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Bill Gates reportedly scored 1590 on the SAT in the early 1970s (Verbal 790 + Math 800). In a rare study done in 1974, it was estimated that if all American teens took the SAT that year (instead of just the college bound elite) , the verbal mean would be 368 (SD 111) and the math would be 402 (SD 112). Assuming a 0.67 correlation between the two subscales, a combined mean of 770 (SD 203.8) is implied.
Thus Gates’s scores equated to a verbal IQ of 157, a math IQ of 153+, and a combined IQ of 160.
However these numbers assume the SAT was normally distributed, and yet empirical data from the 1980s suggests near perfect scores were much more rare than the normal curve predicts and equated to an IQ of about 170 and if anything they were likely even more rare in the 1970s when fewer people studied for the SAT.
Another reason why these numbers likely underestimate Gates’s IQ is that he hit the ceiling on the math section.
Thus I found the following part of a 2001 article in Time magazine of interest:
“In ninth grade,” Gates recalls over dinner one night, “I came up with a new form of rebellion. I hadn’t been getting good grades, but I decided to get all A’s without taking a book home. I didn’t go to math class, because I knew enough and had read ahead, and I placed within the top 10 people in the nation on an aptitude exam. That established my independence and taught me I didn’t need to rebel anymore.” By 10th grade he was teaching computers and writing a program that handled class scheduling, which had a secret function that placed him in classes with the right girls.
According to this source, there were 4,097,000 Americans born the same year Gates was. Some of them would have died before reaching the ninth grade, but these probably would have been made up for by immigrants, so Gates being in the top ten in the nation for his age or grade level, implies he scored in the top one in 409,700. This equates to a math IQ of 168.
In other words, had the SAT had a higher ceiling in the 1970s, he would have perhaps scored 910 (the equivalent of IQ 168). Add this to his verbal score of 790, and we get a combined score of 1700, which would have equated to a combined IQ of about 170. So even if we assume 1970s SAT scores were normally distributed, Gates still clocks in at IQ 170 as long as we extend the ceiling.
Commenter Bruno has expressed considerable skepticism about Gates having an IQ this high, citing the fact that he was not the top math student at Harvard.
My response is that a) standardized test scores should be given more weight than school grades, and b) Gates spent his teens obsessing over computers so math IQ made him the best programmer at Harvard instead of the best math student per se. The title of best math student probably went to an equally smart person who spent their teens obsessing over math.
The video clips are from the fascinating new Netflix series Inside Bill’s Brain.
It seems Gates has really mellowed out in recent decades, or at least become better at hiding his arrogance. In the below clip you can see him berating his employees and making a bizarre head twirling facial expression as if implying the employee is mentally retarded.
Indeed with an IQ of 170, even the average member of America’s political, economic, and cultural elite (IQ 125 to 135) is literally mentally retarded compared to Gates, which helps explain how he was able to leapfrog over the establishment to become the richest man of the 20th century, with such a stranglehold over the market that it took the U.S. justice department to stop his complete domination.
Well the only thing I like about gates is that he promised Microsoft would remaster all the age of empires series. November aoe 2 remastered comes out. But it’s very sad how gates is mentally retarded over the hbd question and the africa issue. Very sad.
I can tell by the tone of his voice that he believes it. But billions >>>> telling the truth.
Coming out in support of third-world contraception is probably as far as he can go:
https://www.gatesfoundation.org/what-we-do/global-development/family-planning
right.
stone age bill gates would be beaten to death with a black dildo.
note this was made 2 years BEFORE ritchie married madonna.
but maybe they were “dating” when he made it.
because obviously the point of the movie is…
1. brits can do mafia better than sicilians. (obviously false.)
2. british men are the sexiest. (obviously false. but not as obvious.)
Stone Age bill gates would run circles around Stone Age Chomsky, soros or Rubin because spatial IQ to create a new stone tool or projectile weapon
Didn’t the stone age come before the moral panic over slavery?

Rich slaveowners had ways of dealing with ‘black dildoes’.
I doubt Bill Gates would have been good with his hands not to mention violent enough to use the weapon effectively. This is a person that donated his fortune to africa lol. What a retard.
He’s a good tennis player so I’m sure he has sufficient motor skills to make weapons. He’s currently worth over a 100 billion so he gave only a small fraction of his fortune to Africa.
Also, your main criticism of Gates is that he’s contributing to population growth, but in fact a large goal of his foundation is just the opposite:
https://www.gatesfoundation.org/what-we-do/global-development/family-planning
Violence is all about a mindset. Just like playing a sport or pursuing an artform to consume your mind with. The dumbest people commit the most brutal acts of crime because that’s what their mind is preoccupied with.
But the main point is that invention is the mother of necessity, or in other words, necessity brings out the most primal and necessary emotions that help us survive. Anything that serves as a survival mechanism will eventually seep through the brain and cause anyone to act violently, etc.
Bill Gates would’ve been a terrific engineer of weapons and as we’ve discussed in this blog quite often, circumstances during early childhood set the tone for how someone will behave the rest of their lives. That is why Bill Gates could have and might as well have been an effective killer in the Stone Age.
Imagine thinking Bill Gates isn’t intending to reduce Africa’s population and approach some grand eugenics program…Like his eugenicist father would’ve wanted (Planned Parenthood).
Pumpkin, do most people operate with foggy brains on IQ tests?
Don’t know, I’m not inside the brains of most people
Jees…
”Indeed with an IQ of 170, even the average member of America’s political, economic, and cultural elite (IQ 125 to 135) is literally mentally retarded compared to Gates”
PP,
”mentally retarded” is exclusively about people who score lower than 80-75 on IQ tests.
No have such thing you are saying.. but you’re an IQist… someone who doesn’t understand Intelligence neither IQ.
I do have to agree here. Mental retardation is not a relative thing for Pumpkin to say that. It’s a difference of impairment and lack of apprehending.
Did a post-1996 achievement test once.
Got 1471 but I do not know what it means.
I do not know why they’d have one up to 1600 or even what that be.
SAT only calculates a segment of IQ (some but not all) achievement tests even less.
Personality has a roll in SAT and achievement tests.
I know I am not as smart as Oprah.
I am creative.
I generate unique Ideas.
But the quantity I can is small in comparison to others I know.
The more you through at the wall the likelihood something will stick increases.
But also a birds-eye view gets higher increasing patterns noticed.
More a birds-eye view thing than a sticks to the wall thing.
But it depends on what areas of the brain work together.
(quant and quality)
You took a post-1996 SAT? From where, if so?
Las Cruces High School
I think the only time race is a factor is ethnic genetic interests, which has become a the most brainwashed meme into the minds of the masses. Carl Jung and a bunch of psychologists would support this.
Very interesting video.
He joined number 1 the second year when he was not doing math55 path anymore and I understood he was around 5/6 among the 15 who finished the class (wich is a bit different from 3 out of 60). In the video he says there was not much of a difference between 1 and 3. Gates was in the best prep for’ math and it was his project to ace it (Allen conformed it). The other guy was just the smartest around with much less crystallized intelligence.
I have commented he seemed to have a strategy of blurring 1 year and 2 year at Harvard because 1 year is when Paul Allen prophecy – you might not be the brightest kid in the place – materialized and he experiences it as a deep failure.
I see a confirmation in this short video.
My guess is his math IQ is in the 150/155 range versus around 175/180 for the other one.
But I have nothing against him Pumpkin. I think 150/155 is already huge !!! And the combination of ambition and intelligence is what makes him stand appart .
But math55 requires a lot more than just math IQ. There was also 30 hours a week of homework. Because math had always come easy to Gates, perhaps he didn’t have the stamina or perhaps he just wasn’t the best at that particular type of math.
On the other hand, Bill Gates was the Secretariat of applied math, holding the Harvard record on the pancake problem for THREE DECADES:
According to TA, Christos Papadimitriou, who would go on to be a professor of CS at Berkeley:
When I was an assistant professor at Harvard, Bill was a junior. My girlfriend back then said that I had told her: “There’s this undergrad at school who is the smartest person I’ve ever met.”
That semester, Gates was fascinated with a math problem called pancake sorting: How can you sort a list of numbers, say 3-4-2-1-5, by flipping prefixes of the list? You can flip the first two numbers to get 4-3-2-1-5, and the first four to finish it off: 1-2-3-4-5. Just two flips. But for a list of n numbers, nobody knew how to do it with fewer than 2n flips. Bill came to me with an idea for doing it with only 1.67n flips. We proved his algorithm correct, and we proved a lower bound—it cannot be done faster than 1.06n flips. We held the record in pancake sorting for decades. It was a silly problem back then, but it became important, because human chromosomes mutate this way.
Two years later, I called to tell him our paper had been accepted to a fine math journal. He sounded eminently disinterested. He had moved to Albuquerque, New Mexico to run a small company writing code for microprocessors, of all things. I remember thinking: “Such a brilliant kid. What a waste.”
March 19, 2013: People of ACM: Christos Papadimitriou
Bill Gates improved the previous best of pancake flipping solution of 2n by 17% by himself as an undergrad only using a pencil and paper. That record would stand for 30 years (2009) until a team of 7 computer Scientists managed to further improve Gates’ result by 1% using supercomputers.
Yes we talked about that . That’s algotithmic and he was clearly n1 in theoritical and practical computer science . He could correct teachers on the spot. No question about this.
But it is a very narrow area of math like 2% where someone as bright as him can crystallized so much intelligence. It’s not possible to get the same boost in wider areas of math like analysis, algebra or even (less) in category theory.
But the pancake problem looks more like something you’d see on a high level IQ test in that it’s less dependent on knowledge & more dependent on the raw processing power to think through many combinations, but I could be wrong
But even his math55 performance was good. Paul Allen says only that he got a B & was no longer the smartest but I don’t know his exact class rank
Let’s say he’s IQ 155 in theoretical math & IQ 175 in applied math & the two types of math talent correlate 0.8. That would give him an overall math IQ of around 170
Then you combine that with an overall verbal IQ of 157 & he’d still have a composite of 170, at least as measured by these two broad domains
Maybe I put too much emphasis on pure math wich I see as the true IQ domain where logic differences can play at a higher level.
But thinking about it, his math IQ may be higher than I thought. I remember he ranked 5/6 out of 15 finishers (or 60 beginning the class, 1700 freshmen or 4M year group). I don’t remember the source.
If most intelligent kids take the SAT, I doubt Harvard takes more than 5% of the most able. But then, at 5%, his math IQ would be more like 160 than 150/155. I calculated his IQ starting from the difference with n1, but it is safer to check with a bottom up estimation.
So a math IQ of 160 is a better approximation. You win 🙂
Its not IQ 155 theoritical math or IQ 175 applied math. those numbers arent from IQ tests! what the hell, do you even understand what IQ tests do?
the idea of an IQ test is to quickly assess someones intelligence with the test content being common knowledge, that is, no obscure or specialized knowledge.
did you know that most people can barely do middle school level math?
i have to congratulate you for being literate enough on the matter to not “average” IQ scores like every other retarded sheep.
there is actually a statistically valid technique to combine two IQ scores which is called the Ferguson formula.
to be good at math, you need to be mathematically litterate quite simply. most people dont bother to.
I also like that the first year he wanted to be exposed to different mind : a foreigner black person if I remember well. The second year he wanted to be with the smartest kid. He probably discovered then that sharing the room with someone 25 IQ points above himself would never make him even I IQ point more intelligent. That’s why he is probably an HBD believer ….
Ubd BELIEVER is the best description
Intelligent people need few words to understand when others need many.
That is what distinguishes the great from the rest!
yet gates has a small head, is left handed, and has a bizarre voice.
how do you know his SAT scores?
i’d bet his SAT scores weren’t 1590.
because the difference between 1500 and 1600 on the old SAT was probably just luck. this is true of the very high range of any test. the difference between getting a handful wrong and none wrong is just luck.
”yet gates has a small head, is left handed, and has a bizarre voice.”
Similar to you…
if you are very good looking BUT single… so, everybody knows what it’s mean..
I imagine this Chad-sucker in real life…
believe me now and believe me later…
i’m every fag’s dream.
I doubt… And remember, if you still have a long term memory [self awareness is something you wasn’t born]. Just good looking, for mature and evolved people, mean nothing… maybe you can impress trashy ones, never the BEST.
If you are not capable to marry a woman, i doubt you would be capable to get a GAY, spamish trash.
Unfortunately, retarded right wink ”hymen” love to beaten by losers as you.
I discover the biggest subhumans are not those from left winkie…
but NAZISSS
those who destroyed europe in the last big war..
I cite the evidence for the SAT score here:
https://pumpkinperson.com/2014/10/13/high-iq-bill-gates-towers-as-the-richest-american-21-years-in-a-row/
Anyone with an IQ that high is likely a genetic mutant, hence the left-handedness and weird voice.
His head size is probably in the average range, and probably underestimates his brain size since like a lot of smart people, he’s gracile & thus has a thin skull.
The Winklevii are probably 140 IQ. They’re also 6’4″ and handsome, and likely come from a high IQ lineage. What say you of these specimen?
I don’t think that he is small or even average headed. If I had to guess then I’d say that his cranial capacity should be well above average given his head width. If I had to guess right off the top of my head then I’d say that he shouldn’t be lower than 1600cc. 1600cc to 1800cc should be a plausible range.
and this is absolutely true for multiple choice tests.
I wonder if RR is an octopus mimicry human intelligence…
Puppy you’ve now done bill gates iq 3 seperate times. And when will you do Macho mans?
so the very high IQ/[redacted by pp, oct 13, 2019] societies are right…
even the old SAT doesn’t mean anything above 160 (at most).
maybe.
but the graduate school entrance exams might have a higher ceiling.
the GRE and LSAT idk.
but i know the GMAT has a very high ceiling.
meaning the number of prfect scores vs number of test takers is very small.
and this might be surprising as business school attracts very non-academic types.
i mean on the practice test i made 790 and on the test test i made 770.
but scoring 800 would NOT have been an accident.
that is, iiuc the diff between 790 and 800 on the GMAT is significant/real.
the above image reminds me of how
1. much guilt i feel…
2. why straight white men kill themselves at 2x the rate of any other group…
3. how dumb all other religions are.
Any REPETITIVE trashy thing you say is this
heidegger must be proud of your ”pupil”
[redacted by pp, oct 13, 2019]
for example…
nicholas cage won sexiest man and best actor in the same year or close…
for playing a guy who deliberately killed himself with alcohol…
nicholas cage = nephew of francis ford coppola.
this is why it doesn’t matter how good looking she is…
if she’s not US, she’s GROSS.
Pumpkin, what does it mean to understand something, like truly understand something.
people think i’m kidding about poodles.
poo doo doo
poo doo doo
ch ch poo doo doo
Not only is Ian a homosexual but it’s verifiably true that he’s a beastialist as well
You know Pumpkin, deleting spam/nonsense comments isn’t infringing on free speech 🙂
I’ll try to allow less off-topic stuff
My comment with that Bembow study is not off topic… why you don’t accepted*
Please dont. The off topic stuff is amazing and great. Dont censor mug of pee, without his mug, he wont have anywhere to pee.
Thanks Pumpkin!
Now for some off-topic stuff 🙂
How good do you think polygenic scores will have to get before they start getting used on an individual level? Like within how many SDs of the true IQ/g/educational achievement?
The uses I can think of is to identify children with high potential from poor backgrounds, or as an environmentally unbiased entrance “exam” for schools etc.
What sort of PGS-IQ correlation would result in polygenic scores that are say within 1 SD of the true IQ? I know you often calculate standard errors from correlations, mind sharing the formula/method?
To get the general public to really trust polygenic scores for IQ, I’d guess the accuracy would have to be within 5 points of the true score. Within 10 points would lead to people who actually differ by 20 points regularly ending up with the same polygenic score. Since 20 points tend to be the difference between leaders and followers, such errors would be highly noticeable.
By the way, what do you think about this argument against people who consider intelligence entirely environmental: If that really was the case, then disadvantaged people would NEVER be smarter than people with good backgrounds. So why even bother giving people from poor backgrounds a chance? 100% environmentalism leads to un-egalitarian conclusions, and is easily disproven by the existence of smart disadvantage people.
Some Guy I will answer your questions in my next blog post. Should be up soon.
Expecting an explanation, PP
Santo I don’t recall the comment so I don’t know why I didn’t post it
Well, it’s not infringing on free-speech until personal motives start getting involved such as when someone says something just as off-topic and nonsensical and it goes through and another person’s comments that are similar in nature fail to make it.
Psychopathy is between autism [incapacity to connect properly with other people] and psychosis [megalomania], or not.
Most people are like little kids. Take my dad for example, he’s worse than a little kid. Super annoying.
It’s not that intelligence decreased, just maturity.
Culturally speaking, maturity increased… with secularism, when adults no longer is forced to believe in santa klaus to feel better with themselves, expecting a nonexistent heaven while they change this world into a hell.
My fear of death is the only thing that has kept me alive but I feel like I’ve lost my sanity.
Santo you didnt awnser my questions regarding white trashes and eugenics. Im very interested in what you have to say in these subjects. I want to know more so that i wont need to wory all of the time about where to find good processed info.
What questions??
1. Why are vonserfs like they are, and how does genetics play a role.
2. What would you consider eugenic traits.
Then there’s some ramblings from me. I often talk jumbled before I destill the ideas to proper arguments and facts.
https://pumpkinperson.com/2019/09/26/iq-in-sub-saharan-africa/#comment-143859
Remember me to answer you tomorrow. I’m using cell now
Eugenists, most of them, seems because they are conserfs, believe only cognitive skills is relevant to promote eugenics OR worst ”blue eyes and golden hair”. Nothing against select good looking people if they weren’t sociopaths.. period.
Interestingly, if they are compared with progressist urbanites, conservatives look like more in-nature, but, they already are products of civilization but products of less-anthropomorphic one, ”still’ considerably an alienated human being from philosophical or hyperreality.
Compare them is like the biogenic social classes of Brave New World. Outsiders have as a representant Bernard Marx while most of cons are like the biogenic social classes artificially forged to constitute that hypothetical sweetly dsytopic hypothetical society.
At priori, no have such thing EUGENIC traits. But there are anti-eugenic traits, a scale of ideal desirability.
I don’t know if you know but our societies is full of predators and parasites. I think it’s important an individual be capable to predate and even to parasite, when or if these behaviors were needed, for example, a hypothetical clash with an extraterrestrial advanced civilization with bad intentions about planet Earth. The wisdom is: promote peace, harmony, love and knowledge, BUT.. never dislearning how to be defensive and agressive against real threats.
Eugenics is not ”eliminate most of traits” as many people think but prune the human trees and specially about weeds. I’m not saying all conservatives are weeds, for sure, specially their elites. But, the way they are constituted, like an original puppies [progs are like outsiders exactly because the trend to no have a better health]: good look, obedient, acritically happier, agressive against ”enemies’ and flat minded, they are exactly like cultivated prey, to work with their muscles and smile$ to favor a small group of hyper privileged real parasites.
Just like, if we can have critical thinking//rationality/empathy, good looking/and good general health…
Predators have been reduced but parasites have flourish with the pacification.
Problem with so many intelligent people is they sound so defiant. I mean, they could be speaking the truth but regardless, everything they say sounds so intense and urgent.
Pumpkin, I’m envious. Mensa says I might have a 130 IQ, but what good is that if I can’t read anywhere near as fast as Bill? 150 pages an hour?? Dear god! I can only read somewhere between 20 and 30 pages an hour.
It’s clear that genius relies on high working memory and conscientiousness as the engine. You can’t make anything happen if you have poor retention or can’t actualize information efficiently.
Lol…Pumpkin, the first episode of his documentary says a lot more about white people than it does about Bill. Bill uses his philanthropy to perform a sleight of hand; he’s seeking population control, even if he really cares about dying African children.
I know, but pill’s social IQ is so low he thinks Gates has been brainwashed by zionists into overpopulating Africa so that they can spill over into europe.
Don’t get me wrong. Some conspiracy theories are true, but I don’t think Gates is anyone’s fool.
What’s wrong with that analysis. Gates is clearly brainwashed.
From a national sample of over 100,000 children aged 12 to 13, Benbow and colleague Julian Stanley identified and studied 292 young people who scored at least 700 out of 800 in the mathematical reasoning section of the Scholastic Aptitude Test (SAT). and 165 WNO individuals scored at least 630 out of 800 in the SAT verbal section (there was some overlap between the two groups). The tests are designed to be taken by high school students.
More than 20 percent of top-rated children are left-handed or ambidextrous, Benbow reported at a conference on the “Neurobiology of Intellectual Giftedness” in New York last week. This is twice the rate of southpaw found among the general population of 12 – for 13 year olds. Young people with the highest SAT scores are also twice as likely to have allergies and four times as likely to be short-sighted, Benbow adds. Eighty per cent of “early” children have at least one of these three characteristics.
The data also support earlier studies by Jopkins researchers who found boys to be superior to girls in mathematical skills (SN: 8/28/82, p 136). For every 13 boys who scored in the East 700 on SAT math, only one girl scored a comparable score. The survey measured boys and girls’ attitudes toward mathematics and discovered differnces, says Benbow. Several environmental factors that may contribute to the gender difference in math grades also do not appear to be significant in this sample, he notes. There was no gender difference in verbal punctuation.
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/The+left+hand+of+math+and+verbal+talent.-a03743623
https://mobile.twitter.com/UnsilencedSci/status/1185202643049701378
Interesting data on the SAT.
Law school is intense. wish i had more time to chill here and read comments….
I don’t believe in IQ existing over a threshold of 155. I think that’s the ceiling for intelligence in humans. Most IQ scores are incredibly overinflated.
Bill Gates, in my estimate, would have an IQ of 145 if he took one for the first time without education or practice.
Unfortunately, we’re so exposed to IQ tests that this impacts how people perform tremendously, inflating scores by a tremendous amount.
>However these numbers assume the SAT was normally distributed, and yet empirical data from the 1980s suggests near perfect scores were much more rare than the normal curve predicts and equated to an IQ of about 170 and if anything they were likely even more rare in the 1970s when fewer people studied for the SAT.
I have read some contemporary 80s sources that site lower quality curriculum for a reduction in the SAT score from 1960s to 1980s. So those 1980s scores would have been lower and the 170 prediction would be an inaccurate inflation.
160 would be a more accurate estimation in my view. Any comments?