Commenter Ganzir writes:
Step 1: Locate the single nucleotide polymorphisms associated with higher IQ; not necessarily all or even most of them, just a moderate number would be enough
Step 2: Use genetic editing to change a T here, a G there, and A or a C here… preferably on a genome from somebody who had a high IQ already for best results; this would probably create an individual with a higher genetic “compound score” for IQ than the randomness of natural breeding ever has
Step 3: ???
Step 4: Profit (after they earn all the million-dollar prizes from the Clay Mathematics Institute)
I guarantee you the Chinese government is already walking this path, and there’s still time to change the road we’re not on. I advise not to waste it.
The problem with this is there are probably about 10,000 genetic variants associated with IQ so you’d would have to edit about 1000 of them just to raise IQ 10 points. And who knows how many other traits you might accidentally damage while raising IQ. Not to mention, many of these variants will be expressed in the growing brain so if you alter them in adulthood after the cranium locks tight, the brain might get too big for it’s skull, causing death.
But once they do figure out how to edit an adult’s DNA to increase his IQ by say 30 points, it would be fascinating to give said adult a battery of cognitive tests.
For years commenter “Mug of Pee” has belittled psychologists for believing intelligence tests can be classified as crystallized (acquired knowledge) vs fluid (novel problem solving). As Arthur Jensen noted, a typical fluid item might be Grass is to cattle as bread is to? while a typical crystallized item might be Pupil is to teacher as Aristotle is to?. In the first question, almost everyone has enough general knowledge to solve it so the variation in scores comes from making an inference within the test room. In the latter, almost everyone has enough reasoning in the test room to solve it, but the variation in scores comes from a lifetime of different rates of learning through inference so by the time you get to the test room, you know who Socrates was and how he related to other historical figures.
So fluid tests are thought to observe intelligence directly, while crystallized tests indirectly measure it. The indirect measures can sometimes be more accurate but they are lagging indicators which should be most noticeable in those who experience an organic change in cognition, at least in theory.
So if we could increase a person’s genetic IQ and then test them before they had time to update their neural hardware with the software of life experience, I predict they would perform much better on the so-called fluid tests than on the so-called crystallized ones. Of course I would expect some improvement on all tests because even experience based tests require the fluid retrieval of information and the ability to organize it.
About a decade after the gene editing I would expect the gap between fluid and crystallized to more or less close as the new and improved brain acquires knowledge and vocabulary at a faster rate.
Pumpkin Person 
Uhhhh but Aristotle’s teacher was Plato. Socrates was Aristotle’s teach’s teacher. Unless this is another autism moment and I am not ‘getting it’.
uhhhhbut dog molesters are a real thing.
today an old man told me, “i can’t tell you how many times i’ve seen you in the park and wanted to pet your dog.”
“he’d go home with you if i let him.”
irish setters are such sluts.
You must be big fan of the Irish cos you talk about them all the time.
ALL of biden’s chirren married jews.
@Flamin, I was thinkin the same thing about Mug the other day. He’d be a complete hypocrite if he were to criticize RR on being Italian and ended up being Irish probably the worst European group other than the Gyps.
Don’t get me wrong loaded I’ve got nothing against any of these groups.
I do! Thats why I mention it tbh.
peepee scored in the 99th percentile in english…but not in canada.
hint: she’s exaggerating her score on a test in her home shithole where no one can speak english.
i score 99.9 percentile on written expression; probably higher if the test had more ceiling. I was worshipped by several English teachers growing up. I got 102% on my 1984 book report without reading the book.
there are free esl classes in ottawa peepee.
https://www.eslottawa.com/
Fantastic! But wouldn’t you prefer to attend one in your own city?
But you start a sentence with an uncapitalized “i.”
PP
Your texts don’t reflects higher verbal inteligence
So sorry
never said my overall verbal IQ is high, but my written expression is way up there. Or at least it was.
Written expression can, generally speaking, be used an excellent proxy for intelligence. The largest problem is that estimations garnered therefrom are sometimes warped downward by factors other than verbal intelligence. Even exceptionally intelligent people may pass for dullards if they never press the Shift key or use punctuation where appropriate.
However, even when pumpkin isn’t putting his best keyboard finger forward at producing optimally formulated King’s English, he can still effectively express a coherent idea, which itself lower bounds his IQ around 130.
No doubt
It’s not correct state s/he has a verbal IQ lower than 120 but his/her vocabulary and content tend to be convergent, simple and technical via shorter texts. Still not bad. At least s/he is not that diploma philosopher who overabuse of sophistrycation.
You’re not giving people who are merely bright enough credit. There are lots of 120s journos and PhDs capable of writing coherent text.
Even barely-literate retards like Ibram X. Kendi can express coherent, albeit tediously stupid, ideas.
pp, thanks for the attention to the comment, but I think you’re looking at this wrong when you say:
“The problem with this is there are probably about 10,000 genetic variants associated with IQ so you’d would have to edit about 1000 of them just to raise IQ 10 points.”
Maybe the following SEVERELY simplified model will explain the faults with this logic.
Let’s suppose that there are 10,000 genes which affect intelligence, each of which has a “Heads” allele that increases IQ by some identical minuscule amount, and a “Tails” allele that does nothing. Let’s also assume that these alleles are the only factors which influence intelligence, are independently and identically distributed, and everybody at conception receives either allele with 50% probability.
WolframAlpha will now help us crunch some numbers: https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=probability+of+%3E%3D5000+heads+in+10000+flips
The average person will have 5,000 Heads alleles, which necessarily corresponds to an IQ of 100 relative to whatever population is under consideration. What’s important to realize here is that the distribution of total Heads alleles is very narrow because of the huge numbers of events being aggregated. Only about 2.3% of rolls will have 5,100 or more Heads, corresponding to an IQ of about 130. At 5,160 Heads, we’re at about IQ 150 (that’s me!), and by ~5,300 heads we’re talking about Chris Langan
or Rick Rosner levels of rarity.
Now let’s say we locate 1,000 of the 10,000 genomic loci associated with intelligence and alter an embryo to have the Heads allele at each of them. Assuming that the embryo already had Heads at half of those loci by chance, we’ll now have a genome with 5,500 Heads alleles. The probability of “flipping” that many or more IQ-alleles by dumb luck is about 7.8*10^-24. My z-score tables don’t go that far, but I don’t think I need to specify an IQ to make my point about the exceeding rarity.
Again, this is an extremely simplified model, but I hope it clarifies my point, which is that fixing just a few events in a distribution can drastically alter the “meta-distribution,” i.e., the distribution of aggregations of that distribution. Or whatever the statistical terminology is.
Also, additive calculations like “change 1/10th of the alleles to raise IQ by 1/10th” are meaningless, since IQ isn’t an interval scale. Always remember that IQs are masqueraded percentiles.
Another thing I forgot to mention is that I don’t see how altering an adult’s DNA could make them smarter. It would be like changing the blueprint of an already built machine.
I’ve had the idea of growing neurons from pluripotent stem cells and attaching them to an existing brain. If it could be done, that should result in IQ gains limited only by how many of the saltatory bois could be vat-grown and glia-glued onto the prefrontal cortex.
I heard you could genetically edit some traits in adults
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/amp.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/scientists-take-steps-toward-gene-editing-therapy-adults/
That’s surprising and fascinating, although I’d need to see more evidence (indirect or otherwise) before being persuaded that it could be feasible for the sort of large-scale brain modifications we’d need for this purpose.
Great comment. This article I wrote four years ago has a lot of very relevant details that your comment reminded me of:
https://pumpkinperson.com/2016/04/02/genetically-engineering-super-smart-humans/
The raw scores on IQ tests are not typically ordinal scales but they are forced to fit a bell curve because it’s assumed that intelligence itself is an interval scale. If it weren’t, IQ wouldn’t enjoy a linear relationship with ratio scales like brain size, reaction, total vocabulary, digit span etc.
You remember stuff from an article you wrote 4 years ago? I can’t remember stuff from 4 weeks ago.
My theory about big brains corresponding to more memory and better multitasking than regular sized brains…seems to be right. You have super memory. You are also in my opinion a very good multitasker.
If Nature abhors a vacuum, then She adores a normal distribution.
Nonetheless, a general trend that you can observe whenever you have the actual “raw scores” is that natural distributions tend to approximate normality within like plus or minus 1.5 to 3 sigma around the mean, but beyond that, you see a greater frequency of extreme events than would ever be expected with a strict bell curve. An excellent example is individual income, where the richest people might be thousands or millions of standard deviations above the mean, which in a hypothetical normal distribution effectively occur with probability 0.
Another example, which is more relevant since it’s a polygenic trait much like intelligence, is height. The tallest person in recorded history, Robert Wadlow, was 8’11” at his death, which according to this calculator is about 13 standard deviations above the mean: https://tall.life/height-percentile-calculator-age-country/
Similarly, I would expect that the underlying distribution of “raw” intelligence scores has a long right tail, with the world’s most intelligent people being way more than like 5-7 standard deviations above the mean as they would be when forced onto a normal distribution. Normalizing scores may be meaningful when you’re dealing with average people, as professional psychometricians overwhelmingly do, but it’s almost certainly a worthless approach when dealing with sigmas you can’t count with the fingers and opposable thumb on one hand. And that’s the level of hyper-exceptional intelligence which would be necessary in order to make a single-embryo “Kwisatz Haderach” gene editing program, like I proposed, worthwhile. Of course, if we’re talking about something on a much larger scale, then even a tiny boost in intelligence could have huge societal ramifications, as has been demonstrated in The Bell Curve.
Also, I tend to suspect that the linear relationship between IQ, in the sense of “g”, and those other indicators you mentioned breaks down at the extreme high ends of all of them. In this respect I’d like to mention that the most exceptionally g-loaded people I know have always demonstrated little interest in chronometrics, and the best performers I know on tests like those from HumanBenchmark consistently act like morons. Again, elementary cognitive tasks, digit span, etc., may be excellent indicators of g for normal people, but I think that they’re too superficial for discriminating between the super-intelligent.
Robert Wadlow had a disease. Among the biologically normal population height & IQ are arguably normally distributed even at the extremes. And the distribution of raw scores on tests can be misleading unless said scores are an interval/ratio scale.
The rich are not as many SDs from the mean as you think, they just seem that way because the richest people are so rare that their incomes are not included in the samples from which the SD is calculated.
But yes, economic success is not normally distributed though as swank argued, it was probably much more so in hunter/gather times when life was more natural.
Yes, Robert Wadlow had a disease; that’s almost isomorphic to the point I was trying to make, which is that there might be a few super-intelligent people in the world due to causes that differ from those which determine variation in intelligence between “normal” people. For example, if someone had a novel mutation which made their neurons much more “powerful,” or an abnormally large head, or something along those lines. The cause of such an extremity might or might not be pathological.
Life is always natural
Jees
Many people think more natural means more primitive or in natura. Nature is everywhere even in human madness.
Also, the genomic loci with bigger effect sizes are easier to find, so changing them would have a disproportionately large effect.
Good thinking
Anyway, I think the best answers are:
Grass : Cattle :: Bread : Humans (or maybe People but I think Humans is best)
Pupil : Teacher :: Aristotle : Plato (without Googling!)
Sadly PP don’t know what general knowledge is.
Comparison skill is not general/ chrystallized “knowledge” ( acquired information)
Of course you need minimal knowledge of words meaning but comparative reasoning is way more hardwired than language. Interestingly huge part of human (and maybe nonhuman) intelligence is the basic capacity to catch pattern differences to better evaluate them based on given criteria.
I think in this aspect conservies seems better than progressives on avg. People can call comparative reasoning as heuristics but now i don’t know how correct this statement is.
Knowledge is not exactly the same as information.
“IQ is just a White middle class test ” = information
“IQ is NOT just a White middle class test” = knowledge
You can have an “elephant memory” and can retrieve and recover/remember lots of semantic and autobiographical memories. It’s doesnt mean you know with relative precision what is information and what is knowledge.
Why covid chingling kill more overweight people? Also because overweightness accelerate biological aging.
There is no reason to use the word ‘measure’ if you can’t state the specified measured object, the object of measurement and the measurement unit for IQ. ‘Genetic IQ’ is also, of course, nonsense.
Measure =/= compare or rank
IQ is based on comparison and ranking.
Emotion, an intangible thing, is “imeasurable”??
Numeric values from psychometric evaluation are mere figurative if What’s matter here is the ranking or hierarchization.
Someone must tell to IQists that “number IQ” are not real.
Anyone remember when RR was going to respond to my article challenging this notion?
If i was from french government i would prepare millions of crisis actors to act like fake converted muslims and slowly would deport half of real muslims specially the most troublesome. But aryans are very creative..
If i was “hbd chick” would limit myself to tweet only cousin marriage stuff…
False equivalence and cynicism are rooted features of “conservatives”…
How does mugabe stomach pdx weather?
Rain in the forecast for 13 straight days starting monday.
Where I’m at (the SE) it’s gonna be unseasonably mild for the next 2 weeks or so. We might go til December without a hard freeze which is super rare.
Winter’s supposed to be very warm, too. Across most of the country I think.
Has pp had a freeze in Ottawa yet?
It briefly snowed a couple days after Halloween but then really warmed up by weekend. Still outdoor bbq weather.
i hope trump gets james baker. that guy is fucking scary.
I would not be surprised if Mug had an absence of genitalia due to his overwhelming obsession with the subject.
Also Indian people ugly as shit right Mug? Maybe theyll need gene editing to fix their faces….might go a lot further than plastic surgery.
indians aren’t ugly as shit.
YOU are ugly as shit.
and since when are you an indian?
Ive mentioned many-a-times that my dad was born in India….which accompanies the fact that my mother’s family are originally from Uttar Pradesh going back two generations before the establishment of Pakistan.
Regardless I am not ugly most Indians are ugly though. Most Indians are terribly deficient in looks whereas I used to be an exception to that for the majority of my life.
mickey kaus said “saying there’s voter fraud in philly is like saying it’s chilly in alaska.”
so trump was right about philly.
i have read WI and allegheny county had ridonkulous turnouts, close to 90%. this has been explained as due to vote by mail, but…
oregon was the first state to make vote by mail universal in 2000 and general election turnout was unaffected. it’s always been about 80%.
Click to access Voter_Turnout_History_General_Election.pdf
You niggas is grasping at straws it is so pathetic.
Russia gate has evidence. This doesn’t. Sad!
“Russia gate has evidence. This doesn’t. Sad!”
Literallly no evidence aside from the CIA saying it was a bunch of russians. Julian Assange has indicated it was not the russians. So keep living in la la land.
Blame algorythm by popularity of right wing media in digital world = russian hackers “interfered” in 2016 american elections…
As happens with most of “stupid” people majority of progressivs can’t accept when they are wrong. Self criticism is just painful for them.
What would be the advantages for russian autocrats the trump victory??
And that’s the main thing I see people not understand about Russiagate.
Putin was using Trump to create more division amongst Americans because it benefits them for us to lose power. It doesn’t matter if Trump wins.
the most retarded thing about russiagate is even if it’s true there’s no way to say it had any effect on the outcome, and those were podesta’s emails…so the claim is really, “if the electorate had been kept in the dark and information withheld from them then they’d’ve voted for hildebeest.” reeeee-taaaaar-ded!
USA is already polarized before Trump election. Trump won because many people were or are tired about leftist contradictions and promises and as they don’t have another/better alternative they chose the first who attack the stablishment (economic “moderate” right and cultural “moderate” left). Even among graduated White women Trump gained republican votes/more than ever.[in/2016].
Algorythm conspiracy is another way progressivist activists, politicians and academics blame others, less themselves, by their faillure to become stably popular among the masses. They argue that artificial inteligence of social media has manipulated the people to watch or follow right wing blogs, YouTube Channels or Facebook pages while it’s not difficult to understand why.
The next ideological battle will be in France and i bet in Le Pen by obvious reasons…
i’m very concerned that THAT’S NOT WHAT SHE SAID!
YOU FUCKING LYING CUNT.
Studies of identical and fraternal twins suggest up to 80% of variation in height is genetic.
!=
ONE study of identical and fraternal twins FOUND THE variation in height “explained by genes” was 80%. this is the highest found in such studies.
LEARN TO SPEAK FUCKING ENGLISH!
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NOTHING CAN EVER suggest up to 80% of variation in height is genetic BECAUSE THE VARIATION IS ALWAYS UP TO 100% GENETIC!
NONE OF PEEPEE GRANDPARENTS COULD SPEAK ENGLISH.
I’M VERY CONCERNED PEEPEE THINKS SHE CAN SPEAK ENGLISH.
Because autism (or schizophrenia or both) you get very confused by figures of speech.
because can’t speak english you think “suggest up to” is a figure of speech meaning “…the highest is”.
Suggests up to = the highest it suggests.
What’s so hard to understand?
apparently one must be afflicted by autism and/or schizophrena in order to speak english.
Suggests up to = the highest it suggests.
jesus christ you’re dumb.
you don’t understand the meaning of “suggests”.
Suggest: “cause one to think that (something) exists or is the case”
Twin studies cause one to think heritability is anywhere from 0.4 to 0.8
Thus they cause one to think it’s up to 0.8
I feel like I’m teaching a class for the severely disabled
So how can someone with such high GRE scores be so dumb? I’ve long suggested that whatever rare genetic mutation increased his g, did so at the expense of more specific neurological abilities, particularly communicative ones since these evolved recently and thus are still genetically fragile. Indeed Chomsky thinks language is only 80,000 years old. I think certain subtle aspects of language like grasping complex sentence structure might be recent
I want to be your Pocahontas,Marlon!
as a gay man santo,
at what point did marlon become UN-sexy?
When he died
Poor man
There are rumors and not just that that he was bissex and even had a brief case with James Dean. I would like to be a chicungunya to watch them in action lol
Au
https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/mind-matters-menninger/202011/autism-spectrum-disorder-uncovering-hidden-internal-world
there’s the claim that the GOP controlled legislatures of PA, GA, NC, AZ, WI, MI could theoretically override the election results.
the one site i found claiming thiswas wrong claimed this could only be done prior to election day. this is obviously totally made up.
so maybe swank can explain why the legislatures can’t override the election.
Blue also games that Red would immediately embark on a single-minded path ahead: regiment an army of lawyers demanding access to every registration roll to scrub, review and verify each and every mail-in ballot, a process of de facto forensic analysis.
Yet Blue cannot foresee how many fake ballots will be unveiled during recounts.
nassau, suffolk, and richmond/staten island went for trump. fairfield went for biden big time. ventura and oragne county went for biden big time.
why is tarqi nasheed claiming fraud?
btw, from a stats pov judit polgar proved that a woman is totally capable of winning the world chess championship…just like borzov won the 1972 100 and 200.
it’s just that talent isn’t enough (unless you’re capablanca) in chess, and slaving away atudying chess is something only pimply boys do.
AZ “official” total trump is down 18,610.
ONLY!
so from a kayfabe pov it would be weird if trump conceded…but is it expected that biden is celebrating…
(btw, the AP is retarded.)
another possibility as mentioned by owen shroyer is trump is still president.
he can simply arrest biden.
The entire world has gone into a state of euphoria over trump losing. He’s done.
can you stop lying? are you capable of not lying?
50% of americans want biden in prison and lots of forwigners like trump. chinese, brits, israelis, russians, etc.
Mug of Pee is too disabled to differentiate obvious exaggeration from lies even though he routinely engages in the former.
Lmao you’re so stupid.
Puppy are you still a libertarian?
Never was
You said you were socially liberal and economically conservative.
I’m leftwing on social, economic and especially foreign policy issues
Most of the comments on this blog don’t reflect high intelligence, which is an extremely conspicuous trait. Even pp himself only strikes me as being in the high 130s, and his level of comprehension is several toposophic strata above the vast majority of his commenters. This leaves me with two possibilities to consider, and I’m not sure which is scarier:
1. People attracted to a blog like this mostly don’t have well-above-average IQ’s, apparently implying that smart people tend to not care about the importance of their smartness.
2. These commenters DO tend to be smarter than your average bear. If the average person is substantially dumber than the typical peanut gallery resident here, that is just pathetic and depressing.
I should start charging money to grace comment sections with my 99.95%-ile g-loading. $1.49 a minute sounds about right for renting this exceptional human capital. No, on second thought, make that $1.49 per second of thought.
Back to what I said in the opening paragraph about intelligence being an extremely conspicuous trait, I’d like to try guessing people’s IQs from their writings. I’m pretty sure I could usually get it within plus or minus half a standard deviation.
This person is maybe even more narcissistic than loaded which is saying something.
lol
He mean
“I’m envious about you guys”
Never trust in someone with anime/manga avatar. This is becoming like a quasi psychiatric trait. [autism]
Autistic tends to be extremely megalomaniacal.
Big comments to say nothing or to confuse something in the middle and then say nothing relevant anyway.
IQ intelligence is overrated.
I’m the IQ dumbest of my brothers and know lots of high IQ people included my parents too. None of them are insightful as i’m. It’s doesnt mean i feel superior if creativity is often a very passive feature of mind. Most of my insights came to me without any apparent effort. My intense imaginative and obsessive introspection play a important role. The “daemon” shit.
Most people in universities who are among the brightest there, are social status seekers who have little creativity potential. It’s happens with seems majority of highly IQ intelligent people. The two biggest tricks they use is
Display higher mathematical convergent performance
And specially higher gramatical performance
to Impress people
Autistic tends to be extremely megalomaniacal.
Megalomania seems more like a schiz trait than an autistic one.
I’m the IQ dumbest of my brothers and know lots of high IQ people included my parents too. None of them are insightful as i’m.
Insight is only one part of intelligence. Maybe they’re better than you linguistically or mathematically and living independently
PP,
Insightfulness is one of the greatest part of human intelligence. Lol
Without insight You would be walking naked , living inside the caves and communicating by nonverbal signals..
PP,
Because his or her IQism s/he despise creativity as a fundamental part of human intelligence.
Jeez can you be more elaborated??
You have a highly insightful individual for several years in your blog but you can’t apreciate or understand this properly. Sad.
I know most of my insights are just interesting and probably not “scientiifcally replicable” but trying the philosophy is the same to say some obvious things by different ways and or perspectives.
They are significantly socially adjusted than me but they are mostly normies. Do you understood what i said??
[redacted by pp, nov 8, 2020]
[redacted by pp, nov 8, 2020]
???
lol, it attracts a lot of smart low-achievers. We’re way too fucking lazy to write thousand-word comments about gene editing. We’d rather talk about the [redacted by pp, nov 8, 2020] or just play video games.
Former regular commenter “pumpkinhead” would be a good debate partner.
I’m not a low achiever . I already wrote many texts and poetry specially in my mother tongue since ~ 2015. But because genetics is not my forte then i don’t risk myself too much writing about it. I prefer work by conceptual approachings than with an area that require long term specialization.
Santo youre a total hypocrite if anything. Brazilians are far more primitive than American blacks and have the social IQ of a pencil. Zero social awareness from this group of people and always a need to dominate.
Blacks in America at least have some foundation of the social rules of a society whereas Brazilians do not.
Lol keep wildling
Santo are you east asian or what? What is your ethnicity?
he’s said he’s “nippobrownzilian”. this means he’s quadracial. white, japanese, black, native.
Mostly ”white”
I was in apricity blog some years ago and submited a votation about my ethnicity, if i look white or something else..
Nearly 100% of them said me i look mostly White med and alpine based on “european subraces”.
S
Ganzir, give my comments a look and then an IQ estimate. I’d be very amused to know what a 99.95 percentiler thinks of a man such as myself, on the notion of intelligence or otherwise.
High 120s
Wow.
Thats much higher than what Ive gotten from others on this blog but I think skews towards greater accuracy than those estimates.
What makes you think Im in the high 120s Ganzir? What indicators of high intelligence do I display?
Thanks so much btw for answering my question. Its interesting that highly intelligent people usually fulfill their promises far more than their less intelligent counterparts!
So cruel
Yes, and not just that they fulfill promises more consistently, but also that they have much richer intellectual content to provide pertaining to them.
Here’s how I estimated your IQ: You seem to be about as intelligent as a typical person who attends my university in my major (Computer Science), and that group’s IQ probably averages in the high 120s.
Although it adumbrates what “Oprahtion MalalaKamala” said about my estimate being “So cruel,” I don’t consider 125-129 “high intelligence,” not by a long shot. People in that range are just barely capable of gathering their own information and coming to their own conclusions. Greater forms of abstract thought, culminating in profound comprehension of everything through general principles and the ability to make intellectual contributions which substantially uplift humanity, only become possible at perhaps another standard deviation higher, by my estimation. Still, the capacity to think for yourself, even at a comparatively shallow level and while being prone to mistakes when dealing with complex novel concepts, is far beyond those below the 120s. At best, the sub-120 group can be taught to use abstractions which are simple and don’t have to be extended far beyond their original purpose, such as grade-school arithmetic. Mostly, though, the vast majority of humanity is confined to the “est vir qui adest” style of information processing, to an extent so severe that I can hardly imagine their limitations.
I should add that when I say people above/below a certain IQ level can/can’t do something, what I mean is that there are strong *probabilistic thresholds* associated with roughly that range. Somebody with an IQ of 119 might be able to effectively gather and infer information independently, while somebody with an IQ of 124 might fail at it. But in general, falling above or below a certain point will very likely engender qualitative differences in cognition, and falling substantially below that point will almost guarantee non-presence of the associated mode of thought.
Oooh oooh do me!
Thank you for that thorough analysis. I do indeed agree with all points made and think that it places me in an awkward position, just barely being able to grasp the important aspects but not being able to materialize them as well as someone with a higher IQ.
This whole process was not only entertaining but immensely insightful. Hope to see more comments from you in the future fellow PP enthusiast.
134
University or special education??
Cheesus Kraistus
What level of thought are people in my IQ range capable of?
Can you describe the quality of it?
I don’t feel like analyzing enough of your comments to accurately estimate your IQ, so give me your best guess of your own IQ or a long piece of writing which you believes accurately represents your level of comprehension, and I’ll work from there.
LOL
Well I’ve wrote a couple guest posts on here.
https://pumpkinperson.com/2020/07/03/neural-properties-of-the-mind-part-1-by-king-melo/
Most recent one^
You into Neuroscience at all?
134 was my estimation for you, melo, based largely off that post. I was replying to illuminaticatblog but the wordpress commenting system is pepega so it might’ve looked like it was directed at you.
https://pumpkinperson.com/2017/03/28/artificial-intelligence-by-animekitty-illuminati-cat/
https://pumpkinperson.com/2020/05/20/philosophic-composition-2016-by-animekitty/
as with tilden vs hayes trump can still win nthe election, but he’s likely part of “the work” and therefore will only fake an effort to win.
nixon ran again in ’68 and won. but trump will be as old as biden is now in 2024.
people may think that trump’s power is melting and was never solid, but limited power can win when it’s well organized…the coordination of the pieces…chess is like life.
as with tilden vs hayes trump wins if he chooses to win, but he’s likely part of “the work” and therefore will only fake an effort to win.
but this means the show isn’t over.
nixon ran again in ’68 and won. but trump will be as old as biden is now in 2024.
people may think that trump’s power is melting and was never solid, but limited power can win when it’s well organized…the coordination of the pieces…chess is like life.
libertarian economics was called “liberal” 100 years ago.
the “liberal” economy has the TERROR of poverty.
the soviet union had the TERROR of the gulag.
the “liberal” economy has CLASSISM.
the soviet union has I’M A BETTER COMMUNIST THAN YOU.
the “liberal” economy has billionaires.
the soviet union has NOMENKLATURA.
they’re both fake and gay and evil because anti-democratic.
hegel wins.
alex jones and [redacted by pp, nov 8, 2020] have mentioned hegel in the last two days.
”the “liberal” economy has the TERROR of poverty.”
hahahahahahaha
Economic liberalism
“Reduce the State size for people…But not for me (enterpresariat)”
Hey PP, I was wondering if you’re interested (or planning to) in doing an IQ estimation again, for a famous person. If so, I had mentioned Fermat, but I’d love to give many options that interest me. Cool if you want to take a break from it, of course.
Interesting answers and awful psychiatrist.
I got the pupil/teacher question right. The Grass/cattle question is a puzzle. Help.
who eats grass and who eats bread?
A person with a psychology degree isn’t going to get work. My observation is that clinical and occupational psychologists tend to have way more credentials than a bachelors.
If you let me test you via email, I’ll be more than happy to enlighten you
If you admit [redacted by pp, nov 9, 2020] I will do your test.
Deal. Now create an email I can contact you at
Wow I can’t believe you are open to that. But sadly, on reflection I don’t want to do the deal as I already know my own IQ.
These tests would reveal a lot more than just your IQ
id actually be interested in this
Test? Via e-mail? pp I want to hear more about this!
Its an autism/aspergers inventory test thats why Pill made the remark that psychologists are not reliable without a higher form of education because PP is testing him.
Theyve discusses this many times here on this very blog.
No it’s not
I’m procrastinating about doing a piece of work I was given. This is going to go on for the rest of my career. They say its a sign I should be doing something else but I generally think I have some sort of ADD type condition. Many people are capable of doing work that I can’t do due to it being tedious. I think the ADD condition is an outgrowth of schiz in the same way that autistic people have laser concentration and never get bored.
Yeah that’s part of the reason why I think I might be schizotypal. I have to pomodoro(?) everything I do because I physically can’t focus on something for more than 15 minutes.
I was on ritalin for a little while but I had to quit because I got hooked. Addiction is common among schiz types, too.
I think the ADD is a result of impaired executive functioning.
Borderlands 3 looks like it has as much content as a typical RPG. After 5 hours yesterday I started to feel a bit nauseous. FPS aren’t meant to be played that long.
I think I’ve played this game almost as long as skyrim at this stage and still have 3 expansions to do. Christ.
You picked the stormcloaks didn’t you?
Don’t fucking lie.
Yup
I think ive hit the sweet spot for intelligence. Having a designer baby would be cool bc its like playing in the stock market and playing sports at the same time.
Have I been banned?
not yet
Still gotta work on it?
Where are all my comments?
I’m flattered Pill cares so much what I think of him that he’s terrified of scoring poorly on one of my tests. I’m like the father he wishes he had and is so afraid of disappointing.
Or mother
Perfect music exists.
Anyone who accesses it must be extremely brilliant.