I have to give Trump credit. Despite having virtually no political experience, he went face to face with one of the most experienced and intelligent politicians in America Sunday night, and beat her at her own game.
And he was quick on his feet.
Hillary said “It’s just a good thing that someone with the temperament of Donald Trump is not in charge of the law in our country,” to which Trump brilliantly replied:
“Because you’d be in jail.”
The crowd went wild.
That’ll go down in history as one of the greatest debate moments in U.S. history, along with “you’re no Jack Kennedy” and Reagan’s famous “there you go again.”
In an earlier post, I had somewhat facetiously estimated Trump’s IQ to be only 94 (white norms) because he failed to correctly multiply 17 by 6. Perhaps his Arithmetic IQ is only 94, but having beat the 140 IQ Hillary in a debate (something not even Barack Obama accomplished), I assign him a verbal-improvisational IQ of 140.
Debating must be a fairly g loaded skill, so Trump’s debate performance, especially against a much more experienced opponent is empirical evidence of IQ.
Arithmetic and debating can be thought of two very different kinds of “verbal” subtests and Trump clocks in at IQ 117 when both are averaged . On the WAIS-III IQ test, someone who averages the equivalent of IQ 117 on the various verbal subtest, clocks in at IQ 121 on the composite verbal score (a good proxy for overall IQ).
Trump is probably smarter than your typical inheritance billionaire (IQ 114) because he built on his inheritance, but he’s probably not as smart as your typical self-made billionaire (IQ 132). An IQ of 121 is entirely believable.
Nonetheless, winning a debate and winning an election are two very different things. It’s unlikely Trump’s strong debate performance will heal his political wounds caused by a release of audio of him saying extremely lewd things.
Pumpkin Person 
(((Polls))) say it was a tie.
He definitely had some great moments, though.
I don’t think it will matter because of his recent “sexual assault” remarks; he was apparently down by double digits in the only poll post the tape leak.
Wanna know what I find hilarious? People say Clinton is a rapist without evidence. Point that out, they call you a shill. Then use the same logic to say that if Clinton is a rapist without evidence, then Drumpfstein is a pedo rapist since he had the accusation from the 13 year old girl.
Logic, not even once.
https://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2009/04/24/the-enigma-of-the-womanizer/
This describes Bill.
Trump is simply a ‘fondler’.
The polls are rigged. But they only fool themselves by distorting reality. Trump dropped a nuclear bomb on her in the first 20 minutes. The presser with the rape victims was astonishing.
By distorting reality they hope the crooked line blackboard gambit will convince people, but it has a 2nd order effect of parlaying many foot soldiers into laxity thinking the world is ‘as it should be’. It also has the third order effect of making the media seem like a funhouse mirror to people either ideologically against or not inclined to be ideological at all. This will lead to a lower ability to control herd Narrative function over the longer run as the illusion becomes more jagged.
When we remember the 70s or 80s, the NYT or WAPO were seen as beacons of credibility….in just 1 generation EBITA of NYT has dropped 80% and WAPO was bailed out by a billionaire.
In much the same way people are boycotting a lot of the NFL or hollywood movies pushing black man white woman couplings, I eexpect the instruments of Jewish verbal intelligence to decline in potency. perhaps to be replaced by monitoring of internet comms, also controlled by jews.
But that is a much tougher proposition. Obama’s parting gift to have the internet regulated by outsiders will have important consequnce.s
that’s why I put ((())), (((philospher)))
*(((philosopher)))
I think the ((())) is so stupid. It’s like that dumb frog.
Are alt-righters children?
The funny thing is it’s not that hard to tell who’s Jewish or not based on appearance, geographic origin, surnames, etc.
I suppose they’re not capable of doing that, hence why they need ((()))
Pumpkin Person
I think you should totally drop your estimation of Trump’s IQ based on multiplication of 17*6…I am an 121 IQ person and moments f distraction or excitement, I have mistaken 17*6 for 16*7 quite a few times leading me to answer 112. That talk show rapid fire situation was obviosuly a high excitement situation leading him to confuse and give the correct answer to another very similiar question
What is your IQ estimation of Trump if you get that 17*6 multiplication question out of the way? I feel that will be his true IQ….You need to at least 115 (one SD above white mean) to able to hold your own against a IQ giant like Hillary
The multiplication probably underestimated his IQ but the debate performance probably overestimated his IQ.
The debate was a draw, in my opinion; but I agree that Trump performed surprisingly well. Soon after the debate began, I assumed that Hillary was going to easily win: and then, in a desperate but brilliant move, Trump attacked her with accusations that damaged her performance beyond repair. Yes, 121 is a believable number; however, I’m inclined to stick to what I estimated prior to this debate (115). In spite of her intelligence, Hillary’s long list of scandals makes her an incredibly easy target, so his “win” was far less impressive than it would have been if he had debated Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren.
The Trump/Obama debate comparison is unfair to Obama, who would have been utterly annihilated by the Democratic establishment if he had treated Hillary with Trump’s level of disrespect. Bringing up Bill’s old scandals in a debate would’ve gotten Obama shunned from politics for the rest of his life. Going easy on Hillary was the smartest move, even if it meant losing a debate or two.
Trump, on the other hand, had to resort to nasty, underhanded tactics to succeed in this debate. He only “won” because he got down-and-dirty, shamelessly so, and was quick on his feet.
This. It seems all he can really do is throw around buzzwords and one liners.
“Words. Words. I have the best words”
“My people, I know people, smart people” etc etc.
People really think he’s a good orator. Hilarious!!
But she got down and dirty with him.
She is also a psychopath in case you haven’t figured it out.
Her treatment of the 12 year old rape victim (with tape evidence), Bill’s hundreds of lovers (when she marshalled a hit list of blackmail, bribery and henchman to take them all out), Miss Alabama, killing Vince Foster (who she slept with to get to the top of the law firm along with the other senior partner, who is her daughter’s real father), the birth cert, what we hear from Wikileaks and former Secret Service agents and her speech cadence is slam dunk.
She makes Nixon look like an angel.
Also genetically her brothers are also multiple scam artists and fraudsters in Haiti and other ‘charity’ projects, so you expect the genes to carry over, which they do, but with someone much higher IQ which is not an enticing proposition.
Hilary also has a lust for doing what the Zionist Jews want which is to give into their schizo paranoia and attack anything moving in the Middle East, hence Libya, Syria, Iraq and Iran stances…at least Obama fought back.
Hilary is the only candidate of the whole dem and repub field that would use nuclear weapons based on my understanding of her temperament.
Its well known Michelle and Barack Obama hate her. As does Bernie (who is being blackmailed I’m quite sure) and I suspect Bill. Barry had to make her Sec of State as a bribe to get her not to undermine him. The last person you want to be a Sec of State as a real democrat is a neocon warmonger Israel lebensraum person.
Juanita Broddrick claims she was brutally violently raped by Bill Clinton and that Hillary tried to intimidate her into silence by squeezing her hand.
Juanita’s story sounds believable to me, and I’ve believed Hillary was a psychopath ever since I heard it.
But then you almost have to be a psychopath to achieve as much political power as the Clintons have. High IQ alone is not enough.
Smart sociopaths probably have IQs no higher than 135. Anyone in the genius level, becomes a recluse in society.
Yes good diagnosis js. Thats due to either the autism or schizo level getting too mch. The brain isnt made to see reality.
Also testosterone levels are inversley related to iq meaning less social adaptation.
The Trump/Obama debate comparison is unfair to Obama, who would have been utterly annihilated by the Democratic establishment if he had treated Hillary with Trump’s level of disrespect. Bringing up Bill’s old scandals in a debate would’ve gotten Obama shunned from politics for the rest of his life. Going easy on Hillary was the smartest move, even if it meant losing a debate or two.
Insightful analysis! You’re right, Obama would have been booed off the stage had he attacked Bill’s womanizing, as Democrats see that as right-wing talking points. Further, as a black man debating a white woman, even in a Democratic primary, there was a certain respect Obama had to show Hillary that a white man does not.
One of Trump’s advantages is he’s been so wild and insulting for so long, that people expect it from him, and he can get away with things that other politicians can’t, even when debating a woman. I don’t know if that was brilliant strategy on Trump’s part or if it’s just his natural personality, but either way, it’s worked to his advantage.
“Further, as a black man debating a white woman, even in a Democratic primary, there was a certain respect Obama had to show Hillary that a white man does not”
Wut?
I would also add Bernie Sanders campaigning for her must be the most emasculating and dispiriting thing he has ever done. He must want to drink himself silly before these rallies knowing they rigged it against him.
They must have dirt on him is my reasoning.
The equivalent would be Jeb Bush campaigning for Trump.
They must have dirt on him is my reasoning.
The equivalent would be Jeb Bush campaigning for Trump
For Bernie, the alternative to campaigning for Hillary is just fading into the sunset and being forgotten. By sucking up to Hillary he probably hopes he can maintain some relevance. I think he’s wrong, but that’s probably his thinking.
Bernie was treated unfairly, but unlike Jeb Bush, he never expected to win so his loss was not quite as devastating. Also, Jeb was relentlessly mocked by Trump, and worse still, Trump attacked Jeb’s brother’s 9/11 record (Republicans are supposed to worship W’s dignified handling of 9/11 so this was blasphemy) and Trump condemned W’s Iraq war as one of the worst decisions ever (Republicans are supposed to support that war).
So the combination of the humiliating unexpected loss, combined with Trump dragging his brother through the mud had made Jeb especially bitter.
* do you still believe in your ludicrous theory that Askhenazis ended up in Germany, because they had higher IQs than Sephardis, who ended up in Spain?
“Arithmetic and debating can be thought of two very different kinds of “verbal” subtests”
I have a quedtion hope you answer it to me: Performance iq is about spatial stuff, right? What is more of a prediction of math ability: spatial iq or verbal iq? I would think intuitively that it’s verbal iq except maybe for geometry because math seems more like a language than blocks and stuff but I saw people saying it’s more related to performance iq. Wich one is it? Or maybe they predict better the ability in different areas of mathematics? What is it?
Jews have high verbal IQ and high math IQ, yet low spatial IQ. This seems to suggest verbal IQ is more important in math. On the other hand East Asians have high spatial IQ and low verbal IQ and are also good at math. Math might be a different ability, relatively independent from both verbal and spatial ability.
Ashkenazim were engaged in adversarial positions like being a money lender, lawyer and tax collector to non-Jews where they were a middlemen serving the elites to their advantage with their non-Jewish elites, and these type of jobs required high verbal than spatial. Ashkenazi Jews were seen as hostile as a result, and even today, they are still seen as adversarial to non-Jews. It was part of their tradition. Most people don’t think of them as being nice.
A lot of readers here have no concept of historical development that made Jews who they are. Yeah, Jews have high IQs, but what are the reasons for it?
And what separates Askhenazim, from the Sephardim, was their preponderance in these fields. Sephardim were also tax collectors and money lenders, but many did take up agriculture and craftsmanship, and these occupations require visiual-spatial ability. Sephardim in Spain also became diplomats between the Christians and the Muslims, which requires an art of being polite. This occupation was never afforded to the Askhenazim.
Furthermore, Sephardim did take interest in the greater world, they found ways to assimilate the non-Jewish world into the Jewish one. This requires an appreciation of the other, which Askhenazim did not. Therefore, one can say Askhenazim were not only hostile towards the non-Jewish world, they were not open to it, due to historical factors. Perhaps the assimilation of foreign elements required reasoning that is linked to visual-spatial recognition.
Verbal will get you the presidency.
Quant wil get you the presidency of the virgin club.
But quant will bever hit rock bottom and be homeless.
Verbal will get you the presidency.
Quant wil get you the presidency of the virgin club.
Hard to say.
Some of the richest most powerful people in the World are probably Quant > Verbal: Bill Gates, Zuckerberg, the google guys. And many people would say the President is just a puppet for the rich.
The jews control this world. Everything is created for their survival and preponderence.
The monetary system, the “racism ” morality illusion, hollywood films with magic negros and toleration values, foreign policy in the middle east, the power of high finance over the real economy, billions of subsidies to israel, nuclear weapons for israel, the political bribery system etc
People have been purposely over the past 50 years led to believe there are no differences in iq.
The problem is not that theyre trying to hide kinshasas lack of calculus ability but that theyre trying to hide jews gigantic superiority of verbal ability. They distract by positing the blacks.
This is a derivative of sailers hi-lo jewish black social theory.
In the 60s most of the “white” civil rights leaders were jews. Like bernie. Because they arebt white.
Hitler was not far off the proposition that left alone jews wluld continue to dominate society. The prescription of madagascar was a fantastical gambit because the jews would have found a way out by convincing high empathy low verbals to help out.
In the end the very core of your hostorical “knowledge” and your wmotional illusion will become warped and frayed. Stalin was also murdered by beria ince he had decided on his own final solution for the jews ….
Philosopher I like you. You’re a great poster. Stick around.
” Performance iq is about spatial stuff, right?”
I thought performance is about purified pattern recognition, even in the end, all cognitive tests are underlied by pattern recognition.
i never did a IQ test, so…
Verbal (and arythmetic) tests seems are verbal pattern recognition, pattern = similarities, differences, etc
the basic
”What is more of a prediction of math ability: spatial iq or verbal iq?”
Verbal skills works to the interpretation of the mathematical problems.
Spatial skills is basically geometry, mental rotation of objects.
Verbal or language is hierarchically important because we need interpret correctly the questions before to calculate or to rotate objects in the mind.
I thought people who are above average in spatial skills usually tend to excel in math, but i can be wrong.
And the verbal — math tilt seems more common than spatial — math tilt, so i think spatial skills alone may predict math capabilities slightly better than verbal, but verbal intelligence as i already said underlies all of other tasks because we need to interpret correctly the informations and tasks we are doing, before to do it.
”I would think intuitively that it’s verbal iq except maybe for geometry because math seems more like a language than blocks and stuff but I saw people saying it’s more related to performance iq. Wich one is it? Or maybe they predict better the ability in different areas of mathematics? What is it?”
Seems among non-ashkenazi(s) the rule is the performance (pattern recognition*) correlates very well with other cognitive components, the fake (psychometric) ”factor g”.
Supposedly non-ashkenazi(s) people or neurotypicals have a simmetrical distribution of excellences, if i’m good to do certain task so is likely that i will be similarly good to do other tasks, but not.
”earth is flat”
almost of human beings have some –non-artificially developed 1– skills (1= for example, everyone who no have any deficit, can jump. sports usually over-developed this simple task) they excel, others skills they are average and other skills they are below average or even absolutely weak.
Psychometric factor g start the wrong idea that there is only what IQ tests partially-correct measure. of course, because psychometrics tend to think humans are workers and not full living beings with other priorities.
if i’m similarly good at verbal, math and spatial iq, this is the factor g, but not, there are other cognitive possibilities, exactly what ”multiple” intelligence theory predict.
in the end, most part of the time, hbds and other psychometricians deny ”multiple” intelligence theory specially because politic/ideological reasons and not because this theory is definitively wrong. obvious it’s not.
Essentially, Askhenazis are schizos and sociopaths, because they have poor performance IQ? And this reflects real life. Jews were never great craftsmen or makers of civilization. Even Arabs were better.
Ashkenazi’s don’t have/score poor performance but below average verbal IQ. O thought instead spatial deficient is the combination of greater mathematics and verbal skills that partially make them more prone to be sociopath and or schizo. Seems very good on matha often correlates with megalomania and lower empathy.
Huh??
Sorry
Ashkenazis partially because math and verbal skills but specially math make them less empathetic or make many them less empathetic. I read superficially a research showing above avg mathematic skills tend to correlate negatively with higher empathetic skills.
http://www.scoop.it/t/empathy-and-compassion/p/4061241545/2016/03/15/high-empathy-is-linked-to-lower-mathematical-skills
http://www.nature.com/articles/srep23011
Or below math skills correlates positively with higher empathy but the sample was little.
My anecdotic observations seems corroborates I don’t know between lower math ability and empathy but higher math ability and lack or deficit in empathetic skills.
It’s telling that Jews, similar to blacks, never had a civilization of their own. And these are the 2 most disliked–sociopathic groups.
East Asians have lower empathy levels, but do not exhibit the dysfunctional behaviors of Jews.
White racists/Supremacists in America actually hate blacks and Jews the most. Less of Asians and Hispanics, so this is also telling.
East Asians are good at math, but generally do not exhibit megalomania like Jews, especially in America.
Exactly. But I’m talking about higher math skills and most east Asians are good at math and not very good. Of course there are a higher proportion of east Asians with greater mathematic skills.
At least my anecdotal observations higher mathematical skills tend to correlates with less empathetic skills and not exactly with psychopathic spectrum.
I think verbal performance tilt or any other discrepancy tend to correlate with mental disorders as well creativity.
Js,
is not ”empathizing-sistemizing” system BUT ”emotional-logical” system.
Autistics are not less empathetic, but less emotional-leaning, i thought.
Jews are stronger verbally. They are not that mathematically strong.
Jews might be psychopathic, but East Asians are autistic in nature, which signifies apparent low empathy. Psychopaths can fake empathy. Autistics do not.
I’m writing in mandar?
Ashkenazis are stronger in math too.
East Asians will be more autistic in nature only if they had hyper sensorial sensitivity and difficulty to learn neurotypical mind.
Autistics on avg Don’t have lower empathy, what I already said above, they are less emotional on avg than neurotypicals but they tend to have normal empathy and some to many them are even pretty empathetic.
Psychopaths tend to emulates sympathy, superficial empathy.
Mandarim 😤
jewish verbal IQ is exaggerated.
they talk and talk…about nothing. more words than meaning. adam gopnik is the stereotype.
it’s gross.
Heidegger wrote wrote about nothing… more words than meaning…
i thought Jews are more, on avg, g-loading in verbal skills, more pattern recognition…
and they tend to be very pragmatic, i mean, most of their activities have a very objective goal. they contemplate very little, seems.
“In an earlier post, I had somewhat facetiously estimated Trump’s IQ to be only 94 (white norms) because he failed to correctly multiply 17 by 6.”
Mental Arithmetic is an ability that can be highly improved over time. It’s all about motivation and training. However, some people can do it more easily than others.
To take me as an example: I used to fail simple mental arithmetic tasks, such as 19 x 4 (!). After a bit of training, I’m able to easily multiply faster than most of people. I can correctly answer what is 97 x 7 in about 4 seconds.
So, I wouldn’t be surprised if Trump would correctly multiply 18 x 8, for example, nowadys.
Despite my bad english, I think what I’m trying to say is pretty clear: Mental arithmetic IQ is highly volatile.
Mental Arithmetic is an ability that can be highly improved over time. It’s all about motivation and training. However, some people can do it more easily than others.
All specific mental abilities can be improved through training. But most people don’t train for arithmetic, especially since the calculator became widespread, hence mental arithmetic has emerged as one of the best measures of IQ.
http://www.slate.com/articles/life/education/2016/10/why_donald_trump_is_so_obsessed_with_iq_and_genius.html?wpsrc=sh_all_dt_tw_top
What a trash article.
Trumpstein think he’s a genius because he score higher in IQ tests.
Well, the article seems fit well with many assumptions here about Trump intellect isn’t*
And secretly, in the backstage, Trump believe Clinton couple are geniuses too.
“Sorry losers and haters, but my I.Q. is one of the highest—and you all know it! Please don’t feel so stupid or insecure, it’s not your fault.”
I hope their supporters don’t read this part. 😉
”Hitler, too, was recognized in his heyday as a type of demonic, charismatic genius”
that word, Hit… i can finish it, resound like an electric shock to the head of the classical/gullible goy.
”But IQ exams have never tested innate smarts.”
oops… what (((she))) want to say with that ”innate”**
I ask to myself againt
that (((nice lady))) is just (partially, very superficially correct about some things) gullibly incorrect OR…..
again and not againt (sometimes i like to write in french, sooo sorry, =) )
“Sorry losers and haters, but my I.Q. is one of the highest—and you all know it! Please don’t feel so stupid or insecure, it’s not your fault.”
I doubt Trump even knows his IQ. And if he did he would exaggerate it, just like he does his wealth.
How much do you think he’s worth pp.
He claims to be worth $10 billion but Forbes is the gold standard for measuring wealth, and they says he’s worth $3.7 billion.
http://www.forbes.com/donald-trump/#6d59d224790b
Oy vey no way. It’s the liberals lying about his wealth. It was crooked Hillary!!!
http://nymag.com/news/intelligencer/gifted-and-talented-2013-7/
People all the time confuse very similar or (pretend to be very similar) words like genius, gifted or talented as well ideology, religion or culture.
genius is very rare,
gifted is ”rare” as well schizophrenia, 1-2% or more.
talented is even less rare than gifted.
talent can be worked, giftedness not but still can be developed, even all of them are genetically-basis, the common place for living beings, 😉
genius is the most intrinsic of all because its nature is extremely intuitive.
Genius is IQ 130 or higher. Like 2 percent of the population had an iq that high in America.
okay.
Trump lost the debate in a landslide. I thought he did well, but polls show that most viewers think Clinton won. There were four scientifically conducted polls:
CNN: Clinton 57 percent; Trump 34 percent
YouGov: Clinton 47 percent; Trump 42 percent
Morning Consult-Politico: Clinton 42 percent; Trump 28 percent
NBC-SurveyMonkey: Clinton 44 percent; Trump 34 percent
All but one show a double-digit lead for Clinton. Also, one witty comeback does not a 140 IQ make.
Trump lost the debate in a landslide. I thought he did well, but polls show that most viewers think Clinton won. There were four scientifically conducted polls
Those were polls of debate watchers and they skew Democrat. The real test of who won the Debate is how much support each candidate had before and after. According to Rasmussen’s daily tracking poll, Trump was 7 points behind Hillary before the debate and is now ahead of her.
The media is in complete deranged war mode against Trump. Do you think the polls would be accurate at this point.
Do you remember all the media ‘getting the memo’ about WMD in Iraq as one?
Do you remember likewise with Georgia and Russia?
Or Trayvon?
The media is a propoganda organ
Operation Northwoods is still in place.
Allen Dulles has long died, but his ideas have lived on. Now the Jews are using his ideas. In a deeply ironic turn of events.
It makes you ask: What is better a psychopath deep state leader on our side or their side. With the proviso that psychopaths have no side.
Everything that’s subject of conflict and duels (like debate) is also subject of high g-loading. it would be worthless do it otherwise. High g load=high selection