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Several people have asked me to estimate the IQ of late Zimbabwean leader Robert Mugabe.
According to the latest research by Richard Lynn and David Becker, the average IQ of sub-Saharan Africa is 69 however I would argue that if the data is limited to the most culture reduced tests (and I don’t mean the Raven, which is deceptively culturally loaded), it would be about 80 (UK norms/white norms). It’s important to use the most culturally reduced tests when comparing populations separated by time or space, otherwise you get ridiculous results like average IQ increasing by 7 points a decade as happened in Holland on the Raven test.
80 is 20 points the white mean of 100. If black Africans average 20 points below white populations on truly culture reduced tests, then perhaps their leaders average 20 points below the white leaders of mostly white countries.
Publicly available data suggests U.S. presidents have an average IQ of 130 (with an SD of only 12 compared to the national white SD set at 15), so let’s say black African leaders have an average IQ of 110 (SD also 12).
However Mugabe was not just any black African leader. He was exceptionally well educated, even by the standards of World leaders.
To compare Mugabe’s education to other African leaders of his generation, I found a list of the oldest presidents in Africa and tried to determine how many degrees each had. Excluding non-black leaders, the 8 oldest held the following number of degrees:
Paul Biya 4, Manuel Pinto da Costa 0?, Alpha Condé 2?, Arthur Peter Mutharika 2, Hage Geingob 3, Teodoro Obiang Nguema Mbasogo 0?, Emmerson Dambudzo Mnangagwa 2?, Alassane Ouattara 3.
The mean is 2 with a standard deviation of 1.41
So with an astonishing seven university degrees Mugabe is 3.55 SD more educated than even a group as elite as African presidents
In sub-Saharan Africa, the correlation between culture-reduced IQ and education appears to be 0.52, but in a group as homogeneous as African presidents, it would likely be lower. What is needed is the IQ vs education correlation among a specific occupation (African Presidents).
On page 345 of his book Bias in Mental Testing, Arthur Jensen shows the partial correlation between IQ and education, that is the correlation holding occupation constant. This correlation is listed as 0.27 to 0.42 (see below). Let’s split the difference and say 0.35 and assume the same correlation in Africa..
Assuming Mugabe is 3.55 SD more educated than the average African president, the partial correlation predicts his IQ would be 0.35(3.55 SD) = 1.24 SD higher than the average African presidents.
Assuming African presidents have a mean IQ of 110 with an SD of 12 (see above), this would put his expected IQ at 125 (higher than 95% of white America).
All we can say with 95% certainty is that his IQ would be anywhere from 103 to 147. One reason for thinking he’s in the upper end of this range is that he was a Marxist, and left-wing politics are positively correlated with IQ (at least if you control for race and income).
Whatever his IQ, it would have likely been substantially higher had he been born and raised in the United States, where First World nutrition would have allowed his brain size to reach its genomic potential.
One caveat to the above analysis: usually education is measured by highest degree obtained, not number of degrees. How this might affect the correlation with IQ is unclear.
Pumpkin Person 
Melo is in Ukraine right now investigating trump. Thank you for your dedication sir!
You’re welcome.
Don’t worry we’ll have that [redacted by pp, oct 2, 2019] out of office and in jail in no time!
You think this’ll be it? I’ve heard people saying that X is the time when Trump is getting impeached but it never happens.
I don’t care, either way, doesn’t affect my life and how I live it.
Well they’re actually starting the impeachment process now. Which is why trump is flipping shit. If bill got kicked out for getting head, then trump is fucked.
It does affect your life, we live in the same country doofus.
Will it affect how I live my day-to-day life? Will what I do every morning, afternoon, and evening change because Trump gets impeached? Nope.
The president has an affect on how the government operates. It will indeed change the way your life is. Whether you notice it or not.
So, in what I do in my 19 hours of daily activity, what will change? How will it change?
What do you do?
PT.
Try to think economically.”
“if the data is limited to the most culture reduced tests”
Which tests?
Digit span & blocks
I’m aware of data for bias in those subtests, too. I’ll get some later.
Digits likely has some bias if you’re taking it in your non-first language, but much less than other oral tests
It is biased; articulation speed and fluency in the laungage affected the digit span value. See “Godard Digit Span and Articulation Speed for Malay and English and Two Chinese Dialects”. Michael Cole’s dictum holds true—all IQ tests are culture-bound.
How much does it actually affect it tho?
Elliott showed thus faster languages have longer spans; slower languages have slower ones, as it’s about diction. Digit span varies cross-linguistically due to how ping it takes to say a span of digits in a given language.
Further, early exposure to letters and numbers has one process them quicker since they’re more familiar with them. Familiarity is key here.
Also see Ellis, N. C. & Hennelly, R. A. (1980). A bilingual word-length effect: Implications for intelligence testing and the relative ease of mental calculation in Welsh and English. British Journal of Psychology, 71, 43-51. They show that Welsh digits took longer to pronounce than English digits. English readers could read faster. Faster reading rates in English predicted larger digit spans in English than in Welsh. So digit span differences between English and Welsh are due to articulation speed differences between the languages, language has an impact on working memory
Ok then. Well just take a bunch of black and white guys that are all of the same social class and who all speak the same language and then we’ll test their digit span. Problem solved
Digit span is not about memory**
Hahaha
It’s the ability to remember numbers and recite them backwards, Santo.
And I appreciate your support, good man. You have sparked a lot of creative and intellectual ideas in my head, so I thank you for that, Santo.
Hope we can continue this kindred spirit because it is admirable that you have empathized with me even though most choose not to. Very appreciated!
you all should know that michael cole is a professional wrestling announcer.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Cole_(wrestling)
the digit span is obviously culturally loaded because the test changes across languages. this is how that dutch guy defined “culturally loaded”.
“just take a bunch of black and white guys that are all of the same social class and who all speak the same language and then we’ll test their digit span. Problem solved”
What do you think we’ll find? Aware of any data on this? Digit span is influenced by a host of variables. L
So, PP’s pet “culture reduced subtests” are, of course, a farce since all cognizing takes place in specific cultural contexts.
Another note: I’ll get the cite later, but blacks are exposed to fewer words in infancy. Familiarity with words,letters and numbers has one identify things quicker. So if blacks are exposed to X at later ages, if at all, this affects their familiarity with text items. Again: context-dependency, from the genome to development is ubiquitous.
Also, Fagan and Holland (2002, 2007) showed that IQ differences between blacks and whites are due to differential cultural access to the knowledge on the test—something I’ve been saying for years! So, it seems that my deduction has an empirical basis.
Cahan and Cohen (1989) noted that nine-year-olds in fourth grade had higher IQs (know more things) than nine-year-olds in third grade. Hmmm how weird…
”hahaha”
R&R,
If a digit span is a spoken test in typical/ non-digital evaluation [seems], and more longer words for numbers have an impact on time of execution, don’t mean this test no have any validity..
Can you be able to differentiate one thing from another*
What’s you can’t explain is, why students in the same class, for years, don’t develop the SAME skill levels on all required subjects** Can you*
“What’s you can’t explain is, why students in the same class, for years, don’t develop the SAME skill levels on all required subjects** Can you*”
Motivation, self-efficacy beliefs, home environment (especially in the early years) etc etc. Schooling is but one part—though important to the bioecological model. It’s all about context and a schooling context is obviously important but other factors regarding the individual come into play, too.
So Yea “hahaha” since digit span is mostly a memory test.
What self efficacy belief mean???
Afro descent people tend to have high self esteem while east asian descent tend to have comparatively lower self esteem.
Motivation is often correlated with facility to reach determined point. Or task.
Facility in given subject can be confused with motivation even one thing often is the product of other.
The foundational factor to explain theses differences is genetic or whatever the name you want to use… and vilanize.
You abstract concrete evidence any teacher can notice while literalize abstract theoretical material.
I come out as a leftist. Right winkers are on avg, very alienated. And cruel sub humans. Conservatism is for human what a bird which don’t learn to fly, it’s a doctrine of mediocrity and all the time is brainswashing People to “le divine right ” of Absolutism. But… all this leftist -ideologically charged scientific literature is wrong too. The message behind the denial of evident intrinsic human differences is: ” we are all the same, absolutely speaking.. if we believe in natural differences we will justify le divine right., that some people is poor by their fault and we can’t promote social justice “. It’s perfectly possible conciliate the historical fact of systemic social injustices with biological outcomes without justify or excuse them.
Tell me about you in school , your achievements and reasons.
Mugabe was in jail whilst accumulating these degrees. This may have been of assistance: if you’ve nothing better to do etc… Then what about his tutors; perhaps a sympathetic bias in favour of a man being held as a political prisoner? Finally what were the degree subjects? Did he cut across disciplines or stay on familiar territory?
RR proves how is the murricana mindset
Emotions make up most of the chaos and complexity in our Universe. They create fundamental truths and layering into our minds. And then we digest them and take them into our inner beliefs about the world.
This causes us to create rationalizations for who we are and makes us uniquely misunderstood. From there, things start looking a bit trickier because there’s a heavy pull on some peoples’ perceptions of emotions into our world. And then we disambiguate by having us find new perceptual techniques to feel important.
”Emotions make up most of the chaos and complexity in our Universe”
This part i don’t understand.
I think personality is a kind of primitive intelligence.
Emotions are reactions
Intelligence is the projection of senses to observe, analyse and judge.
Our personalities is our first refference to the world. Some people transcend personality and become more rational. Others, become very subjective, resulting in rationalizations, what you said.
”This causes us to create rationalizations for who we are and makes us uniquely misunderstood. From there, things start looking a bit trickier because there’s a heavy pull on some peoples’ perceptions of emotions into our world. And then we disambiguate by having us find new perceptual techniques to feel important.”
Yes, RR rationalization approach because his feelings about southern italians is disturbinly interesting.
Emotions might be just reactions but those reactions are so powerful in a physical and abstract form that they create something beyond our Universe, penetrating past the thin veil of our Universe, creating beautiful portals into many possibility realities.
This is a poetic an not-wrong way to understand emotion. But i also like to understand it as product of evolution to reinforce adaptative paths.
Of course, that makes sense.
“Yes, RR rationalization approach because his feelings about southern italians is disturbinly interesting.” *
Interesting that you think I care about a place I’ve never been to.
Hey, I’m american but i dont believe in the literalism that RR suscribes to.
Yes, i’m talking about the avg murricana mind. Lots of good exceptions.
In moral intelligence, RR always sound deficient.
Yes, Americans are sociopaths but it can be corrected in the future. There’s a lack of emotional honesty that plays a huge part.
So I think americans are worse than fascists
That’s a good way to describe it. RR is a literalist.
Or maybe just autistic.
Nope.
“nOpE.”
lOL
But Americans have A LOT of competition in their countries.
Sorry, was talking about North America, hahaha.
And not between but inside of.
And I meant blacks, not Americans. Meant black Americans to be exact.
http://test.mensa.no/
New mensa test
good luck
110..
Lmao mensa
https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2019/08/18/high-iq-societies/amp/
I know RR,
but i still find it interesting.
I know, instead creating thousand of TESTS why not these psychologists begin to evaluate people’s cognitive profiles** Much more nuanced and complete than deduct by tests like these.
Interesting….scored an 88!? Wow, I did not expect that in my worst possible dreams.
Based on your vocabulary here, i don’t think you have that score, at least in vocabulary subtest…
My vocab and possible crystallized intelligence/long-term memory has a composite score of around 130 or higher, imo.
Factual knowledge comes easy to me.
Also a very abstract thinker if you read my comments.
I knew I had the IQ of a criminal…
I think IQ is destiny because it doesn’t specifically only measure intelligence…it also tests all other personality traits a person might have. IQ is more meaningful than any astrological, spiritual, or even cognitive-based explanation for who you are/notion of oneself.
It’s difficult to understand because an “intelligence” test means testing intelligence, but it measures more than that and pretty much is like a class-based association thing or at least SHOULD BE!!!!!!!!!!
IQ is destiny because cognitive capitalism need people with higher technical capabilities … but… with also domesticated psychological constitution or lower critical thing like Pill or Muggy.
IQ is a contest or competition while humanity evolved to understand things based on these essences.
think..king..
I got 138 on this. My IQ is prob closer to 130 than 138.
I did second time and got 110 again.
Matrix reasoning is just one component of IQ, so I wouldn’t take too much out of this, especially as an online test.
I actually took the mensa test and I scored nowhere near 138.
The test you did is similar to this*
https://www.cambridgebrainsciences.com/
I’ll reiterate the fact that, in Isaac Newton’s biography by Pumpkin Person, I stated that if I had a 20 IQ point increase in every possible sub-test, I would be the most successful genius of all time. And if I had a 40 point IQ increase in each sub-test, I would’ve had an IQ to make me the most successful human of all time.
Rationality makes up a big factor of why I’d think that about myself. I think it also encourages us to understand that success is generally cross-culturally accepted as a universally good thing, and might be the only thing, really.
Homosexuality correlates to sexual openness in general. I mean, if you have no standards in who you’re fucking in terms of girls then you have no problem fucking guys!
I think it’s mostly a myth. Majority of homossexuals just want to have a intimate and often romantic relationships with people of the same sex since always. It’s not a opennes, because it’s not a movement from a previous psycho-sexual state to another if we born like that way.
Those who are truly open to have deep relationships with both sexes are, of course, bissexual ones. But also there are those who have very lower control about sex or are hypersexual ones and maybe, have a typical heterossexual preference.
American morality is taking positive emotions to mean that they’re doing the right thing. Isn’t that the most naive and stupid thing you could’ve heard of?
American morality is easily reducible to a single word: money.
Meritocracy is a huge thing for most americans, even we know this is mostly false or very restritive.
Thanks for socialists sucesses inside modern liberal ”democracies’ we mostly have a improved quality of life, BUT… it’s barrely enough.
Yes, absolutely true, America is a place of money-hungry vultures and leeches.
I just bought an iPhone 11 because I thought that was going to be the only thing that’d make me feel good. My parents were both STEM majors, graduates, and professionals. My mom has two PhDs in two types of chemistry majors.
My mom is a director of science for a company making Alzheimer’s medicine and my dad is a now-retired radiologist.
And it doesn’t help my self-esteem issues that I’ve had so much pressure placed on me as a kid to perform.
I’m sorry for you, human life had been unnecessarily tough..
Now we have many socialist politicians defending the universal income
how dare u
At least we keep it all intellectual here, despite our “mediocre” intelligence.
Also, kudos to Mensa for making such a great test. It’s hard to explain but I think it’s possible…
lemme start by saying that intelligence is basically supposed to measure how much someone will achieve in life. if you can make a test like that, no matter what it is, then you’ll succeed in having an accurate IQ test!
The best way to know how smart someone is and for what [and for whom] it’s basically by complete professional evaluation and not just by … tests…
The pragmatic/capitalistic mentality is behind IQ industry. It’s easier analyse millions of people in superficial ways than analyse every individual separately.
Iqists are so ignorant to IQ as capitalists are to capitalism or socialists are to communists… fanaticism is a kind of positive bias… fan-naticals can’t think their myths can be wrong in some way… [and lgbt activists these days, too].
IQ has many sub-tests. Someone can be fantastic in some of these sub-tests and it mean something more than a test score. But IQists are more concerned about their low self-esteem masked as cognitive elitism. If you need to feel superior to another by any aspect of your life, so…
Be a trumpist or a neonazitrash
that’s the question…
Yes, astonishing.
Did You Know That President Mugabe Is The World’s Most Educated Leader? With 7 Degrees
Also, Kim Jong-Il is the worlds best golfer.
Kim Jong-Il once carded 38-under par at Pyongyang Golf Course
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-7631103/Scientists-say-predict-memory-fading-70s-looking-tests-took-eight.html
Makes sense.