Trump recently did an interview where he claimed that ten years ago Israel owned congress, “and rightfully so”. It’s actually kind of rare for Americans to realize how much influence Israel had over U.S. foreign policy so that alone implies a social understanding in the top 10%.
But then anyone with the social understanding to realize it, usually has the social understanding to keep silent about it, but then Trump can get away with saying things other politicians can’t and rather than condemning Trump for his comments as they would with most people, the media is shrewdly ignoring them, because calling out Trump would backfire by causing his base to rally around him.
However in psychometric testing there’s a thing called spoiling an answer, where a response that would normally get partial credit on the Wechsler, suddenly gets downgraded to zero when the subject elaborates.
For example when asked “what is ice cream?” the subject might get 1 point for saying “you put it in the freezer.” But when the examiner asks for elaboration, to help the subject get up to 2 points, he says “you know, to keep it warm!”. The elaboration has spoiled the answer and reduced him to zero.
This is kind of what happened to Trump. He was smart enough to know that a foreign country had enormous influence over U.S. foreign policy (something Chomsky expects even his fans to be too dumb to know), but rather than getting the full 2 points by understanding why this is problematic, he reduced his score on this item to 0 by saying “rightfully so”.
Or maybe Trump only added “rightfully so” to inoculate himself against charges of anti-Semitism or to pander to his Zionist base, but I don’t think so. I think Trump genuinely worships Israel, which would make sense if he were Jewish or if Jews were being persecuted, but being an unwitting Uncle Tom to a more powerful people (even one as impressive as the Jews) raises questions about Trump’s intelligence.
The Philosopher said:
LOL I think his support and his success has actually made him a bit arrogant to the point he can openly say this stuff.
He’s obviously saying this to get the jews to put more pressure on the left wing of the dem party and line up more donations to the republican party.
rumsfeld and cheney and w...not jews. said:
yes. pill is right and peepee, saga genesis, and crystal ball all have autism.
when he says “owned congress” and then laments it’s now only 95% owned, he’s just using the usual trump superlatives like “tremendous”. he’s really just shilling for israel.
and israel’s affect on the US is irrelevant in terms of foreign aid. it’s a miniscule amount of the federal budget. and the aid is spent on military equipment made by american cos. so it’s double corruption.
the real problem with israel’s influence on congress and state legislatures is…
1. the US shits on the palestinians.
2. the US props up shitty governments in the middle east to keep israel safe.
3. the US sanctions on iran.
4. various anti–BDS laws…which are unconstitutional, but won’t be challenged unless by jewish lawyers.
AND the yuge cost, but also motivated by politics and the military industry…
5. the wars in iraq and afghanistan.
so i can only respect an anti-israel gentile IF he is ALSO anti-semitic.
he’s really just shilling for israel.
But unlike most politicians, he’s shilling for it sincerely. He honestly doesn’t get why it’s not in America’s interest to be owned by Israel. His logic is “they look white and they hate Muslims so they must be on our team”. Classic false consciousness. He doesn’t get that Israel uses the U.S. to do their dirty work & the U.S. pays the cost in blood, treasure & political capital. He might be a social genius when it comes to conning people, but not at this more sophisticated g loaded social reasoning.
The Philosopher said:
Anyways Trump is factually wrong. The jews still own congress. Now its more like 95% own congress than 100% during the uniparty years.
"...and rightfully so..." i've lost all respect for saga genesis and crystal ball. said:
he didn’t say “jews” pill. he said “israel”.
israel’s and its advocates’ influence on the US is pretty meaningless EXCEPT for the WARS. recall in 2016 trump said the wars were LIES..,right in front of jeb!
the jews’ influence is a-whole-nother story.
if trump had said “jews”, THEN that would have been something!
in terms of individual campaign donations the US is under “minority rule”. but there are corporate donors and lobbyists too.
recall in 2016 trump said the wars were LIES..,right in front of jeb!
Yes, Trump almost single-handedly turned the Republicans against the neocon wars which was incredibly impressive though a little late.
But he’s not smart enough to connect the dots between the war he hates and Israel, which he loves. He blames the military industrial complex or some other corporate interests, despite knowing congress was owned by Israel.
i’ve lost all respect for saga genesis and crystal ball
Lost respect for Saga when he said “that is really anti-semetic to say they OWN congress”. What an ass covering weasel.
But Krystal was cool as usual.
JimBob McGee said:
Well, in his speech to AIPAC he more or less said they want to control him, so I don’t think he genuinely likes Israel.
I think he said it because he’s so egotistical he didn’t want people thinking he wasn’t really running the show as President, since so many say his son-in-law Jared had outsized influence on his administration.
Teffec P. said:
Smh, PP. First you accuse Him of not knowing the colors of the U.S. flag, and now the guy who ran on restoring power to white gentiles secretly worships Jews. “Rightfully so” was obviously mitigation, not a flub in reasoning, and He is clearly multiple SDs above average as far as social acumen and understanding who runs this mother. Upper-middle class folk like you and your neighbors rarely understand what social ability is. There’s almost a negative correlation between class and this ability, but Trump was able to excel in various social domains because He had a certain exposure to ordinary people and responsibilities that most silver spoon ‘elites’ lack.
“Rightfully so” was obviously mitigation,
Was it also obviously mitigation when he accused Ilhan Omar and AOC of being anti-Semitic simply because they made congress a tiny bit less pro-Israel?
Was it obviously mitigation when he bashed Obama as the worst thing that ever happened to Israel and then ripped up the Iran nuclear deal?
Is it obviously mitigation that he’s leaving half his fortune to Jewish grandkids?
the guy who ran on restoring power to white gentiles
Ran on restoring power to whites, the gentile part is just wishful thinking on the part of alt-righters. In reality Trump naively sees Israel as white America’s best friend, protecting them from the Islamic World.
Teffec P. said:
It’s called lying for political advantage, PP. Rethuglicans are pro-Israel cuz they hate Palestinians even more than Jews.
I forgot His kids married Jews. What a cuck.
Rethuglicans are pro-Israel cuz they hate Palestinians even more than Jews.
and you deny Trump’s one of those Republicans? His zionism is just an act? If so it’s a really consistent act.
he is a brilliant conman though because he’s managed to convince both pro-Israel & anti-israel people that he’s one of them. He keeps his comments vapid enough that both sides can feel supported.
The Philosopher said:
Wonder what Malala the nobel prize winner ends up doing now shes graduated from Oxford. Wouldn’t it be funny if she got a regular 9-5 job. My guess is she gets paid like Gorbachev to be a public speaker.
The Philosopher said:
Funny how people remember the 80s and 90s being great but that was when the neoliberal consensus was strongest in government. Bill Clinton has the legislative record of a Republican.
"behavior can be judged as socially intelligent or stupid irrespective of the person or his situation." --- peepee-tard. said:
soggy jeans and crystal ball are autistic psychopaths.
1. what trump said was NOT antisemitic. it was true.
2. trump isn’t like you two idiots. he was born rich. like really rich. what is he gonna lose? is mossad gonna whack him? IDIOTS!
“behavior can be judged as socially intelligent or stupid irrespective of the person or his situation.” — peepee-tard
Crystal might have born rich too.
But let’s say you’re right. Trump was already rich so he can afford to say what he believes. That means he truly believes it when he complains about Ilhan Omar and AOC making congress less pro-Israel which makes him an unwitting cuck Uncle Gentile.
why women make horrible lawyers. said:
totally NOT my point peepee.
i can tell you don’t have a Y chromosome.
he might not believe any of it…or all of it. it doesn’t matter.
the point is, they’re shocked because ULTIMATELY they fear the consequences of saying such things themselves. they have been CONDITIONED. and autistically they assume everyone is like them…they equate the way the world is for them as it is for everyone, as it IS (full stop)…they are unaware of the difference between subjective and objective reality.
however rich, not as rich as trump. saga genesis was a lot better off than most americans even though an immigrant. his parents were MDs iirc.
name redacted by pp, 2021-11-09 said:
“is this 9 dimensional chess?” — soggy jeans
in 600 years they still haven't integrated into european society. whose fault is that? said:
tonight tucker used the phrase “gypsy conman”. i’m so proud of him.
it’s one thing to beg. it’s another to show contempt for the people you’re asking for money.
Israel is a powerful country that undoubtedly regards its subordinates, the American taxpayer-cattle, with disdain. I suspect Trump relates more closely to Israel’s elite lobby than he does to the mildly inbred truck drivers from Arkansas comprising his die-hard supporters. In this regard, perhaps Trump’s genetic interests are working by proxy. He isn’t a Jew but perhaps he instinctively recognizes something in the genetic matrices of the Israel lobby he identifies with. I can’t begin to imagine Trump relating to the benighted rabble who stormed the capitol in his honor.
Israel is also extremely hawkish. Pose a threat to them and they will assassinate you or bomb your entire village. Trump hates weakness and is the archetypal chickenhawk. He dodged the draft–which I believe evinces a canny intelligence–but wants to be a tough guy who instills fear into America’s enemies, e.g. Iran. He probably admires Israel for killing one of Iran’s top nuclear scientists with complete impunity. Trump has always reminded me of a lyric by Guy Forysth:
That song was released in 2005, by the way. Forsyth deserves credit for prophesying the rise of Trump a decade ahead of his rise to power.
He isn’t a Jew but perhaps he instinctively recognizes something in the genetic matrices of the Israel lobby he identifies with. I can’t begin to imagine Trump relating to the benighted rabble who stormed the capitol in his honor.
Trump probably wants to believe he has more in common with the Zionist elite than with the unwashed masses that stormed the capital but I’m sure that behind closed doors the Zionist elite see him as a joke & an incredibly useful idiot:
“you mean he’s moving the embassy for us & ripping up the Iran deal? HAHAHA! And we didn’t even have to do anything in return? HAHAHA! And he’s leaving half his fortune to Jewish grandkids! HAHAHA! And he’s convinced all his followers to blame everything on Iran and the Muslim Obama & Ihan Omar! HAHAHAHA!”
As a Marxist, I’d say Trump is suffering from false consciousness.
For the non-Marxists like Pill:
Friedrich Engels (1820–1895) used the term “false consciousness” in an 1893 letter to Franz Mehring to address the scenario where a subordinate class willfully embodies the ideology of the ruling class. Engels dubs this consciousness “false” because the class is asserting itself towards goals that do not benefit it.
Teffec P. said:
You’re a caricature, PP! Elitist, money-worshipping upper-middle classer who wears Che Guevara t-shirts to feel sophisticated. Marxism supported by anyone who is not a central party member is false consciousness.
Maybe more generally false conscious is trying to be a part of any group that you cannot properly associate with- as in anyone aside from family and close friends. Ultimately broad associations make you vulnerable in the blob of directionless large human masses.
it takes at least 5 generations to make a gentleman. said:
if trump knew nothing would be made of this, it demonstrates his social genius.
the point isn’t that trump is rich. it’s that he was born REALLY rich. he has never had to CONFORM. this doesn’t mean he won’t lie for political reasons. he’s not rich enough to buy the presidency for himself. no one is.
as chomsky has said there is a selection for OBEDIENCE. this is why the fake elite peepee worships are psychopaths and autists as chomsky has said. the vast majority of the true aristocracy are de-selected along the way.
in nazi germany mugabe would’ve been an “anti-nazi”. in anti-nazi america, mugabe is a “nazi”.
the TRUE aristocracy:
Dumbass, Trump is the most obedient of all. Moves the U.S. embassy because Bibi tells him to. Rips up the Iran nuclear deal because Bibi tells him to. Gets nothing in return from Israel. Middle east civilian deaths skyrocket under Trump:
But he has ridiculous hair & says politically incorrect stuff on twitter. What a rebel!
You realize real Nazis would have HATED Trump. They would have regarded him as genetically inferior and unbelievably stupid. LOL! The one thing the Nazis and the Jews could agree on.
ant colonies suck ass, like kal penn. said:
the reasons for wokeness among the rich and powerful, the people peepee calls “elite” are:
2. the “elite” in the US and so many other places has been selected/vetted by formal education…which is evil by its very nature.
3. as unz the autistic mossad agent has pointed out: mass media is actually/perhaps surprisingly NOT seen as professional wrestling by all or even most of the rich and powerful, and therefore they are influenced by it just like “poor white trash” are influenced by it.
one thing about the media from an “IQ uber alles” perspective is…media people do actually tend to be the best talkers. even if what they say is retarded bs.
so if you have an ACTUALLY smart person on mass media…
most people will think he’s an idiot or crazy.
*will post later.
how many otherwise high IQ people treat mass media AS IF it were a WINDOW on the world rather than a VITRINE? said:
and YES peepee!
i am aware that MASS MEDIA is controlled by a certain subset of the “elite”.
i am aware that it is NOT a natural phenomenon.
Third option: he is secretly jaded and thinks might/power makes right.