A pet peeve of mine is that a lot of non-black men in the HBD blogosphere believe everything that professor J. Philippe Rushton said about ethnic differences in IQ and brain size, but when it comes to black men having the largest penis size, they suddenly turn into HBD deniers, ranting and raving about how the research is wrong. Well, I’m sorry but HBD is not here to serve your racist supremacy, HBD is here to celebrate ALL RACES, NOT YOURS ONLY!!!! If the data shows that black men have the largest penis size, then shut up and get over it. What kind of man gets jealous over another man’s penis size anyway? A sick, twisted, perverted sinful one. Healthy well adjusted normal guys don’t even know how large their penis is, and couldn’t care less, because they have other things going for them like a girlfriend, a career, and sports, and their mind’s not in the gutter. The only legitimate reason to care is for science, so here are the FACTS:
According to data from the World Health Organization Global Programme on AIDS Specification and Guidelines for Condom Procurement (1991, p 33, Table 5), assuming a normal distribution, I estimate the average white American man has a penis length of 162 mm (SD = 19) , and the average African American man has a penis length of 170 mm (SD = 19). (since 5% of black men are longer that 200 mm, and 2% of white men are, while 27% of white men have penises shorter than 151 mm, while 15% of black men do).
But small differences is the mean have huge implications at the extremes. Assuming a normal distribution, one in 3.4 million African American men would have a penis length > 264 mm, vs only one in about 30 million white men.
What about penis circumference? Once again, black men come out on top. 9% of African American men are > 150 mm, while only 5% of white American men are. Only 2% of men in either race are < 75 mm. Assuming a normal curve, that implies white American men have a mean penis circumference of 117 mm (SD = 21), while black American men have a mean penis circumference of 121 mm (SD = 23). Note the larger SD in black men; they not only have a higher mean, but more variability. This means that black men will be dramatically over-represented among the thickest penises in America, and among the ten thickest in America, 100% should be black; unless some non-black man has some kind of freak mutation.
When it comes to scrotal circumference, I don't have exact figures, but Rushton cites scholars showing that Africans exceed Europeans: Short, 1979; Ajmani, Jain & Saxena, 1985.
Pumpkin Person 
A lot of people in HBD blogosphere are not true facts seekers. They are people of ideology and politics. They use whatever they feel good about regardless of facts. Also they are not very intelligent in the first place. People with strong ideological conviction are very similar with religious conviction, not very smart.
Guys, you do have the penis as big as black guys but you also have brain very similar too. lol.
This is also what set Dr Rushton apart from HBD bloggers. He is a person of science, not ideology.
Ideology & politics is found everywhere , but it’s disappointing to see it in HBD people. I expect more from us.
And you’re using “ideology” in what sense? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideology#Marxist_view
In the sense of a rigid dogmatic world view
yo lemme model some shit for you cuz. we tryin find out how dem genes specifically cause yo kin to be so dumb (or — ahahahah snicker — smart, yariiiiiiiiiite tho). yo, first step ASSUME THEY ACT ALONE. next step, I TOLD YOU IT WAS DEM GENES NIGGAS.
Please don’t use that word. I know you’re just making fun of the racists, but it’s still extremely hurtful.
you right, you right…me using dat word hella hurtful. thank goodness we have ppl undertaking such noble unhurtful “science.” barbarism with a smile is preferable. who knew cult — i mean mult — regression was oh so powerful
Rushton find (in fact) a correlation between penis size and brain size (and iq) because east asians tend to have little hashis and blacks tend to have grreater benga niegras, but ”pigmeus” have one of the lowest iq average AND possibly have little penis size on average because its heigh average. Abobos too.
Possibly, different combinations of universal ”human” traits aka, human races, need two kind of analysis
Comparative among races
and
Observative within races
One of explanations about negative correlation between penis and brain size is because nature is economic and cost high any excessive development of any part of body. Brain also consume higher % our energy.
Some people born to use brain, other born to use penis. Simple.
Homossexuals seems tend to have greater penis size.
Lower half part of body of blacks tend to be more developed like legs, gluteal, they are more musculous. All this leave into account to balance of body-”mind” system.
Adjusted for body size & nutrition , pygmies probably have large penises
But pygmies are malnourished????
Dwarfism is genetic and lower height can be too.
Nutrition and height can be correlation without causation.
The huge height difference between pygmies & non-pygmies living in sub-Saharan Africa is probably 100% genetic, but virtually all third world people are shorter than they would be if born in the U.S.
Ashkenazi jews are whealthiest people in the surface of’earth and tend to have lower height compares to white people. % of malnourished ashkenazi jews now and in the past???
Obviously American Jews are not malnourished, but African Americans are several inches taller than West Africans, suggesting third world peoples are below what they would be in America
Among Koreans, a higher ring to index finger correlates with penis size. Koreans don’t farm, so the range of testosterone is like g, meaning testosterone differences are innate. In America, where no one really farms and back breaking blue collar work is done by immigrants, testosterone rates are higher among blacks compared to whites. Given that both races are roughly average five ten, blacks should have bigger penis.
‘Rushton find (in fact)’
oh shit a laugh attack
‘a correlation between penis size and brain size (and iq)’
daaaam. speakin’ of equally powerful shit…straight up, did ya’ll kno that BMI and political beliefs is hella H squared? Yo, I put ’em together and DISCOVERED a new trait called ‘fat-lib.’ Fat-lib is HELLA, no MUST BE, legit. WHY? cuz it’s heritable you dumbfucks — haha nah i’m just clownin u guys. u guys are smart cuz IQ DUH. anyway, factor analysis is fucken dope. u can discover hella nifty shit. maybe ill publish hella research about ‘fat-lib’ and get some groupies talkin’ bout fat-lib. fingers-crossed.
This guy write worst’ly’ english than me, lol.
🙂
It’s impossible not to notice if you’ve played sports or go to a gym with a lot of black guys.
But then again John Holmes was the biggest in porn.
And one wonders why. Is it the peacock’s cock? That is, is it an example of sexual selection? What good is a huge penis?
But anyway, longer than 7″ won’t fit, and thicker than 6″ is painful, or so I’ve read.
You can’t be too rich or too thin, but you can have too big a penis.
And lest white men fear that white women secretly want black guys with huge penises…according to data from dating sites white women are the most “racist” of all gender, race pairs. That is, 90+% of white women will not even consider non-white men.
And also there should be considerable variation in Africa. Almost all slaves came from West Africa and, obviously, may have been selected from that population.
It is conspicuous, isn’t it? That it’s the African diaspora where elite sprinters come from usually.
Then why do we see so many white women with black men?
so many?
it does seem to be the case, contra the women are whores theory, that there are more white women with black men than white men with black women.
but!!! the divorce rate for black women, white men is lower than for white, white which is much lower than for black men, white women.
is pumpkin a black guy? a chinese guy? a white guy? a mix?
in sexual attraction i’m not a racist. but in romantic attraction i’m a total racist. if she’s not nw european or ashkenazi fugetaboutit.
Women go online to avoid making the bad decisions they might make in real life: it’s a shit “women’s-preference” metric. According to gallup 9 years ago, nearly 25% of white women had “dated” a black man.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/19033/most-americans-approve-interracial-dating.aspx
Swanknasty,
Thanks for the Gallup link. That’s quite informative.
np. incidentally, the size of the tapping hole determines the relative size of the screw.
The answer is simple. Neither Asian men or white men find most black women attractive. It is black men who put white women on a pedestal but the same doesn’t apply to white males. Black women aren’t even a factor for most white males. I’m around white guys almost everyday and all them make it a point that they don’t find black women attractive if I name a black girl I think is hot.
Well a large penis increases the odds of having lots of kids; either because of sexual selection or because of sexual potency or because of increased sex drive. Too big is problematic , but such extremes are a small price to pay for a high mean
does it?
if there isn’t a threshold in other attributes, there’s definitely one in penis size.
john holmes had no children. what’re the odds of that using the usual bullshit pearson’s rho?
John Holmes might have had a lot of children before the birth control era. And we don’t actually know how many kids he has; he may not even know.
But yes, too much of anything is bad. A ten foot tall guy would suck at basketball.
Many pathological traits exist in the population because a milder (but still extreme) form is advantageous, and exists in the relatives of the pathological person. I imagine any brother of John Holmes would also have a large penis, but one significantly regressed to the mean, and thus optimum for reproduction.
1. Who the hell is “denying” this? I don’t see any hbdrs who actually worry about this at all… the only person I’ve seen mention it is http://racehist.blogspot.com/ and he mocks hbdrs/Rushton/Lynn all the time… if you want to have an argument about this take it up with him.
2. You do realize it’s a hell of a lot easier to measure intelligence than penis size right? Richard Lynn put out a paper a long time ago listing penis sizes for various nations/ethnic groups or whatever and it was a complete joke using self measurements from penis enlargement websites. If you google penis size and ethnicity you’ll find various maps built with data he compiled that went viral. . See Human Varieties to see the shoddy(but still useful I guess) work Lynn does.
Yeah. Sort of.
The racists would say, as I would say, that if only Lemaitre could get some muscles he’d beat Bolt. Really. He would!!!
They’re mostly white men who want to think that white men are better at everything that really matters to them.
Of course at the extreme low end, penis size matters more to women than breast size matters to men. That is, it really does suck to have a tiny penis, but flat chested women can still be very attractive.
Fortunately there just aren’t that many men with tiny penises.
If she can feel it, it’s good enough usually. Only about 1/4 of women can even orgasm from f***ing alone. Even John Holmes used his hand.
Yes I believe Human Varieties exposed that penis size data as an internet hoax, that never should have been published in an academic journal. But I cited venerable World Health Organization data.
‘You do realize it’s a hell of a lot easier to measure intelligence than penis size right?’
lmfao. you gonna give me a lung infarction.
it’s easier to measure invisible ponies than it is to measure tangible things. lolololol.
Most penis size studies are indeed a joke. Most are self reported and many didn’t even have studies involved like the Lynn research which was statistics taken off of a website. To see the real average penis you need to look at nudist colonies or nudist tribes of Africa. They’re no bigger than anyone else. People have a habit of using self reported “studies” with no actual sources and pornstars who don’t represent average at all. The only actual study I can think of on an African nation was the one on Nigeria. It’s the only one I know of where the penises were actually measured by medical personel and the Nigerians came out at 5.3 inches which is below even some European nations averages.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17191423?dopt=AbstractPlus
Using terms like Black and White is trick because there’s no real such race as White or Black not even all whites are genetically related. All European nations cluster together yes, but all of them cluster differently from each other. The Italians for example cluster mostly with Iberians, French etc while the British mostly with Germans. The Russians mostly with slavic nations. This idea of a “white race” is an American creation it’s not a real ethnic group though. Europe is too heterogeneous of a continent to fall under such a limited term such as White. Thing is ALL european countries have varying heights just like they have varying penis sizes. Same With Africans or Asians.
And regarding NE Asian, oriental, men, I really doubt white women are turned off, or rather not turned on, by any expectations of penis size.
It’s the facial skeleton again.
I think most white women would find Chow Yun-fat attractive. But he’s also fairly tall.
In general people are most strongly attracted to people who look like them.
Of course the sexiest Chinaman ever was Bruce Lee, who married a white woman.
On a similar note, given the high rate of diabetes in India, even among active underweight farmers, seems proof that in a worldwide famine, Indians would be the only ones surviving.
Kerala and kenya have 17% underweight children rate. Kerala has a diabetes prevalence of 20% vs Kenya’s 3.3% . Among American whites, who have a much richer diet compared to keralites, have a 9.9% rate. Trinidad is split fifty fifty indian and African and has a diabetic rate of 13 percent. So, 11.3% of the total diabetics are indian so 22.6% are indian. In Trinidad, 4.4% of kids are malnourished. In Ukraine, with a similar malnourished rate of 4.1%, had a 2.5% diabetic prevalence.
So using a percentile chart, I found the average indian has 1.18 standard deviation above Europeans and 1 std deviation above Africans in terms of diabetes in similar nutrition levels.
seems proof that in a worldwide famine, Indians would be the only ones surviving</I?
Another great example of norms of reaction.
seems proof that in a worldwide famine, Indians would be the only ones surviving
Another great example of norms of reaction and the silliness of most health genetics not just behavioral genetics.
My point is that in an extreme famine where say only 100 people would survive, the vast majority would be indian. Just like how in a study 170+ iq kids in New York city , 24 out of 28 were Jewish.
jay g,
Very interesting research!
Of course the anti-racist black men will say that it’s not a good thing.
That is, they do say that it’s just another identifying black with animal.
It is QUITE noticeable SMALL the penises are in some paintings and sculptures. For a while I wondered if only I had noticed this. No! It used to be that a big penis was considered ugly and comic.
The best example http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/64/Creaci%C3%B3n_de_Ad%C3%A1n_(Miguel_%C3%81ngel).jpg
That didn’t work. http://efetov.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/003-thecreationofadam1.jpg
It is QUITE noticeable SMALL the penises are in some paintings and sculptures. For a while I wondered if only I had noticed this. No! It used to be that a big penis was considered ugly and comic.
Very insightful and cultured observation! That never occurred to me, but you’re absolutely right.
or they modeled their statues to be inherently defensible against pornography charges. or artists, being hyper aware of proportion, strove to avoid anything on their masterpieces that was obviously disproportionate.
roman society more tolerant of hedonism and pornography. and there, you see large penises in the artwork.
or they modeled their statues to be inherently defensible against pornography charges. or artists, being hyper aware of proportion, strove to avoid anything on their masterpieces that was obviously disproportionate.
Or the artists were afraid of looking gay.
they sure did a bad job if they were afraid of looking gay. their ideal masculine form resembles an athletic 16 year old — COINCIDENCE?
I’ve no personal feelings about your analysis. But your first paragraph was a a tantrum. You did that in your post about scientists who won’t call chimps monkeys. Now you throw another tantrum over some imaginary penis controversy. Clearly, whatever has you riled up has to do with you alone..The thing is, you’ll act normal for a while then suddenly go off the deep end. You need to get it under control. Or at least stop posting when you’re in a mood.
destructure,
Thanks for the constructive criticism. I’ll work on it.
“I was like … What’s that?” she said. “I don’t think so. That’s like a Cuban Missile Crisis.”
Chelsea Handler
Jonah Falcon has the biggest penis, as it is often reported. He is an ashkenazi jew. So jews have advantage on both side, IQ and penis size.
I will look at the data, IQ vs penis size for countries.
2d4d ratio correlated to penis size, according to a Korean study. Another study said: ““In this sample of 1,516 men and women from ten countries, the average index:ring finger ratio is 0.97 and ranges from about 0.87 to 1.12. … The average ratio per country varies across the distribution and is indicated by the position of the countries. The highest average ratios are found in the samples from Poland (P), Spain (S) and England (E), in a band of ratios from 1.00 to 0.98. … An intermediate group (average ratios from 0.97 to 0.96) comprises subjects from Hungary (H=ethnic hungarians and Hg=Hungarian Gypsies), Germany (G), and India (I). … The group with the longest ring fingers (average ratio o.95 to 0.93) comprise Zulu, Finish and Jamaican participants [ranked by average digit ratio]. They are likely to have experienced high testosterone concentration before birth.”
So, among these countries, assuming similar heights and nutrition, penis size order would be Jamaican, finish, Zulu, indian, gypsy, German, Hungarian, England, spain, and Poland.
Hungarians have one of the biggest penis size, according to studies. And Finnish very small. But there is certainly a positive correlation between.
And Jonah Falcon showed his hands, he had a very small hand, actually.
Penis size in Europe is basically like this
Southern Europeans Balkans included > Northern Europeans > Eastern Europeans
I have analysed penis size and IQ correlation for countries:
http://alcoholicwisdom.wordpress.com/2014/10/16/iq-vs-penis-size-for-countries/
There is a correlation of -0.28 between IQ and penis length. However there is almost no correlation between penis circumference and IQ, -0.05.
I don’t think there is any large data base on penis size by countries. I’m pretty sure the one you analyzed was exposed as an internet hoax, even though an academic journal actually published research on it.
Also, the negative correlation would likely be stronger and more meaningful if both IQ and penis size are adjusted for nutrition.
@pumpkinperson
http://www.everyoneweb.com/worldpenissize
This is my source and in the website there are sources, although it is difficult to confirm.
Didn’t know about the hoax, thanks for info.
Alcoholicwisdom ,
If you read the comments of this link, you’ll see Jason Malloy talking about the penis size hoax, though I don’t know if he’s referencing the exact same source you used:
http://anepigone.blogspot.ca/2012/10/penis-size-and-infant-mortality.html?m=1
@pumpkinperson
I now looked at only the measured data, rather than the self reported ones from internet websites. The commenter Jason Malloy said the reported data from that websites are not trustable. However the correlation is about the same (-0.33 (with 51 data points) rather than -0.28(with 117 data points)) for the measured ones.
The graph on the website is probably the circumference, not the length. The person (The Audacious Epigone) might have done a mistake. Because I also see no correlation for circumference.
Jonah Cardeli Falcon. Despite being named “Jonah” he’s unlikely to be Jewish. His mother is Cardeli and father Falcon. His Wikipedia also says he’s uncircumcised. But you’re right about him being smart. He was reading at 18 months and went to a magnet high school.
I heard him saying he went to a jewish school. I have to check again…
He said actually:
“I was at a school that was mostly Jewish so I was one of the only uncircumcised boys there – I thought that’s what they were fascinated by.”
I cannot confirm. Secular jews do not circumsize probably.
He is from Brooklyn. Maybe he went to a scientific school in Brooklyn, in which it is normal to have mostly jewish students.
Anyway he seems extremely white. 🙂
And yes he is very smart.
“At age twelve, Jonah enrolled at an East Harlem school for brainy kids. Teachers were astounded by his fine intellect, but they were also struck by his awkward social skills.”
“Jonah was extraordinarily bright,” says his math teacher Jeff Nelson. “He breezed through college work. He could have taught my class. But he was a strange kid. He didn’t like to share his knowledge. He’d get upset with kids if they didn’t understand.” ”
“After scoring off the charts on entrance exams, Jonah enrolled at the prestigious Bronx High School of Science, breeding ground for New York’s most brilliant and promising children.”
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/mr-big-jonah-falcons-giant-penis-problem-20030612
also to get back OT. all the numbers based on rigid — ha — scientific data are lower than what you listed:
http://condomsizeandfacts.blogspot.com/2011/10/simple-truth-about-penis-circumference.html
http://condomsizeandfacts.blogspot.fr/2011/12/how-big-is-big-how-small-is-small-how.html
yeah. the self-reported data are meaningless. they’re always going to be inflated.
iirc the best data on whites is length just under 6″ and circumference of 5″.
Of course it depends on how the length is measured and where the circumference is measured.
Thankfully I’m well above average in both areas, but because I’m pretty robust it mightn’t look it in a Playgirl spread.
Was that too gay?
Robust? Usually people of your extremely high IQ & social class are gracile, with low weight/height ratios.
And Rushton said the upper class was more K, which implies smaller penis but data seldom works out that perfectly
again you’re relying on truthiness rather than experience.
and by robust I don’t mean fat. a very lean Polynesian is still much more robust than a tall SE Asian.
the smartest guys I knew in school were all robust.
I didn’t say anything about fat. The smartest guys I knew in university were all scrawny, but then Chris Langan is robust, but he’s the exception; not the rule
just under 6″ bone pressed maybe. it’s def less than 5″ circumference. my guess 4.85.
as for everything else re: you being robust and all that shit…pics or it didnt happen homie.
Of course humans are HUGE compared to chimps and Gorillas. Why? Is it sexual selection? That is, it seems a tiny Chimp penis is all that’s required from the pov of fertility.
Also size has no correlation with overall body size. Or so I’ve read. So a big hulking football player would look smaller. I heard Arnold had to wear a cod piece in Conan, because otherwise he would have looked really small.
Porn supposedly selects for size, but there seem to be a lot of exceptions in my limited experience. Of course average or less black men wouldn’t be on film.
I believe a lot of these apes have huge scrotums.
And according to Richard Lynn, penis size correlates about 0.45 with height. Humans are taller than apes & other monkeys
But enough with this boring talk. Let’s talk about penises.
Prof. Shoe is showing his stupidity again.
I’ll write the comment if you post it.
I’d be happy to post any substantive criticisms but leave out the personal attacks.
Best thing is to email it to me
Well. If you can understand this link, you can make those criticisms yourself, and you’re understanding will be deeper than Shoe’s. http://www.faculty.biol.ttu.edu/Rice/rice08b.pdf
The reason why Shoe can claim that his many genes of small effect model works with domesticated plants and animals is that they have both very little environmental variation and very little genetic variation.
The reason why breeding works and genetic engineering may not is that breeding follows a path of ascent which may be quite non-linear.
Shoe has confused effect size in an absolute sense with the coefficients of a local linear fit.
From the paper:
So long as the landscape is locally smooth, then for a
very small region it will be well approximated by an uncurved
plane. If, in addition, the joint distribution of parent
and offspring phenotypes is close to multivariate normal,
then G-matrix models provide a good approximation of
short term evolution…Figure 1 also illustrates why G-matrix models are of
little value for the study of long term evolution. As the
population moves over the landscape, the slope and local
geometry changes (i.e., the genetic architecture changes) in
ways that could not be predicted from the initial linear
approximation.
Emphasis mine.
lol once upon a time there was a sphere people stood on. they couldnt see the whole sphere tho. the ground they stood on was flat. so the entire sphere, to them, must have been flat.
…
believing the earth is flat sounds crazy huh? lololololololol to all HBD.
But steve has so those picture of huge chickens, implying that linear trends can be extrapolated many SD above the existing population range of genotypes
Ah but then the big chickens were caused by breeding, not engineering
but then there’s this:
Mean nucleotide diversity is about five SNPs per kilobase for almost every possible comparison between red jungle fowl and domestic lines, between two different domestic lines, and within domestic lines—in contrast to the notion that domestic animals are highly inbred relative to their wild ancestors.
from http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v432/n7018/abs/nature03156.html.
so if it were possible to predict various phenotypes, not in one breed, but in all breeds from a simply linear model, shoe’s approach might work for humans who differ in only 1 per kilobase iirc.
One type of white women who are more into Asian men is Russian women.
http://news.creaders.net/world/2014/10/16/1443703.html
Or Russian might have some Asian blood in their system already.
Or maybe that’s some kind of weird Chinese tabloid?
Well, I grew up in Manchuria. Based on personal experience, it is true. My very first gf is ethnic Russian.
Pumpkin, do you think that white women are objectively the most attractive kind of woman? And if so, do you believe that a big part of an immigrant’s desire to immigrate to a Western Nation is to increase his chances of acquiring a white female wife or sexual partner?
Statistics cited in this thread showed white women to be highly prejudiced against non-white prospective dates. Do you think that this prejudice enrages non-white males and thus draws them to far-left political views?
Josh,
Fascinating theory. It could be partly true, but there are so many other reasons for non-whites to be far left.
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