Although a couple of our commenters have been citing a lot of the accomplishments of black Africa, Dr. Michael H. Hart paints a very different picture in his book Understanding Human History. Hart’s book was published in 2007 so some of his claims may no longer be accepted as the archeological record has since become more complete and politically correct.
For starters, Hart claims that farming was not practiced in Africa until it was brought to Egypt by Southwest Asians in 6000 BC and from there it spread to Ethiopia, Sudan and then West Africa by 3000 BC. Central and Southern Africa however, were still living in the paleolithic until 1000 BC, according to Hart.
By 600 BC iron smelting occurred in Nigeria. Hart writes “It seems probable that knowledge of iron work had been introduced from the North or brought from the eastern Sudan.” Introduced or brought in by Caucasoids?
Hart notes that prior to 1500, sub-Saharan Africa could be divided into two wildly different sections. The exposed zone and the secluded zone. The exposed zone was all the parts that were in contact with Caucasoids, such as West Africa, Ethiopia, Somalia, small remote parts of the Indian Ocean colonized by Arab traders, and parts of the Atlantic coast where Portuguese traders had set up shop. The rest of sub-Saharan Africa was the secluded zone. A terrifying region roughly twice the size of Europe.
While the exposed zone was not poor, and benefitted from written languages brought by Muslim slave traders, Hart feels the indigenous peoples still failed to make a single contribution to World civilization.
But it is the vast secluded zone that bears the brunt of Hart’s poison pen. Described as a primitive and backward region until as recently as the 19th century, Hart notes that there were:
-no wheeled vehicles, nor even the potter’s wheel
– no method of even joining together pieces of wood
-no beasts of burden or draft animals (though cattle was raised)
-not a single written language in the entire region, and thus no law codes, no philosophical works, no literature or even oral epic-poetry
-no coins or money
– no math beyond simple arithmetic,
-no cities beyond small towns, no temples, large monuments nor domes, arches, schools, hospitals, libraries nor paved roads. Hart credits the ruins of Great Zimbabwe as the most notable construction in the secluded zone, but feels it was nothing compared to the Machu Picchu in South America, or Cambodia’s Angkor Wat complex, or Mesoamerica’s large cities and religious buildings. Hart notes that the giant statues on the tiny isolated Polynesian Easter Island were more impressive than anything found in the entire, secluded zone of black Africa.
-Almost no maritime skills. Hart notes the stunning fact that it took Indonesians from the other side of the Indian Ocean, coming from 3000 miles away, to inhabit Madagascar in 500 AD, because Africans still had not reached it, even though it was only 250 miles off the East African coast. Nor did they reach the Cape Verde Islands, just a few hundred miles off the West African coast.
Hart also claims the secluded zone was primitive when it came to political and ethical matters, noting the lack of democracy and civil liberties and the common use of slavery and occasional cannibalism.
Why was the secluded zone of black Africa so far behind virtually everyone else on Earth? In Guns, Germs and Steel, Jared Diamond argues that black Africa was simply cut off from the rest of the World, and thus didn’t have access to advances in knowledge, however Hart rejects this explanation because Native Americans were even more geographically isolated than black Africans, yet their societies were so much more advanced.
Instead Hart favours the cold winters explanation. Races who left Africa tens of thousands of years ago, and got at least some exposure to the ice age, evolved higher intelligence to survive the cold, and once the ice age ended, this allowed them to create advanced culture and technologies.
Update Oct 1, 2017:
On Sept 25, 2017, commenter Jm8 wrote the following rebuttal to Hart’s narrative:
Some of his claims are no longer accepted because the archaeological and historical record has become more complete, but others were not accepted in 2007 (or were heavily doubted) either and have been undermined or unsupported by evidence prior to that.
Michael Hart is not a historian or an archaeologist, or anthropologist, etc (or has any similar such background, let alone a scholar of Africa) (apparently he is astrophysicist). And his statements on Africa (and perhaps his purpose in writing on the subject at all) seems likely to be primarily ideological and politically motivated more than anything else, since he had no backgroud in it or in any related field). Much of his activity outside of Physics has been in association with white separatist and other racialist and far right organizations.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_H._Hart
“no literature or even oral epic-poetry”
The second is very untrue and such was known before 2007.
Epic poetry is found all over West Africa as much as Central Africa (especially, but not only among the Mande and other peoples of the Mali region, the Senegambia and Guinea, who have casted hereditary bards—a custom that originated with them and has been adopted by some neighboring tribes. The animistic hunters’ societies of many tribes, more primitive and believed to be extremely ancient and even older than the bardic tradition, have a specialized body/tradition of epic songs as well). Long form epics and oral history/mythology are also found among many of the non-Mande peoples of the Western savannah Burkina, N. Ghana, and further south in the forest region: (just to give a few examples) among the Ashanti/Akan, Ewe, Yoruba (who have a genre of oral literature called Oriki, as well as a body of sacred poems memorized by their Ifa priests). The Fang, Beti and the Bamileke (and Bamoum, Bafut, etc.) and neighboring tribes in Central Africa Cameroon and Gabon are also especially noted for their epics (traditionally played to a stringed instrument called the Mvet—especially associated with epics and battle songs), as are the peoples of the Lakes region of East Central Africa (The Baganda, Haya, BaRwanda, etc), and the peoples of parts of Congo (e.g. the Lianja epic of the Mongo people)
Most of West Africa was not in contact with caucasoids when its most notable civilizations formed (as I explained in the comments of the last post). Iron working in Nigeria predates 600 bc as well as ironworking in the lands of the nearest caucasoids (who thus are unlikely to have introduced it).
One written language was created in s Africa (Nsibidi), which show no sign of foreign origin (it is very unlike any other script and all surrounding regions had no scripts). Anyway independently invented scripts are rare historically (and there is no evidence of them in Europe).
“Native Americans were even more geographically isolated than black Africans, yet their societies were so much more advanced.”
This is generally not true (in many cases the reverse is true esp. of North America and South America outside the Andes). The argument could be made only of Native Americans in parts of Central America and (as mentioned) much of the Andes (in some respects it might be true in those cases, and in others not).
They claim about a lack of seafaring though (in a sense—that is relative to Europe and Asia), is largely true (the same could be said of Native American cultures, even the most advanced ones, and this likely has a lot to do with geography (Africa has few islands archipelagoes or island groups near the mainland of the kind where seafaring cultures usually evolve: like the Greeks in the Agean, Norse in N. Europe, or Polynesians and their seafaring Southeast Asian ancestors in SE Asia. The Mayans, Incas, and Aztecs/Toltecs did no real sea faring either—or really none at all for the most part. The Amerindians that traveled most by sea were the relatively non-advanced Carib and Arawak Indians (who settled the Caribbean from Venezuela) and, to a lesser extent, the Indians of the North American NorthWest Coast.
As for what did exist:In Africa seafaring (among traditional non-influenced subsaharans) was not nonexistent and substantial seafaring boats made of joined wood—which did exist (about the same size and the extremely large canoes used by the US Indians of British Colombia) for deep sea fishing, travel to nearby islands, and trading along the coast (though not really ships) were used by peoples along the West Africa Coast (before European contact—some of the first Europeans described them when they arrived) by coastal tribes like the Wolof and Lebu of Senegal, the Fanta, Ga and Ashanti in Ghana, and some of the Bantu tribes of coastal Central Africa like the Cameroonian Douala. Ethnolinguist Roger Blench has proposed that early proto Bantu in Central Africa (or branches thereof) may have spread along the Gabon-Congo Coast (the Bantu ancestors of the Bantu Bubi tribe of the Fernando Po/Bioko islands colonized them from the mainland millennia before Europeans arrived. There is also some (albeit tentative) evidence that fisherman and traders of certain West Africa cultures (Parts of South east Nigeria) occasionally reached as far as Gabon and the Northern Congo. In the case of Cape Verde, it’s earliest confirmed (and most likely) discovery (I believe) is by the Portuguese. I have read claims that Lebu fisherman might have rarely visited it before, but I have found not confirmation of that so it may well not be true.
Baganda craft:
Large boats were built by the African groups that lived along large navigable rivers (like the Niger) and lakes (like lake Chad and the lakes of Uganda/Rwanda/Burundi.
Along the Malian Middle Niger long canoe-like cargo barges (make of pieces of wood sewn together) are traditional and are used by various tribes that have lived by fishing and/or riverine trade (the Bozo, Somono, Songhai)—these (the larger ones that is) likely go back at least to the times of Djenne Jeno and (the older) Dia when specialized groups of river traders began to exists (specialized fisherman, or course go back much further, but their boat may have tended smaller since they were not cargo bearing—although the ancestors of the Songhai with their traditions of hunting hippos and crocodiles by boat may have had larger craft earlier. The Ugandan Baganda kingdom had a fleet of boats made for joined wood, as did certain tribes of the S.E Nigerian Niger (some of which had a small deck/cabin at the front—also of joined wood)—though of course these were of course much smaller than ocean-going ships)
Joining pieces of wood was widely necessary an common in may regions, (aside for in the types of boats mentioned) as the common styles of house buildings usually required a wooden/timber frame (sometimes underlying adobe of mud/mud brick as in Central/Souther Nigeria and S. Ghana, or in structures largely made of wood or bamboo as in Central Africa.
Some of the structure-types common in the Cameroon grasslands (Bamileke, Bamoum, Bandjoun tribes, etc) of West Central Africa were shown by Phil in the comments of the last post. I linked a collection of images form Ashanti previously (under the last topic).Some more architecture from that region—down past the first few ancient Nubian images at the top of the forum thread):
The agriculture claim is untrue, and was in doubt for a while before his book (except for the agriculture of N, E, Africa, much of the horn, and the Maghreb which did come from the Middle East through Egypt), and Most SS African agriculture does not come from Egypt or the Magreb and is a distinct tradition.
Michael Hart would probably dismiss a lot of the achievements Jm8 mentions because they occurred in the exposed zone which was in contact with Caucasoids from the Muslim and European worlds, but Jm8 seems to be implying that even when the achievements occurred in the exposed zone, they either predated the Caucasoid exposure, or were still somehow independent of it.
But that begs the question, why was the exposed zone of black Africa so much more advanced than the secluded zone, if the exposure to Caucasoid peoples had nothing to do with it?
As for oral epic poetry not existing in the secluded zone, perhaps this depends on how you define “epic”, as Hart cites the Iliad as an example of epic oral poetry.
Pumpkin Person 
Again i think humans was becoming ”smarter” during ”pre-history” when they were exploiting new lands and trying to adapt to new challenges. I think specially when they came across with new challenges they needed to incorporate new knowledge/new culture and new environments = new knowledge.
Too much cold seems very difficult to INCREASE alone intelligence and SPECIALLY creativity. This may explain why most of great civilizations appeared in temperate climates. Interestingly ”delayed gratification” seems follow climate environments where in too harsh climates the delay is reduced, too hot, too dry or too cold. You need survive all the time, you no have time enought to be creative.
Temperate climate fit perfectly with delayed gratification, to prepare to winter, and to work hard in the summer.
When inuits begun to live in ”civilization” they started to show the same problems of addiction namely with alcohol. Addictive behavior is a marker of fail to delayed gratification.
I think another reason current for sub-saharan africans of the last twenty thousand years didnt achieve civilization is not because they are less intelligent. I think its because of their ‘small mindedness’ (too much focus on little things as compared to bigger things) and their inability to look at the big picture and also because of things like poor ‘impulse’ control. (All three major lobes of the brain need to be balanced to achieve all these in my opinion).
Basically it is mostly due to ‘personality’ related reasons rather than ‘intelligence’ related reasons. If you look at most sub-saharan africans today (western and central/southern africans particularly) most of them have ‘bulging’ foreheads compared to other races. Meaning their frontal lobe maybe more developed as compared to other races. And this may have had come at the expense of a poor parietal and temporal lobe leading to poor impulse control and also why you also see most of them suck at high end academics while being more street smart than others ‘in general’. Parietal and temporal lobes are more logical, mathematical, science based. While frontal lobe is more behavior and planning/execution based.
Ofcourse this doesnt mean they are better planners….. as non-behavioral planning and (partly) behavioural planning too depends on the P and T lobe also. And an unequal domination of F lobe over P and T or P & T over the F leads to weird personalities.
Wait writing this comment gave me a thought: What if AMH became what they are today because of mixing with neanderthals? Neanderthals as much as i remember have a very weak frontal lobe (as probably indicated by tiny sloping foreheads….which could have lead to the exact opposite behavior compared to current or ancient africans (who were lets assume for the sake of this discussion similar to ancestral AMH). Meaning the neanderthals must have excelled at inventing stuff caused by a strong parietal and temporal lobe and (which came) at the expense of the frontal lobe (the opposite scenario as compared to afrcians and possible african based AMH. ( PP said they were more technologically advanced than AMH until 70,000 years). But they must sucked at stuff like planning/ organizing and reading people/ and their craftiness etc (because of a weaker frontal lobe) compared to the AMH who migrated out of africa and with whom they came in contact with. And whom they lost against as a result.
So AMH with their big frontal lobes migrated to europe and asia and then mixed with neanderthals and denisovans (who too may have had smaller small frontal lobes but bigger temporal/parietal lobes)……and this may have given birth to the AMH humans in asia/europe who were more ” lobally balanced” than the AMH in africa. Because they got best of both worlds?
While the AMH who stayed in africa remained the same (because they didnt have the pleasure of mixing with neanderthals ) and consequently their achievements over time fell behind those who mixed with neanderthals. (I know i know there are studies saying that the neanderthal ad mixture was only in single digits…..like six percent or something…..but what if that 6% was ‘enough’). I say this because the AMH who migrated out of africa were more likely east africans and not west. East africans have slightly less bulging/bigger foreheads than west africans (meaning they may likely have had better T and P lobes than W.africans but less better T and P lobes than the neanderthals they would encounter in europe…..but they must have had better frontal lobes compared to neanderthals) so just 6% of neanderthal genes was all it took for them to gain better T and P lobes which may have lead them to dominate the neanderthals (as neanderthals may have had more weaker frontal lobes than the east african AMH) and also lead them to dominate their west african AMH who were too ‘front’ loaded (so consequently may have had weaker T and P lobes).
I am drunk right now, so i may come across as incoherent or unclear. Am i making sense? 🙂
It is not the case that neanderthals were more advanced before 70 ka bc. Plenty of evidence (much of it recent) indicates the opposite if anything. The earliest projectiles appear around 279 ka bc at Gademotta Ethiopia with early sapiens and provide a significant advantage—requiring a greater ability to estimate of trajectory and distance, and the ability to design weapons with these things in mind—over early neanderthal/heidelbergensis forms of hunting with close-up thrusting spears. Bows and arrows specifically though, as far as we know first come around 70 ka bc at Sibudu in South Africa—after the older sapiens projectiles like atlatls and javelins—, but possibly earlier at Blombos/Pinnacle Point S.Africa , and bows may have also been invented more than once by sapiens first in Africa, and again in various places in the Paleolithic.) The North African sapiens Aterian culture starting 150 ka bc is also well before 70 ka, as is the Pinnacle point—164 ka-70 ka and Blombos culture of 100-70 ka in South Africa, and The bone harpoons associated with watercraft fishing of deep water species (giant catfish) of the Katanda/Semliki river peoples in E. Central Africa date to 90 ka bc..
Even Before 100,000 in many of these instances sapiens show traits that are more advanced. In the very earliest periods the gap between they (though it tends overall to favor sapiens or begins to do so somewhat at least in parts of Africa by around 270 ka bc in some respects) and neanderthals is not always in other respects too substantial, and in some respects their toolkits are not too different in certain regions; both begin early on with with generally mousterian type-tool kits (in the sapiens case, toolkits in several African regions surpass neanderthals and develop more advanced upper-paleolithic traits—some such features cited above—very early on)
“Earliest Stone-Tipped Projectiles from the Ethiopian Rift Date to >279,000 Years Ago”
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0078092
(the practice of heat treating began earlier (ca. 164,000 BC)
“Fire As an Engineering Tool of Early Modern Humans” | Science
http://science.sciencemag.org/content/325/5942/859
Re: harpoons:
http://science.sciencemag.org/content/268/5210/553
http://forwhattheywereweare.blogspot.com/2013/03/the-katanda-harpoons.html
See my other recent comment re: this subject on this same thread —under “older comments”(there’s a comment by you under it I believe)
Neanderthal admixture is in the single digits, but it is not 6%, but rather 1-2% (earlier estimates had 1-4%)
The approximately 1-2% exists in all non-Africans, including Europeans/Middle Easterners, Native Americans/Asians, Papua New Guineans and Australian Aborigines (it is unlikely to have conferred such a benefit as you suggest, though it did confer certain benefits in resistance to local diseases in Eurasia—disease resistance alleles).
the parietal lobe is associate, not with mathematics and similar areas, but with sensory and motor functions (they devoted more of their brains to controlling their larger bodies as well as their larger eyes). Sapiens had larger prefrontal cortexes (associated with much higher order cognition; including planning, but also likely contributing to invention and things technological), and larger frontal lobes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parietal_lobe#Function
https://www.livescience.com/27850-social-brain-beat-neanderthal-vision.html
http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2013-03/eyes-have-it
http://www.tested.com/science/life/454072-why-bigger-neanderthal-brains-didnt-make-them-smarter-humans/
http://humanorigins.si.edu/research/whats-hot-human-origins/neanderthals-larger-eyes-and-smaller-brains
http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/524386?journalCode=ca
Z makes a lot of sense while drunk than 80% of commenters who post sober. I believe if you coloured in the parts of a brain on a diagram to reflect how old they are (I think hippocampus is oldest, not sure though) and compared typical brains of races, you can easily see why races of man do well at some things and not others and why their personalities are as such.
I think Diamond is largely right in the overall sense that environment initially chose the template of a race and how it would later evolve. But many jewish academics use his ideas as evidence for the preposterous theory one can take an african, today, from africa and put him in Massachusetts and he can develop the personality of an old pilgrim founding stock person.
The tropical diseases and germs in africa led to R selection and having as many kids as possible leading to a kind of lord of the flies scenario where blacks killed each other in their sleep or ate each other and the most butch and savage survived.
Even if Bill Gates killed all the diseases then, it wouldn’t change africans personalities at least for another few hundred years in the best case scenario as there is a demographic momentum there to continually reproduce the nightmare of Kinshasa.
It would take years of purposeful husbandry (and/or social quarantines like the ones they gave to jews with cousin marriage) – where only scholars bred – to transform blacks into whites personality wise. And it would only be approximate.
Moreover the other route – the secret jewish attempt to mix the races to ‘raise’ blacks up genetically – would probably result in a race that could only emulate what is achievable by middle easterners or gulf arabs.
One would get the suspicion that jews and social ‘justice’ vermin would even see these attempts with a kind of wistful melancholy because the drip drip loss of their totems of the noble fake gold tooth savage into the ether would leave them one less rusty gardening tool to hack wildly at heretics and ‘rac-ists’.
Pumpkin should let thank Phil for educating him on African history and supremacy.
Many thanks Phil for you informations. I am very happy to have read this. This is a whole new world.
No thank you to pumpkin who was brainwashing me. No thank you.
Trump is a very funny guy. Hahaha
(speaking as a black man)
Philisopher,
The pic of xi zinping makes me surprised. He doesnt seem to have as big a frontal lobe as most other people. (If the external size of the forehead is a good proxy for the size of the frontal lobe. And frontal lobe is correlated to things like executive function, behavioural analysis and leader ship qualties). Yet he has better leadership qualities than his colleagues some of whom i recall seeing as having bigger foreheads. Infact xi is known to be so powerful in china that i read some people calling as the chairman of everything that moves. He is known to have achieved more power within the same system than earlier chinese presidents. Similar with joseph stalin he was a supremely intelligent leader. He out manouvered other intelligent competitors within his own parties to become the supreme leader of russia, they both seem to have smaller foreheads compared to their contemporaries. People could say the same achievements about hitler, but hitler had good oratory skills and he achieved a lot of fame and followers because of that. And then he used it to gain control of the NSDAP party. But that party was smaller than the communist party of russia. So it could have been far easier for hitler to get to the top of it than it was for stalin and xi to get to the top of their parties. Also there was nobody else like hitler who could charm the crowd as good as him. But stalin and xi were not known to have great oratory skills to charm the crowd and hence gain a following in order to help them lead their parties. They had to ‘out smart’ other people who were possibly just as smart as them to become leaders of their very big parties. So whats going on?
Before phil or anybody asks for ‘evidence’ of size of forehead related to the size of the frontal lobe and/or other stuff i mentioned , note that i am just thinking out loud here. I am not peddling it as fact. Also i couldnt find any studies studying this ‘relation’.
I really like Chinese people. Like, I really love them. So exotic and alien. So clever. Oh, you Chinese… So charming…
*swoon*
me no chinese.
Maybe Xi is just socially smart relative to other chinese elites?
https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2F2xkcvt35vyxycuy7x23e0em1a5g.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F03%2FStephen-Schwarzman.jpg&f=1
This man might be more evidence for your theory. Schwarzmann.
Wisdom matters a lot more than genetic IQ so far as intelligence of individuals goes.
Genetic IQ is only really a big factor among large averages of people.
Measure an individual of any ethnicity and you can get a retard or a genius, depending on your roll.
Pumpkin whats the correlation between IQ and watching Oprah?
Probably zero. The audience for her syndicated talk show was probably exactly average. The most successful entertainment appeals to the average because that’s where most people are.
Thats sounds suspiciously like racism and white elitism pumpkin.
Someone name any (allowed) public intellectual of any discipline that has not endorsed multikulti. I can’t think of any to be honest.
Trumps tax plan is a piece of shit. Care shudnt be repealed. So far trump has spent more energy on cuckold republican issues than the border. At least us hasnt invaded syria as clinton would have.
Bannon proposed raising taxes on the rich. There is defo a strain of the alt right that is close to national socialism rather than cuxkservativism.
National socialism makes sense.
Left wing eco, right wing social policy.
Yes!!
Many academics think the above combo cant exist. Thats because they are also told to say race doesnt exist. I bet they could tell academics to say white people are extraterrestrial beings. Honestly. I think they could make academics promote that ‘science’.
National Socialism is the social conscience of socialism without class hatred and outmoded economic dogma.
It is the productive efficiency of capitalism without the cruelty and exploitation of unrestrained greed.
It is the reverence for tradition and history of conservatism without inflexibility or petrification.
It is the rationality of liberalism without its emasculated rootlessness and its blindness to deeper modes of perception.
It is patriotism which transcends narrow nationalism and embraces the race.
It is a profound love and reverence for nature without shallow sentimentality.
It is a religion without superstition – without magic and magicians, without the supernatural, without a sick and treasonable hankering for other worlds.
Wow beautiful! I wanna join the National Socialists! Where do I sign up?
lmao that made me laugh gondwana
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It accepts the inevitable quantum of pain in Existence with joyous fortitude – not with poisons and anesthetics and comforting delusions.
It is an affirmation and a yea-saying. It knows that for the brave, for the strong and for the healthy, life is always joyous.
It knows that there are Aristocratic Races and Rabble Races and that the highest values must always be incomprehensible to the Rabble Races — thus the object of their hatred, fear and mockery.
Danish National Socialist poster, 1938
It is unimpressed by noblemen but it respects above all the Noble Man.
It knows that the most despicable of all sins is treason — treason to the Comrade, treason to the Race, treason to Life, treason to the Earth ….
CALL US, O WAR-FATHER TO THE RAVEN’S FIELD AND TO RAGNAROK. WE SHALL NOT COME HALTINGLY ON LAME FEET TO VICTORY OR VALHALLA!
HAIL VICTORY!
FYI :
The author of Credo was the British National Socialist Dr. Peter H. Peel, who first published this prose-poem under the pen-name “Wayland Smith” in 1971. It has since been widely reprinted.
Credo played an important part in the ideological development of the Movement in the English-speaking world in the 1970s. Among its admirers was New Order founder Matt Koehl, who commented that it portrayed National Socialism as a “higher synthesis” of Aryan values.
Dr. Peel was born in England in 1920. His active involvement in the Movement began in the 1930s, when, as a teenager, he briefly served in the forces of Francisco Franco during the Spanish Civil War. Returning to Britain, he joined Sir Oswald Mosley’s British Union of Fascists.
A patriotic Briton, he joined the Royal Air Force in the Second World War, and served in India and Burma. He later regretted having fought against Hitler’s Germany.
After the War he immigrated to the US, where he earned his doctorate in history. He also pursued a part-time career on the stage and in Hollywood. He appeared in television shows such as The Twilight Zone and Stagecoach, and films such as Sextette.
Politically, he supported the National Socialist White People’s Party and later New Order, as well as the National Alliance in the US, and the National Front and the British National Party in the UK. He was also a leading member of the Los Angeles Odinist Council.
Dr. Peel died in 1988.
This sounds suspiciously like racism and white elitism.
I want Pumpkin to take back his ridiculous ‘finding’ that only stupid people are conservative. If I had to guess actually very non stupid people who don’t have aspergers or nerdiness/social retardation, are quite likely to vote for a Trump. The reason liberalism seems correlated with high IQ is jews basically. And they don’t even believe in liberalism! They believe in conservativism, for jews and use liberalism as a smoke screen. Many people can’t grasp that point.
Jews are overwhelmingly conservative when you consider their stance on all issues from the POV of – whats best for jews!!!!!
ARRGGHHHHHHHHH
I want Pumpkin to take back his ridiculous ‘finding’ that only stupid people are conservative. If I had to guess actually very non stupid people who don’t have aspergers or nerdiness/social retardation, are quite likely to vote for a Trump.
But Trump ran as a populist which I consider a form of liberalism. My definition of liberal is supporting the underprivileged (poor people, black people), while conservativism is supporting the most privileged.
They believe in conservativism, for jews and use liberalism as a smoke screen. Many people can’t grasp that point.
The correlation only holds within races, not between races. Secondly, Jews very cleverly benefit from both the left and the right.
If you look at Israel’s government, its policies, its leaders, its parliament, etc etc. You would have to be deluded to think the jews are a liberal people. I mean, on drugs or something.
What really annoys me about life is listening to decently intelligent folk who should know better and see through brainwashing.
I imagine its a bit like a guy walking around 100 years ago and he meets a seemingly smart person only to find out theyre deeply religious.
Im at the point where anytime I hear about a new intellectual or persons blog or someone I should be reading, I want to know immediately where he is on the Jew Question. If he doesn’t pass it, he’s not worth listening to. His mind isn’t sharp enough. He has now ability to put general knowledge together. He doesn’t have social intelligence. He doesn’t know enough history. He can’t ask the right questions.
I believe I’m at the stage now where whenever I turn on the tv, radio or read a book, I’m often not learning anything or have conempt for how stupid it is. I mean this not about reality tv or soaps but ‘serious’ intellectual fare like radio 4, or the london review of books or other things. You can’t learn from blind people. Its ridiculous!
Thank god for the internet. I can make my own discoveries without everything being filtered by dopes.
u are very clever, how old r u ?
3 years old
One of the other things I find weird is how you some of these people obviously like to read and are curious and like learning about new things but when you give them Race, Behaviour and Genes or The Rational Male, they think its ‘immoral’.
LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING.
ANYTIME THE AUTHORITIES MAKE YOU STOP READING SOMETHING IN ANY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD BECAUSE IT IS ‘IMMORAL’ IT USUALLY MEANS THIS INFORMATION IS VERY IMPORTANT TO STOP BEING BRAINWASHED BY MASTER.
MASTER MAKES MORALITY.
AESTHETICS DONT LIE
LABELS ARE NOT LOGIC
If I ever wrote a book in philosophy, my aesthetics, ethics and lingusitic section would just be long tracts derived from these 3 principles.
“But that begs the question, why was the exposed zone of black Africa so much more advanced than the secluded zone, if the exposure to Caucasoid peoples had nothing to do with it?”
Climatic differences in West Vs Central Africa were part of it, that fostered higher population densities in the former (as well as the presence of more navigable rivers (like the Niger in Mali and parts of Nigeria) and waterways like Lake Chad ) conditions more conducive to the evolution of more advanced cultures elsewhere as well). (among other climatic reasons). there also were some states in central Africa and Southern Africa
The archaeological (and anthropological, etc) record show the evolution of advanced and semi-civilized cultured gradually from local origins)
As for oral epic poetry not existing in the secluded zone, perhaps this depends on how you define “epic”, as Hart cites the Iliad as an example of epic oral poetry.”
They did exist and they are attested in several places, some quite long (e.g. those of Sundiata and of the Cameroon tribes)
This supposed division between the “secluded and “exposed zone is not a real distinction (that would be recognized in history or anthropology), and Hart seem to daw the line for his convenience (as to exclude the West African region (where —as Phil also mentioned, there is no evidence of “Caucasoid influence or origin on the local civilizations’ formation, nor are they considered to have. As I have explained several times, many of the more advanced areas in West Africa (that I have discussed before) either had little or no contact with Caucasoids at the relevant periods, or the nearest caucasopids were not doing anything remotely similar (Also I mentioned parts of Central Africa, as did Phil. I on particular mentioned parts of the Cameroon gresslands). Hart is not an authority in this area and he ignores evidence that was known long before his claims.
You might also incorporate Phil’s rebuttal, as it included some things that I missed
Also. re:
“-no cities beyond small towns”
I must have missed that one. Of course the cultures I mention (the West African states e.g., Benin, Ashanti, Djenne Jeno, Ife, and the rest etc…..; the Zimbabwe and nearby cultures; and most-many of the the rest of the places in SS Africa where states formed, etc) built cities. Those regions of did tended to have relatively high population densities
The Ashanti built temples and large structures (as did some of the Nigerian states, The Sahelians—and the Cameroonian Bamileke, Bamoum, Bafut, Bandjoun and several other peoples of the region who had and still have a complex and often somewhat ornate and grand (style of) wooden architecture—the Cameroon grasslands is another more densely populated region)—which I linked . The earthworks/earthen fortifications and moats of the Yoruba states at places like Owu and Ijebu where with the “Sungbo’s Eredo” moat is (often carved into the underground bedrock), and by those the Bini around Benin City as well as their Edo speaking relatives the Ishan/Esan a bit to the north of them (the Benin earthworks, were monumental. The Eredo, built in 8,000 AD is roughly the size of Manhattan), and the Benin coast are also extremely extensive (built in stages between the 800s and the 1300s AD and said to have a combined length about equal to the great wall of China.
https://www.google.com/search?q=eredo&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjVk4z3qLrWAhUF04MKHcjMBq4Q_AUICigB&biw=1192&bih=818#imgrc=bz79059cpwCrsM:
https://csweb.bournemouth.ac.uk/africanlegacy/orile_owu.htm
Continued:
“Michael Hart would probably dismiss a lot of the achievements Jm8 mentions because they occurred in the exposed zone which was in contact with Caucasoids from the Muslim and European worlds, but Jm8 seems to be implying that even when the achievements occurred in the exposed zone, they either predated the Caucasoid exposure, or were still somehow independent of it.”
Michael Hart is completely uninformed and has no background at all in African history/archaeology.
But (even so) as I also explained earlier, the cultures (and their important/defining features) I mentioned predated contact with the European worlds (which happened around the renaissance or—in many cases—later) being early Medieval/late antique and medieval or earlier in their formations (the Yoruba states starting ca 700 ad-the middle ages and later with smaller settlements much earlier, Igbo Ukwu from ca 800 or 900 ad, Benin starting from ca 7-800 ad as a city/network of fortified towns with an older occupation history, and even the Akan in their mid-medieval phase earlier phase where there were also some earthworks—and the Nok being much more ancient ca 1600 bc-200 ad), or (in those of the Mali/Sahel region) formed long before the Islamic period (such as Dhar Tichitt—17,000 bc-700 bc—Jenne Jeno—350 bc-1300 ad and Dia Shoma—ca 900 or 600 bc to ca 200 ad). Islam and Europeans were not a factor in those times and places.
The exposed/secluded distinction is not used in archaeology/history.
Much of West Africa was pretty isolated as well and sometimes the (in many respects) more advanced cultures in W. Africa” were more around south in Central/South Central Nigeria and S.E Nigeria, rather than north of that area, the latter region not far from Central Africa. There were various degrees of “seclusion” and isolation even after the European and Islamic-contact periods in a variety of regions places which(which were still sometimes very indirect in many places), and are not as simple as the division Hart draws.
In West Africa factors like better soils and agricultural conditions(in some places), as existed in southern Mali and parts of Nigeria and Cameroon for instance (and a few other Places) and other conditions fostered higher populations and contributed to more advanced cultures forming. Navigable rivers like the Niger of Benue in Nigeria (less common overall in central Africa) help enable things like local trade and economic specialization–among other environmental conditions, these would only be some and West Africa was very varied in this respect. there were also some smaller scale less advanced tribes in parts of West Africa (including the Northern parts).
The below should say “Benin moat” not Benin coast”:
“The Eredo, built in 8,000 AD is roughly the size of Manhattan), and the Benin coast are also extremely extensive (built in stages between the 800s”
The below link is of some of the aforementioned “wooden architecture style” of the Bamileke and other groups in the Cameroon grasslands of W. Central Afica (starting down after the first few images at the top of the thread). I may not have labelled specifically when I first posted it:
http://historum.com/middle-eastern-african-history/58840-diversity-early-african-architecture-ruins-thread-16.html
“(such as Dhar Tichitt—17,000 bc-700 bc”
It’s of course ca 1700 bc-700 bc (not 17 ka).
Also, West African peoples were mostly rather different (ethno-linguistically) and much more varied than Central Africa and had their own different early histories, West Africa having a great variety of (Black SSA) peoples of many ethnolinguistic subgroups of the large, very ancient, more internally diverged and diverse Niger-Congo family native to West Africa. Whereas Central Africans came mostly from the descendants of one single small branch of the Niger-Congo peoples, that being the Bantu, who spit off relatively late around Cameroon and migrated to the rest of central Africa, then south and east (Most of W. Africa is non-Bantu Niger-Congo, but most Cameroonian—though Cameroon is more a part of Central Africa anyway, or in between—tribes like the Bamileke, Bafut, Bandjoun, and the Yeti and Fang and their relatives are a type of Bantu or closely related, and also a few of the tribes in the southeasternmost corner of Nigeria—though only some tribes in that area—are of a branch of Niger-Congo that is especially close Bantu).
Regarding more advanced mathematics in Central Africa (both among Bantu peoples and the earlier native groups going back to the paleolithic e.g. of the Ishango culture that produced the Ishango bone—the supposed “secluded zone—(much more advanced than artithmetic):
Click to access Mathematics_Africa.pdf
“Central and Southern Africa however, were still living in the paleolithic until 1000 BC, according to Hart.”
Central and southern Africa were only inhabited by Pygmies and Khoisan Bushman-like groups before that time (or in the case of central Africa the time was not as late as the aforementioned Bantu had colonized most of the Western part of Central Africa by more like 2,000-1,500 bc.
The ishango bone was not much more advanced than arithmetic, though it was amazing for the time period
I think Hart’s distinction between the exposed zone & the secluded zone was not so much wrong but misleading. Without explicitly saying it, he left the impression that all accomplishments in the exposed zone were not indigenous even though some predated exposure.
A good example is Djenne-Djenno which you mention, because it shows blacks were capable of creating cities on their own, contrary to the impression Hart leaves. So that’s one clear example where hart was flat out misleading, however a lot of the other pre-Islam achievements in the exposed zone were no more impressive than what Hart described in the secluded zone
“however a lot of the other pre-Islam achievements in the exposed zone were no more impressive than what Hart described in the secluded zone”
It would really depend. In some respects and some areas depending on where and when) they would be comparable. Some of the more advanced Central African cultures could definitely be pretty respectable (in their arts, organizations, etc)—like the Grassland cultures of Cameroon, Kuba, Uganda, Kongo (in some areas), or the Zimbabwe area cultures. Generally in West Africa (e.g. Nigeria, the Southern/Central Mali region, Ghana, parts of chad) more substantial urban centers and economic specialization with merchant classes and guilds and things like metal work in bronze and terra-cotta—though the ironwork of Zairian cultures like the Luba, Kuba, Kongo and even smaller tribes like the Beti/Fang could very pretty skilled as well, are somewhat more common in (but it varies—they’re not absent elsewhere and the early medieval Kisalian culture, precursor to the kingdoms of the Luba of Zaire. for instance, had them to various degrees, as did some of the other more advanced Central African cultures)
(Also, I should have more specifically dated listed some of the the earlier Yoruba kingdoms the Kingdoms of the Yoruba—like Ijebu, Owu, and Ife as well as Benin—Owo’s peak was more ca 13-1600, formed by the early Middle Ages or earlier and flourished mostly before 1500 (the major period/high point for Ife and its art was ca. 1100-1400 ad—though the stone sculpture, esp. the monoliths, likely tends to come more from the earlier period ca 700-1100 ad), with some also continuing after (the beginnings of towns in Yorubaland go back much earlier to the pre-medieval.)
“…urban centers and economic specialization with merchant classes and guilds and things like metal work in bronze and terra-cotta—though the ironwork of Zairian cultures like the Luba, Kuba, Kongo and even smaller tribes like the Beti/Fang could very pretty skilled as well—are/were somewhat more common (in West Africa) (but it varies—also (societies with which) not being absent in Central/Southern Africa.”
“however a lot of the other pre-Islam achievements in the exposed zone were no more impressive than what Hart described in the secluded zone”
I would say that the city states and state cultures of Nigeria that I mentioned (and some of those of the Ghanian Akan) for instance were (generally speaking) more impressive. —that is of, unless you’re referring to the other pre-Islam achievements of the general Mali region specifically and not all of W. Africa (which would make sense since most of the rest of Subsaharan West Africa never became Islamic and thus could not be pre-Islamic ), and then/in that case maybe that/your above quote might be true: Djenne-Jeno was part of a group of native pre-Islamic city and town states along the Malian Middle niger river area (that would later grow to form part of the base of the Empire of Ghana, which formed in Mali—modern Ghana is unrelated but took the name after independence in the 1950s) but those towns were indeed also mostly part of the same general/broad “Djenne culture”/or “djenne region culture” as it is sometimes known (there were also a few smaller pre-Islamic states and small cities/large towns in the lake Chad region or N. Nigeria and S.W Chad: Zilum ca 800 and the Sao culture a bit laterbc. some Hausa states also existed pre-islam around the medieval-modern Hausa city of Kano, later Muslim. But appear to have been on a smaller scale than the pre-Islamic Djenne culture (or most of the the more civilized South and Central Nigerian cultures.
“…S.W Chad: Zilum ca 800 bc and the Sao culture a bit later ca 500 bc-200 ad”
So when did you start buying inti this myth that afticans are stupid pumpkin. How cab you square your racist beliefs with your belief that oprah is the smartest woman in the world? Explain.
I don’t think africans are stupid, I just think high IQ genes might be less common among them, but some Africans are geniuses
I don’t think Oprah’s the worlds smartest woman, just the biggest brained & most successful woman, but since brain size & success are only crude proxies for IQ, there are many women even more brilliant than Oprah.
Name 1.
PP,
This comment of yours reminds me of something i wanted to ask since a long time. Its not related to this article:
Oprah has a 25 inch (or is it centimeters?) head circumference and chris langan has almost the same, yet oprah has an IQ of around 130-140 so i have read…. while chris has a 40 point more IQ. Now if we control for body size or if chris’s body is scaled down to oprahs size… chris would probably be having having a 20% smaller head than oprah yet a 50 point more IQ? How?
I know there isnt a perfect correlation between head and body size, but so much difference?
The correlation between brain size and IQ is about the same as the correlation between height and weight which means the correlation is only moderate. Just as some people are hundreds of pounds heavier than expected for their height, there are some people who are dozens of IQ points higher than expected for their brain size. That’s the type of error you have to expect in some cases.
Racism is the scourge of our age. All white people must learn to be soft and ticklish like jelly beans and to give up resources and women freely.
They already are soft and ticklish like jelly beans. I don’t think that’ll change, either. I think it’s getting worse, which is why I am buying a house in East Asia and marrying an East Asian woman. I considered converting to Judaism, but East Asia is a rising star and I like to invest in the future.
I thought you said you were a woman?
I thought you said you were a woman
Conspiracy theory analysis is very g loaded pumpkin. Do a column on whether someone that can correctly tell who are secret rulers are is smart… go on.
It is literally the exact same as people debunking Christianity and the pope 150 years ago. Newton didn’t get it, but Descartes did. Niethsche and Marx did.
I’d like to do a guest post on conspiracy theory as a g loaded hobby.
With the passage of history, those who correctly analysed the system should become clearer. For that reason Marx is still relevant, but say, Hayek or Boas is not.
Philip Giraldi writing a lot of good things about Israel.