Perhaps the single best piece of evidence in support of racially genetic differences in IQ is the Minnesota Transracial Adoption study which was interpreted by Richard Lynn (in his 2006 book Race Differences in Intelligence: An Evolutionary Analysis) as showing that the U.S. black-white 15 point IQ gap is 100% genetic, because in this study, even when whites and blacks are both adopted into white upper class homes, more than the full IQ gap remained.
However as commenter Race Realist reminds me, recently the study has been undermined by British physicist Drew Thomas who argued that one reason adopted whites scored so much higher than adopted blacks is that the white sample suffered from attrition. Thomas writes:
A total of 25 White adoptees were in the study when it began, nine of whom were lost at follow-up. The lost adoptees had relatively low IQs, so the remaining White adoptees were unrepresentatively high in IQ, as Mackintosh observed [25]. One can prove this by comparing the original IQs of the full sample and the subgroup who were measured at both ages 7 and 17; the latter subgroup had an initial mean IQ of 117.6 (with a minimum IQ of 92) but the full sample had an initial mean of 111.5 (minimum 62). Because initial and final IQs had a correlation of 0.63 among the White group, the elite subgroup would likely have had their final mean IQ inflated by about 0.63 × (117.6 − 111.5) = 3.8 points. Meanwhile, the BW and Black–Black adoptees lost to follow-up hardly differed in IQ from the remaining adoptees, so attrition inflated those groups’ mean IQs by about only 0.2 and −0.7 points respectively. Adjusting the final mean IQs accordingly (Table 2) implies smaller racial differences of 3.5 points (White vs. BW adoptees) and 11.7 points (White vs. Black–Black adoptees) in the study’s final wave.
people who aren’t socially retarded know that langan is a fraud.
So you don’t believe he scored perfect on SAT or that his WAIS-III score is valid? Before you said you found him very impressive. What changed?
high IQ people can be frauds too peepee.
and i think i said “impressive” not “very impressive”.
how’d he pay for his horse farm?
Thought you were implying his high IQ was fraudulent
Probably with the money he won on the game show
there’s a long history of people writing gibberish in an attempt to sound profound.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokal_affair
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fashionable_Nonsense
but it is true that what at first appears to be gibberish may not be, or is, but was not intended as such by the author. langan’s jive is not of that kind.
he said on the game show that he already owned the farm.
didn’t mean to imply. but i don’t take any hoeflin test seriously as an IQ test and his SAT scores should still be on file at ETS.
and i can’t think why that psychologist would lie. unless langan paid him.
the french jive turkeys of Fashionable Nonsense were high IQ people no doubt.
jean-luc marion’s lectures are very clear despite his accent, but his books are impossible. searle said he asked bourdieu why he wrote in an intentionally obscure way. bourdieu said he wouldn’t be taken seriously in france if he was easy to understand.
Such nonsenze thinking from pumpkin. My head hurts reading this crap. You said blacks are on average in america are 74% white but you cant say that about the 25 blacks in this particular study and apply slide rules like that.
Also the ohyscist makes the assumption the low iq white high iq white gap would hold pro rata as time went by….why?!.
Iq testing at 7 years old and extrapolating from that is stupid. Whose to say the low iq whites wouldnt have caught up. I think theres more plastciity at those ages to do so. All we know for definite os how the blacks changed through time. So the physcist should just focus on what is there ibstead of having fantasies about the mossing kids.
The half black result is damning. I said before you would prove genetic iq from moxed race kids not twins one year ago and im proven right. Thats the only thing you got correct.
Iq testing at 7 years old and extrapolating from that is stupid. Whose to say the low iq whites wouldnt have caught up
Most of the kids were tested again at 17, but there was a subset of low IQ white kids who dropped out out of the study at 7, & their average age 17 IQs were estimated from the IQ correlation between age 7 & 17. This is not ideal, but merely considering the kids who stayed in the study & thus ignoring the effects of attrition is not ideal either.
Though one could ignore attrition on the grounds that it affects all races in the study, but for some random reason attrition increased the black-white gap in this study because the lowest IQ whites dropped out but the lowest IQ blacks stayed in. Whether a scientist should correct for this is a tough call & ideally should have been made before one knows what effect the correction would have, otherwise it could be seen as post-hoc data manipulation.
Its data manipulation 100%
I have never read CTMU but it doesn’t seem to fit Solal and Bricmont pattern as you say . The pattern is using math analogy not to clarify ones point but to sounds clever and give an appearance of scientific authority to the trivial or incoherent propositions hold .
Solal and Bricmont in fairness could have say that 90% of economic paper fall into this category . One difference is that most people in this category doesn’t understand the math they cite except Derrida (who had a very good level in math at PhD level) .
You can see Langan or Savant intelligence only if you would throw at them small problems and solve them in a minute when you would need a day or a week …. it doesn’t come from athzir Buddha like philosophical sayings
as far i know, intelligence of child strongly depends on intelligence of mother. so if mother is white, even if kid is black, kid will be intelligent
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2017/12/13/fake-rape/
So 41% of rape accusations may be fake.
https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2013/jan/11/male-female-rape-statistics-graphic
“The survey data also shows that in 2011/12 one in five females aged between 16 and 59 had been the victim of a sexual offence or attempted ofeence since the age of 16. Among males the figure was 2.7%.
4.6% of females – or approximately one in 20 – said they had been the victim of rape or attempted rape since the age of 16, falling slightly to 3.8% when attempted rape is excluded.”
So 5% of the UK female population has been raped say. But probably actually 3%.
The 20% of women that have been the victim of a ‘sexual offence’ or ‘attempted offence’ is nebulous. That could literally mean unwanted kiss, to a slap on the ass or rubbing into someone in the lift to even a man mentioning he’d love to do X to her.
Of that 3% that have been raped, I bet 50% of them were raped by minorities – either minority women raped, or white women by minorities. Possibly more.
So about 1.5% of white women are raped by white men.
Bingo.
5% raped/attempted rape.
peepee thinks this philo-soviet-ism is just abstract.
it is mostly. it must be. i’m an american.
but…
at my heath club there was a russian, a gentile russian…
the guy was serious.
he was in his 50s but was stacked. a serious lifter and swimmer.
he was a 100% un-reconstructed stalinist.
100%!
it’s not make believe.
As I recall, about 50% of convicted rapists in the UK are minorites.
Life is good in french prisons.
Where are the Whites ?.
Then Whites are perfectly halfway Blacks and East Asians in term of IQ (even a bit closer to Blacks)
East Asians : 106
Whites : 99
Blacks : 93
Sounds wrong.
1) East Asians average 105, not 106
2) I estimate African Americans have a genetic IQ of 93, because they’re only 75% black. Pure blacks would have a genetic IQ of 90
3) White Americans & others of mostly Northwest European ancestry average 100, not 99. Lynn estimate the entire white race averages 99 because he argues Southern Europeans drag the average down
“because he argues Southern Europeans drag the average down”
And he’s horribly wrong.
Perhaps, though pure blacks could be somewhat higher I suspect—about 93 or so as well (give or take, perhaps with this varying a bit by/among ethnic groups in Africa, etc.)—, given that the slave ancestors of US blacks could often have been (likely were overall) somewhat negatively selected (as you have suggested as well I think in other posts)—both coming from Africa (slaves often disproportionately coming from lower-status people; debtors, criminals, slaves, indentured servants/pawns, people from weaker tribes which might have been a little less advanced etc), and in the plantation system esp. that of the US with some possible dysgenic effects—though admittedly, this is somewhat speculative.
“If races as genetically distant as blacks and whites differ so little in genetic IQ, it suggests that all racial IQ gaps are a lot less genetic than most HBDers think.”
I think I would agree and think this is likely true more or less (and have thought or suspected so for a while; that any—at least most—such differences are likely fairly small if or insofar as they exist).
I wonder/would be somewhat interested to see what adoption studies of groups such as pure Australian Aboriginals, or Khoisans (or Pygmies or Andamanese) would show—though environmental confounds could be quite hard to disentangle there too, and such studies seem unlikely to occur, at least such studies of good quality—(groups some claim are the most unintelligent, and were in many respects, considered, and were, among the most technologically primitive groups). I suspect they at the very least may be much more intelligent (at least potentially so) than many believe. But of course, I don’t really know (and know much less about the data on them—and there is, as far as I know, less of that data in existence, likely none for some of the groups mentioned like the Andamanese).
The study tells me that 100% pure descendants of black slaves average a genetic IQ of 90 but how cognitively representative black slaves were of black Africans in general is not clear.
yeah.
the nordicists are a bunch chimos.
the extent to which the spanish and s italians and greeks have been polluted by non-aryans is very small.
and n europe was a shit pit until the middle ages.
the german barbarian conquerors were illiterate, dirty, stinky, greasy, etc.
Cont:
Very anecdotal of course, but I vaguely remember some old Victorian-era source (perhaps not a very substantive case but interesting) from colonial Tasmania reporting generally little-modest difference (generally modest differences, though with this varied somewhat by subject) in the academic performances (on grades though rather than better measures like standardized tests, which were not yet used in that era) of white vs. (pure blooded) Tasmanian Aboriginal children (school grades though being a somewhat loose or imprecise measure of intelligence potential, but interesting to me nonetheless) in a school that included both (where the aboriginal children were fairly westernized; many of both white and native children might have been orphans resident at the school, but I’m not sure—will try to look for the source, there are only a few from that era on Tasmanian Aborigines, perhaps it’s Ling-Roth, or one of a few others). This is interesting, though, it seems (such is my casual impression at least) it might conflict with more recent aboriginal/white academic data from Australia. Modern Tasmanian Aboriginal (as opposed to mainland) descendants are mixed race (no pure ones left). Tasmanians tribes were overall more primitive than mainland natives.
“…(generally modest-no differences, though with this varied somewhat by subject)”
although Yanis Varoufakis does look suspiciously like voldemort.
and draghi does look suspiciously like the devil.
What about your theory of US Blacks being genetically as smart as Africans despite white genes because their ancestors weren’t adaptable enough to escape slavery ?
What about your theory of US Blacks being genetically as smart as Africans despite white genes because their ancestors weren’t adaptable enough to escape slavery ?
That was just speculation on my part; it may or may not be true. Many blacks argue that almost all black Africans were enslaved by whites. That’s what colonialism was in their eyes.
“…groups some claim are the most unintelligent. And were in many respects considered, and were, among the most technologically primitive groups.”
i looked at langan’s website and i didn’t find any arrant gibberish. i’ll have to read more to decide if he’s a fakir or faker.
it could be he collected a lot of money after the publicity Esquire gave him. he may pay himself a salary from his “mega foundation”.
the thing is…
1. math and theoretical science of all kinds requires no resource other than a good library and a high IQ in order to produce publish-able results.
my local state u gives out library cards for free to the few who want them. no need to be a student or alumnus.
2. it may be that the very highest IQs are NOT much more able than the merely very high IQs.
…
that is, if langan were so much smarter he could publish papers in mathematics and theoretical science. the only barrier he’d face is the time he’d have to spend working to pay the bills.
but it may be that someone can be the 1 in a billion and still human…NOT superhuman.
it also requires paper and pen.
to put it another way.
if langan were so much smarter than almost everybody he’d’ve proved it.
he would’ve produced results in mathematics per se or in theoretical science which would be published.
or he’d’ve made millions as a speculator or gambler.
then the time wasted paying the bills wouldn’t be a problem.
that is…
notice the psychologist did NOT say what langan tested.
did he score 19 on all the subtests?
if he did were the journalists so stupid they didn’t include that?
the highest i’ve ever tested
vs
he hit the ceiling.
these are two different things.
I doubt he scored 19 in every subtest but it’s possible he would have scored in the 20s on some subtests if the WAIS-III allowed scaled scores that high.
But scoring say IQ 150+ on the WAIS-III (assuming no monkey business) is extremely impressive considering he already scored IQ 190 on the Mega Test and supposedly scored IQ 170+ on the SAT.
These are 3 very different kinds of intelligence tests so averaging so high on all 3 is super rare.
the white folks are going down the rabbit hole of transgender bathrooms.
precisely because they cannot question capitalism.
so things return to what they were.
the west is no longer the best.
china wins!
PP et al, thoughts on this paper?
The heritability fallacy
“The term ‘heritability,’ as it is used today in human behavioral genetics, is one of the most misleading in the history of science. Contrary to popular belief, the measurable heritability of a trait does not tell us how ‘genetically inheritable’ that trait is. Further, it does not inform us about what causes a trait, the relative influence of genes in the development of a trait, or the relative influence of the environment in the development of a trait. Because we already know that genetic factors have significant influence on the development of all human traits, measures of heritability are of little value, except in very rare cases. We, therefore, suggest that continued use of the term does enormous damage to the public understanding of how human beings develop their individual traits and identities.”
…
“But in environments that are not controlled, these statistics do not tell us much. In light of this, numerous theorists have concluded that ‘the term “heritability,” which carries a strong conviction or connotation of something “[in]heritable” in the everyday sense, is no longer suitable for use in human genetics, and its use should be discontinued.’[36] Reviewing the evidence, we come to the same conclusion. Continued use of the term with respect to human traits spreads the demonstrably false notion that genes have some direct and isolated influence on traits. Instead, scientists need to help the public understand that all complex traits are a consequence of developmental processes.”
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/wcs.1400/full
Also you’re aware that nature/nurture is a false dichotomy and irrelevant?
https://cissct.duke.edu/books/ontogeny-information-developmental-systems-and-evolution
http://www.academia.edu/791831/The_nurturing_of_natures
now rr is just posting stuff i posted years ago.
these jive turkeys are just trying to say in way too many words that the function P(G, E) is not planar and h is just the coefficient of G in a local planar approximation to the P(G, E) surface.
according HBDers their opponents believe that if a rock is raised in the best environment it will be smarter than santo.
HBDers are autistic.
Rocks are already smarter than Santoculto.
schenk is not a scientist btw.
What’s his job?
A 3.5 IQ gap is non-significant, it’s in the error margin . That said, blacks and mixed kids in the original study had worse pre-adoption histories so there is no valid way to claim these 3.5 points differences are genetic in origin. Moreover, the samples are small and other studies have the black kids scoring higher than the mixed ones. So the various transracial adoption studies make the hereditatian hypothesis untenable.
No you posting here after you were discharged is what’s untenable. Margin of error works both ways, so 3.5 points is just as likely to be an underestimate as an overestimate, so 3.5 is still the single best guess, we just can’t be too confident in it. I read about the black kids having worse pre-adoption histories, but didn’t read the same about the mixed kids.
And you didn’t read about the other studies in which the blacks have higher IQs either.
The other studies suffered from small samples (Moore & Tizard) or sampling bias (Tizard & Eyferth), and they were all limited to young children, which is when IQ is most sensitive to home environment & when racial IQ gaps are smallest.
There is no evidence that the gaps widen with age. The age differences are generational, because blacks were poorer in the past.
No it’s not generational
because black adults in the 21st century score just as low on the WAIS as they did in the 1970s. Only black kids have narrowed the black-white gap over time.
Btw, I don’t see what sampling bias there is in Tizard’s study.
The black kids in the Tizard study were biological offspring of immigrants who are generally elite
Amazing how pumpkin suddenly remembers what constitutes a good study when literally 1 day ago he was of the belief that you can add nonexistent people to studies.
Immigrant status is irrelevant. Those who give up kids are never elite, and it doesn’t explain why the blacks scored higher than the mixed race kids.
Immigrant status is irrelevant. Those who give up kids are never elite,
If immigrants as a group are more elite than native borns, then immigrants who give up kids will be more elite than native borns who give up kids, even if neither is elite compared to those who keep kids.
and it doesn’t explain why the blacks scored higher than the mixed race kids.
The mixed race kids had less elite immigrant blood.
You have no clue what the IQ of these kids will be when they’re adult.
The studies that show blacks scoring higher (Tizard, Moore, Eyferth) have small ns too.
They’re still studies and the majority of them contradicts HBD.