Maybe the long-term trend across the universe is towards orthogenesis, towards greater intelligence, towards technological singularity. Just like the long-term trend for matter and energy is the formation of stars and planets, galaxies and superclusters__Ganzir, 2021
Because all living things evolved to adapt to their environments, many people deny that evolution is progressive. For example, Harvard biologist Stephen Jay Gould wrote “evolution forms a conspicuously branching bush, not a unilinear progressive sequence…earth worms and crabs are not our ancestors; they are not even ‘lower’ or less complicated than humans in any meaningful sense.”
In his book A Mirror to Nature, Science journalist Peter Knudtson writes “evolutionary theory…sees every living population of organisms on the planet as a proved evolutionary success that has by its very survival shown itself itself to be exquisitely adapted to its environment.”
He quotes anthropologist Emoke J.E. Szathmary as stating “As for superiority or inferiority–any geneticist finds this notion amusing. Each is dependent on the environmental context within which the ‘superior’ or ‘inferior’ trait (not population) evolved. Change the environment, and one may change the labelling attributed to the trait.”
Many scholars might beg to differ:
- E.O. Wilson (1975) divided life’s history into four major stages: (1) the emergence of life itself in the form of primitive prokaryotes with no nucleus. (2) the emergence of eukaryotes with nucleus and mitochondria (3) the evolution of large multicellular organisms that have complex organs like eyes and brains (4) the emergence of the human mind.
- In 1980 Arthur Jensen stated “the higher the animal ranks in the phyletic scale, the more seriously do lesions in the cortex of the brain affect its objectively measurable behavioral capacity”.
- Princeton biology professor John Bonner (1980) noted that there’s been an evolution from primitive bacteria billions of years ago to complex life forms today, and the newer animals have bigger brains than older animals and that it’s perfectly natural to say that older life forms are lower than newer life forms, because their fossils are literally found in lower strata. Even plants can be ranked he argued; angiosperm > slime molds.
- Paleontologist Dale Russel (1983, 1989) noted that the mean encephalization of mammals had tripled in the last 65 million years and that the mean encephalization of dinosaurs steadily increased for over 140 million years. Extrapolating from the latter trend, Russel argued that had dinosaurs not gone extinct 65 million years ago, they would have eventually evolved into big-brained bipeds.
- J. Phillipe Rushton (1989) argued that among modern humans, there was a Mongoloid > Caucasoid > Negroid hierarchy because Mongoloids split off from Caucasoids long after Caucasoids split off from Africans long after our species evolved in Africa.
- J. Baker et al (2015) found “an overwhelming tendency for rapid morphological change to lead to larger body size in 10 of the 11 largest mammal orders, suggesting that mammals have consistently evolved toward larger size, most likely as a response to selection pressure”
- And last but not least, pumpkin person (2017) found a positive correlations between the number of splits on the evolutionary tree a taxon was descended from, and the brain size/encephalization of said taxon.

However Gould was having none of it. In his 1996 book Full House, Gould argued that life becomes more complex over time, not because complexity is superior and thus favoured by nature, but because there’s a lower limit on how non-complex life can be, so it has nowhere to go but up. In a clever analogy, Gould compared evolution to a drunkard stumbling home from a bar. Even though each step she takes is in a random direction, she can’t get any closer to the bar because there’s a brick wall, so over time she will move further and further from the bar, not because she’s trying to get away from it, but because that’s the only direction in which her random steps can slowly accumulate over time.
Analogously, evolution started as single celled organisms and thus had nowhere to go but up in complexity. So it’s not that complexity was evolutionary favoured, but rather it was all evolution had to work with.
This explanation might explain why it look nearly 3 billion years to go from singled-cell organisms to multi-cellular life, but it can not explain why it took only half a billion years to go from multi-cell life to the most complex known object in the universe: the human brain. That’s like Gould’s drunkard taking 3 hours to stumble ten feet from the bar, and then and only an extra half hour to get from the bar to Neptune.
And how does Gould’s metaphor explain why an organ as precise as the eye “has evolved independently more than 50 times in species such as flies, flatworms, molluscs and vertebrates.”. If drunk women stumbling away from bars just happened to stumble into a location as precise as your bed on 50 different occasions, would any jury believe they all just randomly stumbled there? No they’d think you drove them there, so we should think natural selection is somehow driving the evolution of an eye because it’s a superior trait to have on pretty much any planet near a star bright enough to provide light. And once you have an eye you have sensory input, and once you have sensory input, and once you have input you need intelligence because in the succinct words of a friend’s brilliant mother, intelligence is the ability to “synthesize information usefully”.
Another example of a progressive evolutionary trend is increasing body size among mammals. Now the obvious reason why mammals would get bigger over evoultionary time is all else being equal, bigger is better. Duh. But Gould would have us believe it’s because there’s a lower limit on body size, thus there’s no where to go but up. Fortunately, Baker et al explicitly tested this theory and debunked it:
We use our PAD comparisons to test for the presence of a lower bound by drawing on ideas developed in the paleontological literature (12, 21, 23, 24) while explicitly accounting for shared ancestry. If some lower boundary on size is enforced, we expect most ancestor-descendant size changes to be positive when the ancestral size is near to that limit; it is only possible to get larger. However, as the ancestral state moves away from that limit, we predict that the distribution of body size change will become increasingly centered about 0 (i.e., size decreases are equally likely as size increases) (24). Taken over all branches of the phylogeny, this pattern predicts a negative relationship between a branch’s ancestral size and the average body size change observed along that branch (12, 21). When ancestral size is small, changes will tend to be positive, but when ancestral size is large, size can change in either direction.
We do not find the predicted negative relationship (Fig. 3D and SI Text). Instead, we find that size change actually slightly increases in magnitude when ancestral size is larger (β = 0.020, P < 0.001; Fig. 3D). This pattern is also found in the paleontological data using FAD comparisons (12). To retain the idea that some physiological lower limit could produce these PAD changes and results from paleontological data (12), proponents would have to invoke a new physiological lower limit for each new species that comes into existence. Why or according to what processes these mysterious and dynamically shifting constraints arise imposes a steep hill for this explanation to climb.
“Paleontologist Dale Russel (1983, 1989) noted that the mean encephalization of mammals had tripled in the last 65 million years and that the mean encephalization of dinosaurs steadily increased for over 140 million years. Extrapolating from the latter trend, Russel argued that had dinosaurs not gone extinct 65 million years ago, they would have eventually evolved into big-brained bipeds.”
This was literally an episode of Star Trek: Voyager lol
Yes, that was a good one.
Never took you for a Trekkie pepe but in retrospect I’m not surprised
Too bad for Russell:
I would argue, as does Feduccia (44), that the mammalian/avian levels of activity claimed by Bakker for dinosaurs should be correlated with a great increase in motor and sensory control and this should be reflected in increased brain size. Such an increase is not indicated by most dinosaur endocasts.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/2096736?seq=1#metadata_info_tab_contents
“…the range of behaviors that existed in dinosaurs, as inferred from trackways and skeletal morphology, may not have lain much outside the observed range in ectothermic crocodilians.” (Hopson, 1977: 444)
I liked your article about marching up the evolutionary tree, but the analysis needs to be redone with a more comprehensive dataset. I don’t mean to accuse you of intellectual dishonesty, but from a skeptical perspective, it could be suggested that you cherry-picked which taxa to include in order to boost the correlation between encephalization quotient and number of previous splits. In particular, the choice of worms/birds/fish/mammals strikes me as arbitrary, so the article doesn’t firmly demonstrate any relationships outside a subset of the order Primates.
Of course, you acknowledged those limitations yourself, and I have almost no doubt that a more thorough analysis would reach the same conclusion, even if the numbers differed slightly. But here’s the problem. To properly perform such an analysis would require a huge amount of time, effort, and expertise, which is infeasible for any project outside of mainstream academia to acquire, and most mainstream academics would want nothing to do with this. Ah, the curse of deviant subculture.
You’re assuming that PP has the relevant expertise, though. He’s reading the trees wrong, which has been pointed out to him numerous times.
I’ve been pointing this out to PP for literally YEARS yet he still repeats the same confused nonsense:
Click to access ref5-2.pdf
https://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1104&=&context=bioscifacpub&=&sei-redir=1&referer=https%253A%252F%252Fscholar.google.com%252Fscholar%253Fhl%253Den%2526as_sdt%253D0%25252C23%2526q%253DBaum%252Bet%252Bal.%252Btree%252Bthinking%2526btnG%253D#search=%22Baum%20et%20al.%20tree%20thinking%22
Click to access TreeThinking.pdf
RR, your link states:
For example, in Figure 1e–g, two sister
groups undergo the same number of speciation events
following divergence from their common ancestor. The
major difference between the groups is that one group
radiates later (seven speciation events after t1) than does the
second group (five speciation events before t1) (Figure 1e). If
a phylogeny is constructed showing relationships among
taxa extant at t1, the species-poor group (one species) could
be misinterpreted as being ‘basal’ relative to the species-rich
group (five species) (Figure 1f). However, at t2, this
misinterpretation would be reversed, with the species-poor
group (two species; previously the species-rich group)
appearing ‘basal’ relative to the species-rich group
(six species; previously the species-poor group) (Figure 1g).
This reversal is paradoxical only in terms of a false
assumption that one extant sister is older than the other
If species A splits into species B & C, and if species B splits into species D and E before species C splits into F and G, then D & E are more derived than C because D & E are two speciation events removed from the common ancestor of D, E & C, while species C is only one speciation event removed.
The fact that you and your cited authors don’t grasp this indicates a serious conceptual limitation.
Your source states:
If both lineages survive to the present, they are the same age
and all extant species in both are equally removed in
evolutionary time from their nearest common ancestor
Removed in time != removed in evolutionary change. This is where people get confused. They assume time itself is the measure of evolution, not understanding that some lineages evolve faster than others.
(1) You just repeated your same nonsense that you did to Bird. Nothing you said means anything to the explanation/interpretation by Crisp and Cook. Evolutionary change isn’t caused by splits in populations (branches in these trees). You’re, again, reading the trees wrongly.
(2) Removed in EVOLUTIONARY time. If they are not extinct, then they are still evolving.
Your confusion on tree reading would be great to show college students.
Splits in populations don’t cause evolutionary change but they correlate with it because a sub-population typically migrated into a new environment stimulating rapid speciation. Non-splitting populations are still evolving but prior to speciation, change is slow. See punctuated equilibrium
Telling me to “See punctuated equilibrium”—hilarious.
“Your confusion on tree reading would be great to show college students.”
Fun fact, my little brother is in college studying entomology and evolutionary biology so I showed him this post and he about died laughing at it’s ridiculousness.
Pumpkin could never prove that evolution is “progressive” because evolution will never have a specific point that it attempts to progress to. And if his only point is that splits correlate to morphological change then he isn’t saying much and it makes his narcissistic delusions that much more pathetic
Have you read this?:
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/ece3.6892
Fun fact, my little brother is in college studying entomology and evolutionary biology so I showed him this post and he about died laughing at it’s ridiculousness.
That’s fine
Pumpkin could never prove that evolution is “progressive” because evolution will never have a specific point that it attempts to progress to.
In order for evolution to be progressive, it need only have a direction it’s selected towards. Only intelligent designers believe it is attempting to do anything.
And if his only point is that splits correlate to morphological change then he isn’t saying much
I’m saying (1) splits predict morphological change (2) the morphology tends to change in one direction, and (3) that direction is driven by natural selection. But I’m glad you found the first point so obvious. If only we can convince, RR.
“In order for evolution to be progressive, it need only have a direction it’s selected towards.”
No. That’s not what anyone means by “progressive”
“(2) the morphology tends to change in one direction”
Which is of course false, which you’d know if you had any clue on the topic that you’re discussing. And if it was true it still wouldn’t prove that evolution is progressive.
You’re using the term so loosely that it doesn’t actually mean anything when you say it.
No. That’s not what anyone means by “progressive”
If nature tends to continuously select organisms in a particular direction, is there not something superior about that direction? Is improvement not progress?
“(2) the morphology tends to change in one direction”
Which is of course false,
Hear that everyone? Melo says it’s false. A 160-year debate has been settled. The great Melo has spoken.🤣🤣🤣
“If nature tends to continuously select organisms in a particular direction”
It doesn’t.
“Is improvement not progress?”
“Improvement” of a phenotype is context dependent. There is no universally adaptive trait. Not even intelligence.
“A 160-year debate has been settled.”
Lol, you’re so ignorant about this topic that you think there is a 160-year debate.
“Improvement” of a phenotype is context dependent.
And that context is the known environments were life lives.
There is no universally adaptive trait. Not even intelligence.
Doesn’t have to be universally adaptive, just generally adaptive. If six times out of 10, a given trait is adaptive, then the long-term trend will be towards it, even if it occasionally moves away from it.
Lol, you’re so ignorant about this topic that you think there is a 160-year debate.
You’re so ignorant you don’t even realize it’s a huge debate:
That the history of life on Earth manifests some sort of progress has seemed obvious to many biologists. Once there were only the simplest sorts of living things—replicating molecules, perhaps. Now the world contains innumerable species displaying amazing adaptations fitting them for every conceivable niche in the economy of nature. How could anyone who accepts an evolutionary view of life deny that progress has occurred?…
…According to Richard Dawkins, the most important features of evolution simply cannot be understood correctly without embracing the notion of evolutionary progress: “[A]daptive evolution is not just incidentally progressive, it is deeply, dyed-in-the-wool, indispensably progressive. It is fundamentally necessary that it should be progressive if Darwinian natural selection is to perform the explanatory role in our world view that we require of it, and that it alone can perform” (Dawkins 1997, p. 1017). In Ernst Mayr’s view, progress in evolution is simply as obvious, and as undeniable, as the manifest progress in the development of the automobile (Mayr 1994).
“Doesn’t have to be universally adaptive, just generally adaptive.”
You’re missing the point. It’s context dependence is what makes “progressive” an inapplicable description.
There is no goal so there is no progress to be made. Just change when change is necessary.
“even realize it’s a huge debate:”
It’s not. That’s just a vocal minority. RR and I represent the overwhelming consensus. It’s even taught in schools as an erroneous way to interpret evolution.
You’re missing the point. It’s context dependence is what makes “progressive” an inapplicable description.
But the context is any planet that supports life; a context so broad it essentially transcends context and that’s precisely the point: natural selection can only cause long-term trends if the adaptive value is not confined to specific contexts, because those contexts don’t last or when they do, further evolution has diminishing returns and stabilizing selection ensues.
There is no goal so there is no progress to be made. Just change when change is necessary.
But if necessary change tends to always be in the same direction, it will behave like it has a goal, even though it doesn’t. Indeed evolution works much like a creative designer. Mutations are like ideas, and selection is like deciding what ideas work. Through the trial and error of survival of the fittest, nature makes organisms more and more adaptable, just like an artist might make his sculpture look more and beautiful.
It’s not. That’s just a vocal minority.
A vocal minority that includes some of the most eminent scientists of the 20th century. Of course these scientists and I might be wrong, but I think it’s a plausible hypothesis that needs more testing.
It’s even taught in schools as an erroneous way to interpret evolution.
That’s because so many people falsely assume evolution has a goal and that all evolutionary change is always progressive and all early branching taxa are always primitive. In a backlash against these misconceptions, some scientists have gone to the opposite extreme which helps students understand how evolution actually works. But once you understand the basics, you can ponder progress in a more nuanced way.
It’s like the first thing you learn in statistics is correlation != correlation & only once you get that can you admit that correlation often does imply causation.
No, I didn’t assume that. In fact, the clear implication of my post, which was about as explicit as it could be without being flatly stated, was that PP DOESN’T have the relevant expertise, which is not at all intended as an insult towards him. My POINT was that you can’t put faith in the short-form writings of random people on WordPress. But given the current hostile climate towards HBD in academia, we don’t have many better options.
PP’s belief rests on a conceptual confusion of evolutionary trees.
No I fully understand them. You and the authors you cite don’t understand the implication of them.
You’re just attempting to twist people’s words into agreeing with your already-formed conclusions, even when the references are SHOWING WHY your belief is wrong.
RaceRealist’s worth rests on how he boosts my ego by reminding me that, yes, I really am echelons smarter than the simpletons around me.
My worth is based on my real-life accomplishments.
“the current hostile climate towards HBD in academia” (race science like Lynn, Rushton, Jensen et al, not real biodiversity in humans like more complex texts that aren’t Lynn, Rushton, Jensen et al, such as Human Genetic Diversity: Consequences for Health and Disease) is because the it’s been shown time and time again over the past 50 years since Jensen 1969 that their views are false (their use of heritability, the nonexistence of a coherent concept of race, and when they do attempt it, it reduces to “genetic differences between groups exist so these groups are races” (eg Jensen 1998: 425).
The point I’ve been trying to get through to PP FOR YEARS is that he’s reading trees wrongly but he doesn’t want to admit it.
rr you simply don’t understand my theory.
I understand it. It’s just wrong. (In before you say “If you understood it you’d accept it!”)
There were only so many google images of trees with vertical branches & fork-like splits comparing taxa of equal specificity & I wanted one for each level of specificity from very broad (comparing entire kingdoms of life) to very narrow (comparing races within a species) & they all had to be taxa for which I had brain size data. Given all these requirements I had nothing to cherry-pick from because so few images fit all that criteria
The only source of bias I can see is that all trees had at least one taxon that included us & since I already knew we’re the most encephalized & have done so much branching, this arguably made positive correlations inevitable
So while I think my 2017 article provided support for evolutionary progress, it was not a true test of the hypothesis
But here’s the problem. To properly perform such an analysis would require a huge amount of time, effort, and expertise, which is infeasible for any project outside of mainstream academia to acquire, and most mainstream academics would want nothing to do with this.
I actually think a lot of them would be interested. As long as you don’t apply it to human races, it’s not a taboo topic, just one where a lot of scientists have been misled by the type of strawman arguments RR falls for.
And if you don’t apply it to human races it loses 95% of the meaning lol
If they had any understanding of biology then they would not accept it. It was pseudoscience when Rushton proposed it in the 80s and it’s pseudoscience when PP is pushing it in the 2020s.
In virtue of what can we apply “evolutionary progress” to human races?
In virtue of what is “evolutionary progress” not a conceptual confusion and a holdover from Artistotle’s ladder of progress? “Evolutionary progress” isn’t taken seriously because it doesn’t make sense. It especially doesn’t make sense if you apply it to human races.
So I’m waiting to hear the argument.
You’ve already heard the argument & you’re too dumb to understand it. You’re too dumb to understand that population splits correlate with speciation. Too dumb to understand punctuated equilibrium
I understand it—it’s just nonsense. And I asked Ganzir for it. “Too dumb to understand…” – hahaha
Nonsense? What part doesn’t make sense.
Your reading of trees and your mental gymnastics to try to fit tree reading into your pet theory.
what am I misreading about the trees? Be specific & answer in your own words
Your biggest misconception is thinking that the order of the nodes mean something when you can construct trees with different nodes that lead to the same conclusions as the one you erroneously read as showing “progress” to evolution.
PP your confusions on evolutionary trees have been written about at length for college students and even some specialists harbor the same exact error in thinking about trees that you do.
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12052-008-0035-x
Your source states:
The order of terminal nodes is meaningless. One of the most common misconceptions about evolutionary trees is that the order of the terminal nodes provides information about their relatedness. Only branching order (i.e., the sequence of internal nodes) provides this information; because all internal nodes can be rotated without affecting the topology (Fig. 6), the order of the tips is meaningless. Nevertheless, there is a strong tendency for readers to take the tree in a as indicating that frogs are more closely related to fishes than humans are. They are not: both frogs and humans (and birds and lizards and cats) are equally closely related to fishes because as tetrapods they share a common ancestor to the exclusion of bony fishes.
Straw man argument. Nowhere in my article did I infer anything from the order of terminal nodes. My argument is that the more internal nodes leading to a terminal node, the more evolved a taxon will tend to be (on average).
You remind of the QAnon shaman. Both obsessive bearded guys who became ideologically radicalized by online propaganda & so convinced you’re right you go on a jihad against all opposition, even though you’re both 100% wrong. Instead of storming congress you storm my blog:
Clearly it’s implicit. You can, again, change the ordering using different nodes and get the same result, seeing that another node would be “more evolved” than another node.
It’s not “propaganda”—you’re so married to the “evolutionary progress” idea that you’re attempting to read into things that aren’t there when there are dozens of papers correcting your misconceptions that you erroneously attempt to make it seem like it supports your half-assed idea!
change the ordering of what? I just told you I didn’t infer anything from ordering but rather from number of internal nodes leading to terminal nodes, so not sure what your argument is now.
Do you read the references you’re give or do you just repeat the same nonsense? Baum was referred to you last night:
“The fact is that one should not assume that an internal node indicates the exact moment (again, geologically speaking) when particular physical changes came about, any more than one should interpret a long, node-free branch as indicating that no change has occurred. More accurately, an internal node represents the time at which a formerly cohesive population diverged into two genetically isolated descendant populations, with morphological change possible both at this time and long afterward (Baum et al. 2005).”
I agree 100%. In theory you could have 100 internal nodes and no morphological change and you could have only 1 internal node and HUGE morphological change. But on average, we should expect at least a small positive correlation between number of nodes and degree of morphological change because cladogenesis is a lot more common than anagenesis. See Punctuated equilibrium.
It’s already been explained to you that evolutionary change doesn’t necessarily occur at the change of nodes and that both species—if not extinct—are continuously evolving. Faster evolution and more evolutionary change does not equal “progressive evolution.”
Why do you keep telling me to “See Punctuated equilibrium” as if it means anything to your misunderstanding on tree reading?
It’s already been explained to you that evolutionary change doesn’t necessarily occur at the change of nodes
Duh! Never said it necessarily occurs at nodes, I said it generally occurs at nodes.
and that both species—if not extinct—are continuously evolving.
Duh!
Faster evolution and more evolutionary change does not equal “progressive evolution.”
No point even debating that until you admit that more internal nodes leading to a terminal node correlates with more evolutionary change.
Why do you keep telling me to “See Punctuated equilibrium” as if it means anything to your misunderstanding on tree reading?
I haven’t misunderstood a damn thing. It’s you who misunderstood my theory. If you understood Punctuated equilibrium, you’d understand why internal nodes correlate with evolutionary change because the whole point of the theory is that major evolutionary change tends to occur in “rare and geologically rapid events of branching speciation called cladogenesis”.
Why don’t you give me an example? In virtue of what are branches on evolutionary trees and progress related? I don’t need a quote for what PE is—I’ve read a lot about it. Ironically, not modeling cladogenetic change calls into question the results of Baker et al—never mind you’ve never read Full House and it shows! Surely you’re also aware how Gould’s and Eldridge’s PE models is based of decimation and diversification—exactly the opposite of such progress as Gould argues in Wonderful Life and Full House!
The conclusion of the original 1972 paper was that the rate of evolution is not constant over time. So they then hypothesized that there is little evolutionary change within species and that genetic changes within a certain population don’t account for different species. Maybe you don’t understand how PE is intertwined with decimation. This article should help clear up your confusions on Gould’s view of evolution and how and why it is not “progressive.”
https://monthlyreview.org/2011/02/01/stephen-jay-goulds-critique-of-progress/
This is why you need to read Gould.
RR, which statement in this syllogism do you disagree with?
1. Morphological change positively correlates with cladogenesis
2. Cladogenesis positively correlates with internal nodes
3. Therefore, internal nodes positively correlate with morphological change
What inference rule are you using?
Are you implying that internal nodes correlate with speciation?
I asked for a specific example—which is empirical.
A specific example would be when the lineage leading to us & Neanderthals split about half a million years ago. As one lineage moved North and the other stayed in Africa, we saw rapid morphological divergence and that split was reflected by the most recent internal node on the below tree:
To be clear here, you’re using PE to push “progressive evolution”? Can you answer the other two questions? You’re claiming that cladogenesis = faster evolution?
To be clear here, you’re using PE to push “progressive evolution”?
You keep arguing that position in the tree has nothing to do with how evolved an extant taxon is so I’m using PE to argue that internal nodes predict morphological change. Whether the morphological change is progressive, regressive or neutral is a separate question, but one thing at a time.
What inference rule are you using?
I just made a simple syllogism. How it would be formally classified by philosophers, I know not.
Are you implying that internal nodes correlate with speciation?
Yes
You’re claiming that cladogenesis = faster evolution?
Don’t know if it’s faster per se, but according to PE it’s the more common form of rapid morphological change, and since you can’t have cladogenesis without first having a population split, a lineage with many internal nodes is more likely to have experienced more cladogenesis and thus more morphological change.
The first question is a yes or no question.
Syllogisms need an inference rule. The conclusion has to follow from the premises and you need to join it with an inference rule.
Inference rules prove that sentences are logical consequences of other sentences. So what’s the inference rule?
https://iep.utm.edu/prop-log/#SH5b
If cladogenesis = faster evolution, and if internal nodes correlate with speciation, then PE leads to faster evolution and the evolutionary rate becomes accelerated due to speciation, right?
Can
be…
Haha so three out of five of PP’s claims come from Rushton’s book—summarizing the last two pages. I have written about all three—and Rushton of course:
Knowing this, it’s clear that PP has not read the sources he’s citing in depth. Let me repaste my earlier comment:
“Let’s be real here: PP is citing a 26-year-old book and the author of the 26-year-old book (Rushton) is citing a (now) 46-year-old book (Wilson’s Sociobiology) and a (as of now) 32-year-old book (Bonner’s The Evolution of Culture in Animals). What PP didn’t cite from Rushton’s screed is a 31-year-old book (Russel’s The Dinosaurs of North America; relevant quotations here https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2017/06/03/dinosaurs-brains-and-progressive-evolution-part-ii/) in which the author claim that, had the dinosaurs not gone extinct, then “they” (troodons) would have evolved to be humanlike.
I ask PP, who claims that progressive evolution is “such a major scientific breakthrough”, to cite more than a 26-year-old book (what he cited were Rushton’s citations); so I just want him to back his very bold claim with more contemporary references than what is on the last two pages of Rushton’s fringe book with his fringe theorizing. Because if this is “such a major scientific breakthrough” like he claims, then he would have more than the singular reference he refers to (Rushton in Race, Evolution and Behavior); so if he cannot back his claim with evidence I would then like him to retract the claim.”
PP is citing the Bonner book because Rushton, in his 26-year-old book, cites it. But little does PP know, Bonner revised his view in his 2013 Randomness in Evolution, arguing—as Gould and McShea did—that evolutionary trends are non-driven or passive.
And Russell didn’t believe “they” (all dinosaurs” would evolve like that, only troodons.
The point of the drunkard’s walk argument is that the drunkard starts at the wall which he cannot penetrate and, through randomly walking between the wall he cannot penetrate and the gutter (minimum and maximum complexity, respectively), that, for example, with body size, founding species start at the left wall, so the only way to go is right while bouncing back and forth and not being able to become less complex than than the left wall.
Since PP has clearly never read Full House:
Given these three conditions, we note an increase in size of the largest species only because founding species start at the left wall, and the range of size can therefore expand in only one direction. Size of the most common species (the modal decade) never changes, and descendants show no bias for arising at larger sizes than ancestors. But, during each act, the range of size expands in the only open direction by increase in the total number of species, a few of which (and only a few) become larger (while none can penetrate the left wall and get smaller). We can say only this for Cope’s Rule: in cases with boundary conditions like the three listed above, extreme achievements in body size will move away from initial values near walls. Size increase, in other words, is really random evolution away from small size, not directed evolution toward large size.
It seems that—like Rushton—PP has never read the book he is critiquing. Passive trends in body size hold for dinosaurs (https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rspb.2011.2441), plankton (see fig. 25 in Full House), fig 26 for forams, and fig 27, showing exactly what he contended. Furthermore, Baker et al did not model cladogenetic change. Cope’s rule is driven by cladogenetic factors.
https://academic.oup.com/sysbio/article/65/1/98/2461670#115286126
PP, please read Gould before you attempt to refute him.
In the spirit of full disclosure, I should note that I borrowed that metaphor you mentioned at the start of this post from “Transmutation” by Paul Cooijmans… even though I probably would have thought of it myself.
https://paulcooijmans.com/occult/transmutation.html
”evolution-is-progressive”
wait
All about learning the evolution concept first.
At least these white supremacists have the self-respect to maintain physical fitness rather than looking like the average 400-pound white trash truck driver who flies the Confederate flag over here in the States
Why if they prefer using weapons and attacking in groups??
Whitey is intractable. But their self engradizing is huge than their pathetic reality. Specially conservie eternal problem.
Change the word progressive for accumulative.
Makes more sense.
Many times the problem begin with Semantics.
Maybe it should be described as the long-term trend converging to a vector
That’s my metaphor about filling the baloon.
More strong a trend becomes, more “progressive” it is.
I’m willing to hear more from both sides on this as I don’t know what the correct answer is. I don’t think you can just say dinosaurs would have evolved into bipeds but on the other hand its true that the human brain is perhaps well past the point of merely being an adaptation to an environment, maybe.
Pill talking about science doesnt sit right with me.
The point is that intelligence is the ultimate adaptation because it’s the ability to adapt itself. While other animals take millions of year to evolve fur in the cold, we just make a fur coat
“Evolution is progressive”. Is it so or not? No verdict could be announced because “progress” is a subjective term. We ALL should agree on what “progress’ means in that regard. That is not possible.
“Gould argued that life becomes more complex over time”. “Complex” is a subjective term too. We could look at exactly the same system, like an airplane, but define its components and relationships between components differently. That would give us a “complex” system, or “not complex” system.
Most people can agree that angiosperm are better than slime mould or that humans are better than chimps
In what sense “humans are better than chimps”? That is discussable. There is a study showing that humans are much more violent among themselves than chimpanzees. In that sense, humans are worse than chimps. “Better” is a subjective term too.
If subjective rankings correlate they become objective. There are also more scientific measures we can use like biomass
I would like to know more about the “If subjective rankings correlate they become objective” statement. I would appreciate it if you could provide any confirmation of that statement and links to such confirmations, or, links to the discussions of this statement.
Arthur Jensen stated:
Ratings or rankings with a specified degree of agreement among several judges
(as quantified by the intraclass correlation or the coefficient of concordance) can
also qualify as an objective standard and may serve to rate IPs that do not lend
themselves to direct measurement, such as performance in figure skating, playing
a musical instrument, singing, art work, influencing people, and the like.
See page 51 of his book “The g Factor” (page 62 of the pdf file):
Click to access The-g-factor-the-science-of-mental-ability-Arthur-R.-Jensen.pdf
Thank you. Good quote. I still could raise a mount of questions about such rankings. That could be a pandora box.
That’s the problem. Academics aren’t selected on creativity, or at least not creativity that goes beyond what mainstream academia can handle, so you can’t expect them to recognize it in others.
All Jensen did was the same thing you did—make a claim with no evidence or reasoning behind it. “agreement among several judges” do not become “objective rankings.”
This leads back to the Fermi Paradox. “Where are they?”
https://pumpkinperson.com/2019/03/18/fermis-paradox-the-existence-of-god/
Why is PP’s blog called “The psychology of horror” when there is zero psychology of horror?
Weird how there’s no discussion on Bird’s new paper on this blog…
is anyone other than him discussing it?
Fuerst did on Human Varieties.
https://humanvarieties.org/2021/02/08/insignificant-differences/
And Bird responded.
https://kevinabird.github.io/2021/02/12/still-no-support.html
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If campaign donations were regulated in the USA, nancy pelosi would actually be the republican leader. The whole spectrum would swing to the left.
Why do people believe in HBD shit. It’s just scientific racism.
Pepe I’ll send you another tree fiddy to estimate the IQ of Ash from the Pokémon anime
Next week I’ll host another auction & we’ll let the free market decide what my next paid article is
Puppy is a libertarian
You wish
No you wont let the free market decide because you will ban my request no matter how much money I offer.
What about the IQ of kid Griffith?
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