Commenter Mug of Pee recently confessed that by the age of 13, he achieved the same level of philosophical understanding as RR achieved as an adult.
Mug of Pee’s Wechsler IQ is not known but he did take the WISC-R at age 10. On the WISC-R his lowest score was Digit Span (scaled score 10) and his highest score was Vocabulary (which should have been 19+ judging by his adult vocab).
Although the WISC-R norms were over a decade old, I did not correct for Flynn effects because Digit span and Vocabulary are not especially sensitive to them.
Assuming his mean subtest score was equally between these two extremes (a big assumption) it was 14.5 which equates to a full-scale IQ of 132.
Going by college admission tests, some might say his actual IQ is as high as 160 however commenter pill and I have noticed he lacks common sense, so let’s be conservative and go with his estimated WISC-R score.
Now commenter RR says his own IQ is 108 (tested in high school). If we go by his SAT scores, the figure might be as low as IQ 65 however RR has not been very specific about his SAT scores.
Now adult mental age is defined as 16 because that’s the age beyond which we stop getting smarter.
But out of statistical convenience, adults like RR, who have an IQ of 108 were assigned mental ages of 17.28 because that’s 108% as high as the adult average set at 16.
Now if Mug of Pee achieved the same understanding of philosophy at 13 as RR achieved as an adult, Mug of Pee’s IQ is 13/17.28 = 133, thus corroborating my estimate of his childhood WISC-R scores of 132.
I wanted to get something off my chest about blacks. Essentially blacks have been held in check by being a tiny minority among the most sophisticated race and wherever they become a majority like Detroit, they basically regress to the stone age.
Obviously Loaded, Melo and RR glorify blacks behaviours and tendency to barbarianism and savagery.
You really think you are on the side of the good guys by allying yourself with probably the most degenerate race in mankind?
Im pretty sure I’m with the good guys and you 3 low IQ clowns are not only stupid, but as our colleague Mugabe is fond of saying, evil.
Obviously the 3 of you clowns are too stupid to define good and evil.
P1. rr is not a man.
P2. rr is not even a manlet.
P3. rr is a trans man.
P4. a black man impregnated rr. because black men will fuck anything.
C1. STILL WAITING FOR PEEPEE TO BAN RR AND MELO FOREVER.
C2. THERE WILL NEVER BE A PROFESSIONAL, MAKUUCHI DIVISION TRANS SUMO WRESTLER.
The interesting thing about modern human affairs is how everything is interepereted for everyone by high IQ gypsies who have this interesting tendency to define evil as good and good as evil.
In the end, I’m the good guy. I’m pretty sure I’m objectively the good guy. I don’t worship barbarians.
“I’m the good guy.”
-he said after calling an entire race barbarians
Imagine any of these people running their mouths—not on this blog—to someone, like “philosopher” and his barbarian comment. They’d get their faces smashed, eating their teeth and drinking from a straw for months.
He’s basically admitted he’d never say this shit in real life. I just find it ironic for someone to call themselves “The Philosopher” when his entire personality is parroting the Jewish conspiracy and insulting brown people.
Lol. Whatever you say, race cuck.
“Don’t call them violent or they’ll violently beat you and rape your sisters and mother”. And yet you don’t understand why white nationalists believe in critically important racial and cultural differences.
Luckily, in the US, (redacted by pp, 2023-03-07)
Lol PP you redacted my comment about US people being able to defend themselves but left RR’s reference to violence. Not sure who or how that helps but whatever.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/davisc0994/ai-art-fat-black-sci-fi-fantasy-characters
“I don’t know how to fight” is all you needed to say. I think I have a good idea of what the redaction was and if I’m right… Haha learn how to fight. “Blacks use [redacted by PP] too!” It’s funny, of all the videos I see on Twitter of blacks besting up whites, it’s all complaining from people and hardly anyone says anything about just learning how to man up and learn how to fight.
“Just learn how to fight!” What a moron. Yeah, that’s the solution.
show us the fake penis the surgeon gave you.
then BAN YOURSELF.
RR is a white guy who is literally so brainwashed hes threatening violence against white people on behalf of blacks.
“Yeah, that’s the solution.”
I mean, it is. Debate is good, but white nationalists(supremacists) hate my kind and welcome my kind’s eradication. That doesn’t deserve words; it deserves violence.
If you ridiculed RR for having a mixed kid in real life your head would be pounded into the asphalt. You don’t get to play the victim when you say evil shit.
“RR is a white guy who is literally so brainwashed hes threatening violence against white people on behalf of blacks.”
No, he’s threatening violence against racists for being racist. If a black guy walked up and started talking shit about his baby momma fucking with a white boy, he’d beat his ass too.
LOL no he wouldn’t. Hed cower and tell the black guy to fuck his girl while he watched.
melo: No, he’s threatening violence against racists for being racist.
mugabe: you mean like you melo?
melo: no. hapas can’t be racist. only pure blooded wypipo can be racist.
mugabe: that’s racist. taking money from people by force who never owned slaves and giving it to people who were never slaves is the definition of racism. RR IS A RACIST. affirmative action is also violent racism.
melo: no it’s not because the victims are white.
mugabe: more racism from melo. the victims are also asian.
melo: oh well then affirmative action is racist.
imagine rr “running his mouth” in rural southern virginia?
people would be drinking rr from straws (unknowingly of course).
mugabe: where did you learn that merely saying things you disagree with is racism? and that only wypipo can be racist?
melo: CNN.
mugabe: i guarantee pill would never discriminate against blacks if he had the power to. but RR has already said he wants to discriminate against whites. and so has peepee.
also recall peepee has said all the things pill has said regarding blacks, but rr doesn’t threaten her.
i wonder why? just kidding. i know why. [deleted by peepee].
https://www.dailywire.com/news/reparations-for-black-america-already-happened-black-scholar-tells-don-lemon
sadly, melo knows what would happen if the race war he wants actually happened. you need help melo. check yourself into a psychiatric hospital until your suicidal ideation abates.
“I mean, it is. Debate is good, but white nationalists(supremacists) hate my kind and welcome my kind’s eradication. That doesn’t deserve words; it deserves violence.”
Again, you’re simply making things up. Very few white nationalists want to eradicate other races. Like, literally, almost none. I don’t even know of any examples of that (even in trolling).
Not wanting people to race mix, especially when forced, is different from wanting people dead.
“If you ridiculed RR for having a mixed kid in real life your head would be pounded into the asphalt. You don’t get to play the victim when you say evil shit.”
If he had a mixed race kid but wasn’t an absolute racist against whites and want them to pay for everyone else and welcome their kind being eradicated from economic parasitism and propagandic programming, I wouldn’t have a problem with him. But look at him. I can only assume he consciously or subconsciously hates his own race.
But again, I have a right to be disgusted by certain behavior without having to watch my back for psychos every second of the day. Obviously, being disgusted internally is different from insulting someone directly. If I did that, I would obviously be prepared for violence. But it shouldn’t have to happen in the first place, people should be free to move away from what they don’t like. And regardless, you never know how big of a psycho someone is or what weapon they have. There are a million other steps one could take before something erupting in violence, unless you are black and then it is encouraged (genetically or through media).
“No, he’s threatening violence against racists for being racist. If a black guy walked up and started talking shit about his baby momma fucking with a white boy, he’d beat his ass too.”
He’d be too tired from lifting weights to actually mount a real fight against someone who wants to attack by surprise. You guys act like people who fight each other randomly are gentlemanly and give you a fair fight. Plenty of black guys in inner cities are ready to fight but they constantly get killed and the media tells us this violence holds them back, rather than helps them succeed.
“no he wouldn’t”
Lol, you think Jews run the world. You have no grasp on people’s intentions or desires.
They’d get their faces smashed, eating their teeth and drinking from a straw for months.
and the people who did it would go to prison and be raped.
it doesn’t matter how awful what anyone says is, assault and battery is still a crime.
the “fighting words” exception means only that theoretically the person whose face got mashed in might also go to jail, because he was trying to provoke the crime. but never for nearly as long as the assailant.
scalia opposed this exception. because scalia was actually a southern italian and actually had a high IQ.
imagine if all of pill’s comments were in a language rr didn’t unnuhstan, like hebrew, wait…i mean arabic. it’s the same thing.
rr: that french guy was insulting me so i mashed his face in.
judge: but you don’t speak french. 10 years!
Puppy has the bizarre distinction of worshipping a barbarian who acts like a middle class white lady. Hahahaha. I’m not even sure what to make of it.
Another person with excellent verbal ability – Donald Trump.
I seriously doubt Trump could do elementary calculus.
Lol, Trump is quite literally the least verbose president we’ve ever had.
Alright thats it. Lets do a poll of all readers. Who is smarter Soros or fucking Oprah Winfrey.
“In January 2014, Soros was ranked number 1 in LCH Investments list of top 20 managers having posting gains of almost $42 billion since the launch of his Quantum Endowment Fund in 1973.”
vs
Promoting The Secret was an act of genius because when the most successful woman in the World credits these simple little mind games with her success, book sales went through the roof (increasing her clout as a king maker) and all the millions of people brainwashed by the book would credit Oprah with changing their life & would then trust her advice on anything.
Anytime someone with credibility endorses something only stupid people believe in, they acquire a cult following among those people. Trump was also smart (and evil) enough to see and exploit the same strategy when he endorsed birtherism.
No Puppy. The real explanation is the Oprah believes in The Secret herself and promoted it because she genuinely thinks millions of her black viewers can become economically viable by thinking about being rich rather than integrating into society.
Georges Soros probably believes in The Secret more than Oprah does. He seems like the type to spend hours meditating while visualizing a decline in the British pound and pasting magazine cut outs of declining numbers to his vision board.
“Georges Soros probably believes in The Secret more than Oprah does.”
TOTALLY FALSE AND TOTAL LIES.
The only person that has talked at length in multiple shows about The Secret is Oprah not Soros. Youre so obsessed with Oprah you literally wont listen to her. If you knew anything about Soros you would easily realise he would have zero interest in something like the Secret.
Yes but a former producer claims Oprah doesn’t believe the stuff she says.
Probably Soros. But what Pumpkin says about Oprah’s accomplishments implies she’s not that far behind. I’m sure a lot of her success comes from her personality, but I can believe she is a good “computer.”
Soros is more intelligent than Oprah Winfrey. My estimate of Oprah Winfreys intelligence is 120. My estimate pf Michael Jacksons intelligence is 95. Pumpkin person’s estimate for Michael Jackson is 133. That was his worst estimate of all time.
Soros. His IQ is probably in the 150s, but I actually think PP’s estimate of Oprah’s IQ is a good one.
His path to his level of success was more cognitively demanding than Oprah’s, but not that much more so.
If Oprah Winfrey’s intelligence is 140, why doesn’t she ever break character? In terms of the media scrutiny she is subjected to, she is above the 99.9999th percentile relative to the general population. A person on that level would, at some point in her life, express either extreme condescension or extreme contempt towards her 95 IQ audience and their media preferences. Human beings are great at noticing condescension. That is why Illuminaticat will never become Bruno’s friend on the basis of Bruno’s hilarious hortatory comments and noblesse oblige life advice to him. Oprah has a genuine infatuation with the banal garbage she promotes.
She seems super genuine because in the word’s of her poison pen biographer Kitty Kelley “she’s a very, very, VERY good actress”.
But one former producer was trying to sell a tell-all book which claimed Oprah is a master manipulator who says stuff she doesn’t believe and only pretends to be spiritual to control her audience. Fortunately Oprah was smart enough to have made her sign a non-disclosure so Oprah’s secrets will be safe for now.
But over the years, especially with social media, she’s found it harder and harder to maintain the iron grip on the narrative she once had and so she’s adopted a lower profile.
This is an excellent point, but I don’t think a 140 IQ precludes a belief in banal garbage, especially among women. I’ve known several highly intelligent women who believe in complete bullshit like astrology and “manifesting.” People can be incredibly high-functioning in most domains with concomitant blind spots in others.
And as several commenters have noted, success selects for conformity. For example, elites’ across-the-board endorsement of DEI is probably NOT purely cynical in most cases. In Oprah’s case, conformity extends to some of the silly beliefs held by her audience.
Yes, I think the the irrational beliefs Oprah promotes are combination of three factors:
1) Socially intelligent people tend to be a little schiz since schiz is large the opposite of autism.
2) Oprah’s overall IQ is 140 in my opinion, but she has a verbal IQ of 153 and a math IQ of 113. People with large V > M gaps like Oprah & Stephen Jay Gould can believe a lot of nonsense because math is the logical part. Steve Hsu wrote about this.
3) She’s a con artist who doesn’t believe much of what she says. This is very common in media as we’re seeing in the Fox News law suit:
I think some high IQ people are high IQ because they bite off more then they can chew, in terms of their intellectual curiosity outpacing their effectiveness and understanding of the real world. I think it’s kind of like being malnourished vs. healthy vs. obese. It’s healthy to get enough food but there is a breaking point.
”Oprah’s overall IQ is 140 in my opinion, but she has a verbal IQ of 153 and a math IQ of 113. People with large V > M gaps like Oprah & Stephen Jay Gould
can believe a lot of nonsense because math is the logical part. Steve Hsu wrote about this.”
I recommend using ”tend”.
I’m deficient in math and I’ve definitely improved a lot in my ability to distinguish bullshit from fact.
And your great math skills aren’t helping you stop believing bullshit, especially:
worship/fanaticism by IQ and Oprah
”but she has a verbal IQ of 153 and a math IQ of 113”
You have no real evidence about that claim, sorry.
Your extrapolations based on socioeconomic and cultural correlations are good, but far from being 100% predictive.
And what I said before: even with this method, Oprah has a number of characteristics that run counter to this claim that she is cognitively gifted based on IQ perspective.
The 153 verbal is based on her learning to read at age 3. I estimate only one in several thousand boomers achieved this and top one in several thousand is assigned an IQ of 153. The 113 math was based on her learning long division at only 8 (since she skipped a couple grades). Most kids can’t grasp it until age 9 so 9/8 = 1.13
”The 153 verbal is based on her learning to read at age 3.”
Yourself said that it is not possible to extrapolate the child’s IQ to the adult always.
Is the source her biography?
You said that speaking is a higher verbal manifestation.
So I assume that the vast majority of people with a verbal linguistic IQ around 150 must have a very large and ”sophisticated’ vocabulary.
austin slater
said:
March 7, 2023 at 9:35 pm
“This is an excellent point, but I don’t think a 140 IQ precludes a belief in banal garbage, especially among women. I’ve known several highly intelligent women who believe in complete bullshit like astrology and “manifesting.” People can be incredibly high-functioning in most domains with concomitant blind spots in others.
And as several commenters have noted, success selects for conformity. For example, elites’ across-the-board endorsement of DEI is probably NOT purely cynical in most cases. In Oprah’s case, conformity extends to some of the silly beliefs held by her audience.”
You are more intelligent than pumpkin person, but you utilize a surfeit of platitudes and ill-defined terminology. What are “highly intelligent women”? Even RR could conceivably be described as highly intelligent compared to an amoeba, perhaps even a paramecium. Even if your “highly intelligent women” are something I could conceivably describe as highly intelligent, I am certain that their actual profession and the cynosure of their identity is not the purveyance of banal garbage to a braindead housewife audience. Oprah’s purveyance of banal garbage to a braindead housewife audience is the main source of her immense financial and social success, not a random blind spot on an abstract Rastignacian comedie humaine social ascent. “Highly intelligent women” can be excellent(99.9th percentile relative to other engineers) engineers with a belief in the flat earth hypothesis as a concomitant blind spot. “Highly intelligent women” cannot be the country’s most famous and fanatical flat earth propagandists, with a 99.9th percentile portfolio of engineering projects as a concomitant glory hole.
Oprah’s purveyance of banal garbage to a braindead housewife audience is the main source of her immense financial and social success,
Not really. She also talked about a lot of important topics like race relations, sexual abuse, infidelity, addiction, sexual orientation and her love for great literature:
Every single one of those topics you mentioned are like crack for housewives.
I jut want to say that I was pretty good at math and I also believe in manifesting. The countless anecdotes have convinced me (also, some personal experience). I’m just not sure what the metaphysical process is.
The four women I’m thinking of probably have an average IQ in the low 130s and all fall between 125 and 140. I don’t know their WAIS scores, so I’m basing it on how well they did on the ACT/SAT, their professions, and my subjective impressions of their cognitive abilities based on my many interactions with them.
I am certain that their actual profession and the cynosure of their identity is not the purveyance of banal garbage to a braindead housewife audience.
No, it’s not in any of their cases. But if they each hosted their own podcast/talk show, I’d imagine each of them would endlessly (and naturally) discuss banal garbage that would appeal to a younger and only marginally smarter version of Oprah’s audience. Topics would mainly include celebrity crushes/gossip, Taylor Swift, astrology, their favorite slutty outfits and sex positions, advice for relationships and one-night stands, female empowerment, and lowbrow liberal political takes on hot-button social issues. I don’t think women’s popular interests are influenced much by their intelligence because they tend to be so agreeable and conformist. If middle-of-the-bell-curve women love mindless things, then intelligent women will hardly differ.
Oprah’s purveyance of banal garbage to a braindead housewife audience is the main source of her immense financial and social success, not a random blind spot on an abstract Rastignacian comedie humaine social ascent.
You’re right, but becoming the all time leading figure in that space requires a great deal of intelligence.
“Highly intelligent women” cannot be the country’s most famous and fanatical flat earth propagandists, with a 99.9th percentile portfolio of engineering projects as a concomitant glory hole.
No, mainly because those views are so far from mainstream opinion. There are virtually zero intelligent female flat-earthers for the same reason there virtually zero intelligent female anti-semites. Astrology is nearly as stupid as flat earth, but it’s popular and acceptable, so women of all intellectual stripes flock to it.
?~}`, I misrepresented your last point at the end of my reply. But I think my point about social acceptability still addresses it. A highly intelligent women can’t be the leading-most advocate of the Culture of Critique, but she can be the leading-most advocate of astrology.
“pumpkinperson
said:
March 8, 2023 at 1:34 pm
Oprah’s purveyance of banal garbage to a braindead housewife audience is the main source of her immense financial and social success,
Not really. She also talked about a lot of important topics like race relations, sexual abuse, infidelity, addiction, sexual orientation and her love for great literature:”
Oprah’s literary preferences are completely retarded. [redacted by pp, 2023-03-09] Toni Morrison is a writer of banal garbage. She won the nobel prize(the nobel prize for literature is awarded to writers who propagate mainstream political opinions not to the best writers) for literature because she is a magic negro. The passage Oprah quoted from Toni Morrison’s Song of Solomon is the literary equivalent of a Thomas Kinkade painting, a mentally retarded country bumpkin’s pitiful attempt at creating high art.
austin slater
said:
“March 8, 2023 at 9:38 pm
The four women I’m thinking of probably have an average IQ in the low 130s and all fall between 125 and 140. I don’t know their WAIS scores, so I’m basing it on how well they did on the ACT/SAT, their professions, and my subjective impressions of their cognitive abilities based on my many interactions with them.
I am certain that their actual profession and the cynosure of their identity is not the purveyance of banal garbage to a braindead housewife audience.
No, it’s not in any of their cases. But if they each hosted their own podcast/talk show, I’d imagine each of them would endlessly (and naturally) discuss banal garbage that would appeal to a younger and only marginally smarter version of Oprah’s audience. Topics would mainly include celebrity crushes/gossip, Taylor Swift, astrology, their favorite slutty outfits and sex positions, advice for relationships and one-night stands, female empowerment, and lowbrow liberal political takes on hot-button social issues. I don’t think women’s popular interests are influenced much by their intelligence because they tend to be so agreeable and conformist. If middle-of-the-bell-curve women love mindless things, then intelligent women will hardly differ.
Oprah’s purveyance of banal garbage to a braindead housewife audience is the main source of her immense financial and social success, not a random blind spot on an abstract Rastignacian comedie humaine social ascent.
You’re right, but becoming the all time leading figure in that space requires a great deal of intelligence.
“Highly intelligent women” cannot be the country’s most famous and fanatical flat earth propagandists, with a 99.9th percentile portfolio of engineering projects as a concomitant glory hole.
No, mainly because those views are so far from mainstream opinion. There are virtually zero intelligent female flat-earthers for the same reason there virtually zero intelligent female anti-semites. Astrology is nearly as stupid as flat earth, but it’s popular and acceptable, so women of all intellectual stripes flock to it.”
I have never described anyone in the 125-140 range as highly intelligent. I suspected that your “highly intelligent women” are in that approximate range. Unlike pumpkin person, I do not consider the WAIS to be the ultimate gauge of intelligence(although I do consider it superior to the GRE, SAT, LSAT, GMAT, raven’s advanced progressive matrices etc.) and trust your subjective judgement more than a hypothetical WAIS score in this case.
Those were the ancillary issues, now I will present my final argument on the main subject of this debate.
Almost everyone agrees that becoming the all time leading figure in the field of literature, requires greater intellectual ability than becoming the all time time leading figure in the field of talk shows.
Contrary to your opinion, extreme intelligence precludes the possibility of becoming the all time leading figure in the field of literature. If JK rowling had higher intelligence than 99.999% of the general population she would have never become the world’s first billionaire writer because 99.999th percentile intelligence precludes the possibility of writing banal garbage(my synonym for the type of literary fare that David Foster Wallace(who I charitably describe as a midwit) referred to as absolute shit) like Harry Potter. I will preempt the Tolkien counterrargument. The Lord of the Rings is only marginally more complex than Harry Potter. Almost every infantile retard on Earth is capable of appreciating its quaint vapid quasimedievalism. The somewhat complex(and this is very charitable to him) book Tolkien wrote is the silmarillion(which I read and comprehended at the age of 11). The Silmarillion sold fewer than 2 million copies, whereas the much simpler Lord of the Rings sold approximately 150 million copies, despite the fact that Tolkien was a more popular author at the time of the Silmarillion’s publication than at the time of the Lord of the Rings’ publication. The financial penalty for being too far removed from the center of the intelligence bell-curve in the space of literature is obviously enormous. Why would the talk show space be any different?
I think there’s a distinction to be made between having 99.999th percentile intelligence and producing content at the 99.999th percentile level of intelligence. Material at that high a level obviously will not be banal garbage, and it certainly won’t appeal to anyone below, say, the 98th or 99th percentile of intelligence.
An interesting question is whether someone who’s that smart becomes so far removed from the average person that he’s incapable of producing appealing, mass-market material. It appears you think this is the case. Unlike me, you’re obviously on that level and can speak from personal experience.
At any rate, I think we both agree that that scenario isn’t applicable to Oprah (who I believe is merely very bright as opposed to exceptionally so).
I do not consider the WAIS to be the ultimate gauge of intelligence(although I do consider it superior to the GRE, SAT, LSAT, GMAT, raven’s advanced progressive matrices etc.)
What’s the best measure of intelligence we currently have? I’m curious as to what you think.
austin slater
said:
March 9, 2023 at 7:06 pm
“I think there’s a distinction to be made between having 99.999th percentile intelligence and producing content at the 99.999th percentile level of intelligence. Material at that high a level obviously will not be banal garbage, and it certainly won’t appeal to anyone below, say, the 98th or 99th percentile of intelligence.”
I agree. I support the 2 SD communication barrier theory.I presume that you are also its suppporter.
“An interesting question is whether someone who’s that smart becomes so far removed from the average person that he’s incapable of producing appealing, mass-market material. It appears you think this is the case. Unlike me, you’re obviously on that level and can speak from personal experience.”
Yes, I am. I am incapable of producing a literary work that is palatable to the masses. I am extraordinarily disagreeable and extraordinarily neurotic(You’d have to see my reaction to a minor quotidian inconvenience, such as a barking unleashed poodle, which would never dare to attack, to believe it). A hypothetical tranquil version of myself would produce a literary Wendigo skinwalker, a work whose intellectual form would tear apart the sinews of its hylic content from the inside of its being. The general public would find its uncanny nature alarming and it would be a commercial failure.
“What’s the best measure of intelligence we currently have? I’m curious as to what you think.”
The degree of rational thought(inducing and deducing ability as Bruno would say) immanent to a person’s comments has always been my paramount criterion. I found this blog interesting when I first encountered it in 2016 because it contained a wide variety of human beings with different levels of intelligence who comment on a wide variety of complex macroscopic social and political phenomena. In addition to that, the majority were willing to post their numerical intelligence test scores, and I have had an obsession with numerical data from an early age. Remembering the commenters’ scores on various tests is almost effortless for a person with my memorization abilities. When there is a paucity of available comments on cognitively relevant topics, I can use the test scores as a tentative heuristic.
“I support the 2 SD communication barrier theory.I presume that you are also its suppporter.”
So you support a misunderstanding. Got it.
“This seems to me a significant logical leap. Hollingworth was writing specifically about leadership, and in childen [sic], but Towers extrapolates the point to claim that any kind of ‘genuine’ communication is impossible across a 30 IQ point gap.
It is worth noting that although Hollingworth was an academic psychologist, her remark about leadership does not seem to have been stated as a scientific conclusion from research, but simply as an ‘observation’.
[…]
So as far as I can see the ‘communication range’ is just an idea someone came up with. It’s not based on data. The reference to specific numbers (“+/- 2 standard deviations, 30 points”) gives the illusion of scientific precision, but these numbers were plucked from the air.”
https://www.discovermagazine.com/the-sciences/the-myth-of-the-30-iq-point-communication-range
Do you have a reference for that claim?
RR it’s just a rule of thumb. But is it true ?
Take 2 average Down syndrome adults (50 IQ) having a conversation and 2 average college bachelor students from a state university (110 IQ) having also a conversation about their classes. They happen to be next to each other.
I guess you agree the students conversation won’t be grasped by the two person with Down. Do you think people who would be more than halfway toward the college level away from the trisomy persons in terms of intelligence would be intelligible to them ? And is possible that the other way around the students would understand the mentally handicapped without a special training or previous effort, study or interactions ?
If your answer is probably not, you just have your rule of thumb checked.
However, openness, interest in other persons mind, empathy, common ground or topics or tastes, personal proximity etc etc all contribute to push this frontier away but more in the speolology direction I regret than upwards.
But where does “the rule of thumb” come from?
I do agree, but that’s not evidence for the unreferenced claim at hand—it’s an empirical claim and so it requires empirical evidence. I’ve shown that the claim is based ultimately on a misunderstanding.
And I don’t see your example as valid since you’re using people outside the normal range.
rr’s inability to unnuhstan what’s wrong with fodor’s “argument” despite being told in so many ways so many times is an example.
rr and melo must be banned because they have low IQs. but are totally unaware of it.
Those that can understand can manipulate.
The highest understanding has no problems with any level below.
But at a threshold.
People begin to fight within their own range. (contemporaries)
But as that range goes higher less fighting happens.
That book is trash. Mugabe shut up.
“That book is trash.”
Where is the argument?
lol
this is a book about how anal philosophers are just intellectually disabled thugs.
BAN RR.
Main reason the book is trash: it relies on Lynn’s fraudulent “national IQs.”
““That book is trash.”
Where is the argument?”
Anything which relies on something fraudulent for a main argument is trash.
Jones’ main argument relies on Lynn’s fraudulent dataset.
Therefore, the book is trash.
Why would you doubt Lynn’s data? If blacks can score 15 points below whites in a country as rich as America, wouldn’t environmentalism predict they score 30 points lower in the Third World. Or do you deny environment has an effect?
Because he’s a known cherry-picker. Outright ignored Chinese IQ studies, used Somali immigrants in Kenya as Sonali “IQ”, don’t forget the mentally retarded Spaniards school children as Equitorial Guinea’s “IQ.” Rebecca Sear and others have done solid work to expose Lynn’s dataset for the fraud that it is. And his newer one with Becker still has the same issues.
I also recently discovered he ignored a draw a person IQ study of Australian Aboriginals even though he relied much on this test for other groups
The reason might have been because they scored above the white mean
Nonetheless I think people who argue black africa’s iq is much above 70 are delusional
Well, with his known ignoring of data and nonexistent inclusion-exclusion criteria, why would you believe 70? Wicherts has the best critiques of Lynn’s African data, I think.
“Main argument of the book”
Cooperation depends on intelligence.
The less intelligent you are as a group the worse you cooperate as a group.
The more intelligent you are as a group the better you cooperate.
Cooperation is the mean average of the total intelligence of the group.
Cooperation is the mean intelligence between two individuals.
I don’t see how that refutes the argument.
rr cannot refute:
“Main argument of the book”
My argument shows why it’s trash—it relies on Lynn’s lies. Would you like references for Lynn’s lies?
your picture shows that you are LYING about your ancestry.
“it relies on Lynn’s lies.”
The main argument is not about that data.
(Cooperation depends on intelligence.)
(The less intelligent you are as a group the worse you cooperate as a group.)
(The more intelligent you are as a group the better you cooperate.)
(Cooperation is the mean average of the total intelligence of the group.)
(Cooperation is the mean intelligence between two individuals.)
rr cannot refute this.
Cooperation depends on intelligence.
If cooperation depends on intelligence, then the less intelligent are less likely to cooperate with the group and the more intelligent are more likely to cooperate with the group.
The other two sentences seem unrelated. I’m doing my best to try to understand your argument but I can’t think of an inference to put these together.
Nevertheless, the claims I’ve seen in the literature are that IQ is causal for cooperation—that’s nonsense since IQ is an outcome, not a cause. And I’m questioning if you read that book, because he relies on Lynn’s lies and references him many times.
“(Cooperation is the mean intelligence between two individuals.)”
I lost my copy and I read it 7 years ago.
But I remember this:
my rendition of what he said:
This research assumes that IQ is a cause, not an outcome. You need to provide a sound argument that IQ is indeed a cause. I have argued that IQ is an outcome using the natural experiment of summer vacation.
https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2020/11/14/summer-vacation-and-iq-how-summer-vacation-widens-educational-inequality/
“You need to provide a sound argument that IQ is indeed a cause.”
no, I don’t. because you define IQ opposite of that already.
I am talking about the cause, not the outcome.
Intelligence not “intelligence quotient”.
What is wrong with the diagram?
The diagram is about causes, not quotients.
“outcome”
of the tests, that is not intelligence itself.
working on a group project:
smart + smart = high cooperation
smart + dull = medium cooperation
dull + smart = medium cooperation
dull + dull = low cooperation
no quotients are involved.
“This research assumes that IQ is a cause, not an outcome. You need to provide a sound argument that IQ is indeed a cause.”
This makes no sense. IQ is literally apriori defined as a measurement of intelligence or at least G. Saying that IQ is a cause not an outcome is like saying a stick being 6 feet long is a cause not an outcome. It is simply a measurement.
The testee applying their intelligence to solve test items and get an IQ result is the cause of their IQ results.
in reference to previous comments OF MINE i should say…
P1. there has STILL yet to be a wypipo yokozuna. closest is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tochinoshin_Tsuyoshi.
P2. whereas there has been ONE polynesian yokozuna. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akebono_Tar%C5%8D. konoshiki only reached ozeki. it’s about weight and not about weight at the same time.
C. wypipo suck at sumo. (peepee would conclude.)
WRONG!
if sumo were a global sport and its best were paid so much money…
whites would dominate…
just like they do in american football’s offensive line.
the nfl gives a fake IQ test called the wonderlich to all its recruits. by position the highest score is “offensive lineman”…because that’s the WHITEST position in american football. or at least it used to be. even more than QB.
RR:
What’s wrong with Yoko singing?
japan needs to pay reparations for yoko ono and pearl harbor.
Pumpkin, having ?~}` as a commenter is really a huge asset. If you were to give Ganzir his 150 IQ idio-assessment back on top of that, whatever interactions among them may surge, and maybe with a grain of salt from Teffec, this treasure would make your blog great again.
All that just under your watch & in times were blogs are sadly fading away like castles built on sand.
You autists stick together like jews.
“Human beings are great at noticing condescension. That is why Illuminaticat will never become Bruno’s friend on the basis of Bruno’s hilarious hortatory comments and noblesse oblige life advice to him.”
Was your comment a brilliant reference to that one? Like, being condescending to the person who said you were being condescending to someone else? I doubt it, you seem too pure for that.
In fact at that time I was not giving Kitty the best piece of advice but as he didn’t follow it, it wasn’t that bad. I am glad the content of this comment was not lost on everyone then.
I am not that pure but I don’t like being mean either. It’s just my humour is really idiosyncratic.
PS : if you want a hint, my last comment was more of a joke about Pumpkin this time than anything else.
I totally agree that Oprah is a brilliant person. As PP said, she was born a homely black girl in Jim Crow Mississippi yet, through world-class social and business acumen, was able to become a billionaire. She never could have won a Fields Medal, but almost no one could have done what she has, affirmative action or not. Her and Chris Langan’s offspring would speciate from Homo Sapien into Homo Cranium.
^^
sarcasm.
Just as autists fail to see sarcasm where it exists, schizos see sarcasm where it’s absent.
I’ve never met a person with an IQ above 150 who didn’t think Oprah was extremely intelligent. Teff is no exception.
PP you created a parody of yourself and want to invite people to worship your madness together. Sad.
That’s why your blog failled to reach a respectable position even on HBDsphere. If you think Jayman, Hbd Chuck or other famous HBDs think you are right about Oprah you are very delusional.
The fact that Oprah is famous and celebrated is a demonstration about how little so called humanity has accomplished.
Oprah is mostly a SELF accomplished woman and this is basically parasitism, a huge one. She basically has given VERY LITTLE contribution to American society if compared with what she has giving to herself. It’s happens with virtually all rich people, even upper middle class people, but with multimillionaires and billionaires the scale of this parasitism is even absurdly higher.
“I never seeing people with an IQ above 150… ”
Man (man?????),
This is not an evidence, far from it. First, it’s about your own perspective, VERY BIASED one. Secondly, nobody need to score stratrospherically in a silly cognitive test (which supposedly express in perfect way real human intelligence in all its facets) to analyse your goddess and come to similar conclusions i did, about her lack of really good moral foundation and “giftedness”.
I advised you to rethink but seems impossible.
I find interesting you have a non personal twitter profile in which 60-70% of time you are posting some random praise about Oprah.
You are trying hard to “rationalize” your fanaticism just like rr.
Your mental gymnastics is smart but by a rational point of view is completely pointless.
glenn loury agreeing that rr and melo must be banned forever.
This guy is presenting a very PC conservative view of why blacks fail. Id prefer it Robert if you simply just posted IQ scores of blacks v whites and forced RR and Melo to explain it without quoting any jew. They wouldn’t be able to do it. All their argument are from their jewish leaders.
No I’ll do a statistical analysis.
and SES based aa doesn’t exist in the US pill. yet it has been promoted by the GOP. the dems oppose it. what was “the party of the little man” is opposed to it. hahahaha.
do you know why?
can you guess?
I know but I’ll let pill answer
No I’ll do a statistical analysis... of what?
Because rich blacks like Oprah and P Diddy want reperations too.
WRONG! Because class based affirmative action would benefit poor whites much more than poor blacks.
No he specifically said why republican wont support SES based AA for blacks not the whole pop.
No, he said:
and SES based aa doesn’t exist in the US pill. yet it has been promoted by the GOP. the dems oppose it. what was “the party of the little man” is opposed to it. hahahaha.
do you know why?
can you guess?
PP youre a fool. Oprah is a con woman. she doesnt even have a platform for her to speak she might as well open a wordpress account and start vouching for her name on here….
unless thats exactly whats happening! is Oprah paying you to write articles about her so that she can preserve some influence on future generations because she is too low IQ to use a computer herself?
i think its plausible because youre greedier than anyone ive ever encountered PP and Oprah is a psychopathic scum who would go through all types of troubles just to cement some sort of legacy for herself like all Boomers try to do since their lives are meaningless.
get a grip PP. Oprah is no smarter than Koko the Gorilla.
PP youre a fool. Oprah is a con woman. she doesnt even have a platform for her to speak
The whole World is her platform, fool. She no longer has a daily talk show because she wanted to retire while she was still the #1 talk show in America and while television itself was still relevant. She also has an entire cable network and her best friend Gayle King co-hosts a morning show.
unless thats exactly whats happening! is Oprah paying you to write articles about her so that she can preserve some influence on future generations because she is too low IQ to use a computer herself?
I wish. But sadly the only pay I get for this blog is wordpress adds.
i think its plausible because youre greedier than anyone ive ever encountered PP
Actually I’m probably the least greedy blogger in the HBD-o-sphere. I don’t constantly beg readers for donations like Cochran or write ridiculously expensive books like Peter Frost. But maybe I’ll add a donation button, just in case Oprah is secretly reading.
I didn’t know Frost has written books. What are they called? Are they self-published? I don’t think authors set the price of their books, only if they’re self-published they do. Correct me if I’m wrong.
You’re right his publisher set the price and to be fair, Frost wanted the publisher to lower it.
Scariest scene in a non-horror movie = Charly Gordon grappling with the inevitability of a decline to his original mental capacity (Charly,, 1968, 1:25:00-1:31:00):
Bloody revolting
Excellent film. The remake was very good too.
Did you see Get Out? I saw it a few weeks ago and I thought it was good. I’m going to watch M3gan next.
No, I’ve been meaning to see it. Even my mother liked it and she hates horror.
You should also see Us if you haven’t. Same director (Peele) and I think it’s better than Get Out.
you both are idiots. what part of shit movie production dont you get.
RR you are legit a braindead shit. and Pumpkin you are a clown trying to advocate for clown world. stop it!
The actual short story is very powerful and the movie is ok.
If they remade the movie today Charly would be a black guy on steroids.
Charly 2023
Charly (huge black guy) is in the classroom with his white lady teacher. We immediately find out the teacher is a BLM supporter and loves black men setting up an interracial sex scene later in the movie.
Charly: Mes gonna be big big rapper!
Teacher: Thats right Charly! Our testing shows you might be the smartest rapper of all time.
Charly: He He. Mes gonna shoot someone today. He he. (Falls forward face down into the table)
Teacher: Thats right Charly racism made you shoot somebody.
Charly: And den. Mes gonna get repuharations for ever and be an millionaire. He He. (Falls forward and bangs his face again into the table)
Teacher: Oh Charly you are so sophisticated and totally what every woman desires. The wealth would just be the cherry on top.
Jewish Producer: Put your hand on his knee and start rubbing it baby. Oh yeah…. oh yeah….
LMAO, this is Philo’s biggest fear—interracial sex. God forbid he ever has to face real adversity.
Your biggest fear is being deported to Africa.
*the writer’s barely-disguised fetish*
Lol, exactly. He trying to convince us that everyone else but him is a cuck when he’s the only one gay enough to come up with this kind of shit.
Turn the tables with our unity
They neither moral nor majority
Wake up and smell the coffee
Or just say no to individuality
>Jews are less than 1% of the moral majority.
it’s little unnuhstood. but a cop’s first job is to keep the peace. not justice. so he will handcuff innocent people to keep the peace.
Yea SCOTUS has ruled a few times that cops are under no obligation to protect citizens. Eg: DeShaney v. Winnebago County Department of Social Services (1989) 489 U.S. 189
Do the damn poll.
Who is smarter Soros or Oprah. I will present my argument and you can summon every single ounce of your IQ testing knowledge and present yours and then let the readers decide.
I fucking love this movie. So happy i found it again to watch
Dolce vita
Iluminatikitty is not allowed to watch Anita Ekberg in Fontana di Trevi.
Nicholas Wade and his trash book getting drug through the mud by the co-chair of the COVID committee, congressman Ruiz. You love to see it.
imagine if rr testified to congress.
Curiously he has left up all his pre-2017 blog posts that are sympathetic to hereditarianism, but has claimed he’s leaving them up to show the evolution and change of his views.
and how many great scientists and thinkers were literal nazis or communists? people are complicated. but not to little stalinists like rr totally lacking in self-awareness.
Its official. RR is the new Afro. You need to ban this piece of shit permenantly.
he may not be the new afro. he may be the OG afro. it may be afro pays a retarded black-chinese-albanian to pose for pictures.
https://www.takimag.com/article/a-difference-of-degree/
Sailer talks about cold winter theory and kind of dismisses it.
I mean, look at the seasonal variation in this one spot months apart. The claim that Africa is hot and hot equals easy living that basically from from Rushton and Lynn are laughably false.
Cold winter theory only considering the climate as a relevant factor. What i said again. Too cold or too hot or too dry or too umid environment select for specific robustness not for intelligence and specially for creativity. Mas if you don’t know african continent is big and less oceanic than Europe. African continent select agaisnt to creativity and also was the first environment for humans. Cold winter may has some role but seems more specific than a general rule. Maybe what really make humans smart throught an environmental perspective was when they need to move to a different and more demanding environment so when they reach the northest latitudes they already had accumulated gene-cultural adaptations that had help them to adapt in different places. It’s not: humans suddenly moved to colder areas and became smarter by NS because they already been from previous selective or adaptive pressures. The only mechanism to explain cold winter theory throught NS would be there was an increase of human mortality due cold climate so only the most adapted, generally healthier survive but again too much select agaisnt cognitive flexibility for cognitive specialization.
Mas = but
Still doesn’t explain why Rushton’s hierarchy is broadly correct and why ancestral distance from the equator is predictive of higher IQ.
You say that still even knowing that Corey and Cryns 1995 and Peregrine, Ember and Ember 2003 exist? Sad.
Funny point about ancestral distance from the equator being “predictive of higher IQ”—Satoshi Kanazawa 2008 published “Temperature and evolutionary novelty as forces behind the evolution of general intelligence” in Intelligence on that about evolutionarily novel environments being associated with higher IQ, but since he used the Pythagoras theorem, the paper assumed the earth what flat as Wicherts et al 2012 showed. Quite poetic, if you ask me. Nevermind, again, the fact that Rebecca Sear’s 2022, Moreale and Levendis 2012 and Ebbeson’s critiques of Lynn’s fraudulent data.
Alright, go to Africa, Central America, or make friends with an (pure) Australian Aborigine family if you enjoy their intelligent nuanced culture. Stop moving to where all the white people are please.
Absolutely irrelevant. I was born here, genius.
Stop trying to tell actual Americans with heritage for hundreds and thousands of years what they should do with their countries, and go back to Italy/Africa.
Thanks for calling me a genius.
“go back” to where you’re not from. Makes sense.
it does make sense to anyone who doesn’t have autism or isn’t a LIAR.
look up “polysemy” then pay reparations then ban yourself.
“you came from” = “your kind came from”. DUH!
BAN RR.
I’m “from” America.
for example:
if lurker and i had our family trees examined along with rr’s…
rr’s american ancestry would become very tenuous or non-existent around 1880 at the latest.
mugabe’s would just keep getting thicker until maybe 1800 then vanish at st augustine and plymouth.
lurker’s would keep on keepin’ on.
none of rr’s ancestors fought let alone fought and died in the american revolutionary war or the american civil war.
yet he wants argues such to be forced at the point of a gun to pay reparations.
RR IS EVIL. RR HAS A LOW IQ. BAN RR.
So what?
“forced at the point of a gun to pay reparations” – I never said that.
Ban me, I’m evil, low IQ yet you keep commenting to me. Curious. Shut the fuck up.
…around 1880 at the latest…or earliest depending on which direction you’re going in time…
you know what i mean but rr will LIE and pretend he doesn’t.
I never said that.
so you want “voluntary reparations”. sad.
WHAT DO YOU THINK TAXES ARE?
BAN RR.
My argument states US government should.
“So what?”
Why do you have a habit of ignoring arguments when they clearly (at least partially) refute what you say? It’s like when I said dozens of times that physical and mental are both abstract, and hence could be considered one substance and need not to be dualistically separated (even though there are differences obviously), and you just ignored it. Or how I showed that you can’t talk about subjective thoughts without referencing their temporal and spatial locations.
Why do you think white and Asian people (the “America” that will pay for reparations) could afford this? All evidence shows that if they did pay monetary reparations, it would barely move the needle of black American success. The Japanese are as successful as their ancestry predicts, and so are Native Americans.
“none of rr’s ancestors fought let alone fought and died in the american revolutionary war or the american civil war.”
That’s a key point… heritage White Americans kept progressing the country and progressing cultural values, including abolishing slavery, and did it with their blood, sweat, and tears. Someone who doesn’t weigh that and is not even a heritage American shouldn’t be taken seriously. You’re literally acting like a global colonizer imposing your regulations on a country without knowing the history.
And it’s always ironic that liberal types say that money has too much value in our society and doesn’t solve every problem yet constantly act as if simply giving it to people will solve all their problems. That’s the whole theme of racial relations in the US. No matter what whites give blacks, it never makes a difference. Some good things happen, but the animosity and differences never disappear.
“My argument states US government should.”
Why not Africa since we’ve given it so much aid? Why not the descendants of the people who captured and sold the slaves? It’s almost like they were never able to build anything meaningful to give their descendants because of their genetics and culture.
many slaves were caught & captured by whites.
The US government would pay for it, per my argument. Not individuals. My article shows why Asians are successful in America.
https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2023/02/16/on-asian-immigration-to-the-united-states-hyper-selectivity-and-hereditarian-musings-on-asian-academic-success/
“That’s a key point…”
It’s an irrelevant point. Point blank, I’m an American, I was born in America.
“Why not Africa”
The aid the US has given Africa is irrelevant. But I agree they should pay too.
Click to access 27.1_MUHAMMAD.pdf
Anyway, I won’t let you shift this conversation to irrelevancy from the main point anymore—which is the fraudulent nature of Lynn’s “national IQs.”
“many slaves were caught & captured by whites.”
Correct. I do believe that there are accounts of Africans flagging down ships to sell captured people. But there are still yet more accounts—as Drescher notes—of whites going inland to capture more people.
many slaves were caught & captured by whites.
LIE!
NONE OF THEM WERE.
EXACTLY ZERO.
…as Drescher notes…
RR HAS STILL YET TO MEET PILL’S CHALLENGE.
SAD.
… I won’t let you LET ME shift this conversation to irrelevancy..LIKE ANAL PHILOSOPHY…
SAD.
“The US government would pay for it, per my argument. Not individuals. My article shows why Asians are successful in America.”
Certain groups are disproportionately represented in creating America and being taxed. Stop playing dumb.
“https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2023/02/16/on-asian-immigration-to-the-united-states-hyper-selectivity-and-hereditarian-musings-on-asian-academic-success/”
No one cares. I’ve been to East Asia, they are more intelligent. Even hunchbacked old ladies cleaning shops are more intelligent than the average West African.
“It’s an irrelevant point. Point blank, I’m an American, I was born in America.”
You’re a swarthy colonizer who should go make Italy great if you believe in your DST so much.
“The aid the US has given Africa is irrelevant. But I agree they should pay too.”
That’s great. Was this mentioned in your article then?
“Correct. I do believe that there are accounts of Africans flagging down ships to sell captured people. But there are still yet more accounts—as Drescher notes—of whites going inland to capture more people.”
Again, whether Africa pays or not, we can always go back further in time to show how someone else’s ancestor was a slave of someone else, so it’s pointless. Blacks and whites are not the same, and they will never “be equal” or “get along the way the same race does” en masse, because blacks haven’t even show that they can get along with themselves.
“Anyway, I won’t let you shift this conversation to irrelevancy from the main point anymore—which is the fraudulent nature of Lynn’s “national IQs.””
I don’t hold Lynn’s national IQs as gospel so that’s fine.
“Certain groups are disproportionately represented” – Which premise in my argument is false?
“No one cares” – it shows WHY Asians are successful in America. You should care.
“You’re a swarthy colonizer” – haha. My family has earned their keep in this country.
“That’s great” – no, because it was about what America owes.
“Blacks and whites are not the same” – I never made that claim. They differ in suites of anatomic and physiologic variables.
“I don’t hold Lynn’s national IQs as gospel” – why did you bring up this, then, even after I’ve shown both are straight bullshit from fraudulent “researchers”: “Still doesn’t explain why Rushton’s hierarchy is broadly correct and why ancestral distance from the equator is predictive of higher IQ.”
THE US GOVT PAYS FOR THINGS BY:
1. AT THE POINT OF A GUN TAXES.
2. PRINTING MONEY…AND THUS TAXES VIA INFLATION.
EITHER WAY IT’S A FORCED TRANSFER OF WEALTH.
BAN RR.
“Which premise in my argument is false?”
I’ve already said this. And we already pay blacks through many avenues in the US, and in Africa.
Japanese Americans aren’t net drains on the economy, and are far fewer in number so that’s one extra reason to pay for their reparations.
But again you actually have to show that reparations would be helpful on average to the whole country if you’re going to make a moral argument. That’s something so nuanced and complex that no one really could. Which is why your syllogistic argument style is pointless here.
” it shows WHY Asians are successful in America. You should care.”
Nigerian immigrants also do well in the US. I don’t use Asian American success as the reason I think they have higher IQs than West Africans.
“– haha. My family has earned their keep in this country.”
Haha. So have white people. Stop asking us to pay for people who largely hate us.
“no, because it was about what America owes.”
Countries/States are made of people.
“I never made that claim. They differ in suites of anatomic and physiologic variables.”
It’s important because you’re never going to figure out when some debt has been “paid” when you can only measure it by group success vs. other groups.
“why did you bring up this, then, even after I’ve shown both are straight bullshit from fraudulent “researchers”: “Still doesn’t explain why Rushton’s hierarchy is broadly correct and why ancestral distance from the equator is predictive of higher IQ.””
Because national average IQ differences are self-evident. I just don’t believe in Lynn’s specific data.
we pay blacks through many avenues”
I addressed this claim in my article. Social safety nets aren’t reparations; untold amounts of dollars were never paid to slaves.
And if you’re interested, this paper shows the benefits of reparations and COVID for the black community.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7871902/
“Nigerian immigrants so do well in the US”
Yea since they, like Asians, are a selected population, as I noted. And there is the empirical fact that immigrants have a higher educational attainment than those who don’t emigrate.
If you’re going to use anecdotes then I will too. Anthropologist Scott MacEachern talks about the misconceptions about Africans and how they live and how they’re “intelligent.”
The US government owes reparations due to the fact that they aided and abetted slavery; trillions of dollars weren’t paid to slave laborers, so it follows that since US government paid other groups reparations they should pay blacks.
“national IQ differences are self-evident” – this is an empirical claim, and you brought up Rushton’s (discredited) r/K and Kanazawa’s flat-earth humans-walk-on-water math for your claim.
“I addressed this claim in my article. Social safety nets aren’t reparations; untold amounts of dollars were never paid to slaves.”
Saying they aren’t reparations doesn’t make it true.
“And if you’re interested, this paper shows the benefits of reparations and COVID for the black community.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7871902/”
Even if this were a useful or proper study, this doesn’t show how the racial gap is closed, or the effects of the costs of reparations.
“Yea since they, like Asians, are a selected population, as I noted. And there is the empirical fact that immigrants have a higher educational attainment than those who don’t emigrate.”
Yet the population of East Asian countries is obviously much more intelligent than the population of West African countries. Sad.
“If you’re going to use anecdotes then I will too. Anthropologist Scott MacEachern talks about the misconceptions about Africans and how they live and how they’re “intelligent.””
Yes, he sounds like an idiot.
“The US government owes reparations due to the fact that they aided and abetted slavery; trillions of dollars weren’t paid to slave laborers, so it follows that since US government paid other groups reparations they should pay blacks.”
Again, trillions of dollars is a made-up number based on calculations probably worse than whatever Kanazawa supposedly did, and it follows that blacks owe whites and Western civilization yet never pay up.
“this is an empirical claim, and you brought up Rushton’s (discredited) r/K and Kanazawa’s flat-earth humans-walk-on-water math for your claim.”
It’s an empirical claim which has been shown to be true through many different measures.
Saying they are reparations doesn’t make them reparations. My argument is sound.
The paper answers the question you posed.
MacEachern has done actual field work there (so has Cathryn Townsend) and they’ve told quite different stories about Africans and their ways of life then the idiotic and false hereditarian misunderstandings.
Blacks were enslaved for hundreds of years. Even using a low end estimate of wages they didn’t earn for their labor that’s a ton of money they never got, and consequently, their descendants didn’t.
What different measures show that? I’m merely stating that you brought up (1) Rushton, (2) Kanazawa’s evolutionary novelties, and (3) consequently Lynn’s “national IQs.” The fact of the matter is, hereditarianism rests on straight false bullshit.
RR: “American taxpayers won’t have to pay to bail out SVB because the government said they would pay for it.”
Literally RR’s argument about reparations not being paid by whites or welfare not being reparations.
It’s a fact that welfare isn’t reparations and, for the last time, my argument is sound. US government has paid other groups it has harmed in the past and so too should it pay blacks.
Your argument is totally bogus. And ive never used the word bogus before but thats how terrible your argument is
Climatologically speaking, I think it’s pretty obvious that the climates in higher latitudes are much harder to adapt to. A polar influence makes life a lot harder during the winter, and the temperature difference between the poles and the mid-latitudes is the primary cause of severe weather during the other months.
Even in coastal California, the difference in average temperature between winter and summer is 2x that in Nairobi, for example.
What do you think climates and climatological variance are like in Africa in which parts?
“i’m favor to social jewstice”
Yeah you are in favor of the alliance between economic neoliberal and post modern identitarian “elites” and upon jewish masterminding who are replacing fight against social inequities to identity fight. That’s why billionaires now can use identitarian policies like fake anti racism as a moral armor while the biggest injustice is exactly their or any social parasitism. The rich now blame ordinary whites for moral crimes rather than accuse themselves and “elites” in general for most of human problems. So but so convenient…
excellent comment peepee. i hope the santo personality replaces your master personality.
russell brand gets it. chris hedges has begun to wake up. adam curtis gets it in part.
SJWism is just a pro-wrestling character. but dumb people think pro-wrestling is real.
100 varieties of shampoo and only two political parties. hahaha.
of course there’s another “social justice” which is real but impotent. namely catholic social teaching. something jews jeffrey sachs and noam chomsky admire. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_social_teaching
Anyone notice the way blacks might actually be getting dumber and dumber?
Thats what Rushton’s theory proposes – that blacks would actually get dumber if there were no constraints on r selected breeding.
I bet RR’s ho looks horrible looking. Most black women are hideous. RR went dumpster diving after being rejected by every white woman in a 30 mile radius.
Haha you’re delusional.
It wouldn’t surprise me if RR actually considered turning gay after failing so much with women. In the end he chose the best option he could think of – Robanda Williams who weighs twice his body size.
Yea you’re delusional. Me, who eats well and lifts, would date someone twice my size. Sure thing bro.
His wife/GF could also be 67% white but is still considered black for the AA benefits. Much like how Shaun King considers himself black, or Obama or Trevor Noah etc. are considered black despite literally being half.
of course i meant “true threat” not “actual threat”. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/True_threat
in which case it gets complicated.
BUT…
SCOTUS has been very on the side of the speaker…it has to be a true threat in his mind too…not just in the mind of the hearer.
but if the only thing that’s threatened is your ego…
judge: 10 years!
pills ego is threatened all the time.
by AK no less.
again having a different personality from you is not autism pill.
mental illness is not autism its trauma. (stupid schizo pill)
RR is basically a kind of parody account of an SJW. Hahaha.
Sometimes it’s like he looks for every single argument an academic has made that supports blank slatism and for the hereditarianism, he browses Twitter and takes the most ridiculous and insulting versions as the “main arguments against his view”.
the maker of that autobiographical documentary went on to to HLS. i wonder what her LSAT was.
yeah! the deal is…
mere insults no matter how horrible…
civilized people just walk away. they press the “ignore button” in meat space.
so-called “actual threats” are different, but such are rare and VERY different from mere abuse.
I met a homeless man who thinks he can tell who people are with his magic wand. He believes in shapeshifters.
people like pill cannot know when a person is autistic.
because magic wands don’t exist in reality.
only neurotypicals can. because they are NOT delusional (like schizos are) and they have a theory of mind (unlike autists).
pill can’t recognize the differences between clinical and social autism.
He is delusional. (I “Know” The Truth)
Thinks he has the answers and thinks this “knowledge” is objective.
Finance, Jews, Blacks, Soros, Opra. Yes, pill “knows” the truth about all of them. Why? Because he knows. Insict is never wrong because schizo.
“Agency detection”
pill sees what is not there.
knows what is unknowable.
has confirmation bias (I was right 100% of the time about everything, it happened right when I knew it would)
paranoid – it was “them”.
“conspiracy theory”
top-down
does not account for randomness
thinks only one group is in control
thinks the Illuminati are celebrities open and public.
moon landing was a creation of the pope in 1500s (flat earthers)
“Finance”
all the above^
Is anyone here familiar with Joseph Sobran? I’ve really enjoyed reading through some of his old columns. http://www.sobran.com/wanderer/index.shtml
Just learn how to fight my guy. Just always be on high alert even when eating at school. Great idea.
When I was in high school a black kid poured Sprite on my head. I then asked a black girl for her drink, she gave it to me, and said “You won’t do it.” I poured it on his head and we fought. There’s always retaliation, and not sitting there and taking it. Then again, I’m not a pussy and I don’t let anyone walk over me.
She was clearly out after the first hit to the head. PP: please, ban this bully. I used to read this blog but RR stopped me from doing that.
Obviously the poured drink part is not what I was talking about, it was the relentless punching sneak attack. And school fighting was obviously just an example of the much more violent attacks that shouldn’t shown on PP’s blog.
I wonder what the internet white nationalists would have said about some of the fights I’ve had at school when I was a kid. You show out-of-context fights from a racist white nationalist with a slew of racist comments, damn you got me. Kids fight. Deal with it.
It’s the type of attack (sneaking and relentless) and way it was enacted that epitomizes black violence. The schoolyard nature is obviously not representing the much worse violence African Americans routinely enact on a higher per capita basis.
Many such cases.
pill mistakes my lack of self-management for a lack of self-awareness. I look autistic because I cannot manage things not because I do not feel anything. I am disassociated and pill does not understand what trauma is.
pill also mistakes my inability to manage things socially as a lack of social awareness. Like I said before preditors only look for vulnerabilities in people. They do not have empathy but can manipulate others to get what they want. they have self-awareness and self-management.
pumpkin is wrong that emotional intelligence is all about social management. This excludes self-awareness and empathy with others. psychopaths lack them yet somehow they are the most socially intelligent? as a robot yes but as a human being no.
12 things make up emotional intelligence and self-awareness is the beginning. pill might have empathy but lacks social awareness (schizotypal). Or his doctor is wrong? most likely not because pill comes to the wrong conclusions socially.
I feel uncomfortable all the time because people scare me.
Has nothing to do with a lack of understanding.
I feel judged all the time and jumping out of my skin.
Several people here have personality disorders.
AK – avoidant (unsettledness)
pill – schizotypal (odd thoughts)
ian – borderline (lashes out)
loaded – histrionic (dramatic)
Pumpkin you sadistic Turkroach son of a bitch when will you stop playing games with the world? you are a BITCH!
^^^THE HIGHEST IQ COMMENTER ON THIS BLOG.^^^
❤ u
LOL hes obviously being very sarcastic dumbass.
No he’s not. Just as autists can’t see sarcasm when it’s there, you as a schizo see sarcasm when it’s not there.
Plus you’re mad that the person you think is smartest thinks the person you think is dumbest is smartest.
Puppy your social intelligence is really really bad if you genuinely think Robert thinks that Loaded is the smartest person here lol. Im actually laughing at how silly that is.
He’s exaggerating for comic effect but he does think Loaded is smart. Loaded reminds him of himself in that they both reveal a lot of personal info, both are extreme misanthropes, both come up from highly educated families, and both did very well on the SAT.
Mug is the father i always wanted and Pumpkin is the mother i always wanted 😉
And you’re the son I always wanted to abort.
What the fuck. 2 weeks ago these 2 were attacking each other and Mugabe was impersonating Loaded and calling him a dickless loser. Hes obviously being facetious. No sane person could read Loadeds crap and think he was smart.
He’s not brilliant but he’s smart in a angry troll kind of way.
PP is trolling you phill. Or she is really deteriorating.
She want to make you think you are delusional like gaslighting.
But i admit some of the recent sober loaded comments were on point.
“nativism” is a word like “populism”. both are used as terms of abuse, as pejoratives.
but if you actually stop and ask yourself, “what do these words mean?”
then you see rr and melo must be banned.
*…run casinos…
slavery was and had been for a long time established in west africa…
some wypipo had an idea one day, “how ’bout we get in on this? the new world has hardly in pipo and all the natives have died from wypipo diseases. chuh-ching!”
and so they paid for slaves from the locals.
BUT then the demand/the transatlantic market grew slowly but inexorably so that the locals went looking for more and more slaves.
WHY would you put your own life in danger and do a shit ton of “work” and a horrible “job” if you didn’t need to?
YOU WOULDN’T.
I don’t buy it. The whole point of white supremacy is whites ENSLAVED blacks. If they merely bought slaves from blacks then we as HBDers need to pack it in. And if they were just gona buy slaves why not buy white slaves? They deliberately when to a continent where they had more power than the locals and why would you do that if you’re just doing business like equals?
no white slaves on offer peepee…on the atlantic coast of africa.
or they chose not to because they were white.
RR is fucking stupid and doesnt know history. Almost every race has enslaved another race or ethnicity. Its the human condition. If blacks had sophisticated enough millitary they would have enslaved as well. Ban RR.
Negroids are the ONLY macro-race to be enslaved long-term by members of another macro-race. And I don’t buy the narrative that they were sold into slavery by other blacks. I think that’s an exaggeration that became popular because it both placates white guilt while also making blacks feel less inferior.
PP it’s established that they were sold by other blacks. The paper I cited earlier has a good discussion on it and states that Ghana and Benin were the only countries to issue apologies.
this is a “teachable moment” for rr and peepee.
why did slavery end in europe?
hint: slavery never ended in…
the territory conquered by muslims…
answer: atheist historians agree…
christianity.
“rr’s hair suggests he may be a flying spaghetti monster. what’s wrong with my argument and why?”
Lol
“answer: atheist historians agree…
christianity.”
Good point, or you’d have to just admit that white people are a lot universalist and egalitarian.
African tribes had enslaved each other as well (still). But whites started to enslaved blacks because already existent “market”, geographical facility and also because they were adapted to tropical climate (what i read on that book of Harari). Of course, being psycho and dumb helped but what whites did with blacks was not different from what they did among themselves. Just look at endless wars in Europe (and still today…).
Catholic church and protestant later had a prominent role on slave trade. They used the stolen gold from Americas to embelished european church and enriched themselves.
Vatican is Always there…
By an individual perspective, no has such thing “white guilt”. Majority of current ordinary whites were not to blame for african slavery but specially their “elites”. European monarchies have signficant more responsibilty for african slave trade than ordinary white people so why not a “royal guilt??
AND recall more slaves were shipped to mexico than the US…let alone the rest of the new world.
AND this “trade” took place over 350+ years.
AND RR CAN’T GET I THROUGH HIS THICK HEAD THAT SOME OF HIS OWN ANCESTORS WERE SLAVES, AS WERE SOME OF MINE, AS WERE SOME OF LITERALLY EVERYBODY’S.
WYPIPO WERE SLAVES IN NORTH AFRICA AT THE SAME TIME BLACKS WERE SLAVES IN THE AMERICAS.
WHY ARE ICELANDERS ONE THIRD IRISH? BECAUSE IRISH SLAVES!
slaves were shipped everywhere in the new world except perhaps what is today canada.
https://news.osu.edu/when-europeans-were-slaves–research-suggests-white-slavery-was-much-more-common-than-previously-believed/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_antiquity
Lets just stop polluting the thread with this asinine nonsense. We all know RR is an idiot. Just ban him. He doesnt belong here.
that’s a double sadly.
rr never gives any solutions let alone a [deleted by peepee].
does he want to put racists in re-education camps? gas chambers? ship them to madagascar? what?
also high triglycerides are a sequala of alcoholism. yet my cholesterol is cool.
so if i stop commenting it will be because:
1. i died from a heart attack. OR…
2. i stopped drinking. OR…
3. i finally grokked how it’s possible for people to be as stupid and evil as rr and thus abandoned my instinct to help him.///
wow! sad!
scroll down to Demography. and then to the chart…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_ancient_Rome
RR MUST PAY REPARATIONS TO MY ANCESTORS.
TO…
MY!
ANCESTORS!
So you’re admitting RR’s ancestors made your ancestors their bitch?
and vice versa.
mugabe: why is macro-race slavery worse?
peepee: because i hate wypipo.
mugabe: exactly!
BEAUCOUP BLACK SLAVES OWNED BY MENAs PRIOR TO 1498.
APOLOGIZE FOR YOU RACISM PEEPEE!
APOLOGIZE FOR YOU RACISM PEEPEE!
APOLOGIZE FOR YOU RACISM PEEPEE!
“mugabe: why is macro-race slavery worse?”
Why was WW2 worse than the Neapolitan wars?
industrialism.
blame science.
indentured servant — temporary slavery
serf — slavery except cannot be sold
peasant — ???
proletariat — ???
ALSO I MUST SAY…
“BLACK ARAB” IS NOT AN OXYMORON!
NOT!
SO IT COULD HAVE BEEN “ARABS” SELLING “NON-ARABS”, BOTH BLACK.
LIKE THE RECENT SUDAN SHIT.
FROM AN AMERICAN PERSPECTIVE THEY’RE ALL BLACK.
FROM THEIR PERSPECTIVE THEY’RE ARABS AND NOT.
“ARAB” != “ARABIAN”
IT’S A LOT LIKE “LATINO”.
MY DAD WROTE A LETTER TO SADAT’S WIDOW.
AND!!!
SHE ANSWERED! LIKE ACTUALLY ANSWERED!
I SHOULD FIND THAT!
MAYBE THROWN OUT AFTER HE DIED.
FROM AN AMERICAN PERSPECTIVE SADAT…DESPITE THE SKIN COLOR…I HOPE MOST AMERICANS WOULD RECOGNIZE HE WASN’T AN “AFRICAN AMERICAN”.
BUT HE WAS A BLACK ARAB.
“REGAL” FACE.
wypipo have committed suicide twice since 1914 and the guns of august.
the 30 years war was another suicide.
yes.
under the high culture of wypipo is something deep…
why melo’s race war is a bad idea not just because who has the guns…
when they have to be…
wypipo are evil.
they’re good at it….
sadly@sadly.com
the new world was a “sinkhole”…
the demand was INFINITE.
it was a “gimme more slaves. gimme more slaves. gimme more slaves.” place…
FOR OBVIOUS economic reasons.
BUT!
BUT!
BUT!
THIS was stretched out over 350 years.
let’s talk about slavery in brazil…
and colombia…
and the cribbean…
and peru…yes! peru!
and argentina…yes! argentina!
and then let’s all agree to stop being gay…and ban rr and melo.
In the only rational sense possible here, only-white guilt would be like the first self actualized moral model to stop this endless cycle of human self warfare. So the problem is not the white or target-specific group guilt per se but the only-white guilt. Like “we need to start from somewhere or someone”.
What i see
Totally predictable, one group of self declared anti racists here believe only “whites” need to be blamed while the other group use historically prevalent slavery practice not just to fight only-white guilt but also to relativize morality.
Both wrong. The first group is based on fallacies like cherry pick one, “whites must need pay reparations for black african slavery” totally forgeting or despising the prominent role of muslims on it and also non shy jewish participation on it. They also forget that african tribes had enslaved themselves. So doesnt make sense only white paying reparations and why whites?? The most of working class descendents?? The free to be exploited??
Also it’s ignorant calling european descendents “whites” in american sense. Ireland has a long history being a british plantation and lots of irish people were treated like slaves for centuries. A whole nation and whole ethnicity being treated like second or third class citizen…
The second group use a fixed/completed factual-historical exposition to relativize morality to take away any guilt from whites: wrong. Because it also can be use to justify current jewish role on demographic replacement of white people.
“Morality is relative for you not for me”
Again, we need multiple perspectives and precision on historical analysis to solve this:
All european whites enslaved all african blacks??
No.
All european whites has been benefited from black slavery??
No.
The historical reality is like that
“Monarchical, religious and mercantilistic powerful groups in Europe were the biggest responsible to organize, invest and profit from transantlantic slave trade. While they were opressing and exploiting majority of ordinary europeans (without counting endless wars by completely dumb reasons) they were doing the same but worse in atlantic coastal Africa and on their american colonies. They did the same on native americans. Jewish participation on it was not really shy and muslims also enslaved black africans at very similar rates as europeans did”.
Binnary thinking
Blame only-white or blame none?? (False dilemma)
Multiple perspectives
Blame all human groups for their past criminal/irrational actions and also in the present to start to fight it. About whites (but also for any other group), it’s possible to blame them collectively and historically but never individually only if a white individual is literally enslaving someone by racial reasons. Always recommendable to highlight the biggest really responsible groups for slave trade and also other systemized irrationalities: the so called “elites” (monarchy, church and market).
(Often negrophile and pro immigration dont give a shit for native americans. For example, tey defend a radical open borders policy and it’s basically mean “more foreigner colonizing former native american lands… And cynically ask for white people who are against en masse immigration “dont you remember of native americans??”)
Santo your comments are very good.
you are a retard Pill you dont even understand what he is saying smart fuck
you dumb asswipe
Thanks phill.
.
I remember when loaded literally invaded Evo and Proud blog. Frost was very generous with you loading. You literally destroyed his comment sections with your presence and this should be a psychiatric question not a hbd one. We are not blame if you are suicidal. Not us.
Santo great comment on many points.
“(Often negrophile and pro immigration dont give a shit for native americans. For example, tey defend a radical open borders policy and it’s basically mean “more foreigner colonizing former native american lands… And cynically ask for white people who are against en masse immigration “dont you remember of native americans??”)”
That’s a great point. They act like “white people colonized (400 years ago) and brought blacks with them, therefore the US is a free-for-all”. They also retardedly ignore that this mass immigration was through settling and slavery. Never did non-Majority race immigrants come into an already-built nation in massive numbers peacefully. Even members of the majority-race had to face massive hurdles and had to fight to fit into the community. It was never a happy-go-lucky melting pot, nor did it happen so suddenly.
And there are some studies showing:
Great ”brain drain” from poor countries to rich ones
and
increased competition between Black Americans and immigrants, especially Latinos.
Social jewstice…
Exactly!
They supposedly discount centuries of failed multicultural experiments and these correlations with expanding empires rather than democracies.
Look, I have nothing against a little immigration/cultural diversity, 5, 10, at most 20% of immigrants.
But what is happening in the West is far from being moderate.
These are arbitrary measures, without any popular participation or approval.
And they are very radical because they want to replace the native populations of the Western world.
Anyone with a minimal insight knows that the combination of MUCH lower fertility rates, mass immigration, and race mixing will basically eliminate these populations in the long run.
Meanwhile, stark social differences continue to exist…