A reader sent me the following email:
Dear PP,
I recently stumbled upon your blog and find it quite fascinating. I’ve been interested in IQ and psychometrics for many years and have taken many online assessments and standardized exams to gauge my own IQ. Interestingly enough, however, it seems that the more tests I take, the less conclusive my IQ range becomes due to high variances in scores.
This is why I’m turning to you, an expert on this topic, to request an estimation. For one, in elementary school I was tested for the gifted program and unfortunately rejected. This tells me that my childhood IQ was beneath 130, which I believe is the cutoff for most school gifted programs.
Yes, but the mere fact that you were tested for gifted suggests you were probably close. Perhaps 125 (U.S. norms).
The reader continues:
However, all the standardized exams that I’ve taken (which you’ve claimed to be valid proxies for IQ) seem to tell a different story. My scores are as follows:
SAT (Taken 2017) – Math 800, Verbal 720
ACT (Taken 2017) – 34 Composite
I was also ranked 6/945 in my high school class for GPA. I figured this might be relevant given the large sample size and the notion that academic performance correlates with IQ. Since my high school was in a lower-middle class area, we can assume a relatively normally distributed sample with an average akin to the American population average. All the students ranked ahead of me were Asian, and I am South Asian myself (Indian).
A post-2016 SAT score of 1520 equates to an IQ of about 132. I’ve done very little research on the ACT but apparently a 34 on the SAT is like 1535 on the post-2016 SAT which equates to an IQ of 133.
The reader continues:
I’m also currently an undergraduate (a double major in mathematics and economics) and have been studying for the GRE. My diagnostic score for the GRE, with little to no preparation, was a 157 Verbal and 166 Quantitative. I’ve since improved to a 163 Verbal and 167 Quantitative for my second practice exam.
Averaging across both sittings, you scored 160 V and 167 Q for a composite of 327. Preliminary research suggests this equates to an IQ of 143.
Averaging the SAT, ACT & GRE together, your mean IQ equivalent on college admission tests is 136. Normally I don’t endorse the averaging of tests but these particular tests are so similar that it’s not worth the trouble of considering them different tests.
Meanwhile, your score on an official IQ test was probably around 125.
Given that official IQ tests correlate no more than 0.7 with college admission tests, your score on a composite of both types of tests would be about 134.
I had a couple follow-up questions which the reader answered in another email:
…
my socioeconomic background is generally lower-middle class. My high school was located in the suburbs but had many students from the nearby urban area…
One caveat to my socioeconomic status, which applies particularly to my situation, was that I grew up in a single-parent household. Both my parents were highly educated (held graduate degrees) but my father unfortunately passed away when I was young.
I’m very sorry to hear that, but at least he lived long enough to pass on his high IQ genes through you.
This obviously influenced my household income.
As for my ethnic background, I come from a Brahmin ancestry. Although I’m not a practicing Hindu, I recognize that this could have played a role in my generally well-educated familial background.
Indeed!
Pumpkin why do you not allow criticism of yourself? isnt it a bit disingenuous and contradictory to the science of this blog.
also i remember testing gifted on the California GATE exam (i got into their “seminar” program which was a select group of students who scored highly on the Raven’s matrices test they gave) due to lots of practicing. i received a ~75th percentile first time and much higher than the 98th percentile requirement the second time. but this test was made for kids and there was no time limit so i literally spent hours in the testing room!
I allow lots of criticism
the wrong types though which usually are personal attacks not any on your scientific or academic endeavors.
Pumpkinperson is ugly
thats a fair criticism.
PP,
The test I took in 2005 where I scored 1471. I still know nothing about it other than it uses the same score system as the SAT. Can you help me determine its validity?
What was it called again? The New Mexico something? My guess is like the SAT, it was normed so that those who take it average 1000 but those who take it might be all high school students instead of the college bound elite who take SATs.
Hard to find info about this test, but I found this:
“All students in New Mexico public schools must take and pass all six subtests of the High School
Competency Examination in order to graduate. Students first take the examination in the 10th
grade and may repeat annually any subtest that they fail. Students may repeat subtests up to five
years after high school completion with a certificate. For the February 2001 examination, the
passing score was raised from 150 to 175 for 10th graders and all first-time test takers.”
Since there are 6 subtests and each require 175 to pass, a passing score might equate to 175*6 = 1050.
About 70% of general education students pass all 6 subtests so 1050 probably equates to an IQ around 92.
Pumpkin look at how big my cranium was when i was a kid. its fucking huge compared to how small my face is.
ive always had a huge cranium though since birth relative to the rest of my skull so its of no surprise to me hahah.
I scored 33 on the ACT. Since I took it at age 15 or 16 (not sure) without any preparation beyond two hours of math review, I’ll propose that it underestimated my ability
I took a mock SAT last year and scored 1520, I think. I know I got 800 on Verbal, but I’m not sure about Math.
The ACT seems like the SAT for white trash.
It’s dependent on region. Midwesterners and Southerners take the ACT. I agree that the SAT is better because the ACT is super speeded and more of an achievement test.
1050/92=11.41
1471/11.41=128
1471 = (g)128
It doesn’t work that way.
how would you get an IQ function?
We’d need two data points from which to infer a linear relationship. Right now we only have one.
this is a picture of me from eight years old. dont ask me how i found it (okay fine….i got doxxed and this picture came up lmao!).
Why can’t you just accept youre a dumb guy? Whats the big deal?
Because youre a lot dumber than I am. So it would be like a pot calling the kettle black which would make no sense which is why i think you must be legitimately mentally retarded due to being a schizophrenic.
I’m debating with myself about the wisdom of posting a picture of myself here
If you ever do it, do it in that Charles Amaral style.
Do it!
They will cancel you, G! Focus on edifying yourself and getting cut. RESIST the TENDIES. Remember: nothing tastes as good as being lean feels.
No need to edify, I’m already an edifice
Once again Teffec is wrong. the tendies are the only reason youre alive. remember that and know your place.
Osama bin lyin’ to you, G. Rise above. “No man has the right to be an amateur in the matter of physical training. It is a shame for a man to grow old without seeing the beauty and strength of which his body is capable.” – Socrates
Yes, Ganzman. Show face and bulge!
Did you just assume my gender AND genitalia?
even comments like the above are vulgar and strange. how can you approve them and then block mine!? the sheer hypocrisy!!!
“Given that official IQ tests correlate no more than 0.7 with college admission tests”
I thought it was about 0.8?
In academically homogenous samples it’s probably 0.8+ but if all American teens (not just the college-bound elite) took both the SAT and the WAIS, it would be closer to 0.7 or less, judging from how much Ivy League students regress to the mean when they take the WAIS.
Huh? Wouldn’t that RAISE the correlation by increasing the range?
only if all else were equal
meaning?
I’m guessing because the people who don’t take the test would be less prepared, so it’d be comparing apples and orange?
correct
You bet your manly ass, Ganzhunk!
Pumpkin, long time no talk! have you ever written an article on the effect of drugs on IQ and cognition? I was looking through your archives and going through Google Scholar to try to find the short-term and long-term effects of marijuana and amphetamine use on cognition. I’m trying to stop taking both because I’m afraid they might cause brain damage. Lately I’ve just been taking coffee and nicotene gum to power study 12+ hours. I really need a 3.5 GPA this semester b/c this company is about to hire me for their in-house counsel but I wanna make sure resume is as good as possible. Thank you for all your help PP, you and the commenters on this blog have really guided me in a positive direction on a number different topics over the last 5 years and I still try to read when I can!!
Gman I guarantee you will get that job unless you shot the partner in the head or something. A black in house counsel would be a treasured diversity totem in any western firm. Look at Afro.
Pill you are so bad at assessing someones worth that i think it comes from your own narcissism and lack of self-worth. have you considered that?
Loaded it’s impossible to convince Pill he is wrong because he believes he has very high social intelligence, yet he refuses to take any tests that could prove this.
Yo look I’m tryna get paid. My grades are just in the middle of the class but I really want a high-powered job so I can be successful and have 5 children and maybe change the world. Maybe donate money to important projects and causes I believe in. So if this company that I’m talking to (they provided environmental services and help ensure regulatory compliance to federal and state laws for other companies they contract w/) hires me as a token diversity hire then so be it. I’ve drafted a bunch of memos and complaint letters and did some position papers for them on regulatory issues and they love everything I do…I just hope it turns into something permanent…I think I’ll be making 6-figures within the next year or so….
Pill if you think blacks have it so easy, then hit the tanning machine & get some dreadlocks & see how far you can go. Put up or shut up!
Haha this would make a great documentary. Camera crew could follow pill around for a year as he tries to get a job as a black man. LOL!
Youre such an idiot. Right now hundreds of executive search firms are scanning the market for well qualified black anything to be board members or whatever. I give it 5 years before Gman is asked to be a non-executive board member in a large firm if he gets the counsel job.
Back when there was major racism in the 1980s, many blacks bleached themselves to pass as white. If being black is now an advantage, hit the tanning machine & get some dreadlocks!!!
[redacted by pp, 2021-07-30]
Who the hell do you think you’re talking to? Blocked for 24 hours.
if businesses are on the business of making money why would they practice affirmative action any more than required to avoid lawsuits? i assume only if the business was run by crazy woke-tards. but my guess is there aren’t many such businesses, but a few of them are very big and well known like the bay area tech firms.
I wrote a paper in college about women in STEM. I thought it was much less controversial than race and made it as anodyne as my integrity would allow, but my Jewish advisor got pretty feisty about it regardless (it’s not relevant that he’s Jewish, but it is). A Ph.D. student there thanked me in private and encouraged me to pursue postgrad, but I couldn’t wait to be done with school. A shame how pretty much everyone in the social sciences is irretrievably blue-pilled.
but if peepee thinks that business doesn’t want blacks who “get ‘er done” she’s stupid.
if a black makes high scores in some objective test they love them.
OBJECTIVE measures end racism. “but objective measures are racist!” quoth rr.
the one guy who outscored me on the wonderlic was a black guy…a light skinned black guy from rural washington…he owned horses! everyone claims to have been a navy seal, but he probably was. and he was the best hire the business ever made.
Pill how much has your cognitive decline been due to schizophrenia and how much of it was just being from a dumbass?
Loaded why wont you accept that you are in no way whatsoever cognitively gifted? Whats so bad about it? Youre biggest problem is being an illegal immigrant, not having a low IQ.
youre right im not cognitively gifted but youre cognitively retarded and it pisses me off that you think otherwise.
peepee should do a poll of her one reader: are you vaccinated? if no why?
fun fact: Donald Trump and his wife were one of the first ones to receive the vaccine right before he left the White House in January.
This would be interesting!
I am and I somewhat regret it. But I did at least get the Moderna one, which is supposedly the most similar to previous, better-tested vaccines and thus probably the least likely to cause detrimental side effects later.
I somewhat regret it.
Did your parents attend university?
One did and got a Bachelor’s, the other went to what I would describe as trade school
I decided by weighing the following six factors:
1. Short-term harm to self (low with any covid vaccine, basically zero with Moderna to my knowledge)
2. Possible, unknown long-term side effects (unknowable, but probably lowest with Moderna)
3. Risk to self from covid-19 (pretty low, I think it’s likely I’ve already had it and didn’t show symptoms, but I’ve never been tested)
4. Risk posed to others from giving them covid-19 (like my old grandmother… although, counterbalancing, I would like to get that sweet, sweet inheritance money sooner rather than later)
5. Dislike of authority and groupthink in general
6. Possible restrictions on what I can do if I don’t get it
I figured that 1 and 3 were basically non-factors, while 2 and 5 combined were smaller than 4 and especially 6 combined. I hate giving into groupthink, and it’s always possible I’ll develop terminal ligma in 20 years because I took it, but sometimes you have to give into dumb bullshit.
This pandemic is Dumb and Dumber. “Dumb” being the people who want to SHUT DOWN EVERYTHING over a chest cold, “Dumber” being the people who believe any nonsense they read on Facebook as long as it’s paranoid enough. But the title of “Dumbest” is reserved for the United States federal government for their staggering incompetence at managing any aspect of the situation.
no it actually happened. lmao. inside jokes. lmao.
Also all the Fox News propagandists have the shot, but they still lie about the vaccine!
This defective looking face makes it clear:
https://imagesvc.meredithcorp.io/v3/mm/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Fstatic.onecms.io%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Fsites%2F6%2F2018%2F03%2Flaura-ingraham-2000.jpg&q=85
LOADED is more beautiful than Laura Ingraham, WTF is wrong with her?! Ingraham and Tucker should be in an asylum
aw well thanks Lorenzo. i appreciate your compliment and i do despise these white conservatives as well. highly racist and just a mockery because of their anti-intellectualisms.
Head size/circumference seems to be an attribute that is mainly related to nonverbal intelligence and memories. i think neural wiring has more to do with verbal though.
also the boskop man has yet to be debunked but is it even possible for any hominid group to have an IQ of 150 on average?
maybe oprah is a boskopoid.
I could see that.
I think headsize/circumference is correlated to memory and multitasking ability. I have two friends who had bigger heads and excelled at these traits compared to others PP, too seems to have a very good memory. Are you a good multitasker, PP?
I also noticed that those two friends seem to plan everything/ mist things ahead more than others. I dont know if it has something to do with head size. Do you have a tendency to plan more compared to other people, PP?
Not really
future orientation and brain size are probably pretty correlated because of executive functioning being highly dependent on the frontal lobe alone. i agree with the premises stated in your comment pretty strongly.
WM 95 PS 90 causes me severe anxiety. It is really hard to think. I feel stuck whenever I have a hard problem to solve.
I feel this problem in the right front side of my head. I feel nothing on the left side.
I thought it was OCD but my brain is just working too hard.
I need to get it to stop.
Ganzir how are your parents so undereducated and yet you have a 150+ IQ? my mother has two PhDs, one in Pakistan and one from the States, as well as a Masters from a prestigious program, and then my dad has a Bachelors and a Masters as well. both were in STEM.
also what do you think your social IQ is Ganzir? Id say around average maybe even below (105-115) and thats not that odd for very high IQ people like yourself who usually have deficits in that area. didnt you say you had autism?
people such as yourself might have huge cognitive tilts that are explainable in many ways. Pumpkin what even is the correlation between social and general intelligence anyways!?
if china people dominated federal campaign donations would we be allowed to talk about it?
i think LOADED is a genius because he has rich parents.
hebrew speaking israelis scored reading, math, science 506, 490, 491.
https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Israeli-students-consistently-behind-developed-world-study-shows-609729
all of these are below white american scores according to steve sailer.
Because Hebrew speakers includes Sephardic Jews. Only Ashkenazim evolved high IQ.
You’re forgetting the Mizrahis who make up a larger % of Israel’s population.
Most data on Ashkenazi IQ comes from the Anglosphere (UK + US). Do we know if Ashkenazis elsewhere are as high as 110, because they may have been selected for IQ by immigration?
FALSE. and doesn’t explain unless ashkenazi IQ isn’t so high or non-ashkenazi is really low.
Jews from Europe and the former Soviet Union and their descendants born in Israel, including Ashkenazi Jews, constitute approximately 50% of Jewish Israelis. Jews who left or fled Arab and Muslim countries and their descendants, including both Mizrahi and Sephardi Jews,[330] form most of the rest of the Jewish population.[331][332][333] Jewish intermarriage rates run at over 35% and recent studies suggest that the percentage of Israelis descended from both Sephardi and Ashkenazi Jews increases by 0.5 percent every year, with over 25% of school children now originating from both communities.[334]
On a scale where whites score 100, Israeli Ashkenzi score 103 & the Sephardic Jews score 91 according to Lynn (2006).
why do people confuse “sephardi” with non-ashkenazi. there are many more jewish ethnicities. mizrahi, yemeni, bokharian, etc. they are distinguished by the language they speak. the ashkenazi speak yiddish, a type of german. the sephardi speak ladino, a type of spanish. the mizrahi speak judeo-arabic, etc.
lynn used the term Oriental Jew but I thought that would be a confusing term to use.
so lynn is claiming that jews do in fact greatly outperform their genetic endowment. just like flynn claimed the same was true of chinese americans.
yes, lynn argues that IQ alone can’t explain Jewish achievement although the expected achievement of a group with a given IQ is hard to know because of multiplyer effects
two other famous non-ashkenazi names are montefiore, sephardic, and the safra brothers from brazil, lebanese.
as mugabe has said so many times, the outstanding jewish ethnicity used to be the sephardic not the ashkenazi.
so again: change in environment and thus the gxe effect is a better explanation than that the ashkenazim were always latent geniuses and the sephardim dullards.
all of the first jewish communities in the americas were sephardic. including the US. my guess is american sephardim outmarried themselves out of existence a long time ago but there are still some have surnames like “azaria”. jerry seinfeld’s mother’s name was “hosni”. her parents immigrated to the US from syria.
but even if spain had been conquered it had no jews as they had been expelled 500 years before. but north africa did have lots of sephardi jews back then and the nazis never brought the holocaust to north africa for the brief period they controlled it iirc.
it’s inetersting how the supposed world’s smartest people are only so smart because they are half european…
my dad’s friend was a total racist against non-ashkenazi jews. “it’s my people the ashkenazim who are the smartest not those people.” and i’ve seen comments like “i’m german jewish, russian jews are gross.”
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9848113/Tokyo-Olympics-Second-fastest-man-historys-stunned-reaction-beaten-Aussie-sprinter.html
first a black American girl won the Spelling Bee now a white Australian male wins the 100m dash. crazy.
will su bingtian win gold and prove mugabe right once again. he had the fastest qualifying time.
I’m curious:
WHY ARE YOU HERE?*
1. Entertainment (Laughs, sniping, boasting, voyeuristic impulse, etc.)
2. To glean wisdom, knowledge, etc.
3. To impart wisdom, knowledge, etc.
4. To vent, bear one’s soul, etc.
5. To enjoy a sense of comradery
6. Other (Please specify)
Responses should be numerical (in series, if applicable) with explanatory note(s), where warranted.
* Not ontologically speaking; on the forum of PP’s site 8O)
Thanks. – jc
In a word: ill-considered.
4, 3, 1, 5.
its one thing to be stupid enough to ask why people are on here its another reason to believe that being on here is limited to those choices honestly. having an other category is too vague and high IQ people should not limit themselves in any particular circumstance by referring to themselves to a survey like this to explain why they do what they do. just my understanding.
Ouch
no need to feel bad just remarking how things could be better if you understood them better honestly.
I’m feeling well, but thanks.
1 (almost always high or drunk when I comment)
2 (PP is a unique thinker, and most commenters are high in ideation)
4 (almost always high or drunk when I comment)
Yes, P is indeed a unique thinker. Incidentally, I did virtually all of my drinking before age 18 (that is to say, decades ago) 🙂
By the way, for me it’s simply 1 (I occasionally enjoy the more serious discussions of intelligence)
I should add, entry 6 may include Nunzio (Nunzio damn business)
Puppy time to unban
Is spatial IQ really average? In the famous Backmann study, Jews scored only 91 on spatial, compared to 100 for non-Jewish whites. Cochran estimates that Ashkenazi Jews score a half standard deviation below non-Jewish whites on spatial tests…</i.
which proves what rr has said: IQ doesn't measure any THING.
all it measures is rank in IQ test score.
g is a population variable applied to individuals, totally gay.
and as populations vary so will g.
in the age of identity politics one could simply define his group as all those who are good at what i'm best at, and then claim he was as smart as anyone.
Is spatial IQ really average? In the famous Backmann study, Jews scored only 91 on spatial, compared to 100 for non-Jewish whites. Cochran estimates that Ashkenazi Jews score a half standard deviation below non-Jewish whites on spatial tests…</i.
which proves what rr has said: IQ doesn't measure any THING.
all it measures is rank in IQ test score.
g is a population variable applied to individuals, totally gay.
and as populations vary so will g.
in the age of identity politics one could simply define his group as all those who are good at what i'm best at, and then claim he was as smart as anyone.
Is spatial IQ really average? In the famous Backmann study, Jews scored only 91 on spatial, compared to 100 for non-Jewish whites. Cochran estimates that Ashkenazi Jews score a half standard deviation below non-Jewish whites on spatial tests…
which proves what rr has said: IQ doesn’t measure any THING.
all it measures is rank in IQ test score.
g is a population variable applied to individuals, totally gay.
and as populations vary so will g.
in the age of identity politics one could simply define his group as all those who are good at what he’s best at, and then claim he was as smart as anyone within his population.
Off-topic like most of my comments and those from others as well but blacks probably seem to have a higher social intelligence than they do because their testosterone is so high theyre so assertive that they can act on their instincts at a more frequent and beneficial manner than those without extraordinarily high testosterone because of the lack of judgment others will impart on them and thus lack of consequences for their actions.
same with a guy like Pill. Seems socially intelligent but like Pumpkin has mentioned this character just seems to accept all the things others would not because of a lowered disgust-threshold that makes him appear socially adept but could be more attributed to callousness for taking on philosophies that others would not. however that may be socially intelligent in itself but it would be subjected to the belief that such individual was dark triad and not high in general factor personality which is a topic for another day.
the expected achievement of a group with a given IQ is hard to know because of multiplyer effects
what’s that you’re saying?
But, but, according to pill, billionaire campaign contributions don’t matter. Only people that matter are secret Master behind the scenes whose so powerful he doesn’t need wealthy because, uh, printing press.
Puppy the world doesn’t operate according to how easy it is to research about something in a magazine. Its a lot more complicated than opening up forbes. [redacted by pp, 2021-08-02]
It’s complicated to you because you don’t get Occam’s razor:
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Occam%27s%20razor#:~:text=%3A%20a%20scientific%20and%20philosophical%20rule,in%20terms%20of%20known%20quantities
The simplest explanation for Jewish influence is we live in a plutocracy & Jews are the biggest campaign donors.
and a small minority of ultra rich with all the power is just as immoral as a small ethnic minority virtually controlling the ruling political party. IT’S WRONG!
but it is more complicated than each media company is just propaganda for the dems or the GOP. the people calling the shots in media are only the same people as the campaign donors when the donors own a media company. the jews who donate to campaigns and the jews who run and staff media companies are generally not the same people. yet they behave as if they were. chomsky calls this “manufacturing consent” but he sees only the rich vs poor angle not the ethnic one of course.
PP, I was just thinking:
What if IQ isn’t normally distributed (even with a given population), but an amalgam of normal distributions?
Like, separate normal distributions for brain size, glucose processing efficiency, glial conduction velocity, etc. And they multiply together to give the IQ distrubtion.
That could explain the “long right tail” phenomenon which seems to exist but necessarily can’t appear on a normalized scale.
PP, I was just thinking:
That’s my job. Stay in your lane. 🙂
Your lane? I have a monopoly on the entire highway!
whats the deepest thought youve ever thought of Pumpkin? from a cosmic perspective.
so peepee’s theory is that china people have higher genetic potential than jews?
NOTICE peepee hasn’t answered.
no that’s not my theory
then your theory is china people have lower genetic potential than jews?
103 < IQ of singapore, hong kong, s korea, etc.
You can’t compare East Asians living in their home country to Ashkenazi Jews living Israel. There are more Ashkenazim in New York than there are in Israel.
now peepee will delete this post: https://pumpkinperson.com/2016/07/16/worlds-smartest-ethnic-group-sorry-jews-not-you/
and prove she’s a jew.
I no longer agree with that article. The Singapore Chinese are not an ethnic group in any meaningful sense.
its my theory. just kidding lmao.
Hey PP,
Can you try to explain something for me? When I was in later middle school, maybe 13, I took an IQ test (I think it was WISC-IV, but maybe WISC-III). IIRC, I scored 152 VIQ, three points from the normal cap (I did not take an extended scale test, so the ceiling would have been 155) and I capped out the Vocab subtest plus many of the other most g-loaded verbal subtests (the psychologist literally ran out of words to give me lol), but only in the high 110’s or maybe low 120’s on PIQ – let’s just say it was 120. But after that, I went on to score an 800 on the math section of the post-2016 SAT (I even got every single question right – a perfect raw score), which your conversions imply corresponds to a PIQ in the low 140s. I have also excelled (straight A’s and one A-) in accelerated and honors math courses at an elite university renowned for both its math department and its grade deflation, at least relative to e.g. the Ivies (it’s not Harvard, so albeit I didn’t take Math 55 or anything). Lastly, I was one question away from a perfect score on the Quantitative section of the first GRE practice test that I’ve taken (an official one from ETS), with relatively little preparation (just reading the review sections in the ETS practice book and doing a few sample exercises), and I made more than one mistake out of pure inattention or haste there, so I very easily could get a perfect QR score, and I think it’s plausible I could even get a perfect raw score with a little more focus and prep (you can get one or two questions wrong in QR and still get a 170).
If the practice test is close to a real test (which is what I’ve heard), this would imply a PIQ of 151 if I were to get a perfect score (as I think not unlikely). But that would imply that my PIQ is at least two SD’s higher than it was originally measured to be in my childhood. Maybe even more, since I seem to have capped out on the SAT and GRE, so a higher-ceiling test could show a yet-higher PIQ score. I’m now 22, so it’s been eight years since I took that IQ test: What’s going on there? What could explain this gap? Am I just a late bloomer? Or is the test easier than your calculations imply? Or what?
I should note that various psychologists have said that I may have Asperger’s, or Non-Verbal Learning Disability, or ADD, I have found my focus greatly improved by prescription stimulants, which I didn’t yet have when I took the IQ test. I also had particularly bad test anxiety as a little kid. And I was super-depressed in middle school (even though the school was for 99th percentile gifted kids, I still didn’t fit in at all), and I sat this IQ test specifically so that I could try and get into a high school for ultra-gifted kids, so I had a lot riding thereon, which made me even more stressed as I was sitting it. I have seen studies showing that stimulants can produce 5-7 point FSIQ gains in people with executive function deficits, like those with ADHD, and that these gains are concentrated in PIQ and less effective for VIQ (something like +9 or +7 to PIQ and only +2 or less to VIQ). Maybe that’s part of it, plus stress/depression, plus late blooming? I’m just not really sure what to think.
Your score on SAT math has little to do with Performance IQ. If anything it relates to your Arithmetic score which was used to calculate verbal IQ.
Then how can you equate between overall SAT and FSIQ? If SAT math has little to do with PIQ, then it seems like little on the SAT as a whole can have much to do with PIQ, in which case I don’t know how it can be a valid proxy for FSIQ, as opposed to just VIQ.
Full-scale IQ just means the IQ you got on the full scale. If the scale only consists of reading and math, then the full-scale reflects only those. No scale measures all of intelligence.
Also, I mean, I got a 170 on the VR, so that would be a 339 overall, which equates to ~154 FSIQ on your conversion. So either way, if your FSIQ conversion is correct, then my PIQ must be substantially higher than I scored on the WISC-III, no? (Even holding fixed my VIQ at 152.)
That does not explain how your own conversions can purport to convert between tests which only measure math and reading, like the SAT or GRE, and IQ tests which also measure PIQ, like the WAIS. How can the “full scale” reflect only reading and math when it is supposed to be converted to a scale which reflects more than that? Or how can the conversion be valid if it doesn’t? Or have I somehow misunderstood what you mean by “conversion,” and this “conversion” is not meant to correspond to any particular IQ test? In which case, what is the point of using average IQ scores of test-takers to calculate it, as in your GRE conversions, or even calling it an “IQ” conversion in the first place?
When we convert college admission scores to IQ scores, we’re simply expressing them on a scale where the mean and SD of the general U.S. young adult population (of that age group) would be 100 and 15 respectively. Whether we call it verbal IQ, math IQ, or composite IQ is just a label based on whether the college admission test is verbal, mathematical or the composite score.
That seems a bit misleading, no? How can you purport to tell e.g. the reader whom you discuss in this post what his IQ is, without (IIRC) adding that qualification? No offense intended, I just find your nomenclature a bit confusing.
For starters I never even used the term “full-scale” IQ in this article
I have only been using “full scale” (written out, as opposed to the “FSIQ” specific to some versions of WAIS and WISC) as a synonym for composite. Nor did I use “full-scale” in my most recent comment. My general point is just that using the term “IQ” without qualification, as in “yet another reader wants to know his IQ” or “converting the GRE to IQ,” seems like it could have the potential for unnecessary confusion. Either way, it doesn’t really matter to me all that much – do as you like.
BTW, what do you think the actual g-loading of the new GRE is? Probably lower than the old one, but how does it compared to contemporary IQ tests?
Mugabe is totally wrong about jews. If you bothered to read some history books about [redacted by pp, 2021-08-02] you’d see there are plenty of examples of jewish genius despite basically living in apartheid conditions in europe. One thing that the jews aren’t lying about is the amount of discrimination they faced in europe. This is why intermarriage between jews remained so high up until about the 1960s.
only a jew would say something so ridiculous.
until about 1800 there couldn’t’ve been any jewish geniuses in the way gentiles care about because all jews were orthodox. all they cared about was religion.
just look at A&E Most Influential People of the Millennium. no jew on the list before marx is my guess. and i was right.
AND notice your boyfriend freud is above hitler on the list. freud is totally hated by contemporary psychologists and psychiatrists.
https://www.mcall.com/news/mc-xpm-1999-10-21-3280156-story.html
You just don’t get it. They were banned from being anything other than a very narrow range of professions and most of the academic work pre 1800 is basically christian theology anyway. When I read history books there tons of examples of ashkenazi jews being savants at math or medicine or whatever despite no formal training or schooling.
When I read history books there tons of examples of ashkenazi jews being savants at math or medicine or whatever despite no formal training or schooling.
^^^100% MADE UP LIE!^^^
academic work pre 1800 is basically christian theology anyway.
^^^100% MADE UP LIE!^^^
galileo, francis bacon, fermat, NEWTON, EULER, descarte, fibonacci, da vinci, roger bacon, william of occam, john locke, etc. etc. etc,
i say, live and let live. let jews do their thing. let europeans do their thing….let europeans do their thing! leav us alone!
i mean jews are maudlin, dishonest, ethnocentric, etc…but i don’t care as long as they leave me alone.
until their redonkulous tfr caused them to overshoot their economic niche in the pale of settlement jews had a very high standard of living in europe, equivalent to that of minor nobility. so they couldn’t attend a gentile university? so what? they had their own. they called them “yeshivot”. but all they taught was religious stuff. this was THEIR problem not that of europeans. when someone says, “i can’t do it because you won’t let me” you’ve always gotta ask, “why not do it yourself then?”
at some point one has to say, “why are europeans blamed for literally everything? i’m sick of it. fuck off!”
it’s like after 100 expulsions and the holocaust i think jews would say to themselves, “he just not that into me.” but they don’t and recently have just turned up the attack on europeans to 11.
jews fear europeans for obvious reasons. BUT they also resent europeans, because european high culture is so obviously superior to anything the chosen people did themselves.
If you read about how Jews lived in Europe the vast majority were not ‘minor nobility’. Thats ridiculous. You don’t know about European history. They basically lived under apartheid and were severely discouraged and banned from trades, professions and higher learning. The jews lie about everything but one thing they are right about is that they were discriminated against and socially maligned. Ashkenazi jewish IQ is genetic – why is that such an uncomfortable thought? Selective breeding from about the middle ages.
what IQ? they score below US whites.
YOU lie about evrything…as might be expected.
what IQ? they score below US whites
You mean on the PISA in Israel? Probably not when you limit the sample to Ashkenazim, and Israel is not necessarily representative of Ashkenazi IQ (most of them live in New York)
you ALREADY quoted lynn above saying ashkenazi jews in israel score 103.
THEY ARE MORE REPRESENTATIVE than american jews regading “genetic IQ” because they can’t specialize…that much. taking american jews as MORE representative is like taking singaporean chinese as more representative BUT WORSE.
we’ve already been through this. do you have a memory?
wtf? are you a jew or what?
Lynn uses a scale where 100 = white mean, not American mean, so 103 is not below the mean of U.S. whites.
just more distraction and pilpul.
ANSWER MY FUCKING QUESTION JEW!
you literally can’t stop lying.
because jew?
i didn’t say the israeli ashkenazim scored below US whites.
and you never said 100 was US whites. you said it was whites.
by PISA scores US whites are way above 100.
can you be consistent jew?
“because they can’t specialize”
As if specialization affects IQ?
of course it does faggot. no one claims IQ is like eye color and very few claim it’s like height. and the evidence is clear from the study of french adoptees. being poor lowers your IQ. being rich raises it ceteris paribus…just not by a lot.
AND that’s without considering the effect of economic status in the womb!
I was looking into careers where you can make a lot of money for doing little or no work and I came across the role of company secretary. AFAIK you are basically facilitating meetings and filling in some regulatory forms. Seems like such an easy job for a 6 figure salary.
It wouldn’t surprise me that in 50 years time, 99% of company secretaries become black.
Simone Biles is kind of weird looking. Like some sort of dwarf or something.
shes basically got the body of a super-muscular 12 year old boy with some tits and ass on top.
That laotian gymnast that represented america and got the gold was hooot.
Mass Effect LE is SO slick! I stayed up all night shooting things in a gorgeous environment. FUN!
Yeah I have it on my to do list. I spent a month procrastinating about starting Spider Man Miles Morales and spent 10 hours on it last night when I finally made myself. Great game.
I think I’m moving back to London soon. My mental health situation seems stable now and all the good jobs are there. But I applied for 1 or 2 jobs on the continent.
Remember: the world isn’t out to get you. You’re good enough, you’re smart enough, and gosh darn it, people like you.
None of these apply in Pills case sadly.
That hedge fund guy Ken Griffin has horrible politics. He said the rich in America don’t have enough power (?!).
an example of how an america without jews would still suck…
BUT they would be “our problems, not yours” as gandhi said.
and the overshoot was only possible BECAUSE the jews could feed dey keeds.
contemplate this map knowing that jews did NOT marry slavs and did NOT convert slavs…the TFR is ABSURD!
tycho brahe, copernicus, kepler,…NOT members of the tribe!
basically jews and others have hijacked europeans’ hatred for their own “trash” and made it a status symbol to hate europeans in general.
It would be interesting to see the early mortality rates of the jews as well. Most were born in grinding poverty whereas most serfs had their farm to fall back on. I don’t think jews were allowed own farmland. The high TFR and the possible high mortality shows that severe selective breeding was taking place where only the smartest could survive?
Most were born in grinding poverty
why does peepee approve these OBVIOUS LIES!
I believe in Pumpkin’s theory on cold winters emphatically because it seems as though when the winters got colder in Europe during the 18th and 19th century despite having no relations to the evolutionary pressures that Asians and whites faced way earlier in their anthropological history it seems as though IQ climbed substantially.
maybe for a variety of factors that were involved but one thing for sure was that colder winters create more selective pressures for intelligence in any society or group!
robert hooke was another gentile genius prior to the haskallah.
what’s even more CHUTZPAH is the only reason why european technical and scientific progress was interrupted or retarded in the dark ages was BECAUSE…
A JEWISH INTELLECTUAL MOVEMENT = CHRISTIANITY.
Interesting thing about finance is how its the 2nd best way for a smart non-upper class guy to get mildly rich but that its very unlikely you will be mega rich doing it. Wouldn’t surprise me if finance actually had a not too low population of liberal minded people compared to something like engineering or something.
And you work really fucking hard in finance. Harder than tech.
yeah. really hard at DESTROYING VALUE.
I am almost done with a degree in finance myself. might be an okay path that i have chosen for myself.
Its basically a lot more likely that someone sets up a tech company and becomes a billionaire than if he invested/gambled to become one. Thats just my observation looking at these rich lists.
pill doesn’t get it. the theory is that in the old days rich people had a higher tfr than poor people because better nutrition made women more fertile and reduced child mortality. so the redonkulous explosion in the jewish population of the pale can only be explained by their having been rich until there were too many of them. and this is the history. the “grinding poverty” only occured after too many because rich…like what’s happened to saudi arabia.
I know have much more in value to give to the world than any autist possibly could just because i realize my potential worth in accordance to interpersonal relationships and understanding of instincts and behaviors that most autists cannot comprehensively attain and fully consider in decision-making and actionable terms tbh.
PP, If you get a chance to ask oprah one question….what would it be?
what pill doesn’t tell you because dishonest is jews were rich because GENTILES were excluded from the occupation of banking for a long time everywhere in europe. this was lifted in northern italy and parts of germany, but lasted long enough in some places that the famous rothschild’s began as what were called “court jews”. that is, the occupation of banking was the same as being a jew so the term for banker to the court was “court jew”. this was the middle 18th c. long after the medici, sforzas, fuggers, etc.
jews were invited to poland/lithuania BECUASE they were already rich businessmen and the rulers thought they could help their economies.
jews also had the yuge advantage in international trade that their nationality wasn’t confined geographically…a jew in riga could do business with a jew in aleppo and their wasn’t the communication or trust problem that a latvian and syrian would have…jews were collectively a global business firm with very high morale and ZERO diversity.
Jews had lots of babies because they were poor. Its the same demographic telltale sign of poverty since the dawn of man. Calling it ‘banking’ glorifies what jews were allowed to do – usury which was morally frowned upon. Jews were allowed basically to do nothing except be parasites. Its probably where they developed that personality profile. Anyhow, you mention all the social benefits of being jewish without the plethora of social disadvantages to being a jew in europe.
^^^LIE^^^
the SUPER FREAKISH population explosion of the jews in the pale of settlement is WHY the khazar theory started…BECAUSE it was so FREAKISH it was UNBELIEVABLE.
https://www.jewishhistory.org/jewish-russia-1800-1850/
STOP LYING YOU FUCKING [redacted by pp, 2021-08-04]
^^^no antisemite ever said^^^
was pill ever a real personality?
how are my comments not getting approved!?!? stop being neurotic Pumpkin and just post them. your image is already tarnished by people like Mug and Pill why not just let it go that you will never have any success in science ever and whatsoever.
i am making great contributions to the thinking styles of people and youre inhibiting them. of course im going to lash at out!
You’re telling PP to not be neurotic? You act like a megalomaniacal martyr. Chill! You have value!
well he is a callous guy with an agenda and when it doesnt go his way he acts neurotic. but anyways im leaving. so see ya!
bye felicia
bye
I think the uneven IQ profile of Ashkenazis points more to bottlenecking than selection as an explanation for their IQ. If they were selected for verbal IQ over centuries then they should’ve picked up more g along the way than they have. They’d score higher across the board and would have noticeably larger brains than White gentiles — just like it is for the White-Black and White-Oriental differences.
Why are the russians still allowed to compete in the olympics? It says they were banned but theyre competing under another banner. Its stupid.
okay this is my last comment before i boycott this place because of the unfair and hypocritical standards of this blog!
Pumpkin made the wrong choice now its time for him to pay! youll be begging for me to come back but of course i have enough self control to not let it happen!
Pumpkin you were a terrible blog owner. hope your site blows up like a supernova (in a bad way).
oh the poor jew…like the palestinian today or the south african negro…
WHY DID THEY LIVE IN EUROPE IN THE FIRST PLACE?
WERE THEY BROUGHT AS SLAVES?
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THEY CAME BECAUSE…
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The Jews in this period were prosperous. Ben-Sasson points out (p. 401) that “ . . . Western Europe suffered virtual famine for many years in the tenth and eleventh centuries, there is no hint or echo of this in the Jewish sources of the region in this period.The city dweller lived at an aristocratic level, as befitted international merchants and honored local financiers.” Their standard of living was that of the lower nobility (Roth, 2002).
Jews enjoyed undisturbed peace and prosperity in the many principalities into which the country was then divided; they formed the middle class in a country where the general population consisted of landlords (developing into szlachta, the unique Polish nobility) and peasants…
For example, they could define their neighborhoods and economic competitors and set up monopolies. This made it very attractive for Jewish communities to pick up and move to Poland.[36]
There were, however, among the reigning princes some determined protectors of the Jewish inhabitants, who considered the presence of the latter most desirable as far as the economic development of the country was concerned.
and was nicknamed by his contemporaries “King of the serfs and Jews.”
Under the rule of Wladislaus II, Polish Jews had increased in numbers and attained prosperity.
According to some sources, about three-quarters of all Jews lived in Poland by the middle of the 16th century.
In the middle of the 16th century, Poland welcomed the Jewish newcomers from Italy and Turkey, mostly of Sephardi origin.
In this period Poland-Lithuania became the main center for Ashkenazi Jewry and its yeshivot achieved fame from the early 16th century.
Poland-Lithuania was the only country in Europe where the Jews cultivated their own farmer’s fields.
In 1648, the multi-ethnic Commonwealth was devastated by several conflicts, in which the country lost over a third of its population (over three million people). The Jewish losses were counted in the hundreds of thousands.
Many Jews along with the townsfolk of Kalisz, Kraków, Poznań, Piotrków and Lublin fell victim to recurring epidemics.[52][53]
Although Jewish losses in those events were high, the Commonwealth lost one-third of its population – approximately three million of its citizens.
The environment of the Polish Commonwealth, according to Hundert, profoundly affected Jews due to genuinely positive encounter with the Christian culture across the many cities and towns owned by the Polish aristocracy. There was no isolation.[54] The Jewish dress resembled that of their Polish neighbor. “Reports of romances, of drinking together in taverns, and of intellectual conversations are quite abundant.” Wealthy Jews had Polish noblemen at their table, and served meals on silver plates.[54] By 1764, there were about 750,000 Jews in the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth. The worldwide Jewish population at that time was estimated at 1.2 million.
By the late 19th century, over four million Jews would live in the Pale.
The harshest measures designed to compel Jews to merge into society at large…
Their living conditions in the Pale began to dramatically worsen.
I think Poland-Lithuania was a great exception in their treatment. Everything I’ve seen from Germany, Russia and Spain indicates they were under apartheid conditions.
kind of a yuge exception considering 75% of all jews in the world, including non-askenazi jews, lived there.
AND FALSE anyway. the jews who lived in western europe were even richer…even though they lived in a ghetto and wore funny hats or whatever…The Merchant of Venice, The Jew of Malta?
there were no pogroms until the 19 c under tsar nicholas i. the jews were expelled because they were conspicuously rich, not because they were poor. drrr! rich from money lending. if jews had been like everyone else except for religion there would’ve been a lot fewer expulsions. it is amazing how many there were before the strategy changed from expulsion to murder…especially considering expulsion was even the nazis’ original plan.
This 75% figure doesn’t seem right to me. I’ve heard of the pale settlement in Poland but I seriously doubt 75% of world jewry lived there at the one time. Theres a book by Simon Schama that would have the answer to this that I have on my to do list.