I would imagine that a lot of these black entertainers are VERY intelligent
-J. Philippe Rushton 1943-2012
IQ tests aim to measure all of intelligence with just a single number, but Howard Gardner famously argued there was not one, but seven different intelligences, each one having is own Genius:
Linguistic (Shakespeare)
Logical-Mathematical (Newton)
Spatial (Wright Brothers)
Musical (Mozart)
Body-Kinesthetic (Bruce Lee)
Intrapersonal (Buddha)
Interpersonal (Oprah)
Some of these abilities may load too much on physicality (body-kinesthetic) or personality (intrapersonal) to seem appropriate for an IQ test. Others may seem too narrow or specific (musical) to measure the broad adaptability we associate with the word “intelligence”.
Because IQ tests typically only directly measure the first two or three of these domains, yet still claim to measure all of intelligence, it’s fascinating to ask what would be the IQ of someone brilliant enough to qualify as a Genius in two of these domains, especially two of those domains not directly measured by IQ tests.
Perhaps one such person is Michael Jackson. Jackson’s musical Genius is shown by the fact that he largely composed the songs of Thriller, which reigned as the best selling album of all time for three decades.
In a court appearance, Jackson explained how he composes music, simulating musical instruments with his voice:
His bodily-kinesthetic genius is shown by Fred Astaire calling him the greatest dancer of the 20th century and Gene Kelley praising his “native histrionic intelligence”.
So powerful was Jackson’s rare combination of musical and kinesthetic Genius that while only a young child, he propelled himself and his lower class family to fame and fortune by leading the Jackson 5, and was already being compared to James Brown for his dazzling stage moves and incredible singing range. Jackson has always maintained that his musical and dancing talents were natural. When journalist Martin Bashir asked Jackson if anyone taught him, he replied “no, you can’t teach that”.
The money started pouring in. By the 1980s, Jackson was packing stadiums full of hysterical screaming fainting fans of every race all over the World. Unthinkable of for a black man in that era. By now he was making money on top of money and was so worshiped by his fans that when he’d get plastic surgery, they would too and when Jackson was accused of crimes, they would travel thousands of miles to harass his accusers. At his peak, Jackson was a deity, his bleached skin glowing like a Hindu God.
And yet for all his talent, wealth and adulation, Jackson would spend the final years of his life in exile, unwelcome in the U.S., hiding under a burqa in Bahrain, laughed at on late night TV, shunned by other stars, prank called on radio, trapped by debt and dubbed “Wacko Jacko” by the British press.
Like Leonardo da Vinci, another multi-domain Genius who would reject social norms, Jackson was accused of homosexual crimes in a court of law (settling out of court for tens of millions the first time, winning in court the second time).
And yet despite such disturbing developments, the power of Jackson’s talent was so great that when he died at age 50, the whole World slipped into mass hysteria with people crying on the streets from Toronto to Tokyo, the internet crashing, stars paying tribute, and his music playing everywhere. So powerful was Jackson’s death that it upstaged the election of the first black President, causing some fans to complain that Obama, (who declined to make an official statement) was jealous.
So what was his IQ?
This is a very tricky question to answer because Jackson was a man of contradictions. On the one-hand described as a street-smart, multi-talented Genius, but on the other hand, pitied as childlike and naive.
PART 1: EVIDENCE OF HIGH IQ
Wealth and status
Jackson showed great adaptability in that despite growing up poor and black during an era of great racial prejudice, he went on to become one of the richest and most worshiped people in America, revered by millions around the World including show business royalty like Elizabeth Taylor and Fred Astaire.
Publicist Bob Jones would stand in awe that all those white fans would pay money to see a black man. Unheard of at the time.
Then Jackson did what no one thought a black man could ever do. Zack O’Malley Greenburg writes:
In 1985, he shelled out $47.5 million to buy a publishing catalog that included 250 Beatles songs. Ten years later Sony paid Jackson $90 million for half the rights, forming a joint venture called Sony/ATV.
Today, the Jackson estate and Sony share ownership of the catalog, which now boasts half a million songs including titles by Bob Dylan, Elvis Presley, Eminem and other artists. Insiders place the catalog’s value somewhere in the neighborhood of $1.5 billion, based on estimated proceeds of $50 million to $100 million per year. The estimate marks a 3,000% increase in value from the catalog’s initial purchase price — better than the 1,650% return on Class A shares of Warren Buffett’s Berkshire Hathaway since 1990.
General impressions
Additional evidence of Jackson’s high IQ comes from the subjective impressions of those who knew him best.
In a 1993 interview, Elizabeth Taylor told Oprah that Jackson was “highly intelligent”, “shrewd”, and “intuitive”.
According to Steven Spielberg:
He’s in full control. Sometimes he appears to other people to be wavering on the fringe of twilight, but there is great conscious forethought behind everything he does. He is definitely a man of two personalities.
From Michael Jackson Unauthorized by Christopher Andersen
According to one member of his staff:
He has a split personality. He is very bright and self-destructively brilliant. He has an extremely high IQ and certain quirks and personality disorders. He might have six or twenty sides of him, and they’re all competing against each other.
From Michael Jackson Unauthorized by Christopher Andersen
This quote is insightful because it explains how even though intelligence is cognitive adaptability, smart people can be maladaptive if they have competing goals to adapt to.
Alleged evil genius
Evan Chandler, the father of Jackson’s first sexual abuse accuser, Jordy, felt he was a master-manipulator and one of the “smartest streetwise people” he’d “ever met, and if you sit down and have any long conversations with him…that guy is extremely bright.”
Evan was quoted in his brother Raymond’s book as saying Jackson would deny child molestation in a “little-boy voice” but that “his smile was chilling…the entire world had been fooled by this pitiful creature with a brilliant but criminal mind”
“He knew what he was doing,” said Jimmy Safechuck , a 40-year-old computer programmer who claims he was molested by Jackson as a boy in HBO’s new documentary Leaving Neverland. “He has a way of sensing weakness in families. He has a really good sense of people and can read people really well. First, I think he’s physically attracted to the kid, and then he reads the family and just knows how to work it”
If Jackson was indeed guilty of these horrific crimes, it’s most remarkable that in a country where black men were lynched for just looking at a white man’s woman sexually, that a black man could actually molest the white males themselves, and so blatantly and when they tried to complain, their reputations were lynched by Jackson’s fans. In a sick way, Jackson may have been quite cunning in turning the racial tables so completely, so soon after the civil rights movement.
After Jackson held a boy on his lap while sitting next to the Prince of Monoco at an award show and continued to flout his critics by traveling with boys after being accused of molestation, the message was clear according to journalist Diane Diamond: You can’t stop me. I’m Michael Jackson
High IQ physique
As I’ve previously discussed, weight/height ratio is negatively correlated with IQ, so Jackson’s low body mass index at death (5’9″ 136 lbs) is very mildly indicative of high IQ
PART 2: EVIDENCE OF LOW IQ
Bad judgement
Contrary to the business savvy, street smart man described above, Jackson showed incredibly bad judgement in the final decades of his life. He gave journalist Martin Bashir unprecedented access to his personal life, naively trusting him to to do a flattering documentary, only to find himself portrayed as a pedophile, leading to criminal charges. Contrary to the master manipulator described by Evan Chandler, it seemed Jackson was the one who got played.
He used further bad judgement in dangling his baby from a balcony to placate screaming fans who wanted to see it, spending hundreds of millions of dollars on high interest credit, bizarrely covering his children’s faces with masks to hide their identity, and using propofol as a sleeping aid, causing his early death.
How does one reconcile such bad judgement with the artistic and business savvy he showed early in his career? Oprah has argued that by seldom attending high school, he missed out on the socialization process. J.P. Rushton also blamed socialization, telling me that eminent blacks may fall from grace because they never learned white middle class norms. Others argue that by constantly being catered to, he began to see himself as untouchable and invincible. Some have even suggested he had schizophrenia or autism (a disorder in which some have islands of Genius despite social retardation) however this explanation is hard to square with Evan Chandler’s description of Jackson as a master manipulator. One possibility is that his judgement was impaired by extreme drug use.
Extremely childish
In her book The Secret: The Story of Brilliant, Beautiful, Handicapped, Michael Jackson special education teacher Patricia Eddington argues that despite being extremely gifted on the right-side of the brain, the left-side of his brain is like a young child’s.
In support of her provocative theory she cites, among other things, the fact that he had hundreds of children sleep in his bed and hung out with them playing with water balloons and giving them babyish nicknames, cries all the time, is lonely all the time, blows kisses, covers his mouth in public, started an “Apple Head Club” and was nicknamed Apple Head (and Doo Doo head) through his life, waved to the audience after being severely burned, lived with his parents until 27, stated “that’s not nice, right?” at age 45, had manikins in his room and a secret room with rag dolls and Peter Pan sheets, had three hour phone calls to a child, was best friends with Bubbles the Chimp and brought him to a formal tea party, told a person in labor not to curse but to say “shoot”and “fudge”, owns statues of Pinocchio and Mickey Mouse, said “I always want to play hide and seek”, claimed he could have healed Hitler, said “I’d be walking around holding these baby dolls and I’d be crying”, called a music executive “very very devilish”, and said “I’m the one who looks stinky”.
According to director Brett Ratner, Jackson put on an incredible hulk mask, and through a water balloon at a homeless man from his limo. According to testimony, Jackson would throw stones at the lion in his private zoo, just to make it roar.
Alleged racial prejudice
Some studies suggest racism is a sign of low IQ.
Although Jackson’s incredible talents and success helped blacks to gain social acceptance in the racist 1980s, there are claims that he may have dramatically altered his skin colour and facial features to look white and didn’t want black kids, and reportedly described blacks as “splaboos” and/or “spabooks” according to Bob Jones and journalist Maureen Orth respectively. Jackson however denied racial self-hatred, claiming his vitiligo is genetic.
But when facing legal trouble, Jackson was not above playing the race card according to journalist Roger Friedman:
Jackson, according to my sources, knew he was in trouble after the
arrest in November 2003—not so much with the police but with the
public. My sources insist that he called his inner circle together and
said, “We have to push the ‘red’ button.” His idea was to create
sympathy for himself by inventing a race war of some kind. “He wanted
it to be like O.J., a black vs. white issue,” says my source. “He
wanted the black community to burn down police stations, riot and
protest if they [the police and authorities] went against him.”
Brain size
At autopsy, Jackson’s brain weight at age 50 in 2009 was 1380 g. By contrast white and black men (average age 60) averaged 1392 g and 1286 g respectively circa 1980.
PART 3: STATISTICALLY EXPECTED IQ
Since IQ correlates positively with all mental abilities, including those not directly measured by IQ tests, it’s interesting to ask “what is the statistically expected IQ of the greatest black musical and kinesthetic Genius of the boomer generation?”
At their peak, there were 78.8 million boomers and perhaps 11.67% were black. If Jackson was arguably the greatest black musical and the greatest black body-kinesthetic Genius of his generation, he would have been in the top one in 9.2 million level among black Americans (+5.2 standard deviations on a normalized curve) in both domains.
However great achievement requires more than just raw talent. It also helps to have 10,000 hours of practice, among other things. Raw talent seems to explain 66% to 70% of the variance in various cognitive performance, suggesting talent correlates 0.82 with performance. Thus we might guess Jackson was 0.82(+5.2 SD) = +4.3 SD above the U.S. black mean in both domains.
Musical ability correlates about 0.59 with IQ so we’d expect black Americans with Jackson’s musical gifts to average 0.59(+4.3 SD) = +2.5 SD above their mean. When the U.S. white distribution is set to have a mean and SD of 100 and 15 respectively, black Americans average about 85 (SD 15) so blacks as musically gifted as Jackson would average IQs of 2.5(15) + 85 = 123.
Similarly, physical coordination correlates 0.35 with IQ so black Americans as kinesthetically gifted as Jackson would average 0.35(+4.3 SD) = 1.5 standard deviations above the black mean of 85, which is IQ 108.
What would be the expected IQ of a black American who was +5.2 SD in both domains? If we assume musical and kinesthetic ability are only correlated because of their shared correlation with IQ (0.59 and 0.35 respectively), then we assume their correlation is the product of both numbers (0.21) which means their joint independent predictive power is as follows (hat-tip to a Promethean who taught me this math so very long ago):
IQ = 0.54(musical talent) + 0.24(kinesthetic talent) above black mean
IQ =0.54(+4.3 SD) + 0.24(+4.3 SD) above black mean
IQ = 2.3 SD + 1.0 SD above black mean
IQ = 3.3 SD above black mean
IQ =3.3(15) + 85
IQ = 135
Note, this was not nessessarily Jackson’s actual IQ, it’s simply the average IQ you’d expect from African Americans with such spectacular musical and bodily-kinesthetic achievements. In part 4 we’ll try to see how close the statistical prediction came to the psychometric reality.
PART 4: ESTIMATED PSYCHOMETRIC DATA
To my knowledge, no actual IQ scores or achievement scores obtained by Jackson have ever been publicly revealed. However from various writings, drawings, and anecdotes, it might be possible to reconstruct how he would have scored on IQ type tests.
Estimated verbal knowledge IQ 98 (average range)
Biographer Christopher P. Andersen writes about Jackson playing the scarecrow in The Wiz (a 1978 black version of The Wizard of Oz):
Michael might have seemed typecast as the Scarecrow, a good-natured but dim-witted character who is searching for a brain. As he neared adulthood, it was becoming increasingly clear to Michael that his formal education was sadly lacking. And never more so than, while filming a scene, he unintentionally broke up the crew during rehearsals by pronouncing Socrates “So-crates” (as in packing Crates”). From the wings, Quincy Jones whispered the correct pronunciation–much to Michael’s relief.
Anybody who spent time with Michael soon realized that his inability to pronounce the names of ancient Greek philosophers was not his only failing. No one, for example, had ever bothered to teach him how to eat with utensils. Rock journalist Timothy White recalled what it was like to dine with Michael and two record company executives at an elegant French restaurant in Manhattan. “When his Caesar salad is placed before him, he looks down at the plate and begins eating each dripping leaf with his spidery fingers, oily dressing accumulating on the table cloth.
Michael, tucking his napkin into the collar of his T-shirt, then whispered to the waiter, “What’s qweech?” When the quiche lorraine arrived, Michael “stabs his fingers into the steaming wedge, gathers up a gooey hunk, and begins gobbling it off his palm. ‘It’s like ham and eggs!'”
When he wasn’t “licking his gooey knuckles,” Michael also displayed an alarming ignorance of current events during this particularly revealing meal. He admitted that he had no idea what Watergate was all about. “It was terrible wasn’t it?” he said. “I guess it was. Have you met Nixon? Is he happy? I saw him on TV last year, and he looked so unhappy!”
When someone at the table alluded to the president Jimmy Carter’s White House predecessor, an incredulous Michael gasped, “Excuse me? Vice President Ford was a president? Really? Boy, I gotta keep up on these things!”
Michael Jackson Unauthorized by Christopher Andersen
Elsewhere in the book Andersen notes that an adult Jackson did not know who James Dean was, couldn’t define the word “mystique” and claims Norman Winter was flabbergasted that despite pushing thirty and spending a quarter of his life in show business, Jackson had never heard of Greta Garbo.
“The guy never grew up,” said Winters. ” That doesn’t mean he’s not bright. He is, but there is so much he doesn’t know.”
I too have noticed Jackson’s lack of knowledge. When Jesse Jackson asked him if he was “stung” by child molestation accusations, Jackson seemed baffled by that word in that context. In a discussion with rabbi Shmuley Boteach, he didn’t know what a “secular Jew” was.
According to blogger Sam L Parity, Jackson could not spell the word “pen” in a handwritten note he left.
Jackson’s lack of general knowledge is important because in most versions of the Wechsler intelligence scales, general knowledge correlates very highly with overall IQ.
On the other hand the correlation may not apply in Jackson’s case. Most low IQ people have poor general knowledge in part because they dropped out of school, but Jackson missed out on school not because he couldn’t hack it, but because he was so talented he didn’t need it.
It’s even possible that Jackson exaggerated his ignorance at times, to fit his childlike persona. Jackson’s childlike voice, for example, was an affectation and behind the scenes was quite manly.
Biographer J. Randy Taraborelli writes:
When in private school, which occurred from time to time between touring, Michael was bored by his studies, refused to do his homework, and was a terrible student. When called upon for an answer, Michael didn’t have a clue as to what was going on, and he didn’t care…Though technically graduated, the three younger Jacksons certainly did not obtain a good grounding in basic subjects…To this day, each has problems with penmanship, grammar, and (Michael in particular) spelling. They also lack a sense of history, except that which they managed to pick up during their travels.
MICHAEL JACKSON The Magic, the Madness, the Whole Story, 1958-2009 by J. Randy Taraborrelli
In response to his critics, Jackson sent the following handwritten letter to People magazine in 1987.
Like the old Indian proverb says, do not judge a man until you’ve walked 2 moons in his moccosins [sic].
Most people don’t know me, that is why they write such things in wich [sic] most is not true. I cry very very often because it hurts and I worry about the children, all my children all over the world, I live for them.
If a man could say nothing against a character but what he could prove, history could not be written. Animals strike not from malice but because they want to live, it is the same with those who criticize, they desire our blood not our pain. But still I must achieve. I must seek truth in all things. I must endure for the power I was sent forth, for the world for the children. But have mercy, for I’ve been bleeding a long time now.
letter by Michael Jackson, published in People magazine
Biographer Christopher Anderson wrote that the letter showed Jackson’s writing skills to be scarcely above a 10-year-old’s, however I wanted a more objective assessment. According to a Flesh-Kincaid analysis, his letter is written at a grade 5.83 level.
A Promethean once suggested, half seriously, that one could crudely estimate IQ from writing samples by doing a Flesch-Kincaid grade level calculation. Since the average American adult reads at an 8th grade level, that might reflect an IQ around 100.
In 2016, I created the following formula for convert reading level to IQ:
IQ = 62.333+4.333(reading level)
If we assume Jackson’s reading level was no higher than his writing level, which seems like a reasonable assumption based on the low verbal knowledge his biographers have described, this formula gives an IQ equivalent of 88 (white norms), but U.S. blacks who came of age prior to the 1980s scored the equivalent of 10 IQ points below their potential on reading tests, and this would have been especially true for Jackson who missed so much school. Thus his reading IQ (a proxy for verbal knowledge) is adjusted to 98.
Estimated Draw-a-Person IQ 191 (profoundly gifted)
Originally developed by Florence Goodenough in 1926, Draw-a-Person is one of the oldest and simplest IQ tests. It was based on the observation that as children develop intellectually, their drawings become increasingly complex, accurate and detailed.
Michael Jackson left behind many sketches, though only those of the full human figure can be scored. I chose to score a painting he did at age nine of Charlie Chaplin, since the test seems most valid in young children.
Using the point scale Jackson’s drawing scored 58 out of 73 which equated to a deviation IQ of 146 for nine-year-old boys drawing men.
However for rapid evaluation, the Goodenough-Harris test also includes a quality scale where the examiner can rate the drawing on a scale of 1 to 12 by comparing it to a succession of very primitive (level 1) to very advanced (level 12) drawings.
Jackson’s drawing was clearly level 12+ but because the test does not permit IQs much beyond 160, no IQ equivalent is provided for nine-year-old boys scoring above level 11 (IQ 153).
Nonetheless, when I asked readers to rate Jackson’s drawing (along with several others) on the Goodenough-Harris quality scale (without telling them who drew it) and also allowed them to extend the scale to levels beyond 12, the median rating was 15!
When I compared this to the sex-combined distribution for nine-year-olds in the tests norming sample, Jackson was six standard deviations above the mean!
Of course the norms are based on a scale where the highest score is 12, but so few children would have scored 12+ had the scale extended that my extension is unlikely to invalidate the norms. +6 SD equates to an IQ of 190 (U.S. norms), and perhaps 191 (white norms). No need to adjust for the Flynn effect since Jackson drew the picture in the 1960s (when the test was normed).
Although technically a deviation IQ based on an interval scale, it does not necessarily imply one in a billion level ability, because the scale lacks precision (big jumps in IQ between levels) and scores have not been forced to fit the bell curve, though I suspect drawing ability has a naturally normal distribution among biologically normal (i.e. non-savant) people with no special training.
Estimated Math IQ 109 (average range)
Jackson’s brother Jermaine writes the following:
Michael ended his school years at Cal Prep, where, in art classes he sketched version after version of Charlie Chaplin. One of his classmates was a girl called Lori Shapiro: she quietly observed my brother immersed in his drawings, then scrunching them up and throwing them away. “Michael,” she said one day, “that drawing of Charlie Chaplin? Before you ball it up, can I have it?”
“Sure he said, signing his name in black felt tip and handing it over.
But Michael knew that a favor deserves its return. He hated algebra and he knew Lori was “the brains.” So sitting near her desk, he swapped math books with her when the teacher wasn’t looking and she worked out his x + y = z. I reckon Lori was the chief reason he got an A grade in math!
You are Not Alone by Jermaine Jackson (pg 151)
In his book, Bias in Mental Testing, Arthur Jensen noted that succeeding in academic or college preparatory curriculum through high school almost always requires an IQ of 105 (at least circa 1980, the year book was published). Jackson attended Cal Prep in 1976, and from his brother’s description, it sounds like his IQ was only barely 105 when it comes to math. High enough to to get an A, but largely through cheating and perhaps celebrity favoritism.
However in those day, U.S. blacks scored at least 4 points below their potential on math tests, so Jackson’s math IQ is adjusted to 109.
Estimated Spatial IQ 76 (borderline retarded)
According to blogger Sam L Parity, who claims to have worked at a record studio in 1989:
I guess I should mention at this point that Michael is an awful driver. He hit everyone’s car in the studio lot at least once, including mine. One time, he rear-ended a guy on the 101 freeway, and just left the scene because the guy got out of his car and started screaming at him. Eventually, he gave up and got someone to drive him in to work every day.
Jackson’s poor driving skills were further confirmed by his mother Katherine who wrote in her book My Family, The Jacksons that he did not get his driver’s licence until 23, and that the first time he took family members driving, his terrified sister Latoya tried desperately to help him keep the car on the road. He also feared going on freeways in the beginning and had a habit of “driving right up to the car in front and stopping on a dime”.
Biographer Taraborerelli reports that in 1981, Jackson offered to drive singer Mikey Free home, but Free had to parallel park because Jackson couldn’t do so.
Circa 1983, 91.8% of 20 to 24-year-old Americans had driver’s licences, according to a study by Michael Sivak and Brandon Schoettle at the University of Michigan Transportation Research Institute . This implies that at most, being able to drive required one to be at the 8.2 percentile of U.S. spatial ability (IQ 79 U.S. norms)(IQ 76 white norms). By all accounts, Jackson only barely made the cut, perhaps even benefiting from star struck examiners when taking his driver’s test.
Arthur Jensen noted that when controlling for the general intelligence factor, blacks tend to score worst on tasks calling for spatial visualization. If you believe IQ is cultural, this could be because of lack of exposure to white middle class toys, but if you believe it’s genetic, it may be that whites evolved more spatial ability to make warm structures, tight clothes, good hunting tools and large fires to survive the ice age.
Further evidence of Jackson’s poor driving skills comes from the documentary Living with Michael Jackson. Martin Bashir observes Jackson playing a video game and says he’d hate to see him drive a car.
During Jackson’s child molestation trial, Macaulay Culkin testified that Jackson was not as good at video games as the children he played with:
He liked playing the arcade games. Though he wasn’t as good as us, usually, but, you know, he still enjoyed doing it, because, you know, it was one of those things.
court transcript, May 11, 2005
On a perhaps related note, Frank Cascio writes:
Michael was, as I saw many times, shockingly bad at sports. I could never understand that. Here was the guy with the most extraordinary sense of rhythm in the world. . .and he couldn’t even dribble a basketball properly. He said he was even worse at baseball.
My Friend Michael by Frank Cascio
Estimated verbal fluency IQ 140 (very brilliant)
When convincing Evan Chandler of the educational value of letting his son Jordy miss school to travel the World with Jackson, Jackson showed unexpected fluency and erudition, according to the boy’s uncle:
“He’ll learn about things he could never learn in school,” the star said. “He’ll learn about music, art, and history. He’ll meet the greatest minds in the world!” Michael went on, espousing like an old wise man about the places he’d been and the people he met. He was talking about unparalleled learning experiences, including exclusive tours of the world’s greatest cities and the opportunity to meet and converse with the most powerful and successful people in their fields. Milken, Chopra, McCartney — the names fell from his lips like rain drops — a downpour from an international “Who’s Who.”
Evan became entranced, not only by the content of the oration, but also by the power of the orator. It was a side of this childlike man he never expected to see. “He could carry on an intelligent discussion on a wide range of subjects, from classics to cartoons.”
All THAT GLITTERS The Crime and the Cover-Up by Raymond Chandler
I know exactly what they mean by “names fell from his lips like rain drops.” In the below the clip where Jackson talks about his musical influences, notice the speed and fluency with which he retrieves names (and his shrewdness in praising Africa, since he was talking to a black show while on trial):
The ability to rapidly retrieve information from a certain category of long-term memory is known as verbal fluency and has long been part of IQ tests. Questions like “name 60 words in 3 minutes” were part of the Binet-Simon intelligence test.
With the exception of Bill Clinton, it’s hard to imagine even any any living U.S. president showing as much verbal fluency as Jackson shows in the above clip. On a scale where U.S. whites average 100 (SD 15), U.S. presidents seem to average 130 (SD 12), so for Jackson to rank above the top 20% of the latter, implies a fluency IQ of 140.
Estimated composite IQ 133 (Brilliant)
Given a verbal knowledge IQ of 98, a Draw-a-person IQ of 191, a math IQ of 109, a spatial IQ of 76 and a verbal fluency IQ of 140, Jackson appeared to have been cognitively averaging at the 123 level (+1.53 SD). However because it’s much harder to average at a high level on many abilities than it is to score high on any single one, people who averaged +1.53 SD on the subtests of the WISC-R IQ test obtained full-scale IQs of 133.
A composite IQ of 133 is almost exactly what you’d statistically expect from the greatest musical and kinesthetic black Genius of Jackson’s generation (see part 3) and shows that high IQ predicts worldly success, even among people with very little formal schooling.
Bruno said:
The wide adaptative definition of intelligence gives Michael Jackson the same IQ than Einstein and Kasparov 🙂
Billy said:
Einstein? Well, Kasparov “only” has an IQ of 135. It may be a wide definition, but it encompasses success that we’d expect from a 98th percentile.
RaceRealist said:
“As I’ve previously discussed, weight/height ratio is negatively correlated with IQ, so Jackson’s low body mass index at death (5’9″ 136 lbs) is very mildly indicative of high IQ”
JayMan is clueless. I guess JayMan has a low IQ since he’s an obese black man.
RaceRealist said:
BMI is useless for people like me because it doesn’t take into account muscle mass. (And especially elite bodybuilders.) I’ll discuss this more later. HBD = reducing complex social phenomena to genes and IQ, as JayMan—gene-determinist—does.
RaceRealist said:
“You have no choice but to be fat!! Free will doesn’t exist and you’re slaves to your genes!!!” Don’t make me laugh.
RaceRealist said:
Some exhibits on JayMan’s idiocy regarding diet and exercise.
And my favorite, JayMan’s idiotic claims that exercise “doesn’t work” for certain people.
Bonus: James Thompson claims “diet is an IQ test”. Hahaha
It’d be funny if it weren’t so sad. Especially for JayMan.
OPRAH-ME [THE TRUE PHILOSOPHER] ESSENTIAL AESTHETICS PREVAIL's said:
People don’t understand that genetics can be malleable, it’s all dependent of what trait we are talking about. Some fat people truly lost weight when they want, but another people can’t do it.
OPRAH-ME [THE TRUE PHILOSOPHER] ESSENTIAL AESTHETICS PREVAIL's said:
”JayMan is clueless. I guess JayMan has a low IQ since he’s an obese black man.”
I don’t think if he is slave of his genes..
If the truth is so easy for you what it’s not for him*
pumpkinperson said:
I don’t doubt there’s a small negative correlation between IQ & BMI. You don’t even need an HBD explanation, you can argue social class.
RaceRealist said:
Almost busted my ass on snow and ice this morning. But due to my high NMC and reaction time, I planted my left hand down and planted my feet on the ground and saved my ass.
Thinking Mouse said:
lol
LOADED said:
I even took an ancient ancestry test. About 4% Bell-Beaker, 2% Papuan. Shit’s insane.
LOADED said:
I would believe in a God if he was made into a realistic version of what could transpire. Basically, God has to be watching us like Santa, and then not interacting with others or necessarily reading our intents.
LOADED said:
I’m 36.2 Indus River valley civilization.
LOADED said:
percent.
LOADED said:
What do you guys think of the war between India and Pakistan? I hope it leads to major eugenics in that area.
LOADED said:
We have so many high T people, it’s almost impossible for society to exist. Alphas ruin societies. Betas benefit it tremendously. But who wins?
caffeine withdrawals said:
Betas behave themselves, but they’re DUMB. They’ll support any consensus with fanatical devotion.
They’re the types that want holocaust denial laws and mandatory “wellness weeks.”
LOADED said:
Agreed, but I’m a beta?
RaceRealist said:
If you have to ask then yes you are.
LOADED said:
Alphas only one want one thing: resources. Betas actually achieve it.
Name said:
Alphas are the ones who mobilize betas to do stuff like nation building.
There are good alphas. That said there are also bad alphas. There are also good betas and also bad betas. Gammas, omegas . Men, women, children. White,black, brown, yellow.
LOADED said:
Whites are striving too hard to be alphas when they should be content being betas. So should Asians. Blacks have betas too, but to a lesser degree.
The key to getting a girl is knowing an inside joke. Inside jokes are brilliant, dude!`
caffeine withdrawals said:
Even more important that being witty is being predictable. If women can’t easily categorize you, forget it.
They love surprises—as long as they’re contrived.
LOADED said:
Yes, mysteriousness is essential. Try to be out of the ordinary without conjuring up too much attention. Be as low-key as you can about it too.
Billy said:
I refuse to believe this nonsense, that Michael Jackson was a pedophile.
The Social Justice Warrior said:
Well the documentary has 3 guys come forward that say the same types of stories. Its not something someone would make up about themselves and accuse someone dead of.
I don’t know if he was a paedo 100% for sure, but I do know he was homosexual. That was obvious.
caffeine withdrawals said:
W.r.t to the People Mag letter, I think you’re selling Jackson short. Sure, the spelling is off and it’s syntactically unsophisticated, but I think the letter shows a good deal of emotional sophistication. Comparing critics to animals attacking prey to survive? I doubt your average public school ninth grader has that kind of “verbal knowledge,” let alone someone just starting middle school.
Also, bad driving as evidence of spatial retardation? Tell that to the fresh-off-the-boat IT-department autist working for the Geek Squad.
LOADED said:
Damn, my nigga went in on Michael Jackson.
LOADED said:
Jk. I think I’m probably spatially-retarded, but have a very broad associative horizon that let’s me think way too outside the box.
pumpkinperson said:
I agree the substance of the letter was impressive but it’s very hard to judge substance objectively, so I focused on that which can be scored by computer.
The individual sub-scales contain error, but perhaps that largely cancels out in the composite score.
Poor driving may imply executive dysfunction (common in autists) rather than spatial, but either way, it reveals a cognitive weakness
caffeine withdrawals said:
“The individual sub-scales contain error, but perhaps that largely cancels out in the composite score.”
Good point, and I think it pretty much does cancel out here. 130ish was my guess coming in.
LOADED said:
The key to getting away with being beta is being very, very witty and very imaginative. If you can do that, you’ll have no problem getting away with b.s.ing your way through life.
LOADED said:
I have a massive head. 22 and three/quarters with a very short frame.
LOADED said:
Centimeter circumference.
RaceRealist said:
Never measured my head—hair is too long and crazy. I wore a size 8 fitted as a kid though.
LOADED said:
Do a Drake IQ estimate, Pumpkin. He’s half Ashkenazi Jewish and half black. His dad was a musician from Memphis and his mother was a Toronto maid. He’s now the most successful man in rap….ever.
LOADED said:
True love is probably the most beautiful thing in life I’ll never experience. A lot of things I’ll never experience. we take our 21st century lives for granted sometimes.
RaceRealist said:
Yea, you’re a beta.
LOADED said:
Probably.
LOADED said:
All my friends alpha, though.
Mikey Blayze said:
i find him accepting his beta status as very alpha. The alpha among betas.
LOADED said:
Pumpkin, how do you even moderate my comments? They’re not even moderated appropriately.
pumpkinperson said:
Moderation never makes sense to the people being moderated. If they knew what was wrong with their comments, they wouldn’t need moderating.
“You can’t teach that,” as MJ would say
LOADED said:
haha, Pumpkin is entertaining as fuck, dude. you’re a good guy, man. i wish i got to know you better.
Rahul said:
Soo, Loaded, are you “The Philosopher”?
pumpkinperson said:
no he’s obviously not
LOADED said:
you sound kinda like my dad when you said that. many props.
LOADED said:
.9% native american too, probably more than elizabeth warren.
LOADED said:
I don’t think Trevor Noah being criticized for his comments on the Indian-Pakistani tension was going to be entertaining, because Indians and Pakistanis are the most entertaining people on the planet, haha.
Aden said:
Hi Pumpkin,
Sorry for being abrupt, but is it possible that you could estimate my IQ level given these points of reference:
I am currently 17 years and 2 months old. When I was 9 years and 2 months old, I was given a CogAT (Cognitive Abilities Test) as was custom for all third grade students at my elementary school. The CogAT consists of 3 subtests (Verbal, Nonverbal, and Quantitative), and from those 3 subtest scores a composite score is given. I scored 118 Verbal, 121 Quantitative, and 122 Nonverbal, all for a composite score of 124. The test is reported on a standard deviation of 16 and an average score of 100.
I would like to believe the aforementioned results, but my PSAT/SAT scores seem to slightly contradict them. On the November 2018 SAT, I scored a 1440 (670 English, 770 Math). On the October 2018 PSAT, I scored a 1420 (670 English, 750 Math). On the October 2017 PSAT, I scored a 1260 (600 English, 660 Math) as a 10th grader of 15.8 years old. On the October 2016 PSAT, I scored a 1250 (630 English, 620 Math) as a 9th grader of 14.8 years old. And on the October 2015 PSAT 8/9 I scored a 1110 (560 English, 550 Math) as an 8th grader of 13.8 years old.
pumpkinperson said:
I’ll try at some point. You have to remember I get a lot of requests
Aden said:
Thank you so much.
Aden said:
And no pressure; if you don’t have time, you don’t have to do it.
Billy said:
SAT is not an IQ test. It’s not even a reasonably close approximation of your IQ. You can expect to be an SD away from your IQ on the SAT.
Aden said:
We’ve only seen that much regression in elite university students, though, and they were selected by the SAT based on the one time that they took it. Has there been an observed regression for the non-elite student (the student that took it once or twice and received scores within range of each other)?
The Social Justice Warrior said:
Even by Puppys own method he did it wrong hahahaha
The Social Justice Warrior said:
Michael Jackson does not have a 133 IQ. If you look at his spelling of certain words, its close enough to my dad. You say he knows all these words putatively in 3 mins but you contradict yourself by saying he had to get people to tell him how to pronounce words. And my dad is not 133.
pumpkinperson said:
I’m not sure it’s a contradiction. One can score high on fluency but low on knowledge. He didn’t know much, but could rapidly retrieve what little he did know. At least that’s my interpretation.
RaceRealist said:
Agreed. He was hella weird and his shitty writing is also a factor. Can’t spell. Won’t critique his handwriting because mine is garbage too. Combined with being a pedo, I think PP’s “estimate” is useless.
Billy said:
I estimated his IQ a while back, based on intuition, to be within 125-130. Though 133 is still believable, it does feel generous, especially from that 191 score.
The Social Justice Warrior said:
By the way readers, this method is how pumpkin ‘discovered’ that oprah winfrey, an obese black talk show host who grew up in the deep south and had a teen pregnancy and recommends books by Bill Cosby had a 150 IQ.
So puppy basically thinks Oprah is smarter than most ivy league professors. Hahahahaha. Good ol puppy. Puppy shows high IQ with his comedy.
pumpkinperson said:
I think Oprah’s 140 not 150. On average Ivy League professors score way higher than obese black women, but the smartest 0.01% of obese black women will be smarter than most ivy profs, especially if they’re billionaire media moguls with an XXXXX large hat size
The Social Justice Warrior said:
Oprah is a billionaire because she is a magic negro.
Like the same way Tiger Woods nearly became a billionaire being a magic negro liberal marketing mans dream.
pumpkinperson said:
There are 40 million other “magical Americans” yet only oprah became a multibillionaire queen of all media presidential king maker & only Oprah has the XXXXXXX large hat size. Odds are she’s pretty smart.
pumpkinperson said:
Also oprah got famous in the 1980s when there was far more racism
Billy said:
Pumpkin, I’m afraid you’ve misunderstood the nature of Oprah’s success. She struck oil, that’s it. She does not have an IQ of 140. She’s hardly 130. And honestly, Pumpkin, undue racism ended in the 60s. Anything after 70s is literally about making blacks feel better about themselves.
She doesn’t have any great insight about things to warrant an IQ above 130. She has a presence – her personality captures attention, as she is quite dominant – and many white women will gravitate to a female magic negro that’s dominant, but not scary. And novelty was key back in the 80s, that her uniqueness – certainly for blacks, an IQ 125 anyone is unique – would elevate her beyond the typical white person of equal intelligence.
Her IQ is, impressively, around 125. Her general knowledge and or verbal intelligence will probably be around 130. Everything else would be average.
pumpkinperson said:
Pumpkin, I’m afraid you’ve misunderstood the nature of Oprah’s success. She struck oil, that’s it.
I’m just looking at it statistically. Most billionaires got extremely lucky, but you still have to know what to do with luck, and so the average self-made billionaire has an IQ around 130. Oprah’s likely 140 because in addition to having having freakishly huge success, she also has a freakishly huge head. Two independent predictors of high IQ.
And honestly, Pumpkin, undue racism ended in the 60s. Anything after 70s is literally about making blacks feel better about themselves.
Depends how you define “undue racism”. Racial attitudes were WAY more conservative in the 1980s when Oprah got famous compared to the 2000s when Obama got famous:
She doesn’t have any great insight about things to warrant an IQ above 130.
She’s very insightful when it comes to sexual abuse and relationship dynamics & she knows how to market herself..
She has a presence – her personality captures attention, as she is quite dominant – and many white women will gravitate to a female magic negro that’s dominant, but not scary.
It requires intelligence to be dominant without being scary. And as I already mentioned, there are 40 million other black Americans and virtually none achieved anything close to the wealth, status and influence of Oprah. Most are poor. So saying she was a “magic negro” explains nothing.
And novelty was key back in the 80s, that her uniqueness – certainly for blacks, an IQ 125 anyone is unique – would elevate her beyond the typical white person of equal intelligence.
But novelty fades & folks are always looking for the next new thing. To maintain her status as the #1 talk show host in America, day after day, decade after decade, in the face of extreme competition would require a considerable amount of skill.
Her IQ is, impressively, around 125. Her general knowledge and or verbal intelligence will probably be around 130. Everything else would be average.
Her verbal IQ is way above 130, even her math IQ would be somewhat above average since she skipped a grade, and those who know her claim she has a photographic memory (though that’s probably an exaggeration)
LOADED said:
Let’s just admit Pumpkin’s right. He’s talking about a billionaire. A frickin’ billionaire. That’s super challenging, almost unimaginable to the human mind. So yes, I believe Oprah has an IQ of 140. Anyone who doesn’t needs to be mentally reevaluated.
The Social Justice Warrior said:
Puppy the whole point of being and becoming a magic negro is that most blacks are ah shall we say, undistinguished. So once a black person demonstrates any ability in a normally white field, people light the fireworks. Thats how De Grasse Tyson is so famous. Because hes the only black astrophysicist in the world.
Its the same with a black person being good at golf. Once people realised how good tiger was, libs and the jewish media had an aneurysm and promoted woods as being bigger than the sport.
pumpkinperson said:
But to become a “magic negro” you have to dominate your field first. Oprah showed intelligence in becoming the first U.S. black to dominate in broadcasting & business. That alone implies she’s in the top 0.5% of black IQ. Then you add her freakishly huge head and she’s likely in the top 0.01% of black IQ. Even though on average the black IQ is low, the black population is so large that there are literally thousands of blacks with IQs above 140, who Oprah had to compete with to become the most “magical” of them all. That’s the point I think you’re missing.
The Social Justice Warrior said:
“Oprah has an IQ of 140. Anyone who doesn’t needs to be mentally reevaluated.”
This statement shows you have a low IQ.
The Social Justice Warrior said:
No I think youre missing my point that she didn’t ‘dominate broadcasting and business’ thanks to any intellectual trait. She dominated it because she was half decent at the job and more especially because she was black.
pumpkinperson said:
Saying she’s successful because she’s black fails to explain why she’s the MOST successful black. And being good at any complex job tends to require high IQ. When someone comes from poverty to become the World’s most worshiped billionaire AND they wear an XXXXXX large hat, Occam’s razor says they’re pretty damn smart.
The Social Justice Warrior said:
Being a talk show host isnt a ‘complex job’ LOL. Good old puppy the comedian again.
Im not saying being black caused her success, im saying being black meant she was a phenomenon unlike Ellen or Ricki Lake or the 4 or 5 other similar examples. It deeply added to her appeal once she met the minimum requirements of a talk show host.
pumpkinperson said:
It’s a very complex job. You try talking for an hour a day and making it so entertaining that millions of people hang on your every word for 25 years, in such a competitive media landscape.
I agree that once she became the first black to dominate talk shows & make so much money in the process, being black added to her status, but becoming the first took IQ, And Ellen being the first openly gay host greatly added to her appeal & Obama being the first black serious presidential candidate greatly added to his appeal, but they still needed high IQ to become the first. The difference is Oprah came from poverty and did it during a much more conservative time and the other difference is Oprah wears an XXXXXXXX large hat size.
The Social Justice Warrior said:
I wonder how that spelling bee competition boy would do in one of these tests. That guy was severely autistic. He might have known thousands of words photographically but I doubt he could use them to make formal letters, legalese sounding stuff or make up stories.
The Social Justice Warrior said:
Puppy do my world records in Dirt, a rally car driving game put me in the top 0.00001 of spatial IQ then? I think they do.
I remember reading how one ex world champion actually played the game to acquaint himself with some of the new routes after coming back from retirement.
LOADED said:
You may have really good spatial skills coupled with quick reaction times, yes. There’s a lot of ways of measuring spatial ability, though. Verbal’s a lot more clear-cut, but spatial is a lot more confounding than that.
LOADED said:
Like there’s dynamic spatial skills, technical spatial skills, imaginative spatial skills. Awareness has a lot to do with video game playing as well.
I play FIFA and Madden a lot. I’m decent. If Pill plays me in a game of FIFA and I lose, I will stop commenting here.
Mikey Blayze said:
Wow great post! These supremely in depth analyses you are doing are amazing! I So excited for Aleister.
Also my book’s doing great, my black friends have officially labeled me a “sell out” for how popular my book is among whites.
pumpkinperson said:
Thanks! There’s a lot of info about Jackson. Most of my articles are not anywhere near this in-depth
RaceRealist said:
Cool man. Congratulations.
Mikey Blayze said:
Thanks, i am talented at many of things in life, however, writing (typing.) Is definitively my true calling. With my writing I will pass on to future generations much more meaningful information about the nature of our world. More than just only the simple genetic information of how to survive and reproduce.
I was blind but now i see the light, and i promise each of you, your studies and acquired knowledge will be archived and not forgotten. Race you say you have a blog, what is the name of it?
LOADED said:
Mikey, you’re honestly like a prophet born in the wrong time. People won’t listen, but you are certainly doing God’s work.
LOADED said:
Spatial intelligence isn’t enough to create great inventions. Most of spatial ability is all patterns and rote behavior. You need outside-the-box thinking to make the spatial abilities work for you and then apply it to the physics and demands of the natural forces of the outside world.
LOADED said:
Like cars. No one had any conceptual idea of how a car would be built. But they exist. Spatial intelligence is easiest when it already exists in the outside world and you grab it and replicate it. The hardest part if finding things that don’t exist yet and trying to build something that can interact with its environment appropriately.
Mikey Blayze said:
you understand the concept of the abstract world, and its existence. Nice.
The Social Justice Warrior said:
If a black person could talk intelligently like Chris Hitchens or Sam Harris or something, imo, that person would be a presidential candidate. The jews and lib elites would phone him the next day about running.
If you are white and Chris hitchens and sam harris, you are a talking head and thats it.
pumpkinperson said:
If a black person could talk intelligently like Chris Hitchens or Sam Harris or something, imo, that person would be a presidential candidate.
That’s a fairly recent development. In the 80s when Oprah was coming up, it was considered really really bad to be black. Why do you think MJ bleached himself?
LOADED said:
I think spatial intelligence can directly be correlated to brain size. Nothing new. But I was saying shit like this in 2012. When I was 16.
LOADED said:
I don’t think I’ve gotten any smarter since then, but I’ve gotten a lot more comfortable with who I am and what I believe. I have also gotten more reckless and ruthless with my thoughts. That’s why subjectivity has such an impact on who we are. I have experienced things chronologically that have changed my mindset forever.
Rahul said:
Hey Pumpkin, why is the similarities and matrix reasoning test untimed (even though it’d take a minute to get the right answer, or you can’t get the right answer in most cases), but the Visual Puzzles and Arithmetic subtest are timed (even though you probably couldn’t get the Visual Puzzles and Arithmetic questions if you didn’t get them in that particular time period. And for Arithmetic, why is there a time limit, wouldn’t it be so that if you don’t have the working memory, you won’t get the problems right?
pumpkinperson said:
I’m not sure. I suspect some of it is just tradition (matrix reasoning was inspired by the raven which is often given without time limits) and in arithmetic, the time limit was originally there so they didn’t need as many questions, because back in the day people were given bonus points if they answered the questions super fast, so no need for harder questions.
Rahul said:
But why would they give bonus points in the first place? What does WM have to do with time? Like, in my case for example, I can’t do mental division, no matter how much time is taken. Digit span is not timed either.
pumpkinperson said:
Well there’s working memory speed vs working memory capacity. Digit Span should be timed because it’s harder to use certain strategies when you have no time. The best working memory tests require rapid multitasking like the n back test
LOADED said:
I think anyone in this world has a predisposition of being a genius at something. I don’t know if they’ve ever done a study, but do genes allocate themselves into specific traits more often than not?
Separate note, I remember the Bush Jr. era being the best in history. I think non-Americans who haven’t experienced that are lame and can’t understand American history.
LOADED said:
By allocate, I mean do they conform to one trait over another? I have very high risk-taking tendencies, chances of using cannabis, drinking alcohol, intermediate for smoking cigarettes. I use cannabis frequently, I had a drinking problem, I smoke at least one cig every day. I wonder how much truth there is to our genetics. Or is just environment?
LOADED said:
How many of you only use this website to gather news about the world? What type of news are y’all exposed to? Tell me more about your specific Internet preferences.
LOADED said:
Just media in general. I think you can capture everyone’s traits through what media they consume at the end of the day.
LOADED said:
I think my interest in racial politics and intelligence drew me to this blog. It’s a really diverse blog, but that was the primary driver for why I wanted to join this blog.
LOADED said:
Pill, do you think technical skills and social skills are opposite of one another? Pumpkin? Anyone?
Thinking Mouse said:
Yes he does, or that people generally cant maintain both. Once he said that its becuase of emotions wires the brain to work in different ways, causing an irreversable feedback loop of competence and intrests, initially caused by birth conditions and genes, especially genes.
I think that the two are correlated, becuase of G factor and deleterius mutations (dumb people being unhealthy in many cases, down to the genes).
Intelligence interaction to personality is vital, especially when considering genius. Just compare einstien to Terry tao or napoleon, people in different feilds with different types. Now do people differ within an field? i would say largely no, becuase the fields require certain types of attention, maybe that ties in to your idea that everyone has some “genius” in them. Another thing to mind is that perhaps genius isnt as divergent from an culture as commonly perrited. But now im getting of track.
LOADED said:
Thinking Mouse bringing the heat. I largely agree.
I would say wiring in the brain is influenced by what personality our genes select for.
LOADED said:
I can definitely imagine ways I could be banned from this blog forever. It would be like being denied Heaven, mane.
LOADED said:
Damn, PP understands me on an interpersonal and intrapersonal level. I think both are good, but one requires more empathy than the other.
LOADED said:
MeLo and RR, 90s and early 2000s rappers are the best, I just use mumble rap to commercialize my generation. Mac Dre’s “Life’s a Bitch” is the best song I’ve ever heard.
King meLo said:
I could agree with that maybe. 90s was the golden era though the 2000’s to now have been more diverse and right now we’re seeing an upswing in average skill Thanks to Dreamville and TDE.
What’s your rap name?
Thinking Mouse said:
Hey, thanks for introducing me to that song.
LOADED said:
No problem, man. Enjoy!
LOADED said:
There’s also a version by Nas and AZ with the same name. Super good song. The Renaissance of Rap, they should call it. Mid-90s. really critically acclaimed.
LOADED said:
Sometimes, I hate random strangers more than I hate people I know. Is that normal?
LOADED said:
My mom and I have synesthesia.
LOADED said:
growing up in the 80s and 90s must’ve been the dopest. everything’s changed so fast. damn.
The Social Justice Warrior said:
Things were a lot better then.
LOADED said:
Damn, Pumpkin, you always moderate the comments to make me look like a dumbass or something. Geez.
The Social Justice Warrior said:
^^^^^^You need to muzzle this guy more. Eventually 99% of the comment section will be loaded being an idiot.
LOADED said:
I wouldn’t exactly say it’s idiotic if everyone is reacting to it.
The Social Justice Warrior said:
People reacted to afro too whats your point
LOADED said:
Afro said some intelligent stuff too. He was a lawyer. y’all even estimated his IQ at being 125. that’s fairly high. So some of his stuff might be credible, though not all of it.
LOADED said:
In fact, my comments are far more significant than yours. I think the only thing of value you add to this blog is your questioning of the status quo. Other than that, your usefulness is limited.
The Social Justice Warrior said:
Hahahaha. Very good.
The Social Justice Warrior said:
This guy has the aspy haircut. I don’t know why all aspies have this hairstyle. Its really strange. Like they are in a cult or something.
The Social Justice Warrior said:
I was doing very well with the gambler minigames in red dead and now Im stuck on the task to win a dominoes game 3 times in a row.
I basically learned how to play dominoes last week but it seems way more based on luck, than calculation like poker. Its even harder to get a winning formula when theres 3 or 4 people playing and theres a fives or threes stipulation.
Basically I think you would have to play a LOT of games to get three wins in a row. I’ve decided that playing against 1 opponent is the best odds and ideally a vanilla game. But the spawn for the vanilla games at Emerald Ranch usually has minimum 2 other players which is basically roll of the dice.
The Social Justice Warrior said:
Also for some reason I always beat the banker at blackjack and this is true even in completely different video games like in the star wars, resident evil and red dead. I’m not saying I’d clean up in real life, but from my video game performance I must be better than most people. I bet the Resident Evil blackjack mode on extreme difficulty. They gave me an electronic trophy.
Blackjack or its variations is probably my favourite minigame. The specific type of blackjack in star wars games is sometimes more addictive than the actual game.
The Social Justice Warrior said:
Warren Buffet and Bill Gates play a lot of bridge. Bridge seems to be one that many hedge fund managers like as well. I should maybe try it.
The Social Justice Warrior said:
The world to puppy must be a very strange place. If talkshow hosts require 140 IQs to do their jobs or puppy said children and hippies are like theoretical physicists because they are so tolerant.
pumpkinperson said:
Not saying all talk show hosts have high IQs, but someone who comes from poverty to host the most successful talk show of all time, plus has the business smarts to take ownership of the show making billions, plus has the political smarts to elect the first black president, plus wears an XXXXX large hat, is likely to have an IQ around 140.
The Social Justice Warrior said:
Stop saying she elected the first black president. You know thats total hyperbole.
pumpkinperson said:
She wasn’t the only factor of course, but without her he never would have beat Hillary for the Democratic nomination. That primary was very close & Oprah delivered a million votes and tons of publicity, and was crucial in getting women, blacks, and the non-college educated to vote for him.
The Social Justice Warrior said:
“but without her he never would have beat Hillary for the Democratic nomination. ”
Evidence
pumpkinperson said:
http://freakonomics.com/2008/08/06/so-much-for-one-person-one-vote/
The Social Justice Warrior said:
How many key factors decide the primary democratic election. Of those, which factors move more than 1 million votes? I can name 10 off the top of my head.
The authors of the study are retarded if they think Oprah literally won Obama the election. Oprah was 1 of many factors and almost certainly not the biggest if you look at the total number of people who voted. I would bet some leaders in the black church probably moved a similar amount of votes. The media has hyped up this study and journalists are too dumb to reason.
Also the study doesn’t even say she moved votes. If you read carefully it says they measured her endorsement by her book club sales and magazine subs. Thats like measuring Arnold Schwarzneggers endorsement by the amount of people that watched his movies.
pumpkinperson said:
Why is it so hard to believe that the most worshiped black woman of all time could play a decisive role in deciding between a black and a woman? If she can sell a million books, she can affect a million votes. You’re just in denial because it doesn’t fit your narrow narrative.
What the study found that there was a correlation between Oprah’s popularity in a region (as measured by book sales) and how many votes Obama got in that region and that the correlation only emerged after her endorsement, suggesting causation. And no black church leader has the platform to move a million votes, unlike Oprah who had the #1 talk show & whose endorsement was covered on cable news all weekend
The Social Justice Warrior said:
“Why is it so hard to believe that the most worshiped black woman of all time could play a decisive role in deciding between a black and a woman?”
Because its your fantasy not mine.
pumpkinperson said:
Because it contradicts your fantasy of a single master deciding everything. That’s a huge oversimplification.
Thinking Mouse said:
Philosopher awnser this!!!
as far as i can decipher you simply dont want psychos and gammas or immigrants to vote/have power, but there arre still questions to awnser.
The Social Justice Warrior said:
The crowds look a lot smaller than when I used to watch it. It kind of looks like WCW did in its terminal years under Vince Russo. Very sad.
The Social Justice Warrior said:
This guy is pretty red hot with the lefties these days. I heard a bit of his rant at davos. Hes right about poverty (not always) being about lack of character. In america I would say extreme poverty might be down to undiagnosed mental illness or drug problems. In places with adequate social safety nets, I would say being poor is more about lack of character and being lazy.