James Flynn discussing the Flynn effect:
One of the biggest mysteries in psychology is the Flynn Effect; the fact that over the 20th century, people have been performing better and better on IQ tests. Of course, the average IQ in Western countries by definition is always about 100, however because people keep scoring higher every decade, the tests routinely have to be made more difficult and the norms must be regularly updated to keep the mean IQ from rising far above 100.
Now if this only happened on culturally loaded tests like General Knowledge and Vocabulary, we could simply conclude that the tests are just culturally biased against past generations who had less access to schooling and media. But some of the biggest gains have been found on tests like the Raven which were explicitly designed to be culture fair.

A sample item from the Raven Matrices. One must complete the pattern above using one of the missing pieces below. For decades this test was considered the gold standard of culture reduced testing.
How big is the Raven adult Flynn effect? About 30 IQ points per century in the Anglo-sphere.
Although some studies show incredibley large Raven gains, such as 7 points per decade, these have only been documented for relatively short intervals (30 years) and tend to be in countries with massive changes in nutrition (Holland). Looking at the Anglosphere, which has been the most important part of the World for the last few centuries, the gains appear to have been 3 points per decade over the 20th century.
In one study (see figure 2) the top 10% of British people born in 1877 (by definition those with IQ’s above 120 for their era) performed the same on the Raven as the bottom 5% of British people born in 1967 (by definition those with IQ’s below 75 for their era). In other words, performance on the Raven had increased by the equivalent of 45 points in less than a century! Of course it wasn’t a level playing field because those born in 1877 took the test when they were a somewhat elderly 65 while those born in 1967 took the test when they were young sharp 25 year olds, however Flynn cites longitudinal studies showing that Raven type reasoning declines by no more than 10 points by age 65. That still leaves us with 35 points to explain.
Another source of inaccuracy was that although the test was not timed for either group, those born in 1877 took the test supervised while those born in 1967 got to take the test home. This could potentially make a large difference; not necessarily because the unsupervised group would cheat, but because they would probably take more breaks since they were in the comfort of their homes. They would probably return to challenging items after they had time to relax and see those items from a fresh perspective, while those who took the test supervised in some strange room were probably more likely to rush through the tasks so they could go home. I would estimate that being allowed to take a test home improves test performance by about 5 IQ points on average, though this is just a guess.
But that still leaves a huge difference of 30 IQ points between 25-year-olds born in 1877 and 25-year-olds born in 1967. That gap is the Flynn effect.
Of course 25-year-olds born in 1967 are 49-years-old today. Have more recent cohorts of 25-year-olds continued to improve on Matrix reasoning problems? To answer this question I turn to the WAIS-IV, normed in 2006. On the Matrix reasoning norms from the WAIS-IV, there’s virtually no difference in performance between those born in 1967 and those born in 1981, despite the fact that the former were older when tested. This suggests the Raven Flynn effect might have slowed for post-1967 birth cohorts.
All together, it looks like Raven scores in the Anglo-sphere have increased by 30 IQ points in over a century (birth cohort 1877 to 1981).
How much of these gains can be explained by nutrition? About 10 IQ points.
The preponderance of evidence suggests that adult brain size has recently increased by about 1.3 SD per century in Europe and North America. A study of identical twins, where one is born malnourished, and the other born healthy, suggests that the malnourished twin’s verbal IQ is unscathed, but her Performance IQ and brain size are both equally stunted. Thus, if Victorians were 1.3 SD stunted in brain size, we might expect them to be 1.3 SD stunted in Performance IQ, but not at all stunted in verbal IQ. I hypothesise this is is probably because the brain evolved to prioritize verbal IQ when nutrients are limited, since humans can survive if they have the verbal IQ to access the group’s cultural knowledge; they don’t need the spatial IQ to reinvent the wheel.
Traditionally Performance IQ tests measured visual and spatial talent, and the ability to manipulate objects (jig-saw puzzles, blocks). By contrast the Raven, despite using the visual medium, emphasizes analogical thinking, not visual-motor abilities and spatial synthesis. Indeed Richard Lynn notes that although malnutrition stunts Raven ability more than it stunts verbal and memory abilities, Raven ability is preserved compared with more traditional Performance IQ tests like Block Design.
So if the Victorians were 1.3 SD stunted in brain size, and if nutritional damage to brain size perfectly matches nutritional damage to Performance IQ, while verbal IQ is completely preserved, with Raven IQ in between both extremes, we might guess that malnutrition stunted Victorian Raven scores by 0.65 SD (half of 1.3 SD and the equivalent of 10 IQ points).
How do we explain the remaining 20 IQ points?
To explain the remaining 20 IQ points of the Flynn effect, in the past I have invoked schooling and socio-economic changes. For example, it’s well known that attending high school, which most Victorians did not do, adds 10 points to your IQ score. And even Jensen admitted that being raised in a higher socio-economic environment (which Victorians also lacked) adds 10 points to IQ (the well-known adoption effect). Of course these cultural effects were thought to vanish by adulthood as genes become more important, but as the Dickens-Flynn model explained, that’s only true within generations, when genes and environment correlate, because genetically advantaged people create cultural advantages, causing cultural effects to become a mere extension of genetic effects.
Within generations, the boats that are naturally tallest, sit on the highest waves, so their extrinsic advantage (wave height) simply multiplies their intrinsic advantage (natural height) causing the latter to seem omnipotent. However between generations, cultural advances are like a rising tide that lifts all boats, as even genetic dullards today enjoy far more schooling and socio-ecomic advantages than many geniuses of past centuries.
But why do cultural advantages improve IQ scores, which are supposed to measure innate ability?
Merely saying that schooling and socio-economic advances improve IQ scores, doesn’t get us anywhere. The question is why. In his book, Does your family make you smarter?, scholar James Flynn seems to hint at two explanations: (1) The brain is like a muscle, and modern culture allows us to exercise it. (2) Modern culture causes us to apply logic to the hypothetical. Although Flynn (if I understood him correctly) seems to lump these two explanations together, I think they are better understood as separate hypotheses.
How much of the gains can be explained by exercising our brain like it were a muscle? Zero points.
In an article in The Irish Times, Flynn writes:
The human brain is like a muscle. Our physical muscles develop in terms of the demands made, compare a weightlifter’s muscles with those of a swimmer. By 1940, most Americans were driving cars and this made new demands on their mapping-skills. These would be reflected in a larger hippocampus, the part of the brain that is the seat of map reading (for example, London taxi divers have very enlarged hippocampuses). Today we are getting automatic guidance systems and these skills will decline. This has nothing to do with better or worse genes but reflects whatever cognitive skills our society asks us to do.
This is an attractive argument, but there are three major problems with it.
1) The effects of cognitive training seem to have very little transfer. So practice navigating a car might, if you’re lucky, make you better at navigating by foot, but it’s unlikely to do much if anything for your other spatial abilities, like solving a jig-saw puzzle on WAIS IQ test. See Why knowledge & education can NOT make you smarter.
2) If the brain really were like a muscle, and the Flynn effect is largely caused by people getting more mental exercise, then we’d expect between generation brain size gains to increase from infancy to adulthood, just as if people today were lifting more weights than Victorians were, we’d expect the inter-generation muscle size gains to increase from infancy (when people don’t lift weight) to adulthood (when years of weight-lifting accumulate).
Instead it’s just the opposite. Scholar Richard Lynn reports huge gains in head circumference in British one-year-olds and British seven-year-olds (1.5 cm and 2 cm in 50 years and given that the SD for head circumference among whites at both ages is 1.5 cm (see table 1 of this paper), that implies a head circumference increase of 2 SD and 2.67 SD per century respectively). However by adulthood, there’s no evidence that head size or brain size has increased by more than 1.3 SD per century in the Western World, and even that might be an overestimate.
3) Lastly, if a large chunk of the Flynn effect really was analogous to newer generations building more muscle, than the gains made from developing cognitive skills would have real World consequences, just as building real muscle has real consequences in terms of strength performance. If staying in school longer was really causing us to exercise our brain’s “abstract reasoning muscles” as measured by tests like the Raven, then shouldn’t we expect even more scientific breakthroughs in abstract fields like math, science, and philosophy? Indeed James Flynn was perhaps the first to state that if the Flynn effect reflected mostly real gains in intelligence, we’d expect “a cultural renaissance too great to be overlooked”. So why now does Flynn compare these mysterious IQ gains to the very real strength gains weight lifters experience? Perhaps scholar Stephen Pinker convinced him we are experiencing such a renaissance?
However according to scholar Charles Murray, human accomplishment has actually declined from 1850 to 1950, and declined even more post-1950. And in the book The Genius Famine, scholars Edward Dutton and Bruce Charlton also argue that “Genius” level achievements are declining. But to the extent that they have not declined (as Pinker argues), this can more than be explained by 1) a 10 IQ point increase in real intelligence caused by nutrition, 2) an increase in mass education, 3) greater population meaning more talent to draw from, and 4) building on the accomplishments of our ancestors. There is simply not enough modern accomplishment leftover to explain, once you factor in these four other factors.
How much can be explained by hypothetical thinking? Perhaps 10 points.
In his TED talk, Flynn cites scholar Luria:
Luria looked at people just before they entered the scientific age, and he found that these people were resistant to classifying the concrete world. They wanted to break it up into little bits that they could use. He found that they were resistant to deducing the hypothetical, to speculating about what might be, and he found finally that they didn’t deal well with abstractions or using logic on those abstractions.
Now let me give you a sample of some of his interviews. He talked to the head man of a person in rural Russia. They’d only had, as people had in 1900, about four years of schooling. And he asked that particular person, what do crows and fish have in common? And the fellow said, “Absolutely nothing. You know, I can eat a fish. I can’t eat a crow. A crow can peck at a fish. A fish can’t do anything to a crow.” And Luria said, “But aren’t they both animals?” And he said, “Of course not. One’s a fish. The other is a bird.” And he was interested, effectively, in what he could do with those concrete objects.
And then Luria went to another person, and he said to them, “There are no camels in Germany. Hamburg is a city in Germany. Are there camels in Hamburg?” And the fellow said, “Well, if it’s large enough, there ought to be camels there.” And Luria said, “But what do my words imply?” And he said, “Well, maybe it’s a small village, and there’s no room for camels.” In other words, he was unwilling to treat this as anything but a concrete problem, and he was used to camels being in villages, and he was quite unable to use the hypothetical, to ask himself what if there were no camels in Germany.
It seems to be that pre-modern people simply didn’t understand the basic rules of taking tests. You must assume that whatever information the tester gives you is true, and you must be willing to take it seriously.
They lived in a World where life depended on solving actual problems, so they couldn’t relate to tests that required them to solve imaginary problems, just to prove they had problem solving ability. But those of us who have been socialized by decades of schooling and educated parents, are quite used to imaginary problems and are quite willing to take them seriously.
But I would call this mere test sophistication. I would not say that training people to solve hypothetical problems has increased real intelligence, because real intelligence, by definition, is the ability to solve real problems. Problems that are not real, are technically not even problems.
Of course to measure one’s ability to solve all types of problems, test makers must create hypothetical problems, but if a test-taker can’t interpret hypothetical situations as actual problems, then he is not necessarily lacking in intelligence, but rather is untestable via hypothetical questions. Such a person could only be tested if we made those hypothetical problems real, like we do when we test animals. We don’t ask a monkey how he would use the bamboo sticks to get the banana, we deny him the banana until he figures out how to get it. We make the hypothetical real, since it’s the only way he’ll take the test.
Writing in The Irish Times, Flynn states:
Scholars mired in the dogma that “real” intelligence cannot increase over time dismiss them as mere skill gains acquired by better education. This is self-defeating. The genetic limitations of our brains were supposed to tell us who was capable of profiting from education. Nothing was more evident to the elite of 1900 that that the masses could never be trained to assume the demanding cognitive roles the elite monopolised at that time. Well, the entire modern world has proved them wrong.
Intellectual progress has brought moral progress. Among school-demanded skills is applying logic to generalised statements and taking the hypothetical seriously. People of the Victorian era saws moral maxims as concrete things, no more subject to logic than any other concrete thing. Unlike us – people of the late 20th and early 21st century educated within an analytic scientific tradition – they would not see hypotheticals as universal criteria to be generalised.
Flynn seems unwilling to make a distinction between a mental skill and intelligence. I think a narrow mental ability is just a skill or a talent. A broader one is intelligence, or at least a major part of intelligence. Clearly the ability to cope with the hypothetical transfers to several different kinds of cognitive tests, so it may at first glance appear to have broad transfer, and thus great adaptive value.
But then we must remember that tests, by definition, are hypothetical problems, so of course an ability to adapt to hypotheticals will enhance hypothetical problem solving, but that tells us nothing about its value to real problem solving.
Perhaps it has made us more intelligent in the cocktail party sense of having deep philosophical or moral views, but in terms of solving actual novel problems, I doubt it’s done much. Why the skepticism? Because we already know nutrition raised real intelligence by 10 points since the Victorian era, and our real world accomplishments are not impressive enough to add any more points to our real intelligence, given all the other advantages of modernity (large population of talent to learn from the past).
But I do agree with Flynn, that hypothetical problem solving is a major cause of the Flynn effect, perhaps equivalent to nutrition (10 points). But I would consider it a learned skill, or trick of the test taking trade, rather than a raw ability that was improved through mental exercise.
Another quote from James Flynn’s TED talk:
My father was born in 1885, and he was mildly racially biased. As an Irishman, he hated the English so much he didn’t have much emotion for anyone else. (Laughter) But he did have a sense that black people were inferior. And when we said to our parents and grandparents, “How would you feel if tomorrow morning you woke up black?” they said that is the dumbest thing you’ve ever said. Who have you ever known who woke up in the morning — (Laughter) — that turned black?
In other words, they were fixed in the concrete mores and attitudes they had inherited. They would not take the hypothetical seriously, and without the hypothetical, it’s very difficult to get moral argument off the ground. You have to say, imagine you were in Iran, and imagine that your relatives all suffered from collateral damage even though they had done no wrong. How would you feel about that? And if someone of the older generation says, well, our government takes care of us, and it’s up to their government to take care of them, they’re just not willing to take the hypothetical seriously. Or take an Islamic father whose daughter has been raped, and he feels he’s honor-bound to kill her. Well, he’s treating his mores as if they were sticks and stones and rocks that he had inherited, and they’re unmovable in any way by logic. They’re just inherited mores. Today we would say something like, well, imagine you were knocked unconscious and sodomized. Would you deserve to be killed? And he would say, well that’s not in the Koran. That’s not one of the principles I’ve got. Well you, today, universalize your principles. You state them as abstractions and you use logic on them. If you have a principle such as, people shouldn’t suffer unless they’re guilty of something, then to exclude black people you’ve got to make exceptions, don’t you? You have to say, well, blackness of skin, you couldn’t suffer just for that. It must be that blacks are somehow tainted. And then we can bring empirical evidence to bear, can’t we, and say, well how can you consider all blacks tainted when St. Augustine was black and Thomas Sowell is black. And you can get moral argument off the ground, then, because you’re not treating moral principles as concrete entities. You’re treating them as universals, to be rendered consistent by logic.
Flynn correctly cites the racism of past generations as evidence of poor reasoning, and yet, as I noted above, he also claimed past generations struggled with generalizing and categorizing (“What do crows and fish have in common?”) and hypothetical syllogisms (“There are no camels in Germany. Hamburg is a city in Germany. Are there camels in Hamburg?”), but what is racism if not the tendency to generalize, categorize and use syllogisms.
To be a racist, you must be good at recognizing who is black, which requires an ability to see common facial, colour and hair traits. It also requires the ability to think syllogistically: “Our new neighbor is black. I don’t like blacks. Therefore, I don’t like our new neighbor”
So clearly, Victorians had the ability to think in these ways, but they could not, or would not, apply that thinking to the hypothetical problems posed on tests or in abstract discussions.
This makes perfect sense. Intelligence evolved to enable us to adapt, to take whatever situation we’re in, and turn it around to our advantage. Thus we are genetically predisposed to use our intelligence to solve practical problems; problems that are actually problems, not the make-believe problems of the Raven.
It is a testament to the decadence of modernity that we have few real problems to solve, so we’re motivated to solve imaginary problems, unlike our ancestors who “would not take the hypothetical seriously” in Flynn’s words.
Note, that even Flynn himself says “would not”, not “could not”. This raises the question, is hypothetical thinking is even a skill, as opposed to merely a motivation? I’ll tentatively assume the former, and consider motivation effects separately.
How much of the gains can be explained by motivation? About 10 points.
On tests like the Raven Progressive Matrices, where focus, persistence and concentration is required, it always seemed like common sense to me that motivation was a major factor.
Particularly in samples where education and socio-economic status is low (as was the case with Victorians), tests like the SPM (Standard Progressive Matrices) and CPM (Colored Progressive Matrices) can be very annoying indeed. Scholar J.P. Rushton et al, reported on giving these tests to the Roma:
Most Roma found the tasks very difficult; some complained of getting a “headache.” They typically asked to stop the test before 30 min. After completing and analyzing 231 sets of scores on the SPM, it was decided to switch to the CPM. The remaining 92 subjects were administered the CPM. Although test-takers seemed to enjoy this version more, they continued to report the task was difficult and gave them a headache.

Some tests require too much focus, causing folks to get a headache or frustrated
Motivation is a very likely explanation for the Flynn effect because Victorians were used to the outdoors, chopping wood and riding horses in the fresh air. Sitting in an office at a desk concentrating on Raven puzzles for an hour must have been most painful indeed. By contrast, modern people have typically spent 13 years in school and work in white collar jobs. We’re used to sitting still and concentrating and are intrinsically motivated to prove we’re smart on standardized tests. We are also more likely to take tests seriously and find them interesting.
The effects of motivation on IQ scores are acute. A “meta-analysis of random-assignment experiments testing the effects of material incentives on intelligence-test performance on a collective 2,008 participants. Incentives increased IQ scores by an average of 0.64 SD, with larger effects for individuals with lower baseline IQ scores.” 0.64 SD equates to 10 IQ points. Further, large incentives produced IQ gains of 1.63 SD (24 IQ points!).
Of course, it’s not as though any extrinsic reward has made modern people more motivated on IQ tests than Victorians were, but growing up with more schooling and socio-economic advantage likely produced a culture where people are more intrinsically motivated to do well on mental tests. This could easily explain 10 points of the Flynn effect, particularly on tests like the Raven that require focused effort.
Conclusion
In the Anglo-sphere, Raven IQ has increased by the equivalent of 30 IQ points since the 19th century. I believe there are three major causes of this increase. (1)Prenatal and perinatal nutrition (including disease reduction) which has also substantially increased brain size. (2) the ability and/or willingness to take hypothetical problems seriously, and (3) the motivation to sit still, focus, persist, and concentrate on boring tests. Each of these factors likely explains about a third of the Raven Flynn effect, though in my view, only the first third (nutrition) should be considered an increase in real intelligence (the mental ability to solve any problem).
While James Flynn correctly asserts that the brain is like a muscle and can get bigger in response to cognitive exercise, most cognitive exercise has extremely narrow effects, and the fact that 20th century brain size gains were largest in early childhood, suggest they are immutable early-life nutritional gains, not the result of decades of mental stimulation.
The real lesson of the Flynn effect is that the Raven Progressive Matrices is NOT a culture reduced test. If culture reduced testing is to continue in the future, we’ll need tests that don’t require hypothetical abstractions, and are also fun and engaging enough to not require persistent motivation. I recommend tests like Digit Span (which shows virtually zero Flynn effect) and Block Design (whose Flynn effect in adults can be 100% explained by the effects of prenatal nutrition on Performance IQ). A properly weighted composite of both tests could have a g loading of 0.8+. Identifying a culture reduced measure of verbal ability remains an interesting challenge.
”Of course, the average IQ in Western countries by definition is always about 100, however because people keep scoring higher every decade, the tests routinely have to be made more difficult and the norms must be regularly updated to keep the mean IQ from rising far above 100.”
This piece may explain important part of this ”mistery”.
Autistics, what i already read, tends to score very well in raven tests.
We are seeing a increase in autism diagnosis.
Many people like to say
”in the past simply no had autism [diagnosis]”
But people ”in the past” (early XX century) knew about the existence of many other mental conditions, that reduced today their incidence, schizophrenia (uncorrelated with bigger brains) for example.
Urbanization and demographic explosion may play a role too.
first period of demographic explosion, we have a greater percent of young people in the demographic layers / pyramid.
the demographic explosion in Europe started during XIX century and finish in many countries after Second War World.
Demographic explosion also mean = increasing of the
mate pattern change after or from urbanization/industrialization*
IN THE END
Flynn Effect may have their relevance
BUT
it’s being used to deceive ”white gullible” that
with a better environment [SPECIALLY] ”black people” will become just like them, ”with the ‘same’ IQ”.
”The real lesson of the Flynn effect is that the Raven Progressive Matrices is NOT a culture reduced test.”
Of course, none test are completely culturaly reduced because culture produce selective pressures, then all changes in human biology are (”indirect”) cultural products just like blue eyes among europeans ARE bio-cultural products… ”sexual selection”
Human races ARE bio-cultural products.
Also, i think one of the most important cognitive ”TESTS” to the humans is to
know, understand their cultures
what many (maybe, most of) westerners don’t know.
inevitably, to know, understand their cultures you need accept that [their] cultures don’t represent with trust the reality but certain particular bio-cultural reality.
Hbd simply despise completely the qualitative/decisive aspect of intelligence, and it make all differences.
most people, specially liberals, simply concluded that ”better nutrition increased ‘intelligence’, aka, IQ”.
Liberals deny the efficiency of the IQ tests when IQ prove that ”blacks tends to score consistently lower than whites, on avg”
But illiberals, as always dishonest, accept absolutely that ”IQ=intelligence mythology” when Flynn Effect supposedly is showing that ”black scores are near to the white scores now”.
unfortunately, many times, ”we” need to know also what is the personal intentions or the level of intellectual honesty of the people, pathetic but important to do.
of course, hbd’s also tends to commit this absolutely common mistakes.
maybe, people who have kids very early in life (~14 year old) can have ”cognitive undeveloped” kids (compared with ‘westerners”) than those who have kids in the ”optimum period”. A long term, this may have a impact OR NOT.
“We are seeing a increase in autism diagnosis.”
It’s increased because of a relaxed definition.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/autism-new-criteria/
Just it?
PP it’s my assumption that Flynn gains by country directly are the result of differences in nutrition. I’m going to take a look at the data this weekend and make a nice post on it.
What are your thoughts on differing nutrition that account for differing Flynn gains in developing countries?
I also love posts like this in contrast to your Oprah obsession. I’d love to see more evolution stuff from you too. You’re a great writer and have great ideas. But diversify what you write about!! There’s tons of things you can write on and I’d love to see commentary from you on.
Specifically the paper I showed you last night on CLASH.
Hard to say. In countries where Flynn gains parallel height gains then nutrition is obviously a factor, but nutrition gains seldom happen in a vacuum. They’re accompanied by cultural gains (getting more schooling and being raised by more educated parents) and these also hugely affect IQ scores (though not real intelligence in my opinion)
The problem with explaining the Flynn effect entirely in terms of nutrition is that nutrition has a real impact on the physical brain. If the Flynn effect were 100% nutritional, it would imply Victorians really did have real IQs of 70. Does it make sense that one of the most innovative centuries in history was full of retardates? No it does not. Thus I think only 1/3rd of the Flynn effect is biologically caused (real), and that’s all we can expect from the brain size gains.
Much more plausible causes for the Flynn effect are things that prop up IQ scores without increasing real intelligence (schooling, educated parents).
“Hard to say. In countries where Flynn gains parallel height gains then nutrition is obviously a factor, but nutrition gains seldom happen in a vacuum. They’re accompanied by cultural gains (getting more schooling and being raised by more educated parents) and these also hugely affect IQ scores (though not real intelligence in my opinion)”
I would imagine there is a relationship between better nutrition in 3rd world countries and their IQ gains. But pp. It seems there is a chicken and egg problem. Did industrialization cause better nutrition? Or did nutrition cause better industrialization? Nutrition is key to intelligence and reaching genotypic intelligence. I think begged nutrition caused a slightly better society in comparison to what it was before. Then, after the better nutrition then came being more educated and getting more schooling. Kinda hard to go to school when you aren’t eating well. Kinda hard to go to school when the average person is nutrient deficient.
“The problem with explaining the Flynn effect entirely in terms of nutrition is that nutrition has a real impact on the physical brain. If the Flynn effect were 100% nutritional, it would imply Victorians really did have real IQs of 70. Does it make sense that one of the most innovative centuries in history was full of retardates? No it does not. Thus I think only 1/3rd of the Flynn effect is biologically caused (real), and that’s all we can expect from the brain size gains.”
I don’t think it’s 100 percent nutritional in nature, however a lion’s share of the upward tick in intelligence is due to this variable. Have you seen that brain size is decreasing? This has to do with the dysgenic effect of Idiocracy.
It doesn’t make sense that the Victorians had 70 IQ. However innovations and the like only come from a small portion of the upper class, who had all of the amenities to reach their generic ceiling (I assume).
“Much more plausible causes for the Flynn effect are things that prop up IQ scores without increasing real intelligence (schooling, educated parents).”
Since the industrial revolution, this has occurred. Better nutrition due to mechanization allowed for better nutrition. This then allowed for more innovation due to more brain power due to no longer being deficient in nutrients.
I’m not claiming that 100 percent of the Flynn Effect is due to nutrition, but with what I know about nutrition and how different macros and micros affect the brain, it’s extremely plausible that differences in Flynn gains mirror differences in nutrition since the industrial revolution.
the answer is 7 (or at least that’s the pattern i see), but it’s interesting…i thought the rpm’s relations were always horizontal, so to say, whereas this one has a vertical component.
I wonder if the Flynn effect was stronger on items involving both vertical & horizontal.
Past generations, with less schooling and computer experience, may not be used to thinking in terms of columns and rows.
…and tend to be in countries with massive changes in nutrition (Holland)…
dear God peepee is retarded.
flynn made the point that the dutch famine had ZERO effect.
That means nothing. What effect did the famine have on brain size? Also zero?
Pumpkin, did you used to post on the now defunct [redacted]? Just curious because your posting style seems very similar. Some very interesting conversations about IQ there.
[pp sept 29, 2016, name of defunct forum redacted for privacy reasons]
OMG Joe, good to find you again after all these years!
I redacted the name of the board where we posted for obvious reasons (trying to keep a low profile), but I’m so glad you found this blog. You were one of my absolute favorites from back in the day. Hope you stick around.
Wow, it has been a long time. More than 10 years! I was sure it had to be you given the posting style and topics of interest. You were my favorite poster there as well. We covered some fascinating topics in our discussions — everything from psychometrics to theism. Great blog BTW, I will certainly be checking in from time to time. Cool to find you again.
Joe
Oh yes the theism debate that I refused to let die, much to my chagrin.
To this day you’re the only person I’ve ever seen give a coherent rebuttal against atheism, at least one that made sense to me.
Those were the good old days.
I was equally stubborn …lol. Spending many nights discussing/debating with you instead of working on my dissertation 🙂 Fun times.
Care to give the rebuttal against atheism? I’m interested.
I second that. I have yet to hear a decent rebuttal from thiests
Racerealist, one thing to keep in mind was that the discussion was probably a dozen years ago (at least) and spanned several pages. It would be difficult to for me to reproduce it here, but if memory serves, our difference of opinion was on a few subtle points. PP was arguing in favor of atheism, and I was arguing in favor of agnosticism. Our views actually weren’t too far apart.
Yes, if I recall my argument was that agnosticism was hypocritical, because we’re not agnostic about other mythical beings like the Easter Bunny and Santa, simply because we can’t categorically debunk them. We rightly dismiss them as having no evidence.
Joe’s argument (as I understand it from memory) was that God is different from other myths, superstitions and crazy theories, because God by definition created the universe, so by definition, he’s not bound by its logical rules.
That was just the starting point of the debate, and I’m probably not doing Joe’s argument justice, but it was the first time I began to see agnosticism as a rational opinion. Before that, I had always assumed agnostics just didn’t get it.
Imho agnosticism is the only rational reaction to the concept of god. If you cant prove or disprove it, why even bother? Th e idea of a maximal being with infinite complexity and omnipotence sounds far more plausible than a fat guy delivering presents to 7 billion people in less than 24 hours.
[redacted] = grinder for lesbians.
good on peepee.
she’s made “the leap”.
to be a great thinker is to make a leap. marx made the leap first. peepee has followed. but because peepee thinks marx was a “marxist”, and because she doesn’t read books, she will deny that she has become a marx-ist.
amazing what happens when you read a book…isn’t it peepee?
read this…and understand it!
Will you join in our crusade?
Who will be strong and stand with me?
…
What leap are you referring to specifically?
that man does not only create things through labor.
he also creates himself.
this is the obvious truth yet is antithetical to greg the super nerd clark’s idea that the industrial revolution happened as a result of genetic changes…
and to prof shoe the super stupid’s and prof cockring the super stupid’s claim that IQ has changed since the stone age as a result of genetic changes…even though brains have shrunk.
it’s so fucking retarded it’s hard to explain how retarded it is.
the very idea of IQ is recent to the human experience.
and to prof shoe the super stupid’s and prof cockring the super stupid’s claim that IQ has changed since the stone age as a result of genetic changes…even though brains have shrunk.
So you believe that if we cloned a random sample of Cro-Magnon’s and raised them in modernity, they’d score the same on IQ tests as modern Europeans?
the very idea of IQ is recent to the human experience.
The idea of using intelligence for anything other than survival is very new. So people today can’t relate when I say intelligence is the mental ability to adapt; because they’ve never had to use their wits to adapt to anything of consequence. They’ve always been sheltered, so for them intelligence is just about doing their math homework.
Meanwhile pre-modern people never had the luxury of math homework. For them intelligence was only about life or death adaptation. They can’t relate to tests requiring them to adapt to the trivial.
but the stupidity results from at least two tacit assumptions…
1. taking all of the man-made for granted, as if it had always been there, as if it were part of nature, like trees and wild animals and the tides.
2. who one is is independent of his time and place and peculiar experience. it’s hard and obnoxious for people of limited intelligence like shoe and cockring to imagine they could ever have been any one other than who they are.
technology doesn’t just appear.
it has its own history, one discovery after another. each building on the last.
language is also a technology, though it is seldom regarded as such.
so it may be that since cro-magnon and with the printed word there has been selection for VIQ and thus IQ also.
this could be tested. do people who a generation ago spoke some primitive language have low VIQs?
and are there really any primitve languages? melanesians may have had no words for the “cargo” that fell from the sky in ww ii, but perhaps they had words for things which english does not…like a very large vocabulary for various plants. this is what dan everett found with the piraha.
Flynn seems unwilling to make a distinction between a mental skill and intelligence.
because such a distinction can be made in thought/theoretically…
but in reality it may not be a distinction.
My father was born in 1885…
dear God. his father was old.
St Augustine was NOT black…
so now i know james flynn is RETARDED or he’s a LIAR or BOTH.
Flynn is EXTREMELY bright and very moral.
Only two possibilities for Flynn
Clever silly (clever to say what people today want to hear and earn $$ and status with this dishonesty)
“Extremely brighter”, not enough to accept the obvious, constant since a long time cognitive discrepancies between whites and blacks and understand that he don’t need to be racist because he accept the truth.
But not…
Clever silly
“extremely brighter”
Or not
There is something that is impossible to deny
He’s a “white gullible”
A brave clever 🍕
I clearly see your point, PP! . So nice of you. Luria…. Rural Russians, playing with similarities…. A video subtitled in Russian… The post is dedicated to me! Thank you very much 🙂 🙂
You’re welcome 🙂
To thank for such a gentle gesture I am gonna post results of my ‘ research’.)) I haven’t done it yet firstly because it is not clear if this can be really interesting/useful and ,secondly, I feel that guys on here deserve something better than my Runglish
I will do it anyway, step-by-step. To be continued…
I recommend tests like Digit Span (which shows virtually zero Flynn effect) [and which has the lowest g loading of all wechsler subtests. and is included in the wechsler only for the purpose of diagnosing ADD. and is CLEARLY a culturally loaded test. the cultural loading is literacy. even though the test is auditory. and arithmetic?]and Block Design (whose Flynn effect in adults can be 100% explained by the effects of prenatal nutrition on Performance IQ). A properly weighted composite of both tests could have a g loading of 0.8+.[where did peepee get this 0.8? her ass?]
Backwards Digit Span has a g loading of 0.6. Blocks has a g loading of 0.7. A multiple regression equation predicting g from both would correlate 0.8 with g given the low correlation between the subtests.
Ideally digit span could be given with nonsense words to avoid the English numeracy bias
Let’s call it pathetically:: RAVEN. The mystery of the ceiling … And beyond
Thanks for this excellent post, PP. I learned a lot from it.
Thanks for this excellent post, PP. I learned a lot from it.
You’re very welcome!
Im actually very sceptical of the idea that technological and scientific growth is stunted. New “breakthroughs” are relatively non existant because there is simply less to discover. Ideas are more interconnected now and reduced in nature. You can only invent a revolutionary concept or product once. All creations are built upon ancestral work that had been accumulated over centuries of time. Someone invented the wheel, then a few millenia of improvements later created the car but they didnt reinvent the wheel they just created a new metabolic system for transportation. As our understanding of the world increases so will the cognitive demand required for creative solutions to our new modern problems. On another note i thought brainsize was decreasing throughout the world?
http://www.evoanth.net/2014/03/13/our-brain-is-shrinking-but-our-frontal-lobe-is-growing/
http://www.evoanth.net/2013/08/02/4023/
Our brains are shrinking.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-have-our-brains-started-to-shrink/
So then doesn’t that mean this post is somewhat redundant? Im confused. He had source that stated the opposite but im sceptical of it’s conclusions.
The human brain started shrinking 20,000 years ago. There are several explanations that make sense to me
1) absolute brain size is less relevant to intelligence than brain size relative to body size. As we became more gracile, we needed less brain mass to coordinate our smaller bodies.
2) the shift to agriculture caused massive malnutrition which both stunted our bodies and our brains
3) the end of the ice age meant we didn’t need to be as smart to survive
4) the end of the ice age meant there was more selection against oversized heads which overheat in warmer climates
5) advances in culture and social organization meant we didn’t need to be as smart to survive. We could rely on cultural knowledge and group safety nets
6) with the post-agriculture population boom, the odds of new mutations for brain efficiency suddenly began to increase. These made it possible for nature to select for more intelligence, without also selecting for metabolically expensive and physically burdensome huge brains.
However thanks to better nutrition (including the prevention of diseases which rob the body of nutrients), brain size has actually dramatically increased in the last 150 years, though it has not returned to Cro-Magnon levels.
1) actually one of my links showed that body mass is decreasing at a slower rate than brains are so EQ is lowering as well
3 ) i dont think colder environments are harder to survive in, as ive probably said countless times, however i do think warmer conditions did play a role in the incremental decreases we see. In fact the end of the ice age may have made us smarter, there were population booms and human intelligence was no longer focused on surviving but instead cultural complexity, art and symbolism
4) i understand that it sounds repetitive but you must be able to relate to my logic here, human intelligence and by extension brainsize is mostly through sociality and since africans are obviously the most social, i think the discrepencies between geographical populations is best explained by either two concepts 1) the discrepancies are modern and the fact that europeans induatrialized first caused crucial brain mutations that give them and asians a head start in IQ or 2) cold environment plus neanderthal admixture caused a proper balance to strike between the african verbal intelectual fluency and the spatial abilities required for the bitter cold i am inclined to believe the later, but if there is fossil evidence of african hominids with brain sizes at least near to cr magnons (controlling for neanderthal ancestry) than the former becomes much more plausible.
5) our entire technological evolution has been almost completely driven by social safety nets and cultural learning.
Just because social complexity played a major role in the evolution of human intelligence, doesn’t mean there weren’t major non-social selection pressures too. Just the fact that humans became bipedal, freeing the hands for tool use, obviously caused great selection for technological abilities needed to hunt, kill, and create clothing and shelter, and selection for these abilities would have only multiplied in cold climates we weren’t used to.
If you reject the idea that cold winters select for intelligence, you might as well reject HBD period, because that’s its #1 rationale.
Oh of course there were other selections driving encephalization, that’s what im saying, sociality became the lesser of two forces when we migrated north..and this caused a balance between abilities. Trying to use eurasians as evidence of cold induced intellectual selection is fallacious . If you truly want to know what the cold does to hominids just take a look at Neanderthals
Im confused here are you suggesting a need for tool use drove bipedalism? Because the earliest stone tools appear millions of years after bipedalism already arose. However in your defense, orangutans are the most bipedal of the great apes and this is because walking on two legs is incredibly useful for thin branches where the ripest fruit hangs.
I dont reject that, i reject HOW it selects for it. Imo using the concept of “cold winters are harder to survive thats why eurasians are smarter” is the most oversimplified, retarded shit ive ever heard
The biggest selection on intelligence was climate, after that was sexual.
“Im confused here are you suggesting a need for tool use drove bipedalism? ”
When man became upright (we don’t know of the LCA but we can draw inferences), that freed the hands for tool use. The LCA probably, at times, walked on two legs but it still climbed trees and all that good stuff. Tool use then bipedalism didn’t come first, it’s reversed.
I don’t’ remember off the top of my head when bipedalism and tools came in the human record, let me check my book and I’ll get back to you.
“Imo using the concept of “cold winters are harder to survive thats why eurasians are smarter” is the most oversimplified, retarded shit ive ever heard”
Bigger brained babes are born more helpless. Bigger brains are needed to care more for helpless babes. Conversely, Africans had smaller brains whose children are born more mature thus they didn’t need the bigger brains the Eurasians had.
https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2016/05/28/human-intelligence-child-rearing-and-rk-selection-theory/
To race realist,
Regarding bipedalism, research I’ve done of ape/human differentiation find that it occurred in the stages of apes being originally tree climbers and when he became ground adapted we splitted into two groups, knuckle walkers and bipedal apes.
This has been postulated by noting the stronger continuity in spine and hand structure between orangutans and early hominids compared to chimps and gorillas.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/05/070531150326.htm
There were actual notions that because of the stronger continuity that orangutans were actually closer than chimps, but that wouldn’t make sense because in terms of hand structure (finger length), body structure, and skull structure chimps are obviously closer even without looking at dna.
What this does suggest though that ancestral great apes were like more orangutans and the human lineage carries those certain traits more than chimps.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/06/090623-humans-chimps-related.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1350807/How-humans-97-orangutans-New-research-shows-DNA-matches.html
http://www.uprightape.net/Image_Pages/UA_Fig10-6_SchultzVitruv.html
http://www.becominghuman.org/node/news/earliest-stone-tool-evidence-revealed
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/becoming-human-the-evolution-of-walking-upright-13837658/?no-ist
The Smithsonian article though presents some unreliable assertions, as a commenter “Est Ban” pointed out.
Around the same time apparently of the article, this was released. http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0009769
Your ideas on tools do make sense, as the reason of it being rejected on account of earlier evidence of bipedalism being “earlier” were really baseless.
You have it backwards friend. Most of human evolution was in africa so sexual selection, mutation rate, and species turnover rate were the dominating factors behind encephalization.
First evidence of bipedalism was 4.2 to 3.9 mya while tool use is 3.4 mya i think it started in the trees, Orangutans will walk on two legs if the branch is thin enough and they are the most intelligent of the great apes.
R/ k selection is irrelevant, and as i said before, using modern eurasians as a model for cold adaptation is fallacious.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/08/100811135039.htm
http://efossils.org/book/fossil-evidence-bipedalism
https://www.google.com/amp/phys.org/news/2009-07-orangutans-unique-movement-tree-tops.amp?client=ms-android-boost-us
http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/uk_news/article63168.ece
http://rstb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/367/1599/2130
You have it backwards friend. Most of human evolution was in africa so sexual selection, mutation rate, and species turnover rate were the dominating factors behind encephalization.
First evidence of bipedalism was 4.2 to 3.9 mya while tool use is 3.4 mya i think it started in the trees, Orangutans will walk on two legs if the branch is thin enough and they are the most intelligent of the great apes.
Just because tool use predated bipedalism, doesn’t mean bipedalism didn’t great intensify selection for tool using abilities since it freed up the hands. Those primates who could use tools to get food and kill rivals and predators probably were better able to feed themselves and their offspring than those who could not.
Pumpkin person
“Just because tool use predated bipedalism, doesn’t mean bipedalism didn’t great intensify selection for tool using abilities since it freed up the hands. ”
Well if that’s all you were saying then I agree but, I was just saying tool use didn’t start bipedalism just like I don’t think being in an open Savannah caused bipedalism. Walking on two legs is definitely an advantage in an open grassland environment and it frees up your hands but none of the evidence supports these two concepts as the initial causation of bipedal movement. Primitive bipedalism started in the trees and then became a major advantage once the environment started becoming more dry and once we were in the savannah, tool use become a must have for our species to survive. Chimps use tools and do not walk on two legs.
Race realist,
What do you think of the Aquatic Ape hypothesis?
PumpkinPerson:
First off, it’s impossible to know exactly what selected for bipedalism. But most evidence supports the idea that regularly standing upright and walking made it easier for early humans to find food more effectively that was occurring at the time that humans and chimps diverged (Lieberman, 2013: 40).
We don’t know what the LCA looked like nor how it lived or moved, but by making inferences to what we know, we can say that it was big. The LCA probably was most likely a fruit eater as well. So some walking on two legs would help it find food better.
Another reason why bipedalism got selected for was because walking on two legs conserved energy while traveling. The LCA most likely walked on its knuckles which expends more energy. Human walking conserves 75 percent more energy than walking on all fours (1). Basically, we could walk further with using less energy. I don’t even need to say what that means. (Lieberman, 2013: 42)
And PP now this part pertains to you:
Let me quote Lieberman:
The best evidence we have suggests that bipedalism evolved during the climate change so early hominins could acquire ‘fallback foods’ like fibrous plant roots and the like. It’s seen in the dental record that teeth with smaller canines to chew tougher food. There is also evidence that bipedalism is a postural adaptation.
(1) http://www.pnas.org/content/104/30/12265.abstract
Stone tools appear millions of years after</em? bipedalism evolved. Bipedalism evolved, in my opinion, as a postural adaptation as well as to better find these ‘fallback foods’ when early Man couldn’t eat his regular diet.
They definitely could.
To Melo,
Orangutans, while likely having adaptation similar to hominids to bipedlism, are truly bipedal in the sense of ground adaptation.
That would be Bonobos but I get what you’re saying.
To Melo,
As for cold winter theory, I think overall the correlation isn’t simply intelligence but rather how the cold influences K selection and how intelligence influences that.
Another thing to note is how in a cold environment, you would be limited in the type of food to eat, meaning more reliance on hunting rather than gathering due to vegetation being more scarce compared to warmer, tropical climates.
Melo I think it’s garbage. It assumes that a lack of fur is a characteristic of aquatic mammals. Don’t even get me started on their body fat claims. Bipedalism is a land adaptation and not for water. Voluntary breathing control? I mean, I guess but it’s not like we have conscious control over our breathing (we don’t. it just happens).
https://skeptoid.com/episodes/4357
It’s trash. It makes no sense with what we know about human evolution.
PP please approve my comment I just left 5 minutes ago.
“Orangutans, while likely having adaptation similar to hominids to bipedlism, are truly bipedal in the sense of ground adaptation.”
I think you mean “are not”? And yes I’m aware, Orangutans are not fully bipedal but they are the most bipedal in skeleton shape and the most arboreal of the great apes.
Also Melo as I’ve just said, stone tool use appears millions of years AFTER bipedalism. Bipedalism occurred first and the best guess we have is that at the time of the human/chimpanzee divergence, standing on two legs allowed for finding fallback foods during the climate shift that was occurring as the two species split.
Well, they present a decent case but it’s filled with half truths. The biggest blow to their argument is the fact that most fossil evidence has not been found in the water, even though the water is much better for fossilization. However If all they’re trying to say is the humans love the water then I agree, we are very recreational with water and probably always have been and certain seafood like fish and shellfish, provided the extra nutrients(like iodine) for brain growth. So I guarantee we were diving and wading in shallow water but I don’t think it is an explain all for every trait. I’m not sure how accurate this chart is: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/91/Human_Aquatic_Adaptations.png
Yes I agree with this.
See also here: http://www.unz.com/akarlin/intro-apollos-ascent/
The cognitive threshold needed to push out the technological frontier is continuously increasing.
Ok, let’s start with a claim that the RSPM test is, in some sense, superior to many other measures of nonverbal intelligence. It works very well, and one can see why. A word ‘ progressive’ reflect something real and important. The test is not just a set of items put in order of increasing difficulty, but a kind of journey for a testee with different series of items. In each you face one general rule behind the items, you are going from the simplest item to the hardest one, then you get to a higher level , a new set of items , where you have to start with an easy, user-friendly problem, “explaining” new rules without words. With this process of self-learning, a testee opens his capacity gradually and to the most. Inflation of the test throughout the history is, indeed, a loss for psychometrics
This is widely accepted that in Western world nowadays the ceiling of the test(for adults) is roughly at 98%. Sometimes, however, we see surprising data (for instance, I remember some Dutch article, where the author, in apologetic tone, was reporting that in his sample women reach the perfect score (60/60) as rarely as 1 per a few hundreds)
But why should we trust to unknown Dutch? Let’s go to the country of wise Luria, full of mysterious crows, fish and camels – the home of RuralRuski… (to be continued)
to be continued)
I love a cliff-hanger 🙂
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I don’t know if I posted this. Not only is the French Canadian province, the region with the highest IQ, they are the happiest.
English speaking provinces, which also put an emphasis on consumption like America are the unhappiest, and they attract groups like East Asians and Jews, who are both very money driven. No surprise to anyone here.
I think you might be right about the French having the highest IQs in Canada, though you should post stuff like this in the open thread. That’s what it’s there for 🙂
I think french and english tend to differ more not only in IQ but in the mechanicist—mentalistic spectrum. French tends to be inclined to philosophy, arts, culinary, archicteture, ”feminine” things OR cognitively feminine things, ”think about people or beings — and their interaction with environment”, while english has been more inclined to the ”cognitively masculine” things, ”think about things”.
Of course, it doesn’t mean that french or english people ”will be” always like that.
a-v-e-r-a-g-e-s
Industrialization make Britain look more ”masculine” than France**
Interestingly, Germany, Italy and Spain also tends to have a ambiguous national/cultural gender. Germany, just like a ”more-NW inclined” than France. France is one of the most culturally mixed country in Europe because its privileged and complex geographical position (one of the biggest countries in Western Europe).
Nations wich are more economically succesfull in my opinion tends to ”look” more ”masculine” in cognitive terms.
Russia and United States look like new and big Sparta’s while Russia still have a great presence of mentalistic traits expressed via literature, paintings, philosophy, architecture.
Athens, based on this spectrum was more mentalistic/”cognitively feminine” while Sparta, seems obvious, was more primary/primitive mechanicist, maybe, less in cognitive aspect, and more in psychological aspect.
You can be more cognitively feminine and psychologically masculine or vice versa.
How is the current American environment economically successful?
The key point is being happy, which most Americans are not. Canada is one of the top ten nations that are the happiest. America ranks no. 13. Spain ranks in the 30s, but it’s a Southern Euro nation, with surprisingly higher GDP per capital than the USA, longer life expectancy than the USA, and better social support than the USA. The USA scores higher, because it has more freedom for a nation with no sense of direction or cultural unity.
Ironically, many Americans romanticize about the French. Stupid, if you ask me. And the current culture of hustling for a lot of money in America, is heading towards less significance, because of technology and globalization.
”How is the current American environment economically successful?”
First superpower since the end of first world war.
The current economic american landscape maybe is less succesfull than in the past but i’m looking for the whole american history.
If USA had growing economically (expanding, as in the past) maybe it could result in dramatic ecological scenarios but in the hands of so-called (((hb-d–celebrated vipers))), don’t worry, because if this big nation in the past no had self-control, imagine today.
USA is just like a high-functioning psychopath, without control, who already did many stupid things in the past and today is suffering retaliations.
”The key point is being happy, which most Americans are not. Canada is one of the top ten nations that are the happiest.”
Maybe the stress that is required to the common worker to sustain a collossus like USA is higher than to sustain Canada.
American culture is worked in the binary idea of ”winner/loser” and most of americans are
less ”winner”
or
simply ”loser”
based on jewish/material criteria.
Seems, canadian culture is less competitive.
Competion make people constantly hyper-alert, less relaxed, greedy, always dissatisfied.
”America ranks no. 13. Spain ranks in the 30s, but it’s a Southern Euro nation, with surprisingly higher GDP per capital than the USA, longer life expectancy than the USA, and better social support than the USA.”
You’re comparing nations based on current context where many americans, namely white people, will be less happy in contrast to the older generations.
Other problem is: idea of hapiness may varies across different countries.
Same for Spain, current context and idea of hapiness.
People, may, tends to answer in the heat of the moment and not based on long-term comparisons.
”The USA scores higher, because it has more freedom”
Yes, i agree, i think ‘freedom’ is a factor too.
But i think people with immigrant background or non-wasp background will be more prone to answer positively in USA.
”…for a nation with no sense of direction or cultural unity.”
absolutely agree.
Yes, essentially lower IQ individuals from non-white nations find America agreeable, based on the “freedom” factor, which gives these people freedom to start businesses, work all kinds of jobs and live anywhere, and perhaps engage in petty criminal activity and not get in trouble. The freedom criteria is different for Spain, because we are dealing with a more established, talented and capable demographic than those newly arrive non-white immigrants in America.
JS,
i’m trying to understand why, seems, many people in Spain with higher educational degrees display ”anti-semitic” (realpolitikally realistic) point of views than in ”Anglo-sphere) where most of the people with higher educational degrees (as well in nordic-based nations) tends to have opposite pattern.
Maybe the greater presence of jews as well transnational citizens in the american universities may can have a impact*
not-so the same scenario in ScandiNAIVEa…
Jews have the upper hand in the western world and what (((they)) do*
Kill the chicken with gold eggs, aka, white-hosts…
stupidity ”or” madness**
you choice…
The spanish have a lot of berber and north african ancestry, hence the darker features and innate low empathy.
Countries committed to excellence, unity and order, seem not to like Jews. Jews are a messy people, as one can see not only from their low visual spatial designs, but their policies.
The Japanese are quite anti-Jew, if you compare them to the Chinese, who seem to admire them. The Japanese are committed to perfection and higher calling like the Aryan nations. Anglo nations being the most exceptional and regulate themselves to less perfection, where they welcome Jew dysfunction.
Not just Spaniards, but all of Southern Europe have lower empathy levels, yet they have better policies in regards to multiculturalism.
And Santo, Southern Europe have dealt with Jews more effectively. Quite ironic, given Southern Europeans’ propensity for nationalism.
Spain ruthlessly forced Jews to convert to Catholicism, and those who refused, were kicked out of the country.
Italy has had a substantial Ashkenazi population in the past, and most of them assimilated into mainstream Italian society. It just happened naturally.
Greece had a Sephardic community coming from Spanish persecution. They lived in their own communities, but many eventually assimilated into mainstream Greek society. I met Greeks who had Jewish ancestors. It’s quite strange.
Northern Euros are seen as failures in regards to the Jewish problem. Germany is a very good example. The Germans were reluctant to do anything about the Jews, and eventually they allowed them to assimilate, and when they became very assimilated, they were dealt with strong hostility. So Germans are a big failure in this regard.
One point that people do not notice is that Jews are more closely related to Southern Euros, than Northern Euros, so there is a connection. But the hatred of Jews in Southern Euro is stronger among their elite than the Northern Euros — the only reason I can think of, is nationalism.
And Jorge Videla has said that Southern Euros are more effective in dealing with people different from them than Northern Euros. Northern Euros are slightly better than blacks, when it comes to dealing with other groups of people. Ironically, Northern Euro and Anglo nations are more multicultural, not because by design, but by fault.
Again this fantasy.
I don’t think is exactly like that.
.
Sephardic seems less sociopathic than their cousins ashkrnazis. I really don’t know what really happened in this places you cited. New Christian Jews converted to the Christianiism and nothing more?? They stay quiet since this event??
In Turkey a lot of crypto Jews has take the power, Ataturk for example. Seems.
Jews “assimilate” in Germany in a very bad way, as today is happening again in USA and other places, UK, France, etc
You’re reducing centuries of conflict like the Reconquista in the compact and triumphant Spanish narrative.
” Spain assimilates much better Muslims and Jews”
Than
“Iberian territory was invaded and controlled during all European middle ages. After Reconquista need to do something with this Foreigners” living in their territory”
The first question is
“why assimilation is imperative”?? It’s imperative, absolutely necessary?”
Why “Spain” need force the convertion OR expulsion of their Sephardic population??
If no had conflict before this forced en masse convertions no had been necessary, isn’t??
Conversions and not cinvertions
Is not
”Southern european nations have better policies against en mass immigration = less immigrants”
BUT
”Southern european nations have lower standard living so immigrants prefer northern european nations”
race realist explain better to you… about correlation or causalities.
”Epicenter of jewish retarded activities is deslocated to central and northern european nations”
Spain have extremely lower fertility rates as well Italy, Greece and Portugal, and higher immigration rates, less now because economic crisis.
Don’t appear that multiculti and post-modernity has affected less southern european countries.
And a lot of stupid jewish ideas (designed to the dowbling down western cultures) has been easily adopted by ”smart fractions” of the southern european nations.
and yes, southern european tends to have lower empathy, but i think it’s a common defect not just among them but general, among humans.
Then I don’t really know. It’s almost a chicken or egg scenario.
Jews themselves have said Southern Euro was more conducive to their existence. It was an assimilationist society. The Roman Empire was assimilationist. What were Nordics, Anglos and Northern Euros during the Roman times? They were barbarics to Romans, and perhaps more barbaric than Jews.
Perhaps, Northern Euros’ failure to successfully assimilate Jews, has lead to the problems we find today with their multicult societies, with Jews being the most sociopathic. Everything is reactionary, instead of assimilationist.
You explain further…
Nordic, Anglo Saxonic and Germanic…3 barbaric groups during the Roman Empire.
”Then I don’t really know. It’s almost a chicken or egg scenario.”
About what*
”Jews themselves have said Southern Euro was more conducive to their existence.”
Or they are not important anymore if the epicenter of capitalism has deslocated from Lisbon, to Amsterdam, Berlin, London… and now NY (JY).
” It was an assimilationist society. The Roman Empire was assimilationist. What were Nordics, Anglos and Northern Euros during the Roman times? They were barbarics to Romans, and perhaps more barbaric than Jews.”
Really**
I think it was the otherwise.
Romans was much more ”barbaric”, evil with other people (Gaules, dracians, etc) than the otherwise.
So-called ”barbaric” people on the northern europe, seems, much less barbaric than people think…
well, Roman Empire was pretty similar with USA anglo prole today, a roman prole.
Do you can see similarities between them* 😉
”Perhaps, Northern Euros’ failure to successfully assimilate Jews, has lead to the problems we find today with their multicult societies, with Jews being the most sociopathic.”
Jews allies with local elites and start multiculturalism to the Kalergi plan: slow genocide of the white european peoples.
”Everything is reactionary, instead of assimilationist.
You explain further…”
I don’t think everything is reactionary, but can be…
Are Jews sociopathic as a reactionary symptom or inherently sociopathic?
Unlike the Sephardim which mostly in Spain, Italy had a large Askhenazi population for many centuries and they were almost completely assimilated. Italy also had many centers of commerce in the past. Rome, Florence and Venice were a few to name.
Jewish Lisbon and Amsterdam were Sephardic based, not Ashkenazi.
London and Berlin attracted Ashkenazi Jews, yes, it was where the money is, and sociopathic tendencies are concentrated mostly in the centers of wealth. But you’ll see, the Northern Euros are complete failures of assimilation. Sociopathy are greater in these areas than the Southern powers of wealth, more so….not just with Jews, but with other groups, who are also troublesome. And history has shown that Jews had a harder time in Northern Euro.
I believe the inferiority of culture of Northern Euros – are more susceptible of Jewish ideas.
And with or without Joos, Northern Euro is a mess, albeit smaller mess than Anglo countries, which are the most dysfunctional. But a big mess culturally than Southern Euro.
Exactly JS. They looked at them as savage barbarians. They would have taken much longer to get off the ground without that.
”Are Jews sociopathic as a reactionary symptom or inherently sociopathic?”
Reactionary symptom is what Vthey want we believe… that is justifiable.
”Unlike the Sephardim which mostly in Spain, Italy had a large Askhenazi population for many centuries and they were almost completely assimilated.”
I think Italy had a specific jewish populations, nor ashkenazi, nor sephardic, who are originally iberian in geographical localization.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Jews
”Jewish Lisbon and Amsterdam were Sephardic based, not Ashkenazi.”
Yes, and*
in the end, all of them were jews.
”London and Berlin attracted Ashkenazi Jews, yes, it was where the money is, and sociopathic tendencies are concentrated mostly in the centers of wealth. But you’ll see, the Northern Euros are complete failures of assimilation.”
Really**
In United States today the % of intermarriage between jews and non-jews is higher.
Same in Germany, Canada, France, UK…
”Sociopathy are greater in these areas than the Southern powers of wealth, more so….not just with Jews, but with other groups, who are also troublesome”
You said
”southern europeans display less empathy than northern and it explain why jews have hard time there”
and now you said
”northern europeans have more sociopathic trends”
you need choice…
”And history has shown that Jews had a harder time in Northern Euro.”
Really*
In the Occidental Observer site some text suggests that sephardic jews have great role in the maghrebian invasion of iberian peninsula, if i’m wrong…
”I believe the inferiority of culture of Northern Euros – are more susceptible of Jewish ideas.”
Maybe because protestantism increase the material greedy.
catholicism is a ”jewish idea”*
”And with or without Joos, Northern Euro is a mess, albeit smaller mess than Anglo countries, which are the most dysfunctional. But a big mess culturally than Southern Euro.”
I don’t think so.
Your southern european bias is so significative it make you intepret the world only via this filter.
Whats explains this long debate is affective empathy.
Southern Euros being genetically descended as much from Germanics as North Africans have much lower affective empathy. Hence, assimilate or die. The ashkenazi who are smarter than Sephardics, naturally went north.
They certainly didn’t beeline for inner Asia, Turkey, Central Asia or anywhere else in the world. For a reason.
I’ve been repeatedly saying Northern Euros are the nice people. But if you look at the blogger Jayman’s extensive writings on this area, which he was the first to point out, it makes sense.
Northern Euro women are the most beautiful because of….affective empathy, which is a feminine trait. Northern Euros tolerate the most diversity of religion, race and lifestyle because of….affective empathy. Northern Euro spend the most time and money on charity in the world because of affective empathy (some arab and east asian countries are just as rich).
Nobody else comes close. The nice people are just too nice. They fight wars in Libya, Yemen, Iran, Iraq, Turkey, Syria etc for them everytime. There is no reason for the nice people to be anywhere near the middle east. Yet Syrian babies are all over our tv screens because (((they))) want whites to be in the Middle East.
Germanics are the only race that would let a foreign race which explicitly promotes blood marriage between themselves, comprising 1% of their population, make all their movies and control their financial, media, legal and academic system. Most ecologists would call this evolutionary suicide. And so it will prove to be.
Hitler wasn’t totally wrong.
I have a different theory about it
First: Northern European and also central Europeans tends to display greater variation in their personalities, temperaments etc… This may explain: Individualism because in the place where people varies more logically speaking is likely to have greater tolerance to the individuality.
We have saints and demons among Europeans and a set of brighter saints and demons among them more than in other populations if Europeans on avg are intermediary between east Asians, too much quiet and black Africans, too much agitated.
But
Again the history show for us that this McDonald theory of pathological altruism don’t explain pr complete the whole big picture because the European history is not so nice even or specially for themselves: Bloody wars, social inequalities, rampant social injustices against minorities or dissidents of old order, etc..
This image of naive sympathetic and nice blonde haired people seems exaggerated.
So we have a higher proportion of pretty nice people, too bright to not so bright variants,’who are just a product of this greater variability of temperaments and empathetic skills among Europeans in contrast to the exaggerated image via pathological altruism.
We see clearly that older people who grew in conservative cultures in USA, UK or Sweden tens to display similar attitudes but more soft than the common behavior throughout the world .
That pathological altruism or what a prefer to say ” good intentions+ ignorance+ intellectual arrogance” seems common among young people than among older Europeans or Americans or Canadians who born in the first half of XX century.
Philosopher: You are mistaken, if the smarter Jews went to Northern Euro.
Ashkenazi Jews weren’t really accepted as mainstream insiders in Deustchland until the late 17th century, or perhaps even later. And then Hitler came and reverse the tide. Ashkenazi didn’t have a golden age, until recently, if you count their massive wealth accumulation.
Spain’s Sephardic Jews were glorious in the Middle Ages, and the Conversos became the New Christians that dominated the intellectual elite in Spain’s Golden Age.
Ashkenazim were completely absorbed in Italy and that was the end of them, almost.
And Philospher and you’re wrong again: Spinoza who was a Sephardic Jew, who lived in Amsterdam. There was a burgeoning Sephardic community in Holland, when they were kicked out of Spain in the 16th century.
Santo: I think you’re wrong about Southern Euros being less individualistic. Southern Euro society emphasized collective endeavors more than the North. But I think the population show as much individuality as Northerners. As one can see that most of the original geniuses of Europe came from Southern Euro. Italians have a high propensity for originality. And I would like to say Southern Euro nations made a compromise or a balance between the individuality and collective.
Js,
Most of Italian big achievers came from central to north Italy and they are more central Europeans than southern Europeans, maybe a intermediary between south (Mediterranean Subrace) to the central Europe (alpine subrace).
Southern Europeans are relatively similar in individualism propensity but industrial revolution has been less intense in that areas than for example in UK and industrial revolution create modernity re shaping societies even just industrial revolution is nor the only fator that make northern Europeans more individualistic NOW than southern.
Seems Protestantism has been more soft than Catholicism in cultural/behavioral terms, just like oriental religions, more formal and less omniscient.
Science substitutes religion and increase individualistic propensities of people. People become more free to do what they want without religion and its idiotic but totalitarian guidelines.
Today westerners have suffered by philosophical hallucinations. They see the false chart castles society is and become hedonistic, immediatist. I don’t think it’s exactly bad. Otherwise. It’s the beginning of individual emancipation and enlightenment but
It’s too dangerous to the elites plans
So elites are unifying forces to combat this threat to their abject and old power and way of life: Parasite among people.
Ok, in 1998-2000 I was involved in a process of hiring ppl for some prestigious job. Cognitive sphere was not that much in focus somehow, but RSPM (untimed as it should be) was administrated to all candidates. The cohort was a sort of able – 2/3 males, 2/3 with college/university diplomas. Age in a wide range, averaging at about 30 y/o, all adults. The biggest weakness is – I don’t have exact data now – alas, alas, alas – but I would estimate the size of the sample to be about n=150 .But one thing I remember very well – I was surprised that the maximum score was 59/60, achieved only once by a young mathematician/computer scientist
A very sophisticated reader now can come to a conclusion of extraordinary depth: ‘ Fuck, yeah! That Russian dummies! So what?’
Totally agreed. But let me go ahead (to be continued…)
Rushton did some interesting research on Serbians with the RSPM:
Click to access Data-on-the-Ravens-Standard-Progressive-Matrices-from-Four-Serbian-Samples-2009-by-John-Philippe-Rushton-Jelena-%C4%8Cvorovi%C4%87.pdf
Thank you, PP. But interesting thing is that info about mean scores doesn t tell us much about scores near the ceiling. IQ of an average Russian, as far as I know, per Lynn, is 97, e.g. only 1 point below an American’s one, and still we see severe deficit of high scores. To get even more puzzled lets have a look at the results of standardization of the RSPM in Brazil. The mean is IQ 94, but, if my eyes don’t lie, about 1.5 % of the sample were able to get the perfect score. Interesting, isn’t it? (see figure 2 in the article)
Click to access v20n1a11.pdf
So, i completely forgot about the Raven etc – my life drove me very far from medicine and psychology very soon – until some 15 years later I saw something interesting… (to be continued)
Speaking of Flynn:
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2016/sep/27/james-flynn-race-iq-myths-does-your-family-make-you-smarter
Purposeful induction to the collective crucifixion of white Europeans and their descendants …. the apotheosis of a lie: Christianity
Making ”all” whites as Jesus, and making the masses of opportunistic and clever prefer the self-confessed criminal than the ” Messiah ” …
http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/mental-illness-and-the-jews/
People, specially here on hbd s phere, love to say
”ILliberals just love abstractions”
huummm
but, they, on avg, understand abstractions very well**
Seems not.
Same for the high-functioning illiberals = high functioning jews, on avg (orrr disproportionate).
Illiberals, on avg, seems unable to understand:
– statistics very well,
– all the time mistaken causality with correlation,
– don’t understand dynamics between peoples as well their own characteristics and inner-variations, just look to this comments ”JEWS suffer anti-semitism”, complete self-deception (or other thing),
– misuse words and its meanings.
Lately I’ve been saying “fuck correlations”. Who cares about correlations when causes are what matters?
”Lately I’ve been saying “fuck correlations”. Who cares about correlations when causes are what matters?”
to the good observer everything that is correlated with the object of observation matters, period.
Correlation don’t mean causation. Just because two things are correlated doesn’t mean they cause eachother.
Why do people get fat? Because they eat more right? People get fat because they consume more kcal than they burn. But I’m stating the obvious right? The ultimate cause is insulin. Insulin has us eat more. It has us decrease expenditure to gain weight. Just saying “hurrr people get fat because they eat too much” doesn’t tell us anything about any causes.
Why is the bath tub overflowing? Because more water is entering than leaving right?
Why do rooms set overcrowded. Because more people enter them than leave them right? But like the overflowing bathtub, the doesn’t speak to the cause. Saying that rooms get overcrowded because more people enter than leave them is like saying people get fat because they eat too much. Ie it’s damn useless. It does not convey causal information. The cause, the ultimate cause, is insulin.
Take what I said above and apply this to IQ correlates. Causes matter, it correlates. Correlation, causation, etc.
Very good realist. My own terminology is to say 2nd order and 3rd order..nth causality.
For the bathtub, water overflows due to more water in 1st order.
2nd order, a person left the tap on while going to attend children.
3rd Children demand attention cos they’ve been fed high GI foods.
4th They were fed that because the family is on food stamps
5th Because of NAFTA
6th…
And so on.
Hume wrote about this a bit. You then get branching of causalities to one of the orders and ‘correlated causality’. For example, NAFTA causes food stamps but food stamps malnourished people allow things like NAFTA to happen lacking brain development both causing the bathtub.
If you draw it like a probability tree you’ll see the funnel gets wider and wider so that more statistical statements on causality can then be made as the dataset expands. Yet the logic from 1st order to say 3rd in some scenarios is fairly implacable and wouldn’t need a dataset.
”Correlation don’t mean causation. Just because two things are correlated doesn’t mean they cause eachother.”
[[[ thinking with myself: ”’people seems think i’m extremely stupid, to say this things to me ]]]
”Why do people get fat? Because they eat more right? People get fat because they consume more kcal than they burn. But I’m stating the obvious right? The ultimate cause is insulin. Insulin has us eat more. It has us decrease expenditure to gain weight. Just saying “hurrr people get fat because they eat too much” doesn’t tell us anything about any causes.”
You’re thinking all correlations are wrong*
Seems there are cases and cases, you can’t over-generalize in ALL perspectives, at least, seems, in this case. Some people simply born with ”large bones”, there is a spectrum of mesomorphic suscetibility. Some people become fat by biological trends and environmental issues, just like start to eat too much industrialized food and acompanied by sedentary lifestyle.
Maybe natural mesomorphic people, ”natural fat” ones are not that unhealthy people many think they are.
The underlying cause maybe the insulin but it still not the big picture or better the whole picture, the most important.
You can prioritize causality without despise correlations, isn’t*
”Take what I said above and apply this to IQ correlates. Causes matter, it correlates. Correlation, causation, etc.”
But this statement is incomplete because IQ is not the ultimate causality to their correlations, just if you start via IQ, iq as a epicenter of their correlations. But the whole picture for example, IQ and income, we will have a more poli-faceted correlations and causalities conspiring one each other to the final product.
IQ alone don’t explain income distribution, even, human weakness just like ”imoral conformity” and machiavelic traits helps to explain it.
if you leave implicit that iq alone/”ultimate causality” explain its correlates.
The Philosopher:
Exactly. Then you can say “Lower intelligence is the cause of those things.”
The bathtub one is like this: The tub is overflowing. Why? Because more water is entering than leaving. But that doesn’t tell us the cause, why. The cause is probably someone sitting in the tub causing the water to overflow. But my first response was just stating the obvious. The same holds for the crowded room. “Hurrr da room b gittin ovacrowded cuz mo peepz be entering den leavin.”
What does that say? If I said that to you when you asked me why the room is getting overcrowded, you’d look at me like I’m crazy right? The cause for the room becoming overcrowded could be a big sale, a star showed up (let’s say it’s Oprah for PP), etc. THOSE are causes, saying more people are entering than leaving is redundant and a tautology.
The CAUSE of obesity is insulin, etc.
The other day when you asked me about carbs and insulin. The way I do it with myself and my clients, I eat CHO on workout days and low carb it on rest days. So on the days you don’t lift, eat fewer carbs. I eat less than 40 on my rest days. Doing this attempts glycogen supercompensation. When you’re eating low carb on your rest day then lift and eat high carb, this is what you’re trying to achieve. What occurs when your muscles are glycogen depleted is this: upon consumption of the CHO your muscles suck in all of the carbs from it. You can theoretically burn fat and gain muscle while this is achieved. Insulin IS an anabolic hormone, ONLY under stress from lifting, etc.
I wrote a piece on how we evolved to eat a while back, check it out.
https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2016/02/01/how-did-man-evolve-to-eat/
Santo:
“[[[ thinking with myself: ”’people seems think i’m extremely stupid, to say this things to me ]]]”
No. Just restating the obvious.
“Seems there are cases and cases, you can’t over-generalize in ALL perspectives, at least, seems, in this case. Some people simply born with ”large bones”, there is a spectrum of mesomorphic suscetibility. Some people become fat by biological trends and environmental issues, just like start to eat too much industrialized food and acompanied by sedentary lifestyle.”
Large bones? That’s garbage. Yes the differing somatypes (meso, endo and ecto) do matter. It’s a hugely complex GxE cause with obesity. Refined, processed carbs are horrible for us. Put it this way. The whiter a carbohydrate is, the more refined it is. Refinement takes out fiber and other essential, obesity-protection nutrients. These refined carbs spike insulin more leading to obesity. Becoming more slothful doesn’t lead to obesity. You also don’t need to ‘move more’ to beat obesity. This is another reversed causality. “Oy vey, goy, you’re fat because you don’t move enough!!!” No. Completely wrong. When people become fat THEN they stop movement. When people become fat THEN they eat more. We don’t get fat because we eat more, we eat more because we get fat</em?.
“The underlying cause maybe the insulin but it still not the big picture or better the whole picture, the most important.”
Insulin is the underlying cause. Insulin works with the hypothalamus in the brain to raise the Body Set Weight (BSW). When insulin is high, the set point is high. THIS is what drives the eating. Our eating is not under conscious control. It’s mediated by hormones, PPY, choleckstoynin, ghrelin, etc. And our satiation is not under conscipus control as well, being driven by
Also take a look at this article:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/09/160919095024.htm
Basically, the hypothalamus regulates food intake through insulin and glucose (sugar).
The researchers discovered that when the brain is low on glucose, a hypothalamic enzyme is triggered called AMPK, which changes the properties of the molecules called PPY that the brain uses to communicate. This occurs because of autophagy, which is the process alluded to when the title said “Consumption from within”. Autophagy is a natural destructive mechanism in which the body disassembles, through a regulated process (like all bodily processes, including body fat, are) unnecessary or dysfunctional cellular components. This allows our body to recycle and reuse cells.
The hypothalamus activates AMPK which sets increased autophagy into motion. This cellular process then dictates how Neuropeptide Y (PPY) and POMC act on a cellular level showing us how increased food intake and weight gain occur.
Basically, combining the results of all of their studies show that knocking down AMPK changed the PPY and POMC expression at a genetic level and decreased caloric intake and weight loss occurred.
Then it says:
When the brain doesn’t get enough glucose. it activates AMPK which then has the brain release PPY and POMC to have you eat more to further the cellular regeneration. As described above, since autophagy is the cellular process to break down and recycle useless cells, what’s probably going on here is that when the autophagy process occurs, the brain tells you to eat more through the PPY and POMC hormones so cellular regeneration can occur due to the autophagy destroying useless cells.
“But this statement is incomplete because IQ is not the ultimate causality to their correlations, just if you start via IQ, iq as a epicenter of their correlations. But the whole picture for example, IQ and income, we will have a more poli-faceted correlations and causalities conspiring one each other to the final product”
Low IQ causes income. Low IQ in groups is due to ancestral evolution
Ancestral evolution is a proximate cause of low income, IQ is the proximate cause.
“IQ alone don’t explain income distribution, even, human weakness just like ”imoral conformity” and machiavelic traits helps to explain it.”
IQ along with a few more variables does.
I agree about it
“Oy vey, goy, you’re fat because you don’t move enough!!!” No. Completely wrong. When people become fat THEN they stop movement. When people become fat THEN they eat more. We don’t get fat because we eat more, we eat more because we get fat</em?.''
But i still think that obesity is reversible for many people.
''Large bones? That’s garbage. Yes the differing somatypes (meso, endo and ecto) do matter.''
Some people born that way. babies with above average weight and many times average height.
all human traits varies and some traits are unstable for many people and easily triggered by complex interactions between environment and genes.
In the same way we have people who are below average weight we have people who are above average weight and they are normal variation.
But there are abnormal variations like pathological obesity, for example.
''Low IQ causes income. Low IQ in groups is due to ancestral evolution
Ancestral evolution is a proximate cause of low income, IQ is the proximate cause.''
A LOT OF people who score lower in IQ tests are conscious/responsible, hard working, honest.
Income is fixed, determined by governments and enterprises.
In the natural world many to most of low IQ people today would be able to survive.
Low IQ athletes who earn more than greater part of population is a example of the socio-structural relevance to explain income criteria and distribution while a non-natural reality. It's a natural fallacy trying to normalize abnormal or stupid/psychopathic human decisions = biological things alone cause low or higher income.
Low IQ tends to correlate with higher impulsivity (or open to experience, 😉 ) and specially in some environments, for example, in societies without the religion inhibiting this types of behavior = comparative higher proportion of the people in the left side of bell curve can be suscetible-to-vulnerable to the impulsive behavior and specially in toxic environments.
Low IQ don't cause impulsivity, it's a correlation, you know.
''IQ along with a few more variables does.''
yes but this few other variables fractionate ''IQ impact'' in the way it become at best secundary in importance. For example, to be a popular and rich politician you don't need just score higher in IQ tests or have greater educational refferences/status. In the true, IQ is not imperative to become a popular politician in the same way tends to be to become a physician.
Maybe higher IQ tends to correlate a lot of with discrete or implicit dark personality traits. For example, i no have doubt that almost of high functioning anti-social personality people tends to score at least above average in IQ tests.
When HBD-researchers analyse ''IQ variables'' in the true they are not analysing ''IQ alone variables'', even the correlations among exceptionalities tends to be pretty high, for example, billionaires and IQ. But billionaires are so rare, just like a natural ''poor sample'', and IQ alone don't explain why some people become self-made billionaire, of course, because ''our'' societies don't gravitates around IQ but a combination where IQ alone (imoral, mundane/material and pragmatically useful skills) will be complementar.
IQ is ONE of the tools humans have, may be used, specially in modern societies, where cognitive tests are used as ''meritocratic'' criteria.
IQ correlates invariably higher with a lot of mundane desirable stuff like higher income, higher educational status, SPECIALLY because it's itself one of the most important criteria to have access to the benefits to be professionally useful to the governments or enterprise.
Again, IQ is the intelligence of the worker (even in the ideal world, creativity will be pretty important too)… not the [complete] intelligence of the human being.
IQ is a artificial criteria invented in the era of the massified public ''education''.
The real intelligence start with the capacity to give good-to-perfect judgments, and specially via moral criteria, fundamentally to the species who can monitorates their behavior, more than most of other living beings.
http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20160929-our-iqs-have-never-been-higher-but-it-hasnt-made-us-smart
A relevant article if anyone wants to take a look at it.
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What explains the massive differences in percentiles between the younger ages on Ravens Matrices vs the pretty much identical percentiles (50th percentile for a 16 year old is 50th percentile for a 24 year old, on RPM, 50th percentile for a 24 year old is like a 70th for a 16 year old).
Pumpkin, if you have a ridiculously high practice effect, that’s much farther from the mean, or if it surpasses the confidence interval, is a part of it genuine intellectual gains?
No
Would it be intellectual gains if it were ridiculously high for particular fluid reasoning subtests which would normally have a very low practice effect?
Pumpkin, on subtexts with very low practice effects (coding and similarities), over a couple of tries, what would huge gains signify (like 10-15 point gain). Why would that happen?