I’ve long argued that the higher your IQ, the less likely you are to believe in God and it often takes an extra high IQ to reject religion when you were raised in a religious home. The brilliant Robert Sapolsky (who graduated summa cum laude from Harvard University) is a great example. Despite being raised Orthodox Jewish, he achieved secularism by his early teens, which evolved into atheism, and eventually utter atheism. My own unpublished research suggests that creationists average about 15 IQ points lower than non-theists. Extrapolating from here, it would be interesting if agnostics (like me) are less intelligent (on average) than atheists who are less intelligent than utter atheists but I don’t know if the relationship is quite that linear.
I’ve also long argued that the higher your IQ, the less racist you are and Sapolsky is also very non-racist. Alt-right commenters like “Philosopher” will think “he’s just pretending to be non-racist to manipulate gullible goyim into race mixing so they’ll be easier for Jews to dominate” but in fact we see that he is anti-racist even when his own ethnic interests are on the line, stating:
We humans are like most other social primates in that we very quickly, very unconsciously, very automatically tend to divide the world into “us” and “them”…I grew up as an Orthodox Jew, which was the religiosity that I broke away from. Now I am part of the way-too-small community of Jews who are anti-Zionist. It’s a little bit horrifying that among American Jews, 99 percent of the time, you’re finding people whose views are very different from my wife’s and mine. We’re not fans of what has been done in Palestine over the last 70 years.
This shows his non-racism is not an act, but a genuine product of high IQ. The fact that the negative correlation between IQ and racism might exist even within the Jewish community suggests the correlation is largely causal, and not merely an artifact of high IQ Westerners being brainwashed by liberal propaganda. Although intelligence is the ability to adapt, being too smart is genetically maladaptive in dominant races because the high IQ are abstract enough to pursue moral interests which typically conflict with the dominant group’s genetic interests.
Sapolsky is an excellent lecturer and I especially enjoyed his talk on behavioral genetics. He thinks classical twin studies where heritability = 2(MZ twins raised together corrrelation – DZ twins raised together) overesitmate heritability because, like many liberals, he thinks MZ twins raised together are not only more genetically similar than DZ twins raised together, but environmentally more similar (so the correlation difference can not be exclusively credited to genes).
He’s also skeptical that the MZ twins raised apart correlation = heritability because even separated twins may have correlated environments.
He alludes to an idea I never considered that would seem to solve both those problems:
Heritability = 2(MZ twins raised apart correlation – DZ twins raised apart correlation).
Has anyone ever calculated this?
Pumpkin Person 
“Same person (tested twice) .95
Identical twins—Reared apart .76
Fraternal twins—Reared apart .35”
– https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heritability_of_IQ#Correlations_between_IQ_and_degree_of_genetic_relatedness
“The IQ average for atheists is over 6 points higher than the mean for those who know God exists. Agnostics, in fact, have the highest average with 103.9. ”
– https://inductivist.blogspot.com/2020/09/2018-gss-data-atheism-and-agnosticism.html
Thanks for the twin data. Very interesting
it depends on what is meant by “religiosity”.
for example, islamists and american evangelicals are for the most part morons.
chris langan’s IQ is high enough that he’s NOT an atheist.
PEEPEE HATES GOD BECAUSE LESBIAN.
Still waiting for a single valid IQ score from Mug of Pee
How explain so many gays who BELIEVE in god??
Dios
This Moron again
I know you like him because he is BIG
It’s always “aesthetics” for you
Just like a sissy
Being gay and feel directly the hypocrisy and stupidity of many moron-believers is just one and peripheral factor to explain my mostly-atheism.
I’m philosophically mature enough to know that it’s very unlikely the existence of “god” specially the details of its mythological narratives.
According to a 2016 Pew Center study, there is correlation between education and income in the United States. About 77% of Hindus, 67% to 11% (depending on the denominational group) of Christians, 59% of Jews, 47% of Buddhists, 43% of Atheists, 42% of Agnostics, 39% of Muslims, and 24% of those who say their religion is “nothing in particular”; have a college degree.[46]
It’s also important analyse every inside-group. Hindus for example is more a cultural and ethnic than a religious group. Also the selection immigration factor. Also that have a college degree based on education hierarchy is not exactly a great thing. Lots of people have diplomas but few stay in university and advance. Atheists and agnostics seems disproportionately in the most important american universities.
Religion maybe self emotionally smart but it’s indoubtly stupid. There are some religious groups like mormons who seems score well on IQ tests than other groups.
It’s not your score on tests that determine your inteligence or what is true and what is not.
IQ is one of many effects of your intelligence or how it can developed and not otherwise.
I also read somewhere that atheism distribution on IQ scores are more like opposite to typical bell curve shape, desproportionally among those with the highest and also among those with the lowest seems among european decent pops.
IMO one of the main reasons, high IQ people tend be less racist (genuinely or otherwise) is that they usually have the wherewithal to locate themselves far removed from the violent realities created by the savage races.
Are Whites non savage??? ( collectively speak)
I thought you were full blown atheist?
I remember you comparing agnosticism on god to agnosticism on the existence of the Easter bunny or Santa. What changed your mind?
what changed my mind was this:
https://pumpkinperson.com/2019/03/18/fermis-paradox-the-existence-of-god/
I don’t think that formula could be correct however. Dz twins are still far more similar genetically than most other people so you would be subtracting a large component of heritability. You should subtract two unrelated persons of the same age raised in the same family from mz twins raised apart in order to extract heritability, right? Or simply mz twins raised apart. The problem is most people in the first world have very similar upbringings, so obtaining truly different environments is difficult.
Racism, in the sense of a primitive hostility to persons of other raises, simply because they look different, is probably negatively correlated with iq, but does anyone really behave this way? Few whites do. From my knowledge of the “alt right”, I would say none of their spokesmen have that sort of hostility. A recognition that many of the social ills faced by certain groups and countries stem from biological differences among human groups(cf the Bell Curve) is not racism, as I would define it, but most of academia and the msm regard such an assertion as “racist” of course. Most of the high iq set of society believe ardently that race is skin deep, due to intensive indoctrination in the educational system. Hence, most smart people believe something scientifically false. It all depends how one is defining “racism.” How does pumpkin person define the term racist?
I don’t think that formula could be correct however. Dz twins are still far more similar genetically than most other people so you would be subtracting a large component of heritability.
That’s why you double the subtracted difference. Because the genetic difference between mz and dz is half the genetic difference between mz and random American:
Heritability = 2(MZ twins raised apart correlation – DZ twins raised apart correlation).
I thought about it and agree now. The formula that is. Well, how do you define racism? Do you believe in white privilege and structural racism?
structural racism no longer exists but generational wealth lost in slavery etc may still cause an unlevel playing field. White privelige definitely exists:
https://hbr.org/amp/2017/10/hiring-discrimination-against-black-americans-hasnt-declined-in-25-years
PP,
The world is not just USA/Canada and between exist and do not exist there is a spectrum of existence/intensity. I fully agree that the way racism was widespread in the very recent past and not just about blacks is no longer existent. It’s doesn’t mean it totally disappear. The entire political transformation of african continent based on borders defined by colonialism is a big scar without available short term resolution totally caused by angelical whitey.
You still didn’t say how you define racism. Say, pumpkin person, what is your iq?
Hostility towards black & brown. 135
Yeah, but you have to say on what test and give the standard deviation. If the standard deviation was 60, that’s not that impressive.
Wechsler
What about hostility towards red and yellow people.
Is that racism according to you pp?
Hmm, certain skills, for example, chess or music, become more advanced depending on how young a person was when he started learning them. No chess world champ after 1920 learned the game after 5 years of age. It’s literally as though their brains were hard wired for those activities. Neurons are pruned away in early childhood years based upon environmental stimuli.
Particular skills, such as those clerical skills utilized in the modern “iq test” may have some component of this tendency, wherein early exposure to certain activities, be they verbal or arithmetic lead to particular crystallized skill sets which are reflected in the “iq test.” This may account for the small differences observed between identical twins raised apart.
I wonder if this sort of crystallized effect has been studied, for instance two mz twins who started playing chess or piano at different ages are compared. It would be difficult to study.
I read another article showing that atheists tend to be superior on fluid intelligence while regards chrystallized intelligence more religious can be found among the IQ brightest. Interestingly autists also tend to be better on fluid than chrystallized. Autists and atheists seems share many similarities due the nerd factor.
I read from Edward D/Button
My fault
Le
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Em4P8xjWMAUkqGc?format=jpg&name=large
I’m sure you’re familiar with Chris Langan’s views on faith?
Yes but he’s only one person
You are deeply depressed and your every thought is of pain and sorrow. How I envy you.
Dieter from Sprockets
pepe, I have autism; does that make girls ableist if they don’t want to have sex with me? Thanks
Do you mean White girl?
I strongly prefer East Asians, or at least some of them, to my own White racial brethren, thank you very much. No, I don’t mind possible miscegenation; if anything, I would be proud to facilitate Caucasoid-Mongoloid fusion, given that they have higher IQs on average than my own race, and also that they’re apparently genetically biased towards spatial ability, which is my primary cognitive shortcoming.
Ever notice that East Asians born in the U.S. tend to be much prettier than the ones raised overseas?
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Puppy you can’t deny I have a knack for getting my diagnosis of people 100% correct.
I have a knack for correctly estimating your IQ at around a standard deviation below mine, whereas I’m just a standard deviant.
So what exactly is your IQ Ganzir? Your self-estimated or documented IQ would be sufficient.
The people that suffer most from autism are the people around that person.
@LOADED
He has stated around 150 in the past, but if I had to guess he would be between 150 and 160. Not lower than 150, but likely not higher than 160 overall.
No, the philosopher would say Jews are the most tribal people in the western world and one guy doesn’t prove this wrong. Most jews maintain high cognitive abilities alongside tribalism, ‘race-ism’ and so on. In Israel gay marriage is banned. We all know jews aren’t doing that just based on religious reasons.
The negative correlation between IQ & tribalism holds within groups more than between them. So some high IQ groups will be relatively tribal and thus have a lot of tribal geniuses, but even within said group, the smart ones will tend to be less tribal.
So someone like Bob Rubin might be far more tribal than an equally intelligent gentile, but he will be much less tribal than a low IQ Staten Island Jew
Puppy if all the high IQ groups we are talking about here are ‘tribal’. It doesnt matter how much less or more tribal their smart people are. For all we know 50% of the smartest might also have autism which explains why they are not tribal.
Didn’t say it mattered. Autism might explain some of why high IQ people are less tribal but superior morality explains a lot of it. And part of the reason autistics are less racist is they care less about social categories & not nessecarily because they’ve been brainwashed. Indeed you could argue autistics are harder to brainwash because they’re less tied to groupthink & virtue signaling
Autism is a form of retardation puppy. People with autism are considered naive and gullible. Even autistic people know this.
But that doesn’t nessecarily mean their non-tribalism is caused by naïveté. It could be that both their non-tribalism and their naïveté is caused by disinterest in people.
No have more doubts that your thinking pattern is confused. You conflate many pieces of information to fit with your master narrative. First of all religion is Strongly associated with archaic human behaviors like tribalism. It’s nearly impossible dissociate one from another. If gay marriage was temporarily banned in Israel the reason beside homophobia itself is religiousness ( cultural psychotness) of current israelit govern that is far reichist or tribalist. Dur
http://www.hiddush.org/article-2107-0-_Israelis_support_gay_marriage.aspx
https://www.timesofisrael.com/challenging-rabbinate-tel-aviv-allows-same-sex-couples-to-register-as-married/
Its not ‘temporarily’ banned. They banned it because its a disgrace but they push it in Western countries along with porn, open borders and all manner of social deviancy.
A disgrace that good people can be happy and have basic judicial benefits just like anybody else??
Homophobia must be categorize as mental disorder as racism. You have no reasonable argument to hate us included millions of people you never saw in your life.
Are you contacted already Bibi satanyahu to know if is temporarily??
Disgrace is being you
I don’t like to be a lunatic handicapped like you or other lolser.
So you think people should be allowed marry animals?
neko girl pets uwu
Catatonic pill already made this infamous and illiterate question but his nonexistent long term memory prevent him to notice. It’s sad. That’s why you are not just schizophrenic. I posted a vídeo of a woman who have schizoaffective disorder and she looks “normal” but just analysing your lack of intellectual flexibility here just show how another disordered you are too, autism is a good candidate. I’m full blown for “animal” rights pill. But i bet you will forget soon and ask the same “question” pretending to be sarcastic. About one of the most important knowledge, moral ones, pill is barrely human. If pill was president of USA he would be even dumb than trump.
So you admit that people should be allowed to marry animals….youre a sick little puppy santo. I don’t even know why I have to explain why letting people marry animals is a terrible idea.
Yessss
Less about you
thepill
“Israel became the first country in Asia to recognize unregistered cohabitation between same-sex couples, making it the first country in Asia to recognize same-sex unions in any capacity. Although same-sex marriages are not performed in the country, Israel recognizes same-sex marriages performed elsewhere. Discrimination on the grounds of sexual orientation was prohibited in 1992. “
It’s exactly for religious reasons.
Are you ever tired of being wrong?
I remember I started off as an atheist when I was young. But I wasn’t a nihilist. I just thought Catholicism seemed made up. Then I read the Bible and became a bit more religiu-lous. There was a lot of peer pressure here to be religio-lous.
And then as I got older I started seeing that Spinoza and the pantheist people are right. There is something that created us. There is a ‘house position’ on things.
I think reading Richard Dawkins book was the moment I became skeptical of atheism. I was never confused about theism being wrong, but I found a lot of what Dawkins said very problematic in regards to everything.
There is nothing more psycho than believing In god
Instincts strikes again
People like Dawkins are devoutly religious in their belief of anti-theist humanism.
There’s probably more evidence for a creator than their is for the entire world being able to abandon their religious beliefs and Work Together As One.
The problem with enlightment is the historical intrusion of pathological altruism through earlier egalitarianism (everyone is born the same, it’s society that corrupt us) which has its roots on purist christianism.
You mean 0 real evidence for god existence x 0 evidence that most people are capable to evolve intellectually during their lifetime.
But most religious indoctrination is and was imposed. How do you think christianism rapted Europe?
Whites are on avg more individualistic but there are many Whites ano are very tribalist and about those who became less racially tribalist we can see them canalyzing their tribal impetus in another perspectives, social class or ideology, for example. Historically speaking, jews has not been more tribal than “whites” (generic term), sorry.
“Historically speaking, jews has not been more tribal than “whites” (generic term), sorry.”
This shows you know nothing about history. Gay peoples history is not history.
Yes. Before the enlightenment they were probably equally tribal. And Jewish media influence beginning in the 1930s finished the job.
Physics is highly misunderstood. I do not believe God can break physics. If a God exists it would need to operate within the simulation hypothesis. Of course, monotheism becomes highly skeptical in a simulation unless one a.i. has taken control. A hierarchy would exist.
We have a layered existence. Glitches in the matrix are there.
Its pretty clear Im the least autistic person here but have certain autistic traits that are beneficial. Now on the opposite end I may have some schiz traits but those are detrimental to my life. But because of people like Mug and Pill (and Im being hundred percent serious when I implicate these two) I may not be the most schizo person here.
Austin is a good candidate for a non-autistic person and then obviously Mug and Pill as well since they range from mild to full-blown schiz. The highest IQ people here are certainly very autistic. Anime and Santo are mildly autistic, Rahul is moderately autistic and then the really high IQ people like Ganzir and Bruno are very autistic.
Oh and MeLo and RR are not included since theyre too neurotypical to even consider as being autistic or schiz, probably somewhere right in the middle of the spectrum. Id say Im probably pretty close to being around there.
mug and phil don’t hold back
schizo totally give in to the patterns. they do not need to explain to them to themselves they are just obvious.
it is the opposite of the thought block I have. I need to explain everything that comes into my head. causes severe pressure.
RR is not neurotypical you idiot.
RR is the most neurotypical person here.
And anime is even more autistic than Ganzir and Bruno.
Is Sailer’s wife Asian? He praises Amy Chua and her parenting style all the time. He also brags about his son’s academic performance.
Amy is pure evil.
East Asian women are notorious for social climbing. Whereas the men are told to study and pass tests to get wealthy, asian women often take a more socially intelligent route to the top by marrying white guys and [redacted by pp, nov 16, 2020]
Jesus
Every pill thought is another conspiracy theory and always attacking non whites, gays, democrats or reptillians..
The most classist “race” is the “white” race. They are on avg obsessed with social status. I know millionaire football proles always attract lots of white chicks. I don’t know about billionaires thought.
If you want to know the ‘house view’ on gays and autists and other misanthropes – just observe how these people are treated by other children. Without all the brainwashing and ‘socialising’ these people are bullied. I’m not saying its right, but if you want an objective lesson in how nature treats certain neurological evolutionary branching, theres the evidence.
Note how no kid in human history has ever ‘learned’ to be a racist or anti gay or whatever. It comes completely naturally. Only the jew says ‘education’ must be used to disarm tribalism precisely because he is an ethnic minority, not because it is better for everyone.
The interesting aspect of the racism (i.e tribalism) function in human beings is that it doesn’t exist in young children but tends to exist as more sexual development happens in the person…this was something Robert pointed out that I believe is true and indicates racism may be a part of mating strategy in humans.
Tribalism most certainly does exist in young children. If anything, it’s stronger in children than in adults because children tend to have less developed brains than adults and are therefore lacking in the sort of abstract reasoning which is required to supersede mindless collectivist violence. Look at schoolyard bullying if you don’t believe me.
You just don’t get it ganzir. Maybe its your autism. Has it ever occured to you that most of the inter-tribal, inter-racial violence was the RESULT of abstract reasoning? Kids never propose things like genocide or Jim Crow Laws. It was adults taking into account the ‘way things ought to be’.
Another good example is religious wars where 2 factions engender hatred based on varying interpretations of mythological nonsense. Children aren’t able to reason like that.
“Has it ever occured to you that most of the inter-tribal, inter-racial violence was the RESULT of abstract reasoning”
No, because that doesn’t make any sense. Why would intelligent people latch on to such an incredibly stupid instinct?
High IQ people are less racist for the same reason high IQ people are less likely to rape.
Inter-tribal violence ultimately arises from our vestigial group survival instincts, which predate abstract reasoning by eons. Most of human history can be understood in the contexts of chimpanzees flinging excrement at one another.
If logical justifications for hating other groups are provided, then those were created by the tiny minority of haters with high IQs, who are the exceptions to the rule that higher IQ -> lower tribalism. Furthermore, most of those high IQ racists were racist because racism was the dominant belief in their social circle, at their time and place. If they’d been born into a liberal upper-middle-class home in the 1980s, they almost certainly wouldn’t have turned out racist. The average out-group-hater is a dullard who is barely aware of the high-IQ hater’s theory and only cites it as superficial justification without really understanding it.
This might be called the Pleochroic Principle: someone’s stated reasoning for a behavior may change, but the underlying reason never does. Another example is the hatred of homosexuals. Arch-conservatives will cite religious texts to justify homo-hatred, but even if religion had never been invented, they would hate homosexuals anyway. And if they didn’t have an underlying biological inclination to hate homosexuals, they wouldn’t hate them regardless of what the Bible or Qur’an says about the issue.
Don’t bother. Philo is incapable of understanding basic logic.
in my school the teased vs the teasers and bullies vs bullied wasn’t clear. sometimes the teasing told you more about the teaser than the teased.
the popo teased tony timpa for being rich. any distinction, good or bad, it can be a subject of teasing. it’s the instinct of some people for hymenopterism.
the teases were the class clowns in my schools.
so teasing was just something that made you laugh.
What’s the argument that IQ is causal for anti-racism? I want an argument that IQ is causal for X.
In Behave, Sapolsky said that all of the twins in the MISTRA did not know of each other’s existence before meeting—this is completely false. While Sapolsky is more critical than all others who accept twin research, he’s not critical enough.
https://www.madinamerica.com/2020/02/exploding-twin-study-myth/
“He is not critical enough” = “He must be NEOLAMARCKIAN”
I just got hosed in work for handing in a pretty shoddy piece of work. It makes me angry that people take their dumb jobs so seriously. I have very little tolerance for doing boring stuff and it just so happens my job is 90% boring stuff so I try to skiv off. I could get fired again if they catch me skivving too many times.
And Pill claims he’s not a narcissist….HA! HA! All I can say is….HA!
How entitled does one have to be to bitch and moan about work like Pill does?
My university attendance is very poor for the same reason. I’d be amazed if it was north of 60%. The fact that it’s virtual makes it even worse.
I have 5 yuge exams coming up and I pretty much have to teach myself an entire semester’s worth of material for a few of my classes by the end of the week.
atheist say “there’s no evidence” totally incognizant of how retarded a category mistake that is.
atheists have autism.
they think God is like yeti or the loch ness monster or aliens or the flying spaghetti monster.
i wonder if atheists are conscious or if they’re just robots.
supernatural things exist.
yet some supernatural things are more equal than others
Atheists go by the bible because that is where the creations say God is.
In other words, they are sinking to the creationist’s level. Stupid as creationists.
Noah’s ark needs evidence. Because it is like debating Bevis vs. Butthead.
it’s kinda funny that the one 20th c. thinker who has a chance of being remembered 100 years from now was a literal nazi, a member of the NSDAP.
i mean can you imagine how big he’d be if he weren’t a literal nazi?
bigger than aquinas.
He’s not just the shit….he’s a pile of shit rotting in a grave. [redacted by pp, nov 16, 2020]
said a south asian who HATES vedanta and the upanishads and hinduism generally.
no western thinker has come closer to hindu metaphysics than heidegger.
does LOADED know that “swastika” is a sanskrit word?
throw off the semitic shackles and be proud to be bad at cricket and all other sports.
LOADED is trans-semitic.
First of all Im a Muslim Mug (not a practicing one though most of my family is deeply religious). Secondly I did know that “swatstika” is a Sanskrit word. Thirdly Id like to identify with both Semites and Indo-Aryans as I have sufficient ancestry from both.
I have significant Yamnaya ancestry (about twenty-five percent) for someone that is not NW European so….
Just a series of vague heideggerian words made by a complete loser who treat his/your mental madness in an obscure blog while already was expelled by dozen ones. RR and PP are your fairy godmothers lol
Still doesn’t know the difference between an argument and a stupid personal opinion.
When you say
Muuu atheists are autists retards… muuu
DEVELOP it, White trash.
You are a vivid demonstration why IQ is far to be flawless.
“They think god is…”
No
We don’t even think god IS, Whitetard
Do you really believe spaghetti monster is for real??
what would be the evidences for the existence of god????
waiting…
God is nonmaterial
not bigfoot, not spaghetti monster, not material. something that made material and rules. something to do with why consciousness is faster than light.
Science AND philosophy
=
MUST BE PROVED
God is VERY VERY VERY VERY LIKELY a human invention to feel better/in control/ in the center.
Why god existence cause so many controversy??
,
Because it’s not the same to state “dragons don’t exist:”. You are stating about the ultimate perspective of reality. Just like “You could prove god existence going out of your own body”. You can’t do it because it’s naturally impossible. We can’t going out of physical world to “metaphysical” world because it doesn’t exist. Again we atheists can’t prove either properly our points. It’s all based on what is logically probable and what is logically improbable.
What Always impress me negatively is how the philosophy WORD attract a volumous legion of losers like pill and musg. They really believe be philosopher is the same to ” validating my absolutely untouchable views with pompous words or with fake deep bullshit”. Pill is the fake self declared philosopher induced by his megalomania with low intellectual pedigree while musg is the fake self declared philosopher with higher artificially intellectual pedigree.
pepe, could you respond to my e-mails please? Don’t mean to rush you but idk if you check it regularly
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