Given the fact that modern humans evolved in sub-Saharan Africa, and given the fact that even people whose ancestors left Africa some 70,000 years ago (Andaman Islanders) look African, I have long believed that blacks are the oldest human race. Indeed when word first spread in the late 1980s that all human mitochondrial DNA traced back to Africa, Newsweek portrayed the first modern humans as black.
Thus I was intrigued to learn about a 33,000 year old skeleton from Nazlet Khater, Upper Egypt that “displays Negroid characteristics”.
A landmark study published in the year 2000 concluded:
it is possible that the Nazlet Khater specimen is part of a relict population of this proto-Khoisan Negro stock which extended as far north as Nazlet Khater at least until the late part of the Late Pleistocene.
The black race is extremely ancient.
How come so many capitalism become gambling. Korean model number 1. No gambling.
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Asian people most advanced highest evolve race. I agree. More praise for korea please.
Youre welcome.
Quotes from Phil78 in italics, my replies below:
And in those previous threads, I have thoroughly dampered that perception you hold with actual extensive DNA research on blood groups, proteins, skeletal and crania traits, etc.
You cited a study showing that Andaman Islanders convergently evolved an African phenotype, but convergently evolved to PRESERVE a phenotype they inherited from Africa, is what they meant.
As for Nazlet, so? You do understand that 33k YOUNGER that the earliest European Sapiens.
Earliest European != Earliest Caucasoid
As well, I also included a study that looks at stone age africans and Modern populations and found clearly distant cranial distinctions except for Fish Hoek and Khoisan, likely due to ancestral relationships.
Doesn’t change the fact that I now have proof of what common sense long suggested. The Negroid phenotype existed tens of thousands of years ago.
“You cited a study showing that Andaman Islanders convergently evolved an African phenotype, but convergently evolved to PRESERVE a phenotype they inherited from Africa, is what they meant.”
And as I said, they regardless show possible preservation from OOA, but they don;t show genetic continuity in that regard with modern AFRICANS. That means, if OOA were like the Islanders, Modern SSA didn’t keep the same sequences for those traits.
Your use of “converged” doesn’t exist in the same relationship with genetic distance. If they met something different, they would’ve elaborated so,.
“Earliest European != Earliest Caucasoid”
That was Rushton standard, he’s the reason, along with misinterpreting Jensen, why you argue as you do now.
But arguing apart from that, it stands that unless you show a PRE OOA specimen having affinities to modern populations with comparative lack of change from modern research, this specimen proves nothing.
“Doesn’t change the fact that I now have proof of what common sense long suggested. The Negroid phenotype existed tens of thousands of years ago.”
“Common sense”, what a joke. That wasn’t the point, your contention was that it represented OOA populations and that modern negroids preserve the phenotype.
And what did I do? I find a study that uses Pre OOA specimens and compares them with modern populations showing clear cranial differences. The only “ancient” skull clustering being post OOA by at least 30k years.
So no, you proved nothing. BTW, that’s a simplification. First of all the study aligned with Bushmen, not West Africans and descent.
I quoted multiple passages from the study in a comment that you deleted highlighting this.
Bushmen, as we know, are mostly of lineage segregated from OOA so them being ancient in phenotype is nothing unknown of genetic data.
And even then, the relationship was noted to be distinct regardless and it’s description is very similar to what we know about modern and Paleolithic Europeans, Robustcity being the major difference.
https://mathildasanthropologyblog.wordpress.com/2008/06/11/early-upper-paleolithic-europeans-eups/
And what did I do? I find a study that uses Pre OOA specimens and compares them with modern populations showing clear cranial differences. The only “ancient” skull clustering being post OOA by at least 30k years.
Those skull measurements do not correlate very well with race as originally understood, as evidenced by the fact that they lump Australoids and Mongoloids together, despite the fact that traditional anthropology sees these groups as very different.
“Those skull measurements do not correlate very well with race as originally understood, as evidenced by the fact that they lump Australoids and Mongoloids together, despite the fact that traditional anthropology sees these groups as very different.”
1. I’m referring to a different study, so you would have to point out the “poor measurement” specifically.
2. Australoids and Mongoloids aren’t that far apart actually.
Probably due to certain groups like Southern Chinese for instance having huge South East influence as the second graph suggests.
Those two trees contradict each other. The first shows proto-Australoids splitting from proto-Northeast Asians AFTER proto-Northeast Asians split from proto-Caucasoids. The second shows them doing so before. I prefer the latter model.
“Those two trees contradict each other. The first shows proto-Australoids splitting from proto-Northeast Asians AFTER proto-Northeast Asians split from proto-Caucasoids. The second shows them doing so before. I prefer the latter model.”
I did notice, hence why I pointed out the admixture in S, chinese for instance explaining it.
Pumpkin, what was the IQ of humans 70 thousand years ago?
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I am trying to understand parallelism as involved in IQ.
I think perception has something to do with it.
Probably around 80
Why probably around 80?? Humans pre complex vocabulary may scores around 70, People give inflated importance to IQ scores. Some seems believe “IQ 100” mean something. Indeed would be interesting to do a literal quantification of individual capacity to internalize and use/to reason symbolized informations/ the human cultural heritage, starting from the beginning, from 0. Or at least about the omniscient facts of dorsal spine of macro reality (I, you, he/she, we, you, they–intra and interpersonal intelligence/ space/time).
Start from increase of vocabulary/language verbal intelligence increased. Also we need to compare with our more near evolutionary cousins to estimate, or not. Aaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiii
I am objective like ayn rand. Kind of crazy how the 3 main economic ideologies of the 20th c – neoliberalism, communism and libterarianism originated with my favourite people in the world.
Rand is parodied in the video game bioshock where a billionaire industrialist builds an under the sea li bertarian paradise that basically implodes due to unregulated drug dealing/’big pharma’. What a game.
all of the above ideologies were inherently globalist and universalist rather than national and particularist. seeing this, one sees that they are all absurd. one man’s bread is another man’s poison. the above ideologies cannot think this. thus they deny it implicitly. thus they are false. cui bono? the talented and ethnocentric minority.
greg johnson’s take on libertarianism is the best i’ve heard. it occurs in his debate with vox day.
i think more of greg johnson having listened to more of him. but his reaction to charlottesville was out of touch with reality. and he sounds gay. but he is a heideggerian, or claims to be. that says a lot. one’s opinion of heidegger is revealing.
What do you think about vox day?
he’s a gay moron.
agree
Its kind of funny how the person who created the gamma male concept seems to personify it so well.
I bet you mercantilism makes a comeback. In many ways it has with competing corp tax rates and the bailouts.
The eu is a ‘bastion’ against mercantilism enriching tax havens like estonia and ireland vis a vis german and french people and a bout 5000 odd people enriched by the corporation shareholdings and executive options themselves.
Bioshock makes a great satire of libertarianism – “you say these gene modifying drugs are tearing society apart? Invent a better product!!”. In bioshock 2 there is a hilarious amusement part section where andrew ryan explains libertarianism with little vignettes in a museum. Haha. Its very good. The word parasite is used 50 times.
Good video games approach high art. I bet many tech
Does pumpki n ever have trouble pronouncing vs and rs in rearw life?
pumpkin i need to know this for unimportant reasons
do you think the iq of the person who writes this blog is lower than average or not very high?
http://www.cranium2.com/
Careful what you say now pumpkin, this is hanks life work.
its not mine i had a google hangouts debate with him i was hoping his retarded site could give me a idea of his i.q.
hello punpkin i also need the .i.q of the person https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epA-UqoHUrM very low or not very high?
Average.
3 points in his favour:
1. The Persian rug indicates good aesthetic sense or verbal intelligence.
2. It looks like he has done a lot of DIY home improvement and is capable at mechanical tasks.
3. The news stories he picks are interesting and illuminating. The iceland government paedophile one in particular is a good choice.
3 points against:
1. No commentary on the news stories or how the stories relate to each other.
2. The nativity scene bauble on the right.
3. Slow deliberate speech.
I always think its funny how I could share a beer with this guy and we’d be banging the fist on the table talking about immigration and how the next day I could also bang the fist on the table with a liberal about dopey wars and how shitty it is that Goldman Sachs runs the economy.
People that can correctly inference conspiracy theories tend to be VERY SUPERIOR in IQ in my opinion. This person does not seem to have those capabilities.
You all might laugh at this conjecture. So let me explain.
You could say everything I read is about how I apply it to the subject of ‘secret potential knowledge’. I.e. a branch of epistemology.
Obviously the stuff thats not in textbooks, media and other socio cultural acclimatisation is not in there for a reason, but is also harder to rationalise as being true or false correspondingly.
This differs from traditional epistemology whereby the subject of knowledge is not purposely shrouded in misdirections. e.g. traditional positivist science.
But essentially when dealing in conspiracy theory, half the real information is a distortion of the truth, and half of it is outright false but designed to seem true, well I suppose, credible .
Being a competent conspiracy theorist is a lot like being an excellent detective, but you can rarely gather evidence until something very unique happens like a Wikileaks dump, access to a specialis subject matter expert or a gross distortion in the illusion like trump, forces agents to act in irrational ways and reveal themselves.
In this way, those that cannot solve for secret knowledge, things that might be as simple as whether you are being ripped off by your second hand car dealer or whether youre wife is cheating will have more life problems than those that cannot solve differential calculus equations in my opinion.
When I was in hong kong, we shopped around to get the best prices on a jewellery piece. I reasoned that the jewellers were running a cartel and we should return home to trade. I don’t know if I was right or wrong ultimately.
But if you think about it, marxism which is a grand conspiracy theory,brought into being collective bargaining and with it, the middle class.
The problem with conspiracy theory, as a discipline if you want, is that too many of its proponents and researchers tend not to have high reasoning ability but simply great passion.
My sense is that people with schiz tendencies are drawn most to this area, but that those with high verbal intelligence would do a better job if forced to look at the material. E.g. I think if you made your uni classics professor read it, he could be more insightful over time.
I guarantee 9/10 people with 130+ VIQs if given the pizzagate emails and told it was a potential criminal activity but not given the names of the senders or people in the emails would reason it was a paedophile ring.
Take up the White Man’s burden—
Send forth the best ye breed—
Go send your sons to exile
To serve your captives’ need
To wait in heavy harness
On fluttered folk and wild—
Your new-caught, sullen peoples,
Half devil and half child
Take up the White Man’s burden
In patience to abide
To veil the threat of terror
And check the show of pride;
By open speech and simple
An hundred times made plain
To seek another’s profit
And work another’s gain
Take up the White Man’s burden—
And reap his old reward:
The blame of those ye better
The hate of those ye guard—
The cry of hosts ye humour
(Ah slowly) to the light:
“Why brought ye us from bondage,
“Our loved Egyptian night?”
Take up the White Man’s burden-
Have done with childish days-
The lightly proffered laurel,
The easy, ungrudged praise.
Comes now, to search your manhood
Through all the thankless years,
Cold-edged with dear-bought wisdom,
The judgment of your peers!
i’m open to conspiracy theories. i just haven’t seen any evidence, and, unlike pill, i don’t think a conspiracy is necessary to explain the facts i do know.
What Robert counts as ‘evidence’ – badge numbers, videotaped confessions, blood smeared all over the accused persons face, John Podesta on national TV in the act with a minor.
What I think counts: highly improbable coincidences, events happening in a sequence that correspond to a plan, historical patterns, circumstantial evidence.
As I said 100 times. Those people in 1999 on Rense.com talking about government tapping everyones phones, jews controlling the media, communism being funded by bankers, etc must have got something right with the general theory of burden of proof that 99% of Wisconsin Chemistry Phds get wrong.
if pill counts marx as a conspiracy theorist then i am too. but he wasn’t.
so does pill use “conspiracy” in his own sense?
just like he uses “schizo…” and “autis…”?
apparently.
for people who don’t speak their own language, there’s absolutely nothing conspiracy theory in marx or engels.
pill is funny, because he’s actually arguing zion’s case.
pill is like the man in the witness box who is asked, “where were you on the night of…?”
and he responds, “i did it!”
the pill shtick is breaking down. shtick!
just more mis-representaion of what “robert” thinks.
highly improbable coincidences, events happening in a sequence that correspond to a plan, historical patterns, circumstantial evidence.
yes pill.
i see all of those things, but unlike you i don’t believe it’s cosa nostra.
what can the rabies virus and toxoplasmosis do to its victims’ brains?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabies#Hydrophobia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxoplasmosis#.22Crazy_cat-lady_syndrome.22
there’s a lot more to those two diseases, but my links were the best i could find in a minute.
in the case of rabies…in the case of animals…
1. swallowing is impossible. thus foaming at the mouth. thus lots of virus in the mouth.
2. crazy. violent. biting. rabid dogs bite. a “mad dog” is a rabid dog. that’s what “mad dog” means.
1 + 2 = perfect transmission of the virus.
think about it.
your iq judgements are so cute, philosopher cutie pie darling, please judge mine :3 i like it rough
two big schizo idiots,
the ”clever’ silly and the schizopher…
Why you don’t interview some commenters?? Would be a good post! ^_~
My brother told me he hears voices that they tell him to be nice to our mom. He smokes marijuana and smoked meth one time 2 months ago.
I think that I do not have schizoaffective disorder.
I need to know when I will have a neuropsychological evaluation.
I was told that the evaluation takes 4 hours.
The past 10 years was like what philosopher said:
(put in a box and electroshocked)
Life was was numb and sad to me.
Life was, most times, not meaningful.
The question of Existentialism is “does life have meaning or is meaningless”
Nihilism is nothingness.
Schizophrenia – Full documentary on how schizophrenia effects individuals and relationships
Sometimes i think schizophrenics have their consciousness/thoughts [devil and angel, ;)] too loud.
That was very good.
The first person ‘Steve’ is probably closest to what I experience. But he’s far more ill. I guess he never got treated when he was younger or refused medications. He has the same darkness around the eyes that paranoid types have.
The meds stabilise you, but drive down your testosterone, make you fat and basically make you a eunuch. It just occured to me that the meds give you the same personality as an aspergers person and that this probably the whole point of them. This makes sense from the A-S spectrum perspective. The newcastle guy could easily pass as autistic for example.
Without meds like steve I can also start slurring my words and reading a travel brochure can cause a panic attack because your mind is moving so fast. The other thing they don’t mention in the doc is that your memories are wiped a lot, or you don’t form new memories. But you can remember details, facts.
The more I think about it, the more I remember times before onset where you could see evidence that my mind was leaning that way and that I would later develop it. Once i was in the office and I wrote a comment on a newspaper website, and because I thought it was so precise and articulated exactly what was going on, I had a feeling that they saw it and were going to send people to arrest me. I kept feeling that it was going to happen and was panicking. And then after an hour it stopped feeling as strong and I just went on. I should have realised that that was not normal at all. ABout 2 years later I started getting more and more of these types of feelings. I 100% believe them but with therapy I can question the feelings more and can tug the rope back a bit.
I used to laugh at my mother’s rants and ideas when I was younger. I suppose having her around in the environment normalised that type of thinking so that it doesn’t seem as weird when it starts happening.
I am right about our secret rulers though. And I’m right that women prefer murderers to accountants. And I’m right that most social justice morality is brainwashing. And I’m 100% right about the israeli paedophile blackmail rings.
Just because I have these feelings, doesn’t mean I can’t reason. Look at john nash and his son in the doc, both phds in math.
Schizo only means I am way more open to exploring these questions and conspiracies than most people. Sometimes these ‘crazy ideas’ are right but lack accuracy or are like chinese whispers, distorted information about something passed on through 20 people.
wow makes sense
i didnt get your comment. Are you saying your mom has/had schizo or aspergers? I hope you dont mind me asking it.
1 word testosterone. the non schitzo male twin had more test in utero im calling it now.
I think Tex Arcane is more right than wrong. People think the negro race is primitive in the same way Model T’s are primitive. They are looking at it backwards.
The negro race is primitive, but in the way the cars Mad Max are primitive. They’ve been stripped to the bare, functional essentials for a purpose.
There is so much conjecture and hand-waving in evolutionary genetics. I’ve never seen an explanation from it that would correctly identify Mad Max vehicles as later replacements of contemporary vehicles… “Oy, look here this car has a compressor on the underside, but, curious, it’s not connected to anything. Hey, look over here! In these vehicles evolution has plumbed in an evaporator coil to go with the compressor! I say, brilliant.”
anglin sounds bad. but if what he says is transcribed…he’s the smartest.
it’s like the 1960 nixon vs kennedy debate. most of those who listened on the radio thought nixon had won.
in america anglin sounds “lower class”. or he might just be from new jersey.
the son feels a duty to meet his father when his father is near the end…even though his father is “pure evil”.
the big brained useful idiot irishman.
one of the few.
very good at learning the spiel. very lacking in self-awareness. can’t see that it’s a spiel.
the irish did not fight in either of the world wars or in the napoleonic wars, or whatever…
because they had no interest in these wars. or rather, if they had an interest it was for the english to lose.
i have two irish great great grandparents on my dad’s side, but neither of them had an irish celtic surname. one norman. the other english. odd.
on my mom’s side there was a celtic irish surname.
cooney.
If you walk into a mental home and ask the paranoid schiz patients in particular whether race exists or 9-11 was a planned event and if you go to MITs engineering faculty and ask the same question, you will get the correct answer from the crazy people and you will get the crazy answer from the MIT engineers.
This is because schizophrenia is hyper sensitivity to reality and aspergers is hyper sensitivity to what Master says.
Actually the social science department is far more likely to deny race than the engineering department
I was talking about a mental home. Not the social science faculty although I can see why many would confuse the two.
Actually the strange thing about the social science faculty is that they think they are rebelling against Master by encouraging you to touch another mans penis, but in fact they are serving Master by not realising Master is not ‘straight white men’.
thanks for repeating what i’ve said literally 100 times pill.
yes. pill is right. in the main…
except that his proposition would’ve been better if the engineering and natsci faculty were replaced by the socsci and humanities faculty.
pill’s proposition is that it is possible to know things which the prevailing epistemology deems unknown.
and that the prevailing epistemology wants unknown. wants!
he’s right about that.
Or rather aspergers is hyposensitivity to reality. How do i know this? I had aspergers. Only now with increasing age and maturity i am slowly becoming like everybody else.
I have the impression that a lot of things typical schizzi perceive will not to be bizarre-only and bear in mind that many absolutely correct and accessible facts, specially ”mentalistic ones”, are not in the ”respectable normie-spectrum”.
No you still have aspergers from what i can tell. You cant not have it.
OK (((MACACA)))
i will not comment in the blog where for each 3 comments 2 are censored…
Santo, so many people want to comment on this blog that I’m now trying only to accept the best comments, and frankly, most of your recent comments have been low quality.
Jeeeeesus,
I NO HAVE CAPACITY TO JUDGE THE QUALITY OF MY OR OF ANY OTHER COMMENTS YOUR MACACA PRIMITIVA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
fuck you NEGUINHA RETARDADA
it’s interesting that the only SCZ case i know looks exactly like Reinhard Heydrich.
all of this is very personal.
my brother is dealing with my dad’s problems. i’m not.
i hate my dad, but i still feel a duty to see him.
AND talk to his doctor and find out what the fuck is wrong with him.
it’s NOT alcohol.
if it were he’d just be like keith richards.
not in a nursing home.
psychiatric issues don’t put you in a wheel chair.
selfishly, i’m concerned that my brother and i may face the same fate.
but…
1. hereditary ataxias are rare.
2. they are especially rare at my dad’s and his brother’s age.
3. deadly ataxias are rare. that is, hereditary ataxias are rarely fatal.
4. if it is a genetic ataxia and not sex-linked the likelihood it would affect two out of three siblings is ca 14%.
maybe it’s epigenetic. i may agree with pill…my gut tells me it’s genetic.
so i’ll have to get very very drunk and see my dad and his doctor and get to the bottom of this.
there are reasons to believe it’s poisoning which i have not revealed…and won’t.
If you and your brother are spared you can thank Oprah
After a show she did on mad cow, that she was unsuccessfully sued for, the practice of feeding cattle to cattle was banned in the U.S. in 1998
but, obviously, if it turns out to be some epigentic but dominant late-onset prion disease, than peepee can do a dance and claim this is why i’m “crazy”.
that is, the deadly consequences will only show themselves when i’m a senior citizen, but before that they will show themselves with my crazy.
…disease, then peepee…
Maybe the disease is related to your perfect GRE scores kind of like those high IQ Ashkenazi diseases cochran discusses
People with high VIQs tend to be neurotic.
One of the best ways to nail libertarians is the subject of cartels. I did economics and strangely only studied cartels in high school econ. In uni, the subject was ‘oddly’, not discussed.
The reason why cartels are not discussed is the same reason why the role of [redacted by pp, sept 20, 2017] in western history is not discussed.
In this very peculiar sense, the person who would deign to pay special attention to the idea of cartels and their empirical reality would be much more understanding of the idea of a tribal cartel and the logic of not only how it can exist, why it can exist, but the fairly decisive insight that it does exist and will always exist .
(1) There will always be a cartel in any industry given enough time.
(2) There will always be a conspiracy of the few against the many in any society given enough time.
Both for the same reasons.
i agree with all of the above.
but i don’t agree that the stupidity of economics and economists is a plan.
If you think the elites don’t literally sit around a table and decide what is on and what is not on the education curriculum, you are out of your mind. There is no scientific reason why we learn more math for industrial engineering in school than personal finance. Or why we don’t learn basic tort law but learn how to follow rules.
The libertarians are right that centralised institutions can lead to tyranny. But the most ironic aspect is that the tyrants propose we learn ‘free market’ economics as the rose cheeked bashful handmaiden of tyranny.
pill!
that there is no reason does not prove conspiracy.
it merely proves incompetence.
tucker carlson said…
i was 40 years old before i realized that the elite are simply not that competent.
So I’ve watched a documentary on schiz, the richest people in Philosophers homeland and The education in Philosophers homeland
The third one focuses on how income inequality leads to different ed outcomes. I guess it made me remember that there is an environmental reason why blacks dont do as well as whites. Its not all completely genetic.
I get that.
I sometimes forget that most people born to the income level or social class of my parents would end up like my cousins.
Its hard to untangle genetics from environment because your parenting and geographic area are reflective of your genes though. People that live in Detroit are reflective of Detroit, but the people themselves make Detroit Detroit.
In my opinion the main function of the education should be to discover talent that would otherwise be lost, and sort them from the ‘grime’ quickly. In the UK there was an elitist ‘grammar school’ system that Thatcher went through. She scored well, and they put her in a grammer school with other high ability (both conscientiousness or naturally smart) students.
And of course grammar school back then measured how smart you were. Not how well you could list the 142 genders.People that went grammer school were not useful idiots.
that’s nice pill.
in all of your comments you’ve yet to show any symptoms of SCZ.
Pill is not schiz, he’s a lonely 20-something jewish man who lives off his parents.
^^ Good comedy writing.
If I was sending a kid to school, I’d skim the textbooks tell him whats important/not important. And I’d tell him the parts that are brainwashing and explain why.
Id also teach some basic personal finance, psychology, nutrition, and law. I’m pretty certain my son would be a reversion to the mean though.
And that would be fine.
Its the schiz I’d be more worried about as on balance, it is much worse to be this far out on the spectrum even if you get certain benefits like being unbrainwashable, more creative or good looking.
my only concern with having children is the immense responsibility and time suck. i’m too lazy to be anything other than a sperm donor. of course most people would simply not feel this. it used to be there was “a village”, as hillary said. today low investment parenting is child abuse.
speaking of hillary. i think bannon was right when he said hrc “is not that bright. she’s a grind. she’s the type that does 9 hours of homework a night to get As.”
at the same time hillary does, or at least did, have a very high IQ. she was a national merit scholar.
she’s an example of what morris berman has called “stupid people with high IQs”.
misogyny had absolutely nothing to do with her failure as a candidate. nothing. the truth is that even the alt-right is not misogynist or racist in the sense that they would dislike hillary or obama because she was a woman and he was half black. that kind of prejudice just doesn’t exist anymore.
Hilary failed the bar exam the first time she took it. That puts a 130 ceiling on her IQ.
All the commercials about her said how qualified she was. just like how John McCain ran his campaign against Obama. But Trump was way more socially smart. Southpark had 1 day to rewrite their entire episode when Trump won. The rest of the season was about how the Danes were trolling everyone. The irony is that Philosopher calls jews Dane yet I do not think he watches south part but the reference is clear if you read a comment on PP’s blog often. Mr. Garisons campaign message was Vote for the other candidate if you believe StarWars The Force awakens was not as good of a movie as it was supposed to be. The movie was Nostalgia, not an intricate plot.
South Park – Season 20: What Went Wrong? – Wisecrack Edition
Southpark has canceled all future seasons with a single narrative/theme/storyline.
People love Star Wars, So they voted in Trump.
Star Wars: The Last Jedi Official Teaser
I bet if you strip out blacks from the stats (blacks are 5 times more likely than any other race to have schiz), pumpkins ‘fact’ that schiz tends to be a low class problem is not true.
I bet a lot of schiz people are like Einstein, Nash or many other geniuses sons – very high VIQ people where neuroticism is out of control.
It would be very very interesting to see the incidence of schiz in the jewish population. I bet its more than aspergers.
On the other hand Pumpkin is right that is very obvious schiz is basically the primitive mind. And schiz does physically lower your IQ over time by shrinking the brain and putting it under intense stress.
Roberts interpretation that ‘insanity’ is socially constructed is true, but the weight of it all is that there really are objectively insane people who cannot be potty trained for any purpose and need to be either locked up or heavily medicated.
There are useful idiots/social justice warriors proclaiming that blacks get diagnosed ‘mad’ because of racism basically. Hahahahah.
How fucking brainwashed do you have to be to objectively not realise that if no other race of man is diagnosed that much, how can it be racism. You don’t see latinos or indians or asians in mental homes much.
And the criteria for being mad are fairly standard and obvious to anyone with a thimble of social intelligence, the obvious truth is that blacks are good at music, fashion and crime because of schiz. Just like asians are good at math and following orders and doing mind numbing tasks repetitively due to aspergers.
The thing that would really blow these muppets minds is that you don’t have to be fully psychotic to be on the schiz spectrum. You can easily have tendencies.
The majority of the haitian population believes in voodoo. The majority of Dominican Republics citizens do not. Same island. Different race.
Native Americans are alcoholic drunkards. I bet there’s some schizo there.
Interesting, my aunt worked in a mental hospital in Nice (french city). 100% of the patients classified as “dangerous” were North Africans. I guess schizophrenia is also extremely frequent in this population.
No, we just have the highest testosterone and aggression levels of any human race on planet earth. Probably due to high competition in a fertile land where humans are your enemy and competition, not your environment. Latin people are mainly native mixed with Iberian and are also incredibly aggressive.
North Africans are definitely certainly more sperg than schizo. Presuming you mean Ancient Egyptians, Berbers etc, they are almost certainly more sperg than schizo. Up until the advent of the cult called Islam, that is, which reduces IQ by like 15 points of any people it touches, so long as they are indoctrinated from birth.
North Africans are also very aggressive. All Mediterraneans and Latin peoples are, I would say. With varying degrees of psychopathic traits. There is a reason mean characters are always depicted as black haired Caucasians, not blonde.
No, we just have the highest testosterone and aggression levels of any human race on planet earth.
Blacks have the highest t, but I agree Berbers/Arabs are the most agressive.
North Africans are definitely certainly more sperg than schizo.
You got to explain me this one. This is so insane I’m not sure I even correctly understood what you mean. You say North Africans are more asperger-like than schizo ? If that’s what you mean I don’t even understand how someone who have basic knowledge on what is an aspie and what is a schizo can come up with this conclusion. That’s probably the most absurd thing I have ever read on this blog.
But may be I misunderstood, please explain your reasoning.
I didn’t understand that either. If anything Arabs are one of the most schizophrenic races given how religious they are
Explain to me why you think North Africans are schizo beyond seeing aggressive Berbers in French facilities? (I say Berbers because the biggest North African minority in all of France are Algerian Berbers, which I am).
Arabs are very schizo, Berbers are absolutely not. We don’t even put veils on our women and are not very religious at all. Berbers are an Arabic meme at this point, barely ‘Muslim’. All science in the Arab world comes from Berbers and Persians. None from schizo Arabs because their perception of reality is completely distorted.
My recollection from life in London is that north africans give jews and gypsies a run for their money in the psychopathy stakes. Macdonald was saying he wanted to write a book on other nomadic tribes like these to see if there were parallels.
Arabs are definitely more schizo than aspergers. Conspiracy theories are actually very common among arabs. Anytime I meet an arab in any context, I can move the conversation to who caused 9-11 or who controls the US in about 2 mins.
”I guess schizophrenia is also extremely frequent in this population.”
I think extreme or severe mental cases tend to be more common among people with lower cognitive skills. For example, i read a study on Israel about frequency of ADHD and this study found that severe cases are common among non-ashkenazim groups.
Berbers are hyper-social, feel very easily offended, believe in irrational stuffs, you look at them in the street they directly look at you in the eyes (aspies avoid eye contact), they lies all the time and are good liars, they cheat all the time, they regularly put a spell on people they don’t like (that’s pretty frequent, I’m not making this up), they are paranoids, they believe in all sort of crazy conspiracy theories (as long as it serves their egos), they are lazy and disorganised, they like to show off, etc.
They are focused on other people and their intentions, not inanimate objects like aspies are.
Now explain why you think they are more “sperg” than schizo, I hope you didn’t take “schizo” as an insult.
I think you mistake Arabs for Berbers. Consider that we are minorities in our own countries.
Your characterization here paints a picture of Berbers as worse than Niggers and Gypsies.
I am an evil psychopath? I don’t think so.
Zidane is from the exact same Berber people as me, the Kabyle, numbering around 5 million.
Was he wrong to headbutt the Italian player? Is he an evil, lying psychopath with no empathy?
I don’t think so. I think white people have a sense of moral self-righteousness that is almost religious and is quite sickening to see sometimes.
His actions were entirely justified. I have the exact same mentality as he does.
Every action has a consequence.
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Regardless, I don’t see the indoctrinated as human, but as less than human. Would you feel remorse for a zombie? I think not.
I have a great soft spot for children however, as they are simply ignorant, not irreparably stupid or indoctrinated into a cult.
Berber proverb, “If you open the eyes of a blind man he wants to go back to darkness.”
Native Americans are alcoholic drunkards. I bet there’s some schizo there.
1. “alcoholic drunkards” is redundant like “patently obvious”.
2. the evidence regarding the heritability of alcoholism is that it’s not heritable. that is, the h^2s are so small there is no reason to believe there is a genetic predisposition independent of environment.
3. being a native american sucks. i wouldn’t be surprised of the tribes who’ve made bank with casinos have lower rates of “alcohol used disorder”.
4. there is no relationship between SCZ and alcoholism. peepee made this up, like everything else she posts.
For years, researchers have known that people who have schizophrenia tend to develop an addiction to nicotine products.
the description of berbers given by Truthteller is what anyone who has lived near them will say
those aged 15-25 make up a sizeable segment of the petty crime in the nederlands, Belgium and France.
I dont think they have the guts to do that in Italy or Spain.
Most grow out of it as they are no longer nimble enough to evade capture
Aspergers is hypo social + hypo paranoid
That is the complete opposite of berbers
Go to Amsterdam or Brussels or Marseilles , at the right times, and you will see groups of berbers carefully choosing their victims.
they wait for weak or single people and then go for it
it is impossible for aspys to act like that
Aspys are victims. Berbers are the victimizers.
I am only talking about the 15-25 age group
i have never seen any problems with the older ones or the women or the religious ones.
their only problem is a lack of assimilation. Other than that they are harmless
I think you mistake Arabs for Berbers. Consider that we are minorities in our own countries.
It’s you who mistake Berbers and Kabyles in this sentence. Kabyles are a minority in their own country, Algeria. Berbers are the vast majority everywhere in the Maghreb.
Kabyles are Berbers but all Berbers are not Kabyles. You perfectly know that so I don’t really get the mistake you made, seems like you did it on purpose to confuse everyone because you don’t like the fact your people are really how I described them.
If it can rassure you Kabyles act better than other North Africans. They are probably smarter too.
Your characterization here paints a picture of Berbers as worse than Niggers and Gypsies.
Something recurent with Berbers on the Internet: they always need to compare themselves with Blacks, it’s like whenever you point something bad in their behaviour (as a group) they replies you some pathetic whining like “huuuh negros are worse anyway, we are whites and civilised like you, etc, etc”. And actually I think Blacks are clearly worse than your people in some ways, but in other ways you guys are way worse. For Gypsies depends on which ones you are talking about.
Diederik, what you just wrote is pure common sense, and obvious to anyone who has lived near these people. Except for the last sentence which is a total joke.
Read it again and admit it’s a funny one:
their only problem is a lack of assimilation. Other than that they are harmless
L.O.L.
I disagree, Truthteller. All Berbers that identify as Amazigh behave in a civilized manner. ‘Arabized-Berbers’ are the vast majority in Berber countries. These are Berbers that identify as Arab and have Arab blood as a result of race mixing. Many of the ‘Berbers’ you are referring to are Arabs and don’t speak a word of Tamazight. If you hear them screaming in Arabic, they’re Arabs. If they’re dark skinned and behaving like savage animals, they’re Arabs.
So it’s less that I am singling out Kabyle, but rather that I am singling out Amazigh from Arabs, though they are often mixed up.
This is Massinissa Guermah, killed by Arabs and starting the Black Spring, a movement opposing Arabization policies and leading to the recognition of the Tamazight language in Algeria.
Amazigh and Arabs are nothing alike, at all. There are very large Amazigh-Arab tensions inside the Maghreb.
The Berber language (Tamazight), was made a “national language” in the Algerian constitution (but not an “official” language, on par with Arabic, until 2016).
Truthteller
oh i am only talking about crime
I can easily say that i have never had any problems from 70-80% of morrocans i have ever met
its the youth that have turned parts of our cities into nightmares
I really believe we could wipe out 40% of our crime if the morrocans had children after the age of 35
in a comment you mentioned that you had a relative in Nice, so perhaps you have had bad experiences with black people in france
over here the morrocan youth are much worse than the black adults and youth. They dont even compare.
that may sound crazy to you but you just have to believe me
we have suriname black here and most are 20-30% Dutch.
They all have Dutch surnames
Think of Patrick Kluivert, Edgar Davids, Frank Rijkaard and others
they are mostly harmless people. Some of them even look indian.
fenoopy
That picture shows the exact phenotype of many Moroccan criminals in my area.
a few years ago a newspaper here published a report showing that over 90% of Dutch-Morrocans are berber
there is a crazy belief held by the conservative media that if they explain to the morrocans that they are berber then they will stop being criminals.
The ones with white skin are even more criminal than the brown skinned berbers.
the ones with white skin are more likely to commit rape as they feel they can blend into the crowd.
the 10% of berbers with white skin take more chances with stealing and raping.
their white skin makes them bolder
the fact that the white skinned berbers are better at rape is not surprising as the reason they have white skin is because they mixed with southern European women (in many cases rape) .
being the descendant of a rapist is not a sign of superiority
I dont know who you are trying to fool
berber supremacists on the net have a habit of trying to fool people who dont live near berbers.
the big question is why are you so desperate to convince people about your superiority?
if you are so superior then why are you turning our streets into a nightmare ?
you have this strange belief that if your people become non-muslim then they would be first world .
Zimbabwe is 87% christian. Still a nightmare country
religion doesn’t make nations developed or poor
behaviour is what makes nations
The tensions are between the white skinned governments and
the white skinned activists
the white skinned goverment of algeria wants to appease the terrorists who are also white skinned
The leader of the terrorists in algeria
The terrorists dont want French being dominant in their country so the white skinned government tries to appease them by removing french from government documents and replacing it with the only other functional langauge (Arabic)
the tensions in north africa are between white skinned governments and white skinned activists
its descendants of rapists vs descendants of rapists
barbary pirates vs barbary pirates
very similar to black-on-black tensions in chicago
why are you so desperate for ignorant people to think that berbers are a white race?
Is this some kind of Michael Jackson complex ?
i recently read an article about east asians taking dangerous pills to make their skin whiter.
i thought it couldn’t get worse than that
i was wrong
the facts :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-DNA_haplogroups_in_populations_of_North_Africa
if you look at the table you will see the group called ” Tunisia/Jerbian Arab” is more berber (E variants) than the Kabyle
the kabyle are some of the least berber people
the groups which are the most berber ( all E variants) are the ones with the darkest skin.
I have seen a large study that shows that 93.8% of Morrocans are berber
the general rule is that the darker the skin of the north african, the more berber he his
If you see a brown skinned Moroccan/Libyan/Tunisian/Algerian then there is an extremely high chance that they are berber
It is genetically impossible for white skin and green eyes to evolve in Algeria/morroco/tunisia/libiya because those places have a much higher UV ray exposure than the places where white skin and green eyes are selected for
a white skinned person in North Africa is either one of 4
1- a decendant of the spanish/portugese converts who fled Iberia
2- a descendant of someone who married an iberian wife
3- an immigrant
4- a descendant of a barbary pirate rapist who kidnapped southern European women and impregnated them by rape
it is very interesting that you mention zidane
has anyone noticed that its algerians with his phenotype that are the better players?
Piracy requires athleticism because you have to
1- manouver your boat next the european one
2- You then have to to pick the right time to jump of your boat and land on their ship
3- then you have to out-muscle the European sailors and kill them
4. then you have to carry their wealth (gold/silver) and women
5. then you have to jump back onto your boat after throwing the gold an women on there
that level of agility, motor speed, and fast decision making is genetic
I remember years ago (late 90s) seeing zidane stamp on a man like he wanted to kill him.
He has been sent off in two world cups (98 & 06). The first was for another stamping on a man and the second was for headbutting a man for simple trash talk
Zidane = agility + high motor speed + fast decision making +aggression + low self control
That looks like a perfect description of a barbary pirate
Well, they identify as Arabs, but they are Berbers by DNA, they are simply arabized Berbers. The Berbers who were able to resist the arabization are probably the smartest ones, but it doesn’t change the fact that genetically speaking North Africa is Berber, just look at the haplogroups.
To Diedirk,
Actually, there is a reason why the Kabyles (and other coastal North Africans like some in Tunsia who I believe are called “Riffians” have such light features.
Genetically speaking, north Africa prior to Araba conquer was subject to two different genetic migrations in a basic sense, cro-magnons 30,000 BC and neolithic people circa 10,000.
The thing about hunter-gatherers was they, compared to incoming Neolithic people, they had lighter eyes and hair but dark skin.
Genetically, Tunsia had less of a genetic effect of specific migrations due to it’s location, and further Northern Africa at the coast is very mountainous so it encloses people off from sunlight more often and is cooler.
Anthropologists in the past outlined that past that European migrations like certain celts or other light haired people weren’t enough to explain the features, and ruled it down to selection due to the nature of the coast as well as presence of cro-magnon like features.
See the people of the Canary Islanders, genetically they are shown to basically be Neolithic people yet are not uncommonly blonde.
http://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/topic/5100425/9/
See here on Carleton Coon Explanation of “Nordics” in Riffian and kabyles countries.
“(1) The North African Nordics resemble the mixed Nordics of Upper Palaeolithic inspiration found in Ireland and western Norway more than they do the ash-blond Eastern Valley Nordics of Norway, and those of Sweden. Therefore the so-called Nordics of North Africa are a mixture of brunet Mediterraneans of tall stature and considerable facial length with A.falou survivors. The minor blondism of these “Nordics” is derived from the Afalou side of the ancestry.
(2) The North African Nordics were partly formed as stated, but not wholly so, for there are some ash-blonds in the Rif; furthermore, the Riffian Nordics are lighter-haired than individuals of Afalou type, just as European Nordics are lighter-haired than are modern representatives of the Brünn race. Blond hair is positively associated with narrow noses, and the Afalou type nose is moderately broad. Unless it is possible to explain these phenomena as genetic recombinatiOns, we must admit a Nordic invasion of North Africa from Europe or Asia as early as the second millennium B.C. Of the two continents, Asia is by far the more likely immediate source. ”
He did later talk on different light features being present in Kabyles people be correlated with Cromagnon types
“African traits manifest themselves among various Berber groups populations in different ways and to different degrees. Among the Rifians and Kabyles it shows itslef mostly in broad faces, heavy jaws and snub noses. These features are sometimes with red hair, greenish eyes, and freckles.”
He attributes the facial features to ancient Bushman influence (finds lime Nazlet Khatar implied to antropologist in earlier history that Bushmen once inhabited the higher north of Africa) crogmagono types would be likely as well. Iit could be possible that genetic recombination for selection of thinner noses and lighter pigmentation for UV and air adaptation took place.
On the distribution being more common in the mountains and the factor of age.
“The presence of a Nordic element often pointed out by ancient writers, who believed that they percieved some race of Vandal influence, does not appear to be obvious. Such an influence, according to these authors, was evident in light skin pigmentation and pale eyes as well as blonde hair. Although the color of the skin is indeed quite light among the majority of these people(especially the montagnards), dark hair is more predominant. Only an infinitesimal proportion of these subjects have light brown or dark blonde hair, though it is is a bit less rare in mountain areas than in the plains. Moreover, there is only exceptionally a connection between the feature of hair color and that of light-colored eyed. However, among children, especially in Grande Kabylie, blonde hair quite frequent. Such coloring is apparent in most western Mediterranean cultures as well, but the characteristic generally disappears during adolescence. Dark colors are also predominant in the eyes, but green or light chestnut-colored eyes can frequently be found in the mountain areas(Kabylie and especially Aures) and in the high plains in the east. This relative frequency of “mixed” colored eyes is not peculiar to Algerians but is apparent in other countries of North Africa as well, especially in Morocco. In fact, this frequency is also similar to that observable among some populations of the western Mediterranean area (southern Italy, Sicily, Corsica, Sardinia, Spain), where the number of people exhiniting this feature is quite a bit higher than it is in the eastern part of the Mediterranean basin.”
And on the association of light features overall with Cro-magnon types.
“Meyer has himself summarised his ideas and those of Von Luschan concerning the Guanches, whom they believe to have been blonds of white skin, and distinguished from two other types which also inhabited the Canaries. Thus there would be three physically different types.
The first type is formed by the Guanches, whose stature, according to those investigators, was between m. 1.70 and 1.90, bodies robust and head large, markedly dolichocephalic. The forehead was well developed, the occiput strong and low, the face low and broad, the eyes large, the jaws very wide, the cephalic index is 78, the vertical index 73. The nose was relatively short, the teeth but slightly prominent. On the whole, the skull has most resemblance to the prehistoric type of Cro-Magnon. The hair was blond, reddish, or light chestnut; the skin and eyes light. This Guanche type was diffused throughout all the islands, but was purest and most numerous in Teneriffe.
The second type was of stature m. 1.65 to 1.67, slender in body, and with a delicate mesocephalic skull. The face was long and narrow, the nose narrow. The cephalic index is 81, the vertical index 73. A resemblance lo the Hamitic skull cannot fail to be recognised. The hair was black, the skin a light brown, the eyes dark. This type is specially found at Grand Canary, Palma, and Ferro, but not at Gomera.
The third type was of shorter stature on the average than the two previous types. The bones were slender, the skull hypsibrachycephalic, very short, broad, and high. The face was long and narrow, the nose narrow and straight. The cephalic index was 84, the vertical index 79.5. This cranial shape is entirely identical with that called by Von Luschan the Armenoid pre-Semitic of Western Asia. The colour of hair, skin, and eyes most probably corresponded with that of the brunet types of Western Asia. This type was widespread and pure at Gomera, where the second type was absent, but is also traceable in the rest of the archipelago.”
http://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/topic/2099036/1/
Diederik, your piracy simulation made me roar with laughter.
Look, I could care less about being white, though:
1. I am Caucasoid.
2. In America, I am ‘White American’ in census.
Ultimately, I’ll be whatever you want me to be, honey. Even African American.
I don’t dispute that Berbers can be violent and aggressive, but this doesn’t occur in countries that implement consequences. It occurs in ‘weak’ countries with slap on the wrist laws. I was also very aggressive and a petty criminal in my youth, only because I would never be caught and because the benefits were too good.
The only thing I am trying to make clear is that Berbers are as intelligent as any other Caucasian people, though intelligence can vary greatly by tribe. A Negro or Gypsy is not, so it greatly offends me to be compared to one of the two, even if Berbers may well deserve it when behaving in a manner as you described.
I may have been violent as a teenager, but now I am a software engineer. My much older cousin is a surgeon. He was far worse than me. This behavior doesn’t disqualify either of us from possessing the capacity for intellect.
Why do Berbers behave this way? Well, I simply feel no obligation to people or organizations that are not my friends, family or kin.
Neither do Europeans, they see an obligation to laws. Berbers don’t.
The only Europeans who I really admire (as not being hypocritical) are Scandinavians. Their societies are very beautiful and I would not step out of line. Even the corporate bosses care for their people. In Western European societies and America, the upper class is quite literally feeding upon the lower classes in a predatory way, and many of those upper class people are Europeans, some Jews.
Western European societies however are just an utter joke, they’re like big farms for exploitation, hypocrisy and misery. Predatory capitalism pretending to ‘care’. I used to shoplift every single day from chain stores. What do I owe corporate stores? Nothing. Am I a bad apple? I think not. I wouldn’t do the same thing in Scandinavia, or Kabylia for that matter.
So it isn’t that Berbers are less intelligent or more prone to crime, just that they are less suited for ‘wider society’. They are tribalists, feeling an obligation to the tribe and nobody else. Jews are the same way. It doesn’t make them stupid, or psychopaths. They genuinely care for their own, just not for anybody else.*
*Maybe I am giving Jews more credit than they deserve, but I sure hope they care for their own. At least, Berbers do.
White terrorists existing doesn’t make all white people prone to Islamic terrorism and violence, though white people are the most violent islamists of all. Why are there more Berber terrorists than white? Berber countries are Muslim. In white Muslim countries, there’s just as much terrorism from white people. Also, their IQ is reduced by 15 points by Islam despite having the same DNA as any other white people.
I understand that you’ve had a bad experience with Berber hood-rats, but I must explain that they are just that: hood-rats.
They are harmless, just completely disrespectful because they will receive no consequences. They will not break into your house and kill your wife and daughter like blacks in America.
Honestly, you don’t see that kind of behavior outside of these ‘welfare states’, because the welfare Moroccans are just that, welfare Moroccans. You’ve basically invited the Berber equivalent of chavs/trailer-trash to your countries en masse.
What did you expect, really? Thank you for taking out the trash.
Diederik, well you might be right (in a way) saying North Africans are harmless. They have the reputation of being cowards who only attack people in bands. I think Berbers/Arabs have a lot in common with Jews in the sense they are extremely vicious lying sociopaths.
You can invite a North African who you think is your friend into your home, he steal something, and when you expose him he lies, looking you in the eyes, and never admitting is fault. It’s something very similar to jewish chutzpah. Of course they are way dumber and more agressive than Jews.
Gypsies (I’m talking about the ones who recently come from Romania to Western Europe who people wrongly name “Romanians”) are the true “dumber” version of Jews. Berbers/Arabs have a sense of pride which make impossible for them to do things like begging for money in the streets like Gypsies do. They are not total gammas like Jews and Gypsies, they have some alpha in them which make them still much more dangerous and violent than these populations, look at terrorist attacks, gang rapes and riots.
The ones with white skin are even more criminal than the brown skinned berbers.
the ones with white skin are more likely to commit rape as they feel they can blend into the crowd.
the 10% of berbers with white skin take more chances with stealing and raping.
their white skin makes them bolder
Actually if you see a white guy dressed with a tracksuit and acting like a disgusting animal there is 99% he is either a Berber (Kabyle), Albanian or Chechen and not a “real” white person.
berber supremacists on the net have a habit of trying to fool people who dont live near berbers.
100% agree with this.
I don’t dispute that Berbers can be violent and aggressive, but this doesn’t occur in countries that implement consequences. It occurs in ‘weak’ countries with slap on the wrist laws.
Woman harassed by a crowd of men in Tanger :
Also take a look at this : http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/842301/Rabies-gang-rape-donkey-teenagers-Morocco
Filmed sexual agression of young woman in Casablanca : http://www.huffpostmaghreb.com/2017/08/21/agression-sexuelle-jeune-fille-bus-casablanca-sit-in_n_17795290.html
These 3 events occured in Morrocco this summer, I’m simply showing this as a telling example, that’s only the tip of the iceberg.
You are trying to return the responsibility on the host countries while it’s simply your people who are like this.
I was also very aggressive and a petty criminal in my youth, only because I would never be caught and because the benefits were too good.
The only thing I am trying to make clear is that Berbers are as intelligent as any other Caucasian people, though intelligence can vary greatly by tribe. A Negro or Gypsy is not, so it greatly offends me to be compared to one of the two, even if Berbers may well deserve it when behaving in a manner as you described.
I may have been violent as a teenager, but now I am a software engineer. My much older cousin is a surgeon. He was far worse than me. This behavior doesn’t disqualify either of us from possessing the capacity for intellect.
Well what you are telling about yourself simply show you and your cousin have the personality traits of your people and are on the right side of the bell curve. You are what I would call soft sociopaths with high IQs. It doesn’t tell us anything about the intellect of the average Berber. Interesting your cousin is a surgeon, it’s the medical profession with the most sociopaths.
You claim Berbers are just as intelligents as Europeans, it doesn’t show on the data, it doesn’t show in the real world either. Don’t forget, French people build your country. I would even add that from a personal point of view I have observed North Africans to have much smaller cranium than Whites, I’m talking about those in France so there is no malnutrition excuse here.
They genuinely care for their own, just not for anybody else.
The idea that ethnic groups with sociopathic tendancies whether Blacks, Jews, Arabs or Gypsies genuinely care for their own is foolish.
Also, their IQ is reduced by 15 points by Islam despite having the same DNA as any other white people.
At first it sounds like a credible theory but it crumble when you look at IQ scores of muslim SSA countries and non muslim SSA countries and see there is virtually no difference between both groups.
Why the hell my other comment is not published ?
I just published 2 of your comments in the last 5 min.
Where is the third one ?
WordPress sent it to my spam folder for some reason but it’s published now.
Probably because of the links.
I disagree with half of everything you’ve said.
You’ve had some bad and bitter experiences with bad people.
That and you seem to see Europeans as morally superior.
One of the most deluded group of people on this planet are Western Europeans, beaten only by Muslims.
Most Muslims act like irredeemable savages. Christian, Jewish or Atheist Berbers don’t behave like that.
However, I concede to your point that many Berbers behave like savages, because Berbers are composed from so many varying tribes that due to marrying only inside the tribe are very different races in height, appearance, temperament and intelligence. Some Berbers are sub-Saharan but are still considered ‘Berber’ for some reason, as it is just a classification of tribes speaking the Berber Afro-Asiatic languages.
As to Kabyle however, no. For such a tiny population in France, they produce an overwhelmingly large quantity of highly skilled workers, intellectuals, musicians and celebrities. Neither do they behave like low-iq savages. Our anecdotal experiences are radically different. Possibly due to the fact that if you do not live in France, you have never met a Kabyle.
Me and my Cousin are just average Kabyle, not on higher ends of the bell curve. Every single person in my extended family and tribal group has been to university or is currently in university to become a high-skilled worker. We benefit extensively from nepotism and work hard to ensure the collective good of the tribe.
I don’t see Europeans in such a good light as you do, either. My experience with Europeans has been low-iqs, incredible delusion, predatory exploitation of the lower classes and a sense of moral self-righteousness. They eat each other like crabs in a barrel. Most of the upper class in European countries are Jewish or Jewish-European shills.
There’s really nothing to persuade me that Europeans are worth any kind of praise anymore. The ‘Europeans’ that have accomplished anything in history are of Mediterranean descent, just like me. Egypt, Greece and Rome are all Mediterranean cultures, composed from a mix of North and South Mediterraneans. Berbers have produced many Pharaohs, Kings and Roman Emperors over the course of history and northern Berbers by the coast like the Kabyle or Riffians are just as Mediterranean as any other Mediterranean race.
It’s absurd to me that you can claim coastal Berbers are anything but simply Mediterranean. They’re absolutely indistinguishable from Spanish, Greeks and Italians. That picture is of a Riffian man, Kabyle are far whiter.
Smaller cranium?
Utter garbage and nonsense.
I didn’t have experiences with the mysterious Sub-Saharan Berbers you are talking about. Simply regular North Africans who looks like Caucasoids with a tanned skin.
For Kabyles, I already told you they appear as a bit better than the other North Africans in term of achievment. But they are still North Africans. Looked at some French Kabyle musicians:
That’s some example among hundreds of others.
Let’s talk about you and your cousin now, a surgeon and a developer with “super genius pattern recognition skills” are simply average Kabyles ? I wonder why Kabyles don’t dominate the world… may be they are too civilised and moral and use their super genius pattern recognition skills to produce refined arts as shown above, who knows, and who am I as a low IQ European to judge my superiors who were kings, pharaohs and roman emperors while my ancestors were crual barbarians slaughtering each other ?
I’m just insulting you. Of course Europeans are competent, and so are Berbers. They’re no different from any other Mediterraneans.
You’re showing me French gangster music made by Kabyles.
That said, is there anything wrong with being macho? Kabyle are no different from Greeks, Italians or Spanish people.
Kabyle number only 5 million. Europeans something like 1.2 million.
In France, Kabyle are 1 million, but still massively over represented.
Nordics aren’t as smart (on average) as Mediterraneans.
*billion europeans, not million
That said, I don’t think this conversation is going anywhere. I don’t think you can be convinced that Europeans aren’t the moral arbiters of the world, or that non-European Caucasians aren’t inferior barbarians worthy of contempt.
“L’Algerino” like a lot of North Africans, especially in southern France, dreams to be an Italian. I have discussed with Moroccan Berber supremacists over the Internet and they have such a huge complex they talk about Italians as Mediterranean brothers of race. The funny thing is when Italians reject them they insult them of mixed race basterds whose ancestors came from Maghreb. These guys are so dumb and full of hate they don’t realize they are insulting themselves. It’s a bit like the Sub-Saharans trying to insult Berbers saying they are mulattoes. When you insult your superiors you have to attribute them a part of your caracteristics.
You completly fail at passing your people for a race of elites because it’s light years from reality.
I remember I had an argument with a Kabyle on the Internet, it was 2 years ago. The guy was so butthurt (and completly insane) he regularly sent me long messages of insults in private, blocking me just after. He would unblock me weeks later and do the same thing again and again. It still continues to this day. I checked this account today and see he sent me new messages of insults dated from last monday, there were some pornographic pictures supposed to represent him screwing my mom.
I couldn’t picture a White European doing the same thing. And you have the nerve of telling me your people are not schizo ?
If your paranoid brain isn’t convinced by the sincerity of my words, I could show screenshots from the conversation but I don’t think it would interest anyone here.
And yes, Kabyles are over represented in gangsta rap music, much less among engineers.
Btw I don’t think non-european Caucasoids are all inferior barbarians worthy of comtempt. Even if I think you, as an individual, are.
There are some relatively smart and honest non-Whites over there who have the ability for debate without turning it into a battle of ego. G-man is a good example.
“At 86%, the Berbers were more concerned with Jewish international “control,” than previous countries. 85% believed “Jews have too much control over global affairs,” and “Jews have too much power in the business world,” respectively, while 83% said that “Jews have too much power in international financial markets.” Earlier in May, a synagogue in Sfax was ransacked for a third time.”
Maybe they are schizo, they certainly seem to be more aware of people’s opinions than Nordics are, who seem to be entirely oblivious, always.
intentions* not opinions, typed the wrong word
Also the pirates thing is nonsense, Germanics were mean, warring tribal groups too, just like us.
Caucasians are all the same with minor differences. Fact.
Same with Asians.
Germanics were always more moral than Berbers/Arabs, even when they were still tribal and savage.
There are more IQ differences between a White and a Berber/Arab, than between an White and an East Asian. Fact.
That’s a ridiculous myth with no substance whatsoever.
Your sense of moral self-righteousness is quite disgusting.
I’m simply telling it how it is. I’m not judging you. Nobody get to choose his genome.
Will you deny Whites are closer to Asians than to Berbers in term of IQ scores?
Will you also deny muslim SSA countries don’t score different than other SSA on IQ tests ?
Will you deny your 15 IQ points drop in muslim countries is utter and complete garbage ?
but i thank pill for making me think.
i had assumed, though did not know that i assumed, that conspiracy was a binary variable.
this was what zizek, following rumsfeld, termed an “unknown known”.
i see now that “conspiracy” is actually a continuous variable.
the mafia with a written constitution to no conspiracy at all…the between is not a vacuum.
but i don’t think the truth of the matter is only perceptible to schizos. i think the truth can be quantified…it can be demonstrated…its presentation can be ended with “QED”.
but afaik macdonald is the only person who has actually taken a “scientific” interest in the question.
You can prove something without stone wall evidence. The reason why schiz people tend to dominate conspiracy theory as a ‘discipline’, is that they are much more open to (a) the topics and questions and (b) their burden of proof is much lower.
I actually think an objectively strong case can be made on things like patterns, circumstantial evidence, ancillary knowledge, and logical reasoning without confessions and videotapes of the person doing the act or the minutes of a meeting of a group of jews in the CFR talking about ethnic cleansing of arabs using white men.
The burden of proof is basically about how intuitive you see reality in my opinion. People that have no intuition, must use controls and repeat the same thing 50 times to rule out the weather or glaciers melting.
when it’s only one ethnic group one must deal…it’s so much easier…
to pay the gas station attendant 50k USD per year.
from the trailer park, for reals mofo:
until white folks overcome their classism…
THEY WILL BE GENOCOIDE-ED.
the billionaire richer than soros in my town is phil knight (gentile)…and douche.
his fortune is 100% pure marketing…with the help of the world’s best ad agency…wieden and kennedy…which just happens to be in pdx.
make shoes for $5. sell shoes for $150.
it’s easy.
here it is. from the transcript of an episode of This American Life…
It was actually worse than that, because they were parasitic mice. They have what’s called toxoplasmosis, which means they have a– yeah, you might know what this is. They have a parasite in them, and as a result they’re unafraid of cats…
And the way we discovered this was that my wife was watching TV, and she looked next to her. And there was a mouse. And he was watching TV also. And she screamed!
from RadioLab…
…right up to the point that it rewires a rat’s brain. Fuller Torrey details Toxoplasma’s potential associations with other human disorders, possibly even schizophrenia.
http://www.radiolab.org/story/91692-the-scratch/
there are good reasons to believe that peepee and i will live to see a non-black win the men’s 100m at the olympics.
and will almost certainly be a chinese.
the greatest moment in peepee’s life (it was awesome, even though he looked like he was high on coke.):
india is now the world’s most populous country.
when they start eating protein…
wait a second.
let’s be serious.
to date india has won one gold medal in men’s field hockey.
that’s it.
truly sad!
Indians are darkies like us blacks.
You would think they would be strong like us but they aren’t.
You’re right; it’s the protein. If you have to ask, “where’s da beef?”, you’re muscles won’t get big and strong.
If being visual is more autistic
And being verbal is schizo
Then the exaggeration of one over the other would be the explanation.
1 percent of people in America are diagnosed as schizophrenic.
1.5 percentage of people in America are diagnosed with Autism.
This does not match up to the whole problem because philosopher expands this to be a development by “master”. A selection process to get a population to obey. Is 1.5 percent of the population really that useful when the vast majority of technology expertise are not autistic? The video games I have played actually had good storylines. If 10 percent have IQ’s around 120 and 5 percent have IQ’s around 5 percent. Then the selection pressure under a master cannot really be counted on because of Normal people, smart people dwarfs a population that about have such severity in cognitive deficits that only about half can function properly. Temple Grandin was one of the luck ones whole had help to develop her visual skills.
Philosopher means something different than just visual being a determination of Autism. What it is, is creativity. If you can only copy and not produce anything original then that is a big issue. Creativity goes from, poor, to average, to genius. I myself cannot draw but my sister draws photorealistic fantasy dragons. Her visual intelligence might be 140 compared to my visual IQ at 80. She is definitely more creative than me but I am more analytical. High visual and high analytical intelligence is what Hollywood graphics artists have. They need to make digital faces and then animate them. Graphics artists and Videogame makes are some of the most creative people there are. Just look into Pixar that made Inside Out.
The most creative people use computers. I found a blog about how the brain works. It is so simple that it amazes me what a difference of just 12 points can do. DeepMind has 200 Ph.D.’s working for Google in London. I wish I could talk to them because I could ask them about certain ways to develop an A.I. system. Creativity would be one such thing I would talk to them about. I think that philosopher is wrong that A.I. will start out autistic. Because of they have probably already from the capabilities they already displayed, mapped out what autism is and what schizophrenia is in the brain.
Creativity is self-generating from the individual. And consciousness is no less than a model of the self. A self-model is self-generating and is created by a specific recurrent loop structure.
The main point is that Autists are not some selected group, they barely function on a daily basis. The number of creative people that use computers is huge. I do not believe A.I. will be autistic because people developing it have mapped what is genuine social understanding from a self-model. If I can understand that A.I. needs a self-model to be creative why can’t 200 Ph.D.’s with IQ’s 12 points higher than me come to the same realization? I bet at least 10 of those people have IQ’s at or above 140.
Creativity is the aspect of philosophers theory that is what he really is talking about by Autism. Especially the socially creative people than having street smarts. This could be something to consider from people that just follow orders and are stereotyped as the Computer nerd but it breaks down when we consider the digital artists that use computers for more than spreadsheets and word documents.
Autists is just an easier word than saying uncreative people (social skills also).
I listen to music all the time.
I have over 300 videos about music.
I like to listen to music.
I am not sure how I am creative but my crystallized intelligence is quite high. I wish I could draw. Most times I feel life is meaningless. Because I think I should be doing something creative. I try to keep active to avoid the depression.
Amv – Beautiful Moments 720p
https://ideas.repec.org/p/unu/wpaper/wp2016-060.html
The most famous example of conspiracy theory is the JFK assassination. To this day the majority of the public when polled believe the Warren Commission was a lie.
Talbot actually proves it.
But there are maybe 45% of the public who believe it was a lone madman.
Probably higher percentages for MLK, RFK and Malcolm X.
But 50 years ago people like me could easily tell it was a lie. The bigger question was who did it and why and thats what most people can’t figure out.
And from there you could look at all the CIA assassinations in third world countries as ancillary evidence/a pattern and of course the Kennedys attempt to break up the CIA 2 years before as a motive.
You do not need Allen Dulles to take the stand and admit he directed the whole operation from a bunker (which he literally did and is recorded in his diaries). Or Mark Hunt to say he was holding one of the rifles. Or David Rockefeller and the rest of the CFR to explain why.
In my opinion you don’t even need to read Talbots book.
Like the Iraq War WMDs, these things are like pumpkin says, types of IQ tests. But they deal in an area not really covered by science, and have more in common with questions in areas of cryptozoology. Pumpkins favorite subject.
The Giant Squid does exist.
Philosopher, do you not think it’s possible that elites actually believe their propaganda, but on a subconscious level, have a different motive that they don’t even articulate to themselves or each other, but which nonetheless guides their behavior and causes them to appear to be conspiring? For example, a group of non-white elites might actually believe diversity is America’s strength and use their power to lobby for it, but on a subconscious level, they know that diversity behooves their ethnic genetic interests far more than it behooves America, but because no one wants to believe they’re being tribal, they each remain in denial about this belief, even to each other. It’s just one of those things that is never spoken out loud, but absolutely understood.
For this reason I think you greatly exaggerate the extent to which elites sit in a dark room, explicitly plotting their real agenda. They don’t have to, because ethnic cohesion is like a form of ESP.
Most elites are smart enough to KNOW what’s in their group interest without having to huddle together and whisper the real agenda, and I suspect that even among the elites, whispering the real agenda, even in private company, is taboo. One of them just comes up with some bullshit reason for policy X and the rest of the elites instinctively support it, because even if they suspect the stated reason is bullshit, they know said policy behooves their group interests and want to sell it to the masses. No conspiring is needed if elites are smart, tribal, and share the same group interests.
You and Robert come up with thousand contrived reasons why jews dont pick the phone and talk openly about this stuff. You think it was completely accidental that they convinced the foreign policy establishment, intelligence agencies and millitary that the middle east needed to be cleansed, and the following nations in particular? You don’t think they bribe and blackmail politicians? Look at the donor lists of both parties. You think the donors don’t talk to each other? AIPAC/ADL/AJC/SPLC everyone bullshits each other in meetings?
It is much simpler and therefore more logical to say they do conspire, as they had to create Israel in the first place, than to imagine them acting like an ant colony like you and Robert.
Politicians do whatever the big donors, lobbyists, policy experts and media wants them to do and if those groups tend to be pro-Israel, either explicitly or subconsciously, the politicians will have a pro-Israel foreign policy, whether they realize it or not.
Not sure why a secret conspiracy is needed to explain that, except in a minority of cases
If arab americans were 36% of the Forbes 400 and 50% of the media, you’d find America would have a pro-Arab foreign policy. If 36% of the Forbes 400 & 50% of the media were black, they’d have a pro-African foreign policy
It’s just the golden rule. Whoever has the gold, makes the rules
The extent to which intelligence agencies sit in a dark room plotting their agenda is discussed clearly by Yuri Bezmenov and so is the term ‘useful idiots’. I know a lot more on the topic than Philosopher does. I am blessed to not be schizo. Also, these topics are not taboo in the Middle East and its intellectual circles. You can see them on public TV.
And if gentiles are maybe 65% of the forbes and 50% of the media, why doesnt policy reflect gentile interests?
Because white Gentiles don’t see themselves as an interest group
Thats right pumpkin. Gentiles saw themselves as an interest group until Nixon and then had a lobotomy. That makes sentth.
Not disputing Jewish influence weakened white gentile identity, what we’re disputing is the organized secret conspiracy you so psychotically imagine, where they all huddle in a corner and say:
“John here will make anti-white movies in Hollywood, meanwhile Sally here will teach anti-white studies at harvard and joe, i want you to start putting anti-white messages in the popular music, and Tim, you’re job is to promote immigration, and Luke, please promote interracial dating in advertising. Let’s all meet back here in 20 years by which time i expect whites to be less than 50% of the population or you’re all fired”
Well then say something fenoopy. Do you think the jews conspire or not?
Of course they conspire.
The word you are looking for is Communism. The word for the sarcastic quote Pumpkin posted as ‘satire’ is called ideological subversion.
Anatoliy Mikhaylovich Golitsyn was a Soviet KGB defector and author of two books about the long-term deception strategy of the KGB leadership.
In 1984, Golitsyn published the book New Lies For Old, wherein he warned about a long-term deception strategy of seeming retreat from hard-line Communism designed to lull the West into a false sense of security, and finally economically cripple and diplomatically isolate the United States.
Among other things, Golitsyn stated: The “liberalization” would be spectacular and impressive.
There are too many books for me to quote hear. I advise you read ‘New lies for old’.
5 stars on Amazon, it’s a good read for anyone interested in workings of the world in today’s universe.
The author holds three Doctorates and writes on a philosophical level that is hard to grasp. However, incredibly brilliant when you grasp the concepts of Deception and Disinformation.
“John here will make anti-white movies in Hollywood, meanwhile Sally here will teach anti-white studies at harvard and joe, i want you to start putting anti-white messages in the popular music, and Tim, you’re job is to promote immigration, and Luke, please promote interracial dating in advertising. Let’s all meet back here in 20 years by which time i expect whites to be less than 50% of the population or you’re all fired”
Yes jewish groups. elites and heads of film industry or advertising associations are on a first name basis, do talk with each other and do socialise with each other. 100%. Do I think its a command hierarchy like that – no.
But it would be something more consensus driven.
“We’ll keep bashing the dead White males, and the live ones, and the females too, until the social construct known as the White race is destroyed. Not deconstructed, but destroyed. The goal of abolishing the White race is on its face so desirable that some may find it hard to believe that it could incur any opposition other than from committed White supremacists.”
– Jewish Harvard professor, Noel Ignatiev
“When we get ready to take the United States, we will not take it under the labels of Communism we will not take it under the label of *Socialism*. These labels are unpleasant to the American people, and have been speared too much. We will take the United States under labels we have made very lovable; we will take it under *Liberalism*, under *Progressivism*, under *Democracy*. But take it we will.”
– Alexander Trachtenberg at the National Convention of Communist Parties, Madison Square Garden, 1944.
“Our control Commissions will, in the interest of peace and wiping out our interracial tensions, forbid the whites to mate with white. The white woman must cohabit with members of the dark races, the white men with black women. Thus the white race will disappear, for mixing the dark with white means the end of the white man, and our most dangerous enemy will become only a memory. We shall embark upon an era of ten thousand years of peace and plenty, the Pax Judaica, and our race will rule undisputed over the world. Our superior intelligence will easily enable us to retain mastery over a world of dark people.”
– Taken from a speech by “Rabbi” Rabinovitch in Budapest in 1952
In this sense I find conspiracy theories of all sorts intellectually stimulating.
Is fluoride and attempt to offload chemical by product onto the public by putting it into the water supply? [redacted by pp, sept 21, 2017]
The official version of most events over the past 150 years have been lies in most nations of all races and types of government. The only thing that doesn’t change is how naive and gullible people on the bottom are to the psychopathic tendencies of those at the top
The only nations of man where their elites were not predatory all the time were white nations. Particularly nordic nations.
Now that our elite has been replaced by jews, the predation returns and soon society will resemble any other non western society, precisely because the elite are a different race of man and thus, have a different genetic psychological tendency toward psychopathy. Therefore I expect, conspiracy theorists to be more important than ever, just as they are in most arab, latin american and asian nations.
Robert is not right when he says class matter more than race. I believe race of the elites is more important to the level of predation e.g. colonialism than the economic structure of incentives. I believe the economic structure of incentives is a genetic symptom of race.
robert doesn’t believe that and never said he did.
what’s your first language pill?
If a tree falls in a forest and nobody can see it, did it fall.
Yes.
Postmodernism is a crime against the truth. Perception is irrelevant. Thats why we invent scientific instruments to ‘perceive’ things we usually can’t.
Right now at this moment, there are forces that some speculate exist that we don’t have the instruments to measure, but exist nonetheless.
In the same way gravity existed in Socrates time and the 4 elements.
What the hell are you talking about? Marx said:
1. Religion was really a means of suppressing the proletariat. The so called opiate of the masses. This was definitely subversive at the time.
2. Colonialism was a way to enrich a small landed elite of most nations rather than the nation. The rationale for colonialism to the public was jingoistic at the time.
3. Debt slavery.
4. Education and media serve the elite, not to inform.
5. Elements of patriarchy and early feminist theory.
These were definitely conspiracy theories for the time they were written.
Opiates are pain relievers.
The real meaning of that phrase is:
Religion is the Tylenol of the masses.
Before the printing press, there was no mass media.
Books can at the right time to spread the Gospel as it did.
Even alot of what Chomsky says can be labelled conspiracy theory.
The only issue most people have with conspiracy theory is the label, because of Dulles Operation Mockingbird to link the name to insanity around the JFK murder. In reality, saying there is a planned operation of subversion, deceit or predation is conspiracy theorising.
‘Race is only a skin colour’ is a conspiracy theory. The people promoting that are just too fuckin stupid to realise it.
maybe this is the difference between pill and me. alex jones interviews noam chomsky. pill is alex jones.
what i said pill is that inequality and ethnic, cultural heterogeneity go together. they are strongly correlated across the world. this isn’t an accident. so that in the US there is only one party, the business party, the party of the rich. they can’t get any votes if they’re honest, so they sell themselves on “social issues” and identity politics.
All of this wont end until people say openly most of the politicians across the West are bribed and blackmailed by jews in an organised effort.
What is the cover of a magazine supposed to be evidence for?
Evidence that I’m right in the eyes of Newsweek
Evidence that you’re desperate for validation of the negroid phenotype that you’ll resort to media outlets that advertise via exaggeration to attract people.
Seriously, I go through the trouble of the topic through various genetic and phenotypical studies, finding news ones and digging up old ones from old threads, and you now crutch yourself on this.
“Evidence that I’m right in the eyes of Newsweek”
Seriously, I go through the trouble of the topic through various genetic and phenotypical studies, finding news ones and digging up old ones from old threads, and you now crutch yourself on this.
No, I was just answering Melo’s question. I’ll reply to your comments within the next several days.
I think you’re forgetting how you made this whole article basically out of response to my comments in the IQ and agriculture article.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Scout_Schultz
Another schizo tranny engineer bites the dust.
I thought this was funny because most of the engineers I knew were very conservative.
So this proves the Afrocentrists right. Blacks are the oldest race so we’re the fathers to everyone else.
Everyone here should treat me with respect, as if I’m your father:
I am in for respect 🙂
Bantu (Blacks) come from Aboriginal Africans. Indians come from Aboriginal Asians.
Aboriginal Asians have black skin, but are not ‘Black’ aka Bantu in the modern sense of the word. Indo-Aryan Caucasian races come from Aboriginal Asians. All Aboriginals come from truly ancient human races such as the Bushmen, the dumbest and oldest human race of all time.
So no, blacks are unique in the sense that African & Asian Aboriginals split off from each other a very long time ago. Blacks then developed from African Aboriginals while the rest of the human race developed from Asian Aboriginals.
As for you, I doubt you’re fully Bantu blood. You are too clever for that.
Chances are, you are a mixed form of Bantu. Either the African-American, often lighter skin and mixed with white (slave master or Irish slave), or Ethiopian/Nubian, Semitic mixed ‘Blacks’.
Full blooded Bantu are very stupid, practically 100% of the time. Mixed race ‘blacks’ vary in intelligence and some can be smarter than ‘white’ people, in my experience.
“Asians.
Aboriginal Asians have black skin, but are not ‘Black’ aka Bantu in the modern sense of the word. Indo-Aryan Caucasian races come from Aboriginal Asians. All Aboriginals come from truly ancient human races such as the Bushmen, the dumbest and oldest human race of all time.
So no, blacks are unique in the sense that African & Asian Aboriginals split off from each other a very long time ago. Blacks then developed from African Aboriginals while the rest of the human race developed from Asian Aboriginals.
As for you, I doubt you’re fully Bantu blood. You are too clever for that.
Chances are, you are a mixed form of Bantu. Either the African-American, often lighter skin and mixed with white (slave master or Irish slave), or Ethiopian/Nubian, Semitic mixed ‘Blacks’.
Full blooded Bantu are very stupid, practically 100% of the time. Mixed race ‘blacks’ vary in intelligence and some can be smarter than ‘white’ people, in my experience.”
While you are indeed correct in regards to genetic association, “stupid” 100% of the time is incorrect.
If you read African Ethnology, the “stupid ones” were the ones near the coast, the inland ones weren described as being more advance.
Examples would be the Yoruba, Igbo, Ashanti, Dahomeans, etc. Bantus as well weren;t all “stupid”. For examples from the Congo region into Southern Africa they were noted for their ability of blacksmithing and such.
The reason why many others were described often as “stupid” is basically because, unlike most other Eurasian people, they were very divided by language and perceive identity, there developments expected from diffusion didn;t spread that far across that region of the continent and only certain large tribes were noted for ability of advancement.
If you want I can even cite some sources from the 18th and 19th century.
I disagree. Anything below 100 IQ is stupid.
An average of 65 – 75 depending on Bantu population is enough to be considered mentally retarded in scientific terminology.
The average Bantu is mentally retarded.
“I disagree. Anything below 100 IQ is stupid.
An average of 65 – 75 depending on Bantu population is enough to be considered mentally retarded in scientific terminology.
The average Bantu is mentally retarded.”
You do understand that
1. that is an average, doesn;t take into consideration of subgroups like I used.
2. By that logic, Indians and many middle easterners are “stupid” as well.
3. My diasgreement was that they were ALL stupid.
I understand, but Indians and Middle Easterners have had civilizations and built grand historical monuments.
Even if there was a clever Bantu minority, Bantu have built nothing, ever.
“I understand, but Indians and Middle Easterners have had civilizations and built grand historical monuments.
Even if there was a clever Bantu minority, Bantu have built nothing, ever.”
You do understand that the Bantu are just one group of people right of SSA? Plus they were mainly pastoralists who wouldn;t make many permanent structures.
Dor SSa populations that did, see sudano-sahelian archiecture, Bakuda architecture, Bamileke Architecture, and 18th century yoruba palaces.
*for SSA populations that did.
Images
Bamileke
Sudano sahelian
Yoruba
https://sites.google.com/site/afropedea/_/rsrc/1468755125610/imagestore/yorubapalace4.JPG?height=216&width=320
Benin
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&ved=0ahUKEwjunYuq_LnWAhXHZiYKHaciDtkQjBwIBA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.blackhistorymonth.org.uk%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F10%2FBenin-City-1891.jpg&psig=AFQjCNEySs6GseuTnQ5KNwwKIkBUVoC-PQ&ust=1506210183761914
Dahomey
Details on Bakuba architecture.
http://kubaafricanart.weebly.com/architecture.html
I won’t lie, I am very impressed to see such structures from a SSA civilization.
They are intelligent for blacks.
However, they cannot be compared to North Africans or any other Asiatic Mongoloid or Caucasian race on planet earth.
North African Berbers were building this in the time Sub-Sharan Africans were building ‘advanced mud huts’.
North Africans had hordes of SSA slaves, too, so don’t say they had no contact.
Europeans and Asians were equally as advanced. North Africans have had contact with SSA from pre-history. All achievements made in Africa for all of time have been from North Africans or peoples with Semitic admixture (Ethiopians, Nubians).
American Mongoloids were building this.
Arabs, who are considered a particularly stupid people, compared sometimes to SSA, were building this.
SSA are simply one of the most stupid people on this earth, proven time and time again. A minimum IQ of 90 is necessary for civilization, which SSA do not have.
I’m always glad for Phil78s contributions. Very interesting…
As for my ancestry, I think I’ve mentioned it a number of times. I’m about 75-80% sub-saharan, fairly typical for African-Americans.
Even assuming SSA IQ at 80 or even 85 (as Pumpkin has suggested), a lot (like the vast majority below 80) would be unfit for a modern economy. Same is true for many Southern Asian groups and some Native American groups. And most Aborigines are probably below IQ 85.
Arab achievements are questionable. Many of them are actually Persian/Iranian.
“I won’t lie, I am very impressed to see such structures from a SSA civilization.
They are intelligent for blacks.
However, they cannot be compared to North Africans or any other Asiatic Mongoloid or Caucasian race on planet earth.”
I don’t disagree, but given how stone in their area is more scarce they would have to use different material.
Dhar Tichitt uses stone, but that was likely diffused by North Africans.
“North African Berbers were building this in the time Sub-Sharan Africans were building ‘advanced mud huts’.
“North Africans had hordes of SSA slaves, too, so don’t say they had no contact.”
North Africans had slaves from Nilo-sharans and Mande people, those are different from Dahomeans , Yoruba, Etc. during the Middle ages who were further south.
Further, those slaves in West Africa only go back towards Middle ages reliably, most black slaves prior were in East Africa.
So “contact” indicated through slaves doesn’t exactly tell much about the extant.
“Europeans and Asians were equally as advanced. North Africans have had contact with SSA from pre-history. All achievements made in Africa for all of time have been from North Africans or peoples with Semitic admixture (Ethiopians, Nubians).”
Except for Nok, Ile Ife, Ashanti Terracotta, Djenne Jenno, Dhar Tichitt.
“SSA are simply one of the most stupid people on this earth, proven time and time again. A minimum IQ of 90 is necessary for civilization, which SSA do not have.”
You do understand that, with my note on the limited contact they had with North Africans despite slaves they got from Northern tribes, those structures with the exception of MesoAmericans were based from the same sources of Meditteranean Sea People exchanging idea?
And with that said MesoAmericans and some South Americans who likely were inspired by them weren;t the rule, as further north Native Americans, who had lower population density like Africans due to their more nomadic lifestyle, had only mounds as popular monuments.
I agree, they are questionable. When ‘Arab’ achievements are investigated, it often turns out they are Berber or Persian.
That said, Arabs are composed from many tribes and peoples like SSA are and Syrian Arabs are particularly intelligent. Assad and his wife are very clever individuals.
When I say “inspired by them” I meant South Americans with Meso Americans, not these groups towards Mediteranean groups.
Also, your photos are mostly modern one’s with more recent photography at it’s aid to capture the scale of the architecture.
Here’s drawn layout of Benin City Nigeria.
Close up photo of the walls.
https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/a27154b771f9ca2f3cfd8942c8f92c2169350f9a/0_0_500_358/master/500.jpg?w=300&q=55&auto=format&usm=12&fit=max&s=ecadb103d0ac4ce00813508b5753ee44
To the Credit of Arabs, if not of actual ancestral ones, these civilization are likely attributal to related peoples prior to the importation of slaves.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabian_Peninsula#Pre-Islamic_Arabia
“And with that said MesoAmericans and some South Americans who likely were inspired by them weren;t the rule, as further north Native Americans, who had lower population density like Africans due to their more nomadic lifestyle, had only mounds as popular monuments.”
Maybe we can deduce that northern Native Americans are not as clever as southern Americans, even today.
Berber nomads are considerably less intelligent than their cousins, Berber agriculturalists. Either a higher IQ is necessary for agriculture, or agriculture begins the selection process for higher IQ.
“Maybe we can deduce that northern Native Americans are not as clever as southern Americans, even today.”
That somewhat hard to tell given how both had different experiences with europeans.
And as far as purebloods go, the seem to be pretty similar throughout the Americas on official IQ tests, but who knows?
“Berber nomads are considerably less intelligent than their cousins, Berber agriculturalists. Either a higher IQ is necessary for agriculture, or agriculture begins the selection process for higher IQ.”
While a certain IQ level I think is necessary for agriculture, I doubt it’s much higher from the beginning seeing how pastoralism isn’t exactly a lazy or mentally easy lifestyle.
Seeing how civilization goes in the pattern of agricultural surplus an then specilization of skills and comepetition between settlements, I would say it selects for intelligence.
Pastoralism, by comparison, leaves less room for innovation.
I must remark that you have changed my mind and I can now see that some elements of the Bantu were capable of civilization, albeit not to the scale of other races.
All races are capable of civilization, but only caucasoids & mongoloids are capable of creating civilization
Apparently Native Americans average to about 85 to low-mid 90s, lanother source avergaing it to about 87, with Inuit, who have done less in History, are 91.
https://books.google.com/books?id=PCU0RwDI6c4C&pg=PA307&lpg=PA307&dq=Amerindian+IQs&source=bl&ots=sATLXlDbXh&sig=50trmxWv0Ot5CbVd1X1qSBmxEeI&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjZ8-6KmrrWAhXG7CYKHaJLCMMQ6AEIVzAJ#v=onepage&q=Amerindian%20IQs&f=false
Mexican Indians are 83
https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-biosocial-science/article/ethnic-and-racial-differences-on-the-standard-progressive-matrices-in-mexico/8C9D2C1A845C38D30C0577730177EF49
My guess is that the stratification of the IQ distribution caused by Post Agricultural skills could cause progress differences rather than the necessary mean itself.
That is, as a alternative idea to than just selection which I’m not opposed to.
“I must remark that you have changed my mind and I can now see that some elements of the Bantu were capable of civilization, albeit not to the scale of other races.”
I can agree with this point.
“All races are capable of civilization, but only caucasoids & mongoloids are capable of creating civilization.”
While you have distinguished Civilization from Agriculture I must ask, what is your qualifications for “Civilization”?
In the essential sense, Civilization would be the onset of Urban specialization of trades and positions, long distance trade, all springing from agricultural surplus.
In this regard, Negroid certainly have accomplished this via Nok and Djenne Jeno, the latter likely springing from likely Berber diffused cultures of Dhar Tichitt.
If you look at the only 6 civilizations to emerge independently (Egypt, Mesopotamia, the Indus Valley, China, Mexico and Peru) they were all made by folks with exposure to the last wurm glacitation, prior to which humans were too dumb to create civilization
To Phil:
“Dhar Tichitt uses stone, but that was likely diffused by North Africans.”
That’s not likely at the time. Nearby Berbers did not really build in stone (and Berbers/NORTH Africans did not arrive until around 700bc—the stone building base art Dhar Tichitt started around 17,000 bc, though the settlements begin somewhat earlier— and they were semi-nomads who are believed top have contributed to the downfall of Dhar Tichitt with their raids. The building style of Tichitt/Walata does not show sign of Berber/North African influence. Its style and plan is more like that of the compounds of Mande peoples (the Tichitt people probably being old Soninke who are Mande) which also occur further south which were sometimes built in adobe or mud-brick. The nearest Berbers building significantly in stone were more North (the Garamantean culture, which was very different in building style and influenced by the cultures of the Mediterranean, including the Greco Roman.
Also, some of the architecture of the Ghanaian Ashanti:
http://omgvoice.com/news/life-ashanti-region19th-century/
http://historum.com/middle-eastern-african-history/67141-african-architecture-ashanti-very-particular.html
The Bantu tribes of Southern Africa—mostly Northern South Africa and Zimbabwe—arround the Limpopo Valley region, of course also built in stone (which tended to be more available there than elsewhere in Africa: the great Zimbabwe culture, Khami, Dhlo Dhlo, Thulamela, Mapungubwe)
Edit: “Nearby Berbers did not really build in stone—in the relevant period…”
Cont:
Also, a Bini images of a part of the Benin city palace:
The people of Benin kingdom Nigeria also built a large system of moats and earthworks (earth fortifications, (similar to the monumental earthworks or parts or Europe in antiquity and the Early middle ages, somewhat like Offa’s Dyke in England of the large ditch/fort systems of some of the celtic peoples, or the Amerindian mound builders on America’s Mississippi region though the mound builder structures were not usually for defense).
Many Yoruba city-states (of Central Nigeria) had similar moat-wall systems sometimes carved out of the stony ground or even bedrock (or lateritic soil). The largest in Yorubaland was around the City state of Ijebu and is known as Sungbo’s Eredo (it, like the Benin City one was begun around 700-800 AD in its early phase.
The Eredo of Ijebu:
https://www.google.com/search?biw=1192&bih=818&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=benin+earthworks&oq=benin+earthworks&gs_l=psy-ab.3..0.3900.6395.0.7049.16.16.0.0.0.0.192.1564.6j8.14.0….0…1.1.64.psy-ab..2.14.1560…0i67k1.0.BHEghRDBEwc#imgrc=eDPzZsixwlOAtM:
https://csweb.bournemouth.ac.uk/africanlegacy/sungbo_eredo.htm
Benin earthworks (see map of the wall/earthwork complex representing the various walls of the towns and city districts and subsections, at bottom of first link below):
https://csweb.bournemouth.ac.uk/africanlegacy/benin_Iya_earthworks.htm
https://www.google.com/search?biw=1192&bih=818&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=benin+earthworks&oq=benin+earthworks&gs_l=psy-ab.3..0.3900.6395.0.7049.16.16.0.0.0.0.192.1564.6j8.14.0….0…1.1.64.psy-ab..2.14.1560…0i67k1.0.BHEghRDBEwc#imgrc=W2SoMnX6919w8M:
a section of the moat of Owu (another Yoruba city)—not to be confused with the Yoruba city of Owo:
https://csweb.bournemouth.ac.uk/africanlegacy/orile_owu.htm
Though in some parts of Africa architecture was not as “grand” or advanced as parts of Eurasia, due in part to the lack off availability of certain materials, the art of the African kingdoms and even of some of other tribes) often reached a very high quality (e.g. that of Benin in Nigeria, Ife, Owo, Ijebu, Ashanti, Kuba, Kongo, Ashanti, Djenne Jenno, and many others).
Correction:
The first link I labelled as of the Eredo (from google images) was actually from Benin city (and I mistakenly listed it as the of Eredo and then again under its correct label)
Some images of the Eredo moat/wall (whose size/length is measured to be roughly that of Manhattan):
https://www.google.com/search?q=eredo&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjVk4z3qLrWAhUF04MKHcjMBq4Q_AUICigB&biw=1192&bih=818#imgrc=bz79059cpwCrsM:
https://www.google.com/search?bih=818&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=eredo&oq=eredo&gs_l=psy-ab.3..0i67k1j0j0i67k1j0.2835.3509.0.4475.5.5.0.0.0.0.94.436.5.5.0….0…1.1.64.psy-ab..0.5.434….0.9cC3NWoRq1Y#imgdii=7U-ZXVmUNxcbkM:&imgrc=oyANRptJTKd4iM:
“Djenne Jeno, the latter likely springing from likely Berber diffused cultures of Dhar Tichitt.”
Neither show Berber influence (and such is not believed by archaeologists). They’re both very Mande cultures (from their art, tools, building styles, down to their staple crops which are native African rice and Millet/Sorghum whereas the Berber civilizations of the north Maghreb were based on the Mediterranean wheat. The Southern Berbers of the time; the ancestors of the nomadic Berber-speakingTouareg and of the “white” Moors of Mauritania then tended to be relatively primitive—not urban though some may have had permanent settlements. But they had not yet migrated to Tichitt region (which borders Mali) at the peak of the Tichitt culture, their arrival rather coinciding more with its decline (which might have been caused by both climate change—drying/desertification—and conflict between incoming Berber tribes and native Mande/Soninke peoples.
Edit:
“Nearby Berbers did not really build in stone (and Berbers/North Africans did not arrive until around 700bc—…”
*”the most nearby Berbers did not..”
I’m very impressed with the images here, especially the stone temples. I thought it beyond the ability of Bantu Africans up until now.
To Fenoopy:
(regarding the Ashanti buildings) I think some of them are adobe and/or mud brick (materials suited to the climate that were also used sometimes by by the Pueblo Indians of the US for instance, or some other Middle Eastern cultures) Though some though might also be of stone (or partly of stone).
I think some are temples while others are palaces/palace courtyards and other buildings related to the nobility and government of the kingdom.
Also, Bantu is only one small and relatively recently diverging/young (ethnographic-linguistic) subgroup of the larger and much more ancient Niger-Congo language family (originally from Cameroon or the nearby Congo area, and it later spread over Central Africa, into Southern Africa and to the East). Most West Africans are not Bantu, but rather belong to other branches of the Niger-Congo language family/ethno-linguistic family. (Some Cameroonian languages—like Bamileke, Bamoum, Bafut, etc—though are Bantu, or from a branch of Niger-Congo that is very close to Bantu)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bantu_languages
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niger–Congo_languages
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niger–Congo_languages#/media/File:Map_of_the_Niger–Congo_languages.svg
Edit:
“…adobe and/or mud brick (materials suited to the climate that were also used sometimes by by the Pueblo Indians of the US southwest for instance, or by some Middle Eastern cultures)”
Sorry, correction again:
I said:
” recently diverging/young (ethnographic-linguistic) subgroup of the larger and much more ancient Niger-Congo language family (originally from Cameroon or the nearby Congo area,…”
My phrasing was ambiguous.
I meant that the Bantu branch came from (diverged in) the Congo/Cameroon region. Proto/ancestral Niger-Congo itself (the parent group) likely came (not from Central Africa) from the Savannah region of West Africa, perhaps around Mali, or a bit East somewhere roughly Near the Southwest third of Niger or near Mali/Burkina Faso
To Jm8, thanks for the additional examples that i left out for the sake of brevity.
Reharding Dhar Tichitt,
Comparing the two I see what you mean.
To PP
“If you look at the only 6 civilizations to emerge independently (Egypt, Mesopotamia, the Indus Valley, China, Mexico and Peru) they were all made by folks with exposure to the last wurm glacitation, prior to which humans were too dumb to create civilization.”
That doesn’t really address whether or not Native cultures in Africa, as I mentioned, develop the facets of civilization that I’ve addressed.
You just gave a list of societies meeting the full criteria such as writing, yet “civilization” traits from and overall functional point of viw were present in West Africa’s Iron age, possibly earlier given Jm8’s account of Dhar Tichitt.
It’s not just that those 6 civilizations met the full criteria, but also that they emerged independently. The African civilizations you cite all appeared either near North Africa or near the ocean, suggesting they were inspired by contact from non-blacks.
To PP
“The African civilizations you cite all appeared either near North Africa or near the ocean, suggesting they were inspired by contact from non-blacks.”
This is not the case. The cultures of the Yoruba (like Ife, Ijebu, and Owo) are neither coastal nor near North Africa and (also) begin well before European contact, not do they show evidence of such contact of influence—or that of any North Africans—(the Benin kingdom began before European contact as well). Nor does the much more ancient Nok of Central Nigeria (neither Near the Coast nor near the areas inhabited by Berbers/Non-Blacks, and is very distinct and indigenous.
The nearest non-blacks (southern Berbers) to Sahelian black Africans (like the Mande peoples of Mali) were not very advanced at that time and did not create towns or art in anything like the same styles (as I explained re Dhar Tichitt)—and many of them (nomads Berbers) did not farm (other Berbers further north around Morocco partook of the Mediterranean of Agriculture, different from the Sahelian). Iron metallurgy in South East Nigeria (at Nsukka/Leijja) and possibly also Central central Nigeria (Nok) predates iron metallurgy in the relevant parts of the Maghreb/North Africa and North East Africa.
http://www.academia.edu/4103707/Iron_and_its_influence_on_the_prehistoric_site_of_Lejja
The cultures of Cameroon like the Bamileke, Phil cited (and showed the architecture of) are from the grassland region of Cameroon. And that is neither near the coast nor anywhere near non-blacks. The same is true of The Kuba. And the Congo kingdom (with its art) predated its contact/trade with the Portuguese (which incurred a bit later).
Edit:
“Nor was the much more ancient Nok of Central Nigeria (neither Near the Coast nor near the areas inhabited by Berbers/Non-Blacks, and is very distinct and indigenous.”
That picture is of the Alhambra in spain
It was built in the 9th century. The first berber fiefdom was only founded in 11th century Morocco
more like Spanish and Greek
there are a long list of spanish scholars who they claim as either berber or persian
they have a habit of claiming anyone who didnt have a lineage based surname
there are a few smart azeris in north west Iran but thats it
those azeris are genetically closer to Georgians than Iranians
those azeris are similar to the Hungarians in that they both speak a non-european language but are both european by DNA
Anyone who has been on political forums will know that there are massive flame wars between azeris and persians.
There is major resentment towards the azeris as they are the ruling class.
the current supreme leader is azeri
Okay, lets see, “Dhar Tichitt”, “Nok”, “Ile Ife”.
Neither of the two Nigerian are particular close to the ocean, Jm8 explain the unlikeliness of berber contact for Dhar Tichitt.
This is where you clearly don;t know what you are talking about, because so far none have been associated with actual diffsuionist theories regarding the origin of their culture.
Phil78, Dhar Tichitt was in Mauritania which borders both the ocean and North Africa.
Nok, Ile Ife, Benin kingdom and Igbo-Ukwu were in Nigeria which borders the ocean. Djenné-Djenno was in Mali which borders North Africa. Dhar Tichitt is in Mauritani which borders both North Africa and the ocean.
And settlements typically rely on agriculture which was brought to Africa by Caucasoids from the Middle East
To PP,
“Phil78, Dhar Tichitt was in Mauritania which borders both the ocean and North Africa.”
See Jm8
“Nok, Ile Ife, Benin kingdom and Igbo-Ukwu were in Nigeria which borders the ocean. Djenné-Djenno was in Mali which borders North Africa. Dhar Tichitt is in Mauritani which borders both North Africa and the ocean.
And settlements typically rely on agriculture which was brought to Africa by Caucasoids from the Middle East.”
See Nok
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&ved=0ahUKEwi6vsKm8bvWAhUFKyYKHQBwATEQjBwIBA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2Ff%2Ffd%2FNok-map.png&psig=AFQjCNET2ruuEiZxvwdTs5DhAW-CZOjFjg&ust=1506275939893390
It lies in North-Central Nigeria a stop sharply near the coast.
Second, Are you even aware of the dates of these cultures and there actual continuity in relation to one another COMPARED to agriculture appearing there?
At the Sahel, agriculture is arguably about 4.5k to 7k years old. Not only that, it is argued to be independent unlike Egypt.
https://books.google.com/books?id=cXuCjDbxC1YC&pg=PA27&lpg=PA27&dq=independent+agriculture+sahel&source=bl&ots=W5cTbsYGBK&sig=gIWBzMPx3jZbHro6bTNTxcGzuwI&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjvmMiZ87vWAhXENSYKHYIqAv4Q6AEIUTAG#v=onepage&q=independent%20agriculture%20sahel&f=false
Third, diffusion of Agriculture isn’t the same as diffusion of culture. Agriculture’s roots are in villages, actual centralized Urban areas are the actual form of Civilization.
Otherwise, Egypt wouldn’t be independent as it didn’t invent agriculture.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agriculture#History
Fourth, following my previous point, you pointing POSSIBLE contact zones isn’t the same as a diffusionist theory.
Unless you have some model to explain immigrants developing the transition from Urban areas to Villages, you didn;t answer my question.
“Phil78, Dhar Tichitt was in Mauritania which borders both the ocean and North Africa.
Nok, Ile Ife, Benin kingdom and Igbo-Ukwu were in Nigeria which borders the ocean. Djenné-Djenno was in Mali which borders North Africa. Dhar Tichitt is in Mauritani which borders both North Africa and the ocean.”
As I said, there is not evidence of North African influence in Dhar Tichitt. Its cultural affinities are Mande, not Berber, and the closest non-black North Africans (the more southern Berbers of the time—not the more distant northern Berbers of the Meditteranean) had cultures that were very different (and less advanced). Dhar Tichitt is not in Coastal Mauritania (near the ocean) but land closer to the southeast of the not far from Mali. The Berbers that were the closest (and are not in evidence in that part pf Mauritania at that time (they came later, and of course are there now), did not have that kind of building style, pottery, etc).
Ife Benin, and Igbo Ukwu are in parts of Nigeria that are not Coastal (more inland Nigeria). And Nok is even more inland in the Benue river valley. The more coastal areas are were often the less advanced (except for more coastal Benin Nigeria, which was influenced by Ife, and the Yoruba—though towns and settlement consolidation with earthworks started there even before the Yoruba influenced phase—and had its kingdom well before it stared to trade with Portugal). Evidence for European influence is not present in the relevant periods. These cultures are very distinctively SSA and specifically local West African). Any outside contacts (until well after their formations) were very marginal, and in many cases non-existant. The Ocean trade did not start until later.
“And settlements typically rely on agriculture which was brought to Africa by Caucasoids from the Middle East”
That is not the case (except for parts of East Africa and the northern Maghreb, which adopted Middle eastern wheat/barley based agriculture and other cultural traits—and have substantial ancestry/admixture from the neolithic Middle easterners that brought it). But SS West Africa had its own domestication events—independant but likely a bit later (beginning in the archaeological record locally with the intensive gathering of wild native staples and developing gradually into full cultivation—as is the process with plant domestication). In the Sahel and savannah (near the Southern/Central Niger in Mali and/or the Senegal river valley), the local crops were and are the native African rice (oryza glaberimma), millet and sorghum as well as sesame and black eyed peas/cowpeas. In the West Africa forrest region, the native crops were the native yam (diascorea aleata) and the oil palm. Mediterranean wheat and barley agriculture from the Middle East did not reach those areas until much later.
Edit:
“That is not the case (except for parts of East Africa—namely Egypt and much of horn part of E. Africa—and the northern Maghreb, which adopted Middle eastern wheat/barley based agriculture and other cultural traits—and usually have significant ancestry/admixture from the neolithic Middle easterners that brought it…”
Cont (should have/meant to include earlier):
A view of some of the oldest ruins at Dhar Tichitt (like structures at Jenne Jeno and elsewhere in the Mande world and around Mali and the sea western savannah and sahel, walls and houses—in the earlier phase—tend to be round or at least squarish and round dull cornered and with a traditional Mande compound-like plan.—also vaguely similar (though distinct/not directly related) to the stone wall and compound style of the Limpopo valley-region Bantu kingdoms (like Great Zimbabwe, and the lesser known Khami, Danan’ombe/Dhlo-Dhlo, and Mapungubwe)
neolithic Tichitt:
https://www.google.com/search?q=dhar+tichitt&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi6oPKxgLzWAhUBSSYKHSzcCAIQ_AUICygC&biw=1097&bih=751#imgrc=bgWbEAK9S1e9_M:
a map of neolithic-era Tichitt walls
https://www.google.com/search?q=dhar+tichitt&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi6oPKxgLzWAhUBSSYKHSzcCAIQ_AUICygC&biw=1097&bih=751#imgrc=ckG-sZvjEeJH8M:
Khami:
https://afrolegends.com/2015/08/14/the-khami-ruins-remnants-of-a-great-civilization-in-southern-africa/
Dhlo Dhlo:
https://www.google.com/search?q=dhlo+dhlo+ruin+Africa&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjOntOTgrzWAhUM5iYKHWtWC-IQ_AUIDCgD&biw=1097&bih=751#imgrc=eqZ3OiHvVGh5GM:
Perhaps some better examples of Dhlo Dlo, Khami and Zimbabwe:
http://tarmo-rtw.blogspot.com/2011/12/zimbabwe-khami-ruins-and-matobo-hills.html
https://www.google.com/search?q=great+zimbabwe&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiprPv6hbzWAhXG5CYKHWm8BsQQ_AUICigB&biw=1097&bih=751#imgrc=pF0nRlPXmyNK7M:
Berbers ruled Spain for 700 years, so yes, it is Alhambra. Don’t mistake me for the Berber version of an Afro-centrist, either. Confront me with facts and I’ll change my mind. I think Berbers are a very wide and varied people and the Berbers by the coast are a Mediterranean indistinguishable in appearance from the Spanish or Greeks.
In fact, many Mediterranean Berbers are indistinguishable from Europeans and famous people like Zidane are mistaken for French by ethnicity, despite being from Kabylia.
“The first berber fiefdom was only founded in 11th century Morocco.”
What? Berbers were part of the Arab world long before this time. Berbers conquered Spain in 700 AD. Clearly the intellectually and culturally superior Spanish weren’t able to defend themselves. How tragic. At the Battle of Guadalete Tariq ibn Ziyad defeats King Roderic.
711 – A Berber force of about 7,000 soldiers under the Berber general Tariq ibn Ziyad, loyal to the Umayyad Emir of Damascus, Al-Walid I, enters the Iberian peninsula from North Africa.
Abbas ibn Firnas (Arabic: عباس بن فرناس), was an Andalusian polymath: an inventor, physician, chemist, engineer, Andalusian musician, and Arabic-language poet. Of Berber descent, his name’s root is AFERNAS, which is fairly widespread today in Morocco and Algeria. He was born in Izn-Rand Onda, Al-Andalus (today’s Ronda, Spain), lived in the Emirate of Córdoba.
Many of the ‘Spanish’ scholars you claim weren’t Berber are Berber. Spain was Berber-Muslim for almost a millennia.
Ibn Hazm was born into a notable family. His grandfather Sa’id who moved to Córdoba and his father Ahmad both held high advisory positions in the court of the Umayyad Caliph Hisham II. Ibn Ḥazm was born into a notable family that claimed descent from a Persian client of Yazīd, the son of Muʿāwiyah, the first of the Umayyad dynasty rulers in Syria.
After checking through several sources and a few long lists, every notable scientist in the Muslim world does indeed seem to be Berber or Persian, with a few Syrian Arabs.
So, please do tell me, dear euro-revisionist, how exactly have the facts been usurped? I suppose you mean to tell me the Berbers were ignorant savages and it was the Spanish and Greeks that brought the Persians, Berbers and the ignorant Middle East to light?
Of course, if Berbers are indeed irredeemable savages compared to Niggers and Gypsies, I suppose I must learn to accept it.
Edit:
“there is not evidence of North African influence in Dhar Tichitt. Its cultural affinities are Mande, not Berber. That is also true of Djenne Jeno, (in South Central Mali) with its very Mande/subsaharan style of building (which evolves gradually there) sudanic (as in the West african savannah, or western Sudan) pottery styles, and sculptural styles (the so-called Djenne terracottas, and sometimes wood carvings which are part of the West African/Niger Congo—specifically Mande art tradition. Djenne Jenno predates the trans-saharan trade of the middle ages as well as Islam, and the nearest northAfricans/Berbers, the Touaregs (traditionally nomadic camel herders) were only in the northern part of Mali at the time—which is mostly still true—and were nomadic (and their style of Material culture does not appear in the Djenne region)”
Cities developed/evolved along the southern Malian niger river beginning from ca. 900 bc (Dia Shoma), 600 bc and 350 BC (Jenne Jeno) made up of millet and rice farmers, fisherman, cattle herders and traders—and specialized craftspeople. There affinities of the early pottery and artifacts are associated with the ancestors of Northern Mande speaking tribes (like the Soninke/Marka and Bozo peoples) and local Western Nilo-Saharan speakers (like the Songhai).
Djenne teracotta (from the late Jenne-Jeno later middle and late periods (ca. 900-1400 AD)—
https://www.google.com/search?biw=1097&bih=751&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=djenne+terracotta&oq=djenne+terr&gs_l=psy-ab.3.0.0.56729.58269.0.59512.11.10.0.0.0.0.277.1109.0j6j1.7.0….0…1.1.64.psy-ab..4.7.1108…0i67k1j0i8i30k1j0i24k1.0.bjo-gr5-rek
(also see part 2, parts 1 and 3 above)
Another thing (which could be seen as another aspect or facet of civilization, or proto-civilization) that emerged (independently developed) in SS Africa was pottery. The earliest dates for Africa pottery are in south central Mali at Ounjougou in 10,000 bc (before it appeared in North Africa of the Middle East—though the invention of Pottery in the Middle East later was probably independant too) in a region and time where no Eurasians had contact, and associated with a style of microlithic stone tools with affinities to those of the earlier Cameroonian Shum Laka culture even deeper in subsaharan Africa.
The emergence of pottery in Africa during the 10th millennium calBC: new evidence from Ounjougou (Mali)
Another early site for pottery in the North Central Sudan in the mesolithic—also before agriculture (almost as early as the Ounjougou dates), at a time long before any Eurasian admixture/peoples had entered that part of Africa (dna studies of Sudanese remains show that a low moderate amount of Mid Eastern admixture only began to diffuse into north Sudan in the later Neolithic from Egypt, and was absent previously)
http://anthromadness.blogspot.com/2016/05/modelling-diffusion-of-pottery.html
Pottery was also independently in China (around 15,000 bc, but remained isolated in Asia and constituted a separate tradition from the other two)—a third separate invention independant from those of Africa and the Middle East)
An ancient North Sudanese dna Study: Neolithic samples are dominated by common subsaharan Nilotic/Nilo-Saharan Y haplotypes A and B (the earlier mesolithic would be even more so)
http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/archive/index.php/t-37459.html
“To generate Y-chromosome specific haplogroups A-M13, B-M60,
F-M89 and Y Alu Polymorphism (YAP) markers, which define the deep ancestral
haplotypes in the phylogenetic tree of Y-chromosome were used. Haplogroups
A-M13 was found at high frequencies among Neolithic samples.”
So JM8: Is there a reason why Arabs, Berbers, Egyptians and most other North African civilizations/tribes were able to so easily conquer & enslave SSAs?
It’s the same story many hundreds of years later for the European powers and colonialism, with only Ethiopia resisting the Italian invasion to my knowledge.
To Jm8,
Pottery that Old? that’s consistent with studies showing that first south having arly neolithic properties like Hoe-like artifacts, though direct agriculture only shows up through evidence by 7k-4.5k.
It makes me think about Pygmy “Para-cultivation” of Yams seen in African and Asian populations and makes me consider how that are related to proto cultivation in general.
Fenoopy,
As for North Africans Conquering Blacks and enslaving, I’m unsure where you heard this.
While settlement of blacks may’ve been conquered, Slaves were traded by the empires already present and were black ruled, not by the result of foreigner dominion.
The only Berber tribe as well that would suggest that would be the Turaeg and the color caste system they have, but that’s more of an exception in West Africa at least.
Do you have any references of blacks, that is West Africans, being specifically enslaved as a result of conquering?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuareg_people#Castes
Here’s you explanation. They slaves they acquired were mainly pastoral Nilo-saharans, either the result of raids or the result of market purchases. Typically Normal from the general relations of Nomadic ways.
As for Europe conquering SSA populations, It’s really more of a question of they conquered so much of the Globe in general.
As for Ethiopia, it technically had Russia’s help, and furthermore Europe’s dominance in general stem from their industrial infrastructure they developed from pre-empire days.
This coincided with outbreeding, that is close ethnicities that existed before modern borders started combining into larger forces by marrying families outside of merely extended families, then forming Nuclear families and so on. This resulted in larger nations.
Basically Manoralism in Western Europe.
To Phil:
“To Jm8,
Pottery that Old? that’s consistent with studies showing that first south having arly neolithic properties like Hoe-like artifacts, though direct agriculture only shows up through evidence by 7k-4.5k.”
True. and apparently it is that that old. It seems to have been associated with cultures that intensively gathered the native grains—likely wild millet in the Eastern Sahel/Sudan and wild millet/sorghum and other plants in Mali—(and may have been starting to “tend” them like the Pygmies’ paracultivation” but maybe more intensive and as a more steady food source, since unlike the Pygmies, the pre-farming potters were likely living in at least semi-permanent, if not permanent settlements/small villages since pottery is a bad material for frequent travel or pure nomadism and is more likely to be invented when people no longer have to move around too much—or a bit like the intensive tending practiced by the Chippewa Indians with their wild rice for instance on the Great Lakes—and have been on their way to farming.
The other cultures that independently created pottery were also intensive gatherers somewhere in the pre (or proto) farming stage (the early Japanese Jomon culture—ancestors of the Ainu—who already had pottery in 10,000 bc when migrated to Japan from Asia, were an example and offshoot of that kind of culture. The early potters in Asia were likely gathering (or tending) wild millet and in some places rice.
In the Middle East though, pottery came (around 8-7,000 BC) shortly (2-3,000 years or so) after (the local invention of) agriculture.
Edit:
“The early potters in Asia were likely gathering (or tending) wild millet (the Asian subspecies that is) and in some places rice.”
JM8 can you please proofread your comments before posting. It’s very annoying how 80% of your comments are followed by an edit comment.
Then my final question. Are Negroids equal to Caucasians or not?
“Then my final question. Are Negroids equal to Caucasians or not?”
The best way I can answer this is that, at the very least, they have qualitative strengths and weaknesses as different caucasoid groups have from each other as you outline.
“JM8 can you please proofread your comments before posting. It’s very annoying how 80% of your comments are followed by an edit comment.”
Yes I definitely will, sorry about that.
Amerindians are derived from Asiatic mongoloids?? Kalash people are not partly Caucasian because they have “non-typical Caucasian genes”???
The black color of negroid Australasians have different genes than negrois sub-Saharans?? As well happen with lighter skin color of Caucasians and east Asians??
“Kalash people are not partly Caucasian because they have “non-typical Caucasian genes”???”
Actually they would be overall caucasian, never heard of this before.
“The black color of negroid Australasians have different genes than negrois sub-Saharans?? As well happen with lighter skin color of Caucasians and east Asians??”
I’ve mentioned this before that with Razib Khan that the genes between Africans and Melanesians were close.
https://www.unz.com/gnxp/the-genetic-architecture-natural-history-of-pigmentation/
However, that’s doesn’t exactly tell us much on the original diversity of OOA people. In other words, does their skin shade diversity reflect the same diversity in OOA population? There allels could’ve reached the frequency via selection.
With that said, other “phenotypes” such as hand and foot anatomy, blood types, and proteins shows them with closer links to other eurasians.
In taxonomy, not forensics, these traits would place them as australoid.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negroid#Skin_pigmentation
Its very embarrassing when people use the word ‘racist’ in a non ironic descriptive sense about someone or something.
You all get that the jews who invented this concept, don’t believe it at all, right?
Do you want me to link to the video where Israeli defense minister Livni explains his reason for the wall around Israel?
They don’t believe it. Its a joke to them. You get that? Right?
The are ‘racist’ towards whites – you can see that right?
They hate asians taking their college places – right, right?
[FLABBERGASTED]
When I say its a conspiracy I mean, 80% of jews, and especially jews of an older generation say it but don’t believe in it as such. None. If you ask Bill Kristol or any major jewish producer or ad writer or agent, they use it only as a kind of pavlonian trigger word to ward off threats or problems. They don’t actually use the word in the kind of religious sense that whites use it. They use it with much less passion (except rage episodes), because its meant to be a ‘weapon word’.