A reader I will call “Passa” wrote the following:
My Autism-spectrum Quotient (AQ) is 33, and in a couple of weeks I’ll know for sure if I have Asperger’s syndrome (many childhood oddities, which to a degree still survive in me today, clearly imply I am somewhere on the spectrum). I suspect comorbidity with ADD (which is strongly supported by my WAIS results, in addition to my own self-awareness), and also mild OCD.
My major was in Computer Science, but I dropped out after one year and now I’m about to begin my Mathematics degree. Initially I suspected I wasn’t smart enough to obtain a degree in the latter, but later I realized I would be capable of obtaining it, granted I would undergo pharmacological or whatever therapy to decrease the effect of ADD on my cognition. I am really good at understanding complex concepts, somewhat less at doing long and complicated calculations (one more reason for dropping out of highly-computational Computer Science). My current goal is: doing research in the fields of Category Theory and Mathematical Logic.
The reader also stated:
I was tested in Italian, but scores were based on US norms, due to the fact that Italian norms don’t exist for the WAIS-III. My ancestry is:
– 75% South Italian (specifically from Campania)
– 25% North Italian (specifically from Lombardy)
RR is that you? 🙂 Just kidding.
Not a month goes by where someone doesn’t send me an email asking me, begging me, to take a look at their Wechsler scores or the Wechsler scores of their loved ones. I don’t really like doing this, because one’s Wechsler scores are between them and their psychologist, and I, a mere blogger, am not qualified to diagnose anyone or give psychological advice, so this blog post is for entertainment and educational purposes only.
“Passa” recently took the WAIS-III age 20. What follows are his scores expressed in IQ equivalents (U.S. norms) with values corrected for the Flynn effect (since the WAIS-III is now outdated, the IQs in parentheses are how I estimate he would have scored had he been given the more recently normed WAIS-IV instead, based on page 240 of James Flynn’s book Are We Getting Smarter? There’s no data on the Flynn effect for Letter-Number Sequencing but working memory subtests historically show the least Flynn effects). Note that subtest scores are reported on a scale where the U.S. mean is set at 10 with a standard deviation of 3, and IQs use a scale where the U.S. mean and standard deviation are set at 100 and 15 respectively. To convert scaled scores to IQ equivalents, merely multiply by 5 and then add 50.
I have divided the scores not into the traditional Verbal vs Performance IQ of the original Wechsler scales, but a more complex taxonomy the latest Wechsler scales are moving towards:
– Vocabulary: 17 (16)
– Similarities: 17 (16.3)
– Information: 18 (17.5)
– Comprehension: 16 (15.6)
Verbal Comprehension IQ 145 (140)
– Arithmetic: 15 (15)
– Digit Span: 13 (12.7)
– Letter-Number Sequencing: 13
Working Memory IQ 121 (121)
– Picture Completion: 13 (12.1)
– Block Design: 15 (14.7)
Spatial IQ 125 (121)
– Matrix Reasoning: 16 (15.4)
Abstract logic IQ 130 (127)
– Digit Symbol-Coding: 6 (5.8)
– Symbol Search: 9 (9)
Processing speed IQ 86 (86)
Passa is clearly very bright, and when it comes to verbal comprehension, brilliant, but he’s dragged down by very low processing speed. Low scores in this domain are associated with autism, so it’s not surprising that Passa’s pursuing an Asperger’s diagnosis. I have no idea whether Passa is autistic or not, but autistics may struggle with processing speed subtests either because they lack the executive function to efficiently shift focus, or the high anxiety and perfectionism of autistics slows them down on speed tasks.
On the other hand, the low processing speed score may not be a sign of autism, but be caused by attention problems associated with Passa’s suspected ADD, but given the relatively high Working Memory IQ, attention problems seem less likely. Either way, Passa may wish to ask his psychologist if he should avoid fields that call for rapid multitasking until these issues are resolved.
I have no idea whether Passa has autism and it’s not my place to opine, but his Wechsler profile (very low processing speed, Vocab, Info, Similarities > Comprehension, Block Design > Picture Completion) is consistent with autism, but his psychologist will need to know a lot more about him than just that to draw a reliable conclusion.
But autism is not necessarily a bad thing. A little autism might be good if you want to go into highly scientific or systematic fields, and while his score on the socially loaded Comprehension subtest is the lowest of his verbal comprehension scores, it’s still extremely high, suggesting he’s not clueless socially, at least not on an abstract verbal level.
Passa writes “I am really good at understanding complex concepts, somewhat less at doing long and complicated calculations”. The understanding of complex concepts is consistent with a verbal comprehension IQ of 140, but the less spectacular, though still very high, Working Memory IQ of 121 may drag down his ability to do long complex calculations.
Passa writes ” My current goal is: doing research in the fields of Category Theory and Mathematical Logic.” My advise is don’t do anything until you know what you’re really passionate about. Is this truly what you want to do with the rest of your life? Is this what captures your imagination and gets you up in the morning? Is this the topic you’re most obsessed with? If so, I’d say “go for it”, but talk it over with your psychologist first. Your combination of extremely highly verbal abstract ability (Similarities) plus very high Arithmetic and Matrix reasoning scores, suggests you’d be quite competitive in abstract math.
Generally for social/behavioral science topics, I feel highly educated layman can be just as qualified as credentialed practitioners. Or maybe even moreso.
Anyhow good analysis. Nothing really stands out as a negative for this person other than the processing speed. He should reach for any goals he would like.
Category is very horizontal covering many fields . If I were this young Italian , I would not go in topology area , but in computational language semantics or algebra . The right field would be in between math and computer science . That is were is verbal symbolism skills would be better used . He could also go for linguistic , analytical philosophy or law . His AQ is not that high, some can have 46 and still go ahead well ….
Category Theory is usually classified either as a field in Algebra or Logic&Foundations, not Topology (although ever more insights in Higher Category Theory and Topos Theory point at a link between these fields and Geometry/Topology).
I did spend one year as a Computer Science major, but I eventually realised that my cognitive abilities could be better employed if directed elsewhere, i.e. Mathematics. But I acknowledge that I could have felt equally at ease in fields such as Linguistics and Philosophy, especially the latter. I chose Mathematics because, other than the purely aesthetic/formal pleasure deriving from its study, I needed to plant roots in non-shaky grounds (I have always been a skeptic, and a quite radical one [see: solipsism]).
In my opinion RR should reflect on these results in terms of why he posts articles and doesn’t seem to understand what is in them. As Pumpkin correctly noted, ‘comprehension’ in this test is poor but the ability to actually read the words and detect the start and end of sentences is high. In this way, I believe RR should become a civil servant or perhaps tax lawyer.
I don’t know who this RR is, but I can assure you that the nature of my understanding of written text isn’t such that it stops at mere syntax.
>believing that’s me
“why he posts articles and doesn’t seem to understand what is in them”
Evidence?
I ordered the international jew 1st edition from ebay from a private seller 2 weeks ago and ebay have just told me they removed the listing. Hopefully Ill still get my hands on it.
I think ive mentioned before how Rushton’s book is not listed in my Alma Mater which has the largest academic library in Europe.
The Bodelian?
the boadwash-ian.
the bode-wash-ian.
Passa, iI know solipsism from an IQ test … and category from a master in Logic and math I got .
Yes I thought you could like philosophy of language/mind or science, but you ll get more choice with math. Diploma are more a way of earning a living and status in life than about learning anyway.
actually me granddad’s association with organized crime never ended. i guess he took on the role of “consultant”.
he was a nobody, but received a yuge obit in the local paper.
he played poker with gangsters in his own house.
round head and square head.
something like that.
weird.
or it explains why i’m such a loser.
my calling was crime.
come to think of it.
my parents marriage was super weird.
maybe my test scores are an example of hybrid vigor.
these gangsters were cosa nostra i assume.
she lived in a port city which would have been worth a lot during prohibition.
the mafia has sort of withered since prohibition so there is no such mafia presence there any more.
henry hill claimed his crew killed 60-70 people.
why was he ever released from witness protection? all the people who wanted to kill him were dead?
why did he become homeless? what happened to all that money?
why did he become physically dependent on alcohol?
How dangerous is it to use outdated norms? The Polish version is from 2004, my knowledge of English is simply not good enough to do it in English
How did u come up with the IQ numbers from scaled scores?
Sage advice, Pumpkin.
My impression is a lot of ADD, autism, etc. is government-driven over-diagnosis and is really what was called absent-mindedness or an artistic personality back in the day and not some dread condition. Some also is simply poor socialization because things like the admiration and practice of how to be a gentleman or lady or even tying your shoes have been attacked by the far-left and are intellectually unfashionable.
I think our Italian friend may simply have wide interests that hop from topic to topic. Maybe he should join toastmasters and look into teaching. he already is credible in a second language, very admirable.
What I would give to have a high verbal IQ. From my understanding, higher level math or computer science math requires it. Why couldn’t I be born a Jew instead of a black, lol.
=(
Don’t worry about it. Why people put so much stock into a test I’ll never know.
Pumpkin, if you practice forward digit span, will the practice effect carry over into backward digit span?
probably
Also, what’s more difficult, the Ravens Matrices or the WAIS’s Matrix Reasoning?
It might be harder to get a high IQ equivalent on the WAIS-IV matrix test because norms are newer & the Flynn effect might still be active, however the raven was normed on a super white population (Iowa) which might make for harder norms than the WAIS norms which reflect all americans
Ok, so if the test was on Iqtest.dk, since it was normed in 2008- against Europeans, it would be fairly accurate for the WAIS IV Matrix reasoning?
For the Flynn Effect, the reverse, in America, are IQ scores rising for everyone, or is it a certain population (like poor people).
Pumpkin, I attempted to take a symbol search test. I got 8 items right in 18 seconds, but in the next 8 seconds I only got 2 right. I’d have gotten at least an 11 on the first thirty seconds. Now, I read a study about these 30 second intervals, and apparently, the for the first 30 seconds, if you had a score of a 1, you’d get a score of 9 for each of the other 30 second intervals. But, since I had such a sharp decline in speed, in the first interval, would I still get 9 symbols per each 30 second interval, at least in the best case scenario?