According to a New York Times article published at the end of 2017, during a June meeting over the amount of visas given to certain countries, an angry Trump claimed that 15,000 Haitians who had recently entered the U.S. “all have AIDS” and that the 40,000 Nigerian visitors would never “go back to their huts” in Africa.
The White House strongly denied that Trump used the words “AIDS” and “huts”.
However just this week The Times reported:
President Trump on Thursday balked at an immigration deal that would include protections for people from Haiti and some nations in Africa, demanding to know at a White House meeting why he should accept immigrants from “shithole countries” rather than from places like Norway, according to people with direct knowledge of the conversation…When Mr. Trump heard that Haitians were among those who would benefit from the proposed deal, he asked whether they could be left out of the plan, asking, “Why do we want people from Haiti here?”
Shithole-gate has been condemned Worldwide, though Lion of the Blogosphere defended Trump’s alleged view of Haiti.
One reason Tump’s alleged comments were so disturbing was not just the racism, but the utter vulgarity. Last year I scolded an underling for merely saying he had a “shitty” day, because that word, and all the imagery it evokes, is so crude and disgusting that I just can’t take it. The other word I most hate is “asshole”, and for the leader of the World to combine the two most vulgar words in the English language into one (“shithole”), words that literally describe such a disgusting brown substance, and use it to describe folks from brownish black countries was like a punch to the gut to all peoples of colour.
Trump is either a fool or it’s worth it to him to spend this much of his own, and America’s, political capital to make the West white again. At the very least he’s smart enough to know what so many liberal don’t: That by constantly baiting the left into calling him racist, the word loses all its power and whites will just get sick of all the “whining” from minorities. They would be would be wise to not fall into his trap.
On the other hand, this comment threatens to destroy the dignity and prestige of the American presidency, so of course the Left can exploit this to show Trump’s “incompetence”.
Post updated Jan 13, 2018:
Lion of the Blogosphere writes:
Trump is not smart enough for this to be part of a 4D chess-master strategy so “conscious” is also the wrong word, he’s just talking like the construction workers he hung out with in the 1950s or early 1960s when he went to work with his father, because that’s who he is.But the point here is that the Overton window is being moved. Trump is the greatest president of my lifetime despite being a Mr. Magoo who can’t manage the White House.
People have some psychological need to think it’s one extreme or another. I don’t think he needs to be a super genius to know what he’s doing here, just an IQ of at least 120 combined with a good understanding of the white working class. “Racists” probably average IQs 10 points below the white mean, so a “racist” president probably has an IQ around 10 points below the president mean of 130. IQ 120 also seems consistent with Trump’s publicly observed cognitive performance.
But I’m glad Lion associated the word “conscious” with smart. Commenter Race Realist argues that bacteria are intelligent because they display adaptive behavior which reminded me that adaptive behavior is not enough to be smart as we know it. It must be goal directed adaptive behavior.
Pumpkin Person 
Trump says it like it is. These countries are shitholes. Sub-Saharan Africa is a demographic bomb and it’s probably the biggest issue civilised countries will have to face in the coming years.
“Commenter Race Realist argues that bacteria are intelligent because they display adaptive behavior which reminded me that adaptive behavior is not enough to be smart as we know it.”
Race Realist is retarded.
non-proles are never so insecure about their class that they avoid profanity.
if oprah doesn’t have a dirty mouth off air, it’s because she’s afraid of sounding like what she is.
an i-bank trading desk sounds a lot like a locker room, but the profanity is more sophisticated and is always meaningful, never for the sake of profanity per se.
Oprah once said that her new years resolution was to stop cursing. She does use a lot of bathroom humour when she gives speeches to white audiences but keeps it family friendly by only talking about “peeing”. And you have to throw all your social class analysis out the window when thinking about Oprah. She is loved precisely because she came from the lowest class: daughter of an unwed teenage mom who cleaned houses for a living; descendent of black slaves.
i guarantee oprah is a character oprah plays.
it’s fine for her to change the way she speaks. colbert did the same thing. when blacks speak in black accents whites tune out. when whites speak in southern accents non-southern whites stop listening.
but oprah is a bad actor compared to colbert.
but oprah is a bad actor compared to colbert.
Doubt it. Oprah had to walk a very fine line. Sound white enough to seem intelligent, while sounding black enough to not be seen as “uppity” by racist whites or “acting white” by blacks and liberals, while also being entertaining on a daily basis. That she was able to achieve this for so long shows considerable skills, as Trump himself has recognized.
Interesting analyses…(both Mugabe and Pumpkin)
“i guarantee oprah is a character oprah plays.”
Most definitely. If you think any of these ‘celebrities’ are playing their true persona, I have some bad news…
non-proles are never so insecure about their class that they avoid profanity.
The strange thing is everyone from David Brooks to Anne Coulter thinks Trump is insecure about his class. So either: 1) all these people are wrong, 2) they’re right, but Trump doesn’t know how to get elites to like him, or 3) he understands why elites hate him & cares, but thought the presidency would could get him the respect and this was his only way to get there.
Whoever knows the right answer has a high social IQ.
i never said he wasn’t. he may be. but he does NOT act like it. oprah does.
To you any black who pronounces words correctly is acting insecure about their class.
trump is the EXACT opposite of a social climber peepee.
Ann Coulter disagrees with you. See 57 second mark in video:
she’s clueless.
the high IQ and non-prole use profanity to mean things which cannot be adequately or with sufficient brevity using only acceptable words.
the low IQ autist thinks profanity is prole.
one can always tell the rich prole, because he’s prole or he’s affecting a manner which his betters don’t actually have.
sad!
The reason Haitians and Africans want to leave their country is because of their Asshole governments that corrupt society. No matter how many we take into America the Governments they are leaving will still be Assholes. We need to invade these regions and instill new rule of law and force the Asshole governments not to be assholes. Then Blacks from Hatia and Africa will not want to leave. If you live in a shithole they look at what your government is doing. America needs to invade and invade soon.
The problems with Haiti are so severe that I doubt they are solvable by other than imperialism; some power takes over Haiti and instills a totalitarian regime to totally rebuild it from top to bottom. That’s not going to happen, so Haitians will continue to flee their shithole.
mike’s right.
the other 2/3ds of hispaniola, the DR, is a poor country, but as poor countries go it’s rich. the DR’s gdp per capita (PPP) is 17k+. that’s brazil level.
haiti needs to re-import a white elite.
AND
this elite must IMPOSE a below replacement tfr.
brazil already has this.
haiti’s tfr is 3.
and it’s not a race thing.
the lowest tfrs in the western hemisphere are in…
barbados (90% unmixed black african)
cuba (70% european by ancestry…but “evil communist”)
We should just let Africans on their own, stop helping them. Eventually we should put them in nature reserve just like Native Americans and Australian Aborigenes. That would be the most human way of dealing with this problem.
I’m pretty sure that without white people, Negroids would already be exterminated by Arabs or Chinese.
Sorry, but he didn’t say anything wrong. Not sure how being able to realize reality, even if commenting on it crudely, makes one be in a lower mean IQ distribution than the average President.
Accepting immigration from Africa is probably the fastest way to degrade a society, as it’s a never ending stream of people who, for whatever reasons, are culturally and behaviorally inclined to what is generally perceived as “third world mentality.” It would be exceedingly costly to then try to update their progeny to first world standards; it simply doesn’t benefit America.
Swathes of people from Norway, on the other hand, are able to assimilate quite quickly, and would not be a net negative.
Not sure how being able to realize reality, even if commenting on it crudely, makes one be in a lower mean IQ distribution than the average President.
Because this is one of the rare cases where it’s low IQ people who are on the right side of reality.
Is he wrong? (I am not a Trump supporter for what it’s worth.)
of course he’s not wrong, but the truth doesn’t matter to his enemies.
from his announcement to today trump has triggered certain people in a way no one else has. and every time it says a lot more about the people he triggers than it does about him. and it’s confirmed my theory of american society. that the american elite are selected for a certain kind of stupidity. last night tucker carlson said, “no country has ever had an elite as bad as the one the US has now.” and i think almost 100% of it can be explained by the reliance on factors other than tests scores in uni admissions, hiring, and promotion. but peepee thinks IQ and how rich your parents are the only factors.
You make no sense. It’s the whites with high test scores that hate Trump the most.
And in Europe, which you bizarrely think is more meritocratic, the white elites hate trump even more
And you’re kind of missing the point. Trump essentially outed himself as an HBDer, and you of all people should understand why elites don’t believe in that. The same reasons you don’t, except when you do.
Such low social intelligence…..they are pretending to be offended. You think cfr jews didnt say the same thibg when they built tge wall around israel.
Oh wait. The defence minister said a similar thing.
Some are pretending but many genuinely are offended. Not all elites are Jews and not all Jews think alike. And you don’t get a job in elite media without having the right politics or at least pretending to.
Pretending is the key word. They all pretend. Theyre psychopathic.
I disagree. I think the elite are incredibly smart and box the masses in with fake morality systems and thoughts. You are confusing the selection for serveants in universities with the actual elite. The elite dont teach their kids to really care about racism as such but to pretend to react. They dont teach their kids the same nonsense they teach ours.
So who exactly are the true elites in your mind? The deep state?
The elite are (a) the old money aristocratic families like Rockefeller, Du Pont etc, (b) connected families to these through business/finance and marriage e.g the Bushes, and (c) the elite globalist finance/media jews like Rubenstein, Schwarzmann, Rubin et al that are the CFR.
They are not magazine writers, the head of the 3 letter agencies, talk show hosts, CIA agents, generals in the army or judges. These are all serveants. They will do whatever the group above tell their bosses to do.
[redacted by pp, Jan 14, 2018], do you think the elite princelings in the Chinese communist party believe their own propoganda about communism?
I don’t think elite jews for the same reason believe in racism. In fact, i think by any standard they are incredibly tribal and pretty extremist in their desire for racial supremacy. The racism aspect is a way of disarming opponents.
The elite are (a) the old money aristocratic families like Rockefeller, Du Pont etc,
Why them?
connected families to these through business/finance and marriage e.g the Bushes,
This elite status didn’t do Jeb Bush any good in the 2016 Primary
the elite globalist finance/media jews like Rubenstein, Schwarzmann, Rubin et al that are the CFR.
So you think gentiles who run global finance and media empires are not part of the elite?
They are not magazine writers, the head of the 3 letter agencies, talk show hosts, CIA agents, generals in the army or judges. These are all serveants. They will do whatever the group above tell their bosses to do.
So how does this work in your mind? Justice Kennedy is a supreme court judge known for his independence. Who exactly would his boss be, and how do they boss him around?
Alex Jones might know who the elite are.
But word has it his divorced wife is Jewish.
-Why them?
Because theyre much wealthier than Malcolm Forbes is allowed to publish and much more connected than most billionaires historically.
– This elite status didn’t do Jeb Bush any good in the 2016 Primary
It got him the most money raised by a republican by a large margin and helped his father and brother become president (in reality, the president is not the most powerful person in the US and probably hasn’t been since JFKs assasination).
– So you think gentiles who run global finance and media empires are not part of the elite?
What gentiles run global finance and media empires?
– So how does this work in your mind?
Kennedy does whatever he is told. Thats why he voted for Citizens United to let elites bribe politicians more easily. Or he thinks warantless wiretapping is legal or america shouldn’t have borders. He does what he is told.
Because theyre much wealthier than Malcolm Forbes is allowed to publish
And you know this how?
It got him the most money raised by a republican by a large margin and helped his father and brother become president (in reality, the president is not the most powerful person in the US and probably hasn’t been since JFKs assasination).
And what did his brother do as President? Served neocon interests more than any President before or since. I don’t think any single INDIVIDUAL is that powerful. The real power is with groups of powerful people united by a common goal, but I think there are several powerful interest groups not just one secret elite running everything.
What gentiles run global finance and media empires?
Rupert Murdoch
Kennedy does whatever he is told. Thats why he voted for Citizens United to let elites bribe politicians more easily. Or he thinks warantless wiretapping is legal or america shouldn’t have borders. He does what he is told.
You don’t get appointed to the supreme court in the first place unless those in power like your politics. That alone explains his behavior. Occam’s razor says don’t propose a complex theory when a simple one will suffice.
And you know this how?
Because ive read reports about people asking forbes not to publish their wealth.
there are several powerful interest groups not just one secret elite running everything.
Thats why I named 3 of them.
Rupert Murdoch
Exception, proves the rule.
You don’t get appointed to the supreme court in the first place unless those in power like your politics. That alone explains his behavior.
This is exactly what I said. Theyre serveants. My theory is less complex than yours actually. Yours relies on a coincidence of wants. Mine is the way politics always works in any culture.
“Mine is the way politics always works in any culture”
Other countries do not have Jews, like China, so how do you factor that in. Does China have no power-hungry elites?
pill’s theory and mine are identical with one exception.
i think the ultimate elite don’t exist, but that the system behaves as if there were such an elite.
pill thinks this ultimate elite is a group of living breathing people.
The whole charade around racism is fake and evil. Its for show. People think like this all over the world about Haiti and Africa.
https://www.transparency.org/news/feature/corruption_perceptions_index_2016
Most Haitians and Africans themselves agree their countries are shitholes (and I’ve known plenty people from both places).
Of course I would add central America, Venezuela, India and most of the Middle East to the list of shitholes (Indians literally still shit on the ground!).
With the exception of a few white rednecks, I’ve heard WAY more “real-talk” from blacks and Indians than any other group.
“With the exception of a few white rednecks, I’ve heard WAY more “real-talk” from blacks and Indians than any other group.”
True, a lot of Africans admit that the ultimate reason why their countries are shit is because african people are lazy. I think they are right, low conscientiousness is one of the main reason (beside low intelligence) why black people are failing all around the world.
Are racialist people (hbd) racist ? Once Pumpkin said that each person macro – race would hold them back , that ‘s why no white ethnic group could go above a 115 IQ level , if I remember well, with the American Jewish as an example. That would be racism. But if you believe in every large community gene pool, there is potential to at least all existing human traits to develop at an equivalent level, the. You re not racist ? But are you still racialist (or hbd ) ?
Peepee is just mad because he’s a shitholer.
trump’s comment weren’t about HBD. only autists think that.
a paraphrase of trump’s comment is:
people from low HDI countries will generally have less to offer the US and will be a drag on growth in GDP per capita fro the US vs people from high HDI countries.
obviously this is less true of immigrants who come to the US for college or graduate school. this may be the majority of black african immigrants to the US. idk. but there are black african immigrants who get in as “refugees”, and this is mostly a scam. that is, they’re really economic migrants.
the 7b people on this planet who aren’t americans do not have a constitutional right to come to the US.
Pretty sure he is an HBDer:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-president-superior-genes-pbs-documentary-eugenics-a7338821.html
He, of course, shows no understanding of genes.
This shows me he’s clueless.
He said: “Well I think I was born with the drive for success because I have a certain gene.
“I’m a gene believer… Hey, when you connect two race horses, you usually end up with a fast horse.
Most geneticists talk of gene networks of hundreds and thousands of genes, not the way Trump is saying it ‘I was born with the drive for success because I have a certain gene’, genes aren’t causes. Genes code for proteins.
Even a lot of professionals are clueless on these topics as you’ve documented, so I can’t fault a layman like Trump for not knowing that. Genes aren’t ACTIVE causes, I think we agreed.
or to paraphrase trump again:
the solution to the problems of the developing/poor world is NOT that all their inhabitants move to rich countries. rich countries do NOT have magic dirt.
the solution is to make these poor countries rich.
and it’s got nothing to do with race.
i’m sure trump regards many eastern european countries as shitholes.
i’m sure he regards s and se asia as nothing but shithole countries.
non-whites have to STOP crying racism.
why?
because racism wouldn’t be a problem for any of them if they weren’t dependent on whites.
suppose i hated japs and koreans.
do you think they’d give a damn?
no!
because japan and s korea are rich countries without white people.
IDENTITY POLITICS IS 100% DISTRACTION FROM ECONOMIC ISSUES.
[redacted by pp, jan 14, 2018]
But only parasitic races like Blacks, Jews and most of people who adopted islam whine about racism. Is it because their parasitic nature prevent them from building a descent country or is it because they have a personality type which is adapted to parasitism ?
“Schizophrenic” races : getting resources from other people.
“Autistic” races : getting resources by building stuff to effectively exploit the environment.
Now it make sense.
saudi americans might not like it if i hated muslims.
but they wouldn’t care a wit if i hated sand niggers, camel jokies, etc.
most offensive is that i don’t know how to spell “jockeys”.
funny thing…
secretariat’s jockey was a canadian.
“racism” is ONLY a problem to the extent that one race depends on another.
same with homos.
if all the homos had their own country, they wouldn’t care if straights accepted them.
but class-ism is universal.
what did lee say of the yankees?
…slow to anger, but once roused…
fuggetaboutit!
the collective unconscious of the white man…
…
interesting times.
cuba reminds me how DISHONEST so many “hispanic” politicians and jorge ramos are.
jorge ramos has blue eyes…but he’s clearly also got a little native.
but marco rubio is 100% european. and…
vincente fox must be 100% european or near it.
it seems that a lot of “hispanics” deny the RACISM of the countries they come from and deny their own whiteness…
for purely political reasons.
IF YOU THINK THE US IS RACIST…
LATIN AMERICA IS…
WAAAAAAAAY…
MORE RACIST.
Marco Rubio isn’t 100 European.
His nose is a dead giveaway.
A lighter Mestizo is more like it.
manuel ferrara’s parents were citizen’s of france and spain. looks like a mexican.
He looks like a Semite — Middle Eastern coming from France or semitic Spaniard, Some Spanish are known to be Jewish in appearance?
AND HERE’S THE YUGE SHOCKER…
WHITE LATIN AMERICANS ARE LIKE OVERSEAS CHINESE…
THEY WANT TO TURN THE US INTO A SPANISH COLONY.
BUT THEN THERE ARE THE PATHETIC WHITE LATINOS WHO THINK TRUMP HATES THEM.
JESUS F—ING CHRIST!
THE SPANISH ARE THE MOST SUCCESSFUL RACISTS EVER.
AND THE COMPUTERS AGREE.
GREATEST CHESS PLAYER OF ALL TIME WAS A CUBAN.
TAKE THAT MAGNUS CARLSON!
ehh!
it’s carlsen, not carslon.
anyway…
my mom’s paternal line goes back to the 1600s in virginia…
spanish names on mom’s and dad’s side which aren’t actually spanish…
apparently…
so i’m basically 90% chav 10% swiss…and a little french.
chav = british isles
sad!
one thing about discrimination in america is…
both those who are discriminated against and those who do the discriminating are usually UN-aware of it.
i’ve heard myself recorded. i’ve heard people from my region (after being out of region for a while). i’ve been told i have an accent.
it’s got nothing to do with his wealth.
my guess is i sound like bill gates with a slightly deeper voice on quaaludes.
gates has a strong NW accent.
it;s not a pleasant accent.
my mom and dad both have very slight southern accents.
Berlusconi is a very likeable guy. Hahaha.
maybe it’s my region of the US, but…
my cousins have an italian surname. my aunt married a man with an italian surname. his surname originated in central italy, a little north of rome…
BUT…
it’s is from a french huguenot who immigrated to the US in the 1600s.
they have blue eyes and they’re an inch taller than me…
sad!
quaaludes because i’m crazy?
that’s NOT what i meant.
quaaludes are a “depressant”/sedative.
i meant that LITERALLY…
IF I EVER DID AN INTERVIEW LIKE JAYMAN…
I’D SOUND LIKE BILL GATES ON QUAALUDES.
IN TERMS OF ACCENT.
when it comes to a contest of who can be the most evil…
white folk win.
if peepee could find a single black man who made as much as she makes…
she’d marry him.
her lesbianism would be cured.
she defends american capitalism, because she is a lesbian.
the capitalists control her brain…
and she doesn’t know it.
pathetic!
http://www.trbimg.com/img-5755caed/turbine/la-et-cm-warhol-trip-sfmoma-20160606-snap
PP I don’t understand you, if you believe some races are genetically superior / more evolved than others why do you support politics that favor genetically inferior / less evolved races ?
Which also favor genetically inferior people within a race.
I support politics that make the World better for all living things. I agree with Trump that immigration needs to be reduced, but his comments were needlessly vulgar. He should simply say Americans need to look after their own poor first.
Things that would be “better” for one group could harm another one, don’t you agree ?
Yes, up to a point, but every group has their own strengths and weaknesses so we should try to find a mutually beneficial way to co-exist, otherwise it’s just going to lead to war. But I don’t support mass immigration because I think it just creates hostility between groups, lowers wages for working people and drains Third World countries of their best minds when those countries so desperately need them. Those are the arguments Trump should be making. But I don’t think he’s been a bad president overall, yet, the economy has improved and unemployment is way down, and he hasn’t started a war yet.
Elites don’t care for unity in America, the same way a lawyer wants a litigious society.
Now what are Trump’s motives that are in opposite of this principle?
He resents (and envies) the elites who know how to rig the system that created the problems that you’re speaking of.
I guess haitian immigration is bad. But nigerian immigration doesnt seem disfunctional, they seem to be more educated than the national avarage and even several european immigrant groups.
Very vulgar, trump is if you took an nascar viewer and combined it with an oxford eugenicist… Of the rails.