I normally don’t like to make too many posts in one day, but I felt this comment by black national merit finalist ruhkukah captured this historic moment so well it deserved to be highlighted:
I saw Trump’s victory coming. I mean, I wasn’t 100% sure, but it made sense to me. I figured there was no way the polls would be completely accurate, given that a lot of whites wouldn’t admit to voting for Trump. And given increasing racial tension/resentment/partisanship, Trump’s election makes sense. Because ultimately this isn’t about Trump, but about the issues he brought into focus (political correctness, white working class resentment, the national/global elite).
I just checked my Facebook feed. Pretty everyone on both sides of my family is despondent, except for my one crazy uncle who went for Trump. Most of the minority people I’m friends with on Facebook (a lot of Asian and South American immigrants) are despondent, too. One white liberal friend of mine says they might be leaving for Canada or going to therapy.
What this means for the future, I don’t know. As a black man, I don’t think my day-to-day life will change. I am actually somewhat excited about a Trump presidency. I hope he does reduce immigration and fix our trade deals.
Will this election open up further discussion of racial/gender/class taboos, particular those regarding IQ and genetics? Probably, and that’s only a good thing, because instead of people talking about such taboos in a furtive manner on blogs like this one, people can have an adult conversation, face-to-face, and acknowledge what most people already accept, on some level. Enough of this political correctness BS which creates more anger and resentment from all sides.
More extreme outcomes of this election may be reversal of Obama’s policies (as Pumpkin mentioned, and very possible), the actual building of a wall (which I think is somewhat unlikely), more policing in urban neighborhoods (possible), and increased conflict with other nations (likely, not actual wars though).
Domestically, could this lead to an up-rising of white nationalists/supremacists? Who knows. I don’t think most whites are that angry….yet. Although it has emboldened people like David Duke. I don’t foresee a return of Jim Crow or a race war, but do think race relations will change somewhat in a way most people are not predicting…
Well, after ending on that ominous note, I’m glad you’re taking off moderation Pumpkin!
I had also thought of ruhkukah’s point about whites not wanting to admit to pollsters they supported Trump, as this is a variant of the well known Bradley effect, named after African American mayor Tom Bradley, who lost the 1982 California governor’s race despite being ahead in the polls, because whites lied to pollsters about supporting him, out of fear of looking racist.
However no Bradley effect appeared to distort Barack Obama’s election results, so I kind of figured that was largely a thing of the past. I guess I was wrong, or perhaps the problem with the polls had more to do with identifying “likely voters” in such an unpredictable election than it had to do with a Bradley effect. It will be fascinating to see the analysis of why the polling went awry.
Speaking of poignant black reactions to Trump’s victory, CNN’s Van Jones had a great moment last night. This brought a tear to my eye:
Pumpkin Person 
perhaps one reason that a variety of polls now seem so “off base” is perhaps
because the respondents were skewed in favor of Secretary Clinton, i.e., in one poll, Clinton was 13+, but that was due to the fact that of the respondents being polled,
there was alledgedly a much larger percentage of Democrats in the poll — therefore, the occasional consistency of the polls showing Secretary Clinton always in the lead was perhaps more of voter psy-op, if you will, to embolden the Hillary supporters come 8NOV and to discourage the Trump supporters
I’m not so sure that the Bradley effect actually exists. Even if it does, I doubt that it had anything to do with the polling errors.
The autopsies of the polling errors will be conducted. It is most likely that the error will be because they miscalculated the turnout % of the white working class demographic.
There are very few people interested in a real “conversation” about race. The interested group is so small that there might be a quorum here at this blog.
White nationalism is in no way going to take over “white thought.” The racial aspect for most whites was one of resentment, not old fashioned racism. In fact, I predict that “fascism and white nationalism” will lose a lot of steam, and it is very debatable how much steam it actually has in the first place, simply because Trump has been elected.
Actually I think the opposite.
I think there is something lurking underneath the mainstream consciousness that Trump drew out. Something hidden from view that is slowly surfacing. People are going to talk more openly about race for sure. Trump is the anti-pc candidate. What these discussion will lead to is finding out the things our grandfathers and ancestors knew in a crude way.
They are anecdotes, rumours, traumas and events in people’s lives people have papered over due to media and academic pressure. They are crimes never forgotten in their parents hearts. A threat that one cannot speak of without being shamed. An emasculation that is no longer tolerable.
There is something violent and vengeful coming. The Trump victory is based on rage and malcontentment. Its not an optimistic scenario. While Trump himself may or may not be ‘ray-cist’ in the academic sense, what he symbolises is the millions of white victims of black crime, the victims of affirmative action, the closure of worker livelihoods to Mexico and so on…and a suspicion that the media, in effect, Zion, is a lecherous agent in the body politic.
There will be a Dark Enlightenment. The kind I have had over the past 2 years. In fact I expect there will be more BLM riots, more police shootings, more assassination attempts on Trump, more Zionist bribery and media brainwashing punts, more unrest in academia and everything will drip out as the mainstream media loses more and more control over minds.
But at least people will finally know the truth about the human condition.
The Struggle of the Will.
The most darkest aspect or optimistic depending on your demographic is the slogan ‘Make America Great Again’.
For most whites this will mean the culture they grew up with. The heroes. The pastimes. It is not debatable America was ‘Great’ when it was whitest.
Current pop culture must seem a horrible nightmare to boomers.
Negroisation of culture, sport and politics is a road to Kinshasa.
40% of women are raped in Kinshasa at some point. 8/10 children grow up without a father. 30% of males spend time in prison at some point.
I believe Trump is best placed to stop dysgenics
I believe every country has eugenic/dysgenic policy – they just don’t know it.
(Well, during my time in Singapore, I’m cognisant the Asian elites do get it, hence no immigration except for high skilled whites).
Whites only have themselves to blame. They chose to employ millions of Asian nurses, Indian IT guys, African slaves, and Mexican construction workers. I mean, they did this to themselves, and despite enjoying a booming economy, sour grapes set in for their over-entitled and overpaid selves.
I think there is something lurking underneath the mainstream consciousness that Trump drew out. Something hidden from view that is slowly surfacing.
Yes. I’d call it, the End of White Guilt.
“I think there is something lurking underneath the mainstream consciousness that Trump drew out.”
Anxiety relief, the fear of prosecution for thinking while white has been removed.
I myself have been wondering about the possibility that someone will attempt an assassination of Trump. That’d be pretty fucked up…
Ruhkulah,
Do you think Trump, Melania and their family are not demonstration of dysgenics??
No doubt Melania is not a genius and even don’t appear to be smarter than a avg miss universe. And even trump score higher in IQ tests their intellectual skills are indeed deplorable. I doubt he have any GENUINE moral sensitivities and intrinsic motivation to use their fortune in upper wise ways.
To stop dysgenics he should be sterilized itself, to start.
i was wrong.
exit polls show trump won the white college educated AND the higher the income the more likely was a vote for trump.
my source is the NYTs.
white males with a degree went 61% for trump.
i thought trump’s support was bimodal.
i was wrong.
my mom and dad are in despair. my dad told me he was crying and couldn’t sleep.
but they both have graduate degrees.
another example of how eduction selects for obedience…as chomsky has said.
what does it really mean, “the revolution will not be televised”?
it’s a subtle concept…scott-heron might not have even got it himself.
“my dad told me he was crying and couldn’t sleep.”
LMFAO! The sight of a grown man crying because Trump won is hilarious, no offense. Is he an SJW?
i didn’t see him or hear him. i just got an email.
he’s a moron.
My mother a higher verbal IQ, especially, calll him a “crazy man”. No, she don’t study nothing about murrican politics. My father, seems a partial “cuck” via alt right jargon, also dislike the trump victory. Yea. No analysis, criticism and judgment. No try of factual understanding. He just internalize what major Brazilian media (considerably globalist/left internationalist).
My middle brother, a proto “SJW”, also believe everything in the media….. The same media he accuse to be responsible to manipulate Brazilian people to hate “workers party”.
My older brother like the trump victory but he is hypo-knowledgeable about murrican macro-politics.
What major media showed.
and as you may see from lion’s post on exit polls…
trump won because of MINORITIES…NOT WHITES!
that is, HISPANICS, BLACKS, ASIANS all voted for trump at greater %s than they did for romney.
AND whites voted LESS.
AND the % of the vote that was white DECREASED between 2012 and 2016.
THIS REALLY IS A REVOLUTION!
I HOPE!
Obama must be incredibly disappointed that blacks did not turn out to defend his legacy in larger numbers, but then, some of them are disappointed in him, particularly in the inner cities. He was a good President, but there was so much hope and change he failed to deliver on.
But what a slap in the face that Americans voted to replace Obama with the man who demanded his birth certificate.
That has got to sting.
I remember back in the Republican Primary, Obama was asked if he could imagine Trump being the next President, and he replied “I could imagine it as a Saturday Night Live skit”
Trump got the last laugh
“Obama must be incredibly disappointed that blacks did not turn out to defend his legacy in larger numbers”
Thank God!!
“He was a good President”
What are you smoking? Is this a serious statement?
“but there was so much hope and change he failed to deliver on.”
Because “hope and change” ™ was false the whole time.
Obama(don’t)care has cost me about 1500 dollars in fines since it was implemented since I refuse to get it because I’m a healthy young man in the prime of my life. I’m not going to buy something under threat of penalty. Paying the fine every year is cheaper than paying the ridiculous premiums.
If you do decide to do more moderation in the future, can you reject the comments of commenters who claim that they are not “political” but continually make politically based comments?
I just really don’t like Obama. I don’t like that I have to pay a fine every year. Obama has been a garbage “President”. Statement of fact. His garbage bill Obamacare screws people over. Statement of fact. This is why I don’t like him. But I guess speaking the truth makes me “political”.
No. Those are opinions and value judgements. You need to learn to be able to tell the difference. Apply the same methods and standards that you use when evaluating the data points in an article that claims to be “scientific.”
Yeah that’s true.
BUT
It’s being reported that Trump is going to tap (possibly) John Bolton for Secretary of State.
John Bolton!?!?
May just be Bush III
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/preliminary-list-shows-potential-trump-cabinet-picks/ar-AAk6VI3?li=BBnb7Kz
He didn’t explicitly name and campaign against the neo-cons, did he?
No, but that could just be because very few people understand what a “Neocon” is.
I did remember reading Trump supporter’s comments on MSN.com back in February saying “Don’t vote for Rubio because he’s a Neocon” but that’s all.
“No, but that could just be because very few people understand what a “Neocon” is.”
Of course, give me a little credit. He could have hit foreign policy war monger mistakes a lot harder. He could have named a few names other than Clinton and said that these people are mucking things up and I will not appoint people like them. He didn’t do much of that.
I think polls might have underestimated Trump not because of secret Trump voters lying about voting for Clinton, but rather because of some Trump supporters just refusing to admit their support for Trump in order to avoid being seen as racists, either by saying that they were undecided or by rejecting to answer who they were going to vote for. This can have potentially skewed the polls towards Clinton as her supporters would have been overrepresented.
The polls are biased.
In this day and age with our tools and stat methodology, there’s no real excuse to get things wrong systematically like that.
Same with Brexit.
They wanted to influence people not to vote.
They stupidly never considered the possibility that it just discourages non-passionate Hillary or Remain voters who assume status quo to stop watching American Idol/X Factor and vote.
this is TRUE, but not necessarily in a conscious way.
WHENEVER THERE IS A SUBJECTIVE ELEMENT, THERE IS DISCRIMINATION AND BIAS.
what’s the subtlety that so few get…even smart people don’t get?
any “system” has 2 components:
1. ideology or ideology vs ideology.
2. the means of selection of those who determine what the ideology vs ideology IS.
the not so bright liberals get #1, but #2 they don’t get.
trump is…
1. the richest president ever. and he gave $55m to his own campaign.
2. the only president who has never had to “make it” in a “system”. he’s not a politician and he’s not eisenhower, grant, or washington…a general.
the people voted for…
AUTHENTICITY!
EIGENTLICHKEIT!
at some level they GOT that the WHOLE SYSTEM is the problem…not just one candidate vs another.
The revolution will not be televised, will not be televised,
Will not be televised, will not be televised.
The revolution will be no re-run brothers,
The revolution will be live.
If the founders could re-write the constitution they should have put in an automatic death penalty clause for bribery/corruption/selling office to foreign agents.
There is no scenario I can think of where politics is helped by bribery, so it should be removed completely.
People throwing Lincoln example where he used guys to grease the wheels for the slave release stuff with bribes are going down the ‘well if we could spend $100b for a supercomputer to monitor everyone’s thoughts to catch a terrorist who could kill 2000 people, that would be worth it’ line.
Obama hasn’t got much of a legacy now.
Apparently that nuclear deal was ripped up by Russia due to Obama’s repeated assertions they were backing Trump.
Obamacare will be repealed.
His climate deals probably ripped up.
His trade deals will be stopped.
And Dodd Frank will probably be ripped up as well.
Its a nightmare for him.
I actually liked most of these measures.
I guess he has the breakdown of society in Libya, Syria, Iraq and Yemen to his name and his Nobel Peace Prize for that speech in Cairo where he said he would bring peace to the Middle East.
The only thing that Obama has brought to the Middle East is more death and destruction for the Jews and their expansion for Greater Israel.
http://www.unz.com/article/war-is-realizing-the-israelizing-of-the-world/
For the neocon Zionists is what you meant to say. Don’t blame all Jews for the actions of a few
I’m sometimes dubious about Pumpkin saying so and so’s IQ is X or Y based on generalisations, but I think he got Obama right. His arguments are nuanced, flow well and his cadence and tenor are high IQ. His opinions are agreeable.
He’s right – there sometimes isn’t an optimal solution. Sometimes the process has to happen first. For example, experimenting with drug legalisation policy on the state level.
I genuinely think Obama was one of the better presidents in the last 100 years. I hope the Senate can filibuster some of Trump’s more deranged policies.
In terms of legislation and actions, Obama should be seen as a good liberal. More liberal than Clinton or Truman and as consequential as LBJ.
The Iran Deal saved millions of lives. If Obama deserves the Peace Prize, I think a good argument can be put forth for Cuba, Paris Deal with China, New Start with Russia and Iran as good solid achievements.
He should have ignored the neocons on Libya and Syria. I’m certain Hilary was behind both those failures.
Obama is an abject lesson that a President is only as good as the data and information he’s given access to. I don’t expect anyone to be a healthcare policy wonk one day, financial regulation another and foreign policy guru the third.
The trick is appointing not necessarily ‘smart’ advisers, but good hearted ones as well. A good heart overrides ‘experience’ or conventional wisdom leaching. In any given corridor of power, foreign spies, lobbyists, blackmailed goons and other detritus will be an impediment. Obama did the best anyone can reasonably have asked.
Do you think Obama is HBD aware?
Attributing every foreign policy move by the US in the ME to the lobby/Lobby is debatable conjecture. The idea that every action is keyed to some sort of plan on behalf of “Greater Israel” is not supported by all of the evidence, only by picking and choosing certain pieces.
Zion’s control is the only thing that makes sense as to why the USA is so involved in the Middle East. Although Wikileaks shows Saud is not far behind.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cw1SlvmXAAAE14j.jpg:large
Why both parties care so much about the Palestine-Israel issue, the Iran Contra Affair, the numerous coups, why the US has launched at least 4 land invasions there, the weird obsession with Syria/Iraq and of course, the massive ‘aid’ budget to Israel and the Egyptian deep state, or why George Bush has to veto his own UN resolutions to fall into line with Is-rael.
http://forward.com/news/14957/olmert-s-boast-of-shaming-rice-provokes-di-03180/
It also explains 9-11 by the way in case you were unaware.
How can you read this blog or any other HBD blog and not be somewhat aware of the cognitive abilities of ashkenazi jews?
“How can you read this blog or any other HBD blog and not be somewhat aware of the cognitive abilities of ashkenazi jews?”
I am aware that according to scholarly types who seem to know what they are talking about, the bell curve for Ashkenazi jews is right shifted.
As to the other awareness questions, I suppose that I attribute my different awareness to different reading and thinking skills.
Hbd is the last broder of the cuckland or cuckstan. Don’t search for crystalline truths here. Hbds are talking about Jewish intelligence and the best they produced or just exposed is that ”’ they ”’ are quite verbally smarter and have (comparative) unusual cognitive profiles on avg. In years of hbd activity it is the best they produced. Of course nothing semitically incorrect can be even in thoughts. There are seems well calculated criticism against ”’ them ”’, enough to pass the idea hbd is aware about Jewish question, not enough to deeply understand who or how Ashkenazi Jews and fellows are, on avg or disproportionately speaking.
Border’s and not broder.
Sadly, I predicted Trump’s win after Bernie “lost” to Hillary during the blatantly rigged Democratic primary. The mainstream media lives in a bubble of their own making, blinding the neoliberal pundits to the level of dissatisfaction festering within our population. For me personally, both Hillary and Trump were unacceptable candidates—I voted for Jill Stein and would do it all over again without a guilty conscience. Honestly, if I hadn’t had the opportunity to vote for her, I would’ve just written in Bernie’s name.
I am a woman, a lesbian, a Jew. The Democrats have failed people like me. Can the Democratic party be salvaged? I don’t know. Should it be? Again, I don’t know. Either way, I sincerely hope that this will be a wakeup call to them. The status quo had to be destroyed in some way; I only wish that it Bernie had been the one to do it rather than Trump. Trump is a despicable man, a full-blown narcissist, and it terrifies me to think of what the Republicans will do to our country. However, I can’t help but wonder if a Trump presidency will turn out to be the best outcome in the long run, as it sent an important message (“Ignore us at your own peril!”) to the Democratic establishment elite.
This is going to be an interesting next few years.
WOW! Pumpkin made a post about my comment! I like getting attention 🙂
Anyhow, I similarly thought that Trump had a decent chance of winning once Hillary became the Democratic nominee. Because it was obvious to me that the issues that Bernie and Trump overlapped on (trade deals, primarily, although they also have some agreement on immigration policy) were the ones that mattered most to the America people. But the Democratic Party was having none of that and pushed through their establishment choice, despite the fact that even most Hillary fans were dubious as to her suitability.
Dammit, now I’m feeling kinda mad that Bernie didn’t have a chance in the general election… But a Trump presidency will lead to some positive changes, assuming Republicans and Democrats at least try to work together, and Trump starts acting more presidential.
you’re a woman and a lesbian?
you and peepee should hook up.
Yea in the same way you can a drunktard and still a human being.
You can bee
Yeah, I am. One of the reasons why I frequent this blog is because it exposes me to perspectives that I rarely come across in my day-to-day life. Some of the comments are utter drivel, but that’s to be expected from an unmoderated blog highlighting controversial topics, and overall I’ve learned a lot from the people here.
i can turn you.
i can turn you.
Muugabe gonna tards forever and ever?? Hu? 😁
Boogaby search for a job before…
The term “political correctness” is a reflection of alt reicher’s inability to verbally express themselves in an intelligent manner. Trump is stupid and will probably do stupid things like increasing stress between foreign relations or furthering our national debt.”white resentment” give me a fucking break that’s a completely inaccurate propoganda that white nationalists pedal. Most nationalists are stupid too.
Im mot as salty as i thought id be about trump’s election, its not like hillary was much of a better choice. Technically the majority of people voted for clinton but the government that represents us decided trump was a better option. It isnt true democracy
Well now that election season is over, it’s time to row back on this online basement troll stuff and go back to more productive, daresay more relaxing, activities. I have a significant piece of business in the pipeline on the beach. Goodbye.
I bet a mere $1000 on trump winning a month ago. I made a profit of $4000, or $3400 after ridiculous fees on predictit – but I’ll take it. (I suppose I have to pay taxes on it too 😦 )
Congrats! You’re gutsier than I am.
i’ve lost about 2% since election day, because i bought puts on SPY and 65% of my holdings are in bonds. the puts expire on the 18th. maybe there’ll be a crash by then.
i should’ve bought puts on EWW, but i wasn’t smart enough to think of that. it’s down 16%.
but i haven’t changed my mind.
i and steve major of HSBC agree. japanification will continue apace, just with a tr-ump in the road.
japan has been doing what the market expects trump to do for 20 years, and its treasuries yield nothing, its economy hasn’t grown, its CPI is flat.
i expect the congress will approve a massive fiscal stimulus from trump, but i also expect it won’t work. it will work in the short term, but not very much.
there are other reasons for low rates:
1. the population of the whole world is aging. most of the wealth is held by old people. old people prefer bonds.
2. income inequality will get worse and the rich spend less of what they make. thus deflation and asset price inflation.
3. technology has hit a wall. there just aren’t many good things to invest in any more. even medical technology is hitting a wall.
4. except for africa the world population is shrinking.
ruhkukah for president!
ruhkukah for president!
That’s actually an excellent idea. Other blacks like Herman Cain and Ben Carson were enthusiastically received by the Republican base, eager to prove they weren’t racist, but these men lacked the verbal IQ and general knowledge to exploit the opportunity as skillfully as national merit finalist ruhkukah could. And now with political correctness crumbling with the rise of Trump, ruhkukah MIGHT even be able to speak publicly about his HBD views if he absolutely needed to (though that would be extremely politically risky).
Also ruhkukah was rejected by Ivy League schools despite having SAT scores probably higher than Obama’s, so ruhkukah’s high intelligence would not be tainted by the Ivy League elitism that disgusts so many whites in the rust belt.
So Versed in afro Americanism…..
trump’s win is NOT an example of EGI.
the Dems will keep losing to the new populist GOP as long as they emphasize social issues over economic issues.
the Dem convention was insufferable. it was just race, gender, sexuality, blah, blah, blah with the sole exception of warren and sanders.
perhaps the best effect of the trump victory will be that sanders and warren are now the leaders of the Dems.
the establishment of both parties was guillotined…without the blood.
and all this “grand narrative” regarding why trump won is so GAY!
trump BARELY won…
florida
pennsylvania
michigan
wisconsin
etc.
this is why there needs to be a constitutional convention. the US constitution is defective.
trump will not govern like he’s hillary’s siamese twin.
but this is what the voters have demanded.
an odd thing about the american system is that trump hasn’t won yet.
hard to believe, but his electors may vote for whomever the please.
that is, americans don’t vote for president. they vote for electors. it’s only after the electors have voted that the president is a “made man”.
Trump won. Liberals need to STFU.
Deal with it!
the interesting thing is if never-trumpers are electors he might lose.
it won’t happen, but it’s theoretically possible.
that would spark riots and maybe even a civil war
that’s an anti-democratic sentiment.
democracy isn’t about winning and losing.
it’s about representing the will of the governed.
anything less than proportional representation is un-democratic.
My facebook feed is dripping in salty liberal tears…
What to do! I can’t express my thoughts because I’ll be ostracized!
Fuck this world.
here’s the list of electors by state.
if the never-trumpers got in…they could do it.
this won’t happen, but it is possible.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_electors,_2016
Well if Trump annoys the ruling class too much, they will simply tell the congressmen they bought to impeach him
My speech is literally muzzled… I can’t express support for Trump in my peer group for fear of demonization…. Liberals can’t stop whining but they won’t let anyone else speak!
this election was against authoritarian multiculturalism!
This blog has been stripmined of all its jewels.. Pumpkinperson..why are you doing this? not only The Aborigine post has been removed but now also this post.. i am shocked that nobody else noticed it:
https://pumpkinperson.com/2016/08/25/what-do-mainstream-science-types-think-about-intelligence-genes/
Now that the pall of vindictive political correctness has passed over us. it your duty to restore the blog fully please… I insist
I brought it back
will you bring back the Aborigine article also please? how many articles actually suffered your purge?
What was the specific comment in the Aborigine article that set off the purge?
I started purging posts because I sent an email to a scientist and he hadn’t responded, causing me to fear my blog was so politically incorrect that no one respectable wanted anything to do with me.
But then he responded and was very kind, and I realized I had overreacted.
What do you think Gailieo thought we he was afraid his views would not be respectable enough for experts steeped in the Catholic Church’s teaching on ontology?
touché
causing me to fear my blog was so politically incorrect
Your blog posts or your comment section?
Do you want to make a distinction between the two?
IOW, you do PC posts but let your comment section run wild.
BTW, I think a distinction can be made between PC and polite discourse, and I think that is what you are aiming at.
more LIES from peepee.
she gets of on it.
#lesbianbeaddeathurts