[Update Feb 6, 2017: I just did an internet search of others who had posted on similar topics to this in the past and iconic blogger Steve Sailer deserves enormous credit for many of the ideas in this post]
There are at least four major types of masculinity. Two of them mental and two of them physical.
1. Cognitive masculinity
This is characterized by having a spatial IQ > verbal IQ, and a math IQ > Theory of Mind IQ. If you have extreme cognitive masculinity you become autistic. One of the great mysteries is why some autistics are billionaire computer Geniuses and Nobel prize winners and so many others are severely mentally retarded. Perhaps it’s because if your verbal IQ is too much lower than your spatial IQ, then you can’t learn language and if you can’t learn language, you can’t function at all in human society, but a little autism appears to be a good thing.
By contrast if you have very little cognitive masculinity, you will rely on intuition instead of logic which is good up to a point, but if you travel too far down that road you become a delusional schizophrenic.
2. Emotional masculinity
This is where I’m lacking. People are always complaining that I am too nice and too moral for my own good and at work I have so much trouble firing people because like a woman, I worry so much about what will happen to them and have way too much compassion for others, including animals and even plants (which makes no sense since plants can’t feel pain). Ideally a leader needs to be tough and devious and not let people take advantage of him, but you don’t want to be too emotionally masculine because you’ll be a psychopath.
One reason women like “bad boys” is because they’re emotionally masculine. I was watching a documentary about my favorite horror franchise Halloween, and while most of the hard-core fans were guys, a few were blond blue eyed very sexual women who were such huge fans of the series that they flashed their breasts to the camera asking “see anything you like?” (a reference to a nude scene in the original Halloween). When asked why they loved the films’ iconic serial killer Michael Myers so much, one woman gushed “there’s something so masculine about him.”
Nobody cared about actor Michael C. Hall when he played David in Six Feet Under but once he played Dexter the serial killer, he suddenly became a sex symbol, even though the former was a much better show.
3. Vertical masculinity
This is simply how tall you are.
4. Horizontal masculinity
This is simply how muscular and robust you are
Masculinity and evolution
As humans evolved from the apes, we became less masculine emotionally and horizontally, but more masculine vertically. This is probably because it’s a more efficient design because being tall and thin consumes fewer calories than being short and robust yet gives you more speed and reach, though less strength.
Masculinity and social class
There are also social class differences in masculinity with the upper class being more vertically masculine and the lower classes being more horizontally masculine. This may help explain the negative correlation between IQ and weight/height ratio.
I noticed this when I went to the gym with an extremely wealthy co-worker. While most guys there were trying to lift the heaviest weights possible, he would only lift pathetically light weights with lots of repetition because he felt that at a height of 5’8″, he would look disproportionate if he gained muscle.
While the lower classes believe the more muscle the better for all men, the upper classes only approve of muscle on men of a certain height and perhaps only up to a point. Some in the upper class consider it worse to be short and muscular than it is to be short and scrawny or even short morbidly fat. I find this very weird but perhaps it’s because the upper class having higher IQs, have a greater sensitivity to abstract concepts like irony or perhaps it’s just class genetic interests discriminating against physiques that reflect blue collar gene pools.
Any citations?
“noticed this when I went to the gym with an extremely wealthy co-worker. While most guys there were trying to lift the heaviest weights possible, he would only lift pathetically light weights with lots of repetition because he felt that at a height of 5’8″, he would look disproportionate if he gained muscle.”
I guess his extreme wealth doesn’t help him when it comes to gym knowledge. That’s not how things work.
“While the lower classes believe the more muscle the better for all men”
Lol. This is literally a fact.
Muscular strength is inversely and independently associated with death from all causes and cancer in men, even after adjusting for cardiorespiratory fitness and other potential co-founders.
http://www.bmj.com/content/337/bmj.a439
So tell your coworker to change his routing to a strength based one of he wants to live aong life.
“I find this very weird but perhaps it’s because the upper class having higher IQs, have a greater sensitivity to abstract concepts like irony or perhaps it’s just class genetic interests discriminating against physiques that reflect blue collar gene pools.”
Lower class people who strength train will live longer than higher class people who don’t.
Please, please research what you say before you say it.
Who said anything about life span?
I did. You said he lifts for high reps. I’m saying that strength training has a man live longer.
He’s not doing it for health but for aesthetic reasons.
And having more muscle is better, obviously, than having less. It’s a protectant. Stronger people live longer than weaker people. So any proles who do women reps at 30 reps a set, drop down to 5 and strength train like a man.
People have huge misconceptions. I’ve trained many women who say they don’t want to strength train because they’ll get big and bulky. But that’s not how things work.
People have huge misconceptions. I’ve trained many women who say they don’t want to strength train because they’ll get big and bulky. But that’s not how things work.
I agree. I think you need steroids + genetics to get huge. I see guys working out in the gym for a whole year and they still look exactly the same to me. My point was that he was AFRAID to bulk up when most guys WANT to bulk up. In your personal training have you ever had a guy like that?
“He’s not doing it for health but for aesthetic reasons”
Strength training will grow muscles faster than high rep training. Will link relevant studies later.
“I think you need steroids + genetics to get huge. I see guys working out in the gym for a whole year and they still look exactly the same to me.”
Yes. Exactly. To see human limitations without steroids you need to look at the bodies of people pre-steroid era. They were created in the late 30s, so any bodies before than most likely weren’t on drugs.
I notice that a lot of people look the same too. A lot of people don’t want to look like models or get huge; they just want something to do in their spare time and get (somewhat) healthy while doing it.
“My point was that he was AFRAID to bulk up when most guys WANT to bulk up. In your personal training have you ever had a guy like that?”
Yes. But after a quick chit-chat I change their views. I mostly show them the studies correlating mortality and strength training along with hand-grip studies.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4833755/
http://bmcpublichealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1471-2458-10-508
Everyone should strength train. The benefits from it are amazing.
Bulking too much is unaesthetic, especially if you’re in a social profession. I don’t want to bulk up more and there is nothing that you can say to change my mind. I don’t wanna walk like a robot. My shoulders already swing in a cocky way as I walk, I think that’s the upper limit of an acceptable musculature.
And some guys take dangerous products to bulk up, thus cancelling out all the benefits of strength and muscle.
I don’t mean to get huge. I mean that most average people are scared to strength train because they think they’ll turn into Ron Coleman or Iris Kyle, not even thinking that you have to WANT to get that big to reach that size.
I want to get ripped and huge. I’m going to compete one day. I do want to model as well. People have been telling me to do it for years.
And takin supplements how you’re talking about them is fine if you know what you’re doing. I’ll only use when I reach my maximum genetic muscle potential, which is around 175 at 5 percent body fat.
And I have the big shoulders problem just like you. I also have big bis and tris as well. So much so that I don’t ever do direct work to those two body parts and they still grow like weeds. Do you have a v-taper? I’ll have that soon, I want the golden ratio for my shoulders and waist. Ill get it soon when I get comfortable with the amount of muscle I have (the day you start lifting is the day you’ll be FOREVER SMALL)
I take protein supplements, fat burners and plant-based performance enhancers before working out. But I know some guys who use illegal dangerous substances which is very unwise.
Now I just want to stabilize, I can’t have my teen body again, I’ve grown up so I must get used to being very big. I know how to dress correctly so my body is still elegant.
I have a v-shaped body but I don’t know if I have any of the golden ratios. The drawing I posted below is an exaggeration of me, I think my shoulders are proportionally narrower than yours but my pecs and trapezius make my upper body more impressive.
The swinging shoulders are ok for me, I just think it’s the limit above which you start becoming unnatural, which makes you less credible in your job.
If you think firing people is tough, how do you think police feel when going to a crime scene or border patrol guards think when they need to shoot illegal invaders?
I always say to my dad – if I could relive my youth, I would have joined the army like he said and become a border patrol guard.
Nothing would make me as happy as defending the borders from enemies.
And eh, ‘legally’.
BS
French masculinity
This is where I’m lacking. People are always complaining that I am too nice and too moral for my own good and at work I have so much trouble firing people because like a woman, I worry so much about what will happen to them and have way too much compassion for others, including animals and even plants (which makes no sense since plants can’t feel pain).
If I remember well you scored average (even slighly above) on a psychopathy test.
That was more of a narcissism test than psychopathy.
The article on your first speaking gig (https://pumpkinperson.com/2015/02/27/my-first-speaking-gig/amp/), some of your comments and the fact that you often call yourself a celebrity make me think that you are clearly above average in narcissism.
You are probably average on psychopathy.
My ears just bled. I that the song you used to get with Queen Victoria ?
I’ve fucked Marie-Antoinette on that song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhXKaitt0gw
Gay! (literally)
that’s the point afr-autist.
at this point i’m pretty sure that all blacks are autistic.
Come on, we’re schizoid monkeys.
RR
do you think slimness is genetic ?
I have no idea how so many people can get fat . It baffles me .
oh and does anyone know what the correlation between fatness and IQ is ?
I saw so many smart people at Berkeley who were obese.
I have no idea how so many people can get fat . It baffles me .
Because we evolved to live in the wild where we had to burn thousands of calories just to find an apple
Now we get 3000 calories without leaving the house
It’s really a sign of our intelligence and how rapidly our cultural evolution outpaced biological evolution
If people ate less they wouldn’t get fat.
I think a lack of self control must be genetic.
They know its bad for them but they still do it. If that’s not a self-destructive genetic personality than i don’t know what is.
“It’s really a sign of our intelligence and how rapidly our cultural evolution outpaced biological evolution”
lol. so intelligent to lounge around all day and not exercise. Work a desk job and suffer the consequences of decreased quality of future life!!
Jimmy,
“If people ate less they wouldn’t get fat.”
If people got less fat, they would eat less.
Read:
“If you asked me this question (why do rooms get overcrowded), and I said, Well, because more people entered the room than left it, you’d probably thing I was being a wise guy or an idiot. Of course more people enetered than left, you’d say. That’s obvious, But why? And, in fact, saying that a room gets overcrowded because more people are entering than leaving is redundant – saying the same thing in two different ways – and so meaningless.”
“Now, borrowing the logic of the conventional wisdom of obesity, I want to clarify this point. So I say, Listen, those rooms that have more people enter them than leave them will become more crowded. There’s no getting around the laws of thermodynamics. You’d still says, Yes, but so what? Or at least I hope you would, because I still haven’t given you any causal information. I’m just repeating the obvious.”
“This is what happens when thermodynamics is used to conclude that overeating makes us fat. Thermodynamics tells us that if we get fatter and heavier, more energy enters our body than leaves it. Overeating means we’re consuming more energy than we’re expending. It says the same thing in a different way. Neither happens to answer the question why. Why do we take in more energy than we expend? Why do we overeat? Why do we get fatter?”
“Answering the “why” question speaks to actual causes. The National Institutes of Health says on its website, “Obesity occurs when a person consumes more calories from food than he or she burns.” By using the word “occurs,” the NIH experts are not actually saying that overeating is the cause, only a necessary condition. They’re being technically correct, but now it’s up to us to say, Okay, so what? Are you going to tell us why obesity occurs, rather than tell us what else happens when it does occur?” (Taubes, 2011: pg 75-76)
Get it?
“I think a lack of self control must be genetic.”
Yes.
“They know its bad for them but they still do it. If that’s not a self-destructive genetic personality than i don’t know what is.”
Read some of those links I gave you in the other thread.
““I think a lack of self control must be genetic.”
Yes.”
Alcohol can help too.
“do you think slimness is genetic ?”
Largely, yes.
“I have no idea how so many people can get fat . It baffles me .”
Evolutionary mismatch.
We didn’t evolve to eat processed carbs, so spiking our insulin so much and eating so much sugar and other processed carbs since the 70s is why we are so fat. We live in what’s called an obesogenic environment—an environment that encourages obesity.
I remember commenting on one of JayMan’s obesity articles showing him a journal article saying that the TV and media affects obesity as well. He removed the comment. lol
“oh and does anyone know what the correlation between fatness and IQ is ?”
Those at age 7 who had IQs above 125 had a 13.5 percent chance of being obese at age 51, whereas those with IQs below 74 at age 7 had a 31.9 percent chance of being obese.
BMI is significantly negatively correlated with full-scale intelligence, measured by the Wechsler Abbreviated Scale of Intelligence (r = 0.250, P = 0.005) and its vocabulary subtest (r = 0.245, P = 0.006), though not its matrix reasoning subtest (r ¼ 0.126, ns) [8].
Click to access COEDO2014.pdf
More information on obesity if you’re interested:
https://intensivedietarymanagement.com/
http://www.sandraaamodt.com/
Extremely interesting post. I wonder why Nobel Prize in math, physics, economy tested so much higher on Verbal IQ than space IQ, i why so jewish who have low space IQ and very high verbal IQ are so much better scientist than asian ?
I have the intuition (being a very much verbal person) that space IQ is much more profound that verbal IQ, but only at an extremly high level (>160 with sd15), and under, Verbal IQ is a much effective test of g, because our theory of the world is deeply coded in language. I think vocabulary test are even better to evaluate capacity than scholastic/logic sentences deduction and/or induction. Vocabulary is way more embedded into the brain.
Because verbal is what I call theoretical common sense.
Asians, with the exception of Japan, can’t invent things because they don’t have ‘common sense’ in a more abstract way.
Inventors are the best proxy, not the nobels. You have 1.5bn east asians with a good chunk over 120 IQ more than most other races – but there’s not enough verbal.
Language is basically labelling. When you attach images and provide reasoned communication through a code/language with no inherent reason for why a word should indicate a thing, you have to have a rationale and ‘theoretical common sense’ for it to be purposeful.
Its not vocabulary that makes people great inventors, but the ‘g’ or deciphering of rationale for association, pattern recognition on the way words are used in what context.
It could just as easily be code or hieroglyphics or pure images.
The ancient Assyrians and Celts had pictorial language but we have some very smart guys that can see the meaning of it. Verbal intelligence is a precursor to meaning and ‘why’ questions. Quant is essential to empirics and ‘how much’, ‘how much does x change if y changes’, ‘how much likelihood’.
http://sengifted.org/a-synthesis-of-research-on-psychological-types-of-gifted-adolescents/
I m very masculine in 3 & 4, 6.3 (192 cm) and 218 (98 kg) and quite muscular. But i think i m extremely “feminine” for 1 (verbal IQ, used even for math) and 2 (i have trouble even to being rude to people calling me from a foreign call center speaking with a thick accent).
Dude, you’re huge. Especially by French standards.
Do you lift ?
Are you an insecure giant ?
Jazz is an acquired taste. I used to not like it, but it grows on you.
Most jazz isnt. But this is.
Thats even more a staccato than Monk.
If I do listen to jazz I prefer something more melodic.
And chris’ s version
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJeAEED07jU
Some music has the ability to make one time travel. It almost brings up the mood, smell and surroundings of the time. The byrd track does that. 1950s New York. Manhatten.
Not the Blade Runner parody we have today.
I love bossa nova. And yes, good jazz from the 50s/60s does invoke a certain mood/atmosphere that’s hard to describe.
Jazz isn’t an acquired taste. It’s shitty old boring music for blacks.
Meanwhile, this is what the bros listen to!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDkLSjsiqlM
Its actually quite a sombre song.
Reminisces of the proto playa, c. 1936
Mugabe is an acquired taste. I used to not like it, but it grows on you.
i don’t feel like posting here anymore.
oh no! your comments were so smart and interesting.
Donald Trump issued a directive that female staff should “dress like women”. What does that mean? No pants? Are we going back in time?
Trump is such a brazen asshole.
Hahahahahahaha
This never gets old.
1. Cognitive masculinity
Verbal is 132 Spacial is 121
2. Emotional masculinity
My theory of mind is much higher than my math ability.
And I care allot about people. I like being a nice person.
My general intelligence is high also, this picture fairly accurate.
3. Vertical masculinity
5’8″
4. Horizontal masculinity
I am very strong but not bulky
An integrative architecture for general intelligence and executive function revealed by lesion mapping
https://academic.oup.com/brain/article/135/4/1154/358258/An-integrative-architecture-for-general
meditation and prefrontal cortex
http://www.mindful.org/how-the-brain-changes-when-you-meditate/
Steve Sailer has a very good sense of humour.
Brainwashed social justice left wingers like Dildos and Ashley Judd have no self awareness about how silly they sound.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3GkytwKVXs
Women don’t suffer from lack of logic. But just too much empathy. Especially white women. Other races women are nowhere near this bleeding heart ness.
Wasn’t constantine converted to khrestusanity by his mother? Women love all that woe is me aam jus a poh poh cotton pickin slave missy, me a poh poh slave. And when I gets de chance…amm gonna go to univsal city and become a good damn good lawyah and stick it to the white man with mah othuh jewish bretheren. Yessuh!
Praise Yahweh!
Hooo dammn
yesur yesur!
Praise Yahweh. We are the chosen ones!
Me and mah cotton picking certificate of deposit yellow contango arbitrageurs! Yessa alpha beta gamma delta theta hedgin and cotton picking for me!!!!
I think its equally comical that such an advanced iq aligns itself with poh poh afromericans and sits at the table with a sincere face.
Trumps new deputy SoS. CFR jew. Once a democrat. Now a repub. Soon a global governmentalist.
And he really cares about african americans.
(Snort)
The necons have no party. Only ISH–raél (((O___0))))
Its so transparent hahaha.
You realize that 53 % of white women voted for Trump, right?
Sure, women are more empathetic on average but that’s a good thing not a bad thing. I mean if you don’t have empathy for slaves, there’s something wrong with you.
You cannot win an existential war thinking like a woman.
There is no “existential war” iiuc (you’re referring to teh Jews killing off White Gentiles?) Although I suppose you could be referring to something more indirect like Nationalism versus Globalism/Universalism.
Jews simply want to create a society that’s diverse, so their activities aren’t noticed by Gentiles.
How does a 90% Mestizo society benefit Jews? Non-Whites are less friendly to Jews than Anglo Proles.
Anyhow, a White in Cleveland or Baltimore who has lost his job to China and has had HUD regulations put criminal Blacks into his neighborhood is going to focus on those issues as opposed to ‘Zionist wars”. He also considers Jews Whites and would think ‘their on his side’ after seeing Bernie Goetz or whatever.
P.S. PP implies delusional schizophrenics are very feminine.
Who’s the low-T c-uck now?
Phil seems like a psychopathic schizophrenic so he’s cognitively feminine but emotionally masculine
Don’t know where he ranks physically
You cannot win an existential war thinking like a woman.
It’s not worth winning if victory means genocide and slavery. Besides, your “race” is a silly thing to focus on. You had no control over your race. Why obsess over it and discriminate against people for something they had no control over?
yeah. even smart blacks sound dumb 99% of the time. and if you ax them to do something non-verbal they just throw their hands up.
Wrong.
I’ve noticed that even learned blacks say “ax”. Is that part of the AAVE?
The Fable of the Ducks and the Hens
Lincoln Rockwell
Many, many years ago
When animals could speak,
A wondrous thing the ducks befell;
Their tale is quite unique.
Down by a pond dwelt all these ducks,
— Ten thousand at the least —
Their duckish joys were undisturbed
By any man or beast.
One day down near the entrance gate
There was an awful din.
A hundred hens all out of breath
Were begging to come in.
“Oh let us in!” these poor birds cried,
“Before we do expire!
’Tis only by the merest INCH
That we escaped the fire!”
Their feathers burned, their combs adroop,
They were the saddest sight.
They’d run a hundred miles or more,
All day and then all night.
“Come in! Come in!” the ducks all quacked,
“For you our hearts do bleed!
We’ll share our happy lot with you;
Just tell us what you need!”
And so these poor bedraggled hens
Amongst the ducks moved in.
“For after all,” the ducks declared,
“We’re sisters ’neath the skin.”
Before too many months had lapsed,
The hens were good as new.
They sent for all their rooster friends,
And those were welcomed too.
To please their hosts, these chickens tried
To waddle and to quack.
To simulate the duckish ways,
They quickly learned the knack.
This pleased the flock of ducks because
It gratified their pride.
But hear my tale and learn how they
Got taken for a ride.
The ducks, it seemed, spent all their time
In fixing up the place;
In growing food and building homes
And cleaning every space.
They asked the hens what they would do
To earn their daily bread.
“We’ll teach and write and entertain,
And buy and sell,” they said.
And so these hens began to teach
The baby ducks and chicks.
They traded food and eggs and things,
With many clever tricks.
They wrote great books and put on shows
— Of genius they’d no lack.
It wasn’t long till chickens owned
The Duckville Daily Quack.
One day a mother duck who took
Her ducklings to the lake,
Was flabbergasted when one said,
“A swim I will not take!”
“Why duckling’s ALWAYS swim!” she gasped,
“It’s what you’re built to do!
Like bunnies hop, and crickets chirp,
And cows most always moo!”
“You’re NUTS!” her son replied,
“That stuff is all OLD HAT!
It’s wrong for birds to swim — besides,
It’s damn cold on my prat!”
“Oh fie!” the mother duck exclaimed,
“You’re talking like a fool!”
Up quacked the other ducklings then:
“He’s right! We learned in school!”
“Such things must stop!” the mother cried,
“Those hens can’t tell such lies!
For sheer ingratitude and nerve,
I’m sure this takes the prize!”
But she was wrong, for even then
The hens did thump the tub,
Demanding they be let into
The Duckville Swimming Club.
“But you don’t swim!” the ducks exclaimed,
“To join, why should you care?”
“That’s not the point” the hens replied,
“To exclude us isn’t fair!”
The younger ducks, who’d been to school
Agreed right there and then,
“To keep them out is bigotry!
’Twould just be ANTI-HEN!”
Outnumbered by the younger ducks,
The old ducks soon did lose.
The hens could join the Swimming Club,
If they would pay the dues.
That night the Duckville Daily Quack
Contained this banner spread:
“Reactionary Ducks are Licked!
Duckville moves Ahead!”
Down at the Duckville Gaity,
The young set laughed with glee,
At cracks about “old fuddy ducks”
In burlesque repartee.
Next day the hens were at the Club;
A petition they’d sent round
They objected to the Swimming Fund
With fury and with sound.
“You use our dues to fix the pond,
To keep it neat and trim
And this is wrong” they said, “because
You know we do not swim!”
“God help us!” cried a wise old duck,
“These chickens have gone mad!
We’ll take this thing to court, by George,
And justice will be had!”
But when they went before the judge,
Imagine their dismay!
A CHICKEN judge decreed that they
A heavy fine must pay!
“Minorities must have their rights!”
The judge declared right then.
“To use hens’ dues to fix the pond
Is very ANTI-HEN!”
Very witty!
(NOT)
Its not meant to be witty!
Its meant to be true!
Now I’ll call you Philibuster.
Pumpkin keeps banning the shit out of me. This is anti-free speech. Pumpkin is a young duck being taught his morality by a hen. His verbal intelligence and social intelligence too low to see it. oh oh – spaghetti-oh.
Your verbal & social intelligence are too low to see that i don’t ban you because of morality, i ban you because you’re bad for business
buisness?
This blog is monitary or popularity?
To expand awareness of HBD.
People will reject it more given certain comments.
Rational debate to make HBD acceptable.
My question: What if not all diffrences are good?
What make a value judgment valid?
Deep meditations from PP on masculinity…
So where does penis size factor into this??
Lol
https://i0.wp.com/www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/ccf_20170201_reeves_2.png?w=768&crop=0%2C0px%2C100%2C9999px&ssl=1
Steve forgets to mention how this correlates perfectly with following orders when nobody is looking.
Philibuster, you said girls liked men who wouldn’t hesitate to take it downtown with black dudes.
Let’s imagine the two of us are at a nightclub and we have the same target who finds us equally attractive.
Let’s say you have started your game before me. Then I come, my game is usually entertaining and tactile. Girls like to touch my six pack and I’m an expert in pecs bouncing. But I don’t do these things inappropriately, it only happens after a girl compliments me multiple times about my body.
Would you start a fight ?
If yes, what do you think would be the girl’s reaction ?
I wouldn’t ‘start a fight’, especially if I didn’t know the girl.
But if it was a long term gf or a girl I’d been going out or maybe even a gf of a friend you definitely get the champagne bottle to the head.
Girls are actually disappointed with their guy don’t get angry if another guy hits on her in front of them and they are passive.
I’ve never seen a situation where a girl felt, not thought, that it was good for a guy to be ‘comfortable in his manhood’, ‘not clingy’ or ‘respectful of her individuality’ or some other jewish feminazi nonsense and not to care if a guy ripped off his top and started asking her feel him up.
Even in the very rare cases ive seen where a guy let some other guy hit on her in the hope he would rejected the guy quick or he would be a gent and simply peel away once he found out she was with someone, the relationship or tryst ended pretty soon after.
I remember Ulrika Johnson kept f**king that Liverpool striker Stan Collymore lad after he beat her in public when he thought she was inviting guys on. Her deep feminist ideology was overruled by evolution.
Because all ideology is overruled by S&R.
To be honest I’d expect you to crack a bottle over my head if Little Mrs Shylock-Sapiens was in my cross hairs.
The worst thing about nightclubs in London is that white guys fight with their hands tied behind their back by ____
(a) Oprah Winfrey
(b) The law created by Shylock
(c) ‘Modern’ SJW attitudes to women created by Shylock
(d) Shylock’s mind control rays on women created by Shylock
The answer is of course (a), Oprah Winfrey.
Girls are actually disappointed with their guy don’t get angry if another guy hits on her in front of them and they are passive.
Very true, but they also get freaked out if you smash champaign bottles over other another guy’s head.
You scare women, Phil.
They’re afraid of you.
Phil
do you have any idea why whites are so trashy in the UK ?
Most whites in America would be considered middle class compared to most Whites I’ve met from the UK.
My theory is that whites in america have the example of the blacks and latinos.I know this because when i was a kid my dad would always say to me ” stop acting like that !. Only blacks act like that”
Whites in the UK are extremely dysfunctional .
and what the hell is up with the nickelson jackets and bulldogs? is it their trademark?
Thats strange you’d say that. I would say both are equally as trashy compared to continental euros.
Even the slavs I’ve met/lived with are less ‘thrashy’ than Americans/UK, and they are poorer. I lived with one russian who is what you mayconsider a peasant and she was aware of high literature, dressed solidly and had a good bearing as they used to say.
So its not income levels.
Look at German tv. I saw one stat study showing documentaries were double or triple the tv time in germany than UK.
The main explanatory factor I think is exposure to blacks as your father pointed out. Once again instinct beats some autistic retard spending 15 years in a dark room trying to figure out if the person is smiling in the picture.
To put on my pumpkin hat:
Blacks like oprah use their social intelligence to adapt to their environment and change the culture around them.
Or in Philosopher speak:
Blacks have social intelligence which was recognised by whites early on, hence strong discrimination. For example, the suppression of black rock n roll to promote white rock n roll, even though the blacks innovated in the area just as much.
Same with rap, which had eminem front it if you remember. I think before eminem, rap wasn’t ‘over’ as the wrestling people would say.
The difference between early rock, jazz and later hip hop is something i’ve observed – the declining IQs of americans. I think black IQs have dropped as much, if not more than whites, as R selection and the black household broke down.
So there has been a waterfall effect – lower IQ black culture is dragging down overall culture plainly due to the historical influence blacks have always had on comedy, music, sport, fashion and language.
To be fair to the blacks, while they will never attain even modern central asian developmental levels economically or technologically, they are extremely able to influence pop culture via testosterone and schizophrenic tendencies (i.e. charisma, imagination, creativity, bravery, coolness and artistic risk taking).
So there you go, I finally say something good about ‘the blacks’ pumpkin, can I be unmoderated now?
is richard elman a jew? he’s in a very jewy business, but he doesn’t look especially jewish. the ceo of BLND looks more jewish, but isn’t.
“But if it was a long term gf or a girl I’d been going out or maybe even a gf of a friend you definitely get the champagne bottle to the head.”
I back PP. That’s frightening.
It would actually have the inverse effect, if you harm the guy that a girl finds sooo entertaining, sooo hard and soft, soo good looking, she’s gonna be all over him doing everything she can to get him better. Then I go like “kiss it better baby” and she looks at you like “what a retard”.
Violence is definitely not sexy, you can defend yourself but you can’t attack.
Its coming to a head now. The moment Winston and I have been waiting for.
Who is Emmanuel Goldstein?
A projection from Big Brother.
You see whilst many of you will read 1984, none of you will realise Emmanuel Goldstein and big brother are the same person.
****
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The chemist said it would be alright, but I’ve never been the same.
You are a proper fool, I said.
Well, if Albert won’t leave you alone, there it is, I said,
What you get married for if you don’t want children?
HURRY UP PLEASE ITS TIME 165
Well, that Sunday Albert was home, they had a hot gammon,
And they asked me in to dinner, to get the beauty of it hot—
HURRY UP PLEASE ITS TIME
HURRY UP PLEASE ITS TIME
Goonight Bill. Goonight Lou. Goonight May. Goonight. 170
Ta ta. Goonight. Goonight.
Good night, ladies, good night, sweet ladies, good night, good night.
GOODNIGHT. I MISS YOU SO. I ONLY WISH I COULD COME BACK. OH I DO I DO I DO I DO. I WOULD RATHER NOT HAVE KNOWN THANK YOU VERY MUCH. VERY MUCH SO IN FACT. RATHER DISTASTEFUL I WOULD VENTURE. INDEED INDEED.
IT IS AGONY.
it’s in the fucking book pill.
o’brien says he and others wrote goldstein’s book.
what few get from 1984 is that it isn’t about stalinism. it’s about late capitalism.
Oh oh.
I rescued another clue from the memoyrhole.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Jews_and_Their_Lies
The founder of protestantism has a large 500 page tract on the jews.
I was never made aware of this in school.
I agree that short men look ridiculous when they are exaggeratedly muscular. It’s not social class, it’s common sense.
How short we talking?
Short like real short. South of 170cm
Half of my comments are stuck in moderation. Not fair. At least unmoderate my responses to Philibuster.
I had to put you in moderation because when you get drunk you go non-verbal & just spam the comment section with music videos
Well I’ve just had 8 comments modded in a row into oblivion. I may have to take my custom elsewhere.
Perhaps it’s because if your verbal IQ is too much lower than your spatial IQ, then you can’t learn language and if you can’t learn language, you can’t function at all in human society, but a little autism appears to be a good thing.
Individuals with Asperger’s Syndrome tend to have a verbal IQ > spatial IQ cognitive profile.
Afrosapiens, yes i lift, because i don’t want to get a hunchback. I’ve got more of a rugbyman/boxer look. But would have liked to be more ectomorphic and neanderthal like.
The scandinavian look is the best and i think many blacks look scandinavian except they are black. The latter is a complete put off for me. I don’t know why because otherwise i love big lips and mouth, large flared nose, big bottom and tight hips ….I thing danish and swedish girls are the closest things to my taste. The type i really dont like among white is celtish, because i love white skin but that can takes the sun without turning red. I’m half celtish myself and can’t stay under a strong sun.
If your posture is fine you won’t have a hunchback. But lifting (correctly) does change your posture.
Neanderthals were robust, they were the complete opposite of the elongated African phenotype.
I agree that blacks and Nordics ironically have similarities. But Nordics aren’t my type, my girlfriends have been African, French darkies, Lebanese, Jewish and I’ve had a gorgeous Venezuelan exchange student. I like curvy dark girls.
‘Nough said.
PHILIBUSTER
CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING:
Humans began as small bands of hunter gatherers, then agriculturists in small towns/villages, then they moved to Kingdoms with cities, then to Empires (Like Rome, which your low IQ brain claimed was an “ethnostate” despite encompassing all teh known world at the time…so multiethnic- more like Brazil than the 3rd Reich)
Doesn’t that imply that people left ‘those like them’ or ‘their tribe’ to join something larger?
The direction of the world post World War II has been on the works for thousands of years.
You’re willfully rejecting this is a symptom
of
1. Teenage angst AND/OR
2. Beta Angst
PP post this comment plz.
*your willfully rejecting this
hahaha
Google: ‘Austria Hungary’, ‘Who assassinated Archduke Ferdinand’, ‘Nationalism post imperialism’, ‘Independence movements today in Europe’. ‘Roman demographics in Italy’, ‘List of civil wars in the 20th century’, ‘Why are Americans less socialist than Europe’ and finally ‘Israeli immigration policy’. See if you can join the dots.
This was one of my favourites as a kid.
Arguably more educational than the educashion you seem to have got.
Phil you’re right that autistics are more cucked but it’s not because they’re cognitively feminine (they’re cognitively masculine); it’s because they’re emotionally feminine (rule following is emotionally feminine)
But East Asians despite seeming more autistic than whites are much less cucked. Of course you would probably argue that’s because Zion never gained a foothold there, perhaps because they couldn’t pass for East Asian
And btw, i think emotionally masculine and cognitively feminine is the best combination for getting women because it makes you act macho yet you still understand people
But you don’t want to be too extreme on any of these dimensions
But East Asians despite seeming more autistic than whites are much less cucked. Of course you would probably argue that’s because Zion never gained a foothold there, perhaps because they couldn’t pass for East Asian
East Asians are more clannish than Whites.
Only since WWII. Genes have not changed since than
East Asian women “cuck” (such a stupid word btw because interracial marriage isn’t a bad thing) East Asian men all the time. White man- East Asian woman couples are common. The reverse isn’t.
But East Asian countries are not racially diverse
Only since WWII. Genes have not changed since than
Are you saying East Asians were less clannish than Western Europeans before WWII ?
I have no idea what clannish is supposed to mean but whites were certainly tribal in the past. Look at nazi Germany, Jim Crow America, appartheid South Africa etc
“Of course you would probably argue that’s because Zion never gained a foothold there, perhaps because they couldn’t pass for East Asian”
This is 100 percent correct, Zion has not gained a foothold in East Asia. East Asians are extremely ethnocentric. Though, it seems like the Jews are attempting to infiltrate China….
I have no idea what clannish is supposed to mean but whites were certainly tribal in the past. Look at nazi Germany, Jim Crow America, appartheid South Africa etc
You are a “famous” HBD blogger and you don’t know this notion ? Here is a definition: https://hbdchick.wordpress.com/2013/08/15/clannishness-defined/
According to JayMan & HBD chick, NW Europeans started to become less clannish since medieval times (https://hbdchick.wordpress.com/2013/08/15/clannishness-defined/)
You are a “famous” HBD blogger and you don’t know this notion ?
I’ve heard of it, it just never made much sense to me. Whites were pretty clannish 80 years ago.
there are already two jewish billionaires in hong kong.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Kadoorie
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Samuel_Elman
Clannishness (and the related topics of trust/empathy/individualism/civic-mindedness) is the most important topic in HBD other than IQ (although I would still argue IQ is by far the most important).
This is why Pumpkin needs to understand the west-east gradient in human behaviors. Societies get more clannish as one gradually moves east from western Europe until one reaches the Middle East. Then as one moves from the Middle East further east, societies remain clannish but express it in a different way (through what’s called shame culture).
I’ve heard of it, it just never made much sense to me. Whites were pretty clannish 80 years ago.
You simply didn’t understand it.
You simply didn’t understand it.
You’re right. I don’t understand how lack of cousin marriage during medieval times didn’t start making whites racially tolerant until after WWII.
You’re right. I don’t understand how lack of cousin marriage during medieval times didn’t start making whites racially tolerant until after WWII.
Yes, you clearly don’t get it.
Yes, you clearly don’t get it
I just told you what I don’t get about it. Did you get that?
I just told you what I don’t get about it. Did you get that?
You miss the point. You said Whites were more clannish than East Asians before WWII, which is not true. At least read the articles.
Nobody cared about actor Michael C. Hall when he played David in Six Feet Under but once he played Dexter the serial killer, he suddenly became a sex symbol, even though the former was a much better show.
Interestingly, David & Dexter are not only opposed in emotional masculinity, but also on cognitive masculinity.
You’ve seen six feet under???
I’ve watched the first season long ago.
Before you saw me talk about it?
Where did you talk about it ? It was long ago as I said, your blog didn’t even exist at the time.
Seems like I wasn’t wrong when stating you are above average in narcissism…
black girl looking at me in da club right now
i can tell from this comment how smart you are afro and how much of an oreo.
Bounty please, I’m French

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdauXmCoS_M
3 observations on Buffet:
1. Buffet based himself in Omaha for family and lifestyle reasons. One of the hidden secrets of Buffet I would guess, is that being insulated from sharks, smooth talkin salesmen and psychopaths leaning on him one way or another means he just sees numbers objectively without dealing with human biases and politics. What he gained from isolation > rumour/gossip/tacit info or access to good deals on the Street.
2. Buffet is a good man but socially inept. Munger complements his autism well, as Munger is clearly blessed more verbally. In fact his firm, Munger Tolles is considered proper Big Law.
3. Buffets like many elites, simply don’t see the pain of the poor, working poor, homeless, addicts, and broken homes of the past 30 years economic policies. And he’s a good man! So you can imagine the vast majority of elites probably think their management buyout of nation state policies are working.
The corollary of number 3 is, what would happen if the elites were made aware of the misery of the 3 job single mother, the stress of hoping your heart doesnt give out, the debt slavery misery of student debt in a bad degree choice you made at 21?
Apparently buffet can do compounding and discounting in his head. Or run stat analysis based on data from his photographic memory. The Snowball is an excellent book, but he’s impossible to replicate. As he said his biggest success was being born in the right place, the right time – 1930s America in time for the 50s mega boom and apex of the american dream.
More generally people keep saying Buffet is a glorified accountant.
Haha.
People that say that are making a category error.
Buffet isn’t a trader. As well all know, Rentech scientists and Steve Cohen aren’t investors, but pattern recogniser traders. In rentechs case, they build computers to do it and have no idea about the underlying companies. In Steve Cohens case he literally stood on the street watching a ticker for 8 hours and began predicting the numbers. He had no idea how to read accounts.
Academically, finance is not corp finance, and asset management like the CFA says.
Its pretty distinctly:
1. Corp Fin
2. Asset Management
3. Trading
4. Risk Management
And in fact, banks are set up like that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovjiAgh6FvU&feature=share
oops
GNAA = gaynigger association of america. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gayniggers_from_Outer_Space
weev and spencer are not stupid. i agree with them about everything except their worship of white people. most white people are disgusting. there’s nothing “special” about being white. and 200 years ago white people were even more disgusting.
so white supremacists are irrational women when it comes race, but men when it comes to their other opinions.
spencer and greg johnson sound like closet homos.
Greg Johnson is an actual homo. Regardless Spencer I think is a homo behe ran away and fixed his hair like a woman instead of fighting back like a man.
Greg Johnson is an actual homo.
You have no evidence of that. To the lower classes, upper class guys like Greg seem like “fags”. He strikes me as extremely intelligent, even though his views scare the living daylights out of me.
https://pumpkinperson.com/2015/06/29/the-future-of-america-is-terrifying/
http://www.dailystormer.com/against-the-sodomite-right/
Dude just because I’m lower class doesn’t mean that I don’t know if someone is a homo of not.
And according to Satoshi Kanazawa, homosexuals are of above average intelligence.
You’re just bitter because he banned you from his blog.
peepee is so out of touch with what “upper class” means.
i hear upper class men. i don’t think they “talk like a fag”.
it’s got nothing to do with diction or accent.
i admit, most people simply can’t hear it…like that professor i had…no one else asked him if he was german.
i do have extremely sensitive hearing and am a gifted singer though i never pursued music because it was faggy.
it’s a thing. you have it or you don’t.
greg johnson and spencer do not sound upper class. they sound smart but gay. just not super obvious gay.
weev doesn’t sound gay, but he does sound like he’s from a lower class. given he’s from arkansas he sounds great. he laughs far too easily.
here’s an interview, purely audio, between spencer and some scot. the scot has a pleasant accent…most scots sounds horrible.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8X0NMmZAc8
i agree with everything they say in this dialogue. everything.
For someone who is so good at identifying accents, you’re pretty tone deaf at distinguishing between real and fake sock puppets, although in fairness, that might have just been trolling on your part.
Do you honestly believe I’m a half-black lesbian, or is that also trolling? You’ve said it hundreds of times so I have to wonder.
I only attempted to make one comment showing him that Cro-Magnon and Neanderthals never interbred. He never published the one and only comment I attempted to make at his website.
But that doesn’t matter, he is a homosexual. Me saying he is a homosexual has nothing to do with him not publishing my comment.
“greg johnson and spencer do not sound upper class. they sound smart but gay. just not super obvious gay.”
Razib Khan says he knows Spencer and that he’s a smart guy. But yea he does seem pretty effeminate. Spencer is a known homosexual.
“weev doesn’t sound gay, but he does sound like he’s from a lower class. given he’s from arkansas he sounds great. he laughs far too easily.”
Weev is a Jew. He’s admitted as much.
Weev is a Jew. He’s admitted as much
citation needed?
Johnson is a known homosexual ** not Spencer.
Citation needed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weev#Activities_after_release_from_prison
He said it to Gawker, but ‘it was just a joke’, of course.
I also know someone else who apparently called his mother and asked if they were Jewish and she said yes.
He looks like a Jew too. That beard.
Check out Stormfront for citation.
Also, Counter-Currents banned Brett Stevens of Amerika.org for “not discussing the infamous “JQ” ideologically correctly.
http://www.amerika.org/science/why-nationalism-is-rising-it-works/
Gay or straight, pretty stupid of the alt-right to spread rumours about Johnson because he’s the most articulate spokesperson they have. Maybe the movement has been infiltrated by someone who is trying to discredit him because he’s so effective.
Greg Johnson = culturally upper middle class and a homo who thinks that the white nationalists need to be more moderate to be accepted by society.
He is very anti-Nazi rhetoric and is very quiet about the JQ .
although he complains a lot he still supports the goals of white nationalism which is a separate country for whites .
Richard Spencer = even more upper middle class than Greg Johnson and shares the exact same views as Greg Johnson but wants to be a leader so he throws bones to the insurgent element of the movement. Heil victory = Sieg Heil!
if i had to bet on it i would say that he was a bisexual . The reason i say that is that he had an asian girlfriend, and he has a daughter from a russian woman. I have no idea why he has custody and not her, so she could be his beard and surrogate mother . I don’t know but im going with bisexual.
Weev = upper middle class guy who could be a jew but he’s denied it .
He was red pilled when his parents adopted two black kids, like afro.
He viewed them as racial strangers and thats when it all started.
He is very anti-Jew so he could be a bobby fischer type.
The strangest thing about him is that he has no job but can move from country to country.
I haven’t made my mind up about this guy. Right know i’m 50-50 on him. he could be a crypto or he could be a bobby fischer type.
but as i think about it i wonder how many jews would adopt blacks as jews are extremely tribal creatures.
Andrew Anglin = financially upper middle class but culturally working class .
He is the most popular white nationalist and by far the most extreme.
At times he can be very funny in a hitler fanboy kind of way.
Johnson and his kind are extremely jealous of Anglin because his site is the most popular.
Spencer wants to be a leader so he would never attack Anglin but he constantly distances himself with statements like ” now i wouldn’t put it that way ” or ” its not something i would do or say but….”
The problem with Anglin is that he loses credibility when he posts fake stuff on his website. He goes with obviously fake stories about minorities which are either exaggerated or from dubious origins.
His saving grace is that he is unrelenting when it comes to the JQ.
The other leaders are irrelevant, as the only struggle in white nationalism is between the seekers of respectability , the nazis and those trying to bridge those two together.
of course the Nazis will win for 2 reasons
1. History has shown that the most hardcore always win an ideological battle .
2. Moderates are boring , especially for the ADD generation.
3. No one likes gays
LOL
Greg Johnson talks about the JQ all the time.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IKy3fCvMz-8
before banning my comments at least post rules of what can and cant be said in this bastion of freedom.
i dont want to waste time writing something and then have it censored .
This it totally off-topic but I’ve had this on repeat for a few days. Then I found out today was the 40th anniversary:
Does it make me a fag if I like this?
The live version is better. I used to listen this song a lot a few years ago. Driving along a highway at night.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJ9EDUClEyo
Ah Fleetwood Mac. The 70s weren’t so bad to music.
Theres a very dark story with the lead singer in the second video. One thing thats rarely talked about these days is incest. But incest has been going on as long as human civilisation. Cousin marriage is actually very common historically in all cultures.
That’s my favourite movie of all time I’d say.
Although this (great) song is based on another of the all time classics.
A little known movie called ‘Johnny and his Gun’. Breaking bad guy starred in a biopic of the writer/director of this movie, Dalton Trumbo, who was a magnificent writer. He wrote another movie called Spartacus, which is also a classic.
Johnny got his gun is a very philosophically dense movie. It’s kind of a culmination of Trumbo’s genius. His magnum opus.
I genuinely think the movie should be studied in film school. Most directors today are nepotist hires and adhd goons. And none of them can write (good) stories with perhaps the exception of….Mel Gibson.
Hahaha, I have a rationale for my seemingly impulsive opinions gentlemen.
Goldstein’s book.
I wrote it. Or, at least, I collaborated in writing it.
No book is individually produced, as you know.
…
‘You have read it?’ said Winston. ‘I wrote it. That is to say, I collaborated in writing it. No book is produced individually, as you know.’ ‘
interesting. john hurt died recently from a smoking related cancer, age 77. in 1984 he was 44 or 43. he looked older.
http://jasss.soc.surrey.ac.uk/16/3/7.html
EGI works….theoretically…it works for all life forms. but that doesn’t mean it can be selected for in humans. why would some genes make one more ethnocentric than others?
this is the general problem for behavior genetics in humans. the very idea that some genes or sets of genes code for certain behaviors in humans is prima facie ridiculous.
the prevailing prejudice is that all human group behavior is conscious…must involve “conspiracies”. it needn’t.
but even without any genetic cause, ethnocentric minorities will dominate individualist and “humanitarian” majorities.
how is christianity different from marx-ism? other than that christianity has been far more successful.
EGI works….theoretically…it works for all life forms. but that doesn’t mean it can be selected for in humans. why would some genes make one more ethnocentric than others?
As you pointed out a long time ago, it might not have been selected for per se, but was a side effect of things that were. Swank helped me think of a causal mechanism:
https://pumpkinperson.com/2015/08/04/ethnic-genetic-interests-a-simplified-version/
”EGI works….theoretically…it works for all life forms. but that doesn’t mean it can be selected for in humans. why would some genes make one more ethnocentric than others?”
Other life forms tend to have SPECIES-genetic-interests, seems.. also because they lack self-awareness enough to ask why*
Because every group of individuals tend to work just like organisms, with immune system– white cells/ defenders, nervous system/creatives, whatever systems/supporters. SGI is directly related to their own survive namely in hypo-aware life forms, also because intense fight in the food chain.
”how is christianity different from marx-ism? other than that christianity has been far more successful.”
Marxism or new left*
New left is the jewish poison to anesthetize and dominate Europeans, period.
Old left = marxism.
If the purpose of the new [jewish] left is to destroy europeans and diaspora so it has been quite succesfull.
”this is the general problem for behavior genetics in humans. the very idea that some genes or sets of genes code for certain behaviors in humans is prima facie ridiculous.”
Why not*
Because most life forms lack theory of mind at human levels they tend to choice for someone who look like them. In the same way most humans because they lack intellectual curiosity enough to ask, to manipulate the puzzles of the world and specailly because deficits in theory of mind, tend to choice for someone who look like them while the evolution of theory of mind will [or not] make humans start to choice someone who ”look like” him/her, mentally speaking.
Seems more effective [to some purposes] to choice and to agglutinate people with similar minds and behavioral tendencies than people with similar physiological phenotypes but a diversity of minds and behavioral tendencies, of course, a group of people with the same race can select those with very similar minds without the necessity of racial mixing but also with this factor.
Because liberals tend to be more mentalistic maybe, also, they tend to choice via mind similarities, ideology-signalizing, than for ”just a skin color”.
Schizo alcoholic pseudo-genius here seems french in their thinking…
too superficial, pretend to be german, deep, 😉
Jews are domesticating europeans, how*
They are selecting tamed ones [ liberals ] and des-select the less-tamed ones [ cons, namely those without christian-apophenic vulnerability).
But usually sterilized ants tend to work to their masters who are paying their salary.
the heart knows what the mind cannot understand.
there is a presupposition among HBDers (crypto-jews) that all group phenmona can only be explained by genetically determined individual behavior. and that such behavior never includes ethno-centrism.
in this way HBDers are ridculous. they’re “world-picture” is not the world as it is. it is still framed by the ideology of the societies they live in and have lived in.
so one can see that HBDers are simply “not that bright”, intellectually or socially.
i’ve been telling peepee this forever.
even though shoe, cockring, hbdchick, james thompson, jayman, etc. act in a totally ethnocentirc manner regarding their ideas they can’t grasp ethnocentrism for their blood.
yes peepee. all of these people banned me because they knew i was smarter than they were.
but they knew this dimly or un-consciously. none of them other than cockring was fully conscious of it.
…all group phenomena…
this is another point where the nazis were closer to the truth than any contemporary ideology, though the didn’t reach it.
what do i mean?
i mean that although the nazis were chauvinists for the “aryan”, the “aryan” was still merely an ideal not a present day reality.
that is, “aryan” was just code for “all the traits we nazis wish people had”, not the traits they actually have.
the nazis differed from former and subsequent eugenicists in that they believed human perfection had already been achieved but lost.
strange as it may sound, there would never have been a nazi party without historical linguistics. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_linguistics
the “aryan” ideal which had existed in the distant past was none other than the original indo-europeans.
the nazis believed that the indo-europeans were a single people superior to all others which had conquered europe and s asia, but had disappeared due to miscegenation.
btw, i’d like afro to explain this…is it just a mis-translation?
The ‘Aryans’ were already ‘mixed’ themselves. They had some ANE admixture and I forget the rest.
Have you read the latest paper from Haak et al on the PIE languages? Looks to be that the ‘PIE homeland’ is in the Russian steppes, proving that the Yamna spread the IE languages.
http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.693.1569&rep=rep1&type=pdf
Our results make a compelling case for the steppe as a source of at least some of the IndoEuropean languages in Europe by documenting a massive migration ~4,500 years ago associated with the Yamnaya and Corded Ware cultures, which are identified by proponents of the Steppe hypothesis as vectors for the spread of Indo-European languages into Europe. These results challenge the Anatolian hypothesis by showing that not all Indo-European languages in Europe can plausibly derive from the first farmer migrations thousands of years earlier. We caution that the location of the Proto-Indo-European homeland that also gave rise to the Indo-European languages of Asia, as well as the Indo-European languages of southeastern Europe, cannot be determined from the data reported here. Studying the mixture in the Yamnaya themselves, and understanding the genetic relationships among a broader set of ancient and present-day Indo-European speakers, may lead to new insight about the shared homeland.
And they weren’t blonde haired and blue eyed either, they had brown hair and brown eyes and dark skin, relative to today’s Europeans.
”there is a presupposition among HBDers (crypto-jews) that all group phenmona can only be explained by genetically determined individual behavior. and that such behavior never includes ethno-centrism.”
Huh*
Cousin Marriage theory* (or hypothesis or FUCKING JEWSUS!!1)
What HBB’s never do is
be honest about jews, specially the hardcore ones.
i was also banned from their sites.
They cant handle anyone questioning their fairy tales.
The HBD cultists/crypto-jews want us to forget the last 3,000 years of history and believe that asians and jews are superior to whites.
Some of them are even promoting the idea that we should have mass immigration of Chinese before china gets rich.
there was a time when people like them would have been lynched by a guy called bucky, while he chewed tobacco .
Because personality is not just a single one ”gene” some dishonest or self-fool people think ”so personality cannot be caused by genes”. Of course, personality is our pallette of ”adaptative’ responses, and we have many them to use everyday, but we ”tend to” born more ”blue” or more ”red” or more ”gray”. We have extreme personality types, for example, psychopath, or autistic, or even schizophrenic, if pattern recognition is also part of personality, and schizos tend to have too much of it. Everyone have the same number of color in their individual pallettes but we tend to use preferencially different colors than others to act and react. Or some people have intense blues and undertone reds.
In other hand regular people tend to born more amalgamated, so they tend to creates this idea that ”personality is crucially environmental”.
We have other factors because personality/ we interact with the environments all the time.
We need analyse
environmental quality
robusteness level of the being
Environmental quality
you born in the place and time where most people are like you, you feel as in your house when you walk in the streets and talk with random people. Your chances to mate, whatever your sexual prefferences, is higher.
This is a optimum environmental quality.
you born in the place and time where most people are not like you, you don’t feel as in your house, you have little confidence to talk with other people and you are routinely bad treated.
This a sub-normal environmental quality.
Now we need analyse your psychological resilience levels as well rationality to know how you will likely to behave in this different environment scenarios.
If your psychological resilience levels is lower, you’re too sensitive (even it’s possible be too sensitive and have higher psychological resilience) and live in sub-normal environment so it’s likely you will creates a defensive personality instead be fully yourself. Well, most people are not themselves in macro-social interactions but they still tend to create a public mask that are similar to their real-self, usually, only available in intimacy.
It’s easy to predict behavior among non-human species because they are too instinctive, they born and they pass their culture directly via reproduction. In instinctive scenarios culture or evolutionary habits and behavior are the same thing, too mutually symetric or synchronyzed .
while in human scenarios the human capacity to discover/invent new things, namely among rare individuals, creates this des-synchrony between culture/evolutionary habits and behavior, a hiatus between them, where live our palid ”free’ will.
Culture evolve more than human mental capacity to born with it and pass it directly, like in instinctive scenarios.
This dyssynchrony creates this partial illusion of freedom we tend to believe that we have.
Santo makes a good point, that personality phenotype is just as important for selection as appearance phenotype. You search for people with the personality preferences you can get along with and move away from the ones you don’t like.
In migration when tribes of 300 people split you would go with the people most like you. If you like hot weather you move with the tribe that moves south. If you like cold weather you move with the people who also like cold weather.
Temperament is mostly genetic along with other personality features. Personality dictates most behaviors. So it is not totally wrong to say genetics dictates individual behavior. The likelihood that your personality will be similar to your parents group is really high. At a selection level small differences matter more. Personality then is a huge selection mechanism not just looks.
Learning in the brain happens because neurotransmitter receptor sights concentration change. The more dopamine receptors you have the more likely dopamine will activate your motivation drive. Genes can influence the number of receptor sites for thousands of neurotransmitters. This is why personality can vary so much. Contact with the environment change the growth patterns of receptors. And genes determine the location of receptors and speed of growth. Behavior then is a response in the brain to the environment because of the interference patterns the environment makes in the signals the receptors change in response to. Selection is when two interference patterns resonate better together than the other patterns. Self-selection is resonance.
I believe that people with lower theory of mind tend to choice to the ”easy” answer: mate with people who are similar to them. Non-human animals who tend to have lower theory of mind also tend to make this non-verbal choice because it’s sensorially easy to find someone who are similar to you. People with greater theory of mind, too compassionate (despising aberrant types) tend to prefer people with the same or similar mind, even in the end, most people tend to choice for people with similar minds, they also has selected for phenotypical similar ones.
By the way i believe autistics no have lower theory of mind OR on avg we will have those autistics with greater and with lower theory of mind.
This crypto jew theory of HBD is the dumbest fuckin thing I’ve ever read.
This goes into Robert’s personal hall of shame alongside his cereal box psychiatry a la candy ass post modern sociology.
HBD is obviously something that has been suppressed by Jews since at least the mid-50s, if not mid 40s going back to the Frankfurt School of Philosophy. As soon as it was broached, Hitler was used to shame anyone going near the area.
People that point out Asians and Jews have higher IQs are making empirical observations, not urging people to overthrow whites.
Having a higher IQ has nothing to do with the merits of whether one believes a government or aristocracy should constitute only higher IQ peoples on principle, and still less in practice due to the obvious race question and various other HBD outcomes around clannishness/empathy, testosterone, personality, and of course genetic self interest, which contrary to robert, exists.
You can drop a white polish guy in Ghana, and if he gets in trouble, 9/10, a british or german guy will help him out. Same with a Kenyan helping a Nigerian on a French street. People with similar genes help each other out. Its not rocket science, but with semantics, it can be.
People might say its ‘irrational’ for people to sort like ‘children’ their affinity. But these very people are usually jews who are all too well aware of tribal characters of man. As I have said time and time again, if you don’t think the whole post modern edifice is a sham and racket for the jews, read Israeli immigration policy and walk to the ethiopian areas of Israel. Israel’s foreign minister explicitly stated they built the wall to keep out african blacks. It’s on the record in the Jewish press.
Pro Tip: Check into the Jewish press now and again. Its a fascinating thing as Bernays techniques and verbal eloquence is used for various factions to fight each other. Adelson prints free newspapers in Israel to get his Zionism across.
And to be fair, not all Israelis are zionists. Whats happened in Israel is that the zionists used the theatre terrorists (whom they often fund), to make the country more extreme. Saud and Zion have a little deal going on. Its a massive part racket, part tribal rule the world objective.
Ye shall see evil in the works of his hands.
Is racketeering a lesser sin than genocide? Often they are synonymous.
This crypto jew theory of HBD is the dumbest fuckin thing I’ve ever read.
This goes into Robert’s personal hall of shame alongside his cereal box psychiatry a la candy ass post modern sociology.
It is pretty silly, however there are some Jews who use HBD to advance their EGI, and several HBD bloggers are useful idiots for Jewish interests.
However your claim that Jews suppress HBD because they don’t want the World to know how brilliant they are is also silly. That’s not their motivation for opposing it.
Its not silly.
Do you think rich people like people knowing they are rich. (And I mean really rich, not afrosapien champagne bottle rich).
Half the world’s richest people are not on the Forbes list, I guarantee it.
Do you think rich people like people knowing they are rich. (And I mean really rich, not afrosapien champagne bottle rich).
Some do; some don’t. Donald Trump claims to be far richer than Forbes accepts, while many on the Forbes list are there despite legal attempts to prevent Forbes from exposing their fortunes.
If Jews didn’t want people to know they were smart, they wouldn’t promote Einstein as the greatest scientist of all time and celebrate all the Nobel Prizes they’ve won. Being seen as smart implies Jews create real value and have earned their incredible success, instead of obtaining it through cheating as anti-Semitic stereotypes argue.
Further, Cochran’s theory that Jews are the genetically smartest people was not at all controversial in the media, and was covered positively in the New York Times, in sharp contrast to Rushton and Jensen’s theories which did not mention Jews and were publicly trashed.
The reason liberal Jews don’t like HBD is because they fear it promotes tribal thinking and are far sighted enough to know that could eventually turn against them, even though they’re not the imminent targets. Jews opposed HBD long before anyone even knew Jews did well on IQ tests
Half the world’s richest people are not on the Forbes list, I guarantee it.
That’s like saying half the World’s animals have not been discovered. By definition not verifiable. But I agree that many people on the list don’t want to be.
” they don’t want the World to know how brilliant they are is also silly.”
Replace brilliant with any of the following: treacherous, greedy, grubby, duplicitous, conniving, seditious, clannish, low empathy, gamma, vengeful, nasty, neurotic, paranoid schizophrenic, racist, baleful, manipulating….you get the picture.
HBD points out negatives more than positives about races.
JS thinks I said whites are high empathy dupes as a negative thing or that they are upper medium IQ only, as an insult.
Not true.
IQ is not a positive personality trait. Its not even a personality trait per se.
So you believe in ”Einstein myth of jewish geniuses”…
There are disproportional rate of [high functioning] psychopaths, sociopaths and many other aberrant types among jews.
Hbd-hardcores are overwhelming positive about jews: Hbd Chick, Jaymesman, James Thompson, Emil Kirkegaard, Michael Woodley…
Do you can see*
Hbd-hardcore, the heart of HBD is totally jewish-lovers. Don’t expect any significative criticism about jews in the heart of HBD, even because there are disproportionate rate of jews, cripto-jews (Staffan), half-jews there…
Hbd’ers want to save jews from their possible ruin if most people become aware about them, ”se o caldo engrossar”.
Hbd’ers overwhelming believe:
– anti semitism is near to be a mental disease;
– jews have a [euphemism] ”evolutionary strategy” [destroy nations and people, period];
– only ”eastern ashkenazi jews” who are the bad guys;
– jews was also blessed by ”positive personality factor”, other psychological construct that is factually incongruent.
”American renaissance” website and hbd share many ”point of views”: they overwhelm exacerbate black or any other non-white non-jewish groups, rarely about jewish problem, over-talk about IQ….
”Further, Cochran’s theory that Jews are the genetically smartest people was not at all controversial in the media, and was covered positively in the New York Times, in sharp contrast to Rushton and Jensen’s theories which did not mention Jews and were publicly trashed.”
Thank you Pumpkin!!!
Exactly!!!
Look as you say.
The jews are ibtelligent enough to see hbd is a can of worms.
Once people start seeing the hand of the jews in most historical events ideologies religions and foreigb geopolitics they arebt likely to be praising their iq test scores ir nobels.
Thats my view on why they suppress it anywayn. Although i agree thinking tribally in general is something they wabt to avoid. Also other minorities thinking tribally against them too. E.g. blacks muslims asians hispanics.
in fact…
occidental dissent and n/a shut down their blogs shortly after i posted my comments.
…this is not to impose a single model of civilization…
but…obviously…that’s exactly what it is.
that is…
what sarkozy really means is
this is not to impose any existing model of civilization but to impose one global model of civilization controlled by people like me.
Pumpkin, this will sound cliched but…
don’t change yourself. Just because you’re not macho doesn’t mean you’re effeminate. Even if you are, there’s nothing wrong with that. Women aren’t attracted to just ONE type of man. The women Afrosapiens attracts will be different from the women you attract will be different from the women Philosopher attracts and so on. We all like different things.
Thanks Deal with It!
I think Mug of Pee and especially Philosopher are too masculine in their personalities.
I think Afrosapiens is too feminine, but I think that’s just because he was raised in a pampered upper class French culture and got into modeling.
RaceRealist has the best balance.
“RaceRealist has the best balance.”
Thanks. =^)
I bet Mugabe would be a really whipped/submissive bf. Men who act that tough just want a girl who will let them paint her nails.
“I think Afrosapiens is too feminine, but I think that’s just because he was raised in a pampered upper class French culture and got into modeling.”
????????????????????????
How am I feminine ?
How am I feminine ?
Being from France you wouldn’t understand how your behavior would be viewed through the eyes of rugged Canadians.
Afrosapiens, Pumpkin
This is proof that Africans would have no problem surviving in a cold climate.
santo’s waiting afro.
i would never be your boyfriend deal, but you would be my girlfriend.
i would keep you in my sex dungeon.
put the fucking lotion in the basket!
every day i’d open the dungeon gates and you’d refuse to leave.
He’s the hairy-handed gent who ran amuck in Kent
Lately he’s been overheard in Mayfair
Better stay away from him
He’ll rip your lungs out, Jim
I’d like to meet his tailor.
deal’s dungeon costume…she insisted!
i would never be your boyfriend deal, but you would be my girlfriend.
What type of people are you sexually attracted to if any?
i would never be your boyfriend deal, but you would be my girlfriend.
Seeing as you believe the secret to getting women is treating them like dirt, perhaps this is your charm offensive.
“Being from France you wouldn’t understand how your behavior would be viewed through the eyes of rugged Canadians.”
As I told you in a comment you moderated, I see three types of masculinity:
-mature
-childish
-gay
I’m mature enough to do whatever I want to and still give back to back squirting orgasms.
“Afrosapiens, Pumpkin
This is proof that Africans would have no problem surviving in a cold climate”
Bomb. But I feel more like having Jamaican vacation.
“i would never be your boyfriend deal, but you would be my girlfriend.
i would keep you in my sex dungeon.”
Creepy…
But honestly, If deal and you were in real life, I’d suspect something not platonic going on between the two of you based on how you argue on nothing and always look for each other’s attention.
I’m mature enough to do whatever I want to and still give back to back squirting orgasms.
LOL. You’re proving Rushton right.
And ?
A successful sexuality makes you a real man, that’s the main purpose of our Y chromosome.
The Y chromosome doesn’t have a purpose Afro. Evolution’s not teleological
It does, it makes you a male in opposition to the XX genotype.
“The women Afrosapiens attracts will be different from the women you attract will be different from the women Philosopher attracts and so on. We all like different things.”
Sure, that’s why I don’t think everyone has to be an alpha male.
But let’s face reality. I attract a much larger number of much better looking girls than PP does.
Afro, get over yourself.
Your sexual narcissism is so feminine.
Frankly if i was a fashion designer i wouldn’t hire you to model my clothes because you’re not good looking enough
You got your job because they wanted someone exotic & you had nice teeth, & powerful connections but now the industry has kicked you to the curb like yesterday’s trash & you’re forced to do boring office work like the rest of us
“Your sexual narcissism is so feminine.”
No, it’s extremely masculine, women are sexually very modest. Only men brag about their performance in bed.
“Frankly if i was a fashion designer i wouldn’t hire you to model my clothes because you’re not good looking enough”
Ahah, first I’m not just good looking, I’m perfect. No joke intended. There’s nothing that has to be changed on me.
Secondly, I’m not just a good looking dude, I have my own face (Slanted eyes, full lips, high cheekbones), I have a model body like very long legs, African silhouette, harmonious musculature. That’s why I cannot be replaced by another random handsome black dude, I’m special.
I came into modelling by pure accident, it’s a friend’s mother who’s the director of an agency who saw me and told me I looked amazing and all of her clients would spend fortunes to have me under their spotlight.
But I had to be a lawyer, modelling was fun. Now I’m just a model on instagram. I got a little too bulky as well, I was supposed to be the perfect teen: cute healthy and stuff, Abercrombie and Ralph Lauren segment. Now I’m manly in a way that no man can relate with me and that most girls would find extraterrestrial.
No, it’s extremely masculine, women are sexually very modest. Only men brag about their performance in bed.
But bragging about your attractiveness is very feminine. And it comes across as especially feminine in a black man because we expect more masculinity from black males.
“Frankly if i was a fashion designer i wouldn’t hire you to model my clothes because you’re not good looking enough”
Ahah, first I’m not just good looking, I’m perfect. No joke intended. There’s nothing that has to be changed on me.
We’re programmed by evolution to think we’re better looking than we are. I saw the picture you posted and I thought you were descent looking, but that’s not what I would want to look like. You look like a less attractive version of John Legend:
Similar eyes, but he has a more masculine smile and comes across as much less self-absorbed.
There are black guys I’d like to look like, but you’re not one. Trevor Noah’s a lot better looking than you are:
He’s a black guy I’d be jealous of.
Actually I think the best looking blacks (male or female) are Somalis and Ethiopians because they have Negroid skin combined with Caucasoid features, which is the optimum combination in my view. Caucasoid skin and Negroid features is the worst combination.
Secondly, I’m not just a good looking dude, I have my own face (Slanted eyes, full lips, high cheekbones), I have a model body like very long legs, African silhouette, harmonious musculature. That’s why I cannot be replaced by another random handsome black dude, I’m special.
LOL! So special you’re no longer getting modeling work.
But I had to be a lawyer, modelling was fun. Now I’m just a model on instagram. I got a little too bulky as well, I was supposed to be the perfect teen: cute healthy and stuff, Abercrombie and Ralph Lauren segment. Now I’m manly in a way that no man can relate with me and that most girls would find extraterrestrial.
Yes, they dumped you because you became too good looking. I’m sure that was it. 😉
“But bragging about your attractiveness is very feminine. ”
Seeing how you brag about being a celebrity, you would be worse than me if you had anything on me.
“We’re programmed by evolution to think we’re better looking than we are. I saw the picture you posted and I thought you were descent looking, but that’s not what I would want to look like. You look like a less attractive version of John Legend:”
Lol, you’re either delusional or blind. I look gorgeous, it’s not something that I tell myself in front of the mirror, it’s something that I have been told repeatedly ever since my youngest age, from Indonesia to California.
“He’s a black guy I’d be jealous of.
Actually I think the best looking blacks (male or female) are Somalis and Ethiopians because they have Negroid skin combined with Caucasoid features, which is the optimum combination in my view”
Complete opposite of the industry’s standards. Many of the hottest people on earth are mulattoes and medium skinned blacks like me, we have gorgeous shapes, our traits are sensual. South Asians are at the opposite end of the spectrum, a dark skin on a caucasoid face looks dirty.
“LOL! So special you’re no longer getting modeling work. ”
Dude, I’m a lawyer. Modeling is a leisure, not a career.
“Yes, they dumped you because you became too good looking. I’m sure that was it.”
You don’t know the industry. I quitted because I had actual work to do and because I got too massive for the segment I fitted the most in.
Lol, you’re either delusional or blind. I look gorgeous, it’s not something that I tell myself in front of the mirror, it’s something that I have been told repeatedly ever since my youngest age, from Indonesia to California.
It’s something you WERE told but are no longer being told by the people who matter.
Dude, I’m a lawyer. Modeling is a leisure, not a career.
It would be a career if it could be a career.
You don’t know the industry. I quitted because I had actual work to do and because I got too massive for the segment I fitted the most in.
In other words they thought you looked good compared to other teens, but now that you’re a man, you can’t compete with better looking men for the manly gigs.
“It’s something you WERE told but are no longer being told by the people who matter.”
One vapid response to begin with: the only one that matters is my girlfriend.
Secondly, I have a great instagram followership, I wake up every morning with girls (and boys) from all around the world telling me I’m divine.
Thirdly, I’m still connected to the modelling industry, my girl and I publish our seasonal lookbooks which are very appreciated by professionals. we attend fashion week events in Paris, London, Milan and New York. We’re hot in Barcelona, Lagos and Marrakesh too. We are given free designer’s clothes just because we are socialites and stylists see us as living commercials.
“It would be a career if it could be a career.”
My natural charisma makes more money in law than in modelling.
“but now that you’re a man, you can’t compete with better looking men for the manly gigs.”
I’m not in a competition, if I want to shoot for Armani, I’m in Milan next week. It’s a bit exaggerated but you know what I mean. But since I won’t shoot for Armani because I have other things to do, Armani sends me clothes. Winner-winner agreement.
If you’re so good looking, socially prominent & charismatic, you’re wasting those attributes working as a lawyer.
You should go into acting. They make really good movies in France & being multilingual would widen your options. Hollywood might even come calling & your self-described beauty & charisma will forever be preserved in movies you can enjoy long after your looks have faded
Dude, I love the life I live. If I could reincarnate, I’d b myself again. I have health, love, beauty, money, professional success. I don’t wanna be famous or powerful, I just wanna be me , a good future husband and father, a son who makes his parents proud, a caring brother brother and uncle to my sisters and nephew. I’m a simple dude.
It’s not about fame & power, it’s about self-actualization.
PP, don’t worry about me. I live an exciting life and I have no regrets nor envy.
Just to make sure we both know what we’re talking about, I used to be a male version of that:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnqNvtHyWEY
And embodied this ideal
Naturally classy
I can professionally judge a man’s appearance, but the idea of me being effete just makes no sense whatsoever.
I always thought John Legend was kind of gay-looking…
I don’t look like John Legend

Gonwana.
Yeah i agree.
I suspect hes another closet case.
Lets justbsay id be putting money on him as well being open to a jolly rogering.
remember two cliches/facts:
1) there’s plenty of fish in the sea
2) different strokes for different folks
I’m getting the sense that you’re insecure about your masculinity. Don’t be.
werewolves of london again!
you’re a weirdo
Serious question for Deal with It!
Are you sexually attracted to Mug of Pee?
no means yes!
although, peepee is right…ordinary people often confuse a gay accent with an educated or upper class accent…and male homosexuals tend to identify with their betters…whereas lesbians tend to identify with the “working class”.
but for those with ears there’s no relationship.
basically gay men talk like women. the degree varies a great deal, but, for those with ears, the number of male homosexuals who don’t sound gay is a tiny % of the total. perhaps 0%.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Do_I_Sound_Gay%3F
at the same time…
there is no lesbian “accent”.
not that i can hear. maybe women can hear it.
so gay men talk like women, but so do lesbians.
Probably because male homosexuality is more biological while female homosexuality is more cultural
or the result of sexual abuse.
lesbians often sound angry or harsh, but this is a mood thing. it’s not a pronunciation/articulation thing.
it does appear that so-called “obligate” lesbians are much rarer than obligate gays, but at the same time women are far far more likely to have had homosexual experiences.
it also seems to me from my limited experience that lesbians are more easily recognized than gays from their appearance.
the “obligate” lesbians seem to be much more “trans” than gays. that is, they don’t talk like men, but they act like men. they seem to want to be men.
or the result of sexual abuse.
Yeah, I was classifying that as cultural.
I think traumatic events can have a HUGE impact on sexual development.
Causes of female homosexuality are unknown.
What do you think about Cochran and JayMan’s ‘Gay Germ Hypothesis’?
http://www.unz.com/pfrost/the-gay-germ-hypothesis/
To quote Rushton “it’s very easy to throw ideas in the air without any kind of empirical verification”
“To quote Rushton “it’s very easy to throw ideas in the air without any kind of empirical verification””
lol. Does this include empirical verification with small ns?
though in fairness, greg has some empirical verification for his model
Like male homosexuality, the environment.
If the environment doesn’t allow for sexual polarity ie. masculine v feminine, there is no sexual attraction.
Today, it is without doubt culture has become more feminine in many respects, whilst white men have become more feminine making them easy prey for certain minorities. Men who ‘leaned’ genetically feminine or gay and/or for various other unknown pre-natal/lifestyle factors, actually go ‘full homo’.
On the other hand fairly masculine women, who in harsher times would simply have mated with really butch men or been given very feminine lifestyles and expectations tip over the border into lesbianism.
I think no matter how masculine or feminine society is, there will always be gays/lesbians. The key is to compare masculinity/femininity across societies. SE asia was notorious for homosexuality and transsexuality well before feminism reached there (it still hasn’t), in this way I expect there to be an explosion of the gay population there should western modern femininity reach the shores of Thailand, Philippines et al.
”I think traumatic events can have a HUGE impact on sexual development.”
Any condition must need to be pre-disposed, what happen is correlation of problematic families and sexual diversity. More mutations = more problems but also more diversity, extremes and some positive extremes.
Many homossexuals if not most homossexuals are not more feminine, of course this types evidently there are, and the avg homossexual tend to be less masculine but the avg is in the middle of this spectrum. I’m a good representation of one of the avg homo dudes, yes, because i believe in terms of behavior, homossexuals tend to varies more with less ”only-one” avg types.
I’m more masculine than a stereotypically avg homossexual even i could pass as sensible heterossexual, but the avg straight dude tend too repulsive to be emulated.
My only attraction to the man is sexual, i’m not devot of masculinity pantheon either about feminility pantheon.
I think different things [generally biological types] can caused the same expression.
Greg is a psychopath as well many many ”hbds”.
the only regional accent that sounds gay to me is pretty lower class as regional accents go.
i had a professor from georgia and then there’s al gore.
maybe they’re gay, but i’ve heard it many times in men i assumed were straight. and i’ve heard gay men with southern accents…
that’s not it.
it’s a very specific southern accent.
i don’t know where in the south it’s from.
all the other southern accents sound perfectly straight.
Lindsey Graham is an example of gay southerner.
mcwhorter is a black linguist and heretic. an example of a high IQ black guy who doesn’t sound like a jive ass.
there was a point of ideology among linguists that all languages are equally complex. mcwhorter says this is bullshit.
the same might be applied to accents.
what do i mean?
i mean that although i have an accent…everyone has an accent…some accents can be affected…straight men can affect/put on a gay accent….gay men seem to have trouble talking straight.
so yes.
there is a nw accent. bill gates’s is the thickest i’ve heard. and he’s the richest man in the world.
but in general the least complex english accent is in the western US, excluding so cal/valley girl/surfer talk.
or so i thought.
get this…
after living not very long in so cal i did an interview with two guys from pdx…
what did they sound like?
like supporting characaters from a ’30s western.
and i was told i had an accent by a fellow student from philie when i was at u-wisc.
people don’t hear their own accents.
afro isn’t special.
People also don’t hear their relatives’ accents.
My Jewish friends insist Bibi has no accent, when to my ears it’s incredibly pronounced.
Bibi Netanyahu is a relative of your Jewish friends? Or is this some kind of EGI thing you’re implying?
Bibi has an accent for sure. He’ll I’ve been told I have a Jersey accent but I don’t hear it. Now I assume people hear Tony Soprano in my voice when I don’t sound like him. A trucker from Michigan told me that.
What do you mean by “complexity” of an accent???
Speaking of which…I always thought the so-called “Southern California” accent was some invention made up by the media for movies and TV, or by Frank Zappa…I never heard it during the many times I visited, or even when I briefly lived there.
Then I saw this interview:
i agree with Jimmy the deleted.
jazz is crap.
with one exception, monk.
monk is HARD. one has to make an effort. he’s the opposite of “easy listening”.
crap jazz that’s ok?
come on negro-phobes…even dogs can howl beautifully.
white jazz?
there was one other but i can’t find it.
Punk rock superseded any claim jazz had to threatening the establishment. Monk and later Eric Dolphy, Ornette Coleman and Albert Ayler played jazz that was threatening to both blacks and whites. Now most jazz is just elevator crap.
i’d never seen Do I sound Gay? until i posted it. i’d heard about it on the jewish Fresh Air.
it’s very interesting though.
unlike cockring “it’s a germ” and the “it’s genetic” crowd i favor the “exotic becomes erotic” theory.
it just fits.
arnold looked in the mirror. did he wanna kiss himself? no.
that is, to some imperfect extent it’s not about aesthetics at all.
men can tell good looking men. women can tell good looking women.
although not very well.
it’s a leap from there to wanna do it with them. a big leap.
what i wanna do with a guy who looks like a greek god is kill him and rape his wife.
he’s a competitor, not a lover.
i mean i didn’t even notice girls until i was…
8. too young?
a long time before puberty.
and i never even thought about sex. what was that?
i didn’t even think about kissing her.
but i was obsessed from 3d grade to the end of 5th grade.
how can that be?
exotic becomes erotic.
I started grabbing girls by the vag when i was like 4 years old :). I even pressed my mouth/nose [redacted by pp, aug 11, 2018]
of course in the case of sexual abuse or rape…
men become repellent. but women still have a sexual appetite, so they become lesbos.
gay men were not molested by women…so it’s a whole different thing…
but i’ve read and heard that gay men aren’t just not attracted to women, they hate them. they hate women.
whatever the cause, homosexual “feelings” are not in themselves a sin.
homosexual acts are.
this is the position of the roman church and the most sensible.
if only voodoo prince were an actual roman.
no side chicks.
paul vi…sex is for procreation or it’s evil.
the roman emperor is…white…in so many ways…

it’s hard for a nigga.
come on afro. be the roman you claim to be.
God’s own motherfuckers, the carthusians, are accepting blacks.
the foreign legion is to militaries all over the world, past and present, what the carthusians are to religion…
they’re motherfuckers!
i admit it.
the french are 99% faggot.
1% motherfucker.
Lol, the Catholic Church and the French Army are two of the institutions that basically made me. I’m a Roman among the Romans, call me Superroman if you like.
Rome is back, the Universal Empire will kick your inbred Teutonic asses.
Jung’s typology of personality seems valid to me.
I’m an INTJ.
What characterises the empirical validity is a constructs predictive power. Therefore if I list my personality traits on a piece of paper and a construct predicts a good deal of them beyond statistical probability across a range of various other typology types, across a range of people, it ‘works’.
Its not ‘scientific’ in the hard science sense, but as with many aspects of psychology, it ‘does the job’ at explaining most outcomes, until something better comes along.
Predicting even half of outcomes is remarkably useful when the subject is human beings.
I genuinely don’t think you can be a good psychologist/psychiatrist without intuition to be honest. We simply don’t have the tools available to study the brain the autistic way, although that never stopped autists coming out with nonsense. I daresay the data won’t help you see the patterns as quickly.
People with social brains go to social occupations. People with lego block brains go to naturalistic ones. For a reason.
Being blind is not a source of ‘objectivity’ in psychology. Its a source of being wrong in psychology.
PP, You seem to think ‘masculinity’ = bad natured, ‘feminity’= goodnatured. There are good and bad in both men and women. Women have more compassion yes, but men are more generous. Men are also much more forgiving in general, less egoistic, less vain, less prideful, less envious, more fair (they are more likely to admit it if they are wrong) compared to women. Also they are more likely to sacrifice themselves for a greater cause. Sure evil people like genghis khan, hitler are men but people like gandhi,mandela are also men. Dont get me wrong…vanity, pride, envy, stinginess etc exist in men too, and there are men who have these in much more amounts (for lack of a better word) than women but these kind of men are a minority among men. In general, these qualities are lesser in men. They are also less cunning than women. The few men who are cunning are so cunning that they end up ruling their countries. I would grade cunningness among men and women like this. The most cunning in any society….from top to bottom are top 25%=men, followed by 100% women, followed by 75% men.
These are just my observations dont ask me for a source.
”Women have more compassion yes, but men are more generous.”
OR
there are more men who are more generous than women BUT we are not talking about averages.
”Men are also much more forgiving in general, less egoistic”
what*
”Sure evil people like genghis khan, hitler are men but people like gandhi,mandela are also men”
I don’t see great differences here, specially about mandela.
”Also they are more likely to sacrifice themselves for a greater cause.”
Behind every greater cause have a reward. Behind every rainbow….
”They are also less cunning than women. ”
Or they are/tend to be differently cunning.
”there are more men who are more generous than women BUT we are not talking about averages.” there are also more men who are also less stingy than women. So in general, men more generous than women.
”I don’t see great differences here, specially about mandela.” You dont see great differences between genghis/hitler and gandhi/mandela?
”Behind every greater cause have a reward. Behind every rainbow….”
What reward can a dead soldier who died fighting for his country get?
”Or they are/tend to be differently cunning.” What i noticed is the kind of cunningess found in men i also noticed in women, but some kinds of cunningness i noticed in women i didnt notice in men.
”What reward can a dead soldier who died fighting for his country get?”
Irrational war [there is rational ones] is not a great/moral cause, only for fool people.
”there are also more men who are also less stingy than women. So in general, men more generous than women.”
On avg, men are not more generous than women, otherwise at least my personal observations women are more naturally empathetic than men and subsequently more generous.
The great differences is that men tend to be more active but for example, genuine causes, animal care.
Disproportionate number of women are more likely to help non-human animals than men, just like 70% of people who are daily helping abandoned or vulnerable non-human and urban animals are women.
Disproportionate number of women become vegan and vegetarian than men.
Disproportionate number of women are against ”animal unethical experiments”.
Just to start.
”You dont see great differences between genghis/hitler and gandhi/mandela?”
Gengis Khan was trully evil, others*
Hitler, a very complex personality, but in the end, yes he was big evil just like Winston Churchill*
Gandhi is the only one here who was less in your true intentions and actions even Mandela is debatable in the end when the fantastic rainbow nation began to exist he showed his true face.
I agree that because women are emotional and emotionally skilled than men so they tend to have more of it, morally dubious traits or direction/use of this traits, included.
But many times women use their manipulative skills specially to live with others, saying ”white lies” to not offend other people, namely ”vulnerable” men and women in general.
I’m not trying to minimize the good or positive traits men tend to have, for example, to be courageous, tend to be, disproportionately speaking, a ”male trait”.
I’m just trying to give the correct weight to this differences and saying what for me seems obvious.
I never implied all wars are rational. There are irrational wars yes. I only used that soldier thing as an example of ‘sacrificing themselves for a greater cause’ without a reward. And you say women are more empathetic so they are more generous. Well i think actual generosity is i think a better measure of generosity rather than empathy.
As for women becoming vegan/vegetarian, i think health reasons as well as trying to be trendy also contribute to women going more vegan/vegetarian. Being vegan/vegetarianism is sort of fashionable these days. Taking care of animals….women actually have more free time than men. This could also contribute to that. And ofcourse compassion too….which i already said women have more of. Same reason behind more number of women being against animal experimentation.
By saying all these , i too dont mean to minimise the positive traits women tend to have. Its just that these days i often constantly see male/masculinity demonisation in the media, in many different subtle and indirect ways. Thats why i said what i said.
”I never implied all wars are rational. There are irrational wars yes.”
Most wars are irrational, period. Rational wars has been a exception. For example, the iminent clash of ”civilizations”, islam versus modern west. If it really happen we will know that it was caused by pure ignorance namely by ”weshtern” side.
”I only used that soldier thing as an example of ‘sacrificing themselves for a greater cause’ without a reward.”
Sorry but it was a low-quality example. Most wars are not ”greater cause”. And seems majority of soldier-like men are dumb, suckers of astute foxes on the power.
”And you say women are more empathetic so they are more generous. Well i think actual generosity is i think a better measure of generosity rather than empathy.”
Empathy predict generosity, usually empathy is the cause of the generosity.
”As for women becoming vegan/vegetarian, i think health reasons as well as trying to be trendy also contribute to women going more vegan/vegetarian. Being vegan/vegetarianism is sort of fashionable these days”
I don’t believe most women who become vegan/vegetarian do it via health reasons even what our nutritionist here already said: vegetarian but specially veganism is not a perfect diet [even i obviously don’t believe it’s true].
Being anti-slavery was fashionable in the XIX, so*
Seems, people already tend to develop their own morally correct conclusions, for example, about vegetarianism or about to be anti-slavery. But because most people are just regular/normal ones, so they are very attracted to the conformity and when they perceive no have a ”wave” of people doing the same thing or they tend to hide your feelings it to themselves or they finally tend to conform.
”Taking care of animals….women actually have more free time than men”
Your try to justify lower empathetic skills of men is unnamed, but ok.
”This could also contribute to that.”
No, it’s just a excuse. Men are clearly more emotionally cold than women.
”Same reason behind more number of women being against animal experimentation.”
49% of women versus 70% of men!
I don’t know the number of people who was interviewed.
Yes in other comparison women was slight more likely to be against same-sex intercourses but i think ”animal experiments” is much more morally charged than to be in favour or against same-sex intercourse, because the second look like a opinion, the first is the sad and instrumentalized reality: Thought, created, widely supported and executed by men.
”Its just that these days i often constantly see male/masculinity demonisation in the media, in many different subtle and indirect ways.”
Yes i know, interestingly in Brazil we have less feminism propaganda, at least by now. but well, in the past (read long long past) women were routinely demonized, treated as incapable to do anything without men permission or vigilance, quasi-sexual slaves of their for-all-life husbands.
”Most wars are irrational, period. Rational wars has been a exception.” No they are not irrational. Its only in todays world that most wars are irrational, not in ancient times.
”Sorry but it was a low-quality example. Most wars are not ”greater cause”. No it was not a low quality example.” And seems majority of soldier-like men are dumb, suckers of astute foxes on the power.” So being ready to sacrifice your life to defend your country is dumb? Wow! One cant always have missile/air defense shields to defend your country, sometimes people are needed to fight to defend their country. In olden times people didnt always have technology to defend their country. They relied on humans.
”Empathy predict generosity, usually empathy is the cause of the generosity.” Well if empathy is the cause of generosity, then since men are more generous then i guess men are more empathetic?.
”I don’t believe most women who become vegan/vegetarian do it via health reasons even what our nutritionist here already said: vegetarian but specially veganism is not a perfect diet [even i obviously don’t believe it’s true].” Nutritionist might have said that, but i doubt most people actually go to a nutritionist. They read stuff in the media and follow it. Also i forgot, the desire to lose weight also contributes to that habit. Again….i am not saying health/weight reasons are the sole reasons that contribute to women going vegetarian, i am only saying these reasons also contribute.
As for animal experimentation, didnt i already say that women are more against it, because they are more compassionate? I dont think any other reason contributes to it.
”Thought, created, widely supported and executed by men.” Its unfair to demonise men because of their creation or support of animal experimentation. Men didnt create it for fun. It was only a practical necessity. Men also created other kinds of expermentation, not just animal experimentation. Sometimes you cant substitute for animal experimentation. For eg: Some experiments are conducted on mice because sometimes people wont be willing to volunteer for those tests.
”interestingly in Brazil we have less feminism propaganda, at least by now. but well, in the past (read long long past) women were routinely demonized, treated as incapable to do anything without men permission or vigilance, quasi-sexual slaves of their for-all-life husbands.” If that is the case, then you have every right to speak out about it, just like how i have the right to speak out if i think masculinity is being demonised.
”No they are not irrational. Its only in todays world that most wars are irrational, not in ancient times.”
yesss
why
”So being ready to sacrifice your life to defend your country is dumb? Wow!”
Yesss
Right thing to do is
understand what’s going, why ”my” government want i sacrifice my life and killing complete unknown people.
Dialogue*
Why government don’t try avoid wars before via diplomacy*
”Well if empathy is the cause of generosity, then since men are more generous then i guess men are more empathetic?.”
If you have any evidence about it*
No, it’s not exactly a universal condition, you can be empathetic and not necessarily generous… but often, usually empathy predict generosity, because empathy is a mental act, while generosity is a ”literal’ act.
Men are in most cases less empathetic than women, deny it it’s like to be denial about racial differences.
”Nutritionist might have said that, but i doubt most people actually go to a nutritionist. They read stuff in the media and follow it. Also i forgot, the desire to lose weight also contributes to that habit. Again….i am not saying health/weight reasons are the sole reasons that contribute to women going vegetarian,
i am only saying these reasons ALSO contribute.”
ok.
So the core-reason for women, for people on general become vegetarian/vegan is about animal care, period.
”Its unfair to demonise men because of their creation or support of animal experimentation.”
No, it’s not,. when you say ”demonise” you’re saying ”exagerate”, i’m not doing it.
”Men didnt create it for fun. It was only a practical necessity. Men also created other kinds of expermentation, not just animal experimentation.”
Yes, MEN, predominantly, use domesticated, fragile, little creatures, use them as if they were ”things”, to be used and discarded.
It’s not for fun, but because stupidity and usual masculine feelings about non-human animals, just ”practical”.
”Sometimes you cant substitute for animal experimentation. For eg: Some experiments are conducted on mice because sometimes people wont be willing to volunteer for those tests.”
Most times you can, even because most of this experiments are not super efficient anyway AND ethics must be first in every action, in the perfect or ideal world.
”If that is the case, then you have every right to speak out about it, just like how i have the right to speak out if i think masculinity is being demonised.”
NO, when masculinity is not being demonised
you seems think like that
”talk slight bad about men = demonizing men”
isn’t*
Men are near to perfect, don’t deserve any criticism.
only some types of gay men who think like that, 😉
What makes you think diplomacy wasnt tried? I am not talking about todays wars? I am talking about wars in [past. Say, you are a french man or a russian man. Your goverment would not have been able to do anything diplomatically to stop naxi germany from invading your country? And you would have to fight. Thats not stupid.
I already said my original post was based on my observations. I didnt conduct experiments to measure. So asking for evidence is absurd. But if you still want evidence, then you too give evidence for your claims.
”No, it’s just a excuse. Men are clearly more emotionally cold than women.” ‘Yes, MEN, predominantly, use domesticated, fragile, little creatures, use them as if they were ”things”, to be used and discarded.”
It’s not for fun, but because stupidity and usual masculine feelings about non-human animals, just ”practical”.’This is nothing but demonising men….blaming stupidity and masculity as the cause behind conducting experiments on animals.” All these are nothing but demonising men. I think it is stupid to think that men’ stupidity and masculinity are the cause behind this. And you say they’ use’ them and ‘discard’ them. Let me ask you, what are they using them for?
”Most times you can, even because most of this experiments are not super efficient anyway AND ethics must be first in every action, in the perfect or ideal world.” Ideally yes, but practically its impossible. If ethics must be first, then you and me shouldnt even be eating meat or even drinking milk/consuming diary at all. If you are eating meat/ate meat or consumed diary then talking about the necessity of ethics is hypocrisy.
”Men are near to perfect, don’t deserve any criticism.” They do deserve criticism if they are wrong. I never implied they shouldnt be criticised.
”What makes you think diplomacy wasnt tried?”
At the least possibilities**
rarely.
”I am talking about wars in [past. Say, you are a french man or a russian man. Your goverment would not have been able to do anything diplomatically to stop naxi germany from invading your country? And you would have to fight. Thats not stupid.”
The ONLY-nazi monstruous always.
I already read that nazis try to avoid a conflict before second war world but i’m not confident enough to trust totally in this claim.
Almost human conflicts are caused by stupidity, this is their g factor.
Everything is rationally solvable if wisdom is perfectly used.
Second war world was caused by ABRUPT awareness about jewish problem in the heart of old continent.
Indeed one of the greatest enemies of wisdom is this ”people”.
”I already said my original post was based on my observations. I didnt conduct experiments to measure. So asking for evidence is absurd. But if you still want evidence, then you too give evidence for your claims.”
Evidence is not always required specially when it’s self-evident.
”This is nothing but demonising men….blaming stupidity and masculity as the cause behind conducting experiments on animals”
”demonizing” women = they are too naive, they don’t know vote… and i know you agree about most of this claims.
Often masculinity and stupidity go hands on hands as well feminility, as well ANY incompletude trying to reflect completude, the reality itself.
”All these are nothing but demonising men. I think it is stupid to think that men’ stupidity and masculinity are the cause behind this. And you say they’ use’ them and ‘discard’ them. Let me ask you, what are they using them for?”
It’s stupid to say ”animal experiment” [ euphemism my dear] is not a product of cold/logical mind [usually found in men than in women] + emotional stupidity + pure stupidity [non-human animals no have feelings, they don’t feel pain, they exist to serve ”us”].
”Good intentions” = search for cure of diseases + some intellectual reward [ a nobel in medicine*]
White trash is impossibly anti-ethical even when they try not to be.
Sorry
”to the last possibilities”
”Ideally yes, but practically its impossible. If ethics must be first, then you and me shouldnt even be eating meat or even drinking milk/consuming diary at all. If you are eating meat/ate meat or consumed diary then talking about the necessity of ethics is hypocrisy.”
You can kill psychopathic-like non-human animals to eat your meat OR extract milk from cows without hurt them. And yes, veganism is also perfectly possible.
People have a tolerance for milk, namely in western nations, and not a organic necessity, it’s not organically imperative. In many nations people drink milk only when they are babies and from their mothers.
”They do deserve criticism if they are wrong. I never implied they shouldnt be criticised.”
Stop to be dishonest my friend, i’m talking exactly ”when or where men deserve, on avg, to be criticised”.
Tell me you man and woman defects or challenges based on your views*
Geez and i thought my english was bad. I had a feeling that i am not conveying properly what i wanted to say, because of it. But your is even worse. I had to reread some stuff just to understand what you are trying to say. No offense. Please use your best english possible, if you reply.
Okay, at the beginning of our argument you imply men sacrifice themselves for a greater cause for a reward/benefit. Then later you change your argument to naivety/stupidity as the cause.
You said diplomacy is rarely tried. No its not. Kingdoms, empires dont always blindly rush to war. Its more of a calculated approach. And if a kingdom thinks it is weaker, it tries to maintain a good diplomatic relation with its stronger neighbour. And sometimes diplomacy breaks down when the attacking country sees greater benefit in attacking its neighbour than not attacking. And when the neighbour is attacked it will have no choice to defend itself, after a point. So saying that diplomacy is rarely tried is false. A lot of wars were fought for resources, something which diplomacy doesnt always provide. And you cant always try diplomacy when your neighbour is already determined on attacking you for your resources or your wealth if you are weaker than your neighbour. You have to fight. Not fighting then is stupid.
Same with nazi germany also, hitler wanted poland and ukraine resources, and he thought they were attackable and he thought could get away with it. So diplomacy would not have worked.
(””I already said my original post was based on my observations. I didnt conduct experiments to measure. So asking for evidence is absurd. But if you still want evidence, then you too give evidence for your claims.”
Evidence is not always required specially when it’s self-evident.)
Well then you should not have asked me for evidence.
(””This is nothing but demonising men….blaming stupidity and masculity as the cause behind conducting experiments on animals”
”demonizing” women = they are too naive, they don’t know vote… and i know you agree about most of this claims.
Often masculinity and stupidity go hands on hands as well feminility, as well ANY incompletude trying to reflect completude, the reality itself.”)
What?
It’s stupid to say ”animal experiment” [ euphemism my dear] is not a product of cold/logical mind [usually found in men than in women] + emotional stupidity + pure stupidity [non-human animals no have feelings, they don’t feel pain, they exist to serve ”us”].
Wrong, that is not the reason behind animal experiments. Animal experiments are done when people dont come forward for experiments. For eg: did you have zoology practicals is school/college? Students are given frogs to disect in order to study their internal working, to understand human body working, if they choose medical sciences in the future. Will a human come forward to be disected like that? No. This is what you dont understand. You say men are stupid or cold for doing animal experiments without actually understanding why they do that.
(””Ideally yes, but practically its impossible. If ethics must be first, then you and me shouldnt even be eating meat or even drinking milk/consuming diary at all. If you are eating meat/ate meat or consumed diary then talking about the necessity of ethics is hypocrisy.”
You can kill psychopathic-like non-human animals to eat your meat OR extract milk from cows without hurt them. And yes, veganism is also perfectly possible.)
Psychopathic animals? What are you talking about? And yes milk can be extracted from cows without hurting them. But in the west 90% of milk is from cows that are confined in closed places against their will, over fed etc to extract milk. So happily consuming diary/meat while condemning those who conduct animal experiments is hypocrisy.
(”Stop to be dishonest my friend, i’m talking exactly ”when or where men deserve, on avg, to be criticised”.)
Wrong!!!!! You are criticisng men where or when they do not deserve to be criticised.
I think you’re wrong.
K o sright.
Gamma males have women brains.
Many men can be stand up guys in the many circumstances.
Ita not as clean cut as pumpkin is saying.
For example iwould happily die defending the border from barbarians.
“PP, You seem to think ‘masculinity’ = bad natured, ‘feminity’= goodnatured”
I agree. I wrote something last night that is applicable here.
Fortune list are made of only professional ostensible (like stocks) wealth. I know in France 1 woman with 27 buildings in poshest Paris, valued 750 M & similar wealth abroad and she’s not on any list that claims to get all > 50 million euro people.
Rothschild are listed like having 300 million knowing they have 1000 more. A french journalist, Anne Sinclair is never on the list, we discovered she has between 200/400 paintings valued in the 30 million each one. She sells one every 10 years. We discovered that when her former husband soo-to-be-president in 2002 had problems with a Nafissatou maid in NYC, Sofi(ho)tel.
A lot of these anecdotes get exaggerated. Assets are seldom worth as much as people think, & while many assets go hidden, a lot of debt goes hidden too.
Obviously forbes can’t possibly find every USD billionaire on earth but it’s hard to get that rich without someone noticing since making money generally requires customers & clients
Of course stolen money is harder to track but if one doesnt legally own it, then they arguably don’t own it at all
No, Bruno is right PP. Forbes’ billionaire ranking as well as its company ranking are seriously biased in favor of owners of publicly traded stocks. Real estate, art, non-public stocks, jewelry, forex accounts, deposit accounts, offshore accounts less accurately taken into account.