Back in September I noted that Jewish children in Israel average Raven IQs of about 92 (U.K. norms) but by age 14.5 these increase to 95. Since it’s thought that Jewish IQ increases post-puberty, I take 95 as a good estimate for Israel’s adult Jewish IQ.
Unfortunately the data was not disaggregated by type of Jewish ancestry. An analysis by Hanna David and Richard Lynn found that in Israel, European Jews score about 14 IQ points higher than Oriental Jews though the gap is bigger on verbal tests. For example on the Israeli WISC, the gap was 1.1 standard deviations (SD) (17 IQ points) on verbal IQ but only 0.93 SD on Performance IQ (14 IQ points). It’s unclear what the Raven IQ gap would be more like verbal, performance or full-scale, but let’s split the difference and say 15 points.
Assuming 31.8% of Israeli Jews are Ashkenazi and they score 15 points higher than the non-Ashkenazi, then what would they need to score for the average IQ of all Israeli Jews to be 95? The answer is 105.
[Update 2022-02-06: Commenter Mug of Pee found a different source claiming 44.2% of Israeli Jews are Ashkenazi. Applying the same math to this figure put’s the Ashkenazi IQ at 103.]
So it seems at least in Israel and probably Serbia, Ashkenazi Jews have Raven IQs identical to those of East Asians. I can’t find any data on Ashkenazi Raven data in the United States, except for a small group of Ashkenazi prisoners who scored about 19 IQ points higher than the Gentile prisoners.
Just as Ashkenazim score 10 points higher than the average Israeli Jew, there is another group that scores 11 points lower. In his analysis of the Israeli military IQ data, James Flynn noted:
Recall that those not usually tested are predominantly from Orthodox homes of Eastern European origin, and they are known to have a lower IQ profile than the rest of the Jewish population (Judy Goldenberg,
personal communication, 25 April 1993). Should there not be a large IQ gap between the usually tested and the usually not tested? In reply, that is exactly what the projection shows…The IQ gap between the usually tested and the usually not tested is a robust 10·7 points
Not usually tested by the military is what Flynn means. He’s referring to those who escape service through pregnancy or religious devotion. However they likely would be included in the age 14 Israeli Jewish average of IQ 95, I assume.
So to summarize there are three types of Jews in Israel: Ashkenazi IQ 103- 105, Middle eastern IQ 88 -90, and ultra-Orthodox IQ 84 (11 points below the military sample, which since it’s 98% Jewish, presumably scored 95). Of course these groups are not mutually exclusive because Orthodox can be either Ashkenazi or Middle easter though the group Flynn describes is of Eastern European ancestry.
[Update 2022-02-06: I crossed out my estimate for Orthodox IQ because I simply don’t believe they score that low. I may have made a logical error: Just because the people who are usually not tested are primarily Orthodox Jews, doesn’t mean the Orthodox Jews are primarily usually not tested, so I can’t necessarily infer the IQ of one from the other]
Pumpkin Person 
no peepee. 45% of israeli jews are ashkenazi. 32% of israelis are ashkenazi jews.
not all israelis are jews peepee.
again i’m seriously concerned you lack the cognitive ability to blog.
WRONG! Stop trying to outsmart people who don’t have dementia. You’re always going to lose:
“Mizrahi Jews are the largest of the Jewish sub-groups constituting 44.9% of the
sample compared to Ashkenazi Jews who constitute 31.8% of our sample.”
pdf page 9 of 21: https://people.socsci.tau.ac.il/mu/noah/files/2018/07/Ethnic-origin-and-identity-in-Israel-JEMS-2018.pdf
and so one sees again that:
1. ashkenazi jews are smarter because they are half european.
2. comparing apples to apples the amount they score higher than europeans (or iranians) is small enough to be explained by culture. for example, israel has still done worse in the IMO than iran and it has no fields medalists whereas iran has two including the only female medalist.
sorry. an israeli did win the fields in 2010. he’s described as “german-jewish”.
interesting that india’s muslims should be the poorest considering india was ruled for 300 years by muslims (the mugals) until the british came.
for example the famous taj majal was built by indian muzzies.
which reminds me…
the aryan invasion of india wasn’t the last invasion of india by peoples from central asia.
does peepee think the OG aryans were smarter than the uzbekis, led by babur, who conquered india?
what is the IQ of central asians?
pretty low.
that’s what’s so retarded about all this race and IQ talk peepee.
the kyrgyz look chinese but according to PISA they’re retarded.
which reminds me of flushton’s low IQ. look at various black african countries’ homicide rate. half of them are lower than americastan’s.
There are tons of exceptions to Rushton’s rule, but by aggregating the data, he made it disappear. His attitude was lots of factors involved so average it all out so the error cancels out, leaving his theory standing
whenever a theory has as many factors as data points it ceases to have any value.
Mug of Pee doesnt understand cognitive decline which he himself is going through. he is not as smart as he used to be just like the rest of em.
he is not special in any way.
this is a very interesting topic peepee has never posted on afair.
as with race so with age…
but at the extremes the difference shows no matter how much of an outlier.
take kant for example.
dude is THE MODERN philosopher, but…
he was a virgin, never left his home town, and…
he never published anything important until he was close to 60 years old.
agism can be like racism…and both have their reasons.
1781 vs 1724.
Critique of Pure Reason is published vs kant is born.
he was 56 or 57 years old.
you have to know what time the studies were done and on what age group.
the ash and non-ash have been interbreeding.
and it’s NOT ash and middle eastern. thass raysiss!
the sephardic and mizrahic jews are totally NOT the same.
but it is true that ashkenazi, sephardi, mizrahi are almost all the jews. the remaining jewish ethnicities are very small.
the sephardim are much more european looking than the mizrahim for example.
different languages too.
ashkenazi — yiddish or judeo-german
sephardi — ladino or judeo-spanish
mizrahi — judeo-arabic
interesting how indian muslims’ % is about the same as blacks’ in the US.
and how much smaller minorities like sikhs, christians, jains, parsis are richer than the vast majority of hindus.
and this despite much less in terms of genetic difference.
or rather i assume that the genetic difference between the various religious groups of india is a lot less than that of the various racial groups in americastan.
“india mirrors america in race but in religion”
are you a schizophrenic! what the hell are you even typing most of the time?
most of this is common knowledge youre just catering to stupid people whom you think dont know enough as you but surely do.
fucking retard Mug of Piss.
you sound short.
of course sikhs are very concentrated in one state.
would be interesting to know how the non-sikhs of punjab fare.
your ass in concentrated in one place and thats where your mouth should be you shit-talking idiot Boomer!
Could the low ultra-Orthodox I.Q. partially be caused by rejection of education?
That’s certainly true of gypsies. When they’re young and in school they have raven IQs of about 85 but after dropping out of school they score IQ 70 as adults. The Raven is only valid if you stay in school in my opinion. I don’t know how educated the ultra-orthodox are,
I was thinking of gypsies when I wrote that. I don’t know about these in particular, but Orthodox in the USA are infamous for rejecting education and science. Wouldn’t surprise me if many of them think the Earth is flat
peepee won’t even post facts which disprove her theory that flushton wasn’t mentally retarded.
ultra orthodox jews in israel are 100% ashkenazi.
but even among these there is a division between the mitnagdim (lithuanian/folowers of the gaon of vilna) and the hasidim.
Pill is a narcissist. he thinks he gets everything right. how do you even get to that point in your life where you think its okay to believe youre right all the time without questioning the realism behind what youre saying?
i like you guys i just need my space is what he is trying to tell us but simply cant.
so now we know…
LOADED is an israeli hasidc jew.
sad.
and now the world’s second best chess player is an 18 year old iranian and magnus says he won’t play for the world championship unless he faces this guy.
i would wager that the haredi jews would score the same on verbal IQ tests or even higher than the rest of ash jews. and the only reason they score lower on the ravens is their education is exclusively religious and therefore exclusively verbal.
or did i miss something? do they score lower on IQ tests in general?
orthodox score lower on Israeli military test which has both Raven & verbal items
what’s the breakdown?
and why are people who are exempt from military service taking the IDF test?
They’re not which is why he has to project how much they would drag down the average if they did and how low their IQ needs to be to drag it down that much
Flynn wrote:
From 1971 to 1984, the Israeli Defence Forces administered two tests unaltered that
qualify as IQ tests. These were the Matrices and the Instructions tests. The former is
an adaptation of Raven’s Progressive Matrices, similar to the original in that there are
clusters with progressive difficulty and an escalation of difficulty throughout the test.
The raw score range is from 4 to 35. The Instructions test is adapted from the old US
Army Alpha Instructions Test and is described as an Otis-type verbal test. It includes
21 open-ended instructions. Typical items: write the last letter of the word which is the
opposite of black; write the third letter of the largest word among the following four
words; find the word beginning and ending with the same letter and write that letter.
There are similar questions using numbers rather than letters. Both tests are timed, and
most subjects do not complete either. There is no penalty for wrong answers
today the smartest europeans are supposedly the estonians and finns.
go back 500 years and these were regarded as savages by french, germans, northern italians, spanish…
but no. history ended about 50 years ago, and now every people performs equal to its genetic endowment.
britain was a backwater when modern english first emerged with thomas malory and even when shakespeare lived it was not anything like what it would become.
the largest empire in the history of the world…still the largest in a way. but its capital has moved from rome (london) to constantinople (the acela corridor).
even in brah-zee-oo. every night at dusk the alto-falantes would play Jerusalem a hymn composed to a poem by william blake.
english people are creepy but in a much more charming way than germans. that’s what so horrible about them. charm. it’s deadly.
you are a construction worker or a landscaper my man. i can guarantee you work either job. i would be very disappointed in myself if you werent. lol.
About 44.9% percent of Israel’s Jewish population identify as either Mizrahi or Sephardi, 44.2% identify as Ashkenazi, about 3% as Beta Israel and 7.9% as mixed or other.[27]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel#Jews
Okay different sources give different results (or has it changed?). I’ll have to split the difference & recalculate.
elon lindenstrauss was the israeli fields person. he was almost 40 at award. the fields is only to below 40. this is interesting…
because the psychologists will say that a certain type of IQ peaks between 18 and 26.
but even in the case of mathematics and theoretical physics…
my guess is…
how do i put it?
it’s a shame that this is the peak age, because these fields are so developed that no one can be that young anymore and contribute something revolutionary. it just takes too much time to climb to the current level of science, so to say.
PP you fucking douchebag why do always let comments like “RR’s Ghost Penis” slide yet block comments where i respond to such stupidity?
[redacted by pp, 2022-02-05]
wait nvm you never posted any comments since i posted mine. hope you see and post it Pumpkin it is for the best in our community to get Mug of Piss and other faggot boomers outta here!
you attacked him first, I was just letting him respond
well if i attacked him first and then he attacked me let me attack him again since he didnt learn his lesson!
if i punch him in the mouth and he punches me back i have every right to punch him again until he gets why i punched him in the mouth right?
it’s funny how christians fret about “the problem of evil” and the hindus have an elegant solution…
karma.
but why do the hindus regard karma and reincarnation as self-evident, like 2 + 2 = 4.
i don’t get it.
i think i know, but i’m not sure…
my answer: because it follows from the (belief in the) ultimate reality (not of material things but of) the good, the beautiful, the true…
morality is not an emergent phenomenon.
it is ultimate reality.
the taboos are just about blacks.
the people “nice white ladies” want as pets.
so the hysteria in america…
it’s really just about blacks.
beaners are cool. who doesn’t know this? they’re honorary whites even if they’re black. and they’re yuge racists. i rememeber i thought he was black and i said something that let him know…he was incensed…thenceforth he called me “english fag”, because for mexicans all white people are english.
yeah. sad.
i have to break it to peepee.
there is no racism in america or canada except…
against wypipo and “asians”.
Yes there is. You just have a man crush on black guys so don’t realize how other white people see them.
Youre social judgement is so bad puppy. Just because the NYT says blacks are being persecuted doesn’t mean thats whats happening. Actually the opposite is happening. Any black with an IQ above 100 is being offered jobs as investment bankers or top law firms. If you are black and you have no criminal record, women cry in celebration of your achievements.
Only in the past 20 years or so has that been the case, and affirmative action from elites has only recently begun to negate racism from the masses. Trump got elected president running on racism against Obama. How stupid do you have to be to think there’s no ant-black racism. You have terrible social judgement. There’s no nuance or ability to hold opposing ideas in mind at once. You just mindlessly agree with every big husky redneck you meet in a sports bar or should I say gay bar, because we know you’re into that too.
Phrases you will never see pill write:
“but at the same time”
“while also”
He lacks the working memory to hold opposing ideas in mind at the same time so nested sentences are not part of his verbal repertoire. He could have a high social IQ if his brain were capable of parallel processing.
^^^^
Pill cant even properly convey a single point that is not crystallized in his retarded head!
he is a retard!
the biggest division at genetic level between humans is…
sub-saharans and everyone else.
That’s what geneticists used to think, not sure if they still think that
Mug youre a conman! the people dont want to listen to you because you make no sense!
Francis Crick had an IQ of 123 and Watson had an Iq of 124. this must be heartbreaking to user Teffec P. but to others such as myself i find it hilariously laugh-track worthy!
…that is exactly what the projection shows…
“projection” doesn’t sound like a FACT.
So basically you dont believe in HBD. Idiot. And instead you believe the jan 6th riot was an inside job or that “Im a patsy” Oswald really killed JFK single handedly. Idiot.
i believe in HBD. just not the way HBDers do. and no one believes it the way the classical racists did. they thought race was the primary determinant of personality. now everyone knows that there’s yuge overlap for all races…the smartest negro is smarter than 99% of ash jews, for example.
[redacted by pp, 2022-02-06]
yes. i believe the best theory is that oswald acted alone. but that doesn’t mean it’s a good theory. it’s just that all the other theories are even worse. and i believe the second best theory is that oswald was hired by the mob. i believe there was only one gunman. yes. and it was oswald.
and i don’t believe that 1/6 was an inside job in a simplistic sense. i don’t believe the people in the capitol were all feds for example.
but i am adamant that george floyd was not killed. (and by that i mean he was not killed whether he is alive or dead today.)
about that i will never change my mind.
never.
WTF you don’t accept Goerge Floyd is even dead?!! HAHAHAHAHAHA. You are worse than Alex Jones.
how is me saying Pumpkin has this or that any different than you implicating autism in his case or anything else for that matter?
the answer is because you dont actually have clear judgment. you are a fool Pill. a puppet. youre being played.
also youre a fucking Gypsy! how is that bad judgment?
you have no self worth buddy just accept it. you will never achieve the things i achieved and am set to achieve Pill. honestly go get a fucking real job and stop staying in your moms basement and jacking off to whatever perverted and societally detrimental things you find arousing are!
no dumbass!
1. if george floyd died under chauvin’s knee his death had absolutely nothing to do with chauvin’s knee or the other cops restraining him.
2. i wouldn’t be surprised if the whole thing was a psyop and floyd is still alive.
We need Mugabe and Loaded to have stupid-off where they answer increasingly easier questions until one of them gets something right.
if you provide the questions i’ll provide the stupid.
Pill youre such a funny guy. why do you think i would be LESS successful if i had stayed in Pakistan than what my current situation in the West is?
i mean there are reasons to say that i would have achieved less in some respects but i certainly wouldve been happier there.
you and other narcissistic psychopaths like my parents and Mug of Piss are the reason why ive even had a shred of hard times in this life!
i dont mean to demean you your whole generation is a bunch of pussies who cant stand for truth and the people in my generation are fucking idiots who think people like you should be respected due to your age.
its a con mans world im just living in it.
Well in fairness Mugabe has a Phd in Chemistry so there must be something to work with. If you repeat Devils Chessboard enough times, the theory is that he’ll eventually read it.
But Loaded…
I don’t think we have anything to work with with Loaded. Hes an illegal immigrant and throws his faeces at the wall when he’s upset. Loaded have you ever accomplished anything intellectually?
i did start reading it and determined it was retarded so i stopped.
So you thought Allen Dulles bullshit in the Warren Report was more plausible? This is what I mean about how bad your judgement is.
i AGREE with you, i think.
i believe that the CIA and FBI are criminal organizations and if i were president i’d have a stand off with them.
i’d refuse to sign anything until they were dissolved and ALL classified info was released.
it’s not a question of “more plausible”.
the single best theory is what the warren commission came up with.
so if in my stupid-off i were asked:
“which is more likely: oswald acted alone or he was a patsy or he was part of a conspiracy?”
i’d say:
a patsy OR a conspiracy TOGETHER…
LESS likely than ALONE!
If Loaded stayed in Pakistan theres a good chance that he could be a taxi driver or some sort of public toilet cleaner. With illegal immigration, this idiot actually has a shot of being white collar. Lol.
Pill you are a malevolent narcissist. what have you accomplished? all you do is worship white people as a fucking GYPSY!
youre a fucking GYP! thats worse than whatever i may be even if Mug of Piss thinks im from a shithole. youre a white worshipping GYPSY my man!
whites are complete bastards need to be [redacted by pp, 2022-02-06] for their sins. yet as a non-white man you still worship them like the cuckold you are.
youre pathetic!
??? Where did you get gypsy from? Your judgement is so bad its cringeworthy. The other day you said Puppy had bipolar and PTSD….Honestly I think you should be deported.
LOADED is an example of how the media lies. the race haters are mostly people who hate wypipo, not “white supremacists”.
of course this is a new development. white supremacism was taken for granted when white countries were the only developed countries. but it didn’t involve hatred of non-whites. wypipo wanted to make everyone like them…but a lot of them were just in colonialism for the money.
why aren’t more people killed when pakistan and india have a test match?
other peoples who ACTUALLY hate each other:
irish catholics and protestants.
greeks and turks.
jews and arabs.
Instead, poor performance by blacks is proof that whites are doing something evil. I mean, it couldn’t possibly be that blacks are also poorly performing elsewhere. I mean, of course that’s true, but the fact that it’s true just proves it’s a stereotype and therefore isn’t true. Or something. Anyway, race doesn’t exist. And race is also the most important thing in the world. In any case, I hate you because you are hateful. Or hate-filled, it doesn’t matter, the point is that some people are fated to be the Bad Guys and others the Good Guys, and knowing the difference is all that matters because I’m smart and you’re stupid.
Very funny and apt commentary by Steve Sailer.
I didn’t know Southern Universities had things called Honour Codes. Something like that could not possibly work with blacks or jews.
yeah. this idea that the way to help blacks is for wypipo to be even less rayciss is ACTUALLY a way of avoiding helping blacks with what they really need…
$$$
but “white trash” needs the same.
how can peepee not see that idpol is predicted by marx?
I agree that elites focus on racial injustice because it doesn’t cost them anything, unlike economic injustice & because it divides and conquers the masses. But there’s still racism against blacks, even if it’s starting to be negated by affirmative action. This has been proven in study after study.
Idiot. If I was black and had the exact same IQ, same CV with all the times I’ve been fired, same schizotypal personality disorder, same everything…I would be working for Goldman Sachs right now and people would invite me to forums to talk about sustainability or some bullshit.
No if you were black you’d be homeless because you would not have parents who would let you stay in their basement.
And no Goldman Sachs would NEVER keep a black version of you on their staff because you lack the social judgement to know what’s expected of an affirmative action hire. The delicate politics of those jobs are too subtle for you. A black version of you (assuming a black version of your generous parents) would have been fired just as many times, just from better jobs & might even be even less employable because people would wonder why you weren’t able to benefit from affirmative action.
I agree that in recent decades, millions of blacks have benefited from their skin colour, but millions have also been incarcerated for their colour, forced into lower IQ communities and had their homes devalued.
I’ve also made the same point as Mugabe a million times and each time it has been censored by Puppy. If the jewish elites who run America really wanted to help blacks they could end black poverty literally tomorrow. But they don’t. I would guess 90% of jewish elites are HBD aware and know why blacks are poor in the first place and it ain’t ‘wayythattithm’.
So which is it? Is being black an advantage because you get help from Jews or do Jews just pretend to help while keeping blacks down? Make up your mind, dumbass.
Pill doesnt have values! he cant see that empathy and other things exist for other people. he is a simple-minded cynic.
Hypocrite. You just gave me a lecture on holding two contradictory ideas in my head and now I saw something seemingly contradictory, your head starts spinning. Idiot.
The fact is blacks are poor puppy and jews could end it tomorrow by giving them money. Instead jews have decided to ‘help’ blacks by brainwashing whites into treating them like movie stars. It helps at the margins, but is not a solution to blacks poverty. Can you hold that explanation in your head without your head exploding? Is that too subtle for you?
Exactly. It helps at the margins, but it’s not the panacea you make it out to be & it doesn’t necessarily negate the white privilege and anti-black racism that still exists
https://news.stanford.edu/news/2010/july/hands-craigslist-study-071910.html
“millions have also been incarcerated for their colour,”
Way to go Puppy. Copying and pasting NYT headlines into your blog comments. Blacks go to jail for breaking the law not their skin colour dumbass. If a black doesn’t break any law, nobody can arrest them for being black.
In reality the truth is even more severe than that – many police officers are AFRAID of arresting blacks in case they get called ‘racist’ by the jews in the NYT.
Whites who break the law don’t get caught because they live in low crime areas where the police are less suspicious & they are less likely to be stopped by the police in the first place. That’s called white privilege, my little dumb-dumb:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41562-020-0858-1
“but millions have also been incarcerated for their colour”
No, they were incarcerated for committing crimes
Anyone see the massive story that Jeff Zucker at CNN got pushed out over an office romance??? I find that really hard to believe. I think he was framed or told to step down. My supposition is that maybe ol’ Zucker in his elder years was going to easy on the white gentiles and Robert Rubin and co. wanted some fire breathing Tim Wise type jew to run CNN. What do you think?
I think he stepped down over this to detract attention from something worse he’s guilty of
Mugabe is right though. Loaded’s anti white bigotry is hilarious considering everything he has and will ever achieve is due to living among whites and not say, his own people back in mmbackyystan.
Pretty good chance Loaded would be married to his cousin right now if he stayed among his people.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/feb/06/trump-election-advisers-snake-oil-salesmen-mike-pence-aide
I can’t wait to see who Trump picks as his vice presidential running mate in 2024. It could be Ivanka! Hahahaha.
Pill Mug you have to admit you both have the emotional maturity of a ten year old at best.
there is no way you can still be a 50 year old virgin like Pill and a demented Boomer rapist like Mug and think youre cool.
i am 26. that means by the time i reach your age i will have achieved much more than any of you both on a personal level and a societal level.
its crazy to think you both are 50+ and act the way you do. its fucking nuts to think these people are even deemed competent enough to be let outside of cages at this point! sickening!
You are a self admitted illegal immigrant. I already achieved more than anything you ever will simply by not being a criminal.
thats nice Pill now go take your schiz meds.
crime is subjective and so is self worth and success. you literally have the emotional ability of a five year old yet you sit here and argue with people for hours about how youre the only one who is right!
thats delusional!
…because they invented all the great shit…if you go against that group you’re gonna lose… — milo
he may be right. if the great war and ww ii are guide, there is a part of white men which is more satanic than anything any other race of men has…but it lies dormant like a volcano…
but maybe he’s wrong and white men will go gently into their own good night.
an example of ACTUAL ethnic hatred:
the pale was a region of the russian empire where jews were allowed.
but there was another pale of settlement…
and this is the origin of the phrase.
but who knows this?
beyond the pale originally referred to the irish, the natives of ireland, there being a pale of settlement by the english and later the scots.
i assert the following proposition apodictically:
if floyd died on that day he was NOT killed or murdered or whatever.
is this too complicated for you to unnuhstan?
my doctor told me i couldn’t play with scientologists like LOADED and wahabis like peepee because they encourage me to drink.
so if i don’t comment know that it is to save my liver and my soul.
i remember i told the saudi in college how the Guiness Book had claimed the “ll” in “allah” was a unique sound, found in no other languages…of the 6,000 languages…
he told me, “ah! it’s stressed. it’s a stressed consonant!”
LOADED has converted to the religion of capitalism and neo-liberal anglo-zionist imperialism.
it’s a dead end LOADED.
the sexy beast that is TODAY…
neoliberalanglozionistimperialism.
live a few decades.
it’s in its death throws.
sss-OR-ee.
of course i meant “death throes” not “death throws”.
i support jordan peterson as PM.
but strangely this video is still very easy to find.
PP, What do you think is the primary determinant of personality?
DNA