Below our my best estimates of the genetic IQs of many populations. Given the lack of precision, all estimates rounded to multiples of 5.
As one can see, there seems to be a pretty strong negative correlation correlation between IQ and skin colour. Those at the top of the totem pole are all light skinned. Those at the bottom are mostly dark skinned. This is likely because skin colour is a proxy for how far ones ancestors were able to migrate from the tropics and this likely would have selected for the cognitive ability to adapt to an environment unsuited to our African bodies.
It’s interesting that Arctic people have both lower IQs and darker skin than their ancestral climate predicts.
There also seems to be a negative correlation between antiquity and IQ. For example apes appear in the fossil record 25 million years ago and they average IQs of only 15. Ashkenazi Jews appeared only about 800 years ago and they average about 105.
Pumpkin Person 
…than their ancestral climate predicts.
this is because the arctic isn’t their ancestral environment.
the inuit have been in arctic canada for only 1,000 years.
the aleutians never get that cold.
how long have the current natives of siberia lived there?
is there a cline of skin tone in the americas like there is of body size? but the americas have only been inhabited for ca 20,000 years. are the sometimes very dark skinned central americans one sees occasionally actually part black? mexico imported more slaves than the US.
Equestrian Indian tribes on the American Plains in the late 1800s were the tallest people in the world, suggesting that they were surprisingly well-nourished given disease and their lifestyle, a new study found.
presidential assassinations and assassination attempts i can remember:
1. lincoln conspiracy but trigger man certain
2. garfield lone gunman
3. mckinley lone gunman
4. tr (bullet stopped by a cigarette holder or something)
5. jfk elaborate conspiracy theory people write books about…???
6. ford (no one got hurt. both would be assassins were women.)
7. reagan (people got hurt. in the old days reagan would’ve died. he lost a lung.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_assassination_attempts_and_plots#Assassination_attempts_and_plots
i think you will find that the elaborate conspiracy theory of the jfk assassination is totally out of character.
people just don’t want to believe that one otherwise undistinguished man (or in ford’s case two women) with a gun can change history.
interesting thing about booth is he was distinguished. he wasn’t just an actor. today it would be like if [redacted by pp, 2022-02-07].
people just don’t want to believe that one otherwise undistinguished man (or in ford’s case two women) with a gun can change history
More precisely, they don’t want to believe that a nobody could take down their God. They want to believe their God died in vain and not for some heroic reason like protecting us from an evil cabal.
They want to believe their God died NOT in vain
and notBUT for some heroic reason like protecting us from an evil cabal.Correct, I’m extremely sleep deprived.
i am the exception to the “dark person dumb person” rule!
I’d put South Asians at 95 based on polygenic scores.
Maybe. I rounded them to 90 because they score 92 in South Africa where they seem to have optimum environments and are not inflated by the selective immigration we see in America. On the other hand, they might have been slightly selected in the opposite direction since more of the dumber Indians may have become South African labourers.
Even if close to optimum they’d only need an additional 0.5 IQ points of Flynn Effect to be rounded up to 95.
math does not equal logic. in any way shape of capacity. the ability to reason however is built on logic.
i think what RR argues is partially written as a truth…..regarding the ability to modify living things by their surroundings. we have senses for a reason and that is evident enough to know that genetics is a slippery slope for predestination.
i am strongly opposed to deterministic views on reality.
you guys know the vibes.
i have come to the conclusion that the LOADED personality is a real person and peepee’s literal husband and first cousin.
there is no other explanation.
Loaded might be the dumbest commenter in the history of this comment section and thats a really impressive achievement.
lol 90 can’t be true, 95-96 is definitely the right IQ range for Indians overall with some scoring some much higher and lower as is to be expected. I don’t see how you say 90 because you admit that South African Indians scored 92 and that’s with the effects of Apartheid segregation and all the mistreatment as well as the fact that those Indians there (for the most part) were low-class low-caste labourers with some merchant exceptions.
I’m also pretty sure the Malaysian Tamil Indian guys and girls do better academically than the Malays in Singapore and Malaysia and they were labourers as well so you ought to reduce the number for the Southeast Asians as well
95-96 is more legit tbh.
Why are jews at 105? Lynn and Macdonald put it at 115. Whats going on?
Lynn puts them at 110 in U.S./U.K. and 103 in Israel, so about 107 overall which rounds to 105.
Is the Israel estimate actually ashkenazi? Maybe the orthodox jews are dragging down the ash score in Israel.
No i’ve confirmed it myself. Israeli ash score 103 to 105 & non-ash Israeli jews score 15 points lower.
No you didn’t confirm it. You said you couldn’t believe orthodox jews score so low so maybe youre wrong and they do score really low and thats whats dragging down the ashkenazi scores.
No orthodox was a separate question I was unable to answer. What I did confirm is that the average Israeli Jew has a Raven IQ around 95. We also know that on the Wechsler, Ash Jews score about 15 points higher than non-ash jews (verbally & non-verbally). So what Raven IQ must Israeli Ash jews have for them to be 32% to 44% of Israel Jews and to be 15 points higher than non-Ash Jews and for the average of all Israeli Jews to be 95? Answer: 103 to 105.
Can’t you find direct data of ashkenazi jews from Israel? Why are you relying on these guesses? I can’t believe they’ve never been tested.
They probably don’t publicize the IQ gap between Ash & non-Ash Jews because it hurts Jewish unity.
Well you said the army tests them so there must be army data.
There’s no reason to think the israeli ash score high. It’s the American ash that have power.
Hahaha for the congoids picture you used a picture of the guy I keep posting and you keep banning because he looks too black. Hahaha.
Today I was interviewed by a jew for a job in insurance regulation.
Also your estimate for apes is totally wrong. Look at Koko. She was smarter than all of Africa.
You say that Askhenazi Jews appeared about 800 years ago. Are they as genetically diverse from other races as the other groups listed here are from each other, or are they only listed as a separate group because of their high I.Q.? I assume Whites are the group from which they ‘split off’. Some of these other groups are separated by many millennia.
I wouldn’t consider Ashkenazi a race. Possibly a sub-race of the Cacausoid race, or perhaps just an ethnicity within a sub-race.
So you don’t consider the word ‘race’ coterminous with ‘population’?
No.
How would you define each word?
I would agree with webster that a population is “a group of people or animals of a particular kind that live in a place” while race is “one the groups that humans can be subdivided into based on inherited morphology, especially the largest such groups”
So a race is a human population that is large and has great genetic distance from other races?
great difference in inherited phenotype from other races
Rule of thumb I’ve heard is that a population can be described as a subspecies/race if it can be distinguished from others with 90+% accuracy. Are gingers a race? Probably not, because their parents and offspring don’t always look like them.
Gingers are only a race if you rearrange the letters
Did you think of that yourself?
Well yes, but actually no. I heard the same basic joke in a different context.
Ganzir, did you hear that joke in reference to Hollywood casting?
irony is the most important philosophical point i base my abilities on. as should you.
I think it’s worth separating Persians from the rest of the Arabs.
Yes this too, Persians have contributed way more to human civilization than any Arab group lol
i hate quant so much. math is such a nuisance to ordinary people it shouldnt even be taught.
math-heavy focuses are never good for anyone. why would anyone waste their time with numbers anyways is my logic!
also mexicans and latinos might actually be the dumbest race. there is no way i would consider an illegal immigrant from mexico or some other shithole in latin america to not be a stupid psychopath! theyre just so stupid and ignorant they cant be bothered to make any use of their lives!
PP Can you do an article about eye color and IQ? If it valid of course…
yes a lot of my comments are offensive. other than that i dont think you can hate a guy like me. i am a decent human being who treats others with respect.
my benevolence is a grace of the higher workings. this is where i have reached peak wisdom in my life.
…who treats others with respect….
except mexicans, wypipo, indians, ne asians…
by “others” i mean “my fellow pakistanis”.
Shouldn’t Neanderthals be considered a subspecies of human because they could produce fertile offspring with Homo sapiens? I often see them referred to as their own species for some reason.
If we apply that standard, then a lot of different animals that are considered different species would no longer qualify. So perhaps not being able to produce fertile offspring should define one as a different genus, not species.
Also, some argue the Sapien-neanderthal offspring were only fertile if you had the right sex combination.
Liberals: “race isn’t real”
Also liberals: “we have to teach our kids why the white race is a scourge on humanity”
i believe that wholly and im not a liberal.
So you don’t believe in race? Idiot.
Pill, You seem to have become abusive lately. You weren’t like this before. What happened?
Loaded annoys me.
“Race is a social construct; now let’s socially construct it to teach white people that they are bad.”
I’ve thought that social construct is a way by which humans understand the world around them. So when someone used ‘x is a social construct’ argument to try and say that x isn’t real, I thought that they were misusing ‘social construct’.
“east asians” should be “far northeast asians.”
east asians could mean anyone from iran to new guinea.
AND south chinese are mixed with SE asians.
you mean the koreans, japanese, manchus, and northern chinese.
South Chinese aren’t mixed with SE asians.
peepee speaks of how people idolize some political leaders and talk show hosts.
there are theories of history:
1. the great man (or woman) theory of history.
2. the marxist/economic/technological theory of history.
3. the great ideas theory of history, like democracy.
4. i forget.
in the future there are actually some figures who correspond to 1…who will be seen to correspond to 1.
like jesus and muhammad and adolf hitler and joan of arc etc…
trump has good instincts and he had the chance to become a “world historical figure”, but he was just too stupid to take it or even know he had it.
4. the theory that history is the history of peoples rather than individual people, ideas, or technology.
the mongol destruction of the abbasid caliphate for example.
all of these theories of history have facts in their favor and facts against them.
none has seen the elephant.
but what we have today is theory 3 dominates the world and all other theories are condemned as heresy.
#4 is what might be called the theory everyone used to have before 500 years ago or
the nazi theory of history.
northern italian 150
southern italian 0
average 100
i see further than LOADED who has fallen by the wayside, fallen down in prayer to l. ron hubbard.
christianity will keep declining in europe and islam will keep growing.
the future of europe is not secularism.
it’s islam.
christianity has proved to be a gay religion.
northern italian > jew/ne asian
E.g.
https://www.cbsnews.com/video/a-town-in-tuscany-without-cell-phones/
Why is there a Winter Olympics? Its such a dumb concept.
Puppy: Race is a social construct.
Also Puppy: I have a blog dedicated to profiling the IQs of different races.
It’s both a biological construct and a social one. Biologically a black is anyone with a plurality of sub-Saharan ancestry. Socially, in America, a black has been anyone with ANY visible sub-Saharan ancestry.
Plurality doesn’t make much sense as a definition, a plurality could just be 20% or whatever.
Whoever they replace Jeff Zucker with will be a good indication of which way America’s rulers are going in terms of policy. My guess is they will go even more extreme and appoint a Tim Wise type jew and CNN will date all historical events to when the first black slave was born in Africa.
no one watches cnn anymore. it has no influence.
Puppy: Black people are oppressed and deserve more awards/money/fame/praise.
Also Puppy: Lets destroy black peoples wages by letting in everyone in the world to the country.
I would limit immigration to people above 140 IQ (and their immediate families), unless they’re trained in a field that is urgently needed (e.g. nurses and doctors during a pandemic).
If immigration is limited to people above 140, countries will miss out on gems like you.
You have to set it very high because immigrants bring their relatives who regress to the mean, and some immigrants come from countries with very low means.
So youre saying if two 140IQ people came and had kids, those kids would regress to 100 or whatever? So basically youre saying IQ is not hereditary?
The lower the population mean, the more precipitous the regression unfortunately. The expected height of a child born to 2 Dutchmen is higher than the expected height of a child born to 2 Laotians, even if the couples’ heights are the same.
Is there a country that doesn’t accept immigrants? I would move there.
https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2022/feb/08/nude-fotografiska-women-photographers-explore-nudity-female-gaze
This is the type of photography Mugabe is into. Hahaha.
Whats RR’s education Puppy? He should think about going to college. I think Harvard would genuinely consider giving RR a PhD. The jews there would be delighted with his thinking. The only problem with RR is that he’s not black but maybe RR could write an article where he says he will go to college as a black man’s slave or something.
He attended a very bad high school so never had the foundation for college. Nonetheless he got in somewhere as a mature student but he no longer talks about it so maybe flunked out.
Were you ever bullied in school Puppy? Are you still bullied?
A couple times but I could always make the bully laugh and they would become my protector. As an adult I was never bullied because I’ve either been a position of authority or worked for a companies that had zero tolerance for such behavior.
I was never bullied but only because I was friends with some jocks. I was a nerd in school.
i bullied and was bullied. but the people i bullied deserved it. like the fat kid. and the kid with a girl’s name.
the time i remember being bullied was because i was advanced a grade in math and the upperclassmen bullied me. i was the only sophomore in the class.
i was big so bullies feared me.
I can’t believe it’s been more than 3 years since I started following this forum lol. So much time has passed and it’s absolutely insane to think about
100 is more reasonable for the East Asians. Japanese scores should be higher but China should have lower scores
China would have lower scores if you actually tested everyone there but only because of stunting and malnutrition.
I’ve read that peasents from Vietnam with proper nutrition score higher than whites.
I’d say Japanese should score higher simply based on the fact that they bitched China many times during their history while China could do nothing. I’d still say that China is still 97-98, India is 95 full potential but currently much much lower.
I don’t know about the Vietnam stuff, got any studies you wanna post? Sounds intriguing
About Ha psychometri :
“According to the data, scores of 680 and above were achieved by just 9.2% of all those sitting for the test in 2011, with around 7% scoring between 640 and 679. The average score in 2012 was 531. Hebrew speakers averaged 565 while Arab speakers scored more than 100 points less – 462 – despite boasting slightly higher average matriculation (bagrut) results – 89.2 – than their Jewish counterparts – 87. “
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It means there are 15 IQ points difference between Jews (from all sorts) and Arabs. That’s known. The rest is hypothesis.
If the average is 85 for Arabs, you would have 100 for Jews, and with an alledged other 15 IQ points difference among ash and sef/mizra with 1/3 to 1/2 ash, would mean 95-110 to 92.5-107.5.
In worst case for Israeli ash, put down Arabs to 83, you still have a 105 average guesstimate.
All that if you retain an hypothesis that the proportion of Jews taking the test is not lower than Arabs. Thus probably you could relatively inflate the relative to Arabs Jewish score as more of them take the test.
My guess is that if you put Arabs at 86, seph are at 96 and ash at 106 with an 10 points scale among the 3 ethnic groups there … That would explain why Israeli ash don’t have any complex compared to diaspora ash .
But it’s known that the average of all Israeli Jews is about 95 on the Raven.
Pumpkin i think if you took the Ravens youd score a 70.
Considering there are only 60 questions, that’s quite a complement! Thanks Loaded! 🙂
if the genetic component is merely additive then there is no regression except to the genetic true score of the parents. with independent assortment the chirren are just as likely to get a true score above as below the average of their parents.
regression to a genetic true score below the avg of the parents’ genetic true score requires GxG effects.
conclusion: regression is mostly because of the E component.
Haha you should have used anime’s picture for the picture of whites in your post.
I’m only 90% caucasoid.
This is meaningless propaganda.
First it has no data source. I am African and we don’t run IQ tests in Africa. In Africa we measure mental capabilities by national examinations.
So anyone who is talking of IQ scores of African is pulling the data from their asses. Testing a few people and generalizing is the same as pulling data from your ass. The national examinations cover everyone who is in school, and they are run every year so that no one is left behind.
Secondly IQ is not a measure of intelligence. IQ is a childish test with very basic question. I read it was designed to kind of sort out kids before they entered the school system. That probably shows its childish nature.
The questions used in IQ tests are not the kind of questions that can be claimed to measure a person’s intelligence.
Give me a case question anytime if you want to measure my intelligence. Not a question about guessing what comes next.
Intelligence is about solving real life problems. Real life problems do not always have seemingly logical solutions, or just one solution.
Africans do even worse in school exams than they do on IQ tests
I remember you writing that IQ and creativity were one to one. How do you explain black Americans’ obvious overrepresentation in creativity? Jazz, rock ‘n roll, Blues, Ragtime, R&B, Hiphop; fast thinking in a social setting and general wit?
I was the first to say many years ago that they were overrepresented in creative fields because they’re perhaps more likely to have schizophrenic traits, and liking black music was a way for whites to virtue signal compassion & rebelliousness. In recent decades, black art has likely also been promoted by Jewish media execs.