Many years ago a member of super high IQ society was trying to explain to me why many super brilliant people are not rich. He felt there was an optimum IQ for wealth and status (around 130) but that above 150, IQ might actually be a hindrance to success.
To illustrate his point he used the example of getting women. This is correlated with IQ in the general population, and the guys who do best with women usually have IQs that are well above the population average of 100, but they seldom have IQs above 140. Instead they’re typically around 120.
I think there are several reasons for this:
- Sex is largely a physical desire, and the more mental ability you have, the greater a mental life you have to distract you from the physical
- High IQ guys may be more K selected than lower IQ guys meaning that they evolved to invest more in quality offspring at the expense of quantity of offspring and as a result, have less need for multiple partners. Yes I realize differential K theory has been tarnished to some degree, but most biologists still implicitly reference these ideas with respect to non-human species (life history theory)
- According to Lion of the Blogosphere, puberty stunts the mathematical part of the brain causing boys to have higher math IQs than girls and nerdy boys to have higher math IQ than macho guys
- High IQ is positively correlated with height but negatively correlated with weight/height ratio, so a lot of super high IQ guys have a tall scrawny look that some women find unattractive, especially when you add an oversized cranium to the already awkward physique
- High IQ is positively correlated with myopia so a lot of high IQ guys wear glasses which some women find unattractively nerdy
- High IQ is correlated with more complex and abstract interests, so many high IQ guys wont care about fashion, working out, nice cars, or anything else that signals status to other primates
The fact that too much IQ might be a hindrance to getting money (resources) and women (mates) suggests that even though intelligence is the cognitive ability to adapt situations to your advantage, too much of it is ironically maladaptive from an evolutionary perspective. This may help explain why there’s no evidence for increasing brain size in the past ten thousand years (actually brains have shrunk post agriculture but I suspect that’s malnutrition, not dysgenics, since they’re now rebounding)
But the point is not whether high IQ guys do get money and women, the point is whether they could. Bill Gates (who became the first centibillionaire of all time, decades before anyone else), is an example of just how thoroughly super high IQ people can dominate the competition when they deign to compete with us primates at our own primate games.
The movie Weird Science, where two high IQ nerds who can’t get a date use a computer to invent the girl of their dreams is another example, though the fact that this example is fictional suggests that there are some problems no amount of IQ can solve (for now).
Pumpkin Person 
Asortivem mating happens because people want to be with people like themselves. Physically, mentally, emotionally. High IQ people have a hard time finding relationships that are right for them because only one in 10,000 people have an IQ of 155. And few people of low intelligence have the personality that the high IQ person finds attractive.
The reason is a matter of frequency of occurrence of encountering the right person when you have a high IQ.
assortative mating*
What’s the physiological mechanism of the math brain thing?
None, it’s a made up story.
There is none.
Nah, both Afro and RR are wrong. Basically, prenatal testosterone has an impact on how masculinized your brain is. Unfortunately, too much masculinization and you get a brain that isn’t conducive to math. A happy medium, somewhere between a high testosterone girl and a low testosterone male will give you the benefits of a very mathematically gifted brain.
So what’s the mechanism? Saying “prenatal testosterone” isn’t the mechanism.
Source? (blogs not included)
I don’t buy the ‘masculine/feminine’ brains thing. Basically astrology.
I believe it. I notice people good at math, not always, but tend to have feminine bodies. Aspies seem feminine to me. Many are homosexual even. This idea is intuitively correct. It has something to do with testosterone, but it has yet to be explained in terms of biology yet.
JORDAN PETERSON JUMPS IN!!
If we presume that “systemizing” increase mathematical performence, them an increased amount of fetal testosterone would be beneficial.
I would wager that too high of testosterone and you will not get the necessary conscientiousness to be good at math. (It requires dedicated study.)
What’s wrong with high testosterone?
“What’s wrong with high testosterone?”
High testosterone tends to be inversely correlated with conscientiousness. High conscientiousness = more study. Proficiency in advanced math requires lots of study.
Is that the only reason it’s “bad”?
“What’s the physiological mechanism of the math brain thing?”
Well math like all language processing probably involves quite a few numbers of neural fiber pathways some examples:
Fronto-temporal connections supporting language functions
include, in addition to the AF, the uncinate fasciculus (UF), extreme
capsule/extreme capsule fiber system (EmC), and the inferior
fronto-occipital fasciculus (IFOF). The UF connects the orbital and
lateral frontal cortex with the temporal pole, anterior temporal
cortex, parahippocampal gyrus, and amygdala (Von Der Heide,
Skipper, Klobusicky, & Olson, 2013). Some investigators believe
the UF to be associated with semantic processing, given its strong
connectivity with the anterior temporal cortex and temporal pole,
a proposed ‘‘hub” for semantic processing (Holland & Lambon
Ralph, 2010). Evidence for loss of semantic function (e.g., picture
naming deficits) following resection of the UF supports this notion
(Papagno et al., 2011), but this is not without controversy (Kho
et al., 2008; Moritz-Gasser, Herbet, & Duffau, 2013). Another
fronto-temporal connection, the EmC or ‘‘extreme capsule fiber
system” is a collection of axons located between the claustrum
(medially) and the insula (laterally). Some evidence in the human
suggests that EmC connects the ventral and lateral frontal lobe
with the most of the superior and middle temporal cortex, extending
anterior-to-posterior (Makris & Pandya, 2009; Saur et al.,
2008). Such a pathway could provide an alternative route between
the anterior inferior frontal and temporal lobes, which may support
syntactic and semantic processing (Griffiths, MarslenWilson,
Stamatakis, & Tyler, 2013; Rolheiser, Stamatakis, & Tyler,
2011). Finally, the IFOF originates in the inferior and medial occipital
lobe (and possibly the medial parietal lobe), sends projections
to the ventral temporal lobe, and travels through the temporal
stem to project to the IFG, the medial and orbital frontal cortex,
and the frontal pole.
https://sci-hub.tw/10.1016/j.bandl.2016.08.004
Physiologically all neural connections rely on the plasticity of neurotransmitters And testosterone may have and effect because of gender differences in emotional processing. Because mean tend to think less emotionally, logical and semantic sequences are simply easier to process. T levels are just correlation, but I’m not entirely positive.
It’s not about high IQ. It’s about NERDS. What hampers Bill Gates is not his raw ability, it’s about him being a nerd or lacking in his application of that ability to the right skill sets.
I don’t think there is a limit to IQ vs. success in any domain. But there are different skills to consider. A person with a lot of smarts who applied that ability to making money would become rich, etc.
Cult leaders have high IQs in their particular domain, I’d say it’s some mix of social IQ (reading people) mixed with VIQ (the ability to construct logical systems using verbal language). A high SIQ can figure out a particular person/demographics wants/needs and then construct a system based around those wants/needs.
Religious/spiritual leaders and the like are often outrageously successful with women.
Above average in this domain: ‘charm.’
Gifted in this domain: ‘charismatic.’
Genius in this domain: ‘guru.’
The issue, as I have also said, is that so few people have the courage or inclination to apply IQ in this way that the people who construct IQ tests wouldn’t be able to create tests good enough to capture anything beyond perhaps above average at the ceiling.
http://static6.uk.businessinsider.com/image/5a8335aeec1ade61b5144cc5-1620/melinda-gates-bill.jpg
She looks substantially better than him, though. I think Bill Gates has just been reasonable, he knew the type of woman that his looks and personality would genuinely attract, or at least not bother, and who knows? Maybe he’s good in bed? Haha!
Clearly, he’d look like a fool next to a supermodel.
I think that’s just a really good picture of her.
I’m not knocking Bill Gates. He’s done a lot for himself…but no one can be a superstar in all domains.
Like the NVIUM guy (or however it’s spelled). With the Allison Mack chick. He was convincing wealthy heiresses to give him millions of dollars. And their pussies so he could fuck em and brand em. Sicko but impressive.
Quantity based sexual strategy is garbage once intelligence comes into the picture, it’s all about the quality. Five bankster children like the Rothschild family will dominate multiple millions of Haitan children. Two human children are worth millions of goat children (able to control, manipulate and use the goats like tools/resources) and so on and so forth.
The gap between the intelligent and the unintelligent is so large they are almost like different species. The intelligent feed on the unintelligent, they don’t compete with them. For a wolf, more sheep is always better, not less.
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Now PP, just tell me, why do you let his passive-aggressive comments through moderation but won’t publish my replies?
Cause they’re not explicitly about you or explicitly directed to you.
I realize he references Haitians to troll you, but i draw the line at explicit comments, otherwise I’d have to moderate everything bad you say about computer programmers or middle easterners as passive aggression against him.
Well, what just redacted was very general, and factual contrary to his nonsense.
Either way, why are you interfering? I have a thick skin, it’s not my fault if some people are just too emotionally weak to keep it cordial and rational.
Neither of you keep it cordial & rational, you both say things intended to hurt the other
Why can’t you both be more like G-man, RR, Bruno, & swank? They manage to debate controversial subjects without insulting others.
What did I say that provoked his last crisis?
You said he was cringe worthy & people are also turned off by your constant bragging. Part of that’s racism though; if you were white the bragging would be charming
But you never had to learn those lessons because your social class shielded you from racism
You said he was cringe worthy & people are also turned off by your constant bragging.
My relatives love my big ego, JJ wouldn’t be JJ if he didn’t see himself as the 8th world wonder. Unfortunately, the written form can’t convey the dose of irony that I usually include in my love declarations to myself, which intensifies the triggering here.
Now what’s interesting is that it’s only Fenoopy and Schizy who get triggered. Why? I’d expect the likes of Animekitty to be more upset since they’ve never made it clear that they had everything on me or that my wife would fall for them in a minute. So I still need to understand why those guys who’re having a blast take it so personally. Or maybe…
I find people are most competetive with people similar to themselves cause they think that should have/could have been me
There’s also extra tension between you & Fenoopy cause middle easterners used to have far more status than blacks & now the tables are turning. Neither group wants to be rock bottom so you tear each other down, though blacks in the U.S. feel a sense of brotherhood with all racial underdogs which is really impressive
PP, I couldn’t care less about Fenoopy’s ancestry. His berberhood is truly not what causes my contempt for him. I’m not tribal.
Otherwise, blacks and North Africans tend to get along very well in France and there certainly aren’t hundreds of Fenoopies there. His issues are just personal ones.
I don’t insult others, I only insult Afrosapiens. I only sometimes say you are mentally retarded for liking Oprah, but I’m sure you know it’s a joke.
I don’t care about insults to me. I can just moderate them.
LOL, im kidding
Part of that’s racism though; if you were white the bragging would be charming
Look at PP, showing some social IQ chops…
“if you where white though; your bragging would be charming”
WTF?
I don’t care about ego, it’s the fact that he derails every conversation into his sex-life, his dick, or his wife that annoys me.
As for tension, not really. Blacks are a billion years from being anywhere near the status of Middle Easterners, only in America and some parts of Europe do they rank higher (because of Jews). In all the rest of the world, Middle Easterners rank 4th behind Jews, Asians and Whites. Behind them are Mexicans, South Asians, South East Asians, Blacks, then finally Australoids.
There are so many sub-humans that Middle Easterners are far, far from being near the bottom PP.
Even in America, Middle Easterners are hated. Nobody considers them lower than Blacks, not even the alt-right who hate Muslims most of all.
PP was surely trolling me with that statement, something’s not quite right.
“Otherwise, blacks and North Africans tend to get along very well in France and there certainly aren’t hundreds of Fenoopies there. His issues are just personal ones. ”
LOL, there actually are hundreds of Fenoopies there. Majority of my friends are Black, I find them much easier to chill with than White people who tend to be stuck up and also snakes, snitches etc. Less formal. I hate Black people that act like BBC stereotypes though, aka you. I like Gondwana, Phil78 etc.
Stop it please, we both know it’s not true. You’ve just implicitly called your “friends” part of a sub-human race which was billions of years away from being as respectable from middle-easterners.
Your language and your worldview are so far off from anything that makes sense in real life. You can’t even realize it because your experience of dealing with people is blatantly poor. You’ll get some muh dick talk from blacks alike, it’s just what happens after normally developing men hit puberty and that lasts until they become fathers overwhelmed by their professional life and their family duties.
But while we’re still young, strong and healthy, there is absolutely nothing despicable about sex talk. So you’d rather turn your anger into a positive feeling that could help you catch up to what you’ve been missing out all these years.
I don’t care about ego, it’s the fact that he derails every conversation into his sex-life, his dick, or his wife that annoys me.
Not really, it’s just that one reference to big man things is one reference too much for your hurt ego to handle.
Me and my friend’s conversations are about sex, romance and romance about half the time, it’s never meant to brag or make anyone feel uncomfortable. There are no “all I care about is science” guys in my circle. And you know why? Because there are no such guys IRL, or just one in a million and these are really scientifically literate. You’re just coping.
You make a mistake by treating me like an enemy when you could instead learn from me. One less virgin in this world is one less HBDer on the internet, and solving personal issues is much more efficient than any rational rebuttal of the HBD nonsense.
Okay Afro & Fenoopy just leave & never come back. I’m getting too old to play ringmaster to juvenile pissing contests.
Afro, what do we need to learn?
Afro’s no longer commenting here.
So does this mean Afro is banned?
Yes
Very wise decision. I said it when he came back that he would be a continual annoyance to your readers,
This is like an anime ending, a little wistful, but i dont care a lot since i originally came here for RR and King MeLo. Back to normal i guess.
Middle Easterners are a notch above Indus Valley Brownies (South Asians). I always knew that. One can even make a case that some Middle Easterners are above and beyond many Mongoloids except for the Japanese. Think cuisine, think aesthetics, and think cultural influences.
Have you ever left a comment that wasn’t racist?
Banned!
Taking out the trash folks!
LOL
“Blacks are a billion years from being anywhere near the status of Middle Eastern ears”
What’s this even mean?
Thinking Mouse, thanks. Glad you like mine and “King Melo’s” conversations.
What’s this even mean?
Fenoopy no longer comments here so he can’t answer your question
Did you just ban JS or me?
JS
The way youre going, there will be nobody left here. Is Santo banned now as well?
no, not yet
I feel like JS’ ban was unwarranted. Yeah he’s racist, but at least he doesn’t spam and harass other commenters. In fact everyone here is racist.
LOL
Do “high IQ” guys eat pussy?
Only in China
I like Rickles. One of my favourite comedians.
Me and philo have found the only common ground we ever will.
Don Rickles was a real-life asshole who made fun of little kids and made them cry.
To be honest, though, he was genuinely funny. I had tickets to one of his last shows in Immokalee last year but didn’t go for some reason.
Pumpkin, I have read that there is a positive correlation among IQ and health . But my intuition is that around the 3sd, you see a strong increase in mental illnesses or at least atypicity.
One explanation could be intellectual solitude. If you feel great with people +or-1 sd (don’t speak about understanding but closeness) at 130 you have 16% of the people. But at 145, you get only 2%. And it’s true that extremely clever people who were friends or partners have written about the delight of such relationsship (Montaigne and La Boetie in France).
It maybe true that many extremely clever individual just have a quiet life as professionals, doing in 20 hours what others do in 60, and then having lots of time for family, friends and cultural enquiry. It must be specially true for women.
Despite that, my guess is that there is a significant correlation above 3sd with mental conditions that prevents most people from being successful and even from having children of their own. The Duke and Vanderbilt could have research that, but it wouldn’t fit their legitimate pro-IQ agenda.
I wonder why that correlation exists…
Theres a well known correlation of VIQ and neurosis in particular.
The reason why smart people have better health is a few things like being able to plan, shop correctly for the right nutrients, educate themselves on nutrition etc.
I did a full medical exam as part of my health insurance 2 years ago. The doctor said I was in the top 10% of people my age in terms of health indicators. Taking care of your body is like a full time job imo. Athletes spend a lot of time supplemnting and doing gym and that.
Yeah right
Bill Gates has autism. Its irrelevant what his IQ is. Hes like the spelling bee guy or Rain Man. Mark Zuckerberg is the same. Once you have autism its really really kills attraction for a lot of women, even if youre good looking.
one of the defining features of autism is a lack of social IQ
zuckerberg created the most successful social media empire of all time
and gates never would have become so rich if he were socially naive. He would have been fleeced out of all his money. i know you think that’s what’s happening with his african philanthropy, but most people don’t see it that way
in general super high IQ people often get misdiagnosed as autistic
Where is Robert Mugabe?
He’s banned too
WTF. Lol. Why? What he do?
Too psychotic
shame
he kinda respected me more than philo, (at a distance)
Yes he was always good to you.
U going to explain?
Oh no. I understand Afro being banned, even though I like him.
But Mugabe??? SAY IT AIN’T TRUE PUMPKIN, SAY IT AIN’T TRUE!!!!
Pp you’re removing the best part of your blog: the peanut gallery. Oprah wouldn’t do that.
Actually that’s exactly what Oprah did. She used trashy people to get on top (skin heads, one night stand reunions) & then once she outdistanced the competition, became the moral authority of the country
But i don’t care if my readership declines. It’s very time consuming skimming through all the comments & deciding which ones to approve. Less comments means less work
Then turn off moderation.
Then the comment section becomes a cesspool. No thanks.
I think you’ve made a mistake.
PP, why are you acting like you are Afro’s and Fenoopy’s mom instead of writing a comment policy ?
What most of PP, Afro and Fenoopy discussions look like to me :
“you stop insulting your brother and you stop provoking him!”
And then it end up like this because a mom can’t have authority on grown-ups
“you 2 are driving me crazy !!!! out of my house!!!!!!”
And finally you have JS, the youngest, who don’t know it’s a bad idea to talk to mommy PP when she is upset, ask to watch TV, huge mistake…
“YOU TOO OUT OF MY HOUSE !!!! ASSHOLE !!!!”
Pumpkin has nuked his blog.
sometimes that’s what it takes
after an asteroid hit the earth, all the great dinosaurs went extinct and there was a long period of silence
and then came the rodents, who gave rise to new life: even better life & eventually human life
it seems symbolic that one of the first to comment this morning has a rodent for a gravitar
I prefer the term person of rodent descent please.
Pumpkin, what % of comments represent each one of those three ?
My feeling is that they rarely insult other people and so the violence doesn’t spill over or put off anyone. True, as you are moderating it, you actually get into the details.
If your new work is consuming too much time and you want less comments, I understand. Otherwise, we ll be missing some testosterone. I think they have propelled nice conversations. You could give them a chance with some instructions to follow and let this be a strong warning …
I agree, and I dont think fenoopy was an disturbance alone. He could just have done a temporary ban.
Im actually not sure how to proceed now Pumpkin. Make a comments policy. Ill probably be banned next for something Im sure. Even if I make my comments PC, you moderated those so I dont know what to say now.
Philosopher ban would be devastating.
There would be no more diversity of opinion left.