(special tanks to commenter Mikey Blayze for suggesting this article)
Aleister Crowley (1875-1947) was a British occultist, writer and mountaineer. Calling himself “the Beast 666”, he founded the religion Thelema, which may have paved the way for New Age, Wicca, Discordianism, Chaos Magick and Satanism.
Arguably the most influential religious leader of the last century, he’s been credited with inspiring a 1960s counterculture characterized by “hippies, social justice warriors, free love, rock music and copious amounts of psychedelic drugs, particularly cannabis and LSD” and is cited as an influence by such counterculture figures as Timothy Leary, Led Zeppelin, Rolling Stones, The Doors, David Bowie, the Beatles and sexual revolutionary Alfred Kinsey.
Dubbed the wickedest man in the world by the British press, Crowley practiced “every form of sexual deviancy known to man”, in addition to “eating feces, cannibalism and promoting human and animal sacrifice” according to blogger Matt Frohlich.
Crowley also had a very sadistic side. According to historian Gary Lachman, when on a mountain climbing trip, Crowley would whip the South Asian servants to remind them the white man was in charge. When his fellow climbers got tired of this sadistic racism and decided to dump him, Crowley warned that they could never survive the trip down without him, and then sat in his tent drinking tea, as he listened to them die.
Lachman describes an “autistic exactitude” and literalism that caused Crowley to debunk the saying “a cat has nine lives” by killing a cat nine times.
So what was his IQ?
I typically try to estimate people’s IQs from their most salient biological or demographic traits, and then see if there’s any psychometric data to confirm or debunk the statistical prediction. The most salient bio-demographics for Crowley were his incredible influence (as commenter Gypsy advised me), his elite education, and his sexual deviance.
Bio-demographic prediction
Influence is hard to measure, but in 2002, the British public worshiped Crowley enough to elect him one of the 100 greatest Britons of all time. He was the 73rd most worshiped Brit of all time and the 42nd most worshiped of the 20th century (at least at the time the poll was taken).
To understand how impressive that is, consider that about 11.5 billion people lived in the 20th century. Assuming about one in 114 of them were Brits (that’s the current ratio), then nearly 101 million Brits lived during the 20th century, so ranking 42nd is a one in 2.4 million level achievement!
If there were a perfect correlation between IQ and popular influence, we’d expect Crowley to have an IQ 74 points above the British mean of 100 (the one in 2.4 million level) but the correlation between IQ and worldly power is kind of like the correlation between height and physical power. There’s a noticeable connection between the two, but lots of huge noticeable exceptions as well. With a correlation coefficient of only about 0.4, instead of having an IQ 74 points above 100, we’d expect Crowley to have an IQ 0.4(74) points above 100. In other words an IQ of 130.
However this is likely an underestimate because Crowley was not just spectacularly powerful (in terms of popular impact on society) but highly educated. Even when you compare him to other 20th century Brits that ranked among the most worshiped Brits of all time, Crowley’s Cambridge credential puts him behind only 3% of these super elites [Alan Turing (who graduated from both Cambridge and Princeton), Stephen Hawking (who graduated from both Cambridge and Oxford)] and comfortably ahead of the 84% who have neither an Oxbridge nor Ivy League background.
Thus even when compared to the most worshiped Brits of the 20th century, the greatest of the great, Crowley’s in the 91st percentile academically.
If there were a perfect correlation between IQ and academic credentials, we’d expect Crowley to be 20 IQ points smarter than the average IQ 130 super influential person, since in typical samples, the 91st percentile is 20 IQ points above the mean and assuming elites have similar variability, that should be the case for them too. However the correlation between IQ and education is far from perfect, though until recent decades, it was a potent 0.7, just like the correlation between height and basketball ability.
But because super elites are slightly restricted sample in terms of both IQ and education, the correlation would be slightly less; around 0.64.
So instead of being 20 IQ points smarter than the average most worshiped 20th century Brits, Crowley would be 0.64(20) points smarter, and since the most influential Brits of the 20th century likely average about IQ 130, that would put his expected IQ at incredible 143!
On the other hand, Crowley was a sexual deviant, and these tend to have IQs about 10 points lower than their non-deviant counterparts, so we might expect Crowley’s IQ to be 133 instead of 143. Whatever biological damage messed up the sexual part of his brain, likely hurt the cognitive parts of his brain as well, making him somewhat dumber than other equally educated 20th century icons.
Psychometric data
I often estimate IQs from drawings, since this is a readily available way people have demonstrated cognition for tens of thousands of years, and drawing a person is one of the oldest and simplest psychometric tests. Commentary gypsy informed me that Crowley left behind such drawings and so I found one here:
I would give this about a 9 out of 12 on the “Quality scale” of the Goodenough-Harris Draw-a-Person test, which is about 1.35 standard deviations above the sex-combined norms of 15-year-olds (roughly on adult level); equating to an IQ of 120.
But since the above norms are from circa 1962 and Crowley’s drawing is from circa 1921, and the Flynn effect increased scores on this test by 0.26 IQ points per year (at least in Brazil), Crowley’s score likely would have equated to an IQ 131 if measured by the norms of his era. It’s also possible that Crowley’s drawings were deliberately primitive for stylistic reasons.
Of course Draw-a-Person is one of the least accurate IQ tests ever made, so we should supplement it with another measure of ability, this time preferably a verbal one to add variety. Although Crowley never took a verbal IQ test that I’m aware of, he did leave behind his writings.
According to historian Gary Leachman, Crowley’s poetry was “derivative”. From this we might guess he had only average verbal IQ for a writer, but since writers average superior IQs of 120, we might tentatively assign him a verbal score of 120.
So if writing samples gives an IQ of 120, and a drawing sample gives an IQ of 131, it’s tempting to average these to an IQ of 126 (top 5%). However it’s much more rare to average in the top 5% on multiple tests than it is to score in the top 5% on any one test. On the WISC-R IQ test for example, people who average in the top 5% on all subtests, score above the top 1% (IQ 137) on the composite score. Thus I tentatively assign Crowley an IQ of 137. This is 4 points higher than the 133 I predicted from bio-demographic data above, but both suggest an IQ in the mid 130s.
Such an IQ is above the average at even the most prestigious universities in the World, and may help explain why a young Crowley beat the President of the Cambridge chess club at chess.
Pumpkin Person 
Beautiful time to show this to my Thelema club members. Ty.
You also calculated Jesus to have an IQ in the mid 130’s. It highly likely this is the IQ range of most prophets.
Puppy is a scientist
When is macho man coming?
Pumpkin, how the hell would the similarities subtest produce practice effects? Why would there be practice effects if you couldn’t answer the question right in the first place.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=puppy&atb=v77-2_u&iax=images&ia=images&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fimg.huffingtonpost.com%2Fasset%2F5ab4d4ac2000007d06eb2c56.jpeg%3Fcache%3Dsih0jwle4e%26ops%3D1910_1000
Artists depiction of puppy.
interesting story on the effect a mentor and his encouragement can have and on the yuge spread in accomplishment given the same high ability level.
https://www.npr.org/2019/04/07/707326070/a-math-teachers-life-summed-up-by-the-gifted-students-he-mentored
Wikipedia says he contracted syphilis at Oxford, around the time he had his first significant mystical experience and began having homosexual encounters.
“At Cambridge, Crowley maintained a vigorous sex life with women—largely with female prostitutes, from one of whom he caught syphilis—but eventually he took part in same-sex activities, despite their illegality.”
Many famous artists had syphilis. I especially notice people who were linked to unorthodox movements, like impressionism, incomprehensible modernist literature, etc. I can see a few ways this could be a false pattern. But I suspect syphilis plays a role in creating “mad geniuses.”
would that more were so nobly afflicted.
SPENCER MICHELS:
Before he died at age 52, Keith Jordan was videotaped as part of a research project looking into the bizarre and often crude behavior that is one hallmark of frontotemporal dementia or FTD.
KEITH JORDAN, Dementia Patient:
I love to fart loud and long and clear. I love to fart. It’s getting worse every year.
interesting chart:
https://images.app.goo.gl/agxfBTe7B9edWs1u8
it supports the idea that whites can’t play defense. as the league reached steady state of 75% black 25% white scoring declined despite the addition of the 24s clock and the 3 pointer.
when the league was whiter scores were higher because whites can’t play defense.
but they can score.
charles barkeley has a very high social IQ, and you’ll notice that (for a black nba forward) he’s long in the saddle. in other words, he’s taller than other former players when seated despite being only 6’6″.
https://images.app.goo.gl/pbB5zBc7GNU4pQzQ7
the actual tiberius:
NOW THAT’S A ROMAN NOZE!
i learned that salman rushdie is mentally retarded last night. danielle pleteka is whatever is even dumber than that. “this is the problem with mob rule.” wtf? 51% is mob rule? what she meant to say was, “this is the problem with democracy.” she didn’t say that because mentally retarded and evil. and bill maher is even dumber than her. the level of dumbness is hard to believe.
rushdie: this “greatness” [of britain] was just the exploiting of a quarter of the world…when the british came to india, it [india] was just about the richest country in the world. when the british left india, it was one of the poorest. where did the money go?
rushdie IQ <= 65
pleteka IQ <= 50
maher IQ <= 40 [redacted by pp, April 7, 2019]
Why do you always describe people as stupid & evil? Is one insult not enough? Can you name some people who are smart & evil? Can you name some people who are dumb & good?
He must be a crypto- neo-platonician
Hahaha, they mention the NYT expose on murdoch. They weren’t doing that when Iraq was being debated for invasion.
And I think time has proved me right about murdoch not being (((‘in on it’))). I knew this because his media ‘back home’ in Australia is pretty much like the Daily Mail.
murdoch is just an extremely successful sell-out who pushes the neocon agenda to suck up to the most powerful interest groups in our society & has become spectacularly rich & powerful doing so.
Ray Dalio is talking a lot about economic inequality all of a sudden. I remember 3 years ago listening to an interview where he recommended a bunch of things that were plutocratic fare – deregulation, tax cuts yadda yadda.
The election of trumpy must really scare some of the elite. They’re finally realising how bad it is for many americans.
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/why-how-capitalism-needs-reformed-parts-1-2-ray-dalio/
Most of the comments are good though.
I think when people are forced to comment under their real names with their bosses and co workers watching you get a lot more thought about things. hahaha, and i wanted to call that guy mentally retarded
i’ve noticed dalio has a tremor. maybe he has pd. or maybe he’s always had it like adam mckay. the 60 m piece made bridgewater look like a cult.
I cant comment on that article directly because I don’t want professional contacts reading my political opinions..but theres a hedge fund guy saying you can’t tax rich people otherwise they will just leave. I was going to call him mentally retarded and a danger to his clients. If I had money and gave it to someone dumber than me to invest I’d almost deserve to lose it.
Actually I understand what its like being mentally retarded. I just watched my dad and looked at how he coped with the world. I would say, you have to have a really really low IQ, like some [redacted by pp, April 7, 2019], to end up destitute and shooting yourself in the foot repeatedly.
But even then its only when you introduce testosterone into the mix that you get detroit.
A city of my dad multiplied by 10m would not be like detroit. It would be I would say some sort of agricultural community like the Amish or something.
the most obvious nonsense in the US tax code is that long term capital gains and dividends (outside retirement accounts) are taxed at 10%.
this is corruption.
this is EVIL!
both should be treated as ordinary income and taxed progressively (without a ceiling on the “progress”)…taxed AT LEAST as much as ordinary income.
a doctor in NYC or cali paying 50% while an heir pays 10% is EVIL!
BRUTE MORAL FACT!
BUT dividends must be expense-able for corporations.
they can expense interest but not dividends.
this is an obvious contradiction.
AND capex should be fully expense-able or depreciation should be accelerated and/or accumulate at a certain interest rate.
but tax lawyers and politicians (in the US) are mathematically retarded so they can’t this is too complex/subtle for them.
I would go the other way and make interest non expendable. I would want a system that doesn’t incentivise debt like that. Im not a big fan of the Miller Modigliani theory.
Seems like academic success correlates more with working memory. Of course verbal IQ is important for effectuating knowledge, but if all you need to do is regurgitate things, then 120 verbal IQ would be enough for any elite school. His working memory is probably really high to manage the workload, in this case. Probably 130+.
I suspect my working memory is about 110-115. I think quantitative sections in IQ tests are proxies for working memory and that’s the area I did poorly on in the RAIT. And would explain why in high school I procrastinated a lot – not because I was bored, but because I couldn’t take in enough difficult information to make sense of it, and would feel too tired to think. And also explains why my reading speeding is poorly average.
The good thing is that, there is a slim chance that working memory can be improved. I think.
https://www.staples.com/sbd/cre/marketing/technology-research-centers/ereaders/speed-reader/
Just did this little test. First and second try, 256 and 276. I seem to be below average at reading speed for adults. And that’s with trying, while retaining as much as possible. Now imagine me reading a complicated book with new concepts at every turn. My reading speed would likely be around 150 wpm.
This is why trying to learn new information is like juggling pieces of a puzzle into place for me. Why I’ve needed adderall; it arouses me to learn, which makes things impressionable enough to be retained. But it is like a high with a low that numbs you; dejection and a headache is what you’re left with. I’m literally having a throughput issue that doesn’t feel entirely sprung from bad habit, but I definitely should not self-diagnose myself as having AD(H)D. Oddly enough, I have two friends that are – assorted friendship?
Took the reading test, scored a 317 on the first try, then a 401 on the second. As far as remembering details about the passages goes, you need to have an ability to remember and recognize specific key points or words, thus testing your ability to hold all the information written in your head. Overall, I’d say it’s a great test for memory.
I think there’re different types of working memory, but the most important test of working memory is just talking. Verbal fluency in regards to speech is an important indicator of how well you can recall words, arrange them in a coherent manner, and then apply all that to create a functioning sentence. This is something I think blacks are very good at.
Other types of working memory require you to recall bits and pieces of information that you know and implement them into a system of recall. A lot of working memory is just taking things from your crystallized intelligence, creating heuristics for them, and then recalling them appropriately.
I completely agree with you, Billy, that academics and academia in general values working memory disproportionately to other cognitive tasks. My working memory, aside from my visual-spatial skills, is my Achilles’ heel.
I think working memory is important for every cognitive task aside from abstraction, pretty much. Think about the Raven’s tests and the building blocks test and any other test in the category of spatial ability. You have to remember the distinct patterns for Raven’s matrices to optimize speed in that specific test. Building blocks require you to hold multiple objects, literal objects, in your head and try to determine which one is best. Same with the Raven’s, which tests how you would assess patterns by holding them in your mind and thinking to yourself which one comes next.
Every test requires some form of working memory, some more than others, but I think one thing that is overlooked is how similar spatial and verbal tests are when you really think deeply about how important holding these objects in your head really is. For verbal, it’s more like holding a concept in your head. Spatial is like holding a physical object in your head. Both go through the same processes, just different methodologies.
I think my comments on working memory are my strongest contributions to the IQ realm thus far. I wish I could help AnimeKitty with his problems because he always talks about his difficulties with working memory. Working memory impacts all cognitive abilities, and is thus the foundation of all cognitive abilities, including empathy and social intelligence. To apply anything outside of its abstract form, you need working memory to do so.
And with this, I follow-up with a question: Pumpkin, what is the neurological mechanism for working memory? Aeoli has a great post on what he thinks it is, but I’d love your opinion on the subject.
You reminded me of an interesting study I read recently regarding the IQ/brain differences between east asians(Chinese) and Caucasians. It turns out that despite the fact that EA tend to outperform C by about 10 points in math ability C have superior working memory as they outperform East Asians on various memory tests(WMS). I would argue working memory is pivotal in academia and any high value intellectual endeavour. Hypothetically speaking this may explain away the difference in achievement of people of European descent vs East Asians in the last 2-3k years(especially the last 500 years). Funny enough it turns out that the prefrontal cortex is larger in C than in EA(despite EA having slightly larger brains overall) which just so happens to be the seat of working memory. Of course this is not the only quality that matters but it’s likely one of the most important ones in sustained academic achievement.
Mind you I don’t think this necessarily correlates with reading ability. People who have even mild dyslexia will have their reading ability significantly impacted while I’m fairly certain that reading ability is trainable. It’s about focus and motivation mostly, it’s like riding a bike, the more you do it with a concerted effort to improve, the better you become at it.
On a little side note some speculate that the huge difference in math ability may in fact be partly cultural in that they are strongly encouraged to be good at math while their words for numbers are extremely short compared to Europeans which may improve their ability to count and recall numbers in simple IQ type questions. Beyond that however they likely have a predisposition to it due to their brain organization.
I’ve been thinking about it a bit more. I remember watching documentaries of people that were clinically retarded. Not just ‘idiots’ like my dad. When they are white people they look deformed and the aesthetics is enough to tell.
For the past few weeks I sometimes go to the shopping mall and read a magazine. During the daytime hours, you often see social workers leading groups of ‘special needs’ people around.
Its not that bad an affliction really as long as you are in a 1st world country with a good social safety net. Being simple makes life quite enjoyable actually. These people don’t worry about getting laid or their pension or playing office politics. Simple things have a high pleasure/satisfaction level.
If you remember what it was like being a child, I would say most of the time you are happy.
My dad is kind of like that. He never worries about anything. He can just sit on the couch and watch the birds go by for hours.
If you’re dad was diagnosed as retarded, then he’s clinically retarded.
The physically abnormal ones are organic retardates (pathologically abnormal) as opposed to familial retardation where your retardation just reflects the very low end of normal variation in intelligence
I remember watching a movie about 2 drug addicts. A day in the life kinda thing. Anyway they end up robbing a person with Down Syndrome. Literally just walking up to him and basically asking him to hand over the money.
If there is any humanity left in Detroit, a down syndrome person or a person with clinical retardation should be off limits.
I have a lot of fondness for down syndrome people. If I saw 2 guys doing that to one on the street Id stop it.
It would be interesting comparing the low social IQ of a down syndrome person with someone with autism and seeing if theres a difference in quality. Then you could surmise social functioning is a cognitive thing or basically a chunk of the brain like the parts that regulate our breathing and instincts and so forth.
When they’re matched for IQ, the autistics show worse Theory of Mind.
In one of my jobs in a big 4 firm, they hired down syndrome people to serve the tea and other catering.
One of the things I would do as emperor or something would be to assign quotas of jobs like that to ‘special needs’ people if they wanted to work. That is the only affirmative action I would condone. Im quite contrary to Langan like that, supporting very low IQ people.
Ripley’s Believe It or Not…
jordan peterson is scheduled to “debate” zizek on the 19th.
canadian plays zizek. chinaman plays peterson.
my question is…
how did his mongolian handlers allow this?
1. they abandoned him to his own retardation?
OR
2. zizek is now mongolian controlled?
i doubt it.
i’d bet on #1.
peterson is just too crazy.
Pumpkin, according to the WAIS IV manuals you have, what are the practice effects for similarities. Also, once you take the test with proper administration the second time, is it most probable that the third time you’d get the exact score as the second time you took it. Also, without the instructions in the beginning, would there be almost zero practice effect?
What Pill and other commenters don’t understand is that just like with general intelligence, social intelligence also has its fair share of “clever sillies.” These are people in the 105-125 IQ range that have some form of understanding of how things are done at the surface level of things, but don’t have the intelligence to go in-depth. This works exactly the same way with social intelligence…we just call them “neurotypicals.” Only at the extremes of social intelligence do you actually get people who are away from the herd. Everyone else is just a sheep living in their own bubble, following basic patterns and working them out to come up with the same conclusions.
yes…contra the lying [redacted by pp, April 8, 2019]jonathan haidt…the only explanation is very often that…
the person is stupid/un-informed/ignorant/un-sophisticated/etc.
OR
the person is evil.
for example, why are there serial killers?
1. they have some sexual compulsion = stupid.
2. they are un-affected their killing = psychopath/evil.
2. they are un-affected by their killing = evil.
On average sexual deviants are stupid (since sexual deviance is a sign of brain dysfunction) but some sexual deviants are brilliant
so it’s OBVIOUS to non-autists that the real racist is rushdie.
that is, being indian is so important to him/he’s such a chauvinist, that he will spout the most obvious ROT in order to maintain his “picture of reality”.
my weltanshauung vs pill’s is…
1. pill sees all this OBVIOUS stupidity among the elite and supposes that there is a higher and seldom seen elite (what pill terms “master”) which selects for dumb people at its border and de-selects smart people.
2. mugabe sees that the border between master and sheep doesn’t actually exist. as kary mullis said, “there’s no ‘up there’ there. they’re just idiots like everyone else.”
if you want a picture of the world winston…it’s sheep leading sheep…there isn’t even a queen ant.
“if you want a picture of the world winston…it’s sheep leading sheep…there isn’t even a queen ant.”
So who decides russia is our new enemy?
This is how ‘pill’ sees the world. Even with all the medications.
Puppy is correct that John Carpenter is a great underrated director. I like most of his movies. But this one was his best not Halloween.
WMD and russia-gate are OBVIOUSLY mongolian lies.
but there is no need to suppose that there is some kind of centcom in ulaan-baatar.
it is enough to assume that mongolians are aware that they are mongolians and are very ethnocentric and paranoid. the conspiracy is consanguinity.
just like fish swim and birds fly, mongolians mongolian. that’s what they do. it’s their nature.
but it doesn’t matter.
my world-view actually requires much harsher measures than pill’s.
Pill is correct that the invasion of Iraq was part of a larger conspiracy to drag the US into middle eastern wars, but he lacks the social IQ to realize most elites were not part of the conspiracy but deliberately encouraged war because it’s in their genetic interests or because they want to fit in with other elites or were simply sell-outs or dupes
Mug of Pee understands the latter point but lacks the social IQ to realize that at the heart of it there really was a conspiracy and it started with 9/11. Al Queda did not have the IQ to pull that off themselves. They (along with bush & Cheney) were useful idiots of those trying to cause a clash of civilization between arabs & whites
pill’s the 2d brit i’ve heard mention the CFA (an american qualification).
in the US [redacted by pp, April 8, 2019]the CFA is meaningless.
if all you have is a BA and a CFA you’re lucky to get a job as an accountant for a small municipality.
I thought that too. But I actually was surprised to see it listed in the job spec for hedge fund analyst. The fund was not a major one though.
I think it will eventually become a kind of proxy IQ test because god knows anyone can get a BA these days.
Actually its been crossing my mind to do it for the fun of it. I don’t find economics and accounting that boring funnily enough.
I think if I wasn’t sacked as a banker I would have go on to complete it.
i considered doing the CFA myself. i didn’t because i thought it wouldn’t do anything for me.
an example of IQ not corresponding to demand:
the CFA isn’t easy but among american fincancial services exams the uniform CPA exam and the actuarial exams are harder but average (as opposed to median) pay is much less than for the CFA.
lots of actuaries earn the CFA too just because they like taking tests, but it doesn’t raise their pay by much.
but it’s more complicated than that.
if i lived in the NYC area the CFA would pay off big time i expect…as would actuarial exams.
and london is in some ways the financial capital of the world. so LOTS more demand.
AND…unlike hiring someone from cardiff…
no one wants to hire someone from PDX to work in NYC or CT or NJ. because prejudice but also because people leave and go home. this is what i was told UP FRONT. not just an excuse because they thought i was weird.
the number of investments firms in PDX can be “counted on one hand”.
but some sheep are A LOT more ethnocentric and nepotistic than other sheep.
some sheep are poison.
how may times have i said this?
you can tell the [redacted by pp, April 8, 2019] have no power because peepee never redacts any mention of them.
Mug of Pee & Pill’s social IQs are so low, they think they have free speech & think that people like me, who protect them from themselves are brainwashed.
To quote JR Ewing “it takes brains to know when to be scared, & since yours are in short supply, let me help you out: be afraid, be very afraid”
Puppy you mentioned once that you read a book about some native american SJW and that you watch ‘Dear White People’. How are you not brainwashed? You even ‘worship’ – your own word, an obvious magic negro like Oprah.
A brainwashed person wouldnt believe in Rushton since childhood, despite being raised in a super liberal family & country.
But at the same time I’m extremely low in psychopathy so I feel guilty about telling such unpleasant truths, so i try to balance it with liberal content. This strategy has led to an extremely diverse readership
You worship Donald Trump & George Soros
you can tell peepee is too rational to be a woman.
here’s a list of countries with as many people as there are [redacted by pp, april 8, 2019] in the world.
71 Chad 15,692,969
72 Somalia 15,636,171
73 Zimbabwe 15,159,624
why is CNN not 90% zimbabwean?
can’t figure it out.
bad think!
bad think!
bad think!
Speaking of worship I have my 1st Magick Ritual to stream to my followers on the 17th. Wish me luck.
Sounds interesting! Good luck!
PP
“But at the same time I’m extremely low in psychopathy so I feel guilty about telling such unpleasant truths, so i try to balance it with liberal content. This strategy has led to an extremely diverse readership”
LOL
I picked up on that about you!
I can definitely relate…though I think I may be pathologically inclined to seek the truth no matter what, even if it is to my own detriment. I mean I always know what is the PC and often easy line to take(I’m very socially adept, high on empathy) and can play the dog and pony show like the best of them but eventually it all starts to feel nausiatingly fake. Mind you the older I get the less I care so I just call it as I see it.
I can definitely relate…though I think I may be pathologically inclined to seek the truth no matter what, even if it is to my own detriment. I mean I always know what is the PC and often easy line to take(I’m very socially adept, high on empathy) and can play the dog and pony show like the best of them but eventually it all starts to feel nausiatingly fake.
And those who don’t know you’re being fake may think you’re foolish for not believing in HBD (at least if they secretly believe it themselves)
“And those who don’t know you’re being fake may think you’re foolish for not believing in HBD (at least if they secretly believe it themselves)”
Right, damned if you do damned if you don’t…I used to be extremely good at stradling the line between the truth and lying for the “greater good”(provided the good outweighs the bad that may come of it and assuming the it is a benign lie) but the more authoritarian the PC Brigade are getting the more inclined I feel to oppose them. Problem is that in today’s world these people have gained unprecedented levels of powerful, I mean they are going after PewDiePie for christ’s sake as some kind of nazi. Someone dropped the ball in the last 20 odd years such that the world is moving deeper and deeper into la la land and we are entering a phase of mob rule. Scary stuff!
All truths have its positive side. It’s untruth to say truth only can be negative.
”Mob rule”, my dear, is the whitey [irrational bitches] behavior standard.
Oprah
Are you racist man?
Seems to me you have a real issue with white people. Did a white boy break your heart or something?
Which whitey are you referring to, lefties or righties?
“All truths have its positive side. It’s untruth to say truth only can be negative.”
If that is in reference to what i said, I never said “truth only can be negative” in fact i pretty much alluded to the exact opposite of that and asserted that I’m a pathological truth seeker but can turn a blind eye to a lie if it is for the greater good assuming the good that comes out of it far outweighs the bad in the long run(which is very rarely IMO).
”Are you racist man?”
Absolutely, i’m racist about all races. No racial group transcend to wisdom.
”Seems to me you have a real issue with white people. Did a white boy break your heart or something?”
I’m not a typical homoguy so gross stereotypes like that barrely express me.
Otherwise i often prefer white guys in terms of aesthetics. I wish a white boyfriend, the problem is his possible psychology and subsequent consequences.
Why not**
All this ridiculous ”left and right” is fundamentally because white people historical stupidity. I try to be super ponderated, rational [and maybe, many people have a different opinion because they believe ”rational” must be: emotionally cold, ”perfect”…] and MOST whites are just planly irrational. I’m completely saturated with all this and yes, whitey is to be blame.
I was very racist against blacks and it’s not a thing i supress. I just decided to be egalitarianly racist. I was blind about white stupidity and when i perceive most of what leftist people say about it it’s right or true, i stay in shchok.
”If that is in reference to what i said, I never said “truth only can be negative” in fact i pretty much alluded to the exact opposite of that and asserted that I’m a pathological truth seeker but can turn a blind eye to a lie if it is for the greater good assuming the good that comes out of it far outweighs the bad in the long run(which is very rarely IMO).”
A greater good is not a lie, necessarily… greater good is related with values, how we can react or build reactive mechanisms about facts and patterns.
“A brainwashed person wouldnt believe in Rushton since childhood, despite being raised in a super liberal family & country.”
Are Rushton, Lynn, and Jensen the Holy Trinity of “HBD” research? Are they your gods? Is “HBD” your religion? You seem to believe in it with such religious fervor, just as Dorothy Nelkin identifies E. O. Wilson’s apparent religious belief in genes and sociobiology in chapter 1 of Alas, Poor Darwin.
Do you believe all scientific theories are religion, or just the ones unapproved of by the NY Times?
Science is a religion for a lot of people, even though they won’t admit it.
I don’t read the NYT.
RR,
Are you post-modernist*
https://onezero.medium.com/the-human-zeal-for-adventure-has-a-genetic-basis-97af9bc07849
”Fruit flies genes” what**
Oprah
“Absolutely, i’m racist about all races. No racial group transcend to wisdom.”
Well, does all races include your own race as well? Because if it does and you hate all races equally technically you are not a racist but rather an anti-humanist. An elitist of sorts I imagine, given your obvious sense of superior wisdom over others. I mean you do understand there are smart and stupid people within all races, right? Do you think there might be some smarter people than you?
“I’m not a typical homoguy so gross stereotypes like that barrely express me.”
So I take it that romance does not interest you. Hmmm you must be young, looking for action. Well gay men are among the most promiscuous people on the planet so you shouldn’t have trouble fitting in.
“Otherwise i often prefer white guys in terms of aesthetics. I wish a white boyfriend, ”
Right, so you have hateful(dare i say racist) feelings towards white men while at the same time you desire a white boyfriend and feel attracted to them the most. Hmmmm looks like a love hate relationship. Is it a case of hating what you feel you can’t have? Correct me if I’m wrong but gay men are quite open minded and probably some of the least racist people. I take it you are not white or black…latino? Anyway, you really need to sort out your issues, as an old and wise man once said 😉
You might want to re-evaluate your standards and perhaps get rid of some of your unsubstantiated preconsceptions. Most of the time the things that are preventing us from getting what we want are inside our own heads.
“the problem is his possible psychology and subsequent consequences.”
No one said life is easy dude, there are problems abound for all sorts of people of all races shapes sizes and whatnot.
“All this ridiculous ”left and right” is fundamentally because white people historical stupidity.”
Yes and no, while I agree with you that conventional and partisan preconceptions of political life are very low resolution there is actually a fundamental underlying reality to political dichotomy that transcends human social constructs and goes all the way to the root of nature itself. Strong/weak, rich/poor, smart/mediocre conscientuous/open minded these are all realities of the human condition that are used to construct our current political system(not necessarily in this strict dichotomy but some mixture of the above). No matter how hard we try to tinker with it this dichotomy will always exist and through various iterations political parties will rally around these core issues. My feeling is that we need both sides, if we move too far to the right the poor tend to suffer, if we move too far to the left in the long run regression sets in and the system innevitably crumbles. A fine balance needs to be maintained between the two and right now IMO the center to center-right in the US has got it just right. The left on the other hand is unravelling before our eyes. Sad to see really, I say this as someone who has been center left for most of my life.
“I was very racist against blacks and it’s not a thing i supress.”
Why all the hate man? Can you not divorce your perception of some realities from how you feel about a certain group of people. For example, I have no issue accepting the cultural and IQ difference(a blind man and his dog can work it out) but that doesn’t make me hate black people. Some of them are quite smart(as long as they aren’t whining constantly about the “evil” white man) and I think they bring something to the table that can be of great value. What I do get irked about is how strongly leftists try to deny race IQ differences, the mental gymnastics they employ is truly impressive but in the long run I think this sort of thing will hurt society more than help it(getting back to my issue with lying for the supposed greater good). Anyway, I understand their fears but I feel most people don’t have time to concern themselves with racism and such nonsense, most people are trying to get by. The days of blatant inhumane racism are over. What the left is now trying to do is tell people they can’t have an opinion on reality, everyone has to buy into their la la land equality of outcome schtick otherwise they will be stigmatized and branded with the worst labels they can conjure up. Advocating for peace is one thing(all for it) but demanding conformity to their ideological doctrines is another, no one with more than two brain cells is going to buy it and the harder they try to push it the more fractured society is going to become.
Personally I think we should just drop this whole “I see racist people” nonsense and adhere to strict meritocracy and let the chips fall where they may. Start calling out charlatans sophists and political/intellectual hacks and regain some sense of order in the world. I honestly think that this drive for renewed racial division and race baiting and such is simply a ploy and political blackmail for power and money(by the Dems). I think people have a right to freedom of association, someone doesn’t want to date you because of your race then tough, as long as this doesn’t get nasty and it doesn’t spill into business regular services and professional and public life then we are all good. Now should that person be branded a racist, of course not, as long as they treat you with respect are kind and don’t use racist language towards you then their preferences must be respected.
“A greater good is not a lie, necessarily”
Usually it is not, sometimes though a lie is necessary, like telling your child a made up story in order to prevent them from losing their innocence too early or too quickly. Problem starts when your child is now a grown up and you are still telling him fibs.
“greater good is related with values, how we can react or build reactive mechanisms about facts and patterns.”
Hmmm not sure i understand what you mean by this(maybe you should avoid hyper-philosophizing, leave that to the pseudo crowd with more time than sense). In any case the truth shall set you free! Once you learn how to react or deal with the truth you will be more powerful than anyone else around you. Creating reactionary coping mechanisms that are not based around the truth(otherwise known as cognitive dissonance reduction) either serves some ulterior insincere motive or in the long run will get people all twisted up inside and get them embroiled into a tangled web they will struggle to get out of.
Your comment is gigantic, i will try to answer it.
”Well, does all races include your own race as well?”
Yess
”Because if it does and you hate all races equally technically you are not a racist but rather an anti-humanist.”
Human groups often represent the expression of human deficits than virtues, it’s not to be anti-humanist at all.
”An elitist of sorts I imagine, given your obvious sense of superior wisdom over others. I mean you do understand there are smart and stupid people within all races, right? Do you think there might be some smarter people than you?”
OBVIOUSLY i know there are internal differences. Wisdom look like to be superior but it’s just to be sane with the feelings and thoughts, with the moral values and facts, as possible you can. Most people can’t do it properly.
Absolutely but the question is not about ”smarter” in cognitive, materialistic sense. From the existential perspective, what’s matter at first and in the end it’s what make us the same, the same fate, the same essence within us. There are human cognitive machines which are considerably smarter but i’m not talking about technicist competences but the deep or hyper reality, the existential one. Proud to know more than other people is a type of insecurity or pride.
”So I take it that romance does not interest you. Hmmm you must be young, looking for action. Well gay men are among the most promiscuous people on the planet so you shouldn’t have trouble fitting in.”
When i’m in the sauna, most men there want to stay with me. I no have problem to have sex if i want. In app i’m not the most admirable people there but i also no have problem to find someone. I’m young but i’m extremely lazy, i look for nearest action ever on me. Your hypothetical reason to explain why i hate ”white” race’s is wrong.
”Right, so you have hateful(dare i say racist) feelings towards white men while at the same time you desire a white boyfriend and feel attracted to them the most. Hmmmm looks like a love hate relationship. Is it a case of hating what you feel you can’t have? Correct me if I’m wrong but gay men are quite open minded and probably some of the least racist people. I take it you are not white or black…latino? Anyway, you really need to sort out your issues, as an old and wise man once said 😉”
Most old wise men are not wise, period.
No, it’s emotionally charged, it is, but it’s also the pale truth about pale human race. Two absolutely hateful and stupid world wars are one of the examples about it, why treat, on avg, white races as dangerous and stupid is correct.
I think or try to think abstractly. White people on avg, mostly heterossexual traditional people, are historically stupid with a minority of great [but not totally correct//wise] creative people. The fact i admire white/european physical aesthetics is not in contradiction with historical/psycho-cognitive facts about them. It’s not a love hate relationship, it’s not natural to me hate white people. It’s not natural to me hate east asian people too.
”I take it you are not white or black…latino?”
I use to joke about it saying i’m half japanese, but… i’m not.
”You might want to re-evaluate your standards and perhaps get rid of some of your unsubstantiated preconsceptions. Most of the time the things that are preventing us from getting what we want are inside our own heads.”
Well.. i believe in it.
”No one said life is easy dude, there are problems abound for all sorts of people of all races shapes sizes and whatnot.”
It’s you, Mister Oz*
”Yes and no,”
Your opinion.
”while I agree with you that conventional and partisan preconceptions of political life are very low resolution there is actually a fundamental underlying reality to political dichotomy that transcends human social constructs and goes all the way to the root of nature itself.”
I’m in the hbd ship since 2009 and even before i always have interest to understand people or their behavior, so yes, i know about it, but, it’s still quite stupid, exactly because it’s deeply ingrained or instinctive, just like a crowd of primates who know human language. People engage in extremely obvious sophistry stuff from all political/psychological spectrum. The best arguments barrely change their minds, it’s sad.
”Strong/weak, rich/poor, smart/mediocre conscientuous/open minded these are all realities of the human condition that are used to construct our current political system(not necessarily in this strict dichotomy but some mixture of the above). No matter how hard we try to tinker with it this dichotomy will always exist and through various iterations political parties will rally around these core issues.”
I hope no, specially about rich/poor and psychopathic bitches and stupid/narcisistic martirs.
”My feeling is that we need both sides, if we move too far to the right the poor tend to suffer, if we move too far to the left in the long run regression sets in and the system innevitably crumbles.”
Capitalistic conservatism is a parasitic social model. We must move out of it. But communism is not the synthesis but the antythesis of it.
We must transcend our primitive impetus to maximize human and near-nonhuman well-being. But this transcendence is based on accumulation of all these instinctive knowledges people have when they engage in biased way.
”A fine balance needs to be maintained between the two and right now IMO the center to center-right in the US has got it just right. The left on the other hand is unravelling before our eyes. Sad to see really, I say this as someone who has been center left for most of my life.”
Not about capitalism that is clearly parasitical. Historians say capitalism appeared in human history just with ”great discoveries” [european invasions] but i think Roman Empire socioeconomical and european feudal system are both example of capitalism in maybe, primitive or incomplete forms.
”Why all the hate man?”
Extreme differences in psychology between me and a avg blackzilian. And more than hate, it’s always a fear if most of urban crimes are commited by blacks and pardos.
”Can you not divorce your perception of some realities from how you feel about a certain group of people.”
It’s a basic survive guide.
”For example, I have no issue accepting the cultural and IQ difference(a blind man and his dog can work it out) but that doesn’t make me hate black people.”
I don’t hate black people as a neonazi even when i don’t supress this feeling.
”Some of them are quite smart(as long as they aren’t whining constantly about the “evil” white man) and I think they bring something to the table that can be of great value. What I do get irked about is how strongly leftists try to deny race IQ differences, the mental gymnastics they employ is truly impressive but in the long run I think this sort of thing will hurt society more than help it(getting back to my issue with lying for the supposed greater good).”
Smartness no longer impress me.
”Anyway, I understand their fears but I feel most people don’t have time to concern themselves with racism and such nonsense, most people are trying to get by. The days of blatant inhumane racism are over. What the left is now trying to do is tell people they can’t have an opinion on reality, everyone has to buy into their la la land equality of outcome schtick otherwise they will be stigmatized and branded with the worst labels they can conjure up. Advocating for peace is one thing(all for it) but demanding conformity to their ideological doctrines is another, no one with more than two brain cells is going to buy it and the harder they try to push it the more fractured society is going to become.”
And most people on the left are… white.
Lefitsts commited all the time the fallacy ”value as a fact”, they confuse both. Just like, poverty fundamentally caused the cognitive differences, i mean, in causal way, without any drop of genetics, what they believe. They are using a correct moral value [concern about social injustice, the capitalism contradiction: poverty sorround by wealth] to distort a fact.
I will try to answer the rest of your comments tomorrow, i’m busy, my lord!!! my satan, help me!!!
If you want i answer with my very-obvious comments remember me tomorrow where i stop.
Oprah
“And most people on the left are… white.”
Achem allow me to direct you to this nation called China, you know the one that goes by the name of the “People’s Republic of China” a communist nation of 1.4 billion people several hundred million more than all “white” nations put together. That is before we count all the other communist or socialist nations in the world.
I would really recommend you study some history, you have a very biased view of people of European descent and their history. Whatever you will find the Europeans did you will see that non Europeans did the same in spades. We are all, after all human beings ailed with the same flaws. Your hatred towards white people is misplaced, is it envy that spawned this, only you truly know, but you my friend have been brianwashed by the media. The last two world wars were no different to all the wars that occured between people all around the world for all of recorded history. The difference is that they coincided with the industrial revolution and the advent of powerful weapons that allowed these wars to expand cross borders and cross continents. Not saying that what the nazis did was remotely acceptable(I’m certainly not defending them) but genocide was far more common than you think from a historical perspective(just see Turkey’s 3 attempts at ethnic cleansing within a span of 10 years since the start of WW I, at least 2.5 million people massacred) while most Europeans did not do any such thing and were fighting against the Germans.
Once again start reading up on history. See Mongol and Turkic invasions of Europe and if you want to go futher back see Islamic invasions(and yes they attacked europe first and their attacks/incursions far outnumbered the few crusades thereafter) and if you want to go even further back see the Persian invasion of Greece which pretty much kicked off this whole grand scale war and empire building schtick since the advent of recorded history. Stay away from leftist or right leaning or any obvious propaganda. The 20th century was like giving a bunch of rambuctious kids a bunch of new toys to play with and they got carried away. Given that no one else had such toys the worst damage was seen to come from the west. I guarrantee you that if nations like Japan or Turkey had the bomb they would have dropped it in a heartbeat.
Head of pumpkin is basically a typical white nationalist but with some points above avg…
The same arguments i have read since 2010..
”Achem allow me to direct you to this nation called China, you know the one that goes by the name of the “People’s Republic of China” a communist nation of 1.4 billion people several hundred million more than all “white” nations put together. That is before we count all the other communist or socialist nations in the world.”
Look a great argument, but not…
Majority of chinese people are intrinsically conservative. Their ”neichon” is oficcially communist but it’s a hybrid society.
I hope you understood, now. I’m talking about psychological or intrinsic psychological features which predispose people to follow egalitarian views as openess. White europeans seems have the highest percent of this type of people, that partially explain their virtues, most hbd-wingers here agreed as a ”pathological’ altruism.
”I would really recommend you study some history, you have a very biased view of people of European descent and their history.”
”Whatever you will find the Europeans did you will see that non Europeans did the same in spades.”
For sure, I KNOW… but, only europeans who invaded all the world and now inviting to their industrial nations those they destroy cuitures, impose artificial borders or whatever stupid sttuf they did…
Their responsibility is the onus is considerably bigger by this/obvious reason, isn’t*
”We are all, after all human beings ailed with the same flaws.”
We have different flaws… to start.
”We are all, after all human beings”
Yes, tell this to your white nechionalust brothels..
” Your hatred towards white people is misplaced, is it envy that spawned this, only you truly know, but you my friend have been brianwashed by the media.”
You definitely don’t know me,
”I’m envy”
Don’t do it with yourself. This argument is self-shameful.
” The last two world wars were no different to all the wars that occured between people all around the world for all of recorded history. The difference is that they coincided with the industrial revolution and the advent of powerful weapons that allowed these wars to expand cross borders and cross continents. Not saying that what the nazis did was remotely acceptable(I’m certainly not defending them) but genocide was far more common than you think from a historical perspective(just see Turkey’s 3 attempts at ethnic cleansing within a span of 10 years since the start of WW I, at least 2.5 million people massacred) while most Europeans did not do any such thing and were fighting against the Germans.”
Oh my god!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thank you for these incredible informations i never had internalized in my mind!!!!
”Once again start reading up on history.”
https://media1.tenor.com/images/6eed332ccc906cfaa504eaaefffd9661/tenor.gif?itemid=10235861
”See Mongol”
Do you mean down syndrome*
”and Turkic invasions of Europe and if you want to go futher back see Islamic invasions(and yes they attacked europe first and their attacks/incursions far outnumbered the few crusades thereafter) and if you want to go even further back see the Persian invasion of Greece which pretty much kicked off this whole grand scale war and empire building schtick since the advent of recorded history. Stay away from leftist or right leaning or any obvious propaganda. The 20th century was like giving a bunch of rambuctious kids a bunch of new toys to play with and they got carried away. Given that no one else had such toys the worst damage was seen to come from the west. I guarrantee you that if nations like Japan or Turkey had the bomb they would have dropped it in a heartbeat.”
So Japan and Turkey were considerably bad than Euros and eurodiaspora… ok.
“Head of pumpkin is basically a typical white nationalist but with some points above avg…”
Uhhhm thank you?
Well, depends what you mean by nationalist. Here are my core positions.
1. I believe in borders, without them conflict and heavy blood shed is innevitable. As such some amount of nationalism/patriotism is innevitable as long as it is of the reasonable kind. It is in fact evolutionarily optimal, there is a need for convergence of values for optimal growth(otherwise chaos and regression ensues) and the nation states is the best way in which to bring this about with the least amount of friction. Have too big a nation and/or too diverse and the only way to achieve this convergence is through force and totalitarian authoritarian means.
2. I believe in complete freedom of association(I generally dislike strong advocacy for either strict racial purity or strict racial mixing), and while i have no issue with misegenation I appreciate that on some healthy and reasonable level each group of people have a right to advocate for their group’s preservation. Some view this as racism but IMO this is only a recent development, a propagandist push to dismantle white people. Though this is mostly due to fears of the errors of the 20th century(ie nazis) the effects are still the same, “in group advocacy/preference for me but none for thee”(ie none for the scary evil white man). The problem is that a lot of nefarious factions within minorities in western nations that have been smuggled into the discourse have only one goal in mind, dismantle and replace white people(though you will rarely get them to admit this outright). This appears to be the main development in the last 5 or so years in the west.
3. I am a strong advocate for the non aggression principle, ie no wars at all under no circumstances.
4. While I am not against globalism and multiculturalism and even a world of just one set of people(in fact this sounds idealic) I understand that this is a pipe dream and may in fact be an immoral desire given what would be required to achieve it and the likely consequences. Having said that I don’t see why it would be hard to simply each understand our boundaries live peacefully along side one another, collaborate interact and maybe slowly coallesce but only after careful thoughtfull deliberation. Maybe some day in the distant future we will be one assuming we work out all the ins and outs(though this will take at least 200 more years IMO the human condition will not allow it for now). I think that most communist/socialists particularly the multi culty one world types are dangerously naive. I don’t like the racial purists either(ie ACTUAL racists). I am not against multiculturalism, after all i live in a big city and i love it but i think a strong majority is always necessary, the point of conflict comes when two major culturally distinct groups reach near equal numbers(blood shed is almost innevitable at that point, i fear this for the US).
5. I believe that for most reasonable logically mnded people our priorities tend to radiate outwards from our geographical position with decreasing strength. As such our in group tends to be at the top of those priorities. Not to say that the out group is or should be hated or faught( in fact they are part of those priorities as part of the human race) but rather they occupy a lower position in that order of priorities. This is not a problem, this is natural and i believe it to be immoral to fight it or go against it. This is not a matter of either or it is a matter of this(first) but also this too(second).
Mine is a nuanced position and it takes a good faith interlocutor to appreciate it without trying to find a way to caricaturize it(as you appear to be doing Oprah).
“I hope you understood, now. I’m talking about psychological or intrinsic psychological features which predispose people to follow egalitarian views as openess. White europeans seems have the highest percent of this type of people, that partially explain their virtues, most hbd-wingers here agreed as a ”pathological’ altruism.”
So you oppose this? What is your position exactly, are you on the left or the right? Are you in favor of borders or not do you believe in multiculturalism and globalism or not? Are you a racist(as in hate all races except your own) or are you a pan-humanist or are you a troll(LOL methinks THIS). Personally i believe in those things(globalism and multiculturalism) in as much as they create a better connected and more peaceful world and fascilitate progress but not in the effects they have and way in which they are applied to dismantle the idea of the nation state and progressive(the non regressive la la land lefty type) pro-social panhumanist nationalism. I believe in healthy non-violent competition(and collaboration) for the ultimate purpose of the well being of the respective in groups and all of humanity. We must give our fastest runners free reign to progress otherwise humanity stagnates and eventually regresses.
“For sure, I KNOW… but, only europeans who invaded all the world and now inviting to their industrial nations those they destroy cuitures, impose artificial borders or whatever stupid sttuf they did…”
READ HISTORY!!!! You are historically illiterate. What do you think, borders did not exist before the white man? Animals mark their territory for christ’s sake, it is the natural order of things, borders have existed for many thousands of years. As for arbitrary borders, Europeans through colonialism(mostly the British) which i am against btw, carved out borders based on common sense rationale. Had they not done this the only other way those borders would have been created was through heavy bloodshed(as we are now seeing in the middle east) you fool.
“We have different flaws… to start.”
Sure we differ somewhat but we are all ailed with the human condition and that is universal and relatively unchanged for the last 200k years.
“Yes, tell this to your white nechionalust brothels..”
They are not my brothels(whatever the F that means) I’ve told you I’m left of centre ideologically. My idea of nationalism is not the same as extreme right wingers though I’m sure most of them are simply reactionaries to the left wing reactionaries. One stupid and naive person requires his equally stupid opposite, sadly that is how balance is maintained in the world.
“Don’t do it with yourself. This argument is self-shameful.”
Sure, ok….convince me that you are not on some level driven by envy because you sure as hell are acting like it.
“Oh my god!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thank you for these incredible informations i never had internalized in my mind!!!!”
You’re welcome!
“Do you mean down syndrome*”
No if that is what I meant I would have said “Oprah-You”. I mean mongol as in:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_invasions_and_conquests
“So Japan and Turkey were considerably bad than Euros and eurodiaspora… ok.”
Well that is an academic question, however if only by virtue of the fact that they faught on the side of the Axis Powers I would say yes they were considerably worse than europeans(if we exclude the Germans). Both Turkey and Japan committed some of the worst atrocities of the first and second world wars. They were along with the Germans the principal genocidal(as in massacres) powers of the 20th century. One could argue the Russians and Chinese through communism killed more people in the 20th century but they did it mostly in an indirect way.
So to reiterate my position, I am first of all a Greek, and thereafter a European thereafter a product of western civilization and finally I am a human being, a citizen of the world. I am proud of all of those things and see value in every person and living thing on this planet(except for those pesky cockroaches).
Oh one final point…
6. I believe that indigenous people have a right to be the majority in their own country. Note I am using the word country by the modern definition of a nation state and for the most part in as much as those boundaries were recently fairly and amicably drawn. Displacements that happened over a thousand years ago in areas that were sparsely populated and not remotely resembling a unified culturally homogeneous people or kingdom don’t really count. Now while the cases of the US and Australia are quite difficult to work out given how relatively recently they happened(i can see arguments for both sides), I would say however given the protections and aid the american indians(including reservations in area the size of the UK) and aboriginals are getting I think it is a fair deal. If I was a member of those tribes I would shut up and enjoy the benefits I would otherwise never have had(monetary technological cultural and military).
i mean if i were an indian i’d be a chauvinist too…for the aryans who produced the upanishads, buddhism, vedanta, decimal numbers, etc.
BUT the industrial revolution happened in one place at one time. northern england beginning in the 18th c.. and western europe had been technically superior for at least 500 years leading up to it.
military technology and geography (that is, the british navy) and classism (that is, exporting surplus people) and “racism” (that is, britain’s white dominions, unlike all other colonial powers’ colonies had almost no indegenes.) made the british empire great.
Indians are not Aryans. Aryans never existed. Arya was a title, that different ethnicities in different regions at different periods of time used to describe themselves and for different reasons. Not even the ethnicities but the leaders of the group did that. And internalised it into their group.
i support repuhaytchuhns…
paid by blacks to whites.
zimbabwe is just the beginning.
https://www.iol.co.za/news/africa/zimbabwe-to-start-paying-thousands-of-white-farmers-compensation-20788094
https://www.iol.co.za/news/africa/zimbabwe-to-start-paying-thousands-of-white-farmers-compensation-20788094
i remember when the fake news media described southpark as just gross, lower class, etc. like the dukes of hazard or hee-haw…
miami vice was also a show which was ridiculed by people who’d never seen it.
it’s producer/director was a jew, but he grokked that people want to see beauty.
that is, miami vice is up there with a dozen or fewer genuinely great tv series.
because ridiculous but BEAUTIFUL.
i’m not just talking about don “the ultimate pretty boy” johnson. it’s the whole schmear. (the yiddish is to make pill paranoid.)
its
sad!
Pumpkin, on the similarities test, would you lose around a point on the 3rd retest if you’d lose 4 points on the 1st retest (the 2nd test taken) for practice effect?
mann’s Heat is the second best of the 90s after Goodfellas because…
the smart criminal is sort of the most beautiful person there is.
not good.
not useful.
BEAUTIFUL.
the gangsta who has no chance of being caught is incredibly attractive.
beta men can’t blame women for that!
mann’s Heat is the second best of the 90s after Goodfellas because…
the smart criminal is sort of the most beautiful person there is./
not good.
not useful.
BEAUTIFUL.
men complaining about how women aren’t attracted to them because women are shallow, stupid, and evil is kinda pathetic.
i mean, even if it were true…why would you say it thousands of times?
btw, it is true.
notice pill has NEVER talked about his medications specifically.
very suspicious.
This comment makes me think you need medication.
it’s been interesting to me since i was at most 14 how jim morrison passed his sexiness to ted bundy.
think about it!
If you give this man a ride
Sweet family will die
Killer on the road
before morrison died, bundy hadn’t even started killing.
1971 (morrison dies) to 1974 (bundy starts killing).
coincidence?
david icke told me it wasn’t.
the only explanation is…
RUSSIA!
What’s the practice effect for Similarities according to the WAIS IV manual? Also, if you didn’t get those instructions in the beginning, would you essentially show no practice effect?
The practice effect was 0.17 SD. Even without those special instructions there might be some practice effect because when tested on a different day, you might have a fresh perspective on questions that had previously stumped you
So, Pumpkin, say you did the similarities test 3-4, would you start showing pretty much zero practice effect, since the initial practice effect is so low?
I would guess something like the practice effect gets cut in half each time so 0.17 SD increase on the second testing & then an additional 0.085 SD increase on the third testing & then an additional increase of 0.0425 SD increase on the fourth etc
I’m speculating though
Pumpkin, wouldn’t you always have a fresh brain for Similarities since it’s the first subtest administered? Also, by how much does a fresh brain really increase a subtest based on fluidity, unlike the WM tests?
Pumpkin, in your opinion would you say that having a preference for cartoons in late adolescence and onward indicates a low IQ? They are, after all, meant to be visually appealing, and not always intellectually appealing, unless you count adult shows like Duckman, Rick and Morty, etc.
Consuming media meant for kids is likely a sign of low IQ, but as you say, some cartoons are meant for adults (i.e. South Park)
True. I wonder is there has been a study done on this.
Also Pumpkin, what do you think of the fact that Edmund Kemper allegedly had an IQ of 145 when measured at the Atascadero State Prison (136 as a 15-year old)? Do you think it’s accurate? He did evade the police for over 4 years, and took advantage of many situations. On his 21st birthday, he figured out how the Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory worked and used it to manipulate the psychologist into declaring him legally sane and fit for the public world. However, he was diagnosed as a schizophrenic, which negatively correlates with IQ.
Good question. He’s a fascinating case. I should do an article on him
Anyone who watches Rick and Morty has a high IQ. If your IQ is low you won’t understand it.
You’re being sarcastic right?
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/to-be-fair-you-have-to-have-a-very-high-iq-to-understand-rick-and-morty
Ok. I wasn’t entirely sure you were using the copypasta because you shortened it and tone can be difficult to discern over text
More meme wars when will they end
I love low Social IQ people, because they’re like me! Lol.
So, Pumpkin, say for instance you take 3 different Visual Puzzles tests, you get the scores 7,8, & 9. You take another test that tests the same type of spatial reasoning, with consistent scores of 9, multiple times, 3-4 times, would 9 be the real score?
Would misanthropes be low Social IQ folks?
Consistent scores of 9 as in 45th percentile, which I believe is equal to a 9.
My impression about progeria people is that they are above avg in intelligence.
Pumpkin- if you get three different scores on the similarities subtest, but the Verbal SAT score lines up with one consistently, then is the score that lines up with the Verbal SAT the true one?
Also, in the norming samples originally, how “fresh” were they? I’d assume they’d take people who were in the best of conditions.
Not nessecarily because the verbal SAT & similarities don’t measure exactly the same thing
But they measure something very similar don’t they? The comprehension still measures verbal reasoning, the grammar section probably only measures crystallized intelligence though.
To Rahul- Analogies were removed from the SAT in 2005.
To Aden- But the reading comprehension section still exists, there’s definitely a lot of logical reasoning that goes into that, because you have to make a lot of inferences and there’s also some vocab in context questions, and you have to grasp the big picture of the story to get the right answers.
That is true. Also, the math portion can be thought of as having more of a verbal g-loading since the questions are more like word problems and you have to reason yourself through them. The non-calculator section might require some abstract thinking as well, which is what the VCI aims to measure. Overall, I’d say that the composite score (not just verbal) might be a good proxy for the Information and Vocabulary subtests.
thinking the right decision in heller might’ve been the decision. but again, not for any of the reasons adduced by the incompetent scalia.
that is, it is true that the arms which are allowed are no match for the military, BUT…
as the US experience in iraq and the french experience in algeria and the experience of WW II’s partisans prove…
while such allowed arms aren’t enough to win battles, they can be enough to maintain an insurgency…
that is, winning on the battlefield is not winning when the people are against you.
thinking the right decision in heller might’ve been the decision. but again, not for any of the reasons adduced by the incompetent scalia.
that is, it is true that the arms which are allowed are no match for the military, BUT…
as the US experience in iraq and the french experience in algeria and the experience of WW II’s partisans prove…
while such allowed arms aren’t enough to win battles, they can be enough to maintain an insurgency…
that is, winning on the battlefield is not winning when the people are against you./
Scalia got ONE thing right, and that was the operative clause of the Second Amendment doesn’t only apply to state militias.
The opinion could’ve been 1 page long and structured as follows:
I. The prefatory clause doesn’t limit the scope of the operative clause
II. “the people” applies to all citizens
III. “keep and bear arms” doesn’t have a uniquely military meaning (check any 18th century dictionary)
IV. Thus, all citizens have the right to possess at least some type of firearm.
V. Restricting certain types of firearms is OK because the amendment doesn’t say you can’t
Easy. Of course, he had to make it 60 pages long, and almost all of it is completely irrelevant.
Instead of doing a textualist argument why hasnt anyone bothered to see what the founders directly thought of a population that was armed? Surely there must be debates about it in tye federalist papers. They debated almost everything else.
My inclination is that they meant for wveryone to be armed because they were scared of the british returning. Im quite open t the idea liberals are right that this reason is now archaic in light of subsequent technological and political developments.
Also original intent clearly shows that seperate but equal was what they wanted not what rabbi tim wanted. plessy stands.
What’s scary to me is that someone so cruel and deviant made his way onto a Top Influential Brits list in the first place. I don’t care what his IQ was.
And the name of the list is GREATEST britons of all time so a large number of brits consider him incredibly great
Even scarier! I guess I just find it difficult to respect animal abusers and racists.
That side to his personality might not be known to the people voting
Evil racists must be purged from the world!
Theres an australian rigby player who is going to be sacked for saying gods olans for gays is hell. Thats his religious beliefs why are they discriminating against him?!Btw folau is a really good player.
So apparently you can now discriminate against people for their religion. as a social justice warrior i am angry
Being a judge is basically being the secular version of a minister or priest. In older days the priests adjudicated moral matters in society. That being so it comes down to the definition of what a good chrisian is. You either believe in it or you dont and start making stuff up like that idiot swank wants for his own ethnic interests.
I agree that christianity or islam or whatever is arbitrary and a pr exercise but you cant make stuff up especially if the vast majority of people believe in it.
Theres is literally 0 evidence in the founders writings that they felt blacks were equal to white republican landowners. The only people that started thinking lile that were danish people that were allowed go into the ivy league starting in tye late 50s as kevin mcdonald has shown.
The (((danish people))) tend to rely more on the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment to push their agenda, whose writers also didn’t believe in racial equality, but were a bit less hard core than the founders. The 14th was meant to make the constitution apply equally to everyone.
You’re right about Plessy. There’s no constitutional right to a first class train ticket. There also isn’t a right to sodomy, or a right for girls to play little league baseball.