I’ve decided to try to keep the blog as un-moderated as possible, but at the same time I’m going to start banning or moderating people who repeatedly make racist comments.
This is NOT a right-wing blog, this is a blog for people of all races, ethnicities, and religious backgrounds to share our views about the fascinating topics of intelligence, anthropology, and evolutionary biology.
That’s not to deny that there might be large genetic differences between different races and ethnic groups in traits as valued as intelligence and character, however these differences must be discussed with scholarly evidence, and in a way that makes people of all races feel welcome and valued, and with an understanding that these are only AVERAGE differences, and that brilliant and wonderful people are found in every ethnic and racial demographic.
Pumpkin Person 
How come you feel the need to impose your will and throw your weight around? Why not defeat racists with reasoning instead of using force to silence them?
If you ban anyone, ban the irrational ones who won’t admit defeat or concede logical points. Blogs, in general, could be so much better if people could at least say “I see your point, but… ” or “You could be right, but… ”
The personal attacks suck too… like “What part of [insert obvious point] do you not understand?” and other implications that someone is stupid. Attack the argument, not the person. Concede points. Be reasonable and fair.
How come you feel the need to impose your will and throw your weight around? Why not defeat racists with reasoning instead of using force to silence them?
I don’t have time to get into long arguments
If you ban anyone, ban the irrational ones who won’t admit defeat or concede logical points.
Racism is irrational and illogical, except from a genetic perspective.
Racism is irrational and illogical, except from a logical perspective.
Fixed it for ya.
Race exists, so what it’s really about is hate. We can hate people by race, sex, religion, political affiliation, astrological sign, etc, etc. Why single-out race? But if you ban hate, then you have to ban yourself, since you hate people who hate people.
Like I was saying.. don’t attack the person, attack the argument.
Racism is irrational and illogical, except from a logical perspective.
No racism is illogical because there are good people in every race, so we should judge one another as individuals, not as members of a group.
We can hate people by race, sex, religion, political affiliation, astrological sign, etc, etc. Why single-out race?
Because people are especially emotional about race
Read Rushton’s paper on ethnic nationalism PP.
See the paper Ethnic nationalism, evolutionary psychology and Genetic Similarity Theory. He has a few more of ethnic nationalism too. Great papers.
Racism is a very vague word, racism is what you want it to be. No, it’s wrong.
What your definitive definition to the racism word*
“Racism is irrational and illogical, except from a genetic perspective.”
If we posit a race war between two races that will result in the extermination of the losing race, it is rational in any sense, including genetics, to choose one’s own race as your group.
Rationality and logic should help one decide whether the situation is, in fact, a fight to the finish between two races.
People don’t listen to reason. They listen to their intuition. To change one’s mind, you need to come from where they are coming from. Moral reasoning, intuition, etc. If one wags a dog’s tail, is the dog happy?
RR, this one was pretty good: http://www.vdare.com/articles/shared-genes-the-evolution-of-ethnonationalism Thanks for the tip!
The Brits just voted “nationalism” with Brexit. The Americans just voted “nationalism” with Trump. PP, you may have to ban the greater part of the population of the countries with some the highest IQs. I suspect a few more “exits” soon as nationalism gains momentum.
This a great article. He has a few more like that. In one of them he talks about suicide bombing increasing inclusive fitness for the group. I wrote about that here
https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2016/03/27/evolutionary-reasons-for-suicide-bombings/
Why is an explanation beyond in group/out group required?
Race, religion, language, culture, etc. are simply easy ways to define one’s group.
Using ideology or political ideas are more complex; behaviors will be the same regardless of how one defines one’s group.
I like to know specific causes. Why do people get fat? Because they eat more but what’s the aetiology? Insulin. I care about ultimate causes more than proximate causes. You are right that no matter if it’s race, religion, sex, etc that the outcome is the same regardless. However there are small changes in the Ultima causes for each and they come down to evolution. This is what I’m interested in.
“However there are small changes in the Ultima causes for each and they come down to evolution.”
I don’t follow you here as to what you are getting at.
In group/ out group behavior must have been selected for because the “best” practitioners undoubted helped “their” group survive (fitter). Complex culture has molded this basic behavior almost beyond recognition. A very strong in-group preference today would be someone who accepts hyper-individualism as an identifier for the group. This will not work in the long run because groups survive, not individuals.
“This will not work in the long run because groups survive, not individuals.”
GENES survive. It’s not about group selection or individual selection. Our bodies are just vehicles for our genes to survive. And, unconsciously, we are driven by our selfish genes to replicate. That’s life at its most basic, no matter if people want to deny it or not.
My point was, there are small evolutionary differences into how these differing group behaviors came about. Of course the same things hold true for HOW they came about in general, but differences in how this occurred still matter.
You don’t really need to bold a lot of words for me.
Genes need an individual to survive, an individual needs a group to survive.
The individual is only the vehicle for the genes to survive. First and foremost, the gene replicates through its vehicle, the body. Is it contradictory to believe that genes are the selector and driver in evolution and still believe in group selection?
Do genes need an individual to survive and replicate? Yes.
Do individuals need a group to survive and replicate? Yes.
PP, you should start a forum. This blog is a very archaic way of communicating. There are lots of great minds here and they should be able to interact and make new discoveries.
RR, I want to reply to the fat-thing. I was watching some gorillas and wondered how they get so big from eating leaves. I figured it was that their gut is so huge (like a beer gut) and they ferment. I wondered if people can also grow their guts into fermentation chambers that extract more energy from food than a smaller person’s gut could. What do you think of that theory? Fat people are fat because they are more efficient at getting calories from food. So, it wouldn’t be the calories consumed, but some percent of that specific to each person. That would help explain why skinny people can’t gain and fat people can’t lose.
Regarding the race-stuff, this is all fairly new to me, but is intriguing. If there is a difference between a dog and wolf, then there is a difference in the races. I don’t know what the implications from that should be. Ok, we’re different. Does it matter? I don’t know.
“This is NOT a right-wing blog”
I get that pp. But the alt right groups us HBDers in with them. I saw a chart on their reddit board the other day. They had jayman, hbd chick and Cochran and Harpending in their ideology web in the HBD section. I get linked to on specifically alt right blogs even though I’ve never espoused my politics. (I don’t care about politics anymore. I’m more interested in science.)
(I don’t care about politics anymore. I’m more interested in science.)
I think you are fooling yourself here.
What’s the point of science if you don’t incorporate facts into your politics?
I don’t believe that individuals can influence politics. I, of course, have my own ideas on how to implement this knowledge into our politics, but I don’t let my politics drive what I read. Many people let their politics drive what they read and what they believe scientifically. I try to prevent that (though I do know that being fully impartial is impossible).
I think its possible to believe in HBD and still be liberal. For example, me.
Tis a fact. I think the grounding for group differences is overwhelming, and I am just waiting on a reasonable “vanguard” to come along so I can sign up.
Peepee is so reasonable!
PP: What’s up with your followers saying that Ashkenazim are part Italian?
Genetic studies reveal that Jews are more related to Turks and Greeks, than Italians. The same with Levantine Arabs who are more related to Greeks
than Italians.
Furthermore, Italians are smaller in frame. Jews are usually stockier, bigger, wider shouldered like Greeks and Anatolian Turks.
They are JS.
https://www.geneticliteracyproject.org/2013/10/08/ashkenazi-jewish-women-descended-mostly-from-italian-converts-new-study-asserts/
80 percent of their mtDNA is Italian.
Askhenazi cluster around Greeks, not Italians. And many Jews don’t really look Italian. Andrew Dice Clay can’t pass as a guido. Period. He could pass as a Greek.
Jews have more J2 Haplotype – West Asian, that’s Greek, that’s Anatolian, that’s Armenian, that’s Levantine.
How does NY politician Chuck Schumer look like Italian too you?
I dunno about this:
http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/most-jews-descended-ancient-turkey-new-study-2107639949
But given the fact that Askhenazis are physically more similar with the populations of the Eastern Mediterranean that those found in Italy, I believe it is correct. Ashkenazim are related to Turks, Greeks, Arabs and less so of Italians.
If you haven’t notice, Jews are physically robust like West Asians. Italians are smaller.
Jews are more Eastern Mediterranean (Greek, Turkish, Levantine) that Italian:
http://archhades.blogspot.com/2014/08/ashkenazi-jews-east-mediterranean-race.html
According to this blog, Jews are slightly more related to Greeks than Italians.
Then there’s studies that shows Jews are the most related to Northern Italians.
Well southern italians have 37 percent Greek DNA on their Y chromosome. Southern italians are basically Greeks. They did settle Magna Graecia around Southern Europe, mostly South Italy and Sardinia.
That’s right! What’s up with the Italian thing? Chuck Schumer and Andrew Dice Clay don’t look Italian. Perhaps Turkish or Greek, but not Italian.
Also, Jews are generally stocky – broad shouldered. The same applies to Greeks and Turks. I’m very observative and keen on details. Italians are not as robust.
How the hell Jews are physically robusts ?
Jews are stockier and have broader shoulders than Italians. Greeks, Turks and Levantines are also stockier than Italians.
Look at Brad Garret, the Jew actor who played the Italian brother of Ray Romano in “Everyone Loves Ray”. He’s a stocky-broad shouldered guy, and Italians generally don’t fit his type.
Look at the few Greek actors in Hollywood like Telly Savalas and his brother George Savalas. Greeks are generally stocky and broad shouldered.
Mainland Greeks are more northern-shifted on genetic plots than South Italians! Islander types plot alongside South Italians. Greeks are very European, genetically speaking.
“Greeks are very European, genetically speaking.”
So are Italians. Hell, South Italians mainly descend from Greeks.
Then why do Ashkenazi cluster around Greeks according to a few studies? Italians were more distant.
There was an Italian character on The Sopranos who looked very Jewish. The character was called “Uncle June” but Tony seemed to pronounce it as “Uncle Jew”
I’m not saying that Jews don’t look like Italians. They look more like Greeks, the Coastal Turks and Armenians. But of course, these groups in America are much smaller in numbers compared to Italians and also Jews, so people don’t make the association.
I LOVE the Sopranos. I see a ton of areas that I know very well so the show was especially cool in that aspect.
Anyone with myopic glasses like that would pass as a Jew.
“Greeks are very European, genetically speaking”
Greeks are the least European of the Europeans. The same goes for Southern Italians, but I think Greeks are more distant. Many Greeks look like West Asians. But then Ancient Turkey was Greek!
Jews are, in genetic terms, half South Italian, half West Asian.
I meant half NORTHERN ITALIAN, half West Asian.
No. They’re South Italian (mostly). There are still Jew communities in Southern Italy, like Calabria for instance.
Might be useful seeing whether the mafia are related to this. Off hand many Italian gangsters like ‘Lucky’ Luciano Moggi of Juventus fame look ashkenazi.
They plot with South Italians on PCA plots because they are half North Italian, half Levantine basically. Indeed, South Italians and Jews look very similar too!
Given genetic distance, physical similarity and ethnic genetic interests, I wonder how pro-Jewish Italians are compared to other white Americans. Giuliani was considered wildly pro-Israel, even banning Yasser Arafat from New York city, but New York city has a large Jewish population, so he may have just been pandering for votes, campagin contributions & good media coverage. Giuliani might be Trump’s next secretary of state so this will have interesting implications for the Israeli-Palestinian policy of the new administration. Trump recently stated he wants to make a peace deal, but I can’t see Giuliani being the even-handed honest broker such a deal would require.
“Joy” Behar is another Italian American who is very philosemitic, to the point everyone thinks she’s Jewish, and she never misses an opportunity to slam Mel Gibson.
On the other hand, RaceRealist is Italian and a critic of many Zionists
Gene tests show that Jews are more related to Northern Italians, which should be debunked as poor research.
Not many Jews look Southern Italian. Again, how does Chuck Shumer look Italian to any of you?
Palsgraf, do you have a source that says specifically North Italian? I don’t see anything saying if it’s a North or South hit, though we can infer it was Southerns since they migrated to Rome and mated with Roman women.
http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2013/10/did-modern-jews-originate-italy
From my reading on this, their mtDNA shows most similarity with Italians, I assume it was S. Italians because of the region they were in.
PP, I wouldn’t doubt it if Giuliani (I like to call him JEWliani) were an Italian Jew. I have a Jewish buddy who looks straight Italian. His mother also looks straight Italian as well.
Also keep in mind that a lot of these media types need to say positive things about Israel and the Jews to keep their jobs.
Trump won’t make a peace deal for Israel and Palestine, I personally think the Jews should go back to being wanderers and give the land back to Palestine but that’s just me.
Jews look like Italians because they bred with them 2kya. (Mostly Italians as a large part of the Jewish mtDNA comes mostly from Italians.)
JS, a lot of Italians have the Aquiline nose. Most of my family has it, (I don’t) and they don’t look Jewish. Other traits are involved with that.
But yea, Schumer does look like a Jew.
I have never seen a Jew who looks Dinaric. Dinaric Italians are mostly Northern and Eastern types with the pointy nose. You don’t find that many from the South.
Jews look like these guys from the OJ Simpson Defense team, if you were old enough to remember:
One of them is not a Jew, and the other is a close cousin of the Kardashian. There isn’t anything Italian about these guys. They are Asiatics.
In the distant past I remember reading Ashkenazim were of descent from a Central Asian kingdom that one day decided to become jewish.
Robert Kardashian ( I think that’s the man on the right’s name), is Armenian. Its not a stretch to imagine the ashkenazim descended from somewhere nearby. Hence the physiognomy. I also note Armenians do well in similar trades – merchantry, law, arms dealing and so on.
The Sephardics are actually the ‘real’ jews if you want. Hence their much more darker middle eastern appearance and abundance in muslim/MENA conquered territories like Span and southern Italy.
Its very important to differentiate between ash and seph because it is even well known among jews that sephardics are not as bright as ashkenazi inferring a different genetic architecture.
“In the distant past I remember reading Ashkenazim were of descent from a Central Asian kingdom that one day decided to become jewish.”
False.
https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2016/04/24/ashkenazi-jews-are-not-khazar/
Your and your inane theory that Ashkenazi ended up in Germany/Rhineland, because they were smarter, when in fact in the medieval times, this region was a backwater.
Yeah, seems like a very comprehensive rebuttal to the Caucuses theory.
Pumpkin’s theory that ashkenazi Jews are highly evolved gypsies is another avenue worth looking at. Find the origin of the Roma, and you got it.
Aesthetics don’t lie.
Or like that article, do the Nietzsche method and use linguistics and etymology. So you can see ashkenazi became or started off heavily germanic via Yiddish.
Now what caused the split in the Sephardic and Ashkenzi gene pool god only knows.
I’ve been harbouring a conspiracy theory for some time now that our history books are not very reliable. I’ve no doubt in Europe most texts, diaries and histories countering the Catholic Church’s canon have been long since burned and destroyed. There are probably whole swathes of historical events like rebellions, battles, rival factions and so on deleted.
Some deductive logic about what we know about human nature would suggest there were a great deal of sects, cults and ‘pagan’ religions that probably went on for hundreds of years after Peter went to Rome. The Trostskys were eventually erased from history in Stalinesque revisionist manoeuvres.
Likewise, the real history of Abraham’s tribe is probably only known in completeness to very few. They would most likely be deep state guys and religious leaders. Genetics will tell some of the story. Jews being very gamma, I would suspect even their ‘real history’ is very framed.
But the authors in your piece later make what I call the ‘I think, therefore it was’ mistake of historiography. I.e. They assume current civilised behaviours are what happened in the past.
Its pretty easy actually thinking marauding Germanic or precursor Ashkenazi tribes pillaged and raped leftovers of the Roman state women as the Roman empire was disintegrating more than demonstrated stud muffin abilities in a civilized order with Roman men cucking out.
If you understand psychology, the NARR function complements the COG function of data analysis.
The Jews lived among germanics because they are the most high empathy altruist.
The germanic tribes never expelled or progromed Jews like the Slavs, Berbers, Turkics, Arabs, Romans, Greeks, Eygptians and Moors did.
Even if some of those were richer, its irrelevant.
Rather stay in a house with a nice leper than a psychotic billionaire.
This also explains why the Germanic British empire had Disraeli as PM before the word racist was invented.
Or Shakespeare’s paeon to Shylock.
Germanics are nice guys.
Same with their derivative tribes in Scandinavia, Flemish Belgium and Holland.
The franks have more visigoth ancestry. And the celts are even more apart.
Unsurprisingly, the celts are the white Western tribe that tolerate Magic Negro stories the least. Notice how most public alt righties are Irish/Scots? – Bannon, Trump, Mel Gibson, the World Heavyweight boxing champ and so on.
The cold dead eyed slavs and schiz middle eastern infused Spanish/Italians are up there too.
The trade off of more amygdala function is….
Less trust, dependability and autist inclination to WORK HARD PLAY FAIR INDUSTRIALISE SPINNING JENNY STEAM ENGINES, OK?
Back to fighting round the world:
Makin movies making songs and fightin round the world!
“middle eastern infused Spanish/Italians”
False.
Medieval Germany was barbarian land. It was in the dark ages. Not one notable Jewish intellectual came from Germany during this time. Meanwhile, the Sephardic Jews in Spain and parts of the Middle East were flourishing. You had Gersonides, Ibn Ezra, Saadia Gaon and the most notable, Maimonides. It’s funny that Askhenazim want to claim them as their own, when in fact, these guys were living in dung and filth.
Arabs never expelled the Jews, with the exception in Spain, when the Almohades took over. But that’s because they didn’t convert to Islam. And the Almohades gave Europeans the concept of White Nationalism and Western Supremacy, which is quite fascinating, given the fact that these groups hate Muslims, to whom they are indebted.
Damn right. Ever hear Afrocentrists talking about “cave beasts”? They’re talking about Nords.
Not to mention how the Greeks and Romans looked at the barbarians from the north in a bad light. Muh master race!
Well clearly the Jews were kicked out of the Holy Land by the Saracens, expelled from Moorish spain and suffered numerous pogroms east of the Rhine.
I can’t say anything for sure on how they fared in dark ages Europe.There maybe was contempt and some violence. But not expulsion. They were tolerated in usury functions and merchantry due to the religious exemption of Jews from moneylending.
And besides, the modern historical evidence is overwhelming that only Germanics tolerate Jews controlling their academy, financial system, millitary, media and politicians.
As Mugabe showed, if most of the donors had Chinese names, people would be rounding up pols for treason.
Some recent scholarship seems to indicate the dark ages were not retrograde. This corresponds with the adoption of Christianity during the time. http://www.slate.com/blogs/quora/2015/01/15/medieval_history_why_are_the_middle_age_often_characterized_as_dark_or_less.html
Dude, Jews being entrenched in Mainstream Germany was a recent phenomenon. You’re jumping ahead of yourself. Again, I’m calling out your stupid-inane notion that Ashkenazim ended up in Germany, because they were smarter and the Sephardics were dumber and thus they ended up in Spain.
Jewish Elites intermarrying the Catholic Elites in Spain preceded Jewish assimilation in Germany about 400 years and about 600 years in the Muslim world Jews were diplomats and ambassadors.
The social dynamics surrounding East Asians in America are different from that of the Jews in Germany. East Asians in America are generally viewed as a non- intellectual people, nor entrepreneurial or even self-burgeoning, if you compare them to Jews. Jews are seen as an aggressive parasite who come across as productive, where as East Asians in America are viewed as a passive parasite, who come across as non-productive. And Germany under Jewish emancipation allowed Jews to take part in mainstream German society based out of guilt, because they had a legacy of persecution and violence towards them.
The dark ages in Europe and the selective pressures that happened to them, ie being barred from other occupations led to their high intelligence. Cochran has a solid explanation in the documentary “Brainwashed”.
I never said the ashkenazi purposely went to germany cos they know germanics were suckers. They in fact, went most places and by trial and error ended up mostly in Germany…hence Yiddish being germanic in root.
Likewise, I’ve said I’ve no idea why Sephardics are different to ashkenazi and why they predominate in Southern Europe.
But Germanics letting Jews run the show happened way before Hitler.
Once of the lesser known historical facts thats been memoryholed is that Jews were 3% of the Weimar Germany population but controlled 58% of the wealth in Germany according to Harvard historian Niall Ferguson’s Cash Nexus book.
You can assume likewise, they controlled a lot prior to Weimar.
And as I said, Disraelis rise and Rothschilds control of the UK show their ability to at least be tolerated by Germanics going back at least 200 years.
Now whether they are a good or bad presence in the host population, I don’t know.
Its very obvious germanics are the nice guys. Its not a crime. Far from it. It just means they get taken advantage of. Peter Frost and Jayman have expounded on this in far more detail. Have a look.
Yeah about 200 years earlier than Hitler, known as the emancipation of Jews. Ashkenazim didn’t end up in Rhineland, because it was the smart thing to do. I’m not talking about their evolution in Germany. If you compare them to the Sephardim, their legacy in that part of Europe sucked for the most part.
Comparing to Jews, East Asians have no place in the Western Tradition, simply because of their racial makeup/cognitive profile and history.