Commenter Mikey writes:
Pumpkin could you do me a solid and calculate my IQ based on my GED score? (I want Pumpkins opinion)
I dropped out of hi school after graduating from,the 9th grade. And was held back one grade, but it should have been 2 (my father convinced the school to let me pass)
I studied evolutionary psychology , along with other general social sciences nearly eery day for the next 4 years straight
I passed the GED exam. On my 1st try.
I was 19,years old,
My scores were
Language arts/writing. 440. 27th percentile rank
Social,Studies. 660. 95th percentile,rank
Science. 520. 58th percentile rank
Language Arts/reading. 550. 69th percentile. Rank
Mathematics. 480. 42nd percentile
Total score. 2650
Passing score is 2250 passing score in each category is 410
I grew up abused and neglected by family members, paternity uncertainty was a big factor for several years,single parent household I’m male but was raised as a woman had my 1st suicidal thoughts in elementary school,. Had to see the psychologist at the school because I wrote my mom only loved me sometimes, when we had to make a letter to our parents. my father was surprised when I told him I was straight at 13, one of the first girls I dated made me take my shirt off to prove I was a boy, I would occasionally be mistaken for a girl during puberty. Not so much after although I still had a “girls voice” My father came out to me saying he is bisexual when I was 19. Everyone in the family new, “hey son do you want to get your nails painted with me?” He asked me that twice when I was 13 ill never forget it.
My aunt is a lesbian, and my uncle has Autism,
At 16 my mom decided that starving me would change my behavior, it did not, I simply adapted to the caloric deficit. I bought multivitamins and supplements and began experimenting with liquid diets In order to survive.
I have been in handcuffs 5 times but never been booked or charged
I have been homeless more than a dozen times as a teenager.
One night was so cold if I had not stolen some gasoline from a nearby garage and made a bonfire out of a couple flower pots and tree leaves I wouldn’t have survived the night.
I took steroids for a few months at 18, because I knew I naturally didn’t have the moxy it would take to make it out of my situation, I ended up injecting myself with more than 10 times the average amount of testosterone as well as trenbolone and other roids in the hope of a long lasting permanent affect. My voice got permanently deeper, my aggression skyrocketed, I grew pecs permanent arm definition my face got wider and more scoelish and I grew a Windows peak. I essentially went thru a second puberty.
I ended up terrorizing my family into submission while holding down a 9 to 5 and got my crush from high school pregnant, and almost ahem “took care of” her whole family and mine too. The juice helped me turn my life around but desperate times had to call for desperate measures.
Despite these problems I never had any difficulty making friends although I do tend to get into a lot of fist fights thru out life even before the juice
I was diagnosed with ADHD at 14, and I really had it. To my surprise I grew out of all,of the Attention Deficit issues over a period of 6 months from age 20 and 6 months going into age 21 (symptoms vanishing into adult hood is actually the most common scenario according to a few studies I have seen) Now I have one of the longest attention spans any one could have. Also I never was a drug addict which I believe is a huge reason,why I grew out of that disorder. I now have an extraordinarily long, i would even say superhuman attention span because my brain is still hyperactive.
Im just laying out all the info maybe you would need for the most accurate analysis.
Well let’s focus on your GED scores where you averaged 530 on the total battery. According to some data I found, GED takers have a mean battery average of 519.9 with a standard deviation of 77.64.
This means you scored 0.13 standard deviations higher than the average GED taker. Of course the GED is not an official IQ test, but if one were to try to crudely map GED scores to IQ, one would need to know the IQ distribution of those who take the test. Those who take the GED are primarily a mix of those who remain high-school dropouts (IQ 88.77 [U.S. norms]) by failing the GED and those who get their GED and seldom more than than that (IQ 97.28).
The chart below shows the average IQ of various education levels:
So on average, I would guess that people taking the GED average IQ 93 with a slightly restricted standard deviation of 13.5 (typical of people with similar education). Thus, if Mikey scored 0.13 SD above this group, it would equate to an IQ of:
0.13(13.5) + 93 = IQ 95 (U.S. norms) or IQ 92 (U.S. white norms)
Such a score would be higher than 37% of the U.S. population and 30% of the U.S. white population.
An IQ of 92 (white norms) is not low, it’s only 0.53 standard deviation below the white mean. A man who is 0.53 SD below the white mean in sex-adjusted height would be a respectable 5’8.5″.
Of course the GRE is NOT an official IQ test, and given your tumultuous upbringing, it’s quite possible that it dramatically underestimated your ability.
Even Arthur Jensen admitted that black kids raised in extremely deprived environments (i.e. rural Georgia) saw their IQs decline by 15 points. Given the adversity you describe, and given that you have a lot of high IQ interests, your true IQ could be 15 points higher than what your GRE scores equate to, so perhaps 107 (white norms).
On the other hand, if your IQ truly were 92, than a life of adversity is exactly what one would expect you to have, so it’s a chicken and egg problem.
My guesstimate – not scientific but I can tell you I’ve been quite more often right than wrong – based on reading five of your comments would be around 120 Verbal (90th percentile) and 95 other-g (35th percentile) putting you around in 70th percentile (93th percentile for black). In my estimate, you are much clever than precious. And I really didn’t find Precious stupid at all.
And for people with huge difference, verbal and other-g, I would say it’s your verbal intelligence that defines your intelligence. And it’s quite high.
Mikey Blayze said:
thank you guys, for the analysis! I will schedule an official IQ test from a psychologist and then compare the 2 scores. I know I am a late bloomer. A late bloomer is defined as a person whose talents or capabilities are not visible to others until later than usual. The term is used metaphorically to describe a child or adolescent who develops slower than others in their age group, but eventually catches up and in some cases overtakes their peers, or an adult whose talent or genius in a particular field only appears later in life than is normal – in some cases only in old age.
Pumpkin i forgot to mention more possibly helpful information in the post. My mother (mixed race black,white arab in order of racial majority) was officially tested as an adult to have as she puts it a “slightly above average IQ”. She is widely considered by people to be beautiful and is 5ft 11. Also has a Bachelors degree in the medical field. Father is mixed race (white black arab in order of racial majority) went to college, did not finish but has lied to companies his whole life saying he did graduate. He is in his 60s now and his been vice president of more than one company. He has never been caught. He is 6ft 3 with movie star, as in leading man movie star good looks. He is the more “beautiful” or best looking of the two. Beautiful people generally have a higher intelligence than average.
However my sister and I are far less physically attractive than our parents are because we have a large amount of recessive physical traits that come from having parents that are 3 different races. As a matter of fact my ancestry.com profile showed our arab and african ancestors from hundreds of years ago but not our white came from the same exact tribe or group of people. Essentially they are very very very distant cousins. Which is explains why my maternal grandfather and paternal father look like brothers (both are mixed).
Also my parents conceived me when they were both 35. My father had been a drinker and smoker for over a decade at this point meaning his sperm quality was greatly diminished, along with my mothers egg quality due to age, meaning even more mutations. Since my older sister was conceived when they were 29, she has less mutations than I do and therefore has more in common with both of them than I do.
My older sister is 6ft 5 with a masters degree in the medical field from University of Cincinnati, I do not remember her official title . She has always been the early bloomer intellect wise, while I have always been the late. She was walking and talking before she was a year old. She taught herself how to walk by shimmying along walls. There is no doubt she has an IQ as hi as her height. She also has a noticeably small head compared to most people. ( I have a very large head, I will measure its exact circumference next time we analyze) .She also has 0 creativity. None whatsoever, she is not even the least bit clever or witty. Her hi intellect combined with 0 creativity is the reason why despite being alive for 30 years, she has never been labeled “a genius” by friends, family, or any general member of society.
Where I have been alive 24 years, and for the last 4 and a half years consecutively have been constantly labeled a genius by friends, family, peers , and any general society or subculture that knows of me . This is because of my extreme creativity, my ability to take my learned, acquired knowledge, run complex scenarios in my brain where i apply said knowledge produce a list of possible outcomes, and choose what my mind decides the most best scenario is out of the list. All within a fraction of a second. I would call this process “inspiration”.
This makes me think the brain of hi IQ people with 0 creativity is is more akin to a extremely large hard drive, and a brain with hi IQ and hi creativity is more akin to an actual computer running simulations and getting results using the applied knowledge.
A brain with a hi IQ but 0 creativity would be of utmost importance in our society. For example imagine a standard medical doctor, a surgeon to be exact. They absolutely must have hi IQ’s to store the massive amount of information contained within dozens and dozens of medical textbooks, and regurgitate that information at a moments notice. We need 0 creativity surgeons with huge IQ’s so that they get the same results every single time. We cant have every or even the majority of surgeons trying new things and getting creative. the industry would not function properly. This could be true for just about any established industry. As a society we need people to act as walking encyclopedias of tried and true methods.
However unfortunately as a society we end up in a biased situation
where the small % of hi IQ highly creativity people that use their knowledge to create a new or improved method of producing results get the majority of fame, credit, applause, praise and fortune.
A real life example is the now famous doctor Rodney Willoughby, Jr. who became the first doctor to successfully cure a person with rabies, by trying a never done before radical new treatment.
The Milwaukee protocol, sometimes referred to as the Wisconsin protocol is a method of attempted treatment of rabies infection in a human being. The treatment involves putting the person into a chemically induced coma and giving antiviral drugs. Jeanna Giese, who in 2004 was the first patient treated with the Milwaukee protocol, became the first person ever recorded to have survived rabies without receiving successful post-exposure prophylaxis. An intention-to-treat analysis has since found this protocol has a survival rate of about 8%.
8% is much better than 0. Meanwhile the thousands of surgeons that simply do their jobs every day, doing the tried and true methods get no praise or media attention.
I argue that in order to measure a persons likely hood of becoming a genius in life, an IQ test must be taken. Also a creativity test must be taken as well the two scores must be compared side by side to get the most accurate profile.
Mikey Blayze said:
Pumpkin as for the chicken or the egg question in my case. I’ll answer that right now. Just like how I wasnt always 6ft 2 inches tall, I wasnt always an intellectual. As a child I intellectually developed slower than average intellectually, especially slower than my genius fast developing older sister. So yes it was me 1st being behind then the neglect followed because of that. (She was never neglected in fact the opposite.)
Mikey Blayze said:
For some reason my intellectual ability thru out my life started out slow, then developed in exponential spurts. Wheres my older sisters intellectual ability thru out her life has been fast and perfectly linear.
R and K selection? Seems like it. Now that I think about it. I’ve always been the more relationship minded one of us. Like I only sleep with women i plan to have relationships with. Wheres she has had in her own words “countless sex partners” Ironically im the one with the child while she is childless.
I took the wonderlic the other day and scored higher than 97% of people applying for the same position (Customer Service Representatives). It was only a 12 minute test but do you know what that would translate to roughly in IQ?
Well, assuming the people who apply for that job are in the same age range as you and cognitively representative of Americans as a whole, it would equate to an IQ of 129 (U.S. norms) or 127 (U.S. white norms), but if the other applicants are significantly older or younger than you, or if they’re smarter, dumber, or less variable than Americans as a whole, this estimate could be off.
Why is everyone else’s life stories so much more interesting than mine? It’s not fair that I never got to struggle. I would be more interesting if I had some really bad shit happen to me.
Thinking Mouse said:
You are THE black national merit finalist! In my opinion, having an special life is not particularly good or important long term. In my opinion, its about how unique one is in maintaining traits at an low cost (being tall just requieres eating while being buff requires discipline, two traits of similar value with different costs), or more precisely, as efficiently as possible. The thing is that former choices tends to “canalyze” the ease at which one can adapt new traits, so one will have to choose an path in life to achieve the highest levels of each trait possible. But dont be too afraid to test some new things! The other ingredient to life is some challange, that is a little Novell perhaps. But there is so much of that its not hard to find.
Long term goals tend to be very good on many occasions for this reason, they give you all of the above and generally have large dividents. There is plenty of struggle out there, like have you read some hardcore books, ran an marathon or trained to aquire skills that are valuable? those three things take ample time and effort for most people.
These unique situations one can have in life are very short term, like taking drugs. Talking about ones former glory is not that important, becuase its former! and there is often not much dividents compared to other alternatives. I doubt you would be more ineresting if you had involuntary adversity in your life. It’s facing adversity voluntarily that is the real deal. Many people run very fast when theres something life threatening for instance.
Entertainment is good if it makes you more efficient, but if not, then its really just an distraction like drugs.
Im bassically saying that one should hoard things in an efficient manner. Money is not always useful while hoarding things in an thought out manner is being efficient. and its infinate as well as being relibable, thats why its good.
just painful stupidly…