Trump’s cranial capacity looks small compared to Bernie Sander’s, causing me to doubt Trump’s IQ
In one of the most popular posts in the history of this blog, I estimated Trump’s IQ to be a very impressive 125 (which would make him smarter than 95% of white America).
But as Trump struggles to adapt, trailing Hillary by double digits in the latest polls, I’m now wondering if I overestimated him.
One reason I thought Trump was so smart is that he’s a BILLIONAIRE with a B, and although I always knew he had inherited part of his fortune and brand, I had assumed he had built most of it.
However according to an article at Ezra Klein’s vox.com:
An analysis suggests that Trump would’ve been a billionaire even if he’d never had a career in real estate, and had instead thrown his father’s inheritance into a index fund that tracked the market. His wealth, in other words, isn’t because of his brains. It’s because he’s a Trump….That’s not really impressive. Worse, it suggests that his success is almost entirely the result of having inherited money from his father. His own actions might have even cost him money.
But even if Trump inherited much of his wealth, he likely also inherited the high IQ genes needed to make that much wealth in the first place. However even that claim is undermined by regression to the mean, and by the fact that his father Fred Trump, suffered from dementia late in life.
Although about 30% of whites probably have dementia by 85, and it’s really completely normal for those who are lucky enough to live that long, it does make me doubt even his father was anywhere near as bright as the average gazillionaire. The reason is cognitive functioning is very stable from about age 10 to old age, so if you’re in the bottom 30% at 85, it’s unlikely you were ever in the top 15% when you were young, let alone the top 1%. So if Trump’s father, who actually created the empire from nothing, was perhaps not above average, what reason is there to think Trump himself is?
General knowledge is one of the strongest proxies for IQ, and New York Times columnist Thomas Friedman recently said this to Charlie Rose about Trump:
Yeah. From everything I’ve heard him say, I would say he is the least prepared person to run for president in my lifetime, in this sense, Charlie. You can have any position you want on globalization. I have no problem with that…But just tell me you did your homework. Just tell me that you actually studied the issues, that you really understood them.
Friedman’s claim is buttressed by Trump’s poor performance on a terrorism pop quiz:
But what really makes me wonder if I overestimated Trump’s IQ was this incident on Howard Stern’s show where Trump and two of his kids couldn’t multiply 17 by six (in their head). In a recent study, mental arithmetic has emerged as the best measure of general intelligence (g) on the Wechsler scales, so this caught my attention.
Trump incorrectly answered 112 but that is only off by 10. At least he was in the right general range, so perhaps he deserves some credit. I decided to find out.
Study method
In order to convert Trump’s performance on this question to an IQ equivalent, I needed to ask a representative sample of North American whites, in roughly the same age range as Trump, the same question. I spent part of my day hanging out at two McDonald’s locations, one Tim Horton’s, and a grocery store, casually approaching white strangers with grey or white hair, and saying:
“Excuse me, do you happen to know what 17 times six is. Sorry to bother you, but I don’t have a calculator”
Everyone I approached was more than happy to help.
Sample
I was quickly able to acquire a sample of 16 adults of roughly Trump’s generation. About 63% were found in a lower middle class part of town. About 19% were found in a middle class part of town. And the remaining 19% were found in an upper middle class part of town. About 88% of my sample was male like Trump, and 12% was female.
Results
Exactly 50% of the sample gave the correct answer of 102. About 6% missed the correct answer but came closer than Trump. 19% performed the same as Trump, missing the correct answer by 10. The remaining 25% performed worse than Trump, either giving up, or being off by a huge amount.
Assuming my sample was representative, we can conclude that Trump’s performance was at the 35th percentile of North American whites in Trump’s age group, which equates to an IQ of 94 (white norms) or about 96 (U.S. norms).
Discussion
A true measure of Trump’s IQ can only come from an in-depth exam consisting of dozens of items, so of course it’s laughable to try to gauge Trump’s IQ from his answer to a single question. Nonetheless, the results of my little study do suggest that I may have been way too generous when I estimated Trump’s IQ to be 125.
One reason for doubting Trump’s IQ was his ridiculous response to the Kahn parents, who lost their Muslim son fighting in the Iraq war, and thus criticised Trump’s Muslim ban. Anyone with even an ounce of common sense knows you don’t insult the grieving parents of a war hero when you’re running for President of the United States, even if they’re Muslim and your base is Islamophobic. Because his base is ALSO the military.
By doing so, Trump turned the situation around to his disadvantage big time! The opposite of intelligent behavior. What would have been a one day news story got dragged into a one week news story, with Trump looking incredibly insensitive, bigoted and disrespectful to the family of a soldier who gave his life in an American war, and now Trump’s sinking in the polls and the Khans are emerging as the most admired Muslims since Muhammad.
Trump should have known that picking a fight with grieving military parents isn’t smart politically
Indeed since the earliest days of IQ testing, there’s been a subtest called Comprehension which asks if you know the appropriate response to social situations. An easy item might be:
“What is the thing to do if while running for president, the grieving parents of a dead war hero criticise you?”
The correct answer, which even a child would know, would be “respond respectfully”. Trump would have failed such an easy item.
Or perhaps he knows what to do, but he just can’t control himself?
If Trump could just avoid making these very basic errors, over and over again, and just stay on message, he would actually win, but he seems incapable of evading traps the Democrats set for him. Of course Trump has also proved over and over again that he’s not one to be underestimated, so maybe he’s several chess moves ahead of me and he’ll make another comeback.
But even if Trump’s IQ really is only 94, that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t vote for him if you share his values. Although IQ is a major predictor of job performance, and the presidency is an extremely complex and important job, I’d much rather have an unintelligent president who shares my values than a brilliant president who opposes them. IQ is only as good as the goals it serves.
And unlike his supposedly brilliant opponent Hillary, Trump passed the most important IQ test of their generation. He opposed the unbelievably disastrous 2003 Iraq war before it began, or at least was very weak in his support.
Trump was nowhere near hard enough on the Khans. If I were him, I would have been 5x as harsh. What they did was disgusting, they were abusing the Constitution (which they value below Sharia), they are campaigning for a contributor to their son’s death, their experience has no relevance to the merits or lack thereof of the Muslim ban AND they’re basically arguing for more Muslims here to kill more US soldiers here. Khan also is an immigration lawyer, so he benefits from Muslim immigration. All of this is disgusting! I would also have been harsh on the media, pointing to the praise for the Khans and denunciations of Patty Smith in it.
Plus, I would have reframed it by asking the Khans to apologize to me and the American people, as Ben Carson actually did.
Never let your opponents control the narrative!
Yes, you might have slightly overestimated Trump’s IQ. He simply does not take advantage of so many opportunities! Plus, he has a poor memory.
But, remember, Mitt was performing almost as badly in the polls at this stage of the campaign, so the polls tell you nothing.
Trump lukewarmly supported the Iraq War until the first few days of fighting.
The multiplication thing is more convincing evidence for the idea Trump’s not that smart.
The way he speaks is proof enough.
Sometimes is not important to be “smart” to do the right thing
I recall commenting when you made the first Trump post.
It was overestimation, and I think you just wanted to appeal to the trumpsters segment.
I encourage everyone to read a transcript of Trump’s tawk. The Rucker interview at wapo is fitting. A sane person of modest intelligence does not talk like Trump.
With constant interjections jarring his syntax, Trump seems incapable of holding a thought for more than one-second. Even the man (Tony Schwartz) who ghost-authored Trump’s big book could not make Trump pay attention — even fleetingly!
I think 94 is an overestimation as well.
i think trump has aspergers. Social naivety (the way he spoke to their parents), interrupting and not waiting for his turn in conversations, slight ADD, als thinking that he can say anything and then can debate it away (if it turns out controversial) without realizing that even if you debate it away, saying that thing in the first place will harm your reputation atleast a little. All these seem like he has aspergers, also zero diplomatic skills, and saying the same thing over and over in the same conversation.
This is textbook aspergers.
Let’s say I have $100million. If I ship it into an index fund and wait 10 years, it becomes $200million. If instead I invest it in businesses I run and earn +$100million in 10 years, does that mean that I did not use my own brains? I think matching the S&P500 returns, or even underperforming them means you did pretty well. Takes skill!
I’ve often thought that Trump seems kind of like the idiot savant of conservatism. He’s gotten this far largely by saying things that normal people are thinking, but perhaps that is just because he actually is a normal person who happens to have the money to get heard?
Aka not ultra intelligent as his followers claim him to be.
PP
Trump is not that intelligent. Hearing him speak and all that he doesn’t strike me as a super genius. Just because you can make money doesn’t mean you’re super smart. Trump does not strike me as an ultra genius. He’s shitty speaking style proves it to me. Trump also repeats himself too much. “The people” “I know people “. Riiiiight. He’s Jew-backed. Of course he” has people “.
Trump is a moron. He won’t do a thing for this country.
I enjoyed this revision PP. Good analysis. I usually don’t like these kinds of posts but I like when people admit they are wrong.
Clarification: because I dislike Trump doesn’t mean that I’m pro-Hillary. The world is not that black and white(pun not intended).
Also PP, Drumpf doesn’t strike me as the kind of guy who would score over 110 on an IQ test. He is no that smart, contrary to popular belief. He just says what’s on his mind (which those in power allow him to do). Any moron can just do what’s on their mind.
I honestly think Obama is smarter than Trump.
One more thing.
People will say that Vox article is anti-Trump. Anything negative about Trump is anti-Trump and Hillary trying to make him seem bad. As if humans don’t do things to talk about that are negative.
Muh Trump. Muh American savior. If he wins I’ll be right here. Wait a bit. If no wall, moratorium on ‘Muslim’ immigration (how? Will it be just Arabs? Or any Muslim? He won’t be able to pull shit off) or deportation of illegals (which he has already reneged on!! http://www.amren.com/news/2016/06/donald-trump-declines-to-clarify-contradictory-immigration-positions/ and refused to clarify contradictory immigration positions) I will be right here, and other forums for that matter, laughing at all of the morons who talk shit about politics being staged but all of a sudden one goy comes along, says a few right things and you’re sucked into believing it.
And Trump supporters aren’t that educated PP. What do you make of this?
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/trump-overwhelmingly-leads-rivals-in-support-from-less-educated-americans/
Usually you overestimated the ”iq” of everyone you analyse, 😉
”One reason I thought Trump was so smart is that he’s a BILLIONAIRE”
So prole, so mediocre, so mundane
i really want to believe you’re trolling all of us
if not
be right
you’re very stupid
and you don’t need to ”have” a lower iq to be stupid
just need to do what you already do here with your extremely superficial analysis
Occam razor is not
superficial
it is
catch the bigger picture
the mother-ship of certain subject
find its source of a river
the appearence or surface
”some people are super smart because they became billionaire”
the bigger picture
”money is just a paper….period. certain people are good in physics, others are good in engineering, others are good in make money, others are good in deceive people, period. this specificities ARE ”inborn’. period… the fact that higher g people can [supposedly] choice its career don’t mean that no there a specific intelligence’s or cognitive epicenters of potentialities/excellences, period…. there are a plethora of little things that need to be analysed that inevitably will reduce this fulminant or direct cause & effect… ”higher iq = greater chance to become a billionaire””
bigger picture itself IS philosophical in its roots
Occam razor
the source of this river
astuteness (clever/imorally smart personality) + luck + born in the right family/place in the right time + those many little things/unique environmental factors/events…
like
what make the Rothschilds super rich***
just the higher astuteness of the patriarch**
NOT SO
also the LUCKY
he was lucky because he risked a lot, things could have gone wrong for him (and unfortunately it did not happen)
people here call me evil, sociopathic, while I just did not ovation my/our own hangman, as the slave-minded PP do.
Oh shut up Santoculto
I never said all billionaires are smart, but the vast majority are.
Thus if you’re a billionaire, odds are you’re very smart
Trump is just an exception
Trump was born on 3rd base, a term used for someone who had a head start. It was not like he was dirt poor like Steve Jobs and then made his million then billions.
Of course not, you just leave vaguely implicit as always
you’re evil or very stupid
(well, generally both tend to mean the same thing)
”I never said all billionaires are smart, but the vast majority are.”
”I never said 100% are smart, just 99%”
Your analysis are always extremely superficial and repetitive
who should shut up here is you, you never know what you’re writing in a deep/accurate way
you leave this in explicit way in your comments about ”racism” in Europe and in USA.
Most people here laugh about your RIDICULOUS obsession with Oprah
and those who don’t laugh directly, lie about it or try to find some rational reason…
I would bet my left hand that the vast majority of hbds you consider as your ” friends ”, give higher laugh when they see every new post on Oprah or any other useless celebrity in this blog.
And I bet you did not know any of them personally, so how could define them as your friends ***
That’s psychosis, my son.
Every stupid people who are extremely deceived/blinded about your own ego should be admitted to the mental hospital for intensive care.
are these misfortunes that make the world a ” one ” worst place.
I’m sure people laugh at this blog all the time
Why should i care? I don’t know about it.
The fact is MOST billionaires are very smart but there are many exceptions
BUT, most billionaires are also evil but there are many exceptions
You’re a leftist (on economic issues) so you’re mad I focus on the positive traits of billionaires. But just because i focus on their intelligence does not mean I’m not aware of the negative
This blog is about IQ so that’s the lense through which i describe the world. Other blogs have different perspectives
Doesn’t mean there aren’t other and better ways of looking at the world, but each blog has to have a theme & a focus
And speaking of the late Steve Jobs, he seem to have a high verbal IQ along with his high visual one. So in essence, he had the best of both worlds.
People with high verbal ability tend to question authority, more often than those who do not. Now compare the behaviors of East Asians who tend to be more servile and obedient to the status quo than Caucasians. And look at the Askhenazis, the forefront of the Civil Rights movement, and just any social upheaval movement in modern day America.
Steve Jobs once visited Turkey where he tour a Mosque, which was originally a Church. He asked the tour guide only one question, You, Muslims, what did you do to so many Christians? You subjected 1.5 million Armenians to genocide. Tell us, how did it happen? This question apparently relates to his adopted mother, who left Turkey, because she was a Christian who was fleeing from this genocide.
Santo – Here’s HBD in a nutshell. HBD is basically a movement to explain group differences based mostly on a race/minority group against the backdrop of a White majority.
Some readers say HBD is garbage, and that only American freaks see it like a religion. There is a truth to it.
However, America differs from other nations due to its extreme dynamism and abundant opportunities. HBD tries to explain that White racism is not root cause of the problems associated with each minority group.
Blacks are too stupid to take advantage of the opportunities offered in America.
East Asians are too cautious to take advantage of the opportunities offered in America.
Jews are too smart for their own good to take advantage of the opportunities in America.
Finally some thing i can accept as reasonable
”I’m sure people laugh at this blog all the time
Why should i care? I don’t know about it.”
Again
you’re sure or not about it*
other contradiction
”The fact is MOST billionaires are very smart but there are many exceptions
BUT, most billionaires are also evil but there are many exceptions”
I know, i’m being incovenient with you about it
you’re right
”You’re a leftist (on economic issues) so you’re mad I focus on the positive traits of billionaires.”
I’m not economically leftist,
don’t put my person in this human cockfight
i’m not right, center or leftist
”But just because i focus on their intelligence does not mean I’m not aware of the negative
This blog is about IQ”
intelligence is not only or fundamentally iq,
your blog focus on iq, period.
morality/behave correctly is also intelligence
in the true, is more important than ”be smart with money” or ”be well in iq tests”
you analyse intelligence in some of many branch of it
i analyse intelligence in their roots & trunk, essence, where this branches will born
”so that’s the lense through which i describe the world. Other blogs have different perspectives”
most blogs are like your blog, because ‘they’ focus only in few perspectives
BUT
some perspectives are near to the essence
others not
”Doesn’t mean there aren’t other and better ways of looking at the world, but each blog has to have a theme & a focus”
yes,
the fact you make many posts per week can be a factor
”Santo – Here’s HBD in a nutshell. HBD is basically a movement to explain group differences based mostly on a race/minority group against the backdrop of a White majority.”
Also
hbd is a subtle way to guilt most people…. less untouchable anjoos
whites**
pathological altruism for sure
blacks*
lower intelligence
moslems*
religious radicalism via inbreedism, 😉
all of it that are only partially correct
in the big picture there is a underlying echo factor
what i already said
hbds are one of the sub-cognitive elites of neoconservative movements but with some sofisticated political strategies
if most hbds were honest/open about some (((issues))) i would not be so suspicious about its second intentions…
”Some readers say HBD is garbage, and that only American freaks see it like a religion. There is a truth to it.”
every try to be wisdom and finish such as ”pretend to be wisdom” also finish like a ”[ir]religion”.
”However, America differs from other nations due to its extreme dynamism and abundant opportunities. HBD tries to explain that White racism is not root cause of the problems associated with each minority group.”
Partially yes, i agree.
I think socio-economic modern structures hurts most of ”ethnic minorities” with different psycho-cognitive profiles and no happen any adaptation, i mean, on avg, blacks, hispanics and amerindians compete with anjoos, whites and yellows and the obvious result is
the first groups will be in disadvantages
like a crazy race
it’s like put a people who are adapted to the hot environment in the cold environment, near to the native people.
of course intense selective pressures maybe select the most fit-ted in natural/ direct environments but in stabilized environments such as modern societies, the ”disadvantageous” people can live for a long time in this way and be selected to be disadvantageous…
”Blacks are too stupid to take advantage of the opportunities offered in America.
East Asians are too cautious to take advantage of the opportunities offered in America.
Jews are too smart for their own good to take advantage of the opportunities in America.”
i agree but it’s what i already talked above
”People with high verbal ability tend to question authority, more often than those who do not. Now compare the behaviors of East Asians who tend to be more servile and obedient to the status quo than Caucasians. And look at the Askhenazis, the forefront of the Civil Rights movement, and just any social upheaval movement in modern day America.”
Yes, it is partially true too
know words better many times will mean many the world better
for example
media inculcates ”racism”
then, people who no have good verbal skills that
tend to no have verbal curiosity/know the etimology of the words
tend to no have greater vocabulary
tend to no have greater capacity to do verbal analogies
etc
seems will be more vulnerable to accept what medias or other evil says without questioning/critical thinking
BUT
for example
(number 2)
we have worker mechanics
i no doubt that most of them are anti-politically incorrect or any other politeness of the behavior
most of them are
men
have higher testosterone
and tend to scores lower in verbal iq tests
and we have humanities- students and teachers
they tend to be
a heterogeneous group regards gender proportion
inverse hormonal balance
higher verbal iq scores
worker mechanics TODAY (or not) tend to know more about crude reality because they are more instinctive/think like a animal than humanities-students& teachers
look that higher verbal intelligence is not exactly causational to the ”truth-seekerism”
verbal skills can be and seems is usually good such a complementary tool to understand the world
but is necessary some instinctive trends
the perfect combination
instinctive/non-verbal (know without know why BUT know correctly)
and
manual/verbal
know words better many times will mean KNOW the world better
What would the SD of billionaires’ IQs, be?
In theory it should be a little smaller than the general U.S. population but in reality it’s probably about the same
There’ve been studies on the homeless & they have the same SD as americans in general, so i would expect the same at the opposite financial extreme
“People with high verbal ability tend to question authority, more often than those who do not. Now compare the behaviors of East Asians who tend to be more servile and obedient to the status quo than Caucasians. And look at the Askhenazis, the forefront of the Civil Rights movement, and just any social upheaval movement in modern day America.”
Great observation JS.
And for Jews, they are entrenched in the legal and media industries, where they get most of their wealth. And Wall St too. Basically, conniving types who don’t create anything of real value.
Jews have poor visual IQ and schizo personalities, similar to blacks:
Marc Chagall:
Even Pablo Picasso, a Spaniard knows his limits of abstract art, if it’s abstract, then keep it that way:
Pablo Picasso:
Sidetracking the discussion, a reader on Lion’s blog thinks corporate companies based out of his hometown in California do well, where tries to make a case that many corporate companies do well, without taking HBD and geographical location into consideration.
This is my comment on it:
https://lionoftheblogosphere.wordpress.com/2016/08/05/value-transference-things-vs-people/comment-page-1/#comment-114518
I don’t trust Obama.
I don’t trust the CIA.
I don’t trust Hillary.
You’re starting well
it is the logical principle
never trust in the begining
know first
to trust after
^^^^^^^^^^^^ this so much. Obama and Hillary killed Gaadafi.
My answer was 103. I am 43 and got two doctorates. Just for your statistics,PP
My score on Ar subtest of the “old” WAIS is 14 out 17 possible. Its the worst performance among 6 verbal subtests
Interesting. I was thinking Donald could have been nervous on the Stern show (causing him to have a mental block) but then thought “no” because Trump does very well in front of cameras. 94? Part of me still says no because he managed to at least hold his ground against Cruz who would be at least 3+ SDs above him ( IQ 145), but there we’re many other factors in that relationship.
The principle factor is charisma. Ted Cruz ascended by mental acumen alone. But Ted is obviously less charismatic than the Trumpster.
Just as Alan Dershowitz is less charismatic than Don King.
Trump is like a quasi-Homer Simpson, son of Mister Burns, =)
One reason for doubting Trump’s IQ was his ridiculous response to the Kahn parents, who lost their Muslim son fighting in the Iraq war, and thus criticised Trump’s Muslim ban. Anyone with even an ounce of common sense knows you don’t insult the grieving parents of a war hero when you’re running for President of the United States, even if they’re Muslim and your base is Islamophobic. Because his base is ALSO the military.
ummm…remember when he called McCain a loser…it actually helped Trump. Trump is playing into tribal party politics, signaling to his base. I don;t think it will hurt his chances much
So my baby moms fine and my kid will be here February/March I don’t remember the exact date.
I did a lot of research into what’s the best parenting style to Maximize MY genes into the next generation. And after hours of research and equations I came to the conclusion that no paternal investment other than sperm is the correct choice.I should have sex with other women other than my baby mom, not take care of the child financialy, spend all of my resources on my self (Get buff, famous, men’s jewelry, nice clothes etc) all the While continueing to have sex with my baby mom on a daily basis to keep producing more offspring year after year. yes I understand that morally my behavior is wrong. But it doesn’t matter to me I Am Selfish.
I’m actually writing an article about this right now. It’s interesting thinking about this with evolutionary psychology.
That is r-strategy you speak of. And in the book I’m reading, “The Anatomy of Violence”, the author says that ‘cheating’ on women is a way to maximize genetic fitness, which is basically cheating for resources.
You should pick this book up, it’s funny how you describe an exact part in it.
We ARE selfish.
You should read “The Selfish Gene” by Richard Dawkins as well. I love that book.
Oh my
Cheat a woman is what????
We are selfish
Again
Don’t put me in your mediocre groups sir
Yes we are selfish. WE are SELFISH. Whether you admit it or not, this is a fact.
Humhum
The tribalist love this type of narrative
We are…
We can be selfish but
Wise people
Don’t accept it such a imbecile fate
They try to fight against it
To really understand the reality
To search the truth
Supposedly you’re favor to the truth
But your (personal) conclusions here show that you are not in favor of truth
You use evolutionary psychology to your own
Selfishly
;
Dawkins advocate for down syndrome abortions, criticize “racism”/white people survive and he is a cuck gentleman with islamism
Define selfish
If your father were corrupt
Do you still stay with him because you are their son??
Do you would capable to advance your interests even if hurt innocent people??
Of course we can go against our instincts, but most of the time our ‘selfish’ (genetic) desires win out.
I do favor the truth, and the truth is we are selfish in order to pass on our genes.
“Dawkins advocate for down syndrome abortions, criticize “racism”/white people survive and he is a cuck gentleman with islamism”
If people want to abort babies with genetic defects they should be able to do so. Dawkins’ political beliefs don’t matter to me as I’m interested in his data and what he writes and cites.
“Do you still stay with him because you are their son??”
Nowadays? No. But more than likely an abusive parent will be a stepparent.
“Do you would capable to advance your interests even if hurt innocent people??”
I would be capable of advancing my interests hurting people only if it were absolutely necessary.
What make SOME humans humans
You’re the kind of people who are well happy with current and historical human mediocrity
I’m the few and right ones who think that social evolution is possible
Mediocre gonna mediocre
The truth is pass the genes don’t need to be selfish
I agree that most people are predominately selfish but I and some few ones are nor and the best we are right we are the future path if you want to live in the decent places.
Your truth os
I’m selfish
This book fit with my personal agenda
If most people are selfish I will be
Down syndrome is not in the same category than a very problematic condition
White prostitutes who abort children just because they have some detect deserve to be sterilized because they will not to be good mothers. Seems obvious. With possible exception cases.
Please don’t pass your genes ;
Of course you have a moral inborn defect.
Dawkins no have data he have its pseudo philosophy
He’s a academic pop star in this days this mean = pure shit 💩
Then
You’re so selfish as you pretend
I’m looking forward to a post from PP in regards to IQ and consumption behavior/consumption patterns.
Do less intelligent people consume more? It seems like people with less means, who are also less intelligent, tend to pose themselves with false signs of wealth.
In NYC, we have poor blacks who live in government housing, and somehow they were able to get a car loan and buy an expensive car, even ones that are branded as luxurious.
You damn well know that they sell drugs.
I think among people with the same income, low IQ people might consume more. This could be because they’re more insecure & must prove their wealth to others & it could be because they don’t understand why over-consumption is in bad taste.
On the other hand, low IQ people might consume less because they’re dumb enough to think you get rich saving money & because they’re too dumb to understand the benefits of modern amenities. They may also be too dumb to use the latest high tech gadget & thus avoid buying it
It’s an interesting question but without data, you can speculate either way
If many blacks own iPhones or perhaps the really less intelligent ones are trying to steal one, (because I was in jury case regarding a group of blacks involved in an iPhone theft), this tells that you your speculation is probably wrong, regarding poor people saving money, and not consuming as they should.
Billionaire Warren Buffet is self stingy as you can get.
Of course
poor people consume more = dumb
rich people consume more = extravagant
like that will be complicated really understand why this happen
we have two ”bell curves” or distributions here
first is ”iq”
second is ”impulsive behavior”
and we usually condense both,
rich, specially upper classes and poor classes tend to be more: impulsive, individualistic, criminal.
middle classes tend to be the ”normies” par excellence
normies are usually less histrionically impulsive, ‘dominant’ personality, psychoticist…
of course, generally to much psychoticism is not good to become a long term sustainable self-made rich person…
middle classes are more psychologically relaxed and conformist
upper classes are more psychologically agigated and opportunistic
lower classes are more psychologically agigated and opportunistic, but obviously less efficient in your high risk behavior.
some rich and upperich people consume more but they have
i think self-made rich and upperich people tend to be more cautious than those who born in golden crib.
upper classes tend to more psychopathic than middle classes because ambitious people tend to attrack other ambitious people.
Great comment Santo!
JS,
thank you
we are talking about the ”perfect combination” or amalgamation of excesses that there are in elites and in lower classes
indeed
middle classes instead tend to be too much conformist and calm, ARE the balanced human evolution
most part of talented and creative people born in middle classes
indeed the clever self-made million to billionaire people born in middle class families.
my impression is that rich and poor tend to be more similar one each other than middle classes
at least in Brazil
middle classes seems more cautious, higher proportion of introverted ones
extroversion can be also understand such a kind of impulsive behavior
introversion is the cautious personality, at least in their ideational levels, par excellence
Correct, self employed business owners consume less than worker wages types. You probably know that American workers spend paycheck to paycheck, and no savings. Americans work long hours because they want to achieve this behavior eternally.
Also, in Montreal, many stores close early and close on Sunday, because of Catholicism. The civic culture believes in quality of life for its residents. Spend time with family, close friends, loved ones etc…
American cities like New York, the bookstores close almost to midnight, despite not many buying a book around that time. It’s of course American culture of sociopathic greed and over-consumption.
Race realist I’ve been studying evolutionary psychology for years now I’m 21 and started at 14. I definitely an expert in this field regardless if I have a degree or not. And I’m here to tell you that half of “pop” evolutionary psychology is false. Since your writing an article about this just send me an email at mikeyblayze1@gmail.com and maybe we can get on skype or just write each other back and forth so I can help with the article.
also an interesting fact that I’ve learned is that women DO NOT I repeat DO NOT want their male mate to invest any more in offspring than just sperm. And they want this continual sperm investment for the rest of their reproductive lives. They DO NOT want a good father OR even a man who invests sperm only BUT LEAVES the relationship. They want a man who keeps investing ONLY sperm year after year after year after year. Because that will maximize BOTH the female and Males genes into the next generation and there for make both parties as happy as possible.
Now let me explain MATHEMATICALY why this is true…ok 1st off the father and mother want each other to be as attractive as possible so they can feel sexual compelled to produce offspring. X=father y=child z=mother
The more X invests in Y the less X can invest in X and the less attractive X becomes towards z. This means that for each successive child a father takes care of the sexual attraction his wife feels for him will diminish. (He can’t afford to work out, wear nice clothes, etc) this will in turn make the woman more likely to cheat and be unfaithful and lower the overall happiness of the relationship. Now let’s look at equation #2
the less X invests into Y the more X
Can invest into X and therefore be more attractive to z
This means z is less likely to cheat on X because of his attractiveness the relationship will be happier because their both sexy and will have sex more and therefore produce more offspring. This is essentially the healthiest relationship you can have!
NOW! Let’s be clear!! This strategy does not mean Fuck and leave! In fact that will make everything worse. Because let’s look at that equation
X invests less into y then invests nothing in Y(2) z becomes mate less
As you can see things go fine until X decides not to invest MORE sperm into z to have a 2nd child. This means z is unhappy while X is simply content.
That wool be the worst possible scenario.
Personally I grew up in scenario #3 and I had Incorectly thought my mom was unhappy because my father wasn’t helping to take care of me BUT IN REALITY she was unhappy because no more of his sperm was being delivered to her uterus l. She was simply unhappy that her mate stopped giving her sex and gave it to a different woman.
In conclusion
I won’t make the same mistake my father made of having sex and leaving and neither should you.
Evoil psychos are retarded
Mister Pritchard is you??
Talk to the calculator talked about emotions and feelings and we have this bizarreness
“The answer is 112.112. 112”
Hahahahaha. Even I could simply do that in my head.
Notice how he was so persistent that he was right, even when he was wrong?
Morons.
Yes, the most interesting part is not that he was wrong, but that he was so persistent about it.
He seems indifference to lying. I don’t think it’s unfair to describe him as a histrionic person, someone who craves attention at the expense of everything else.
there are certain techniques for doing mental math such as breaking it into a part that has a zero
23*17 = 20*17+3*17
multiplication as its taught in school is more cumbersome
Because most people today rely on calculators, you have to use your intelligence to figure out a technique to solve the problem because they’re no longer taught in schools. That’s why the g loading of arithmetic has increased.
Netherlands today have one of the greatest height average but in the past they had absolute lower (and comparative higher) height/stature.
Flynn effect may correlates with socio economic organization levels because western societies before had a comparative and absolute lower macro socio economic organization levels.
Societies that are better organized can improve individual potentialities in more efficient and broad way than in chaotic ones.
http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2013/01/the-anthropic-stupidity-hypoth.html
this was bizarre
Sounders look dolico
Tramp look brachy (or not)
the irony is that jews often look white (as in pale skin color) than actual whites (who tend to be more tanned or reddish)
That’s true. Many Jews have this alabaster, zombie complexion. Lack of tanning perhaps. They aren’t very active with nature and the outdoors, similar to East Asians.
Ashkenazi Jews Are Genetically European. Google it.
Ashkenazem are a genetic hybrid of whites and dark caucasoids that mutated into a new race, in just the last 600 years:
….A model based on the genetic sequencing of 128 Ashkenazi Jews concludes that today’s Ashkenazim descend from the fusion of European and Middle-Eastern Jews during the medieval era, between 600 to 800 years ago.
The math also indicates that today’s sprawling community of Ashkenazi Jews — there are more than 10 million around the world — derived from just 350 people or so. That previously postulated population bottleneck — a drastic reduction in population size — occurred between 25 to 32 generations ago, the scientists say….
A number of genetic characteristics are associated with Ashkenazi groups, as opposed to other Jewish populations and other contemporary Middle-Eastern and European peoples. Certainly they are genetically distinguishable. “Compared with European samples, our Ashkenazi Jewish panel has 47 percent more novel variants per genome,” write the scientists.
Unfortunately, Ashkenazim are also associated with no less than 19 genetic disorders, according to the Center for Jewish Genetics. Many are fatal and arise from single-gene mutations. The list includes forms of breast and ovarian cancer, Tay-Sachs disease and so-called maple syrup urine disease, in which the pee of affected children smells sweet.
Compared with Europeans in general, Ashkenazi Jews have a slightly greater deleterious mutation load, as it were. (Sephardi Jews have illnesses of their own, including the genetic disorder Wolman’s disease and an allergy to fava beans – the ful so loved by non-allergic Israelis.)
The study also concluded that the ancestral European population experienced a bottleneck of its own when diverging from ancestral Middle Easterners 20,400 to 22,100 years ago, around the time of the Last Glacial Maximum – when the ice sheets had done their worst. The ancestors of both of these populations had undergone another bottleneck, probably corresponding to an out-of-Africa event.
In any case, there’s a reason most societies prohibit incestuous marriages. The closer the genetic makeup of the parents, the greater the likelihood a recessive disorder will be expressed. There is even evidence that, at least as far as the pheromones we emit are concerned, close relatives find one another repulsive.
The genetic conditions afflicting Ashkenazi Jews are recessive by definition. If they were dominant, the disease would be eradicated, unless they only appeared in advanced age.
Thus a person may carry a recessive gene for a condition, but it would remain unexpressed in him and his offspring unless he married a woman with the same recessive gene and the offspring got both. Then the children could develop the condition, though they might not.
A bottleneck in a population is practically a recipe for proliferating genetic disorders, because by definition, genetic variation is reduced. If there are 1,000 people and only two have a “bad” recessive gene, their odds of meeting and marrying are a lot smaller than if the population consisted of 100 people.
A corollary is the so-called founder effect: When a new population is founded by a tiny group of individuals, all the offspring will have a reduced genetic variation.
Ashkenazi Jews with breast cancer and Sephardi Jews with fava intolerance are just two examples. Another is the Boer population in South Africa; it derives from a tiny founding group and has an unfortunate tendency to contract Huntington’s disease.
The problem is also notorious in today’s drives to keep species alive. Efforts to repopulate the planet with beloved wildlife run into the problem of weakening offspring.
One of the saddest examples is the cheetah; the remaining population has very low genetic diversity following a bottleneck some 12,000 years ago. Thus those fastest of cats suffer problems from rickets to dysfunctional sperm.
http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/science/.premium-1.614893
“Ashkenazem are a genetic hybrid of whites and dark caucasoids that mutated into a new race, in just the last 600 years”. Mutated into a new race? The article doesn’t say that.
The DNA studies that point to “origins” are still hotly debated. e.g. another study from 2013 says “A team of international researchers from Malaysia to Salt Lake City found in a study published Tuesday that most variance in mitochondrial DNA — passed from mother to daughter, like Judaism — derives from the indigenous peoples of Western and Central Europe, as opposed to the Levant, as previously thought. Four of the major “founders” of Ashkenazi Jewry derive most variance from European sources, accounting for some 40 percent of the genome. The remaining 60 percent from minor founders, too, comes mostly from Europe.”
The evidence seems to show Ashkenazi Jews are descended from white women who mated with dark caucasoids, so you get a European origin for their mitochondrial DNA & a middle eastern origin for their Y chromosome.
But you also see very unique genetic traits not found in whites or dark caucasoids which shows that Ashkenazi Jews were so genetically isolated that they became a new population, very different from both parent populations.
PP toy are correct.
https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2016/01/29/southern-italians-and-ashkenazi-jews-what-is-the-connection/
I’m guessing his IQ is 115-130 ..same as GBW
Pretty weak. The math question is very easy to answer in a low-pressure social situation but presumably another matter on a TV show.
In any case even if Trump is mediocre at numeracy he is a genius with words. Check out Art of the Deal. Or even his speeches, for that matter. “You can’t stump the Trump” isn’t just a /pol/ meme – it also reflects reality.
Anyhow this will become blindingly clear come the debates, when Trump will destroy HRC even though they’ll likely be rigged against him. That’s a prediction.
According to Tony Schwartz, Trump had no role in writing The Art of the Deal. On the other hand, Trump’s incredible success as a reality TV star might indicate high verbal IQ.
That’s a bummer (if true).
Any ideas on how credible that claim is?
Seems credible, but this article explores the issue in more detail:
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/07/25/donald-trumps-ghostwriter-tells-all
It’s 100% undeniable. Consider that all his books are ghost-written. Trump tawks like a 11 year old.
And his speeches are trainwrecks!
Do you have a good source for his books being ghost written Wieland?
Hey RR.
The journo (Schwartz) who wrote Trump’s big book said,
“Trump wrote nothing.”
The ghostauthor defines Trump’s main trait as incapacity for attention.
After five minutes, Trump could no longer expatiate on his narrative;
he was too impatient to interviewed properly!
And consider Trump’s verbal range. Consider how Trump-types generally hire writers.
Finally, as mentioned in an article by a McKay Coppings,
Trump himself stated it that the people who ghostwrite his books “earn big.”
Haha. Thanks for the source. The thing with Pro-Trump people is that they believe he will do everything he says and I’ve seen some say he’s a crypto white nationalist ya Riiiiight.
Even with these quotes from Trump people still wouldn’t believe it.
I’m not concerned with his wrong answer, I’m more concerned with how he thought he was emphatically right and kept repeating it. He first said “eleven twelve”. Then he kept repeating that the answer was 112 112 112. That’s more telling to me then his wrong answer.
It’s a sign of something critically wrong.
Yea. The fact that he thought he was so damn right when be was wrong. Imagine that in the white hours?
This is why I don’t support any politician. They’re all jokes. They’re not for us.
Trump also called Tiananmen Square a riot. Hmmm.
“Eleven twelve”
wtf?
Now he thinks that 50/2= 50
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-retweets-obama-in-swipe-at-clinton/ar-AAiKcY4?li=BBnb7Kz
‘tards gonna tard.
By no means do I think Trump’s a genius, but in fairness let’s remember he and his kids were on television. I just calculated 63 x 7 correctly in under ten seconds, but I doubt I could have done so as easily with cameras pointed at me. Also, everyone in the room including the hosts (from what I saw) initially got the answer wrong, and I doubt they’re all in the bottom 35% IQ-wise.
It’s not that he was wrong. It’s how he emphatically thought he was right. Even after being told the right answer.
Well it’s normal to think you’re right.
Exactly PP. I know of a good study that shows that when people are shown they’re wrong they don’t change their minds.
“That might be depressing, but it’s not unexpected. In a new study, David Gal and Derek Rucker from Northwestern University have found that when people’s confidence in their beliefs is shaken, they become stronger advocates for those beliefs. The duo carried out three experiments involving issues such as animal testing, dietary preferences, and loyalty towards Macs over PCs. In each one, they subtly manipulated their subjects’ confidence and found the same thing: when faced with doubt, people shout even louder.
In all three cases, Gal and Zucker found that doubt turns people into stronger advocates. More subtly, their study shows that this effect is stronger if someone’s identity is threatened, if the belief is important to them, and if they think that others will listen. It all fits with a pattern of behaviour where people evangelise to strengthen their own faltering beliefs.”
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2010/10/19/when-in-doubt-shout-why-shaking-someones-beliefs-turns-them-into-stronger-advocates/#.V6y5aMspDqA
I have a good paper on this on the laptop. Will link later.
PP o strongly recommend “The Righteous Mind” by Jonathan Haidt. It’s a great book and he talks about these things.
The pressure of cameras might have skewed the results. On the other hand, IQ tests are high pressure situations too. Most of the others in the room were not really attempting the question at first because it was directed at the kids but when Stern attempted it, he got it right, and Stern claims to have scored below 1000 on the old SAT.
Nonetheless, it might be completely meaningless.
and of course, RaceRealist is correct…….
Trump has apparently been consulting the National Hispanic Advisory Board about his immigration plan………
and is polling just 3% below Mittens among Hispanics Nationwide.
Personally, I do think what this country needs is a decline in the Schizoidal personality type culture (hate to say the rise of Ashkenazis and Blacks has contributed to that), some illegal deportations, and an immigration system that is reformed somehow……..
a half-Wit can’t take us ther.
*can’t take us there*
guys usually inherit their iq from their mother.
I agree that you can’t compare index fund return to money invested in a real estate business, since the latter has more systematic risk and thus more volatility (variance). I don’t know if Trump is smart. You can’t use precursors based on aggregated data. That is stupid and the sample size (N) chosen by pumpkinperson makes his evidence anecdotal.
With regard to those muslim parents. Feelings are not the same as iq. Trump is authentic and indeed this pumpkin person ALWAYS overestimates the iqs of POTUSs except of course Trump (because he doesn’t like him). And this pumpkinperson also use regression to the mean as an explanation and then says oooh but the father of Trump was after all not so smart…This is imho just confirmation bias and contra dictionary.