pumpkinperson rating: 7/10
Tales of the City is a provocative series about a group of gays in San Francisco, one of whom is a genetic superior.
The genetic superior is lesbian but her girlfriend transitioned into a man, causing great confusion in the relationship.
Although the genetic superior wants to be open-minded, woke and supportive of her girlfriend becoming a man, deep down she wishes he was still a she, and so the two break up.
Sensing an opportunity, an older very wealthy bisexual woman gets naked in the Jacuzzi, hoping the genetic superior will take an interest.
She does:
Later that day, the older woman gets a knock on the door of her mansion. When she opens, it’s the genetic superior who grabs her and passionately kisses her.
Aside from the genetic superior, the show has little racial diversity, aside from a somewhat black gay guy who looks like a young Obama.
The black guy is dating an older white man who takes him to dinner with his older white friends. This turns out to be a huge mistake when the black guy tries to lecture his elders that the term “tranny” is politically incorrect.
An older gay is furious that the young black would dare lecture them about political correctness, because they were the generation that fought for the very gay rights he now enjoys, the generation that saw half their friends die of AIDs, so how dare this young kid sit on his politically correct high-horse and try to police their vocabulary.
Humiliated by the backlash, the black storms out of the house and feels betrayed than his older boyfriend did not defend him.
Pumpkin Person 
PP, is it possible the mongoloids evolved later than caucasoids because the amh travelled far. East Asia was the farthest at that time from other regions and it took longer for amh to reach there. And after reaching there they could have evolved into mongoloids.
“somewhat black gay guy who looks like a young Obama.
Hahaha!
Pumpkin’s rap name is Tom Macdonald.
Wow. Just wow.
Citi celebrating world refugee day today.. These people are sick. Of course if anyone asks me in the office i will say my home is open to all kinds of refugee and wild animal.
And i thought the pride stuff was degenerate
I’ve never gotten into a TV series because the acting is always really lousy. Even in major shows like Thrones, Walking Dead, etc.
With Amazon Prime and torrents, movies are just as accessible.
“genetic superior” lmao
You know mate, I kind of wanted to say the same thing, lol. RR, if you don’t mind, could you give a synopsis of your viewpoints in this comment?
This is a Netflix series. I dont think youre supposed to take the concept of genetic superior too seriously/technically.
Is it about a “genetic superior” though?
PP plz answer
Still, it’s a laughable concept.
The whole [redacted by pp, June 25, 2019]system is mindless. Its like an badly distorted piece of music pitching and rewinding at random moments. So citi lobby the politicians (or in some famous cases tell the politicians) to essentially be mean to the public at large tru deregulation, bailouts and breaking unions…then they pretend to be nice people by endorsibg the weirdest and most eccentric groups in society then they ask the average taxpyer for money to do the whole thing but then they give all their employees a day off to do charity and that makes everythibg better. Hahah. Its like a crazy robot is running the whole charade.
Hayek was right. the robot should be allowed kill itself. If its that dumb why not? Why keep this thing alive to perptrate the same cycle of contradictory actions and desires again and again. I mean the people who lose most are the actual shareholders. The only people that gain are some of the salespeople in the front office a few execs who are mindlessly overworked. Im not even sure they want the money by tge time to get home (and check tgeir work emails).
The entire system is mindless pain inflicted everyone by autists who think the robot is rational.
In this sense in relation to financial institutions robert is right that the emergent ‘order’ is kafkaesque. Its random stupidity from order that fails on its own terms.
yes. once you let autists into the club there’s the danger some of them will get real power.
“libertarianism” and the “chicago school of economics” are just non-pejorative ways of saying “autism”.
autism explains the censorship of fb, yt, twitter.
nothing else does.
people with high IQs or high scores on some subtests who are nonetheless genuinely retarded.
iirc fb employs 30,000 censors. wtf?
that’s real money.
So a question arises as to whether that is all planned and i would say yes it is. There are people in cobtrol of society like david rockefeller was when he was alive that know how much pain the system brings to all the parties listed above. They are well aware of the history of financial crashes and are prepared to do it again and again. They knew exactly what would happen once glass stegall was repealed. In fact my old friend robert rubin was the architect of the 1999 financial reform.
Where is he know?
Head of the cfr, the most powerful office in the west.
The systen does benefit a few, not shareholders, but insiders immensely.
This is somethi g people dont grasp – it doesnt actually benefit the financial firms at all in many ways in the long run. Think of financial firms as shell entities meant to harvest wealth and desposed of with depreciation from ‘wear and tear’ of harvesting. There people not even directly connected the harvester legally that use and benefit from it.
wikipedia says rubin is a former board member.
but pill think stoo much of the powerful.
he still hasn’t grokked that…(in anal-lingus-autism speak)
1. the set of de facto conspiracies includes the set of de jure conspiracies…and is much much larger.
2. going after de jure conspiracies isn’t going to do much to improve society/to improve life for most people…you have to go after the much larger set of de facto conspiracies.
but because so much stupidity pill is right that the bail outs of the crisis didn’t help shareholders. but QE was just free money for the rich.
The architects of the sytem put dummies like tyler cowen or friedman or whatever on tv or the academic journals and promote them simply as a means to getting the system they need. In some cases some of the academics are actually in on it like larry summers and know what the deal is. In some cases though with people like cowen they are not in on it and merely useful idiots.
so what you have is a slave economy where master controls slave just by talking.
Hahahahaha the woman next to me in tge train is watching the same show as puppy. She looks like a slob.
DISGUSTING!
part of Tales of the City was dramatized and broadcast on public tv in 1993. it’s interesting as an example of UN-Cynicism prior to AIDS and tech bros making sf unaffordable. a dance on a sinking ship.
some of the stars were: olympia dukakis, laura linney, thomas gibson,…
her cranium only looks more capacious. like a bulldog looks like it has a larger cc than an irish setter.
and mongolians have the biggest noggins but mongolia is a shit hole country.
speaking of which…
saw a doc on the world memory championship and there was a mongolian woman who was really good but all world championships have been won by white male gentiles so far…except two won by a chinaman.
alex mullen is a nord and md from mississippi.
“autist” = “IYI”
pill uses “autist”.
taleb uses “IYI”.
they mean the same thing mostly.
taleb on IYIs: https://medium.com/incerto/the-intellectual-yet-idiot-13211e2d0577
i’m not a scholar of marx but the yuge issue with marx is…
if it’s impossible to win a war without generals, how can the generals and their men not be at odds with one another?
that is, if hierarchy is necessary to economic efficiency, how can the cardinals and the laity have exactly the same interests?
how is it possible to have a maximally efficient organization which is also democratic (in the broad-est sense)?
this is something richard wolff hasn’t addressed…except to say that the BASQUE company mondrigan is very successful.
that might be enough.
but the mondrigan entrepreneur was a priest.
can an economy of mondrigans exist outside a sincerely roman catholic country?
can it exist outside of basque-country?
size can be only apparent or misleading…
the proposition “rome always wins” means…
PRAGMATISM IS DUH CHROOF.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nTRunosX8w
Pumpkin, what’s your opinion on Trump? Also, for the Information subtest, on the WISC I got a 13 (14 if adding the bilingual bonus), and on the WAIS IV and III I got a 15 (16 if adding bilingual bonus), what is my real score? I noticed that WISC has a more science base, and WAIS has more history on it.
Please answer this question oh lord pumpkin! Ok, in all seriousness, are these types of questions getting frustrating for you?
Pumpkin, please answer this question.
Pumpkin, please answer this question.
The blackish guy is the only person here that doesn’t look disgusting or weird.
All black people look the same to me. I sometimes cant even tell a female black from a male.
Familiarity plays a big role here. In fact Africans are the most variable in skull shape and soft tissue, so they are the most varied in face. Maybe all your interactions are limited to very small tribes/reproductive groups. Most likely you are biased.
The gender thing is becuase of large jaws, large noses and a disorienting variance in cheek and eyeshape.
When people walk down the street, the young black male serves as a menace, a threat. This is not the same in the opposite gender. I wonder why.
there was no lesbianism in the 1993 version and no trans shit, but there was a chinese grocery delivery boy who fucked some rich woman.
i liked the 1993 Tales of the City so much i checked out the sequels from my library, but they were horrible…just gay shit from top to bottom…
from top to bottom…
armistead maupin was a southern fag and he didn’t catch aids. because exclusive top i assume.
but at least fags prove that straight women are perverts.
sorry…
i meant…of course…
…aren’t perverts…
it’s a yuge problem for high IQ heteros…how can she (or he) be attracted to ME? even if i’m the best of my kind?
low IQ people don’t ax this question.
the answer is…
women are fags.
men are dykes.
less objectively great but still great tv shows include Miami Vice and House MD.
another one is Thirty Something.
all three of those are shows i’d watch in the middle of the night if i couldn’t sleep.
so that’s my un-conventional/personal list.
Watch the TV series the gifted man. I liked it better than house MD. Maybe if I watched house from the beginning I would have liked it more. But I only watched the last few seasons of it and I liked it less than the gifted man series.
If you have Roku or CBS online you can watch the entirety of the Miami Vice series. Im just finishing the first season.
notice that the Miami Vice title combines art deco with pink and lime, the preppie pastels.
at the time i suppose michael mann still felt inferior to thurston howell iii.
southern florida is a shithole country except for palm beach and environs.
maybe one or two of the keys.
limbaugh broadcasts from palm beach. mar-a-lago is in palm beach, and trumps have been excluded from palm beach society. too nouveau.
are they worried about climate change?
if climate change were real no one would live there.
so you know it’s fake.
Naples on the Southwest coast is also EXTREMELY wealthy. Boca Grande, where i go pretty regularly for work-related stuff, has a lot of OLD money. Think Duponts, Bushes, Fords.
The black wealth distribution is all messed up. It’s a crazy phenomenon, education and hard work does not pay off, just ask G-man.
HAHAHAHA gman eill the first person here to admit he won the loterrry being a balck guy with an iq over 100. Many times gman has said he wouldnt have even gotten a rejection letter if it wasnt for this. If gman bothered to work out and lose weight he be promoted to director and told to stand in front of clients for ‘diversity’.
All my life i see evidence again and again that being black is the lottey. No other ethnic minority comes close. As steve sailer said being east or south asian might even be worse than being white. The only ethnic minority with as much cachet as nlacks is being ashkenazi jewish.
I should’ve been a billionaire by now. What happened. I need some reparations.
I didnt work hard at all though now that i think about it. And yes, being a smart black person is not that bad in America.
thirtysomething appears at 78 on Rolling Stone‘s list and at 19 on TV Guide‘s right above St Elsewhere another show i’ve quoted from here.
the supreme leader of iran agrees with me that House, MD and Miami Vice were better shows.
btw, “iran” is a cognomen of “aryan”.
mongolians have a nazi party. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsagaan_Khas
nazis loved animals and loved the environment and were HBDers and “pro-palestinian”…
why does peepee not like nazis?
by “cognomen” i meant “cognate”…
or did i?
brush your teeth!
Google should remove such sort of videos from youtube. There shouldn’t be a platform where videos like that can be hosted.
because hitler is satan?
because of all the horrible people…
a homeless orphan would-be artist is the single most evil person ever?
the anti-nazi shtick is RELIGIOUS.
unlike the pro-pope shtick…
as jean-luc marion has said…
to be a papist is to be the ultimate atheist.
Most persons hates Nazis because they were bad people.
morality is subjective though. what the nazis did was right in their eyes.
Right, but in my eyes(and the vast majority of people) it is not. So fuck them. My view on morality is not a fact, but that doesn’t mean I have no right to fight for my view. If some rapist was trying to attack my baby sister I would kill them. Morality is man made. It’s made up. That doesn’t mean I can’t have morality.
the local boy love palace (benedictine monastery) is selling its beer at a $120 a plate dinner in northwest tomorrow.
beer girl will be there.
can i bring my dog?
1. all the polls say gabbard won.
2. but online polls can be “trolled”, and she is the favorite of the alt-right. but…
the polls are confirmed by google. she was the most searched name during the debate. drudge didn’t make this up. it’s on google’s site.
3. lion’s carefully curated collection of buttgoys agree that gabbard was the only non-ridiculous candidate last night.
conclusion: gabbard really did win, but she may have won only because people who will vote for trump watched.
but jimmy dore and sexy abby martin agree bernie or gabbard. warren sounds good but you know she’s a psychopath because lying about her injun-ness.
Chomsky has manipulated the low IQ Abby Martin into parroting his nonsense on Israel
Abby Martin is a good example of someone who is low in both IQ & psychopathy
specifically, various social pathologies can be blamed on drugs rather than blamed on [redacted by pp, June 27, 2019]rich psychopaths.
thus a drug war that never ends because winning isn’t the point of it.
AIDS has a morbid fascination precisely because it really was an example of divine punishment in almost all cases.
a uniquely horrible disease following from uniquely UN-Cynical behavior.
Pumpkin, if bilingual average is 9(SD 3), and monolingual is SD 2), if you get a score of 15 normed on a monolingual Test as a bilingual, would you have to add a point?
I kindly request you to answer this question.
Please answer my question pumpkin.
so now the capitalists have moved on from trans shit to reparations.
it’s like a monty python sketch.
sailer posted on “gay reparations”.
CLASS IS NEVER MENTIONED.
IF BLACK PEOPLE WERE RICH-ER THAN WHITE PEOPLE, THEY WOULDN’T AX FOR REPUHACHUNS.
PSYCHOPATHS CONTROLLING MORONS…
SAD!
MR SLAVE FORCING MELO INTO HIS BOWELS.
CLOWN WORLD.
Its not melos fault cnn is so seductive. Jeff zucker used thr right images and phrases and poor simple melo was fooled. But it can happen to anyone! Melo might be an idiot but at least hes trying his best to improve himself by going to blogs like this to interact with people who didnt have a piano fall on their head.
Why do you act this way Philo?
You and I are so much alike.
it’s like when a girl REALLY hates a boy…
you know she loves him.
the (((promotion))) of the idea that hitler and the nazis are uniquely evil…an irruption of hell never seen before or since…
hitler had basically no teeth. so he had bad breath. so says david irving.
irving kristol (and his son bill) says hitler was satan himself.
says basically…
hitler = ozzie.
mongolian men are fags, effeminate.
but mongolian men are basically the manliest men on the planet.
the tree vs the tree.
the tree of life vs the tree of death.
the tree of life vs the cross.
the idea that…
the resolution (aufhebung) of The War to End All Wars and the NSDAP</B? is…
neoliberalism and judocracy…
forever…
is…
RIDICULOUS…
IT IS PART OF THE MEANING OF “AUFHEBUNG” THAT NOTHING IS…
FORGOTTEN OR POINTLESS…
NEVER FORGET…
THE SOMME…
VERDUN…
YPRES/PASSCHENDAELE…
everyone who has ever died has died so that…
oprah can rule the world.
so many LIES (((promoted))) about gayness that heteros believe them.
LIE 1. a fag (or dyke) is a man (or woman) who can tell the difference between a good-looking man (or woman) and an ugly man (or woman)…
that gayness is just about taste/aesthetics.
LIE 2. euphemisms…using “gay” to mean all manner of disgusting perverted behavior.
TRULY SAD!
FROM A PURELY PHYSICAL POV WHITE MEN AREN’T ALWAYS SEXIER THAN BLACK MEN…BUT THE IDEAL..
WHITE MAN IS THE SEX OBJECT OF WOMEN OF ALL RACES.
MY LAPTOP IS OVERHEATED…
I HAVE TO PUT IT IN THE FREEZER.
Trump is not a moron cotrolled by psychopaths.
Before trump nafta and the tpp were establishment.. The border was ignored and marco rubio and el jeb were open borders.
Trump has drastically changed the public conversation.
Trump is soing all the cuck stuff like tax cuts and healthcare even though he is on the record for nationalised healthcare and higher taxes on the rich. Hes doing it [redacted by pp, June 28, 2019] get some backinf to beat back the (((deep state))) russia nobsense.
His greatest achievement os consistently having people underestimate hos genius.
that could be, but ahab is right…
trump simply is NOT a revolutionary.
there are lots of things he could do but hasn’t because he has a lot to lose and because he was born rich.
Right now there is a schism over trump in the elites. Before trump there was pretty much a consensus. Voting for hilary or jeb was not much dofferent. Trump made it possible to talk about populism and bypass the lapdog media entirely. The media has lost the control of the conversation (except with low iq morons like melo).
That there is even a schism is thank to trump. The ‘consensus’ of neoconservativism invite the qorld invade tge world before trump was unberable. I was delighted with trumps comments on iran saying he couldnt pull the trigger on 150 people. Previous presidents never even asked their generals about casualties. Abd obama who i lile was a very bad culprit on extra judicial murder from the sky even though he was the most anti (((high iq khazar minority))) in recent memory.
Still waiting.
Before trump 99% of people thoughr like melo.
After trump closer to 85% now still think like melo.
But the raw number os not the key. The qualitative dofference is that extra 14% are people that actually have influence or are quite smart and will soon form a bloc politically.
The end of khazaria is coming.
^ this comment showcases his lack of social intelligence
but there are more people who’ve taken the red pill on the khazar question, and trump is part of the reason even though he’s not explicitly anti-khazar.
that is, the intersection of trump and the alt-right is not the null set even though it doesn’t include anti-khazar-ism.
pill is just repeating what i said a few days ago.
bannon’s firing was when the alt-right gave up on trump. (but bannon claims he wasn’t fired.) trump’s speech on nationalism vs globalism was fantastic.
so it’s plausible that trump was the real deal until the khazars in his staff brainwashed him.
i mean the guy let his daughter marry jared from subway. so you know he’s not orthodox on the KQ.
eric striker believes trump is being blackmailed.
ahab explains trump post campaign as “trump simply isn’t a revolutionary.”
idk, but the idea that trump’s whole campaign was fake in order to hoodwink poor white trash one more time (the chomsky theory) i find im-plausible.
He’s an extremely rich philosemite. How revolutionary can he be?
Overall im very optimistic abput the way the world os going. The internet has unlocked the potential of free speeh. Before the internet i had similar opinions to melo. I had no idea of the extent of ((special minorities))) within the system and their control of the natrative of history.
By ‘original thinker’, i was original only within the bounds put there by robwrt rubin.
Im not the only one.
This will all lead to a brighter future. You cant fool all the people all the time anymore. The rise of bernie and trump is a great sign of progress in the west.
The previous arc was going to give us hilary and jeb forever. and ever.
It’s funny because before the internet I had similar opinions to you.
If there is anything good that has come from Trump’s presidency is that people are realizing more and more how necessary it is to combat his extremism with a more wholesome one aka socialism. Fuck centrists.
So before the internet you had informed views. Then you got more brain washed after you got the net. That doesn’t make sense. It usually goes the opposite way. You should ring your internet company and ask them to fix your internet.
No. I was uninformed before. Had a very “black and white” reasoning ability. Was super into conspiracies because I would hang around my conservative uncles. I didn’t realize until I had access to the internet how ridiculous it was. Educated myself in philosophy and quickly found out how stupid the reasoning was. Just a bunch of feel good bullshit with absolutely no justification besides emotional fear mongering.
i found this video of melo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lXje6HnLB0
meLo what are some arguments against conspiracies in general? Or were you just convinced your specific conspiracies weren’t true?
Well first off when I discovered the internet I got into more liberal conspiracies(they just make more sense) I found one conspiracy that actually was cohesive and was able to explain all other conspiracies. They proponent was a proffessor of philosophy which is what got me into philosophy to begin with but after I started studying that I realized his conspiracy was bullshit too. They tend to not be falsifiable. Any evidence used against them can be handwaved. Hence why Mugabe and philo can only respond with ad hominems. They’re not self aware enough or intelligent enough to realize this. Schizos are just as socially deficient as autists.
I think many aspects of social understanding is unfalsifiable. Improvement can only be reached through Darwinian/selective means. A theory of mind only built on readible information would be easily exploitative and thus unwarranted. There are many gaps of knowledge where one has to make informed guesses. Much of deduction is done subconsciously. But maybe I’m wrong here.
No you’re right, and that’s the issue. These dipshits think the world should bend to their opinions.
Hahahaha that video is great. He even has melos accent.
I don’t have an accent you ass clown. Try harder.
Everyone has an accent.
Well it’s definitely not that.
that’s progress. there is no “forever and ever” for any politics. and in general what comes after is an improvement.
what really happened was that after the USSR dissolved the capitalists overplayed their hand.
In the past 1000 years it would have been common to have been stuck in the social milieus of the melos of this world. With the interbet i can communicate with people like sailer or heartiste or whoever directly and also see the opposing viewpoints. We live in interesting times.
^This comment showcases his lack of historical knowledge
Dem debate sounded good. I’ve only read the newspaper reports. Unsurprisingly the guardian bashed bernie for not talking about idpol enough and only talking about economics.
The guardian journalist probably didnt even pass high school math. Because if he did hed realise minorities and gays issues are at best relevant to about 35% of the population, many of whom don’t vote either or don’t speak english or are illegal.
this how you know bernie is real and castro and booker are either retarded or psychopaths.
bernie actually said something like, “i don’t give a shit about idpol you fucktards, what i care about is why no one’s gotten a raise in 50 years.”
Puppy has a blog about IQ and 90% of the articles are guessing peoples IQ or talking about things that correlate but aren’t actually a persons IQ. Anyone find this funny?
it’s obvious yet american politicians and msm aren’t allowed to know it…(master won’t allow them)…
perverts are NOT poor, so pervert rights is a fraud. 100%!
“pervert rights” really means…
“we hate ourselves, so we want y’all to tell us we’re ok”
really means…
“let’s distract from economic issues, opiate overdoses, falling life expectancy, etc.”
even in the case of the palestinians…
they want sovereignty. but if the gaza strip were like monaco there’d be no intifada.
despite affirmative action castro and booker had to be a little smart or no HLS or YLS.
therefore castro and booker are psychopaths.
“psychopath” is like “autist” in that it is a very low score in a subtest which isn’t included in IQ tests.
the autist is a social moron, like peepee and oprah fans.
the psychopath is a moral moron, [redacted by pp, June 28, 2019]
This comment is socially moronic.
Psychopaths are NOT moral morons because psychopathy is an emotional condition not a cognitive condition
The psychopath knows the difference between right & wrong, he just doesn’t care
By contrast the autist often cares about right and wrong, he just doesn’t know
Capiche?
[redacted by pp, June 29, 2019]
to know right from wrong and not care is NOT to know right from wrong.
[redacted by pp, June 29, 2019]
They know what makes others feel guilt & compassion but they can’t feel it themselves.
Calling them moral morons is a category mistake because it’s an emotional condition not a cognitive one. There is such a thing as moral intelligence but it’s not what psychopaths lack. Psychopaths lack moral motivation but some are moral geniuses as measured by the kohlberg scale.
Capiche?
I never realised vox was such a big Christian. Its a bit odd because usually libertarian types are atheist and too autistic to believe in god (or indeed in other human beings hahahaha).
Do you believe in the devil, pil?
no
The fact Jimmy Carter just called Trumpy illegitimate because russia won him the presidency makes me think very badly of Jimmy Carters intellectual capacity and/or his ability to not be a puppet for certain (((interests))). I used to like Carter before he made these comments today.
Carter’s in his 90s you moron and he’s the least puppet-like of any living president.
Pill you’re too dumb to comment on my blog.
yes. the better explanation is that carter is senile
[redacted by pp, June 29, 2019]
so nfl, mlb, and nhl require helmets. who’s the biggest?
khazar-gle comes up with the name “bruce bochy”.
when china people are tall they do have bigger heads, but they usually aren’t tall…AND…80+% of chinese are southern chinese.
and japs don’t have big heads.
so even if cold winters resulted in bigger brains for reasons other than allen’s rule… only TALL koreans and TALL northern chinese… < 10% of china people.
my anecdotal experience in school was the kids who scored highest on the tests didn’t always have big heads, but the kids who had big heads were always funny.
IQ tests don’t test social intelligence, moral intelligence, sense of humor…not directly…not approximately…
tests with low g-loading are excluded from IQ tests.
The WISC-R tested social IQ & humour to some degree
Southern Chinese may not qualify as momgoloid if race is defined by skull type. Mongoloid skills are only about 10 k old
Most east Asians are a mixture of northern and southern Chinese. A minority are truly southern chinese. Northern Chinese can also be participated into Mongols/manchus and non-mongols/manchus.
I meant to say “most Chinese are a mixture of northern and southern Chinese.”
so if you were an honest flushtonist you’d put all your money in korea.
sometimes I feel if Korea was United it would have been an even bigger economy than Japan
so basque is the famous “linguistic isolate” of europe.
it’s interesting that japanese, korean, and mongolian are all linguistic isolates.
each one is totally UN-related to any other language.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_isolate
Japanese is part of the Japonic Language group, and Mongolian is part of the Mongolia group of languages. I suspect they were originally considered isolates, because the “dialects” weren’t thought of as completely separate languages.