Commenter Ray Penver writes:
Hi, PP! It’s me again
I wonder what would be your estimation of Isaac Newton’s IQ.
I know quite a bit about his life.
He’s considered the best physicist and scientist ever, one of the best mathematicians ever and one of the most influential people, too.
So, what do you think?
Newton’s IQ is fascinating because not only is he considered the best physicist of all time, but according to Michael Hart’s book The 100, the second most influential person of all time; though one led to the other. These aren’t independent achievements,
So what was his IQ?
According to this source, 60.5 billion people have lived from 1 AD to 2011. Let’s say 16% were white. Assuming Newton was the best physicist to ever live, he would have at the very least been at the one in 9.68 billion level among whites, which is +6.33 standard deviations (SD) on a normalized curve.
However great achievement requires more than just ability. It also helps to have 10,000 hours of practice, among other things. Ability seems to explain 66% to 70% of the variance in various cognitive performance, suggesting ability correlates 0.82 with performance.
So if Newton were +6.33 SD in physics performance, we’d expect him to be 0.82(+6.33) = +5.19 SD in physics ability.
How much does physics ability correlate with IQ? The math section of the WIAT correlates 0.84 with WAIS-IV full-scale IQ, so if Newton were +5.19 SD in physics ability, I’d expect him to be 0.84(+5.19 SD) = +4.4 SD in IQ. In other words, I’d expect him to have scored IQ 166 (white norms) on a random test normed in his day.
To appreciate how high that is, young white American men have an average height of 5’10.1″ (SD = 2.94″) so an IQ of 166 is the height equivalent of being 6’11”. Both are +4.4 SD.
So just as we might expect the greatest basketball player of all time to be 6’11”, we’d expect the greatest physicist of all time to be IQ 166.
To those who think even IQ 166 is not high enough for a mind as great as Newton, I point to examples of other great minds who scored much lower on IQ tests such as Ted Kaczynski in adulthood or Garry Kasparov. For those who say the tests weren’t valid measures of their intelligence, I say IQ is an imperfect science. An IQ score is simply one’s performance on highly g loaded psychometric tasks not a direct measure of neurological functioning, so occasionally it will give highly flawed results. IQ 166 is simply my best guess of how Newton would have scored on a randomly selected high ceiling IQ test considered valid in his time and place, not necessarily a prediction of his actual intelligence.
Pumpkin Person 
Best commenter on this whole damn blog. Step yo mathafuckin games up.
i agree i am.
Even Santo admitted it, I’m the most prolific dude here.
Right now yes, continue with this great job, 😉
Really, i’m not being sarcastic.
Santo is someone who is an open homosexual.
Always have a new blood here is good to make you and your retarded boyfriend shadowed…
I think youre the most annoying and childish, which takes some doing.
However, as time progresses, HAL begins to malfunction in subtle ways and, as a result, the decision is made to shut down HAL in order to prevent more serious malfunctions.
shit breaks. the more complex it is the easier it is to break.
The most prolific commenter since the great RGM.
and the psychiatric symptoms of huntington’s are much less common in late onset cases and usually subtle even in early onset cases such that the chorea is the first symptom almost always. but then after that the people become schizo and retarded at the same time. guthrie was diagnosed ca age 40 but had issues from at least age 35. he died in an asylum at age 55 in 1967.
and psychiatric complaints are common whereas huntington’s is rare so likely is… until physical symptoms appear the diseased are indistinguishable from the well.
and contra pill there is no (pre-morbid) difference in IQ (plus or minus)…or so i have read. and contra me there is no difference in TFR.
could also be my father and his two siblings have genetic “adjuvators” for the shitty htt allele…but half my genes are my mothers…
anyway i’m not very worried, but my bro is sunk.
by “not very worried” i mean even if i test with 36-43 repeats i know i can die from something else…and even if it’s going to kill me i can CHOOSE to die from something else….
it’s tolerable until the last year…and you can still be a man and do it.
but it makes you a manichean/gnostic…
the God of THIS world is NOT all good…to put it mildly…the “good” God is not all powerful…
and this is a much more satisfying worldview than atheism/retardism.
but rome had to beat the manicheans…because ROME ALWAYS WINS.
in the future everyone will speak english and everyone will be a roman catholic.
NOT joking!
the LONGEST running show in american tv…7x longer than the actual war…
korea (in retrospect) may have been the MOST moral american war.
awnnnn, so sooorry…
”the God of THIS world is NOT all good…to put it mildly…the “good” God is not all powerful…
and this is a much more satisfying worldview than atheism/retardism.”
A mentally stupid saying your childishnesses…
Do you have fear of the darkness, little boy*
My best friends told me….neva trust a Chinaman
Where is Robert Limbsey*
There are many sick and twisted people on the internet…but none like me.
Why*
How ”shick” you are*
I think all great intelletuals are gays, not cucks. Thats what makes them great.
Or at least the admirer of aesthetics. No cucky behavior in sight. Just pure aesthetic-based withdrawl and stimulation.
”I think all great intelletuals are gays”
My cognitive bias say ”yes, absolutely true”
My reason say ”very likely no”.
Samto, not literally, just in spirit.
but as to the theoretical situation where you knew you’d die or be disabled for certain or in a certain time…
i can tell y’all EXACTLY what i’d do.
there is still one great feat in mountaineering UN-accomplished.
i’d try it…because the fact that i’d likely die in the attempt would be NOT dissuasion.
can peepee name it?
IQ question!
Gangkhar Puensum
Oh easy peasy!
verbal IQ question.
Why cant I get Santos opinion on transexuals?
I’m against transsexual at the same way i’m in favor of homossexual…. NATURE. If i can, i will not be tolerant but not full-blown insensitive with people believing they are born in the wrong body or wrong sex. It’s desilusional, as well homophobia. Homophobia is just like have fear of care bears, disproportional, stupid, as you.
^^^BORING^^^
Take a mirror mister incel.
I was reading the lord of the rings lore and Tolkiens writings actually do relate to real world groups. Puppy won’t let me say the obvious one without moderating my comment. But another example is the haradrim being a stand in for arabs/persians.
So Swank disappears and stops the propganda and suddenly a new commenter appears named loaded who is just as annoying, maybe even more annoying and has super PC views like Swank pretends to.
I dont have super PC views. I think all people should be segrageted by races. I have some moderate views, but the rest are extreme and not conventional.
I hope Bernie wins, though.
This comment shows low social IQ. It’s completely obvious swank isn’t loaded.
Phil shifts from smart to dumb very often. Very volitile. He’s less frequently smart today, but thats becuase theres not much left to talk about. Very often he makes good points without being thorough, while in the past he’d explain himself more.
Which uh is of course the same views I have. PC means ‘perpetually correct’. All hail Martin Luther King!
Wont be long now before jews use the media to condition people to accepting people marrying dead people. Then Puppy will then claim that allowing people to marry dead people shows high IQ because its tolerant.
LOL!
High IQ people do have a lower disgust sensitivity. Plus the “proclivity” for being abstract-minded, one could potentially induce certain immoral behaviors on the high IQ as some form of liberating experience.
Damn, that’s something I’ve always wanted to put into words, but never could. Your verbal IQ must be pretty spectacular, Billy!
Immoral behavior is force the people to behave in some way based on emotional/metaphysical blackmail.
Life is JUST ONE.
Domesticated religious people [namely monotheistic] believe they will live forever in the ”sky” if they behave based on artwork treated as an absolute reality.
LOADED,
It’s not verbal iq but just phrases popularised d by the evolutionary psychologist Satoshi Kanazawa.
Thinking Mouse is right. Most of what I said is based on popular phrases or wording. I just emphasized the negative. But my verbal IQ is still in the gifted range, according to the RAIT, though I don’t think that exactly means I should/would be a good wordsmith.
Really, my interpretation has always been that verbal IQ, or crystallized intelligence, is your ability to understand and organize concepts – essentially, your ability to network ideas. But someone who has a high verbal and not a sufficiently high performance will only relate concepts on its apparent meaning and value, and supposedly not understand the underlying concept(s) if layered.
So I guess you could say that verbal IQ is to network and performance IQ is to distill.
one yuge upshot if i’m positive for HIV, i mean huntington’s disease (36+), is there’s probably a dating site full of super sexy “dancers”.
BUT:
1. there was none of this dancing shit with my dad (except his eyebrows…like my black standard poodle…we called it the (dog) “eyebrow language”). it’s like the patient is a marionette and geppetto is lifitng his fingers “a little bit” at random.
none of that shit.
2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MAEuoyoMaU
…
the HORRIBLE truth of this is jimmy “the gent” (a non-italian)…
KILLED…
ALL of these people.
this is why NEVER admit a non-italian.
NEVER!
NEVER!
Puppy basically is there ever a situation that someone can be intolerant. And I don’t mean intolerant of people that are intolerant only.
interesting…walcott lived to 80…marciano died in a (mafia) plane crash.
like willie mays is still alive, but jackie robinson is long dead.
the beauty of an irish setter is life changing.
i was there.
he had a hemorrhage.
i hugged him.
i told him he was a good dog.
what was is supposed to do?
pill needs to stop taking his meds.
his comments are like a wet bathrobe.
sad!
another way of putting it is…
Beautiful, absolutely beautiful, no bias whatsoever.
1st and last chapters of my book where i combine science and spirituality
(PI) Other things equal, intrinsic moral value is proportional to
autonomy.
(P2) Other things equal, autonomy is proportional to intelligence.
(Cl) Hence, other things equal, intrinsic moral value is proportional to
intelligence. [(PI), (P2)]
(P3) Whites and Asians have greater per capita levels of intelligence
than blacks.
(C2) Hence, other things equal, whites and Asians have greater per
capita intrinsic moral value than blacks. [(Cl), (P3)]
(P4) Other factors do not offset this difference in per capita moral
value.
(C3) Hence, all things considered, whites and Asians have greater per
capita intrinsic moral value than blacks. [(C2), (P4)]
https://sci-hub.tw/10.2307/40441258
haha. disregarded on the basis that IQ tests don’t test intelligence. how is P1 supported? Can anyone support P1? P2?
I quite obviously reject P3, but I’d like some defenses for P1 and P2. PP? MeLo?
RR, dont ask for proof yet because i am not aware of any study about this. My hypothesis but not conjecture or speculation like santo does. Blacks on avg have lower IQs. But blacks can be more functional than other people for the same IQ level. A 70 IQ black person would likely be less retarded than a 70 IQ other race person. And 180 IQ black could be more intelligent than a 180 IQ person of other race.
Jensen wrote about that. I think either in Bias in Mental Tezting or The g Factor. Still, it’s not evidence for P3.
“haha. disregarded on the basis that IQ tests don’t test intelligence.”
Yeah it does.
“but I’d like some defenses for P1 and P2.”
Well I feel P1 is implied from our definition of moral realism. However, I don’t believe in any objective morality. So I can disregard it, you can’t though. P2 is also self implied a priori as intelligence is simply your capacity for proficiency in any subject including morality.
“lateefqua” is one of my chillens names…but my bro is retarded so who really knows.
and YES!
my brother does all the foster care shit, because “responsible”.\\
No it doesn’t.
How is it implied?
So then, if you “don’t believe in any objective morality”, then the argument collapses for you.
Assuming “IQ tests” test “intelligence”: false.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.15252/embr.201744140
For example. we can say “being thin, compared with being obese” is good. We can say this since we know basic facts about human biology and what body fatness does and how it is correlated with numerous diseases (since high carb diets are related to obesity and heart disease).
For example, in Mauritania, they force-feed their women since being obese is seen as beautiful in their societies, and if they are not obese, then it’s hard, or next to impossible, for a woman to find a mate. There are even Mauritanian love songs which espouse this notion.
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/18141550/ns/health-health_care/t/mauritania-struggles-love-fat-women/
They get force-fed up to 16,000 kcal per day in order to pack on body fat.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/3429903.stm
Since we know basic facts about human biology and obesity, we can therefore say that that is morally wrong.
Unless you contest the basic facts about human biology and obesity, you’d have to accept the argument.
“No it doesn’t.”
Ya huh, get out of here with that shit you filthy dualist/athiest half-breed.
“How is it implied?”
Isn’t moral realism the belief that there is an objective fact on whats moral and whats not? Autonomy is the capacity of that. At least in Kant’s terms. Maybe you mean something else.
“So then, if you “don’t believe in any objective morality”, then the argument collapses for you.”
Yeah, but again im an ethical subjectivist so I don’t care.
“Assuming “IQ tests” test “intelligence”: false.”
I’m not assuming shit, what the hell does GWAS have to do with whether IQ measures intelligence? What about GWAS for your ability to lift weights?
“Since we know basic facts about human biology and obesity, we can therefore say that that is morally wrong.”
No, you can’t. You cannot justify the claim that healthiness is something that is morally good. That is the requirement for establishing moral objectivity.
How is “Autonomy the capacity of that”?
Just read the article.
GWAS for my ability to lift weights is irrelevant.
“You cannot justify the claim that healthiness is something that is morally good. That is the requirement for establishing moral objectivity.”
I justified the claim that Mauritanians force-feeding little girls 16000 kcal per day in an effort to make them obese is morally wrong due to the facts we know bout obesity
(1) https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/autonomy-moral/
(2) The point is that GWAS is irrelevant to answering the question “does IQ measure something real” Weight lifting is an analogy. Would GWAS studies on weight lifting ability being affected by social factors indicate that weight lifting is not measuring anything real?
(3) The facts we know about obesity cannot differentiate what is morally wrong. Your equating moral goodness with being healthy whilst provding no justification whatsoever. It doesn’t matter how intuitive it seems.
All subjectivity have an objectivity, because all subjective IS partial… So all parts have its whole.
That’s the problem when we have people without hyper-realism as Melo thinking arrogantly in philosophy. It’s just like a typical engineer teaching poetry.
Objective morality is the highest level of morality as well geniality is the highest level of intelligence.
For sure, objective morality is not omnipresent. Nonhuman animals, because LESS awareness about their reality and themselves, act in diverse ways, for us, these diversity can be absolutely imoral.
Everything about right and wrong is based on ”what is balanced and what is not”.
What?
who doesn’t look like “that guy”?
6’2″ and built is the guy pesci played.
but for hollywood purposes he was very short.
the ULTIMATE motherfucker =
my irish setter is getting pissed off…
DeSimone was infamous for his violent temper. While playing pinochle with Agro and Joseph Iannuzzi, he would throw darts at the other players when he started losing. Hill later described DeSimone as a “a fucking loo…
You
”little head + retarded”
Pumpkin can you do an IQ analysis on Aleister Crowley? This is technically a horror themed blog, and he was known as the wickedest man alive for his time.
Interesting idea
Pill, do you think I could be Hillary Clinton? I used to actually have delusions where I thought my mother could’ve actually been her.
Wow, I was such a mentally ill person. I used to use racial slurs a lot when I was younger. I still do, but never to a person’s face anymore.
Pill thinking I’m PC is hilarious. Next, he’ll think I’m ACTUALLY Hillary Clinton. Mad!
I’m just a narcissist flowing through a pool of narcissism. I’ve perfectly timed my life to encounter the cruelest punishments while also liberating my soul from torture. Reasonably reasoned, I assert.
Pill is right, though, I am very childish. But there’s always someone behind you who tries to act more childish than you do. That’s some life advice, Pill. Look at the people around you, and tell me, do you see any fascinating clues to deducting whether or not your parents may be a sort of childish crutch you may have or vice versa?
Pill no have capacity to judge people properly way. He believes philosophy is follow instincts while it’s at some extent, the opposite.
When is it the opposite?
Deduction! Sherlock Holmes was the true greatest genius! If there ever existed a time where people were as intelligent as they were during the Victorian period, then you can probably understand that people of his caliber existing would be perfectly rational to believe. Sherlock Holmes was and is the greatest genius of all time, along with Aleister Crowley. It makes so much sense now.
As you can see, I’m ultra-ADHD. Can’t tell whether any other symptoms have occurred but as you can see, I hope they do not.
At this point, I feel like that WebMed reader who always checks on his symptoms online and finds a bunch of diseases he or she has. I can’t think of anything worst.
I think i’m a ADHD too because i can’t easily control my thoughts and i was always dragged by my imagination and introspective impulsivity. But, my ADHD is not too bad as many people with this believe, maybe because i dislike to see myself as a person who need be adapted in the corrupted, stupid and or exploitative whorecaholic society.
I feel a very similar sentiment to yours. I hate today’s society as well and its ethics, virtues, etc. This is why I refuse to ask conventionally.
*act
*worse
Regardless, I think that mumble rap is certified as the greatest music genre because every syllable someone recites is a testament to God somehow and to feel so humbled to say something to millions of people in the hopes of having them understand you is something special.
White people owe everything to blacks. Or almost everything. Culture is all a meme/virus that came out of Africa. Nowhere else.
Whitey is mentally challenged, they imported millions of africans to America and know they don’t want them here. And no have ANY morally correct reason to do that.
All peoples are like whitey, but they are only one who definitely started to expand their madness to all continents.
And ”now” they don’t…
Modern-day culture is all based around blacks producing it. All entertainment is made for blacks to enjoy. Fundamental aspect of why whites don’t receive enough dopamine and becoming walking psychopaths.
Ian Smith has the best persuasive techniques. Don’t @ me.
I do believe that the best measure of how eugenic a population is by looking at their selective pressures. The more hostile the area, the more likely you are to encounter eugenic breeding in that area.
My parents are very conservative btw.
Islam was a bunch of bullcrap. Fakery. But there’s truth to all religions. So just remember that.
The moderating system is retarded, Pumpkin. Let people post whatever they want. And if it’s offensive, then just ban them immediately.
Like a game of Russian roulette. Just ban the fuck out of them.
I’ve lived in the worst neighborhoods in Chicago, Memphis, and Dallas. That shit be real, homie.
One’s dead, one’s in prison for life.
Listen to this at .5 speed. Called “Drop Out.” About a harvard drop-out.
Bill Gates. Nuff said.
there’s been a huge change in black crania over the last century! I bet it’s so strong that it offset any dysgenics that was taking place, thus leading to a Flynn effect of some sort!
Regardless of whether or not you believe IQ is inheritable, testosterone is highly determined by one’s daily routine or exercise in thought and action. Most of testosterone might only be heritable because it relies more on one’s personality traits and cognitive development.
Testosterone production is highly influenced by how you act. I’ve written numerous articles on the matter.
Articles based on another studies.
OTHERWISE, your testosterone levels affects your behavior.
Decreasing testosterone in older men = testosterone influence on behavior and not otherwise.
Increasing testosterone in adolescent males = testosterone influence on behavior.
Testosterone variation is due to organism behavior/development/cycle which influence mental/hormonal behavior.
Organismal development [included testosterone variation] affect your behavior and not otherwise.
When you’re sexually mature testosterone reach their maximum levels. When you’re older testosterone decrease.
Behavior affects T levels. Your choices you make (whether you have kids or not, whether or not you become obese) affect T production. The so-called decrease in testosterone that starts around age 30 can be ameliorated. Don’t have kids, stay in shape, eat a lot of animal fat and meat. I’m sitting Damn good because I have no kids and I’m in the best shape of my life. (I’ll leave a reference for thst later.)
Damn, so me and RR in agreement.
the big thing at harvard in the 60s was being COOL.
being cool was a virtue (like thrift) to be cultivated.
i axed my dad, “who’s the one guy you’ve met that you expected to do things?”
larry mckinney.
didn’t do anything by american standards. did buddhism.
the big thing at harvard in the 60s was being COOL.
being cool was a virtue (like thrift) to be cultivated.
i axed my dad, “who’s the one guy you’ve met that you expected to do things?”
larry mckinney.
didn’t do anything by american standards. did buddhism.
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Pumpkin, say for instance if someone gave you a computer program’s source code, and understand how everything works, but if someone told you to produce code yourself, would it be normal for a 120 Math/logic IQ 16 year old to be completely lost? Would it also be normal to understand Physics on a conceptual level (as in all of the concepts make sense), but the math takes 10-12 tries to fully understand?