia, a 52-mm for North America, and despite the severe malnutrition stunting penis size in the Third World, a 53-mm in Africa (World Health Organization, 1991)”
“World Health Organization, 1991” that’s nice, pp. Please show me their research and results. Get me the primary source. Would you take a second, third, or fourth hand account as fact without checking he sourced data? Do you check references after you’re done reading books?
“Meanwhile he notes that China was forced to manufacture their own condoms to get ones that are small enough.”
Primary source, please. Yes I’ve read his book, I read Race, Evolution, and Behavior and Altruism, Socialization, and Society. Have you read that book? I’ve read those book multiple times as a matter of fact. But I’m asking you for the primary data. Don’t tell me “his book” because I’m discussing with you, not Rushton.
“Here’s a tip: You might actually want to read Rushton before trying to debunk him.”
I’ve read two of them multiple times. How many books by Darwin have you read?
“FALSE. He handed out a survey in a mall about sexual history, but didn’t ask mall customers about their penis size. You’re so credulous RaceRealist. You believe every bit of left-wing propaganda they feed you.”
I asked you to give me a warning about saying hilarious things. Am I supposed to rely on self-reports? PP, you know what I do for a living. I’ve had people give me self-reported weights then I showed up at their house and weighed them. What do you know, they were lying. In the biggest meta analysis looking at weight loss, they didn’t even use studies where weight loss was self-reported. Self-reported data is garbage and should not be accepted. That’s not science, handing a survey to random people in a mall “how big is your penis?” Really bro?
Orakwe and Ebuh (2007) again test Nigerians (5.2 inches), then compare them with Italians (4.92 inches), Greeks (4.79 inches), Koreans (3.78), British (5.11 inches), and American Caucasians (4.9 inches). The only statistical difference was between Nigerians and Koreans. They conclude:
http://www.ajol.info/index.php/tjmr/article/view/30465/0
There re two studies done in African countries, they don’t show any huge difference as you say. Ajmani et al 1985 shows 3.21 inches (flaccid believe).
There is not HUGE difference between Nigerians and other Caucasian ethnies. The only disease between Nigerians and Koreans. But that doesn’t mean that all Africans are bigger than all East Asians.
YOU have to do better research become studies I cited took me twenty minute to find.
Also respond to this.
http://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/2679/is-there-a-correlation-between-penis-size-and-race
Do you believe Rushton was never wrong? What do you think he was wrong on? I’ve never seen you say anything critical about him.
Also pp why must you bring politics into this? Is this a scientific or political discussion? Did I bring up politics at all? I did not. So please don’t accuse me of being brainwashed by left wing propaganda. Because then I can say you’re brainwashed by Rushton’s propaganda. And then we’d get nowhere.
Please keep this scientific and lay off the stupid attacks because they don’t help your argument.
Rushton was not infallible, as you believe him to be.
By accusing me of having any political bias or being persuaded by da leftists,, you’re just like Rushton’s opponents. Ironic, huh? But that’s not how this works. In any of our debates, I’ve never gave you idiotic character attacks and ad hominem, because they have no place in discussions like this. Please extend me that same courtesy, pp. Thank you.
One more thing. I believe every piece of left wing propaganda they throw at me, and Marxism has overtaken zoology, right?
Well those are ad hominem attacks. Guessing at one’s motivations is ad hominem, a logical fallacy. Learn some basic logic and how argumentation works please. I’ve put a few links here in the past.
And when comparing results from different studies, you need to make sure the methods were the same or the comparison is meaningless.
I’m going to order the magazine at Rushton cites Nobile in as well as the 1979 Kinsey report to put this to rest.
One more thing. From the African 2007 study:
It’s also possible that God exists. It’s possible that anything exists. Does that make it true? No.
RR,
you’re comparing possibility of existence of ”God”, whatever mean, with possibility of existence of racial differences in penis size… do you’re crazy today*
Read this. It’s extremely short, and the author “likes sociobiology”:
http://scholarship.sha.cornell.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1326&context=articles
Santo, I’m not crazy. It makes sense.
There is a possibility that God exists. Yet we have no evidence. There is a possibility that there are racial differences in penis size. Yet we have no evidence. (Though ARGUMENTS can ‘prove’ that God possibly exists, just like an ARGUMENT can ‘prove’ that racial differences in penis size exist. Well, not exist. Just that they are logical beliefs.)
Your comparison is superlative.
While is perfectly possible measure racial differences in penis size it’s not possible to know if god, maybe, while a unique force, exist or not…
it was just DAMN superlative.
”…just like an ARGUMENT can ‘prove’ that racial differences in penis size exist. Well, not exist. Just that they are logical beliefs”
So racial differences in penis no exist…
https://scontent-gru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15219645_1118478798220757_6854221204480404980_n.jpg?oh=b9786784a1de3bb984a2f54586a30f69&oe=58B26E36
RR and its contradictions.
test
Autism is:
to much local connectivity
not enough long distance connectivity
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_matter
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connectome
I think i’m little autistic and schizo at the same time, 😉
This explain obsessive interests*
I am not autistic, I am ENFP
My mom is ISFJ, she is uninterested in abstract concepts and just stars at me when I try and talk to her. She doesn’t have anything to say to me.
My aunt is ESFJ and she was a elementary school teacher, she lack abstract awareness also.
I have not seen my dad since I was 6 and recently I was told that he blew his mind out with acid. He smokes marijuana like my brother. My brother is ISTP. His social intelligence is low and has anger issues.
The reason I know this is because my brother was not good at this video game:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Knights_of_the_Old_Republic_II:_The_Sith_Lords
I was really good at it because I understand the ethos of being a Jedi.
My brother is extremely mechanical. He told me that he remembers all items in the game and they all flash before his imagination to pick the item necessary to solve a problem.
My sister is ESFP and she can draw photorealist images. She understands me the best because she has introverted feeling.
She understands me the best because she has introverted feeling.
But ENFP are extrovert is not*
Your unquestioning faith in these retarded categories betrays a lack of intelligence.
”Your unquestioning faith in these retarded categories betrays a lack of intelligence.”
What*
Where did you see it to conclude this?
I just said that, he understands his introverted sister, but defines himself as extroverted = Enfp*
It is very clear in the passage that I highlighted.
Making interpretations like this is a sign of lack of analytical subtlety = of intelligence.
develop your thinking…
If you are talking to me and not with Iluminaticat.
hello there peepee, long time listener, first time caller here.
i was wondering what you think of extreme cases of polyglotism, such as this verified polyglot having advanced knowledge in over 30 languages:
or this teenage jew, who is conversational, but an amateur at best relative to professor arguelles, who seems a bit autistic, by the way. being merely conversational in a majority of his languages.
What i already read about polyglotism
two ”overrepresented” traits is
lefthandedness
homossexuality
Haha.
I thought it was just me that had a bogey on my gaydar.
Translation…
someone*
Well PP never talks about musical intelligence. Which they do test for academically and send you to specialist schools if you want to follow that path.
Apparently Billy Corgan and Pharrell Williams were sent to them. I’m sure there are many others. I only found out about it listening to Howard Stern. I think Alan Greenspan, former Fed Chair, said he studied at the Julliard.
As I’ve said previously musical intelligence is oft correlated with schiz tendencies (i.e. Corgan who is borderline schizoid), good looks and general creativity.
I imagine there must be a bell curve for it, if they can test it. Corgan mentioned he scored ‘genius’ level in the aptitude testing.
And obviously blacks excel in it so that could mean its related to schiz type thinking.
Scriabin is probably the most impressive modern era musician to me. He was schizotypal and was into cults and odd things.
Scriabin also had a rare condition called synaesthesia where he heard colours in the music. People with this condition are generally excellent musicians.
Similarly Warren Buffet’s enhanced quantitative ability is reinforced by a photographic memory.
He was schizotypal, source*
Start from 2 mins in:
I read the BBC refused to play Scriabin for years because his music was considered satanic.
He sadly became a forgotten master…even though he was a major star in his time.
It is certainly very unique.
I believe Scriabin will be rediscovered. His music is perfect for the current times.
Eventually the misery, corruption, decadence and the true extent of Master’s social deviance and intention will pour forth and there will be the last stand of the West and the other free people’s against the satanic forces hinted at by Scriabin.
In case you people haven’t realised, we are currently going through a major intellectual paradigm shift that hasn’t happened since the Enlightenment.
The discussion of Human Biodiversity, The Red Pill of Sexual Desire, the discovery and proof of a Deep State, the unveiled expositions of forgotten history and so on allowed by the internet will in time be referred to as a kind of Dark Enlightenment.
There is something very mystical about the whole phenomenon.
https://pepethefrogfaith.wordpress.com/
I believe this article provides evidence there are ancient forces at work.
In the same way, the Occult has led Master inducing his servants and inner circle to worship Satan in his paedophile cults.
For the past few weeks I wake and turn my head, and Pepe the Frog is staring at me from a neighbor’s window. Not uncoincidentally according to the article.
Kek is the god of the of the unknown and the chaos from the dark before light. Metaphorically, the bringer of truth.
I do think there is something to mysticism and the Occult featured in Scriabin’s work. Not just because the elite have always been fond of it through the centuries in secret (perhaps for attaining abilities and powers, I’m now suspecting are hidden from public knowledge), but also that I’m open to the idea that human beings have abilities and live in a world that is not understood completely with current scientific apparatus and tools. For example, not so long ago lightening was considered bizarre or the world was flat.
It’s possible schizophrenia can cause one to be aware of forces not in your high school textbook.
I must relate when I was younger and before my condition had progressed into chronic levels, I could feel an aura around people and ‘feel’ or sense their place in the world, their mind and their ‘heritage’ for better word. Similarly walking into an old church, or a place or going on holiday I could ‘feel’ the environment’s history.
I’ve lost these abilities due to depersonalisation disorder. I’ve dug around and it seems recent scientific advances in neuroscience and Russian experimental psychiatry have isolated the shutdown of the limbic system as the reason I’ve lost the ability to sense auras.
But most psychiatrists and specialists aren’t even aware of that ability or the mechanism and psychiatric condition that removes it. I assume my schiz neuro profile gave me the ability to sense aura, but the primitive nature of this profile – hyperactive amygdala – in the end threw this function overboard for survival reasons.
^
You’re a lunatic. You need help. Get yourself committed. Hurry!
I believe you! You’re a schizo and you’re bad at math.
I love Scriabin! He’s one of the overlooked “modern” masters. I’ve also read a translation of some of this writings on theosophy and the connection between color and music. Powerful stuff!
Check out the Poem of Ecstasy if you haven’t already.
Actually I meant to post the Divine Poem but both are good.
Yes scriabin seems to have a ‘normal’ romantic period and then morphed into a very gothic surrealist style. No doubt under the influence of his occult interests.
I think the above piece captures a kind of half way house point in time during the transition. Certainly the same Romantic motifs, but something cryptic especially in the first movement.
It reminds me of this place I used to live:
Because I used to listen to him a lot in that period of my life.
Well they call all intellectual pioneers lunatics, don’t they.
Genetic determinists make me laugh. Actually… being non-schizophrenic seems to be a relatively new condition that is only wide-spread in the Western world. There is no way that ancient child-sacrificing people DIDN’T show a certain degree of schizophrenia… also see: Inca, Maya, Phoenicians. That there is a genetic disposition that works within this continuum…. not sure… MAY be possible. But schizophrenia, like most mental disease, is NOT induced by genes or “biochemical imbalance” but by TRAUMA. That is a secret powerful people want to hide from you, since it is a method of controlling people. This goes hand in hand with children “idolizing” their childhood when it was in fact HELL, especially for kids that were smart AND sensitive. Westerners these days are probably less schizophrenic because of improved child raising.
I wonder if there is some sort of rule/law that says that if you mix warrior-herder people with sedentary farmers you will first get a few centuries of absolute madness that goes through such a society (sadism, and so on), that gets then stabilized into something better (see Rome, Greece, Germanics) and then turns into madness again when that balance gets destroyed.
Whatever, Pumpkin Person, like other guys (Cochran, Sailer) it is important to know that mental illness does not truly work that way and explaining it by “evolution” does not really work out from our current body of knowledge… not saying that it is not possible… but right now sociobiology and so on usually fails when it comes to humans. The problem is, you have not talked to mentally ill people. You just assume stuff because of what you have read on the internet.
Yes, you’re right trauma can draw you more onto the left of the curve.
It is a genetic disposition.
Much like homosexuality.
Homosexuality is not a viable reproductive strategy.
But in certain individuals in feminised environments, it can be drawn out as a phenotype and passed on.
Our genes/semen/eggs do evolve as we live and of course pre natally in the womb, the incubation period is very important.
It is an open question whether latency beyond a certain amount would have meant pulling left or being more flagrantly homosexual in almost any environment therefore rendering the distinction moot.
Yup, I agree 100% with The Philosopher’s point. I’ve dealt with a lot of schizophrenics and not once it seemed to me that this guy had lived a “normal” childhood and youth. There is NO determinism in developing such a disease, just genes that can put you into that direction.
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I was hearing Bill Gates speak about combating Ebola and AIDs with his wealth. It should be correct that Mr. Gates is of the autist spectrum, judging by his poor verbal ability like marbles caught inside his mouth while he struggles to articulate. The kind of speech that I hear when I listen to a lot of East Asians speak. Steve Jobs on the other hand was a schizo type who spoke very well, and he wasn’t a programmer like Gates, but a designer and salesman. So yes, the career types associated with the autist and schizo spectrum make a lot of sense. Autists look only at the small details, while schizos look at the whole picture. Autists are not articulate and schizos are very eloquent.
Wait, so how the hell does practice effect work on Similarities and Matrix Reasoning? It’s not like you can just get shit on another day. Or is it like, some people will get a .5 SD increase, while some people won’t? Or, is it that people somehow find the answers?
Good question. Ask me again on Tuesday. Away from my place for the weekend so won’t have access to the study until I return
For me, it is much difficult to believe that two diseases with symptoms so similar (social isolation, eccentric behavior) could be opposites.
The analogy I use is muscle and fat are opposites, yet fat people and muscular people have similar symptoms (high BMI, c take up space, large clothes)