I’m almost done my post on Angela Merkel, but I thought I would do a quick post about genetics and IQ. Commenter Afrosapiens asked how we know there are 10,000 genes (actually genetic variants) for intelligence, instead of say 13,000, 15,000 or 20,000. I found an article by Dr. Steve Hsu where he answered this very question.
Apparently, when scientists do a Genome Wide Complex Trait Analysis (GCTA), which is a technique where a sample of people are assigned to pairs, and then the phenotype-genotype difference in all the pairs is correlated, they can determine the number of single nucleotide polymorphisms (SNPs) that are associated with a one standard deviation difference in phenotype. On the IQ scale, a one standard deviation difference is about 15 IQ points. Once they know how many SNPs are associated with a 15 point IQ difference, they square that number of SNPs to estimate the total number of cognitive variants. So apparently, a difference of 100 SNPs has been associated with a 15 point IQ difference and since 1002 is 10,000, they estimate IQ is associated with 10,000 genetic variants.
Now you may be wondering why they square the number of variants that “cause” a one standard deviation IQ difference. I assume it’s because the standard deviation squared is known as the variance, thus you have to square the number of SNPs that cause one SD change in IQ, to estimate how many cause the total variance in IQ.
Now I’m confused because in this source Hsu writes:
Average pairwise genetic distance changes with mean IQ and IQ difference: ∼ 39 SNPs per population SD
So in one source he’s saying that 100 SNPs are associated with a 1 SD change in IQ, but in another source he’s saying 39 SNPs. Perhaps this is just an example of regression working both ways? In other words people with a 100 SNP difference average a 15 IQ point difference, and people with a 15 IQ point difference average a 39 SNP difference. Kind of like parents with an IQ of 125 average kids with an IQ of 115 but kids with an IQ of 115 average parents with an IQ of 109.
But this is where it gets really interesting. Hsu writes:
Given that there are many thousands of potential positive variants, the implication is clear: If a human being could be engineered to have the positive version of each causal variant, they might exhibit cognitive ability which is roughly 100 standard deviations above average. This corresponds to more than 1,000 IQ points.
I don’t follow the math here. If there are only 10,000 variants, and 100 variants causes a one SD increase in IQ, then to be 100 standard deviations above average, wouldn’t you need 10,000 more positive variants than the average person? But I thought there were only 10,000 variants in total so wouldn’t that imply the average person has no positive variants?
Can someone please explain.
In any event, if they ever were successful genetically engineering someone with an IQ 100 standard deviations above average, it would probably immediately die from an over-sized brain.
as i’ve commented on lion’s blog a year or more ago,
shoe is a lunatic…and this is the proof.
peepee! you don’t even understand the math that you think you understand.
let alone the math that you think you don’t understand.
but it’s alright, everything is alright, peepee has won the victory over herself.
she loves Big Brother.
if peepee wants to be a big girl, she should post on how a lunatic like shoe can achieve what he’s achieved…and how such accomplished lunatics are unique to the US.
peepee! you don’t even understand the math that you think you understand.
let alone the math that you think you don’t understand.
Then explain it to me. I work with people like you everyday. They have the best math credentials from the finest schools, but when it comes to a truly conceptual problem, they always find an excuse to miss work that day.
Show us what you can do!
wtf?
i thought you were rich.
you sound like a social worker.
Do social workers work with math people? Hell NO!
and more than that…
shoe is a “socially retarded” lunatic.
why?
because he doesn’t realize the obvious…
that whatever one’s innate ability, his intellectual development is limited by the society he lives in…by the current level of development of human societies in general…of civilization…
shoe imagines that were such an IQ = 1600 person placed into a band of hunter gatherers 10,000 years ago he would immediately learn latin and greek (even though there were no such languages at that time) and build a nuclear bomb…
the guy is either:
1. a crazy motherfucker
OR
2. not that bright.
OR BOTH.
shoe imagines that were such an IQ = 1600 person placed into a band of hunter gatherers 10,000 years ago he would immediately learn latin and greek (even though there were no such languages at that time) and build a nuclear bomb…
I don’t think he thinks that. I think he believes that someone who is +100 SD above the average IQ in whatever culture they live in, will be expected to academically accomplish +57 SD more than the average person of that culture, assuming IQ and academic accomplishments correlate around 0.57 in most cultures.
Now being +57 SD above the mean of stone age accomplishments might still be pretty modest accomplishments. The average Nobel Prize winner today is probably thousands of SDs more academically accomplished than the average caveman, but because of culture, not genes.
Cultural landscape will be different of course but the cognitive capacity to learn will be the same.
the phenotype (”iq” and ”culture”) will be different, but the cognitive level for learn will be the same.
the unique experiences (always unique) will be (always) different, for sure.
Humans and specially those who are more creative (creativer) have this relative capacity to live in very different environments and to produce very different AND deep life-experiences. Specially for adaptative creative (many them are psychopaths, astuteness is a kind of adaptative-evolutionary creative).
Creativers perceive more and the probability that they can produce very very different life-path will be very higher. A lot of great men of literature and even science
led very poor lives financially.
Combine higher perceptual capacity with higher moral intolerance with current cultural landscape. Common recipe for inborn genius and life-failures.
The failure is in the genes****
For some people, very likely, some people have very bad luck in their bio-combination during pregnancy.
This people i like to define as ”diabete type 1” or ”inborn”. Some people literally born like that, other people born with invariably relative disposition to become like that (diabetes type 2).
For other people and a lot of other people, no.
It’s explain why creative ideas tend to be so unique, because they happen in very singular period in a space and time, unique events and why creativers tend to take note about ”her’ all the time. Human extempore (creativity). Specially for the ”adaptative creative” because some types of creativers will tend to be one of the least adaptative. The tolerance with cultural landscape define the level of conformity or ”adaptation” in macro and hierarchically assymetric environments.
What humans have as differential, singular-mark (one of), is the comparative (with other non-human animals) and extended capacity to re-learn, re-think and reduce their mistakes, less for me with mein aenglische, 😉
Learn and use classical dead-languages is phenotypical, appropriate genes, temperament or motivation and environment. You need appropriate genes (read: higher verbal iq or mutation for polyglotism), motivation ( specific personality or temperament for example, cultural openess … just try to teach a typical and very socially conservative to be curious with other cultures… try … of course there is exceptions), latin or classical greek books and many times some teacher.
Intelligence is inherited, what you to do with her depend
– environment : living confortably in a bostonian suburb or in civil wars or luck,
– to be perceived and accepted by others, a lot of very shy smart people no have any public or at least millieux-public visualization and many people think that ”intelligence” is just math, verb and spatial rotation,
– what kind of cognitive specificity you’re prone to engage,
– your wisdom level, capacity to understand thyself, the basis for stupidity (anti-wisdom) and genius (very self-knowledge AND with greater reasoning or other cognitive capacity).
The wise people are not those who don’t buy wrong ideas or thoughts, but those who perceive quickly or inevitably that this ideas or thoughts are not correct.
The left right, feminine masculine dichotomy (which are very mutually correlated) is like the tectonic plate that separate generally talking the cognitive styles of human beings. Of course there are tons of mix between both in the main of this spectrum but specially among ”average” people this macro-division look very obvious.
as if there weren’t other signs…
1. shoe is a first generation chinese american.
2. he loves guns.
3. he loves “ultimate fighting”.
4. he gave up teaching positions twice…once to start the company that made him 10m USD or whatever…the second to become an administrator.
5. he travels constantly…yet he has children…and a wife…
wtf kind of douche bag is always travelling when he has kids?
yet another example of how the best parents seldom have chillens.
SHOE’S BEHAVIOR IS SO REMINISCENT OF MY OWN ON SPEED…I WONDER…
1. i wonder if shoe is speed-ing.
2. more seriously…i wonder if the effect speed had on me is something some people have without it…if some people are basically speed freaks without the speed.
3. because shoe’s itinerary screams speed freak.
wtf kind of douche bag is always travelling when he has kids?
He has the most fascinating job in the World: Finding genes for IQ. I’d be willing to constantly travel if I got to do that kind of work.
y’all should speed if you haven’t.
i just asked my PCP for it…and he Rx-ed it.
if there’s some sub-population for whom everyday life is like being on speed…
their IQs and “conscientiousness” and whatever…
are irrelevant…
these folks will be “winners”.
i myself value my 8-12 h of sleep per day…so i didn’t refill my Rx.
peepee thinks me dumber than she and some kind of mash-up of all DSM categories…
the truth is as Prince Andrei put it…
which i can’t find on the inter-jews…
all my life i have chosen death.
“He has the most fascinating job in the World: Finding genes for IQ.”
Shoe’s job would be even more fascinating if he had some training in genetics and neuroscience.
Shoe’s job would be even more fascinating if he had some training in genetics and neuroscience.
And your comments would be a lot more fascinating if you had some knowledge of any science at all.
peepee thinks me dumber than she and some kind of mash-up of all DSM categories…
You’re definitely mentally ill. Most of my commenters are, but you REALLY are. And no, it’s not that you’re just so much smarter than everyone that they think you’re mentally, ill, it’s that you really are mentally ill. Even people who like you and think you’re very smart, also think you’re mentally ill. Nobody who knows you thinks you’re not.
And yes, your mental illness is genetic. And yes they will find genes for it once they have a sample of a million people. In fact in about a decade. there’ll be a new paper published every week on the genetic basis of your mental illness. And yes the genes will replicate in different countries. You’d be mentally ill no matter what culture you were born in, though some cultures might not have a name for it. Primitive cultures would just assume you were possessed by demons, and they’d sacrifice you to the Gods. At least in this culture you can get help, but you’re too arrogant to take it.
and what mental illness is that peepee?
Even people who like you and think you’re very smart, also think you’re mentally ill. Nobody who knows you thinks you’re not.
you don’t know anyone who knows me peepee.
compulsive lying is a mental illness in itself and a sign of mental illness.
the FACTS:
1. peepee is trans
2. peepee is a compulsive liar
3. peepee has a very low IQ
4. peepee is not white, but she is trans-white
5. peepee visits a “support group” on a regular basis.
6. peepee has diagnosed MOST of her readers even though she’s never met one of them and has no qualifications.
7. she’s diagnosed me as
a. ocd
b. scz
c. gay
d. alcoholic
stop lying and check yourself into a mental hospital already peepee tard, but there’s no cure for your mental retardation or compulsive lying which both i and misdreavus have diagnosed.
peepee also diagnosed me as autistic.
i’m sure there’s some DSM category i’m forgetting.
oh right.
peepee also thinks i’m a sociopath.
so here it is folks:
i’m a gay alcoholic schizophrenic autistic sociopath with OCD.
peepee knows…like The Shadow apparently.
except she doesn’t know any one who knows me.
and what mental illness is that peepee?
Don’t know. All I know is you’re WACKO, and you sound like you’re on CRACKO.
you don’t know anyone who knows me peepee.
compulsive lying is a mental illness in itself and a sign of mental illness.
You’re too unsubtle to know the difference between a lie and an assertion. But that doesn’t surprise me since you flunked the only actual IQ test you’ve ever taken: The WISC.
But then you have an excuse:
You’re nuts.
you need deep dicking peepee.
eventually peepee will give in to her female nature.
she’ll stop pretending.
she’ll beg me to fuck her.
with my big white dick.
my God peepee needs some deep dicking.
it’s way over peepee’s head…
1. that guy who told peepee artists were so smart…is a moron.
2. the most accomplished within any society wherein intelligence per se is NOT selected for and esteemed above all other psychological traits…
are ipso facto…
NOT the smartest.
3. but the desire of the accomplished, those who would be accomplished, and the prevailing ideology proclaims that…
at least some of the rich and famous and accomplished are the smartest.
this “promethian” you were talking to needs to be fucked in the ass until he, or she, begs for more.
Interesting chat
This post is extraterrestrial…
“Can someone please explain.”
Not me, my field of expertise is European business law. I have good knowledge of world cultures and history, economics, political science, classical humanities and many other things that deal with the real world, but I admit that I’m quite a noob when it comes to astrology.
“In any event, if they ever were successful genetically engineering someone with an IQ 100 standard deviations above average, it would probably immediately die from an over-sized brain.”
Pffff… smh. Désespérant.
Anyway, I’m waiting for pee pee to keep the conversation we had on the prvious post going on.
Not me, my field of expertise is European business law.
In other words you’re an expert on bullshit, and have no real academic knowledge whatsoever.
I have good knowledge of world cultures and history, economics, political science, classical humanities and many other things that deal with the real world,
You don’t know shit about the real world. You were adopted by a rich White family and never had to work a day in your life. You’re a privileged, pampered, spoiled, whiny little brat, who cries when he’s told how the real world works.
Anyway, I’m waiting for pee pee to keep the conversation we had on the prvious post going on.
Sounds good.
that’s my area of expertise too.
what a coincidence.
luckily i speak all of the eurozone languages and have an office a block from the european parliament.
i play squash with mario draghi.
he sucks.
my other area of expertise is the ouvre of ron jeremy.
and all this for a farm boy from eastern kentucky.
the american meritocracy is an amazing thing.
there’s nothing bad or wrong about being a social worker peepee.
it’s just that they don’t tend to be paid very well.
if it were up to me they would be…or rather…
social work would be like investment banking…a sought after profession.
I am very skeptical about Hsu’s claims that there will be a 100 S.D. difference.
First, animal breeding experiments show that you can only “push” any particular trait only 2-4 S.D.’s above average. After that they tend to stabilize at an asymptote, a considerably higher one to be sure, but an asymptote nonetheless that no longer goes up over subsequent generations.
Second, there are no doubt just plain physiological limits to how big a cranium can get and how efficiently you can pack neurons within that space. The latest research I’ve seen BTW indicates that Hsu’s assumptions have been wrong and “correct” gene variants do actually become subject to diminishing returns as they accumulate. I recall reading a paper on this just a few weeks ago and I’m trying to find where I saved it.
Steve Hsu might disagree with your numbers. His article states:
The breeding of domesticated plants and animals has changed some populations by as much as 30 standard deviations. Broiler chickens, for example, have increased in size more than four times since 1957.
http://nautil.us/issue/18/genius/super_intelligent-humans-are-coming
But I agree +100 SD sounds quite absurd, especially since there’s already been so much selection for human intelligence, and our brains are already so big they are a physical hazard, especially during child birth..And also because intelligence is more complex than other traits.
Evolution don’t jump,
autism is to higher intelligence (i already talked about it) as albinism is to white northern european skin (specially the british skin).
Some times, i think we need more good hearers, those who are wise enough to be moderate-to-predominantly good to internalize correct information or facts, which are available, than a lot of hyper-((cognitively)) intelligent and those humans seems tend to be very complex and ineffective to concrete /short-term survive or better for both, concrete and abstract.
white european skin is bio-product of long-term selective pressures. Ponderation is good for health, for biological health too.
the main problem of humankind are the high functioning psychopaths… but the problem is that some-to-many of the traits which are common in anti-social personality are very relevant to produce many types of genius personality.
the best of human beings is not the ”smartest”, whatever what this really mean (what is smart for some species can be completely disastrious and dumb for others), or ”creativest”, but the complete one, those who surpass the binarism-dilema of human mind, those who are adaptable, biologically and mentally, for any known terrestrial environment and use efficiently their energies or have efficient metabolic system.
other possible aspect of supra-improvement in the distant future is about self-awareness, i really believe that complete free will can be completely possible if something is done about it, like, ”Tony have cancer and just with the power of the mind he can programme their own mind-body system to kill the sick cells”
And a world just with completely nice and good people (and naive) may have very problematic reverberations for us if the Earth were invaded or to do contact with suspicious extraterrestrial species.
Height in human societies is much about sexual status specially for men than intelligence itself, higher real-world reasoning skills.
Incidentally, I am amazed that you allow all these trolls to spam their negative value added comments to your blog with such wild abandon.
I moderate my own blog with a very light hand, but sometimes you have to draw a line, man! 😉
Maybe I do need to start moderating a bit.
The number 10,000 from 100^2 is simple matrix reasoning.
a positive gene association is only positive because of its relationship to all genes in a positive relationship. This means that genes associations are positive or negative in all relationships. Like PP has said before, total wealth has a coefficient of 0.4 with IQ. Think of each gene as a subtest of IQ that has a positive coefficient with all other genes (subtests). By combining all subtests (genes variants) you factorize FSIQ. And of course you must get pars from both parents on the same chromosome.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregor_Mendel
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mendelian_inheritance.svg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adjacency_matrix
maybe there are 10000 positive SNPs and 10000 negative ones like flipping a coin 10000 times. On average it’s a even admixture of both . you would need 5000 more positives than the average person. the SD is 50; 4950 – 5050 positives corresponds to an IQ between 85 and 115
Brilliant! I think that’s exactly how the model works.
there are a lot of different types of schizophrenia
and
and
and
a lot of different types of genes OR genetic combinations that produce/result in schizophrenia’s’, the golden gurrls.
similar situation may happen with intelligence’z’
a lot of genes or gene-combination for
”a just only one factor g” that is found in cognitive tests****
COMPLEX systems tend to implies DIVERSE
% of diffrrrent combinations
like homogeneous societies are different than heterogeneous, 😉
ABSTRACT tend to mean non-”’rock””-concret phenomena, like rocks have different visualization/view angles same happen with abstract phenomena.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amy_Biehl
Nelson Mandela said of Biehl,
“She made our aspirations her own and lost her life in the turmoil of our transition as the new South Africa struggled to be born in the dying moments of apartheid.”
http://thosewhocansee.blogspot.com.br/2016/03/when-progressives-get-religion.html
Amy’s father, demonstrating how thoroughly he shared his daughter’s anti-racialist convictions, shook hands with her murderers and encouraged their release. …
it’s not as if i haven’t given sufficient clues to who i am on this very blog.
not that any should care…but if they did it wouldn’t be hard…
it would be hard for peepee though.
I do have a reader who sent me a theory of who you are, but I didn’t think his evidence was conclusive and out of respect for your privacy, I didn’t look into it.
Actually I have two readers, with two different theories about who you are.
Pumpkin,
”lower cognitive skills” are polygenically dominant than ”higher cognitive skills”, like brown eyes versus blue eyes***
What do you think*
I think it’s the other way around.
You could explain more specifically*
now peepee has diagnosed santa clause with something undoubtedly.
but i see no sign of psychosis.
just a guy for whom english is a second language and who has no one else who can “grok” him.
1. the need to know that one is not a “minority of one”, as Orwell put it, is a deep human need…just like deep dicking.
2. not only santa clause, but most…the “vast majority”…of people will find that none “grok” him.
the Cynical bottom line…
people have wants, desires, and needs which contemporary civilization cannot meet.
this’ll be my name for the nonce.
I don’t think you’re sociopathic.
You sometimes seem a bit autistic in that you sometimes assume people don’t understand things that they actually do understand. I think that shows poor mind reading.
And OCD is a symptom of autism.
But autistics are almost never antisemitic, just the opposite..
You need to take your medication chateaux!!!!!
i know you are SOOOOOO insecure….
”But autistics are almost never antisemitic, just the opposite..”
Remember…
Jews are definitely not autistic. They’re probably the most socially shrewd of all, and that’s why other socially shrewd people tend to be suspicious of them. By contrast, autistics are almost never antisemetic, in my opinion. Don’t have actual data.
You could explain more specifically*
Because IQ, like brain size and height, tend to shrink as a result of inbreeding. That suggests it’s a Darwinian fitness trait, selected for dominance.
”Because IQ, like brain size and height, tend to shrink as a result of inbreeding. That suggests it’s a Darwinian fitness trait, selected for dominance.”
And color eyes not***
”That suggests it’s a Darwinian fitness trait, selected for dominance.”
So when a very intelligent person marries a normal person and have five children, most of them will inherit greater intelligence of the smartest *
Huuuum, sorry, but I will disagree with you because as light eyes, which were clearly selected via sexual selection, and that are intrinsically recessive but become contextually dominant within populations where most people have these characteristics, the same seems to happen with intelligence, in this case, cognitive and quantitative intelligence or iQ.
If a person with pure blue eyes marries a person with brown eyes and have five children, the more likely or common to happen is to occur eye pigmentation diversity in their kids. a son number 1 inherit the blue eyes of father, a daughter number 2 inherit the brown eyes of mother, a son number 3 inherit a mix of colors resulting in green-brown eyes, etc
I thought the same scenario for intelligence where we have a person with great general intelligence marries another with average general intelligence and have five children, there will be a gradation / diversity between the father and mother, ignoring the possibility of inheriting traits of the closest relatives and bearing in mind that they are a couple of the same race.
Pumpkin,
ask my questions if you’re educated…
Santoculto, I don’t know why brown eyes are dominant. Maybe it’s because through most of our evolutionary history, we lived in Africa where dark pigment in the skin (and thus eyes) was advantageous. Interestingly enough, they say all blue eyed people share a single ancestor that emerged 10,000 years ago.
has there ever been a chink-ess who didn’t want a big white dick in her muffin?
uhhhh…NO!
I would imagine that a lot of East Asian women find white guys to be kind of primitive and scary looking, kind of like the way a lot of white women view blacks.
Pumpkin,
ask my question and stop give attention for stupidities.
That’s blatantly false, Asian girls like white men. The reason white girls dating a black guy instead of a black girl dating a white dude is more common is because blacks are perceived as more masculine. The same goes for white dudes they are perceived as more masculine than Asian guys in fact I think when controlled for intelligence and income blacks are considered the most attractive
“I think when controlled for intelligence and income blacks are considered the most attractive”
Correct.
peepee’s blog will cease when she is impaled on a huge black cock.
until then…
Just a heads up, I’m going to start removing comments of this nature.
Not because they offend me, but because they’re boring to smart people.
Please do. They bring nothing of value and they just clutter the quality commenting.All the personal attacks and ad homs are retarded and the quality of this blog will increase dramatically.
peepee needs black cock in her holes.
without it she’ll die before 70, obese and alone, like most lesbians.
”Jews are definitely not autistic. They’re probably the most socially shrewd of all, and that’s why other socially shrewd people tend to be suspicious of them. By contrast, autistics are almost never antisemetic, in my opinion. Don’t have actual data.”
Yes and autism tend to be correlated with
– honesty
– naivety
*”I don’t follow the math here. If there are only 10,000 variants, and 100 variants causes a one SD increase in IQ, then to be 100 standard deviations above average, wouldn’t you need 10,000 more positive variants than the average person? But I thought there were only 10,000 variants in total so wouldn’t that imply the average person has no positive variants?”*
Yes.
If it assumed that the average person has a SNP score, so to speak of +5000, then it is wrong.
However, it could be assumed that the average human, would have 5000 positive variants and 5000 negative, to give a score of 0. For each variant changed beyond there, it would increase double, because a negative switches to positive.
So that the last sentence does explain it all, I think.
What is your IQ, it took me a while to understand this, even with your article/comments to help. You seem to get it quickly and on your own.
That second line of my response applies to Hsu’s assumption, as well as your actual response, just the regurgitating part, not the analysis.
However, it could be assumed that the average human, would have 5000 positive variants and 5000 negative, to give a score of 0. For each variant changed beyond there, it would increase double, because a negative switches to positive.
BRILLIANT!!!!
I think you got it.
5000 positive variants adds 50 SD, but in order to get an extra 5000 positive variants, you have to replace 5000 negative variants, so it’s a net gain of +100 SD.
That 24″ head circumference is paying off 🙂
Thanks!
and of course, it would work the opposite way, where(although who want to engineer a less intelligent human) each variant changed result in a change of two points, because; like 1–1=2; -1-1=-2
I’m not sure if that first problem came out, it should say 1 minus negative 1= 2
Steven Hsu is great, I really like his work.
that’s what I wrote yesterday . https://pumpkinperson.com/2016/04/02/genetically-engineering-super-smart-humans/#comment-24161
nice to see the issue resolved. it took me about 10 minutes to sort it out, owing to my knowledge of mathematical finance which deals with probabilities.
positive version of each causal variant
Hsu’s language implies that there is also a negative version , too. Kinda subtle though.
nice to see the issue resolved. it took me about 10 minutes to sort it out, owing to my knowledge of mathematical finance which deals with probabilities
Just reread the comment you linked to, and yes you did solve it yesterday! I was so busy fighting the trolls that I didn’t even notice. Very well done!
Well, technically it is 5000 negative and 5000 positive, not 10000 negative and 10000 positive.
I just have the advantage of blunt language/oversimplification 1 – – 1= 2 or
5000 – – 5000=10000 that’s how I understood it.
10000-0=10000
then divide by SDs
Grey Enlightenment-I didn’t read the comments first, so don’t think I was copying you (I did do step by step, so you know that I didn’t).
wow, I read that later and didn’t get it. I really need to work on my reading comprehension.
Nice work!
peepee is commenting on her own blog again.
You are so jealous that all these people come here to see what I have to say.
Thanks!
and of course, it would work the opposite way, where (although who would want to engineer a less intelligent human) each variant changed results in a change of 2 points, because; like 1–1=2 ; -1-1=-2
Steven Hsu is great, I really like what his work.
*1 minus negative 1=2* , I personally could not see the two negatives on that one.
You finally cut it off! I’m so proud of you for embracing your true gender. Now all you need is a pair of tits and to change your name to Charlotte!
If I may use my 24′ circumference head to produce another thought, pumpkinperson, Chartreuse, oddly enough, as a white supremacists, resents human biodiversity because he is a very-strong anti-Semite, hating Jews even more than Blacks, Mestizos/Hispanics, Arabs and Asians.
Through late night ascertaining, I believe that Chartreuse is a white supremacist, (as you said), but resents Human Bio-diversity not because they are “soft” on the less intellectual races/ethnicities, but because he can not except that whites are not the smartest race.
He has used the term “ch*nk” and obviously dislikes Jews (“my biggest objection to Bernie Sanders is that he is a smelly jew”).
Jorge Videla? Really?
He also put up a link to a the 1924 Nordicist Madison Grant study, in the “comments” section on another post.
Chartreuse, oddly enough, as a white supremacists, resents human biodiversity because he is a very-strong anti-Semite, hating Jews even more than Blacks, Mestizos/Hispanics, Arabs and Asians.
Also, like most of my readers, he appears mentally ill, and probably resents all the psychologists who judged him his whole life, and thus resents the whole field of psychology and dismisses it as pseudoscience.
*24”* not “24′” oops….
If his IQ is as high as SAT/GRE scores say (and I have some doubts) then statistically we’d expect him to be very liberal. Antisemitism is basically just extreme liberalism just like anti-black racism is extreme conservatism.
I’d bet.
Speaking of mental illness, pumpkinperson, I had a question on that, I asked on the Katrina Pierson post, which you didn’t answer so I assume my question was not worded well or you did not know the answer;
I have been taking a SSRI inhibitor, which treats depression and related illness (I am taking it for Generalized Anxiety Disorder) since Late January, and I was wondering what it’s cognitive effects should be.
The vast majority of web information on this subject shows an insignificant correlation (mostly they showed 0.01 and 0.02 strengths), but one showed an -0.125 correlation to actually taking the dose versus placebo, and getting a score on the tasks/tests.
Do you know anything about this?
No, I have no expertise in that area.
okay, thanks anyway.
peepee is commenting on her own blog again.
You’re pretty dumb to not know the difference between me and other people. The WISC-R is a very accurate test indeed.
you’re commenting on your own blog again peepee.
misdreavus noticed it too.
I have great respect for Misdreavus, but he could be clueless at times. He thought ruhkukah and I were the same person. I don’t comment on my own blog, except as myself of course.
You honestly believe “Another William Playfair Web” and I are the same person? That’s actually quite interesting. Diagnostically interesting.
Actually I think this is more evidence of my theory that you have a schizophrenic type personality. I believe that autism and schizophrenia are at opposite ends of the evolutionary spectrum:
https://pumpkinperson.com/2014/06/03/autism-schizophrenia-social-class/
Autistics are very naive. They fail to see deception when deception is there.
But schizophrenics have the opposite problem. They see deception where none exists. Thus you see sock puppetry, even under conditions where it’s not plausible.
Autistics are hyper rational. They believe in HBD. Don’t believe in God.
You’re the opposite extreme. Believe in God, and even the concept of evil. Don’t believe in HBD.
Also, the fact that you flunked the writing section of your college exams, despite spectacular scores in other parts. Writing a long coherent essay requires organized thinking which is a weak spot in schizophrenia.
Alcoholism is also very common among schizophrenics.
that’s nice peepee.
but you’ve yet to list a single symptom of any mental illness.
who was posting under your name when you praised my writing ability?
it was the GMAT peepeetard. and it’s graded by a computer. and they weren’t essays fucktard. both writing assignments i only wrote one parapgraph. this was the likely reason for the low mark.
who was posting under your name when you praised my writing ability?
You can write very well in this format, but I don’t know if you’re mentally organized enough to write a long coherent structured essay, which I thought your exam might have involved.
writing a long well organized, concise essay in a timed situation is something few people, sane or insane can do.
i heard david brooks interviewed by charlie rose. how does he write? he just writes down all his ideas and facts and then puts them into piles on his living room floor.
and charlie rose himself has said writing is the hardest thing for him…a guy who chats for a living.
i’m thinking you don’t know what genuine mental illness is.
According to Wikipedia:
“Schizophrenia is a mental disorder characterized by abnormal social behavior and failure to understand reality.[2] Common symptoms include false beliefs, unclear or confused thinking, hearing voices, reduced social engagement and emotional expression, and a lack of motivation.[2][3] People often have additional mental health problems such as anxiety disorders, major depressive illness or substance use disorder.[4] Symptoms typically come on gradually, begin in young adulthood, and last a long time.[3][5]”
Judging form the fact that:
-Pumpkin Person dedicates his life to posting nonsense on the internet
-Pumpkin Person barely understands the concepts he tries to handle
-Might not be hearing voices but definitely reads imaginary studies
-Is a proud loner who has low regards for socialization
-Is completely unable of empathy, considers humanity in the most animalistic way
-Is a disclosed alcoholic who even posts when drunk
My conclusion is that Pumpkin Person has Schizophrenic tendencies.
and charlie rose himself has said writing is the hardest thing for him…a guy who chats for a living.
Oprah chats for a living too and also claims to be a terrible writer. She hated working in news (early in her career) because she was expected to write everything ahead of time and she just wanted to be spontaneous.
i’m thinking you don’t know what genuine mental illness is.
I’m not saying you have genuine schizophrenia, but rather a schizophrenic type personality. You probably need other factors to manifest the condition such as low IQ and a stressful environment. Your life sounds pretty stress free.
Pumpkin Person barely understands the concepts he tries to handle
Afrosapiens, you didn’t even understand what a correlation is, and probably still don’t, so you really shouldn’t be accusing others of not understanding concepts.
Is completely unable of empathy, considers humanity in the most animalistic way
Are you sure you’re not describing yourself? The way you treated Robert Lindsay after he bent over backwards to be nice to you was absolutely disgusting, and the way you’ve treated me after I’ve spent hours tutoring you on everything from statistics to genetics to psychometrics. You’re a snake who can’t be trusted.
”writing a long well organized, concise essay in a timed situation is something few people, sane or insane can do.”
yes, and you can’t do it.
i’m writing here or in any other ”recanto-hbd” in a very poor english (like happen with a lot of poor black that you say ”defend”, 😉 ) but i have relative awareness that my writing is minimal understandable because is a extreme minimalistic english.
(((i think mental illness like autism and adhd don’t exist, period.))))
”Autistics are very naive. They fail to see deception when deception is there.
But schizophrenics have the opposite problem. They see deception where none exists. Thus you see sock puppetry, even under conditions where it’s not plausible.
Autistics are hyper rational. They believe in HBD. Don’t believe in God.
You’re the opposite extreme. Believe in God, and even the concept of evil. Don’t believe in HBD.
Also, the fact that you flunked the writing section of your college exams, despite spectacular scores in other parts. Writing a long coherent essay requires organized thinking which is a weak spot in schizophrenia.
Alcoholism is also very common among schizophrenics.”
Don’t forget use always the term ON AVERAGE
Hyper rational is a vague concept, to be naive is to be hyper rational** i don’t think so.
Schizophrenia correlates with religion,
schizos tend to have less neurons in the brain,
comparative smaller brains,
and weak lateralization as happen with women
Women are more ”umbalanced mood”-leaning (near to psychosis spectrum, schizophrenia’s and bipolar disorder’s)
Men are more ”autistic and anti social personality”-leaning, they tend to be more objective, less compassionate, less
Schizophrenics, homossexuals, adhd, blacks and women have one thing in common, on average, they have comparative lower income than straight white and east asian men. People who are more emotional than technical tend to be directed during their path life to live at short term, on average.
Autistics also have weak lateralization (brain lateralization, brain more symmetrical), but they have very strong male brain patterns
this factor is a partial evidence to the extreme male brain theory
Interesting to see that the integration of both brain types seems compatible to explain the creativity phenomena, first the inter-hemispherical communication, a female pattern, in the end, the the intra-hemispherical communication (specialization), a male (autistic) pattern.
At socio-sexual behavior, autistics tend to be relatively more androgenous than straigh-neurotypical but seems have greater diversity among them.
anti social personality among men seems like ”neurotypical autism”, what i want to say, the extreme (neurotypical) brain, at least in traditional societies.
i’m sure a lot of people think noam chomsky has a “schizophrenic type personality”.
i do admit that the one thing i strive for and have striven for is an understanding of the world which is both subtle and unconventional and entails a hatred of all convention. and this because of insight into the motives of other people and myself, not from the absence of such insight.
Diogenes beat off in public peepee.
he’s my hero.
fictional heroes of mine: Gregory House, Oblomov, Robinson Crusoe, and above all Larry Darrell…
non-fictional: Tobias Schneebaum, Alby Mangels, Paul Theroux,…
et cetera.
Another way to increase iq would be to increase maturity time for humans and have puberty occur much later. A parallel example would be how humanity now stays in school for ten plus years while before education was limited to trades and farming.
I think such a person would have to live for hundreds of years to develop a 1000 iq.
There is a link between iq and maturity rate. French American quebecers and cajuns have a low rate of achievement in America, doing worse than every other white ethnicity in terms of doctor per capita according to the nyt article on surnames and md correlations. There is another study showing marriage ages declining among the quebecois to take advantage of free land. I assume that marriage age declined because of selection for higher fertility and lower age of menstruation but the side effect was a lower iq.
I find it hard to believe that French Quebec is a province of loserdom, given the ranking of quality of life measures, which is quite high, higher than that of San Francisco, a city now known for its high IQ population. And San Francisco is the only American city that is on par with any Canadian city (including Montreal) in terms of high quality of life.
J Farell, perhaps I mis-posted — you were talking about Quebecois living in America. Strange!
but these FACTS are an example of…
norms of reaction.
two famous american authors of french canadian ancestry are paul theroux…his nephew is now married to jennifer aniston…and jack kerouac…who died from bleeding esophageal varices (cirrhosis of the liver) at age 47 iirc.
A place can have a high standard of living with relatively low iqs. Panama and kerala,for example.
Quebec was the new world with lots of resources yet much of its population fled to the U.S. factories until the silent revolution. They means that the population lacked the brains to make their own factories until recently, similar to Mexicans. I see it as evidence of an iq drop.
And when did high IQ Ashkenazi Jews set up factories in large numbers?
NYC was pretty much their home in in the New World. Most of them did not work in factories. Those who took up non-professional jobs, were selling and peddling.
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Sorry I had to redact your comment. I don’t think we should play that game on a public message board.
Aw, c’mon. I want to know.
Neurotics tend to see faces in objects,
i speculate that the inverse pattern happen among anti-social people.
they tend to look for beings as things.
Hahahaa… the comments here are hilarious. Great entertainment!
if afrosapiens is who he says he is, he’s a great example of norms of reaction at least, or simply a great example of the additive effect of environment.
but as i’ve said so many times…
environmentalism/blank slate-ism is just as bankrupt as hereditism.
morally and empirically bankrupt.
yet…?
is there even one hereditist who understands that the ONLY alternative to hereditism is NOT blank-slate-ism?
is NOT blank-slate-ism?
who understands that P = G + E is just a local planar approximation to the P(G, E) function?
i haven’t found any.
I’ve wondered if Afrosapiens is actually black. I mean, I think he is, but you can never be sure on the Internet. I’ve posted my proof, I think he should post his!
And P = G + E is an elegant and simple model of understanding human genetics, but it could be much more complicated than that– maybe non-linear interactions between genes and environment, or optimal environments for different genes, who knows.
It’s just that the blank slatists (even those who posit some role for genes, but still favor nurture) have been SO WRONG, trying to obfuscate with complicated models of reality that focus on the environment while ignoring genetics, that one can’t help but be dismissive towards the environmental arguments, even when they might have some plausibility…
You guys think Afrosapiens is too smart to be black? LOL. He won’t know whether to be flattered or insulted. There are of course many high IQ blacks, though they tend not to come from the poorest slums in Haiti as Afrosapiens claims to.
i AM dismissive of the “environmental arguments”.
BUT!
i am also dismissive of the “genetic arguments”.
You guys think Afrosapiens is too smart to be black?
Hey, I wasn’t saying or implying that at all! Just wondering, given how much people like to lie about their identity on the Internet.
The reason I hate environmental arguments is that they’re always used by various commentators to defend their favored group or groups. And even conservative HBDers switch to using environmental arguments to defend their favored groups– it’s quite hilarious actually. They don’t even realize their own hypocrisy.
it is…
because a “dirty little secret” of anti-racists, gay rights, feminism, is…
they WANT discrimination…
in favor of themselves.
and the reason is that if purely objective standards of admissions, hiring, preferment, promotion, etc. were the order of the day some groups wouldn’t meet their quota, so to speak.
but in american society, a SICK society,
rather than question all that follows from these objective decisions…
…
that is,
the problem isn’t that some get in and some get hired and some get promoted…and others don’t…
the problem is that not getting in, not getting hired, not getting promoted have such DIRE consequences…in SHITMERICA.
but 99.99% of americans are too fucking retarded to know the difference between a state of affairs ordained by NATURE and one ordained by social convention.
like George Will on WW I, David Brooks has had one moment of lucidity…
america is a collectivist culture which believes it’s individualist-ic.
”america is a collectivist culture which believes it’s individualist-ic.”
AMAZING Chartroise,
individual to be a capitalist and not a individual.
you are correct sir…
if i grok you,
through google translate…
american capitalism is MORE collectivists than stalin’s soviet union…
REALLY!
and ed mcmahon…
let’s see…
big time alcoholic…
6′ 3″…
tall people are shorter lived…
yet he died at age 86!
from causes un-related to his alcoholism.
if peepee were an honest cunt she’d break on through and become a Cynic.
Hey, I’ve been jammin out to that all day!
I’ve been trying to open my Doors of Perception!
an inter-species example of norms of reaction for the trait of height:
the tallest trees in the world, despite what americans are taught, are not the N California redwoods…
they are the SE Australian eucalyptus.
the tallest cactus in the world, according to wikipedia, is the Mexican giant cardon or elephant cactus.
SE Australia vs Baja?
why hasn’t some aussie planted a eucalyptus in Baja?
but what would happen if he had?
answer:
the eucalyptus would never grow as tall as the cactus…
show me the pictures of elephant cactus vs eucalyptus in Baja.
that would be a great example of P = G + E.
You’re into trees?
Yes, the Eucalyptus (E. regnans, specifically) is probably the world’s tallest tree, though no extant trees beat the redwoods.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eucalyptus_regnans
Look at the “Tallest Specimen” section.
Tallest extant specimen in Centurion:
https://www.forestrytas.com.au/branchline/e-branchline-archive/archive/branchline-october-9-2008/welcome-to-the-centurion
The largest Coast Redwoods (Sequoia sempervirens) were larger than the largest Giant Sequoias (Sequoiadendron giganteum):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindsey_Creek_tree
Almost twice as big as the General Sherman.
http://www.hikespeak.com/trails/general-sherman-tree-sequoia/
mental illness is a very interesting category of illness,
because, unlike all other illnesses, there is no blood test or tumor or radiograph or etc. which is dispositve.
which isn’t to say that there’s no such thing as mental illness…
but to say that all diagnoses of mental illness should be treated with extreme skepticism.
extreme…
skepticism.
especially as such diagnoses have exploded as a % of the population, starting in the early 19th c or late 18th c in Britain, and exploding in other countries with their own Industrial Revolutions.
i would guess that the majority of americans have been or will have been prescribed some psychiatric drug…
which isn’t necessarily a bad thing…
but psychiatrists need to pretend that they aren’t just drug dealers…so they need a disease…or insurance won’t cover it.
the reality is that contemporary civilization doesn’t satisfy the needs of those living within it or under it…and that psychiatric drugs, anti-depressants in particular, are just a means of forcing people into the very un-natural demands and expectations of their societies.
the scientologists and tom cruise are right about psychiatry and wrong about everything else.
now i have to go jack off in public…and be shot by the po-lice.
as derrida said…
it is one of the gestures of de-construction NOT to naturalize what is NOT natural.
but this is beyond peepee…
as she would naturalize what is NOT natural..
because she’s trans.
transexualism express a very ambiguous brain, people with weak lateralization TEND TO HAVE weak sense of oneself. then trans is natural.
the idea of mental illness or healthness
is the same the idea of natural and unatural
Jesus Christ is a unatural thing, a erratic and bizarre thinking
transsexualism is not unatural because is a expressive thing, what behavior is, an echo of the shape/biology.
just more google translate all i hear is…
or en francais:
just prole like football.
”Also, like most of my readers, he appears mentally ill, and probably resents all the psychologists who judged him his whole life, and thus resents the whole field of psychology and dismisses it as pseudoscience.”
lol
the blogger is included*
i write bad in english and have creative ideas = mentallly ill
the term ”mentallly ill” is extremely cavernous, specially in the center of this spectrum ”normalcy or preponderancy – – – lunacy”
Oprah to me is a truly mentally handicapped person,
the mental illness of course have a biological roots BUT the attitudes of person is also extremely important and your diva don’t seems much more different than a Mother Fucker Therroresa,
these charming and extreme fake-empathetic brightness of the high functioning psychopaths seems to be irresistibly persuasive for the average people.
You don’t know if most part of your READERS are ”mentally ill” or not,
you mistake the word, is not ”reader” but ”commenters”.
Pumpkin,
you’re a true narcissistic (i hope, not extreme, but above-average), you already have genuine megalomaniacal rampant here.
As my older brother said ”everyone are at least a little nuts”
But some people abuse, GENUINELY talking.
I’m also a narcissistic, most part of humankind are at least little narciso, because it’s one of the most obvious demonstrations of self awareness.
Most part of people who you admire are more mentally problematic than most people here among your commenters and readers, Obama, Hillary, Sanders, Trump, ”celebrities”. One of the most fundamental pre requisite to be a celebrity is at least above-average narcissistic personality.
More close you are of a human more problematic he will be.
Sometimes i really think you’are the prodigy-boy who like hbd-stuff that i confuse. You say very immature things, some times.
santa claus deserves an ovation.
Stalin, little chicken, he was know like that in the sauna gay of proletariat, 😉
google translate is hilarious…
so you wanted to say:
stalin was a twink.
Don’t guilty google translate your laziness to read a simplified version of this barbadrian language.
I think your enormous ”’iq”’ would make you unbeatable intelligent…
Santo,
We would respect your ideas (which seem interesting) more if your English was more coherent. I mean, c’mon: Don’t guilty google translate your laziness to read a simplified version of this barbadrian language. Everyone knows what you’re trying to say, but the grammar is so terrible it’s almost laughable!
Barbad(r)ian was a inner joke,
barbadian = english is a mother tongue
barbarian = i don’t explain of course
sarcasm
don’t (não)
guilty (culpar)
the
google translate
by your laziness
to don’t or can’t understand mein simplified version of this barbad r ian language,
many times, i’m lazy to improve this des-improvement,
le fin!
re-correcting my last comment
many-to-most true intellectual smart people really don’t think Oprah is a great person, a genius.
what some psychologists like to say
real gifted people look for MORE details than just what is explicit…
Pumpkin internalize that in the surface of macro-american media where whe have the imponent figure of Oprah mechanically make her great, exactly what happen when we have a poor and mentally/ideologically dependent servant look for your master as he were a god.
There are enormous number of reasonably famous women, blacks included, who have done many relevant works specially those which are directed to social work.
Recycling, fighting for women’s rights in regions where they are extremely ill treated, women fighting against the primitive Islam spectrum (there are more than moderate Muslims, but because of lower IQ, they are more highly flammable, the escape mechanism, typical of the instinctive ones).
I don’t doubt if Pumpkin also admire women like Hillary Clinton or Condoleezza (con dolcezza) Rice.
Chartroise,
my problem here is the english,
your problem is more deep, is in your soul.
when and not ”whe”
barbad(r)ian?
that’s one of the best COUNTER-examples of HBD ever.
i don’t remember, but has “ruhkukah” ever heard of the Red Legs?
patrick ewing looks like a monkey…so what?
humans are just stinky monkeys…
that’s what my dog tells me.
humans are just stinky monkeys…
Where you draw the line between human and monkey is arbitrary. Some scientists say gorillas and chimps are NOT monkeys, but the dictionary and culture say they are. There is no genetic reason to say Old World monkeys and New World monkeys are both monkeys but chimps are not.
Scientists and dictionaries disagree.
My definition of monkeys is any sub-group of primates that is almost human, but when did we cross the line into humanity? It’s arbitrary, and sadly, racists exploit the arbitrary nature but I like the way Oprah handled it:
This Pumpkin fanaticism about Oprah look more laughable than anything else here in this blog.
It’s a great anomaly, i think great part of hbd’ers are not a Opran-fana(tic).
I think many-to-most reasonably intellectual-smart does.
Liked the way she handled what? All she said was “You don’t know me”. BTW PP, that was def set up.
Those damn skinheads make us look so bad. Uneducated idiots, much like the Stormfront morons and their non-understanding of genetics.
and that i seem to understand something which no hereditist nor blank-slater does…
i can attribute to this striving for a more subtle and un-conventional understanding of reality…
if one simply accepts the conventional understanding…
1. this is not an advantage for him,
AND
2. it’s probably FALSE.
perhaps michael steinhardt has named it “variant perception”, and soros has named it “reflexivity”…or “oh my aching back”.
peepee might like How George Soros Knows What He Knows.
hegel called this “striving”
“the power of the negative”
how could any one not be a red? their propaganda is so much better.
Boring, childish and tacky as happen with all shitalitarian.
the thousand year trumpenreich WILL BE.
if milos yiannopoulos is giving the Sieg Heil…
i am very thankful that my circumstances allow me to get drunk every day.
and peepee is RIGHT.
i AM crazy.
…
but in the GOOD way!!!
i credit little chocolate donuts.
but serioously…
all hail and fellate VALERY BORZOV…
what the envious and resentful and the ignorant miss…
france is both the center of bullshit and the center of profundity…
but sad to say…
that profundity is always GERMAN.
when the french think, they think in german.
sorry franco-philes…
…
France and Germany as independent countries is passe.
they were ONE country under Charles the Great.
Charlemagne…as tall as George Washington…was the first Holy Roman Emperor.
let’s stop fucking pretending.
the roman empire has survived for more than 2000 FUCKING years.
it’s emperor is named Francis.
here’s his picture:
the TRUTH is the TRUTH motherfuckers.
it’s funny…
the 1000 year reich
the soviet union
the roman empire
the british empire (and currentlty i’m sussed with its drink…the G & T)
the mongol empire
the mogul empire
the empire of alexander
all have amounted to NOTHING
they’re DEAD
YET THE ONE HOLY ROMAN AND APOSTOLIC CHURCH IS…
STILL ALIVE…
AND RUNNING A MILE IN UNDER 5m.
REALLY!
Hsu has been completely and utterly vindicated. Deary’s latest GWAS has replicated SNPs for IQ, cognitive ability, educational attainment!
http://www.nature.com/mp/journal/vaop/ncurrent/pdf/mp201645a.pdf
I wonder what Chartreuse has to say, I’m expecting nothing less than a concession of defeat.
CONCLUSION
The present results make advances in, and encourage much
further work on the genetic foundations of cognitive differences.
Until recently, GWASs of cognitive functions had provided
converging information about their polygenic architecture—
especially via SNP-based heritability estimates—and modest
power to predict cognitive phenotypes in independent studies.
However, they were near-bereft of significant, replicable genetic
variants that could be followed-up to understand why some
people have more efficient cognitive functioning than others. This
drought is ending; work can begin on the genetically driven
biological mechanisms of cognitive differences and the biological
foundations of the many associations between cognitive abilities
and bio-medical, health and social variables.
*mic drop*