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In 1969, Arthur Jensen wrote an article in the prestigious Harvard Educational Review [HER} that transformed him from highly respected, but little known scholar, to one of the most controversial and influential psychologists of all time. So influential was Jensen, that a new word entered the English language: Jensenism; and a platoon of famous scholars made a career out of trying to debunk him.
The three tenets of Jensenism are:
- Compensatory education fails to improve the IQ or scholastic skills of culturally deprived kids.
- Genetics explains more of the variance in American IQ than culture.
- Genetics likely explains some part of the 15 point black-white IQ gap in the United States
So powerful was Jensenism that President Nixon assigned his staff to report to him on Jensen’s HER article. In 1974 Daniel Patrick Moynihan stated, “The winds of Jensenism are blowing through Washington with gale force.”.
Frank Miele writes:
According to John Ehrlichman, Richard Nixon told him that he believed America’s Blacks could only marginally benefit from federal programs because they were genetically inferior to Whites. All the federal money and programs we could devise could not change that fact. Though he believed that Blacks could never achieve parity in intelligence, economic success, or social qualities, we should still do what we could for them, within limits, because it was the “right” thing to do.
From page 151 of Intelligence, Race and Genetics by Frank Miele
While Nixon was clearly a Jensenista, Jensen was a self-described liberal, stating:
In fact, I voted for Johnson in the 1964 presidential election. I felt strongly enough about it that I voted by absentee ballot because I was in London on sabbatical leave working as a Guggenheim Fellow in Eysenck’s department.
I believed in the Great Society proposals, particularly with respect to education and Head Start. When I returned to California I gave talks at schools, PTA meetings, and conferences and conventions explaining why these things were important and should be promoted. I have always been opposed to racial segregation and discrimination. They go against everything in my personal philosophy, which includes maximizing individual liberties and regarding every individual in terms of his or her own characteristics rather than the person’s racial or ethnic background. How could I think otherwise when at the time I had been steeped in Gandhian philosophy for over 20 years?
From pages 33-34 of Intelligence, Race and Genetics by Frank Miele
But by 1969 he was clearly less liberal when it came to compensatory education for disadvantaged kids. Was he changing his views to gain political traction in Nixon’s more conservative America? Jensen states:
Absolutely false! That way of thinking is completely foreign to me. I am almost embarrassed by my lack of interest in politics and I was even less interested in those days than I am now. The idea of providing any kind of “ammunition,” scientific or otherwise, to help any political regime promote its political agenda is anathema in my philosophy. One always hopes, of course, that politicians will pay attention to scientific findings and take them into consideration in formulating public policy. But I absolutely condemn the idea of doing science for political reasons.
I have only contempt for people who let their politics or religion influence their science. And I rather dread the approval of people who agree with me only for political reasons.
From page 35 of Intelligence, Race and Genetics by Frank Miele
Nonetheless, some racists reached out to Jensen, for help. Jensen states:
After the publicity surrounding the HER article, I did receive a number of letters from so-called citizens’ groups in various Southern states, asking if I would write letters to their local newspapers in support of racial segregation in public schools. I replied that I was, and always have been, absolutely opposed to racial segregation of any kind. One of these people wrote back calling me “just another Berkeley pinko!” He at least gave me the satisfaction of knowing I had angered him.
From page 21 of Intelligence, Race and Genetics by Frank Miele
So after 30 years of arguing that races differ in genetic IQ, what did Jensen think of affirmative action. Jensen states:
When the original concept of Affirmative Action was just catching on in the 1960s it was not a quota system. That only came later. I approved two main facets of its original intent, and I still do: (1) We should make special efforts to ensure that historically underrepresented minorities are fully aware the educational opportunities in colleges and universities, in job training programs, and in employment opportunities are open to all, provided they meet the usual qualifications; and (2) colleges and universities, job training programs, and employers should actively seek out and recruit minority persons who could qualify by the usual standards, including the use of academic talent searches at the high school level, special inducements, and scholarships to encourage academically promising minority students to go on to college.
From page 177 of Intelligence, Race and Genetics by Frank Miele
Arthur Jensen lived from 1923 to 2012.

The philosopher is right I have a specific deficit in social IQ. I had no friends in highschool. And I have burnout in the way I think. Mugabe thinks I am a specific age because of my comments. And my interest in kid’s things. I am actually really good with kids when my fatigue is not acting up. I learn things like a child before they specialize and grow up.
Children’s education is a wide field. We don’t know its full potential.
Every person is different and so the technique in raising their IQ is different.
It should only be fair that we treat individuals according to how their brain works not mass manufacturing industrial age batches.
We should know more about students to help them not give up.
notice america’s smartest president was an anti-semite by today’s standards.
One of the smartest. Jefferson & Clinton might have been smarter.
Notice how Nixon was a Jensenista
NO!
the ultimate reason for negrophobia is LOOK-ISM.
compare african negroes with malabar coast negroes, black indians…
skin color has nothing to do with it.
so when plagiarists and adulterers like MLK talk about skin color…
it just makes intelligent people HATE them.
The genetics test I took says I am only 10% black not 50%.
But even people with such a small amount can look black.
It is just about gene expression that determines “LOOK’s”.
the whole theroux family is a YUGE challenge for hereditists and albanians alike.
paul theroux is a pretty average writer, but he’s extremely prolific and therefroe is the only american who deserves the nobel prize in literature.
he had been a male prostitute…that is, he fucked other dudes for money…
for money…
you do what you gotta do…
but in typical gay fashion he died from a meth overdose.
On February 3, 1968, Cassady attended a wedding party in San Miguel de Allende, Guanajuato, Mexico. After the party, he went walking along a railroad track to reach the next town, but passed out in the cold and rainy night wearing nothing but a T-shirt and jeans. In the morning, he was found in a coma by the tracks, reportedly by Anton Black, later a professor at El Paso Community College, who carried Cassady over his shoulders to the local post office building. Cassady was then transported to the closest hospital where he died a few hours later on February 4, four days short of his 42nd birthday.
The exact cause of Cassady’s death remains uncertain.
if peepee were actually a hindu supremacist she might claim that:
1. the original aryans were quite dark skinned…even though they came from the steppes of russia or further north from the whale graveyard…
2. the brahmins of india haven’t mixed that much with the dravidian indigenes…even though they aren’t that much lighter skinned…
THEREFORE…
3. the brahmins of india are still the world’s highest class people.
how many generations and accidents exploited does it take? such that….
i LITERALLY CAN-NOT take my dog for a walk without a perfect stranger telling me…
“YOUR DOG IS GORGEOUS.”
i’m NOT making it up.
i LITERALLY CANNOT take my dog for a walk without some total stranger being OVERCOME with his beauty.
IT’S FUCKING BORING!
HOW PREDICTABLE IT IS…
given the negligible importance of money to living a fulfilling life in the developed world (if you’re smart)…
women are stupid but…maybe not as stupid as guys like lion think…
most women won’t spread it for fat disgusting guys…women who do are the exception…
but a man’s social status is a rough indication of the quality of his genes.
but in general…men who bitch about how women aren’t attracted to them because they aren’t rich…a lot of those men are just physically un-attractive…
“women are whores, but in the exact opposite sense ‘whore’ is usually taken.” — neal cassady
negligible importance of money to living a fulfilling life in the developed world (if you’re smart)…
False
secretariat was such a FREAK i actually watched a bio-pic of his owner, mrs tweedy.
why is secretariat not boring?
1. because rich folk used to show off by breeding horses…the whole economic/material basis of feudalism in europe was…horses are VERY expensive.
“you have to be rich to own an elephant”, the thai girl in my doctoral class at wisc o-chem said.
it’s cellophane!
it’s extremely sad that african people like peepee and rr hate themselves so much that they pretend to be dark skinned people from italy or india or wherever…
but this recapitulates my mother’s experience in brazil…
northern brazil near the coast where 90% were at least part black…
the black brazilians were VERY race conscious…
a family picture they would say…
saiu escuro and cabelo ruim…
rr: hispanics are a racialized linguistic group.
judge: the people have spoken…
the defendant, rr, will be executed by horse penis live on CNN.
SERIOUSLY…
CAT IS MORE PROFOUND THAN RR YET….
PEEPEE IS STILL THREATENED BY MY SEXINESS.
you can see what men don’t get…
how can i truly love someone if i don’t understand why she wants to put me in the garbage disposal?
EVERY WOMAN WANTS SECRETARIAT!
CAN YOU BLAME HER?
she would promote this movie up the wazoo if she weren’t.
for example:
1. tucker carlson is OBVIOUSLY gay…he used to wear a bowtie.
2. rr is OBVIOUSLY gay…he has a beard and a man bun.
3. lava pours forth from my mangina…like when i [redacted by pp, April 13, 2020]
i don’t know because i’m not a girl, but epstein’s monkey mouth was out of control.
it was too much of a good thing.
trump still hasn’t investigated Epstein’s operation. Utterly useless
i read my comments and i think, “damn i am fine!”
it’s interesting how people can become better looking (or the opposite) as they age.
like brando.
among male sex symbols, sean (no biceps) connery became better looking.
among female…helen mirren got sexier after she turned 50.
First of all, buzz you, Pumpkin, for not posting my comment about Pill.
Regardless, it’s foolish to think that in our day and age we’d listen to someone so archaic as Jensen. Biological and overall scientific progress is being made every day! Jensen is a remnant of the past that is largely unnecessary today. I mean, it might hold true but why not cross-examine it with a more robust way of determining these things, like polygenic scores and such.
I think it’s foolish to think you need hard scientific proof for any of this stuff. All three points are self-evident to anyone who’s spent time in a majority-minority school.
I dont think u get what I said. Its cool tho. I definitely think others might have gotten what I said.
Just like I haven’t gotten what you’ve said sometimes either
Jensen was against segregation but argued for it… Who are you fooling? I’m sure that Jensen would be ecstatic to know, then, that school integration had positive effects for blacks and absolutely no negative effects for whites. See:
“Compensatory education fails to improve the IQ or scholastic skills of culturally deprived kids.”
False.
https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2019/09/13/the-fade-out-effect/
Click to access CanIQChangeMH.pdf
For instance, to score well at the achievement tests used with older children it is essential to have some knowledge of algebra and geometry, but Seitz found that while the majority of middle-class children were being taught these subjects, the disadvantaged pupils were not getting the necessary teaching. For that reason they could hardly be expected to do well. As Seitz perceived, the true picture was not one of fading ability but of diminishing use of it. (Michael Howe, 1997: 54-55, IQ in Question).
“Genetics explains more of the variance in American IQ than culture”
Nonsense claim. Subcultures exist; and blacks and whites can be seen as cultural groups. (Castes, as John Ogbu said.)
In any case, it’s pseudoscience to believe you can partition the ontogeny of traits into nest little percentages. Jensen, it seems, never got the memo in his 40 years of pushing racist pseudoscience.
What about Jensen and his nazi friends?
https://altrightorigins.com/2019/06/07/jensen-nazi-friends/
Yea I know I know, “Guilt by association!” but you’re as good as the company you keep… What about that scumbag Cattell and Shockley? Two of Jensen’s buddies, hard-core racists.
https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2019/08/24/shockley-and-cattell/
https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2020/04/05/the-eugenic-thinking-of-iq-ists-and-criminologists/
Yea I know I know, “Guilt by association!” but you’re as good as the company you keep…
Dude, you have nazis posting unmoderated on your blog all the time.
Hahaha
I mean it’s true though RR. It’s kind of hypocritical to say this stuff while having the name “racerealist” and letting Mugabe and friends spam your blog.
OK if you’re going to say that then look at my Twitter. And my handle means I believe our racial categories pick out real kinds in nature so I don’t see how that’s hypocritical. The innane (sometimes insightful) ramblings of Mugabe I sometimes don’t approve but if there is some good stuff in there then I’ll leave it.
It’s in no way like Jensen’s situation, cozying up with certain types of extremists and their views (even outright stating things they would say—Jensen has quotes indistinguishable from Margaret Sanger).
LOL! So it’s okay for you to associate with a self-described Nazi who openly uses the N word on your blog, because he occasionally says something insightful, but it’s not okay for Jensen to associate with an alleged racist Shockley who won the NOBEL FREAKING PRIZE IN PHYSICS!!! Dat mathe senzze.
Eh, fair enough.
Shockley’s physics work has nothing to do with his abhorrent views and the reason why Jensen was first attracted to his views.
Jensen was willing to associate with an (alleged) racist because he was a Nobel Prize winner who shared Jensen’s views on HBD. You’re willing to associate with self-described Nazi who uses the N word on your forum, because he’s occasionally insightful and shares your views on HBD denial. I’d say you have more explaining to do than Jensen.
There is no reason to say “alleged racist” when it’s clear as day that Shockley was a racist. Jensen apparently shared more than “views on HBD” with Shockley, too. (Depending on how one defines “HBD”.)
rr has admitted he’s a self-hating black woman in so many ways it’s obvious at this point.
the purpose of his beard is to hide his prognathism.
And yet, he was quite friendly with neo-Nazis. Not exactly telling them to “buzz off.” https://altrightorigins.com/2019/06/07/jensen-nazi-friends/
And you’re quite friendly with RR who is quite friendly with neo-Nazis. No one has time to vet everyone they associate with. Guilt by association is lame. Jensen was also quite friendly with anti-racists like James Flynn and worshipped non-whites like Gandhi.
There is an enormous difference between chaining together some folks who comment on each other’s Twitter feeds and happen to blog (for the record, I was unaware of RR’s blog and have never read it—so sorry) and lending your name to lend credibility to an open admirer of Hans F.K. Guenther by writing an introduction to a book he’s publishing with his own press. Or, to cite another example, serving on the editorial board of Neue Anthropologie as well as publishing papers in it. NA was a neo-Nazi journal. Or, to cite ANOTHER example, granting a friendly interview with Jared Taylor, a leading white nationalist in the United States. Or citing Robert Kuttner, another neo-Nazi in the paper that make you famous. Or continually citing papers published in MANKIND QUARTERLY throughout your entire career. This wasn’t just a happenstance set of associations, this is using racist work in your intellectual work as well as lending a helping hand to racist causes.
These examples seem to prove that Jensen hardly told racists to “buzz off.” Refusing to endorse Jim Crow segregation in 1970, after the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act had passed can hardly be considered a brave anti-racist stance but a cold calculation that such measures were politically dead.
As your your claim that Jensen was “worshipped non-whites like Gandhi,” I’d ask you to document that curious claim. Gandhi died in 1948 and Jensen did not receive his PhD until 1956 and did not start publishing his race/IQ stuff until 1969, over two decades later. Please explain your very strange assertion.
There is an enormous difference between chaining together some folks who comment on each other’s Twitter feeds and happen to blog (for the record, I was unaware of RR’s blog and have never read it—so sorry) and lending your name to lend credibility to an open admirer of Hans F.K. Guenther by writing an introduction to a book he’s publishing with his own press.
Your source says only: Jensen palled around with neo-Nazis and admirers of Nazi racial thought. People who’s views were basically recapitulations of Nazi race theorist Hans F.K. Günther. Admirer of Nazi racial thought could mean almost anything. Btw, Jensen’s maternal grandmother was Jewish making him Jewish by Jewish law.
Or, to cite another example, serving on the editorial board of Neue Anthropologie as well as publishing papers in it. NA was a neo-Nazi journal.
…
Or citing Robert Kuttner, another neo-Nazi in the paper that make you famous. Or continually citing papers published in MANKIND QUARTERLY throughout your entire career. This wasn’t just a happenstance set of associations, this is using racist work in your intellectual work as well as lending a helping hand to racist causes.
Sadly, the field of HBD is overflowing with racists so publishing and citing others in the field means you have to associate with racists, but as long as that association is scientific and not political, one has nothing to apologize for. Great scientists were often terrible human beings: should we stop citing relativity because Einstein was anti-Chinese bigot ? Should we abandon molecular biology, quantum chemistry, nuclear disarmament and safer anesthesia because Linus Pauling wanted to tattoo the foreheads of unhealthy people to prevent them from breeding?
Or, to cite ANOTHER example, granting a friendly interview with Jared Taylor, a leading white nationalist in the United States.
Journalist Robert Fisk interviewed Usama Bin Laden; does that make him a member of Al Queda? President Obama gave several interviews to Fox News, does that make him a Republican? Barbara Walters interviewed almost every prominent accused murderer in America during the decades she was on TV. Jensen didn’t have the luxury of only granting interviews to legitimate sources because these had largely shunned him. He was also a bit politically naive and given that he had been falsely accused of racism, he may have been a bit too willing to give other accused racists the benefit of the doubt. Nonetheless it was clear in the interview just how different Jensen is from Taylor’s American Renaissance. Taylor (or whoever was asking the questions) is passionate about preserving the white race and thus asked how Jensen could be so philosophical (i.e. non-emotional) about the decline of Western civilization to which Jensen replied:
Well, I’m merely interested in the preservation of civilization, regardless of where it is. Some people are so afraid, of say, the Asians taking over in this country. Well if they can take over and do a better job than the rest of us, if they preserve the great things of both Western and Asian civilization, well I don’t think the world will be worse off. Race and color and national origin and that sort of thing, don’t really matter much to me at all. I’ve just never thought along those lines.
My fear would be a nation that devolved to the point where the great things of Western civilization would be lost. I’d hate to think that Beethoven would be lost to all except some small elite, and that these things could only be accessible on recordings and laser discs and so on. I like the idea of having an opera house where I can go and see Wagner, Verdi, and Puccini. I think that the Asians are capable of preserving that level of civilization, once introduced to it.
My fear is that if the population deteriorates to the point where there’s no demand for these things, then that part of our culture is lost, at least here. Maybe it will be preserved somewhere else in the world. The fruits of genius, wherever they’ve occurred in the world, have to be preserved for future generations. It’s conceivable you could have a country, or maybe even the world, in which these things become irrelevant because people are more concerned with creature comforts, overpopulation, and pure survival.
So even when talking to a white nationalist publication, Jensen maintains his non-tribal attitude and commitment to higher ideals.
These examples seem to prove that Jensen hardly told racists to “buzz off.” Refusing to endorse Jim Crow segregation in 1970, after the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act had passed can hardly be considered a brave anti-racist stance but a cold calculation that such measures were politically dead.
I admit the title of the article overstated my case, but there’s no strong evidence that Jensen was a racist, and there’s some evidence to the contrary. The level of detail and analysis Jensen put into his research is almost impossible to sustain for decades unless one is intrinsically motivated by science, not extrinsically motivated by a political agenda.
As your your claim that Jensen was “worshipped non-whites like Gandhi,” I’d ask you to document that curious claim. Gandhi died in 1948 and Jensen did not receive his PhD until 1956 and did not start publishing his race/IQ stuff until 1969, over two decades later. Please explain your very strange assertion.
See here
Ah, I’d misread your claim about Gandhi: I thought you wrote Gandhi admired Jensen and you wrote the opposite. My mistake and I apologize.
Einstein’s views of Chinese people have little to do with his physics so that argument is foolish. Jensen’s science was devoted, almost exclusively, to race: it is his central concern. Pauling’s idea about tattooing people should be rightly condemned. I’m not sure what the point is though, since Pauling might have floated that idea once compared to Jensen’s half-century of arguing that black people are just dumb and we should stop treating them like they are as smart as white people. Again, you are simply throwing dust into the air hoping that it will distract from Jensen’s five-decades of racist science and associations with racists.
“Admirer of Nazi racial thought could mean almost anything.” What the hell? Like what? That sentence is not polysemous; Roger Pearson was an admirer of Nazi racial policies. He had a lifetime of working with fascists and antisemites. This is incredibly well-documented should you actually be interested in this topic. There are lots of places you could find out information about him if you desire. A good place to start might be Kevin Coogan’s history of postwar fascism:
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Dreamer_of_the_Day/_Wa7AAAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1
The question is not “was Jensen a racist?” The question is why he did not recognize racism when served to him on a platter: Why did he work with Pearson or Taylor? Why did he continually cite racist pseudo-scholarship? Why was he as blind as you are to the way the far right used him as scientific cover for their regressive political agenda? What he was, was a fool. Thinking that his statistical sophistication shielded him from the political uses it was being used for.
The proper question is: What did the fascists hope to gain by associating with Jensen? If you read Robert Paxton’s work on fascism you find out that they seek alliances with more mainstream figures in order to whitewash their political agenda. In this case, Taylor and Pearson and Kuttner and the rest could point to the respectable Jensen and say, “See? We aren’t radical! Our views are supported by neutral science! IF they weren’t surely Jensen would have rejected our overtures rather than cooperate with us!” And, I will note, you are doing the exact same thing: making excuses for the most noxious political views possible by raising all kinds of nonsense about Einstein rather than asking yourself why fascists were interested in this supposedly non-political, strictly scientific topic of race and IQ. Just disinterested scientists were they? I think your admission that “HBD” h
And this sentence is unforgivably naive: ” The level of detail and analysis Jensen put into his research is almost impossible to sustain for decades unless one is intrinsically motivated by science, not extrinsically motivated by a political agenda.” The entire race/IQ argument is almost exclusively an American obsession and has been that for a century. It is motivated by the racial politics of the US; it is tied inextricably to policy questions in the US–even Jensen said this. This is not a scientific question: it is a political question.
“Sadly, the field of HBD is overflowing with racists so publishing and citing others in the field means you have to associate with racists.” Wow. Just wow. Why bother arguing anything else when you so clearly give the game away like this? WHY? is it “overflowing with racists?” WHY study this outdated and long since dead race/IQ issue? Study something else where you aren’t so clearly aligning your research agenda with racism. Unbelievable.
Einstein’s views of Chinese people have little to do with his physics so that argument is foolish. Jensen’s science was devoted, almost exclusively, to race: it is his central concern.
Not really. Jensen’s book The g Factor contained 14 chapters and only two of them were about race. His last book Clocking the Mind didn’t mention race at all. Jensen’s primary interest was individual differences. Indeed he saw group differences as aggregate individual differences.and so his view on race differences followed logically from his views on individual differences. That is he believed U.S. races differences in IQ had the exact same cause as individual differences within races. Since individual differences were overwhelmingly genetic according to Jensen, he believed the default assumption should be that race differences are likewise. Jensen was merely applying Occam’s razor. He was interpreting black American IQ the same way he interpreted any other American’s IQ: overwhelmingly genetic.
Pauling’s idea about tattooing people should be rightly condemned. I’m not sure what the point is though, since Pauling might have floated that idea once compared to Jensen’s half-century of arguing that black people are just dumb and we should stop treating them like they are as smart as white people.
Jensen never said blacks are dumb. He simply suggested they’re more at risk for carrying low IQ genetic variants, just as some ethnic groups are more at risk for certain diseases. But his data showed that millions of U.S. blacks are smarter than the average white and tens of millions of U.S. whites are dumber than the average black and some blacks score in the genius range.
Jensen’s point was you can’t fix a problem if you don’t know what’s causing it. Everyone was just assuming the cause of the black-white gap in IQ & school achievement was cultural deprivation and the solution was more and more compensatory education. Jensen merely pointed it out that the track record of such programs was dismal, so it was time to explore other possibilities, including genes.
Again, you are simply throwing dust into the air hoping that it will distract from Jensen’s five-decades of racist science and associations with racists.
There’s no such thing as racist science. A true scientists follows the evidence wherever it leads and that’s all Jensen was doing.
“Admirer of Nazi racial thought could mean almost anything.” What the hell? Like what? That sentence is not polysemous; Roger Pearson was an admirer of Nazi racial policies. He had a lifetime of working with fascists and antisemites. This is incredibly well-documented should you actually be interested in this topic. There are lots of places you could find out information about him if you desire. A good place to start might be Kevin Coogan’s history of postwar fascism:
LOL! I’ve been reading Jensen for years and this is the first I’ve ever heard of this. Jensen’s cited thousands of sources over the decades so it’s not hard to cherry pick the ones that fit your narrative.
The question is not “was Jensen a racist?” The question is why he did not recognize racism when served to him on a platter: Why did he work with Pearson or Taylor? Why did he continually cite racist pseudo-scholarship? Why was he as blind as you are to the way the far right used him as scientific cover for their regressive political agenda? What he was, was a fool. Thinking that his statistical sophistication shielded him from the political uses it was being used for.
What relevant person uses Jensen for cover? There are 535 members of congress. Can you name a single one who has ever publicly cited racial genetic differences in IQ as a reason to push any policy during the last 30 years? Nixon was a closet Jensenista and yet he was one of the most racially progressive Presidents of the 20th century, ushering in affirmative action. One could even argue that Jensenism leads to more minority friendly policies because if you think a group is handicapped by genes instead of by laziness, you’re more likely to help them instead of expecting them to pull themselves up by their bootstraps or wasting their time (and the tax payer’s money) with unrealistic expectations like compensatory education.
The proper question is: What did the fascists hope to gain by associating with Jensen?
No the real question, what did they gain? Nothing. Race science is more marginalized than ever. No one continued Jensen’s work when he died aside from a handful of bloggers nobody reads.
The entire race/IQ argument is almost exclusively an American obsession and has been that for a century. It is motivated by the racial politics of the US; it is tied inextricably to policy questions in the US–even Jensen said this. This is not a scientific question: it is a political question.
As Jensen himself said, the black-white academic achievement gap was the central question in educational psychology at the time Jensen entered the field. What’s wrong with trying to answer it? Are you saying we should suppress academic inquiry on one of the most important questions in education, public policy, anthropology, and human evolutionary history, just because racists might exploit it? In the age of genomics, the truth is going to inevitably come out whether we research it or not and racists are still going to push their evil agenda regardless of whether Jensenism is confirmed or debunked.
How could Rushton be a racist when he said Asians are smarter and had bigger brains right? That’s it, case closed. Rushton thought that Asians were “better” than whites, so therefore his white-black research isn’t mired in prejudice.
That’s how you sound.
PP should see “Jensen’s Pseudo Anti-Racism: A Reply to Puccetti” for a short read. One doesn’t need to be a seething “I HATE ALL GROUPS BUT MY OWN” type to be a racist. I thought PP would know better.
You’ve said you want America to be 90% white. How are you less racist than Jensen?
I recall saying that but that was years a go. My views on immigration are still changing and as of now I’m unsure of my positions because I am doing a lot of reading.
If you’re referring to ignorant garbage like this https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2016/03/06/non-western-people-are-abnormal-to-our-societies/ https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2016/04/19/germany-begins-to-slightly-wise-up-will-begin-iq-testing-migrants/ then they’re four years old and my views have greatly changed since then, as you know.
Though, I know I can argue the “abnormal to our society” argument in a much more philosophical way. See eg for a similar, non-racist argument: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/immigration/#PreCul
In any case, I don’t know my current views on immigration. Stay posted. I’ll probably write something for your blog on the matter.
interesting
Show some consistency, John.
Taylor’s and Pearson’s ethnocentrism is completely mainstream within every other race except gentile whites. And it’s zealously promoted by Hollywood, Corporate America and the media. If you replaced “white” with “black bodies” you could turn half of the articles on AmRen into NYT op-eds.
If you want to be an Anti-Racist, fine. But you need to stand up against Black, Jewish, and Asian racism too—assuming you care about being honest.
rr is a fraud who must be banned if he refuses to explain why africans shouldn’t invade the mezzogiorno.
https://www.fbcoverlover.com/covers/jersey-shore-2-fb-Facebook-Profile-Timeline-Cover.jpg?i
There’s actually some evidence that certain public school models are better for the BW gap than others. But they’re in the types of districts that the do-gooders want nothing to do with.
Sailer wrote about it last July. Blacks do 2 grade levels better in conservative Frisco TX than they do in San Francisco, and the gap is only 1.4 yrs, versus nearly 5 in Berkeley. Disciplining students works!
https://www.takimag.com/article/san-francisco-vs-frisco/
I’m actually in frisco Texas at the moment and have made very many friends here that are black. They’re a lot smarter than their counterparts across America but still juvenile delinquents.
Where you think that video of me wu tanging was taken? In McKinney, Texas goddammit!
Someone should deport loaded.
No someone should put you in a mental asylum.
And throw away the key…
Puppy and RR should have a competition to see who believes in CNN the most.
It’s possible to not be a racist psychopath without being brainwashed by CNN
FALSE!
Imagine trying to explain nuance to dumb and dumber.
Also RR needs to stop calling himself a race realist and call himself race fantasist.
he needs to call himself BlackWoman.
it’s fucking Twilight Zone.
i mean it’s one thing to acknowledge like a vulcan or not acknowledge another human in the park.
it’s another to acknowledge the dog.
it’s YET another to…
i mean there’s some inhibiton saying anything to perfect strangers…
so…
they must feel OVERCOME…
it’s like pulling a fire alarm.
or calling 9-1-1.
this creature is ALARMINGLY handsome…
help me!
help me!
i’m drowning in your dog’s gorgeousness!
this reminds me how the only movie i’ve seen in a year or more is herzog’s doc about chatwin.
chatwin looked weird to me. his forehead was way to big.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomad%3A_In_the_Footsteps_of_Bruce_Chatwin
herzog mostly sucks, but like borg…
when he’s ON, he’s ON!
UNBEATABLE!
or that’s what my dad told me…
borg was a MOTHERFUCKER!
..way toO big….
you can see how borg had a pretty freaky SIMIAN body…
all torso.
chatwin looked weird to me. his forehead was way to big.
forehead shape is one of the best predictors of sexual orientation. I knew he was gay before I skimmed his bio.
maybe my dad was right and this is where the star trek writers got the name “the borg”.
the freaky thing is borg dominated wimbledon and the french open but never won on concrete.
why is this freaky?
because with all other great tennis players clay and grass are antipodes and concrete (the hard court) is in the middle…this in terms of speed of bounce.
that is, the usual pattern is a great player can win wimbledon, the us open, the australian open, but can’t win the french open or can win the french and the us and the australian but can’t win wimbledon.
because for reasons i don’t know, grass is faster than concrete.
Mugabe tries too hard to act and present himself as smart. He should lay low off the amphetamines. Just to preserve a natural and competent state of mind.
Mugabe is not only unintelligent but also evil and wicked and coming from a scripted mentality. Fuck Mugabe. Hope his life is a tragedy rather than the comedy he so desperately represents at this current state.
the difference between tragedy and comedy is nil at the extremes mein herr.
life is a game everyone loses. big time!
this “difference between…nil at the extremes theory” in politics is called “the horshoe theory”.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory
[redacted by pp, April 12, 2020]
I actually find the Berkeley sociology department more persuasive than rr even though both try to Express the same themes.
Off topic: Could you estimate the IQ of the medical medium (Anthony William)? I am surprised that he is very popular (and a genius in marketing) yet doesn’t engage scientifically at all. He reminds me of Luke Wilson in Idiocracy who claimed that he can talk to plants because the medical medium claims to talk to spirits. Maybe that is the only way to reach some people…
So do you believe in the supernatural, JRM?
Puppy sounds like a 12 year old sometimes. Buzz off??!! Lol.
Puppy is mentally retarded. How many times have I said that being racist is normal – its what the jews themselves do towards other middle easterners. Look at the treatment of arabs in Israel. Why dont you get that ‘racism’ is just a way for jews to limit white sovereignty?
I oppose racism against Palestinians just as much as I oppose racism against blacks. Just because something is normal or used hypocritically as a political weapon by a small minority of Jews (don’t lump them all together)doesn’t make it right.
Nixon was an HBDer & the last person you can accuse of being brainwashed by liberal elites, yet he felt helping blacks was the right thing to do.
Racism is morally wrong objectively, but you equate kindness with being a sucker, perhaps because as a kid you were traumatized by seeing your kindhearted mentally retarded father get taken advantage of
indeed! as my deleted (by fake italian) comment said…
UN-like “hispanic”, “arab” IS a “racialized linguistic group” for (((obvious reasons)))…
namely jewish israelis say…
“the palestinians can go to other arab countries. the jews can’t go anywhere except israel.”
the REALITY is…
1. because oil and mecca and medina and muhamed street cred, saudi is still the “mother of all” arab speaking countries, but…
2. there are black arabs and red haired freckled arabs…
3. no one except a retarded albanian could believe that “latinoamericano” is a racial category.
or that the palestinians are “just arabs”.
4. israel is a SUPREMELY racist state, so any jew who blathers on about “racism” should be IGNORED.
[redacted by pp, April 13, 2020]
In fairness, some Jews speak out against racism in both the U.S. & Israel.
There’s a lot of mental states that are “natural” to humans. Compassion to those outside your group is one of them. That’s why we’re part Neanderthal. You never been sad about your dog dying?
Philo is literally subhuman. He thinks feeling compassion for others is another societal result of “jewsdidit”.
I think that’s the funniest part about all of this. Dumb and Dumber ignore any individual worth among people because they have none themselves. That’s why ethnocentrism is so necessary for their world views. It’s how the derive any “real” self worth at all. But the truth is, they would have died back when we were hunter gatherers. That’s because mental illness like the kind that pervades their thoughts is a sign of genetic inferiority and thus less fitness.
i put “There’s a lot of mental states that are “natural” to humans. Compassion to those outside your group is one of them. That’s why we’re part Neanderthal. You never been sad about your dog dying?
Philo is literally subhuman. He thinks feeling compassion for others is another societal result of “jewsdidit”.
I think that’s the funniest part about all of this. Dumb and Dumber ignore any individual worth among people because they have none themselves. That’s why ethnocentrism is so necessary for their world views. It’s how the derive any “real” self worth at all. But the truth is, they would have died back when we were hunter gatherers. That’s because mental illness like the kind that pervades their thoughts is a sign of genetic inferiority and thus less fitness.” through the wu tang clan name genrator and it came up with…
From this day forward you will also be known as
MAGICIAN GOOSY
Are you Eastern European? I think that’d explain a lot about you.
Wu-Tang Name Generator
(Full name)
from this day forward
you will also be known as
Amazing Ninja
my name came out cool 🙂
thankfully i am 100% nw european, if CH counts. 75% british isles (english and irish in my case), like most old stock americans. some french, norman, basque. no german or italian or polish or greek or scandinavian.
Oh so there isn’t any cultural reason that you’re “left wing” and also support ethnostates (like Israel). You’re just that ass-backwards. Good to know.
so the history of the state of israel is EXACTLY…
1. MASS IMMIGRATION/INVASION
2. THE IMMIGRANTS EXPELLING THE INDIGENES (800,000+ IN THE NAKBA)
3. THE IMMIGRANTS DECLARING THEIR OWN STATE IN A TERRITORY CONQUERED…
BY INVASION!
In fairness, some might say we all did the same thing to the indigenous North Americans
Ayn Rand, for example, says otherwise.
That bitch was so pretentious she named her philosophy “objectivism”
^^^SELF PARODY^^^
i hope!
WOW! JUST WOW!
IT’S ALMOST AS IF RR IS FULL BLOWN AUTISTIC!
PEEPEE ONLY ALLOWS YOUR COMMENTS BECAUSE SEXUALLY ATTRACTED.
it occured to me that if peepee were a pakistani her anti-nazism is motivated by her hatred of indians rather than by CNN.
hindutva = nazism
maybe peepee needs a female nazi hero(ine)…
what about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savitri_Devi?
Hindutva is not the same as nazism. Hindutva does not believe in national socialism, nor does it believe that one race is superior to others, like nazism did.
i mean the theroux family according to wikipedia (or wherever…i wish there were more that wasn’t (((more))))…
large family. furniture salesman quebecois father + italian-american school teacher mother…
and “i have four brothers all of them over-achievers” quoth paul on Charlie Rose…
one of his brothers is jennifer anniston’s father-in-law.
another translated Cities of Salt from arabic…
the other 2 idk.
From “The Funding of Scientific Racism” by William Tucker. I wonder how PP can try to spin this:
“Anticipating that his Harvard Educational Review article would generate controversy, the week before its publication Jensen wrote to the segregationists, suggesting that they make a contribution to the letters section of the next issue. And to a larger mailing list he sent out “Dear Friend” form letters encouraging them to submit responses “that take my side” to the New York Times after its featured story on “Jensenism.””
^^^THE ONLY AUTISTIC ITALIAN^^^
therefore…NOT italian.
everything you represent.

Rushton: “These people call me bad names, try to stop my research, hold protests to get me to stop speaking and prevent me from teaching my students, all because of my race differences hypothesis. It’s just academic freedom, refute my arguments in the literature and let me do my research.”
Also Rushton:
“You defame my organization in your book [which he didn’t read since he went the letter before publication] so I’m writing to you, the publisher, to change the defamatory accusations of my organization in your book [which he did not read].”
“Even before reading my book—indeed, even before its publication—Rushton wrote to the executive editor at the University of Illinois Press and to the university president, with a copy to Pioneer’s attorney, claiming, on the basis of the description on the Press web page, that I had defamed Pioneer, and suggesting that the Press “withdraw or amend” its advertisement.’5 This apparent attempt to exert legal pressure on my publisher was both disappointing and ironic since Rushton has justifiably complained about attempts to suppress his own academic freedom.6 The fact that he has now chosen to engage in, rather than attempt to stifle, debate is to be commended.”
5 Letter from J. Philippe Rushton, President, The Pioneer Fund, to Judy McCulloh Executive Editor, University of Illinois Press and James J. Stukel, President, University of Illinois 5 (Aug. 1, 2002) (on file with author).
6 See Rushton, supra note 3, at 259 (extolling the Pioneer Fund for persisting in its research in the face of “ignorance, fear of knowledge, and suppression of academic freedom”).
A CLOSER LOOK AT THE PIONEER FUND: RESPONSE TO RUSHTON, Tucker 2002: 1146-47
How ironic.
being sexually attracted to autistic people is GROSS!
totally NOT a good reason to post their comments.
every time peepee posts rr i cringe.
RR, you’re a son of a bitch.
What is the problem that Jensen was racist or had Nazi friends?
Gould was an obese Jew and ugly, with gay and communist friends.
Please don’t use Jew as an insult. Thanks.
Probably the fact that Nazi’s are bad people.
I mean I have racist friends but I don’t say racist things with them and then pretend I’m not racist.
Damn dude you’re really triggered.
So is working with Nazis and segregationists a good thing? Oh yea, you’re the Spaniard that wants to kill leftists and admires Franco. So that’d be a yes to you. To normal people not radicalized by racist propaganda, that makes Jensen’s motives suspect—and rightly so.
Would you use the word “Jew” as an insult if you knew that Jensen, according to Jewish law, is Jewish? You’re. Wrpktreally triggered that Gould was an amazing writer and one who rightly called out pseudoscience. Gould got some things wrong in Mismeasure (even I say he got a lot wrong on IQ) but his book is still good despite the fact.
Shockley’s most ambitious and most expensive mailing effort was designed to market the work of Berkeley’s educational psychologist Arthur Jensen in an attempt to not only sway public opinion about racial differences but also to bring pressure on the NAS to adopt his agenda. Although Shockley himself had conducted no empirical studies on cognitive abilities, he was instrumental in persuading Jensen, an active researcher in the field, that blacks were genetically less intelligent then whites and recruiting him into the Pioneer circle.
Jensen, one of the only two scientists (along with van den Haag) to appear before the subcommittee, joined in the chorus calling for investigation of the bill’s “premise,” although he was too certain of the result: Desegregation would be harmful because of blacks’ genetic shortcomings. “The educational abilities and needs of the majority of white and Nefro children are sufficiently different,” he testified, implying that integrated schools would only harm both groups. Jensen was particularly concerned that in an integrated school many black children would not be placed in classes for the retarded where they belonged because they would be mistakenly “treat[ed] like the average white child.””
The Funding of Scientific Sexism, William Tucker
We know that Jensen first saw Shockley speaking about race and IQ in the late 60s which pushed him towards the “research” he did in his life. Jensen then radicalized Rushton to hereditarianism. I recall Rushton stating thay if he was asked the question on race and IQ back in the early 80s, he would say it’s a function of social learning, but after reading Jensen he changed his mind. This occurred in the period between 1980 (the publication of Rushton’s Alturism, Socialization and Society) and 1984 (the publication of his first r/K race paper). Shockley began harboring these views after a car accident in which he took a head injury. His colleagues said that after the accident he was never the same and then began harboring these views.
So it’s right to say that if Shockley would have passed away, then Jensen would have never seen him speak and he so would have never studied IQ which would lead to Rushton never getting into this research. So, we can say that the father of modern academic racism is Shockley, not Jensen.
“The Funding of Scientific Sexism, William Tucker”
Whoops
“The Funding of Scientific Racism”
Jensen would be happy to know (I bet…) that integrated schools were a net positive for blacks and had no negative effects for whites. Nazaryan and Johnson discuss this at length in Children of the Dream. Jensen was wrong on school integration and that was the whole reason that this was kicked off.
Using longitudinal studies dating back to the 60s, they show that children of all races who attended segregated schools had better life outcomes than those who did not.
RR don’t try this…you’re always semi triggered.
I used to think melo was the dumbest person here but rr is really pushing it.
“RR don’t try this…you’re always semi triggered.”
Nah.
“I used to think melo was the dumbest person here but rr is really pushing it..”
This is a compliment coming from you.
The main issue w/ school integration is how far you push it. If you turn a 100% white school into an 80-20 white black school its probably true that the black students benefit at no detriment to the white ones.
But when you bus white kids into the ghetto you create genuine safety concerns for white students—and their education suffers.
There simply aren’t enough whites in public schools to make busing a viable option in most cases.
(Post this one.)
Source for your claim? Or is it just your intuition (which is empirically useless)?
read what you wrote rr. apparently you think segregated and integrated mean the same thing.
Mostly personal experience. This is one of those issues where you can find scientific evidence to support pretty much any conclusion you want.
I don’t see why I should accept personal experience as evidence.
Nazaryan and Johnson had access to data in which siblings experienced the effects of segregation and those who didn’t and, unsurprisingly, those who attended schools that were well-funded and integrated fared better than those that didn’t. I will go in depth later tonight.
So apparently a NASCAR driver used the N-word on camera and everyones rushing to destroy his career. The Good Whites have to flaunt their moral superiority over the Bad Whites.
Political correctness is evil and sad. The driver was half asian btw.
The outrage over using the word [N word redacted by pp, april 14, 2020} is fake. Its virtue signaling by high empathy gentiles whites.
I think Philo wishes he was black so that he could finally say “nigger” without getting beat up.
You know what’s really dumb? Philo thinks RR is politically left.
because (((gay))) rr has gone from hereditist zealot to anti-hereditist zealot in 3 years.
NB rr,
zealotry is very anti-hegelian in almost all cases.
there’s no truce, between, or modus vivendi for hereditists and anti-heredititsts.
but there is an AUFHEBUNG…
there is always an AUFHEBUNG.
in some of his pictures i can see how women would get a boner…
i mean…a big forehead is a sine qua non of being sexy but a small face is tres UN-sexy.
an interesting phenomenon peepee hasn’t covered…
and no other blogger has either…
there’s a 4×2 matrix…
straight men, gays, straight women, dykes x men, women
the criterion is sexual attractiveness.
what you will see is no one agrees on sexiness…
with one exception…
mugabe is the sexiest man in the history of the world.
[redacted by pp. april 15, 2020. the income vs life satisfaction curve tops out at only slightly above the median household income. the biggest problem with being lower middle class is having to live and work with lower middle class people. on a purely material basis one’s health and life expectancy isn’t affected much if at all.
that’s because the type of people who pursue millions and billions of dollars are those who are never satisfied. They’re a self-selected group. Duh!
so it’s very easy.
rr had his own dojo and lots of people working for him (he claimed) and then he transitioned.
and his dojo and employees went away.
so because brainwashed retard he blamed transphobia instead of capitalism.
Dr. Martin Luther King Jr: ‘I fear I am integrating my people into a burning house’
Music is the great medium in life. My friends and I vibe. And they know I am a mature, above average human being.
I am not a psychopath because I look at people as objects. However, I look at it objectively so it’s of no real problem for anyone.
Caffeine do you think the unsaid exists? If not why?
And what about your stimulus check? Did you get it in the mail?
the mastermind of 9-11 is a literal sasquatch.

You believe the official story? Autism
Aesthetics is everything Mugabe.
LOADeD Yeah I think so, unless I’m missing something. The vast majority of super specific things (like the exact color shade of some tiny carpet stain no one knows about) goes unsaid.
Haven’t gotten a check yet
Brilliant example, Caffeine. MeLo and I once debated the existence of anything original in this Universe. I would say everything is unoriginal except for the concepts of good and evil.
If everything already exists then there should only exist objectivity. The subjectivity of things are inherent to creating new and original things.
To understand this is to understand true genius!
When did we have this convo?
You say that genius comment every comment you make. Do you have tourette’s?
You say Jews every third comment, how is this any different?
On another post, MeLo, quite awhile back honestly.
on another thread melo claimed that filipinos have larger penises by volume than negroes.
No. I claimed that MY penis was larger by volume than the average Negro. This is absolutely true according to all of you guys’ mothers. And they would know.
Get it right Mr. Wisheshewasitalian.
the police copied the who in the chorus.
bowie copied too.
99% of rock bands never did this.
peepee brings up the issue of the savages of north america (and thus of south africa and australia and etc.) as if it meant anything.
1. the injuns fought. white folks have a (((brain worm))) and thus aren’t fighting.
2. injuns are better off than they would have been.
3. north america had only 1 million people when a greaseball with syphilis landed in the bahamas. so best would’ve been to pay them forever and give them more land. now they get paid with casinos. but that’s not enough.
PP, I got 130 on figure weights. I was wondering what cognitive process that entails. Your job PP requires fast flawless precision to enter data (no mistakes). I am the same on block design (125). I made one mistake and had to start over but I would have gotten 130.
Just wondering what blocks and weights are good for, thanks.
Blocks measures spatial ability & figure weights & arithmetic measure quant. Your high score on all three tells me you’d make a good engineer.
Pumpkin, are you capable of converting raw scores to scaled scores, and give the resultant composite IQs? Specifically interested in the composite, not the scaled scores which would be compromising.
It depends on the test
WAIS-IV
yes.
“Scores” should be in scare quotes because psychometric tests don’t “measure *anything. Psychometrics is not a form of measurement. This is because there is no specification measurement of the object in question, no object of measurement and no measurement unit thus the goal of psychometrics is clear—mark certain individuals as having more value or worth than others.
Are questionnaires an instance of a measurement of preference? Can one assume that a scale is a property of that which is measured if the scale is a necessary consequence of the method of analysis? In virtue of what is any”thing” being measured with psychometric “tests”? Binet and Simon stated that their scales could measure “intelligence” but then—rightly—state that their scales were not a form of measurement. Scales are not measures! Just because one can create a test in which there are “scales” and there are different numbers based on the number of questions answered correctly does not mean that some”thing” is being measured. Berka’s analysis of physical measures definitively shows that “psychometrics” does not “measure” what they purport to “measure.” One can simply make a claim that X is being measured with Y—but just because a psychometricisn claims that X is being “measured” by his test in virtue of the numbers or whatnot that arise due to an individual taking a specific test does not mean that some”thing” is being measured. This is the folly of psychometrics and one reason why it is not scientific—it’s a basically a political ideology to sort people by value and worth.
https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2020/04/16/superiority-psychometrics-and-measurement/
You and I agree on a lot, but do you seriously not see the logical incoherence of that first paragraph?
Test items were scaled by difficulty and similarity.
What is most/least difficult and what is most similar and least similar.
The tests were taken on a sample of individuals.
Nobody got all items because all together they are too hard for one person.
Getting all items correct is the statistical test limit.
And statistically, we need more than one item because we need all scales.
We need to know the variety of problem-solving the brain can do.
Pumpkin knows more about this than I do.
Super high IQ can solve more variety of problems than nongeniuses.
The tests cannot find genius-level variety problem-solving items.
Their variety cannot be found without a natural comparison between genius variety.
We can find verity differences bellow the genius level.
The comparison is there in the norming of the test items.
With our technology of test construction, one can build differences into and out of the test. Learn about test construction, learn about the ideology of IQ testing. It’s that simple.
The claim stands—psychometrics is not a form of measurement. I would lcoe for either pumpkinhead or PP to try and rebut that claim.
You can only do that if the groups are very close. Be pretty hard to create a test that had any predictive, face or construct validity in which downs syndrome people scored higher than controls.
That refutes the measurement objection? I think you’re confused, pal.
You didn’t define the measurement objection in this comment, though you’ve done so somewhere in the archives
Melo, which duo of sentences in para (1) is self-contradictory?
PP, I did so in this thread in this comment.
https://pumpkinperson.com/2020/04/11/arthur-jensen-told-racists-to-buzz-off/comment-page-1/#comment-155538
Look:
Measurements have two components: (i) measuring instruments—scales arranged into transparent forms which are put before the people to be questioned which may use a grading system; and (ii) measurement proper—whether carried out by the person being questioned or the observer, it needs to be as ‘objective’ as possible. Further, measurements are a classification of objects.Extraphysical measures refer to man’s subjective states—emotions, feelings, attitudes, desires, etc and it does not refer to height, weight (the physical). There is also the object and the result of measurement. Thus, extraphysical measurement must be evaluated differently—in a subjective manner.
Scales producing a linear order are not measures.
Jensen and Eysenck like to falsely claim that if one believes that temperature is measured with thermometers then one must believe that intelligence is meausred with IQ.
Jensen (1970, Can We and Should We Study Race Difference?):
“To object to this procedure by arguing that the IQ cannot be regarded as being interchangeable with intelligence, or that intelligence cannot really be measured, or that IQ is not the same as intelligence, is to get bogged down in a semantic morass. It
is equivalent to arguing that a column of mercury in a glass tube cannot be regarded as synonymous with temperature, or that temperature cannot really be measured with a thermometer. If the measurements are reliable and reproducible, and the operations by which they are obtained can he objectively agreed upon, this is all that need be required for them to qualify as proper scientific data.”
Eysenck (1973, The Inequality of Man):
“… if the measurement of temperature is scientific (and who would doubt it is?) then so is that of intelligence.”
But this fails:
One of the best examples of a valid measure is temperature—and it has a long history (Chang, 2007). It is valid because there is a well-accepted theory of temperature, what is hot and what is cold. It is a physical property of measure which quantitatively expressed heat and cold. So thermometers were invented to quantify temperature, whereas thermometers were invented to quantify “intelligence.” Those, like Jensen, attempt to make the analogy between temperature and IQ, thermometers and IQ tests. Thermometers, with a high degree of reliability, measure temperature and so do, Jensen, claims, IQ tests.
So, IQ-ists claim, temperature is measured by thermometers, by definition, therefore intelligence is what IQ tests measure, by definition. But there is a problem with claims such as this. Temperature was verified independently of the measuring device originally used to measure it. Fixed points were first established, and then numerical thermometers could be constructed in which we then find a procedure to assign numbers to degrees of heat between and beyond the fixed points. The thermoscope was what was used for the establishment of fixed points, The thermoscope has no fixed points, so we do not have to circularly rely on the concept of fixed points for reference. And if it goes up and down, we can then rightly infer that the temperature of blood is not stable. But what validates the thermoscope? Human sensation. We can see that when we put our hand into water that is scalding hot, if we put the thermoscope in the same water and note that it rises rapidly. So the thermoscopes agreement with our basic sensations of ‘hot’ and ‘cold’ serve as reliability for the fact that thermoscopes reliably justify (in a non-circular way) that temperature is truly being measured. We are trusting the physical sensation we get from whichever surface we are touching, and from this, we can infer that thermoscopes do indeed validate thermometers making the concept of temperature validated in a non-circular manner and a true measure of hot and cold. (See Chang, 2007 for a full discussion on the measurement of temperature.)
When a nurse takes a child’s temperature, the child is measured object while the temperature is the object of measurement. All measures require that there are external indicators and they must be fixed in reference to them. So, mercury columns react differently depending on the temperature. Combined with what I quoted from myself above, this is how and why temperature is a valid measure—it is an actual physical quality.
The fact of the matter is: non-metric concepts (‘intelligence’) cannot be measured—the IQ-ist may say that the brain is the measured object and ‘general intelligence’ is the object of ‘measurement’—but the IQ-ist would then need to show that there is a PHYSICAL BASIS to this ‘general intelligence’, define it non-circularly, and then tango with the extraphysical measurement objection. So we have IQ tests, then the property is IQ—by definition, right? But, as stated weeks back, the IQ-ist must have a non-circular definition of the ‘general cognitive ability’ they set out to measure—the IQ-ist needs a source of this LATENT trait—the trait that is NON-MEASURABLE—this is why the IQ-ist uses ‘g proxies’—because latent traits are not directly observable and must be inferred.
The ‘best’ (used loosely) critique of Berka’s/Nash’s critique is in Nyborg’s edited volume “The Scientific Study of General Intelligence: Tribute to Arthur Jensen”. written by Brand, Constales, and Kane (2002). They state that (pg 514):
“All statements about the mean IQ and standard deviations of different populations can be rewritten in “quasi-quantified” terms which would be completely equivalent and entirely acceptable to Berka. Opponents of IQ cannot, therefore, truly claim to follow Berka in ‘dismissing IQ as quasi-quantification.'”
Haha! One cannot assume that a scale is a property of that which is measured by the scale if the scale in question is a necessary quality of the measure! THE main problem with psychometry is that the mind—or some function of the mind—is non-quantifiable. They assume that the property is gradable—but I don’t even need to name any non-measurable properties for you to understand why this fails. IQs are norm-referenced and so, they provide rank-ordered information on the basis of student’s abilities relative to others. So, this (built-in) ranking cannot claim to ‘measure’ cognitive ability—the object of these tests is to rank-order the value of individuals and groups.
There is NO property to be measured with ‘IQ’ tests; IQs are rankings and have no zero-point—thus, IQs are NOT measures. NO psycho-metrician has refuted this objection.
Thus, extraphysical measurement must be evaluated differently—in a subjective manner.
THE main problem with psychometry is that the mind—or some function of the mind—is non-quantifiable.
chess ability is measured by the elo system. (See John Holmes Chang, 2007 for a full discussion on the measurement of penis size, and how it is designed to denigrate china people.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elo_rating_system
i can predict the outcome of a match between two players using their elo ratings.
Melo,
I believe you’ll say that the human, or the brain, is the obect of measure. However, for psychometry to be a science the “object of measurement” must be distinguished between the measured object. Psychometricians fail to specify an object of measurement and they also fail in constructing a measurement unit.
There is a distinction between the measured obect itself and the obect of measurement. The object of measurement must be a definite property of the measured obect. Need i say more on why psychometry fails as a measure?
If IQ is what IQ tests measure then IQ cannot be a real property—unless what the construct is is what the construct measures. Is this the case?
“chess ability is measured by the elo system. (See John Holmes Chang, 2007 for a full discussion on the measurement of penis size, and how it is designed to denigrate china people.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elo_rating_system
i can predict the outcome of a match between two players using their elo ratings.”
Yes let’s construct a system and then see what they “measure” after. That’s the same problem the IQ-ists have—what is the object of measurement and the measured object?
You are obfuscating the problem. Here’s a simple question. If an IQ test has items that require basic arithmetic, is that test not measuring your ability to do basic arithmetic? And let’s say society values this ability and calls it “intelligence” (because meaning is subjective) then are the tests not measuring intelligence?
I am not a dualist. IQ measures something real, that is not a debate. I think you’re conflating what’s “real” with what is “objective”.
Right—psycho-metricians claim that SOMETHING is being “measured” with IQ and their tests. Elements in a set cannot be considered magnitudes so counting is not a measure. And I’m not conflating anything. For a materialist theory of IQ-ism to hold IQ must meet the basic requirements of measurement—but it doesn’t.
r/woooosh
Forget IQ, forget intelligence. If there are 20 items on a test that require basic arithmetic to solve and Joe gets 16 correct and Sally gets 12 correct, who is better at arithmetic ceteris paribus?
You are in fact conflating these concepts you think IQ must be like temperature, it’s an autistic attempt to hand wave the pragmatic use of scales for relative ability by implementing arbitrary conditions for what a “measurement” is.
No, no. Jensen and Eysenck make that claim about temperature—and the claim is refuted on the basis of the history of our concept of temperature and how it was validated independently of the thermometer.
The conditions are not “arbitrary.” The conditions that Berka has espoused are how “things” are measured. In psychometry, there must be a measured object and an object of measurement. That no psycho-metricians have responded to Berka is telling.
And scales aren’t measures—I’ll repeat this till the end of time.
What claim? I asked you a question.
It is arbitrary. What makes that the official way to measure things? If a test has items that require arithmetic ability how is it not measuring arithmetic ability? You’re clearly obfuscating the problem at hand just to be a contrarian.
What’s the object of measurement and the measured object and measuring unit?
The fact that there must be an object of measurement and a measured object for measurement is “arbitrary”?
Ah, I see the issue. You think there needs to be a concrete “thing” being measured.
In this scenario math ability is the object of measurement and the “object” being measured.
Yes it’s arbitrary. I guarantee you don’t have any justification for those “rules”
These tests measure the complexity of abstract problem-solving. The ability to manipulate complex datasets. All differentiated to test a variety of problems separate from each other in the way solved. Different problems mean different solutions need from the brain. What needs accounting for is making sure the number of subtests mark the capability of a brain’s range of capability.
rr has never even had an IQ test. So he has no idea what is involved in the test itself.
rr should be banned until he gets a haircut and a shave and answers why the kingdom of the two sicilies shouldn’t be invaded by somali pirates.
and smoking IS cool. just like drinking a liter of whiskey every day is cool.
or rather…
would be cool if it didn’t kill you. but it takes a long time.
my less than a year attempt at trying to become a smoker to impress a girl i know…
1. if you go full-on tar with Player’s…you can’t smoke more than two a day…it’s just too much. it’s like smoking a radish.

2. if you go Lucky maybe you can do 4.

smoking is such a CHORE.
better to use nicotine gum. i’ve never used it but lesbians like tucker carlson have said it’s great.
what white people do in china muslim people countries because similarity et al.
Is a stick the obect of measurement and the object being measured?
Sans a specified object of measurement, measurement unit and measured object, what else is there to say that something is measured?
Are clocks not measurements? Time is not a physical object.
Oh PP…
Just answer the question.
It’s an appeal to consequences.
so you admit the consequences of your argument are absurd
clocks measure speed but speed is not exactly time.
look into science-fiction to learn what time is
Spacetime by einstein means time stretches.
Stephen Hawking discovered imaginary time.
time is actually 3-dimensional not 1-d meaning dark energy and dark matter does not exist.
Space is empty and stretches, time is made of empty space stretching.
space is the stretching of emptiness meaning time is relative.
objects can be relative in time
objects can be forward or backward in time relative to you.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_of_time
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_in_physics
Please do some light Googling before you try to shift the burden of the argument I’m providing for me to defend a concept that is not even in question now—your appeal to consequences aside.
Now, answer my questions on the specified object of measurment, the measured object and the unit of measure for ‘IQ’ or admit that psychometry measures nothing and is just used as justification for the social order.
If you mean physical object, by definition there is none, because IQ is a MENTAL measure. The unit of measure is IQ (originally defined as mental age as a percentage of chronological age)
Yea but (1) it’s not defined as that anymore and (2) that’s the problem with psychometry—there is nothing to measure. And also (1), the veracity of “mental measures” is what is under contention—and they don’t hold up.
Also re appeal to consequences:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_consequences
All you’re doing is defining measurement in such a way as to exclude mental measures. The argument sounds circular.
All you need to do is name the specified object of measurement, it’s unit of measurement and the measured object in regard to psychometric tests.
But intelligence is not an object, it’s an abstraction, so by definition IQ tests are not measuring objects
Physical strength is not an object (muscles are, but strength isn’t) but it can still be measured by weight lifting and hand-grip pressure. IQ is similar. Both are not something that you can touch or see, but rather something that can be inferred from their effect on what we touch and see.
We name a magnitude, we refer to an empirical variable, and when we express the numbered quantity of magnitude we therefore refer to its quantitative determination. Strength is a magnitude, as is time. Magnitudes are functions with empirical arguments which can be expressed with a named number. Time, length, and strength are examples.
Keep dodging the problem for IQ, though.
So what’s the empirical argument that can be expressed with a named number for time?
Kepler’s celestial clockwork and Gallileo’s uniformly moving free-point particle show that the same “time” is being measured.
Keep dodging that IQ objection.
And the Stamford Binet & the WAIS show the same IQ is being measured
Question-begging.
No I’m just trying to understand your argument & you can’t explain it to me because you don’t understand it either, it’s just something that sounded good so you’re repeating it from somewhere
Asking whether or not IQ is a measure of anything is begging the question as if IQ is a measure of anything at all. I’ve explained it in depth further upthread.
You can’t explain what you don’t understand.
https://pumpkinperson.com/2020/04/11/arthur-jensen-told-racists-to-buzz-off/comment-page-1/#comment-155741
interesting comment.
As I mentioned, I think it’s possible to make intelligence tests with true zero points.
As for the physical basis of intelligence, we’re getting there. We have evidence that the brain size IQ correlation is causal, and there are other neurological correlates too.
silly pumpkin
intelligence can’t be measured
Trix are for kids
(rr is playing games of logic again)
(I have gotten the same games from others on the impossibility of a.i. because “Logic”)
rr might have even been the one who said mental things and computers do not line up. Computers cannot think because logic is all computers can do.
The simple answer is that the brain organizes itself to survive.
Thinking is a self-reflection on causality to solve problems.
Many ways to self organize.
Many ways to solve problems.
Many ways to measure problem-solving ability.
IQ tests are like gravitational lensing of the brain. We can see into the processes in the brain because we can see what is being manipulated on the outside.
outside mental manipulation is measurable, right pp?
I would have gotten 135 on figure weights but became too fatigued an asked to stop.
Fatigue was a factor in asking to stop resulting in a score of 130.
If I had done them first it would have been a higher score.
I believe the order of subtests plays a factor in scores (brain energy).
From what I’ve read, figure weights and matrix reasoning account for fluid intelligence. Seems that yours is pretty high. If so, you have a high learning capacity. Since you’re still in your mid 20s I’d take advantage of that the best way possible.
billy are you comfortable with me sharing your wais-iv scores with the group?
Yeah, I’m alright with that.
Including the subtests scores (I know you felt that was compromising but I don’t see how)
I might have been overthinking it. It’s fine if you show all of it. I guess that’s more important anyways than just the composites.
And just for a bit of context: how black are you & why were you tested? Are you from an upper or lower class background? Any mental illness?
If these questions are too personal you don’t need to answer but when writing a brief case study wechsler liked to include basic background details & so I sometimes do the same
Like I said, it’s unofficial, so I was tested out of convenience; not from a professional. Though my personal reason outside of knowing my IQ is knowing where I’m deficient – or my cognitive profile. Based on my Mensa scores, a wonderlic at 75th percentile while a passing RAIT score just doesn’t hint at a stable profile for me. I seem to have a hard time concentrating on tasks, so I figured it’s probably a working memory and or processing speed issue. I’ve never been tested for a mental illness.
I’ve never taken a DNA test so I can only tell you what I know from my maternal side. My grandmother is light-skin. Her grandparents were said to be light-skin with straight hair. I, however, am pretty black. My father’s side seems to be consistently black as well. I do have an immigrant background from a predominantly black country; so relatively speaking, my family was upper-mid class.
Were you born in the U.S. and is English your first language? I only ask because some of the subtests are culturally biased obviously.
I was not born in the U.S. and English is not my first language. I learned English when I was about 8, which is about the time I moved to America.
Good to know. The article will be up within a day or two.
i have seen how comments will be deleted not because they are false or irrelevant, but because they are true and relevant.
marion claimed that opposition to early christianity was like this. whether it was or not, idk, but marion is the only person i’ve heard speak of this very general phenomenon.
that is the truth is opposed not because the oppose-r believes it to be false or believes it to be anything in particular except…
the truth is opposed BECAUSE it is the truth.
Well duh. There’s nothing more helpful to real conspirators than widely spread exaggerated conspiracies that discredit legit enquiry. That’s what makes autistic pizza gaters like pill such useful idiots
Lol what an idiot
I remember after 9-11 and the patriot act we saw manoeuvres from the establishment towards a police state. The technology is there to surveil everybody and the NSA has a limitless budget to get the right computing power. This state within a state is probably still there intercepting political opponents messages and accessing their computers no matter who the president is. When people talk about the deep state I take it to mean the people that use the NSA for these kinds of purposes or control the money printing press.
Well therein lies the power of true a.i.
Why waste time in storage when you need answers from such data.
Map where the data came from. Understand where everything is and asses it.
Links and nodes / capabilities / threat levels
It is more than political advantages over opponents.
Yes, big computers can do big calculations on x.
But it is finding all relationships that matter.
Understand a person you know what they are going to do.
That’s the reason for monitoring.
Find out what makes them tick and exploit it.
Likely the a.i. is a better IQ evaluator than an IQ test. (Wais 4)
there’s something actuarial called “extreme value theory”.
don’t remember enough but there seems to be a general phenomenon…
ranking people by whatever criterion where the very high end has a GAP.
that is, there’s a fairly continuous progression and then the very best is a GAP better.
why?
like secretariat and morrison and coppola/kubrick and bolt and donahue.
the GAP may be filled in later. but no one cares. so is it just promotion?
to prove my sexiness: i post this about an hour after a full bottle of rum and lime AIDS.
Pill you clearly have aspergers. You have such a strong paranoid fixation on things that your mind is always clouded.
Try getting clouted not clouded.
A bit off topic but I’m curious to see what you lot think of Sars-Cov 2? Been following it a fair bit for some time now and being the number cruncher that I am I’ve concluded that this particular virus will turn out to be not far off from seasonal flu in terms of it’s IFR(Infection Fatality Rate). My range puts it somewhere within 0.05% and 0.3% with a strong convergence at 0.125%(Current Iceland Data). For reference seasonal flu is at about 0.1%. The incubation period might be it’s trump card as it seems to be about 5.2 days(vs 2-3 days for flu) based on preliminary reports and so this might increase it’s transmissibility(more contagious), though I am a little skeptical about that too as that figure is largely dependent on Chinese data and if we’ve learned anything in the last couple of months it’s that we should take anything from the Chinese with a huge grain of salt.
When all said and done provided the incubation period ends up being more aligned with the flu virus and if we get a vaccine and successful treatment/medication there is a very strong chance it may even be more comparable to swine flu(0.03% IFR). In other words much less than seasonal flu. This may turn out to be quite the fiasco and in the long run possibly one of the most catastrophic decisions on a global scale since WWII. As one of the few voices of reason remaining, Dr John Ioannidis of Stanford puts it,
“It’s like an elephant being attacked by a house cat. Frustrated and trying to avoid the cat, the elephant accidentally jumps off a cliff and dies.”
I seriously hope there’s still time to prevent it but seeing that based on current trends of governmental decisions, at best, life as we know it won’t reach anything resembling normal before July, the damage on the world economy would simply be irreversible by then(within a reasonable time frame that is). In all likelihood many more lives will be lost to suicide, poverty, depression malnutrition, and not to mention the immeasurable suffering a 30%+ reduction in GDP will bring about(lost lives is not the only damage as one also needs to factor in suffering). For reference after Greece’s financial woes from the crash of 08′ it was calculated that there was an excess of 15,000 deaths per year. This would translate to about an extra half a million people dying per year in the US, or in other words a more than 10 fold greater mortality than COVID 19(which is btw quite suspect anyway due to the way in which deaths are counted).
Long story short this debacle will take some time to unravel and for people to realize how the stupid leaders they elected decided to save their asses politically by making the optimal game theoretical play for themselves at the expense of what is best for their people. Shutting your entire economy down is one of the worst things you can do to a country and it’s people and is ill advised but for the gravest of reasons. Something on par with seasonal influenza or even slightly worse than that hardly qualifies. I have been a strong critic of current policies around the world for more than a month now but of course in the politically correct(thou shall not criticize China), pathologically risk averse(correlation with the snowflake generation and a rise of women in power?) and insidious interests at play(big pharma, MSM ratings grab, Trump bad, and big money hustling for bargain prices?) any voice that runs counter to the official narrative gets quickly drowned out.
Just to clarify, I am not against taking some measures but I think those measures should be well thought out with a thorough and holistic cost/benefit analysis(ultimately lives for lives and not lives for the economy as some like to think). I am a big proponent of targeted quarantine(ie smart quarantine not unlike what Sweden is doing). Old and vulnerable groups quarantined and protected fiercely, kids at school and business as usual for most except for a ban on large gatherings(no more than 50 people lets say) with masks and some distancing not a bad idea either. In my view one of the biggest mistakes made by Italy and New York was that they allowed their hospitals to be flooded with people thinking they had the coronavirus. Some did a lot didn’t but ended up getting the virus there. As such we got tragic situations of certain regions having some ridiculous death counts a lot of which ended up being doctors and nurses too. This was poorly handled by a lot of big cities, panic being a major contributor no doubt(not to mention what panic does to the individuals with the virus in such circumstances, some probably died of fear and stress).
For those doubting my reasoning, I have ample data to back it all up and would be quite happy to flesh it all out.
You should write a book on this topic.
I’m sure people far more qualified than myself will beat me to it. The scientific community has more or less settled on this issue(the death rate that is) the rest is just politics.
I don’t know how you can even estimate unless you test a random sample of people for the virus. For example in Canada’s capital there were only 24 confirmed cases as of March 23 (the city closed on March 16), but “modeling data” showed there may have already been 4000 undetected cases in the city. If that’s true the ratio of undetected to confirmed was 167 to one. Applying that ratio to the 726,645 confirmed cases in the U.S. today, it implies there are over 121 million Americans with undiagnosed coronavirus. That sounds ridiculously high so either Ottawa’s modeling data was wildly wrong, or it can’t be generalized beyond that time and place.
In the U.S., the ratio of confirmed coronavirus cases to confirmed coronavirus deaths seems to be 19 to 1 but it varies a lot from country to country.
Well first we need to understand that there are basically 3 categories of people when it comes to CV infections.
1. Those with symptoms
2. Those that are asymptomatic
3. Those that had the virus and now have antibodies
If you want to calculate the death rate you need a pretty accurate measure of all 3. Most people in the Media and surprisingly enough the head of WHO make the erroneous assumption that all you have to do us divide the deaths by the number of confirmed cases. I kid you not WHO came out with a statement about a month ago that the death rate was 3.4%, using this incredibly flawed assumption. Utterly preposterous!
One could be forgiven for assuming that those with symptoms are basically all the confirmed cases since if a case is to be confirmed one needs to show symptoms before they are tested unless they are part of some tracing effort(which actually accounts for a tiny tiny percentage of those tested). However it is not as simple as that, a lot of people with symptoms probably won’t make the effort to get tested probably because their symptoms are too mild or they are scared to take the test(don’t want to be stigmatized) or they can’t be assed. In any case the best way to work out death rates short of conducting massive studies is by using opportune case studies like the Diamond Princess(see here: https://judithcurry.com/2020/03/25/covid-19-updated-data-implies-that-uk-modelling-hugely-overestimates-the-expected-death-rates-from-infection/) or Iceland which about a month ago was the only country that did random sampling(see here: https://www.covid.is/data). Both of which mind you point to an IFR of about 0.125%.
Another interesting study was conducted in NYC which found that among pregnant women tested about 2% had the virus with symptoms and around 14% had the virus with no symptoms meaning that the ratio of asymptomatic to symptomatic is around 7 to 1. This means that about 16% of New Yorkers at this very moment have the virus. This also does not take into account those that HAD the virus which in a German study found that the ratio of those with the virus to those with antibodies(implying that they had the virus) was 7 to 1. So even if we were conservative and assumed that the ratio in New York is far less than 7 to 1 and is closer to 2.5 to 1. This means that in a hot spot like NYC of 8.4 million, over 50% have or had the virus. This would give us an IFR of around 0.25%. However once we factor in poor death count methodology(In Italy only 12% died because of CV and 88% simply died with it, and similarly in the UK 86% died because of it and 14% with it) minority susceptibility to the virus, bad hospital management, and overall catastrophic levels of panic, one could safely assume that at most 70% of those deaths are indicative of normal conditions and attributable to CV, which brings our death rate to 0.2%. This is just a little exercise of how to eek out preliminary results from limited information.
Of course the best method would be to conduct proper random serological and virological large scale sampling. Scientists at Stanford did just that and surprise surprise they found a 0.1% to 0.2% death rate with a strong convergence at 0.125%. As more of these studies are coming in it is all but confirmed that the death rate of CV is comparable to that of the seasonal flu. Now the question remains is it more contagious and if so how much more, enough such that current measures world wide are warranted? Hmmm if you ask me no, not at all, our current predicament was a result of the perfect storm of faulty Chinese data colliding with a snowflake society, an MSM gasping for air, and a corrupt WHO(Bill Gates may also be at least a contributing factor to that cabal).
Yes people are dying, but nowhere near the numbers that die from the flu each year. Mind you that is in some part due to the measures taken thus far but remember the death count itself is significantly inflated due to reasons I can fully flesh out in another post. Had we not had this perfect storm and not known about this virus at all it is quite possible that at most we would have noted that we had had a particularly strong flu season this year(Up to 650k people die world wide each year from the flu and 80k in the US).
Note that the death rate from the flu for some mysterious reason plummeted from a 22k by March to inexplicable lows in April. Could it be that flu deaths were counted as CV deaths? As crazy as it sounds that could very well be what was going on. Dr Birx herself noted on live TV that the instruction was to count deaths with CV along with deaths because of CV on the final tally. Not only that, doctors were given permission to assume someone had died from CV if their symptoms point in that direction even if they hadn’t been tested for the virus. Which means that it is perfectly feasible that flu deaths were counted as CV deaths given that their symptoms are very similar.
So as you can see this whole debacle is highly suspect, if nothing else simply for the fact that the death rate is now being revealed to be at seasonal flu levels.
“If that’s true the ratio of undetected to confirmed was 167 to one. Applying that ratio to the 726,645 confirmed cases in the U.S. today, it implies there are over 121 million Americans with undiagnosed coronavirus. That sounds ridiculously high so either Ottawa’s modeling data was wildly wrong, or it can’t be generalized beyond that time and place.”
Well it would be foolish to try to make accurate inferences about the total number of cases in the US from such data but ballpark figures are I guess somewhat acceptable for localized situations(I would stay away from extrapolations). What this information is in fact useful for is working out the actual death rate(which is probably very similar world wide across similiar cohorts in terms of general health) which i would argue is probably the single most important figure that needs to be ascertained before anything else. Which is why I am utterly baffled it took them so long to getting around to doing it.
I would guess that at the moment around 10% of the US has or has had CV. Of course that figure varies from region to region with NYC probably in excess of 50%.
Lets be real here. Loaded and Melo might want to pretend to be black but if they were given the choice between living in Detroit or Wyoming, they would pick the latter every day of the week. Pretending to be black is easy in a white majority.
I’m not even gonna lie I feel safer around black peoples than I do whites people.
White people are unpredictable, hypocritical, etc…to the point of having you as a friend one day and throwing you out on the street the next. Black people are loyal and don’t necessarily engage in the same political discourse whites do.
That’s just my experiences though. Whites are fucking toxic and evil to me despite some of my best friends being white. Like I said, they’ll behave a certain way with you today and turn their backs on you tomorrow.
Join blm
Lol, Wyoming sucks. I’d rather live in a white neighborhood but that’s not because it’s white.
Remember Philo, NUANCE.
Try not to be so gullible in the future okay?
The person who believes russia gave us trump is telling me to stop being gullible lol idiot.
The person who believes Jewish people run the world and push an anti-white agenda is telling me to stop being gullible lol idiot.
“Philo” is an antonym of “nuance”.
Loaded: Damn white people oppressin my ass! The let me go to their schools, take their healthcare and science and even gave me money because I’m brown. I want reparations. Waaaaaaa.
I’ve contributed more to the welfare of white society than vice versa, you childish dumbass. I’ve contributed more to society than what is deserved from me, what is expected of me, and certainly what is reciprocated from me.
What I’m trying to say is life has been unfairly cruel to me and I’ve seen more people profit off me than I’ll ever profit from others collectively.
I doubt you’ve contributed anything to society besides terrible comments.
here’s a brahmin md + phd in econ explaining that mugabe was right about everything?
did the hong kong flu and asian flu increase mortality as much as it has been increased in europe? or is the increase due to the shut down and not covid? or are the figures as fake as [redacted by pp, april 19, 2020]
http://www.euromomo.eu/
Swank probably just got bored of you, as all high IQ people do.
Here’s Ioannidis warning that the full lockdown was a grave overreaction given that it appears that this is merely a seasonal influenza level virus.
and here he is reporting the results of the study which Bhattacharya and others at Stanford were involved in:
the problem with this theory is that all cause mortality has increased a lot according to euro momo. so if the bat flu isn’t deadlier it must be more infectious or the mortality for regular flu is much lower than the so often quoted 0.1% figure.
or…
as i mentioned above…
the shut down is killing people and not the virus.
but the hong kong flu of 1967-68 killed “only” 100,000 americans sans lockdowns.
so i’m thinking brahmin and greek guy are autistic…
they don’t realize that the same measurement of the “common flu” would yield a 0.01% ifr and that the 0.1% ifr so often referred to is a cfr.
ifr = you got the bug and you die
cfr = you got the bug and go to an ER and die
“like 50x difference it can be”, quoth baby yoda.
as a 7/8ths tamil dalit and 1/8th andaman pygmy i resent butthooch’s racism.
Well there’s a couple of theories floating about with regard to this but first we need to get a couple of things straight. Firstly if CV turns out to be about the same as seasonal flu in terms of it’s IFR then that is perhaps a good thing in that it is somewhat manageable but it is also still kind of bad too. The flu is still quite deadly so imagine having an extra flu-like virus making the rounds killing just as many people. Obviously that is a serious thing that rightly requires mitigation. Mine and other far more qualified people’s argument is that we must be careful not to overreact as that may in the long run make things markedly worse.
Now the transmissibility or R_0 appears to be on the high side but that is not verified with reliable data yet. Time will tell but even so there are a couple of ideas that still advise against a full lockdown even if this virus is highly contagious. For one a full protracted lockdown is catastrophic for the economy, people’s livelihood and ultimately their health. Even if tomorrow they decide to end the lockdown(very unlikely but lets entertain the thought) the damage to the economy is already done. We would probably have to wait till 2021 to get the economy back to where it was. This invariably will also come at the cost of lives. Some people refuse to see the link but it’s there, the economy is invariably linked to mortality.
Another issue that seems to have occurred as a result of the current predicament is the fact that mortality is up not only due to CV but also because other ailments have taken a distant second tier in terms of priority. As a result people aren’t tended to either because hospitals are full or because people are afraid to go to hospitals as they are to put it bluntly infested with CV. In the UK it looks like the death rate is up significantly from this time last year not only from CV but in almost equal numbers from everything else(the excess that is).
Another interesting point is that it is highly likely that a lot of flu patients are misdiagnosed with CV while it is my suspicion that there might be a significant overlap of CV and flu. That is it may well be that some the healthier younger individuals that inexplicably die from CV might also be infected with the flu and so getting a double dose of troublesome viruses. Another idea is that every year it appears that we lose a certain vulnerable segment of the population to the flu. As CV is now competing with the flu for the same people the overall number of people that die doesn’t necessarily double because we have two equally deadly viruses around but only marginally increases as these vulnerable people are finite, only so many of them can die within a short period of time(typically mid December to mid April).
Anyway these are some thoughts that point to this being a lot more complicated than some people think. The bottom line is that it is looking more and more likely that this is very much a flu-like virus(possibly with slightly higher contagion), nothing to lose our shit over but at the same time something we should be able to handle with some clever targeted measures, something we have yet to see but for a handful of nations.
Keep in mind that so far only 170k people have died world wide from this and by the time it ends its run this summer at best it will have killed some 250k(the flu kills up to 650k). In the Fall it may kill a few more tens of thousands but note that the flu season doesn’t kick in properly until December so for the year 2020 no more than 300k will have died from CV and this before we even start addressing some serious issues with death count methodologies(it’s almost a certainty that a huge chunk of the deaths in the US and elsewhere are due to the flu or something else NOT CV, perhaps as much as 30% in some places).
The way I see it the optimal scenario would be to achieve herd immunity as quickly as possible with the fewest number of deaths. A full lockdown invariably removes speed from the equation so that can’t be the answer while on the other hand no change at all and business as usual might leave an uncomfortably high death toll. So by necessity the answer lies somewhere in the middle and perhaps with good data, good science, and surgical precision we can achieve that optimal play, assuming the fear mongers stupid politicians and other vested interests clear the way for some of the saner voices. Which makes me incredibly curious as to what kind of models these so called experts are using, do their models factor in the fact that most(99% in fact) people get zero to mild symptoms and will likely get immunity very quickly(within a week or two). Lets track the propagation of death against the propagation of immunity within the population. My sense is that we will get a large spike in deaths but almost as quickly a sharp decline as the virus races through the remaining population(which is greater in number than the vulnerable by a factor of 1000) to that all critical 60-70% that is required for herd immunity. Perhaps like a band aid, it’s best to just rip it off quickly instead of protracting the agony and suffering in innumerable and immeasurable ways.
“they don’t realize that the same measurement of the “common flu” would yield a 0.01% ifr and that the 0.1% ifr so often referred to is a cfr.”
In epidemiology when we are talking about population wide statistics it is far more useful to talk about IFR than CFR. The CFR is the ratio of those that died among those that were sick enough to report to a hospital or clinic. By this metric the actual CFR of influenza in the US according to the cdc (https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2017-2018.htm) is around 0.3%. We could infer the IFR from the same data given that with influenza anything from 10%(in some studies) to 85%(in other studies) of those infected with influenza are asymptomatic. Lets take the average around 50%(most commonly cited figure) and so the IFR turns out to be around 0.07% from the 2017-2018 season. Of course you will note that all these are estimates(with a large confidence interval) while the often toutet <0.1% CFR for influenza is in fact the generally accepted figure of around 0.1% IFR or less. Many people conflate the two even Wikipedia. So to reiterate the 0.1% figure for the flu is the IFR NOT the CFR. 0.1% or slightly more is for the more severe influenza seasons while the milder seasons are invariably <0.1% but no less than 0.07%.
So as Prof. Ioannides pointed out, CV IFR roughly points to a typical severe influenza season. It may in fact turn out to be less but regardless anything between 0.1 – 0.2% is a concern but not a crisis.
pumpkinhead, a video you might enjoy:
Yes that pretty much confirms what I and many far more qualified experts than myself have suspected for a while now. Problem is the guy in the video makes an erroneous assumption half way through. He seems to think that the 3% prevalence could be applied throughout the US which is of course absurd. What one can do here is work out the death rate or a range of death rates and then use that range(say 0.1-0.2%) to work out the prevalence of the virus in other areas of the country based on the number of deaths there. Of course it should be noted that this too is somewhat erroneous since SES, lifestyle and possibly genetics(all of which as we know aren’t evenly spread throughout the country) to some degree also effects the death rate. Still good to see people are beginning to wake up to the idea that this might not be the end of the world after all before they inadvertently bring about the end of the world by lockdowns and a complete economic collapse.
During the quarantine I’ve been listening to old TDS episodes. It’s just as good as anything else on the radio.
pumpkin, have you done factor analyses using broad national indicators such as teenage fertility, obesity, PISA scores, imprisonment, infant mortality etc.? Or might you have citations for such research? I have run the R code and there does seem to be a g factor, though the result is somewhat paradoxical (specifically, the national PISA score which is known to highly correlate with national IQ (~.85) has lower factor loadings than those of the other indicators. This does not seem reasonable.)
I find this an exciting and powerful psychometric application of Spearman’s indifference of the indicator. A diverse range of indicators when standardized and summed by each should correlate somewhat strongly with national IQ. My results verify this result.
mugabe is right again!
the front month for wti goes to $0!
as mugabe predicted on lion’s blog.
he can’t find the link immediately but will try again.
june CL expires on wednesday. as of now the price is NEGATIVE $25.
awesome.
obama is so fucking dumb.
Billy, you only scored a 75th percentile on the Wonderlic? I myself tested at an equivalent of a 132 on an online version, 36 questions right out of 50. Same as the great QB Aaron Rodgers.
Loaded it’s great that you scored so high on that one test, but 75 percentile is a good score. 10 IQ points above the U.S. mean & average for a university grad
I know I’m not saying he did poorly, only pointing out the anomaly that he’s done way better on other tests (if my memory serves) and that the disparity between his best and worst scores on different tests are that high.
Also, Billy is probably not the only one who has had to experience this. I’m sure many bloggers and readers of your blog can attest to this.
Also, Billy has claimed his verbal is 125+ (if memory serves again) so it’s strange to see that on one test he would do so well and on others he would perform merely at an average or near average capacity.
Yes. I qualified for Mensa due to my crystallized intelligence.
The wonderlic relies too much on apprehension of material knowledge, and it takes me a good moment to have everything realized in my mind; even reading for me, I’m slow at it. My mind was scrambling the whole time. And I’ve taken those online wonderlics too and scored as high as 42/50. That’s likely because it was multiple choice. Mensa wonderlic is not entirely multiple choice; there is a non-multiple choice online wonderlic, too, which I scored the same as I did on the Mensa wonderlic.
I finally tried petals around the rose. Gave up after 20 tries and looked up the answer. I never would have figured it out.
I always knew I was bottom of the barrel in terms of executive function, but wow. Still, better this than being an obnoxious striver asshole.
Surely your intelligence is not hinged on your ability to find the solution to this one problem and anyone that assumes that about you or anyone else for that matter is perhaps even more obnoxious than those striver assholes you mentioned. Little hint, high IQ people NEVER give up and they don’t allow little failures to get to them at all. High IQ IMHO has as much to do with attitude and having a positive mindset as it does with the hardware you were born with. You could say it’s what fuels the mind and in that sense you want the best fuel you can get your hands on, if you’re using low grade cheap fuel then even a ferrari will eventually misfire and break down.
Pardon my preachy response but I’ve run into enough misconceptions and false interpretations on intelligence that it really bothers me that people allow these ideas to seed their minds with enough self doubt and mental blocks that pretty much ensures they never get anywhere close to their full potential.
PS: A proper IQ test takes at least a couple of hours and involves a series of many different types of questions in order to test the full spectrum of cognitive ability. Also the solution has more to do with lateral thinking than it does with executive function.
I really appreciate your response. Thanks.
Be honest with your readers puppy. Some people have been conditioned by the jews to welcome homosexuality even.
Nixon was extremely paranoid about Jews & raised before they had much influence, yet even he agreed with me that helping blacks is the right thing to do. This proves anti-racism is objectively moral & not just something we’re conditioned to embrace.
Apology accepted
I agree that anti-racism is objectively moral but being anti-racist is one thing and helping blacks is another. One cannot assume that if someone isn’t actively helping black people that this makes them a racist. Unfortunately in today’s world this is the false dichotomy the left is operating on, which leads to all sorts of logical fallacies and absurd syllogisms along the lines of, fewer black oscar winners=> racism, fewer blacks in academia or politics=>racism, lower black SAT scores=>racism, coronavirus kills more blacks per capita=> racism….ad infinitum. So in this world the only way to not be a racist is if you bend and twist and contort yourself to the whims of so called racial justice forever in service of the pursuit of this utopian equality but in practice charging the haves for the deficiencies of the have nots. In my mind this verges on extortion and I say this as a 20+ year supporter of the Democrats and a center left individual though as of late I have dissociated myself from the ideologically corrupt left. In a world that more often than not only leaves us with a choice of the lesser of two evils, I recently often find myself siding with the center right.
In my ideal world discussions about race should simply be left to academia and strictly discouraged within the public. Every effort should be made to fight off racism and yes we should be helping black people and Asians and Hispanics and every person that needs and deserves our help regardless of race but we have to be careful not to take things too far otherwise we risk making extortion a privilege.
[Intro]
Mhmm God, save me (I’m Melvin, haha)
Mhmm, save me, mind of Melvin (Hahahaha, never)
Muhahahaha (Mind of)
He said he’d take control of me
The devil got a hold of me
The demons are inside of me (Mind of)
It’s clear that you don’t ride for me (Alright) (Mega, you played that boy)
It’s clear that you don’t ride for me (Yeah, yeah)
They told me, do ungodly things (Yeah, yeah)
I killed your seed, I’m sorry please (Yeah, yeah)
I killed your son, I’m sorry please (Fuck them niggas, yeah)
[Refrain]
Melvin, oh
Mind of Melvin, oh, welcome to the mind of a maniac
Mind of Melvin, oh, welcome to the mind of a maniac
Mind of Melvin, welcome to the mind of a maniac
Welcome to the mind of a maniac (Yeah, yeah, welcome baby)
Welcome to the mind of a maniac (Alright, this shit the mind of a maniac)
Welcome to the mind of a maniac (Let’s go)
Uh, uh welcome to the mind of a maniac (This is only the beginning, tuh boy)
[Verse 1]
Bitch, I am Melvin, and I am a killer (A killer)
Don’t play with the crew, if you do I’mma kill ya (I’ll kill ya)
I load up the carbon, and bust at them niggas (Them niggas)
Who the fuck is that, that boy look familiar
I keep a 50, I keep a 20
I keep a 17 shot Glock (No cap)
Yeah, I be ridin’ ’round with 3 Glocks
Just for myself, lil’ boy only got 2 (Slatt)
Glock on the shelf, Glock in the dresser
MAC in the key, MAC in the pipe
Shoot that lil’ pussy, these niggas be active
Load up the carbon, I load up the ratchet
These niggas talkin’, gon’ be makin’ niggas active
I know that you ain’t kill them boys
I know who, I know who
[Pre-Chorus]
And if she told me that we would be forever (Forever, yeah)
Thought that we would always be together
But I know, that it is the night time (Ooh)
The demons always come out at the night time (Alright)
[Chorus]
God, can you please send me the right sign (Yeah, yeah)
My soul is on fire when I go (To sleep, yeah)
Sleep, I don’t even fuckin’ recognize (Alright)
Who I am, where I lie
On the side of the mirror
I’m like “Who are you, are you steppin’, steppin’?” (Who are you?)
He said “Hell yeah, I’m Melvin, Melvin” (Mind of Melvin)
I ran into this dude in my dreams (Alright, alright, alright)
And he said everything is not what it seems (Not what it seems)
He told me that his name was Melvin, Melvin (Name was Melvin)
I told him that my name was Melly, Melly (I’m Melly)
He looked at me and told me bro-o, ooh-ooh
I really like your album, I am you-ou
He said that he would take control of me
The devil got a hold of me
The demons are inside of me
And it’d kill, if you don’t ride for me
And I killed your son, mama please
Give me your apologizes
I can’t give you my apologizes
Cause’ I hadn’t did ungodly things
[Pre-Chorus]
She told me that we would be forever (Forever, yeah)
Thought that we would always be together
But I know, that it is the night time
The demons always come out at the night time (Yeah, yeah)
[Chorus]
God, can you please send me the right sign (Yeah, yeah)
My soul is on fire when I go (When I go to sleep)
Sleep, I don’t even fuckin’ recognize (Recognize)
Who I am, where I lie
On the side of the mirror
I’m like, “Who are you, are you steppin’, steppin’?”
He said “Hell yeah, I’m Melvin, Melvin”
I ran into this dude in my dreams (My dreams)
And he said everything is not what it seems
He told me that his name was Melvin, Melvin
I told him that my name was Melly, Melly
He looked at me and told me bro-o, ooh-ooh
I really like your album, I am you-ou
He said that he would take control of me
[Outro]
The devil got a hold of me
The demons are inside of me
And it’d kill, if you don’t lie for me
In future I’m not posting random stuff like this that has nothing to do with anything.
It has to do with the thoughts inside my mind, Pumpkin. Clearly a reasonable reason to post such content when there’s far worse egregious behavior out there!
This is the work of a true artist, a Pumpkin. Recognize the realness now or forever suffer the consequences.