Based on the fact that they left behind no drawings, I now estimate Neanderthals, like Homo erectus, had an artistic IQ of about 26. However in the documentary Apocalypse Neanderthal, a scientist mentions that it took him a year and a half to learn to make the stone tools Neanderthals made all the time. Since scientists probably average about 125 IQ, that might suggest Neanderthals had a spatial IQ as high as 125!
Assuming about a 0.35 correlation between artistic IQ and technological IQ, we might very crudely estimate an overall IQ of 71 for Neanderthals. I realize this is all very speculative, but scientist Steve Hsu arrived at a similar figure, stating:
It’s very likely these Neanderthals, although able to interbreed with humans, and probably capable of speech, will be on average considerably less intelligent than humans. If I had to guess I would suppose their average adult IQ to be about 70, or -2 SD relative to modern humans. You might wonder how they could have survived for 300k+ years with such modest intelligence, but based on my experiences with 5-10 year old kids I don’t think that a sub-adult level of maximum intelligence precludes the ability to form societies and function as hunter-gatherers. (Apes survive with even less cognitive ability.) I just don’t think that higher developments (e.g., invention of writing) are likely for such a population. What Homo Sapiens accomplished in 50-100k years far outstrips Neanderthal accomplishments over a much longer period of time.
Modern humans differ from each other at about 1 in 1000 places in the genome, whereas a Neanderthal and a human differ at a few per 1000 places. Some subset of these additional differences cause them to be broader, more powerfully muscled, and, most likely, less intelligent.
Hsu doesn’t explain why he estimates an IQ of 70, but notice how he cites the fact that genetically Neanderthals were twice as different from modern humans as modern humans are from one another, so perhaps he’s simply doubling the IQ standard deviation of 15 to guess that Neanderthals were 30 points below IQ 100 (defined as average on IQ tests).
An average IQ of 70 appears to be the threshold for discovering agriculture, something Neanderthals failed to do even during the Eemian, when they had 15,000 years of warm climate to do so. Anatomically modern humans also failed to make the leap to agriculture during those same 15,000 years, suggesting no modern human population had an average IQ above 70 before the upper Paleolithic, around the time scholar Richard G Klein believes a massive brain mutation occurred causing behavioral modernity.
What kind of genetic change might have occurred? Hsu once mentioned that a high quality Neanderthal genome had a genetic variant associated with developmental delay and autism. Perhaps prior to behavioral modernity, modern humans also had this variant in large numbers?
Pumpkin Person 
LOL, neanderthals did not have an artistic IQ of 26. Stop spreading misinformation.
So, 340 cc extra brain = 30 less IQ points?
“Neanderthals are known for their large cranial capacity, which at 1600 cm3 is larger on average than that of modern humans.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neanderthal#Anatomy
“The balance of findings for human brain size, largely based on participants of European ancestry, indicates an average adult brain volume of 1260 cubic centimeters (cm3) for men and 1130 cm3 for women.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_size
By pumpkin’s retarded logic we don’t know how to draw
Adjusted for body size their brains were tiny
Adjusted for body size, their cra nial capacity was sthe same size as modern humans
Adjusted for body size, their cra nial capacity was sthe same size as modern humans
WRONG!
Adjusted for body size their brains were 9% smaller than ours:
http://www.evoanth.net/2016/04/28/underestimating-human-brain-size/
Our brains are just the size expected for a primate our size.
Our brains are just the size expected for a primate our size.
Were you hit on the head as a kid or are you just naturally this stupid?
I think both actually.
Amount of neurons expected for a primate our size. What gives us cognitive superiority over elephants is amount of neurons in our cerebral cortex. Not our brain to body mass. 16 billion neurons in our cerebral cortex makes us more intelligent than elephants. Not our brain to body ratio. Absolute size don’t matter.
Adjusted for body size, our brains are more than FOUR TIMES bigger than elephants’.
Finally, our analyses add to the growing number of studies that conclude that the evolution of the human brain size has not been anomalous when compared to general primate brain evolution [59, 61, 91, 62, 63, 64, 65, 66, 67, 68, 69, 70, 71, 72, 73, 74, 75, 76, 77, 78, 79, 80, 81, 82, 83, 84, 85, 86, 87, 88, 89, 90, 91, 92, 93, 94].
http://bmcbiol.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1741-7007-8-9
That’s 36 references if you don’t care to count. Also, the amount of neurons a brain has directly causes hiw many kcal it needs. A human brain needs 6 kcal per neuron, 519 kcal per day for 86 billion neurons, regardless of brain volume.
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0017514
Finally, our analyses add to the growing number of studies that conclude that the evolution of the human brain size has not been anomalous when compared to general primate brain evolution
Primates in general have big brain but human brains are by far the biggest
Also, the amount of neurons a brain has directly causes hiw many kcal it needs.
What the fuck is your point?
A human brain needs 6 kcal per neuron, 519 kcal per day for 86 billion neurons, regardless of brain volume.
No one ever claimed our brains were metabolically efficient. Only that they’re huge.
And the human cerebral cortex ha three times as many neurons as the over twice as large cerebral cortex of the elephant. So it’s the total number in the cerebral cortex that matters. Humans have 16 built, chimps have 6 billion, elephants have 5.6 billion, monkey’s have 1.7 billion giraffes 1.7 billion, and rats .3 billion. Ranking it that way, it makes more sense that humans are cognitively superior to all animals. Now let’s look at just brain weight. 4.6 kg for elephants, 1.5 kg for humans, 700 grams for giraffes, 400 grams for chimps, 87 grams for monkey’s and 75 grams for rats. (Herculano-Houzel, 2016: 102-103)
“What the fuck is your point?”
The human brain isn’t special and we have the amount of neurons expected for a primate of our size.
“No one ever claimed Bruns were metabolically effect, only that they’re huge.”
But the point is that absolute brain size does not dictate how many kcal are used per day, neuron amount dictates that. This is why we need more kcal to fuel our brains and without how much he kcal we eat our brains would shrink. Read:
https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2016/12/31/progress-in-hominin-brain-evolution/
And the human cerebral cortex ha three times as many neurons as the over twice as large cerebral cortex of the elephant. So it’s the total number in the cerebral cortex that matters.
So long-finned pilot whales are smarter than people? They have nearly twice the number cerebral cortex neurons as people do:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_by_number_of_neurons#Cerebral_cortex
The human brain isn’t special and we have the amount of neurons expected for a primate of our size.
Our brains are far bigger than expected for a primate of our size. That’s pretty special.
But the point is that absolute brain size does not dictate how many kcal are used per day, neuron amount dictates that. This is why we need more kcal to fuel our brains and without how much he kcal we eat our brains would shrink. Read
And without the sun we’d freeze to death. What’s your point?
Thanks for the link. Neuron density is higher in humans than in the pilot whale. We have more neurons packed into one place. Their higher cell count is due only to their larger brains. And my friend, shrews, molelike mammals and some birds have bigger brains than we do for their body size. And where it matters: pilot whales have a higher than expected amount of neocortical neurons relative to body weight, although not higher than humans. Herculano-Houzel’s (2011) theory is still in play here. They have big brains and in turn large amounts of glial cells to counter heat loss.
“our brains are far bigger than expected for a primate our size”
Looking at the amount of neurons in our brain it’s not special. Our neurons give us cognitive superiority over other animals. Even then, absolute size means nothing.
“and without the sun we’d freeze to death.”
Right. People talk about brain size but they never talk about the cause for our big brains (Aka our large amount of neurons which takes large amounts of energy to power). Without the large amount of energy we consume our brains will shrink, we will lose neurons and we will get less intelligent. This is why I stress kcal intake and diet quality is imperative for brain size.
Thanks for the link. Neuron density is higher in humans than in the pilot whale. We have more neurons packed into one place.
So? Some other animal might have more neuron density than us.
And my friend, shrews, molelike mammals and some birds have bigger brains than we do for their body size.
WRONG! Humans have BY FAR the biggest brains for their body size. No one else even comes close. No one else even ALMOST comes close:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encephalization_quotient
Looking at the amount of neurons in our brain it’s not special. Our neurons give us cognitive superiority over other animals. Even then, absolute size means nothing.
Encephalization quotient (ratio of brain size to EXPECTED brain size for our body size) is what’s meaningful and gives us our superiority. It’s on this measure that we are head and shoulders above all other animals.
Right. People talk about brain size but they never talk about the cause for our big brains (Aka our large amount of neurons which takes large amounts of energy to power). Without the large amount of energy we consume our brains will shrink, we will lose neurons and we will get less intelligent. This is why I stress kcal intake and diet quality is imperative for brain size.
The cause of our large brains is selection for higher intelligence. Of course such selection would have only been successful if we had the energy resources to grow bigger brains and perhaps the invention of cooking helped us process food more efficiently as you imply. But our brains had already doubled in size in compared to a chimp brain before we started cooking.
“Primates in general have big brain but human brains are by far the biggest”
Scaled-up primate brain. Not crazy, weird, or unique. Our brains are the size that’s expected for a primate our size. The human brain is not special.
Our brains are the size that’s expected for a primate our size.
False.
Completely unrelated to our discussion:
What do you think of this article?
http://www.africaresource.com/sci-tech-a-business/genetics/554-race-and-brain-size-blacks-have-bigger-brains
I think the title is misleading. Blacks have smaller brains.
“So? Some other animal might have more neuron density than us.”
True. But the amount of neurons a brain has linearly scales with the amount of kcal a brain needs to function. So if we had the same size brains and say, half the amount of neurons we currently have at 43 billion, we’d only need 250 kcal to power our brains. Nueronal count matters most for the amount of kcal a brain uses daily.
“WRONG! Humans have BY FAR the biggest brains for their body size. No one else even comes close. No one else even ALMOST comes close:”
Sorry, brain to body size ratio. Our neuron count is expected for a primate of our size. That’s the cause for our cognitive superiority.
“Encephalization quotient (ratio of brain size to EXPECTED brain size for our body size) is what’s meaningful and gives us our superiority. It’s on this measure that we are head and shoulders above all other animals.”
Number of neurons and the density on the cerebral cortex dictate intelletual superiority. Our prefrontal cortex is no larger than it “should” be. (Herculano-Houzel, 2016: 121)
http://www.pnas.org/content/113/34/9617.abstract
And here’s something else for you. SInce I’m not an intellectually dishonest guy, Herculano-Houzel writes on page 122-123) (2016):
The ability to plan for the future, a significant function of prefrontal regions of the prefrontal cortex, may be key indeed. According to the best definition I have come across so far, put forward by MIT physicist Alex Wissner-Gross, intelligence is the ability to make decisions that maximize future freedom of action—that is, decisions that keep most doors open for the future.
Sounds like your ‘intelligence is the ability to adapt’.
We have 1.3 billion cortical neurons in our prefrontal cortex, baboons have 230 million, the macaque has 137 million and the marmoset has 20 million (Herculano-Houzel, 2016: 122).
“The cause of our large brains is selection for higher intelligence. Of course such selection would have only been successful if we had the energy resources to grow bigger brains and perhaps the invention of cooking helped us process food more efficiently as you imply. But our brains had already doubled in size in compared to a chimp brain before we started cooking.”
But what allowed the selection for higher intelligence is energy.
And most of the growth happened within the past 2 million years, perfectly coinciding with bipedalism, tools, fire, cooking, and meat eating.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-has-human-brain-evolved/
http://bio.research.ucsc.edu/~barrylab/classes/animal_behavior/HOMO_EVO.HTM
Click to access E1215.full.pdf
If not for the beginnings of Lucy’s bipedal pelvis and erectus’ fire use, cooking and meat eating, Man wouldn’t be here. That is what drives the expansion of brain size, and if we continued eating a plant-based diet, our brains never would have gotten this big.
The nutrients in a raw food, plant-based diet is not conducive to big brains. We’d have to eat for 9.3 hours to power our brains if we ate raw plant foods like other primates do (Azevedo and Herculano-Houzel, 2012).
http://www.pnas.org/content/109/45/18571.full
“So? Some other animal might have more neuron density than us.”
True. But the amount of neurons a brain has linearly scales with the amount of kcal a brain needs to function. So if we had the same size brains and say, half the amount of neurons we currently have at 43 billion, we’d only need 250 kcal to power our brains. Nueronal count matters most for the amount of kcal a brain uses daily.
That doesn’t mean it’s the only thing that counts when it comes to intelligence. There’s also the connection between neurons and how well insulated the neurons are. One reason bigger brains are smarter is because they have a thicker myelin sheath allowing faster communication, and because they have more dendrites, allowing links between more neurons.
Our neuron count is expected for a primate of our size. That’s the cause for our cognitive superiority.
Then why do primates so much bigger than us have way fewer neurons. She’s basing what is EXPECTED for big primates by looking only at small primates and dismissing the actual big primates as outliers. And if neuron count were decisive, why are long-finned pilot whales so dumb, despite having nearly twice as many cerebral neurons as us? And how did they get so many neurons without figuring out how to cook underwater?
The simplest theory for our superior intelligence is we have a much bigger brain than expected for an animal our size.
“False.”
Excuse me, I’m still somewhat groggy. You’re right. But the total amount of neurons and amount of neurons in our cerebral cortex along with the neuronal density in our cerebral cortex is why we’re cognitively superior to other animals.
See table 1, page 5 of Race, Evolution, and Behavior.
Click to access jp-rushton-race-evolution-behavior-unabridged-1997-edition.pdf
Orientals 13, 767 neurons, Europeans 13,665, and Africans 13,185 (numbers in billions) for cortical neurons by race.
This means that on this estimate, Mongoloids, who average 1,364 cm3
have 13.767 billion cortical neurons (13.767 x 109). Caucasoids who average 1,347 cm3 have 13.665 billion such neurons, 102 million less than Mongoloids. Negroids who average 1,267 cm3, have 13.185 billion cerebral neurons, 582 million less than Mongoloids and 480 million less than Caucasoids. (Rushton, 1997: 133)
I’ve no idea where Rushton gets these numbers from, do you? I don’t see a reference in REB. Nevermind, got it. Page 114:
Because I was curious to know what the data would show, despite methodological weaknesses, and because I believed that the principle of aggregation
(chap. 2) often cancels measurement error, I calculated the mid-points of the range of scores provided by Tobias (1970: 6, Table 2) and found that Mongoloids averaged 1,368 grams, Caucasoids 1,378 grams, and Negroids 1,316 grams (Rushton, 1988b). I also averaged a related measure, the “millions of excess nerve cells” estimated by Tobias for 8 subgroups and nationalities (1970: 9, Table 3). These were the number of neurons available for general adaptive purposes over and above that necessary for maintaining bodily functioning and were derivable from equations based on brain/body weight ratios (Jerison, 1963,1973). Tobias was skeptical of the value of this “exercise” and provided few details. Nonetheless, I found that in millions of excess neurons, Mongoloids = 8,990, Caucasoids = 8,650, and Negroids = 8,550 (Rushton, 1988c)
Yea brain size means *something*, but it’s not the overall brain size that matters, as even a brain that’s bigger but has less overall neurons still uses less kcal than a brain that’s smaller but with more neurons. I like the neuron theory of intelligence, it makes more sense than brain weight imo. You should read Herculano-Houzel’s book. It’s a great read.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain-to-body_mass_ratio
small ants 1:7
tree shrew 1:10
small birds 1:14
mouse 1:40
human 1:50
cat 1:110
dog 1:125
squirrel 1:150
frog 1:172
lion 1:550
elephant 1:560
horse 1:600
shark 1:2496
hippopotamus 1:2789
It’s brain size/expected brain size for bod size, that strongly correlates with species level intelligence; not brain size/body size.
Simply taking the brain/body ratio is biased in favour of small animals, since bodies increase in size much more than brains do.
^^^^^^
“That doesn’t mean it’s the only thing that counts when it comes to intelligence. There’s also the connection between neurons and how well insulated the neurons are. One reason bigger brains are smarter is because they have a thicker myelin sheath allowing faster communication, and because they have more dendrites, allowing links between more neurons.”
I agree here.
Genes that influence intelligence determine how well axons are encased in myelin, which is the fatty insulation that coats our axons, allowing for fast signaling to the brain. Thicker myelin also means faster nerve impulses. The researchers used HARDI to measure water diffusion in the brain. If the water diffuses rapidly in one direction, that shows the brain has very fast connections. Whereas a more broad diffusion would indicate slower signaling, thus lower intelligence. It basically gives us a picture of an individual’s mental speed. Thinking of reaction time tests where Asians beat whites who beat blacks, this could possibly show how differing process times between populations manifest itself in reaction time. Since myelin is correlated with fast connections, we can make the inference that Asians have more than whites who have more than blacks, on average. The researchers also say that it’s a long time from now, but we may be able to increase intelligence by manipulating the genes responsible for myelin.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/03/090317142841.htm
“Then why do primates so much bigger than us have way fewer neurons.”
Because they eat a plant-based diet.
Metabolic limitations that result from the number of hours available for feeding and the low caloric yield of raw foods explains the small brain size of great apes compared to their bodies. (Azevedo and Herculano-Houzel, 2012)
http://www.pnas.org/content/109/45/18571.full
“She’s basing what is EXPECTED for big primates by looking only at small primates and dismissing the actual big primates as outliers.”
No she isn’t:
By using a simple model of scaling of energetic intake and expenditure with increasing MBD and number of brain neurons, here we demonstrate that, for primates feeding exclusively on a raw diet, metabolism is indeed a physiologically relevant limiting factor in evolution such that a tradeoff between MBD and number of brain neurons is imposed. This tradeoff is particularly clear in animals the size of great apes, as sustaining an MBD of ∼50 kg already requires feeding appoximately 8 h/d, beyond which increasing both MBD and the number of brain neurons becomes rapidly dangerous. Such a tradeoff provides a simple explanation for why great apes have the smallest relative brain sizes among primates: on their diet based on raw foods, and given that, per gram of tissue, larger brains came at a higher metabolic cost than larger bodies, the largest great apes cannot afford both a large body and a larger number of neurons.
She says great apes are the outliers in terms of body size compared to brain size because in humans the brain represents 2 percent of total body mass whereas in gorillas and orangutans, the brain is 500 grams which is 1 percent of their total body mass, which represents, at most, 1 percent of a body weighing 50 kg and .5 percent or less of a body weighing 100 kg. Gorillas need big bodies for social dominance and hierarchies. Thus, they need to feed between 8 and 10 hours per day to get enough kcal to power their bodies with their plant-based diet. The point is, is that meat eating, fire and cooking drove the increase in brain size compared to great apes.
“And if neuron count were decisive, why are long-finned pilot whales so dumb, despite having nearly twice as many cerebral neurons as us?”
They show a higher number of neocortical neurons than expected for their body size, but not to the extent of humans or harbor porpoises.
And the study shows (irrespective of what I pointed out earlier) that the relationship doesn’t hold between humans and cetaceans, but it does hold between humans and other primates and humans and other mammals.
And we have more neocortical neurons relative to body weight than the long-finned dolphin. Moreover, Herculano-Houzel estimates the amount of neurons for the pilot whale, which using her scaling rules, they would have a cerebral cortex composed of 3 billion neurons along with the highest estimate for cetaceans being 10 billion with the largest whale brain weighing 6 to 7 kg.
So our ‘human advantage’ comes from 1) the total amount of neurons in the cerebral cortex ALONG WITH the neuronal density in the cortex. No other animal has ever managed this.
“And how did they get so many neurons without figuring out how to cook underwater?”
Their higher cell number is due to their larger brain. This is why their cortical neuronal density isn’t as great as ours and that’s the cause of our cognitive superiority over other animals in the animal kingdom (along with neuronal differences in the prefrontal cortex as I brought up earlier).
They also feed on squid, octopi, fish and other things like that in the sea. They’re high in omega-3s which drive brain growth and neuron count.
Click to access m148p001.pdf
“The simplest theory for our superior intelligence is we have a much bigger brain than expected for an animal our size.”
I disagree. Neuron amount and density shows our superior intelligence. Our brains are only 7 times larger when compared to other great apes (Herculano-Houzel, 2016: 2). Our brains use just the amount of energy expected for the amount of neurons we have in our brains. So, density and number of neurons in the cerebral cortex along with the connectivity between neurons and synapses and the like give us our ‘human advantage’ and 1.3 billion neurons in our prefrontal cortex (more than any other primate) explains our cognitive superiority, not our overall brain size or EQ.
I disagree. Neuron amount and density shows our superior intelligence. Our brains are only 7 times larger when compared to other great apes
SEVEN TIMES is huge.
Our brains use just the amount of energy expected for the amount of neurons we have in our brains.
Whoever claimed they didn’t?
So, density and number of neurons in the cerebral cortex along with the connectivity between neurons and synapses and the like give us our ‘human advantage’ and 1.3 billion neurons in our prefrontal cortex (more than any other primate) explains our cognitive superiority, not our overall brain size or EQ.
EQ is an excellent rough and ready measure of inter-species intelligence because it shows how much brain mass you have left over after body size demands are met and it indirectly measures most of the stuff you talk about anyway. By contrast, you just have a long laundry list of more specific factors, most of which are already related to EQ: density of neurons, number of neurons, connectivity of neurons, whether the neurons are in the cerebral cortex, whether they’re in the prefrontal-cortex, whether you’re a primate or not.
It’s very easy to make a long list, but it’s much harder to make a formula that works.
I’m sorry.
It’s no good.
Our brains are just the size expected for a primate our size.
In neuron density yes but you see humans cook food so this doesn’t change the fact that more brain mass per body mass is the result of higher intelligence. If gorillas evolved into bipeds and began cooking I think they would become as intelligent as humans eventually. This would mean instead of one percent their brain would become 2 percent of their body mass. Bottom line: humans cook so they have bigger brains.
“SEVEN TIMES is huge.”
Of course it is.
Harry Jerison, the originator of the encephalization quotient, came to the conclusion that “human evolution … had been all about an advancement of encephalization quotients culminating in man.” (Herculano-Houzel, 2016: 15)
There is, however, a problem with encephalization.
If there are species that are encephalized, then by mathematical necessity, there should be species that are underencephalize, having less brain mass to operate their bodies, which is not likely.
Moreover, the “circular assumption” that higher EQ mean superior cognitive abilities in humans wasn’t founded on “tried-and-true correlations with actual measures of cognitive capacity.” (Herculano-Houzel, 2016: 15)
In second place on the EQ chart is the capuchin monkey coming in with an EQ of 2, which is more than double that of great apes who fall way below 1. That would imply that capuchin monkeys are more intelligent than great apes (https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/05b3/9cf04fc38a7633575bc5cac02ee2c146d8f9.pdf), right? Wrong. Great apes are. Total brain size predicts cognitive abilities in non-human primates better than EQ. (Deaner et al, 2007)
http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.706.1236&rep=rep1&type=pdf
Great apes significantly outperform other lineages. (Deaner, Schaik, and Johnson, 2006)
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/232522019_Do_Some_Taxa_Have_Better_Domain-General_Cognition_than_others_A_Meta-Analysis_of_Nonhuman_Primate_Studies
Another problem with the EQ is that it assumes that all brains are made the same, and they aren’t. They scale differently between species. That’s one pretty huge flaw.
Also, it’s been challenged, as I’ve been showing you the past few days.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1364661305000823
Absolute brain size is a much better indicator of intelligence than the encephalization quotient.
“EQ is an excellent rough and ready measure of inter-species intelligence because it shows how much brain mass you have left over after body size demands are met and it indirectly measures most of the stuff you talk about anyway. By contrast, you just have a long laundry list of more specific factors, most of which are already related to EQ: density of neurons, number of neurons, connectivity of neurons, whether the neurons are in the cerebral cortex, whether they’re in the prefrontal-cortex, whether you’re a primate or not.
It’s very easy to make a long list, but it’s much harder to make a formula that works.
I’m sorry.
It’s no good.”
See above.
By the way, something more relevant to your posts the past few days and something I’ve been thinking about the past few days:
While we find that predicted total numbers of neurons in the brain varied in Australopithecus and Paranthropus species within the same range as in great apes (predicted 27–35 billion neurons), a step to 50–60 billion neurons is predicted to have occurred in Homo species from H. rudolfensis to H. antecessor. H. erectus is predicted to have had a brain of 62 billion neurons on average, with over 50% more neurons than H. habilis. Remarkably, H. heidelbergensis and H. neanderthalensis have predicted total numbers of neurons in the brain that fall within the range of variation found in modern H. sapiens (76–90 billion neurons [Azevedo et al., 2009]).
[…]
Given that cognitive abilities of non-human primates are directly correlated with absolute brain size [Deaner et al., 2007], and hence necessarily to the total number of neurons in the brain, it is interesting to consider that enlarged brain size, consequence of an increased number of neurons in the brain, may itself have contributed to shedding a dependence on body size for successful competition for resources and mates, besides contributing with larger cognitive abilities towards the success of our species [Herculano-Houzel, 2009]. In this regard, it is tempting to speculate on our prediction that the modern range of number of neurons observed in the human brain [Azevedo et al., 2009] was already found in H. heidelbergensis and H. neanderthalensis, raising the intriguing possibility that they had similar cognitive potential to our species. Compared to their societies, our outstanding accomplishments as individuals, as groups, and as a species, in this scenario, would be witnesses of the beneficial effects of cultural accumulation and transmission over the ages. (Herculano-Houzel and Kaas, 2011)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3064932/
They seem to be indicating that Gould was….right! Holy shit!
Not saying I believe it, though it’s damn interesting and I’m going to look further into it.
Actually pan troglodytes (chimps) have an EQ of 2.4 according to this source:
http://www.evoanth.net/2016/04/28/underestimating-human-brain-size/
Across the entire animal kingdom EQ is the single best measure of intelligence & the only one where humans come out on top
Re: Herculano-Houzel (2011):
It is usually considered a paradox that the human brain, although smaller than elephant and cetacean brains, is the most cognitively able. The concept that humans are more encephalized than all other mammals appeared in the 1970s as a solution to that paradox: humans have a brain that is much larger than expected from their body mass. Such an “excess brain mass” would provide increased cognitive abilities across species, thus explaining our cognitive superiority. However, behind the paradox lies the assumption that large mammalian brains are scaled-up versions of smaller brains, always containing more neurons than smaller ones—an assumption that we have recently shown to be invalid. Here, it is proposed that the absolute number of neurons, irrespective of brain or body size, is a better predictor of cognitive ability—in which case, the cognitive superiority of humans would come as no paradox, surprise, or exception to evolutionary rules.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1749-6632.2011.05976.x/abstract
Also, the sample for habilis sensu stricto was a whopping n=2 in that study you linked me to.
Cortical neuron density and number in the cerebral cortex is why we have superior cognitive abilities compared to other animals.
Humans don’t have the most neurons or even the most cortical neurons; whales do.
And why would neuron density matter? More is more.
And why are you ignoring the other things that make brains big like dendrites and myelin?
EQ is a much simpler way of looking at it.
Sorry for the late reply i was at a new years eve party like a normal person.
“WRONG!
Adjusted for body size their brains were 9% smaller than ours:”
Hey looky there you’re referencing my favorite anthro blog.
Also, so what? Assuming Sophic’s numbers are right 9% of 1250 is 1137 That’s only 1 sd
Translating that to an IQ of 70. Don’t you think an IQ of 70 is enough to draw pictures? Spatial IQ is correlated with your “artistic” IQ, Having a larger visual cortex may have actually given them a higher potential for artistic abilities. It’d be interesting if there was a study on the correlation between spatial ability and visual cortex size.
“Humans don’t have the most neurons or even the most cortical neurons; whales do.
And why would neuron density matter? More is more.
And why are you ignoring the other things that make brains big like dendrites and myelin?
EQ is a much simpler way of looking at it.”
EQ and neuron density both matter. If two species have the same EQ but one has highes neuron density, then the latter will be more intelligent and vice versa
Neuron density matters because fewer space between neurons= quicker and shorter connections. It’s the same reason a spherical brain is preferable over an elongated one.
Using a similar source as race realist we can see that the entire primate family has an abnormaly neuron dense brain http://www.evoanth.net/2012/07/03/humans-have-giant-chimp-brains/
“in primates the relationship between the number of neurons in the cerebral cortex and the size of that cortex were very similar to the relationship present in the rest of the brain. Increasing the number of neurons in the cerebral cortex 10 times increases the size of the cerebral cortex ~10 times. Compare that to a rodent where increasing the number of neurons in the cerebral cortex 10-fold increases its size 50-fold!”
I think race realist is also slightly confused. The new study did not invalidate EQ all it was saying was that if chimps suddenly had a brain our size that the number of nuerons would be the same as ours as well.
Not to say EQ doesn’t have issues. Some monkeys have EQ’s higher than chimps.
“So? Some other animal might have more neuron density than us.”
Ad hoc.
“Humans don’t have the most neurons or even the most cortical neurons; whales do.”
Humans have a higher NPD than whales, and humans have more cortical neurons than the whales cited when compared by body mass. Moreover, as I said, the high amount of neurons is due to its big brain—ours is ‘unique’ in this sense (while still falling within the scale for primate brains). And its aomunt of neurons in our frontal cotortex that;s higher—in absolute number and packing density—than other mammals.
“And why would neuron density matter? More is more.”
Let’s take two brains with the same EQs but one has more densely packed neurons than the other, which will be more intelligent?
“And why are you ignoring the other things that make brains big like dendrites and myelin?”
I’m not. I said I agree and even explained why I agree. But this is about comparison between cortical neurons between and within species.
“EQ is a much simpler way of looking at it.”
EQ has tons of problems. Would you come to the same conclusion that Harry Jerison did in terms of higher EQ in hominin evolution?
Melo,
“I think race realist is also slightly confused. The new study did not invalidate EQ all it was saying was that if chimps suddenly had a brain our size that the number of nuerons would be the same as ours as well.”
No I’m not confused. I never said it invalidated EQ, I said that looking at the neuronal composition of the brains shows a different look at the scale of intelligence between animals. Let me show you what the author of the paper says:
And that’s the point. Humans have lineraly scaled-up primate brains, ie they are not special.
I showed some problems with EQ, and NPD and total amount of neurons in both the prefrontal cortex and cerebral cortex matter most.
Melo, thoughts on this? I don’t know what to think! I’m experiencing some cog diss:
While we find that predicted total numbers of neurons in the brain varied in Australopithecus and Paranthropus species within the same range as in great apes (predicted 27–35 billion neurons), a step to 50–60 billion neurons is predicted to have occurred in Homo species from H. rudolfensis to H. antecessor. H. erectus is predicted to have had a brain of 62 billion neurons on average, with over 50% more neurons than H. habilis. Remarkably, H. heidelbergensis and H. neanderthalensis have predicted total numbers of neurons in the brain that fall within the range of variation found in modern H. sapiens (76–90 billion neurons [Azevedo et al., 2009]).
[…]
Given that cognitive abilities of non-human primates are directly correlated with absolute brain size [Deaner et al., 2007], and hence necessarily to the total number of neurons in the brain, it is interesting to consider that enlarged brain size, consequence of an increased number of neurons in the brain, may itself have contributed to shedding a dependence on body size for successful competition for resources and mates, besides contributing with larger cognitive abilities towards the success of our species [Herculano-Houzel, 2009]. In this regard, it is tempting to speculate on our prediction that the modern range of number of neurons observed in the human brain [Azevedo et al., 2009] was already found in H. heidelbergensis and H. neanderthalensis, raising the intriguing possibility that they had similar cognitive potential to our species. Compared to their societies, our outstanding accomplishments as individuals, as groups, and as a species, in this scenario, would be witnesses of the beneficial effects of cultural accumulation and transmission over the ages. (Herculano-Houzel and Kaas, 2011)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3064932/
Kinda experiencing some cog diss, especially at that last sentence.
“If two species have the same EQ but one has highes neuron density, then the latter will be more intelligent and vice versa”
Good argument. But it’s wrong because all brains are not made the same. Different scaling rules apply.
Lol those quotes are basically what I was saying. Neanderthals and homo heidelbergensis had overlapping intelligence with us. Not the exact same.
Maybe this will help:
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/joa.12531/full#references
Thanks for the link. Here’s the full paper.
Click to access 10.1111%40joa.12531.pdf
The bolded parts are making me think because that’s corroborating what Gould said. Some quotes:
“The most impressive contrast between natural evolution and cultural evolution lies embedded in the major fact of our history. We have no evidence that the modal form of human bodies or brains has changed at all in the past 100,000 years—a standard phenomenon of stasis for successful and widespread species, and not (as popularly misconceived) an odd exception to an expectation of continuous and progressive change. The Cro-Magnon people who painted the caves of the Lascaux and Altamira some fifteen thousand years ago are us—and one look at the incredible richness and beauty of this work convinces us, in the most immediate and visceral way, that Picasso held no edge in mental sophistication over these ancestors with identical brains. And yet, fifteen thousand years ago no human social grouping had produced anything that would conform with our standard definition of civilization. No society had yet invented agriculture; none had built permanent cities. Everything that we have accomplished in the unmeasurable geological moment of the last ten thousand years—from the origin of agriculture to the Sears building in Chicago, the entire panoply of human civilization for better or for worse—has been built upon the capacities of an unaltered brain. Clearly, cultural change can vastly outstrip the maximal rate of natural Darwinian evolution.” (Gould, 1996: 220)
But human cultural change is an entirely distinct process operating under radically different principals that do allow for the strong possibility of a driven trend for what we may legitimately call “progress” (at least in a technological sense, whether or not the changes ultimately do us any good in a practical or moral way). In this sense, I deeply regret that common usage refers to the history of our artifacts and social organizations as “cultural evolution.” Using the same term—evolution—for both natural and cultural history obfuscates far more than it enlightens. Of course, some aspects of the two phenomena must be similar, for all processes of genealogical constrained historical change must share some features in common. But the differences far outweigh the similarities in this case. Unfortunately, when we speak of “cultural evolution,” we unwittingly imply that this process shares essential similarity with the phenomenon most widely described by the same name—natural, or Darwinian, change. The common designation of “evolution” then leads to one of the most frequent and portentous errors in our analysis of human life and history—the overly reductionist assumption that the Darwinian natural paradigm will fully encompass our social and technological history as well. I do wish that the term “cultural evolution” would drop from use. Why not speak of something more neutral and descriptive—“cultural change,” for example? (Gould, 1996: 219-220)
There’a been no biological changes in humans in 40,000 or 50,000 years. Everything we call culture we’ve built with the same body and brain—Stephen Jay Gould
Now think about this in terms of what Herculano-Houzel and Kaas said about neurons and ancient hominins and comparing our societies with cultural change—just like Gould said. Worth noting that Herculano-Houzel is also an anti-progressivist like Gould and she cites his book Ontogeny and Phylogeny in her book.
In this regard, it is tempting to speculate on our prediction that the modern range of number of neurons observed in the human brain [Azevedo et al., 2009] was already found in H. heidelbergensis and H. neanderthalensis, raising the intriguing possibility that they had similar cognitive potential to our species. Compared to their societies, our outstanding accomplishments as individuals, as groups, and as a species, in this scenario, would be witnesses of the beneficial effects of cultural accumulation and transmission over the ages.
Muh world view.
Honesty a default position of mine has always been that cro magnon was more intelligent than modern man, Judging by brain capacity alone, not to mention the fact that despite ice age conditions these people were able to produce sophisticated art and display a profound knowledge to the predisposed physics in their world.
I do not think cultural evolution is significant enough to explain these changes
Many hominids were achieving high populations but produced no jump in self awareness.
“Were you hit on the head as a kid or are you just naturally this stupid?”
Dang, PP must have been sippin some eggnog 🙂
I don’t know poop about this topic except that it was PP who turned me onto the idea that brain size mattered, saying, “His superhuman intelligence was perfectly paralleled and likely largely caused by his super-normal brain size. I loved the symmetry of that! It was aesthetically very pleasing to me.” https://brainsize.wordpress.com/2014/07/03/the-brain-size-of-americas-smartest-man/
Can you have it both ways?
No mention of ratios before and since Chris is a big dude and if the Neanderthals’ brains are discounted, then why not Chris’?
langan is obviously SCARY smart even though his IQ test is from the back of a cereal box.
I stumbled on this:
“Einstein’s brain weighed only 1,230 grams, less than the average adult brain which weighs about 1,400 grams. However, the density of neurons was greater.”
http://phys.org/news/2005-01-einsteins-brain.html
This reminds me of NASCAR vs F1… big engine turning slowly vs small engine turning fast.
Langan is NASCAR and Einstein is F1.
Let’s use analogy logic.
Does Pumpkin think a 6’5 person is a good basketball player?
Also, Deal with It! has disappeared after my assertion she is none other than….
Pumpkin Person. Strange coincidence.
i had a similar feeling.
If thats true then pumpkin really is a woman who wants mugabes’s dick.
it would explain a lot
i had a similar feeling.
People with impaired Theory of Mind think alike.
If thats true then pumpkin really is a woman who wants mugabes’s dick.
Even if I were a woman, I wouldn’t want his dick.
I don’t want Mugabe’s dick.
“People with impaired Theory of Mind think alike. Even if I were a woman, I wouldn’t want his dick.”
What did philosopher ever do to you? I can understand why you are passive aggressive to me, I disagree with you. It’s very hard for autists to come to understand why someone could possibly disagree with them or have a differing opinion. They induce their own ad nauseam.
I wasn’t even really suggesting you two were the same people, I was just saying it would make sense.
Something’s got to explain, Your feminine fingers, your feminine writing style, your love of oprah, and your extreme gullible/try hardish personality.
I mean how can you diss my “theory of mind” when you believed marsha’s rape story? I mean you are so easy to troll it’s ridiculous. You are more autistic than me diagnosis or not.
I never said I believed her rape story
And of course my comment becomes moderated. Pumpkin hates personal “attacks” unless he’s the one dishing them out.
Your comments not moderated. Look for it.
Your comment was automatically flagged because of its content but i released it
well now it’s not.
I don’t mean to be a dick pumpkin, I’m just argumentative.
“Something’s got to explain, Your feminine fingers, your feminine writing style, your love of oprah, and your extreme gullible/try hardish personality.”
Low T with a liberal upbringing?
I mean how can you diss my “theory of mind” when you believed marsha’s rape story?
MeLo, Dude
Don’t know how to break it to ya man
But I really was raped
I’m a prostitute, shit happens
As a diagnosed autistic, you thought I was trolling
You can’t read genuine emotion
It’s okay, you’re hardly the most autistic person here
What you call Pumpkin’s femininity is really just high social IQ
Pumpkin’s social sensitivity seems female to his autistic readers because autistics have extreme male brain.
Anyway MeLo, just because you’re autistic doesn’t mean we can’t be friends
But the fact that your IQ is 70 points lower than mine means we can’t be friends
But the fact that your IQ is 70 points lower than mine means we can’t be friends
Oh snap!
Somebody buy some butter, cause I smell TOAST!
“It’s okay, you’re hardly the most autistic person here”
I know, pumpkin is far more autistic.
“MeLo, Dude
Don’t know how to break it to ya man
But I really was raped
I’m a prostitute, shit happens”
Rape happens for a reason. You probably weren’t worth the money.
“Pumpkin’s social sensitivity seems female to his autistic readers because autistics have extreme male brain.”
So did pumpkin give you a couple grand for a blowjob too?
“Anyway MeLo, just because you’re autistic doesn’t mean we can’t be friends”
That’s precisely why we can’t be friends. I have an “extreme male brain” you’d just be a fuck-toy to me. You would not be able to resist my high T.
“But the fact that your IQ is 70 points lower”
Hahahahahaha!
“Oh snap!
Somebody buy some butter, cause I smell TOAST!”
My gawd you are so fucking cringy pumpkin.
Your IQ is no higher than 105.
>em>It’s sad when a Mother has to speak the words that condemn her own son, but I couldn’t allow them to believe that I would commit murder. They’ll put him away now, as I should have years ago. He was always bad and in the end, he intended to tell them I killed those girls and that man, as if I could do anything except just sit and stare, like one of his stuffed birds.
Oh, they know I can’t even move a finger, and I won’t. I’ll just sit here and be quiet, just in case they do suspect me. They’re probably watching me. Well, let them. Let them see what kind of a person I am. I’m not even gonna swat that fly. I hope they are watching. They’ll see. They’ll see and they’ll know, and they’ll say, ‘Why, she wouldn’t even harm a fly.’
hahaha
Stop watching horror movies. Recipe for disaster for schizos.
There’s a case to be made for that.
1. Doesn’t really understand R-K selectivity (think Zion is pushing Blacks onto Whites ENTIRELY, unable to acknowledge charisma is a function)
2. Obsessed with Blacks while having “mixed feelings” on the Jews- he’s been conned into bashing a less powerful race while (partially) defending a more powerful one.
3. He’s admitted he’s a post-morbid Schizo….
4. Absolutely confident he’s the smartest guy in the room and considering 1-3 it’s likely he falls on the left side of the ‘Dunning-Krueger function.’
Just a nice pieces of music to close out the year.
The most gifted musician of the 20th century.
“Since scientists probably average about 125 IQ, that might suggest Neanderthals had a spatial IQ as high as 125!”
The average neanderthal diddn’t figure out how to make typical neanderthal stone tools through speculation and educated deduction (like scientists do)—thus likely did not need nearly as much intelligence as those scientists to do so—,because instead they were taught by other neanderthals (and/or learned by observing other neanderthals make them)—using knowledge that had accumulated presumably over millennia prior.
Cont:
I would think learning to make a novel kind of stone tool made by an extinct group/culture habitually/ruitinely would take a while for researchers, (presumably young neanderthals also required a learning period—as modern/more recent tribal peoples would to learn to make and effectivey use the tools used by their people—, even with the advantage of growing up among those who knew how to make the relevant tool type.
Also, their general technologica level does not suggest such a high spatial iq , as well as their failure to use technologies such a traps and nets, as sapiens did (there is evidence of net weights in paleolithic Africa, for example, and in Eurasia in later periods), and their smaller prefrontal cortices (which influence executive functions generally and I would imagine spatial iq would correlate somewhat to strategic thinking and likely artistic predispositions; where neanderthals were often/usually seemingly less advanced than sapiens e.g in their food procurement/hunting methods, though more advanced than other preceding hominins)—though other factors affect intelligence as mentioned.
Edit: “I would think learning to make—and use effectively—a novel kind of stone tool…”
I meant to say
”
“to make a stone tool that was made by habitually/ruitinely by an extinct group…”
(but also to make it routinely/reproduceably themselves.)
Trump’s New Year’s Eve tweet:
“Happy New Year to all, including to my many enemies and those who have fought me and lost so badly they just don’t know what to do. Love!”
I mean, do I even have to point out all the ways in which it’s problematic? Lion loves it because he’s a deplorable bitter man.
If your criticism of America is that it’s a business rather than a country, Trump is NOT your guy even if you don’t realize it. Look at his cabinet picks- billionaires galore.
It is still a business regardless of Trump. All Anglo Prole Sphere nations are employers, with America being the most robust of employers — with the most immigrants, the most income inequality — reminiscent of American corporations where CEOs make 100 times more than what the minimum wage worker makes. And it will get worse for those who want to climb up the corporate ladder, because there is none to step up.
Indeed, JS.
I would also add that it goes back to the individualist mindset and the religious belief in predetermination.
AKA a “meritocracy”.
the religious belief in free will
FTFY
Maybe.
The religious belief in free will, that “I” made something was less advantageous to ruling elites then “God gave this to me”……….
The average Anglo Prole is fucked for a simple reason of lacking linguistic variety.
What good is a McGill-English degree in French Canada, when you it doesn’t allow you to work in the province?
And Jews aren’t going anywhere, because America is basically their country. No one else in the world likes them. The same applies to Anglo Proles, but Anglo Proles don’t have the tribal privilege granted to Jews, so essentially they’re fucked!
I’ve watched entertainment throughout the Western world, and American actors are the least talented, least versatile and the least subtle with the most amount of arrested development. Hollywood flicks are garbage and so are the immature artists behind their work. You can blame the Jews, or you can blame others for following the Jews — it doesn’t matter because it produces the same result. Americans lack talent.
All Americans should be taught the following in schools.
Ecclesiastes 9:11
I returned, and saw under the sun, that the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favour to men of skill; but time and chance happeneth to them all.
The Alt-Right is too stupid to realize they, in reality, lost.
Trump is the closest thing we’ve had to a Jewish President…just look at his business connections and cabinet.
Mugabe seems to think will expedite the decline/destruction of America, and that’s why he supported him.
The rest of the “alt-sphere” by and large was conned.
As Santo said…”tards gonna tard”
Had Trump lost, there would’ve been the martyr effect and they would’ve tried to run somebody who actually is one of them in 2020.
It sounds like you’re saying Mug of Pee & Philosopher got played
Mug of Pee had hoped Trump would essentially destroy the GOP, but before doing so he’d fix immigration, allowing Whites to vote leftist for Bernie in 2020. This is not unreasonable.
But philosopher is ridiculous. He buys into the alt right view that Trump will do stuff like reinstating the Jew quota.
His witty antics don’t change the fact that Trump is not going to do things that harm his own family, at least if you acknowledge EGIs.
You ezz stoopid. Canunot see he hasss to give dee gentile elite in oil, industwee and wall street freeebies to reverse the neocon advance on Madonna? He hazz to frack the elite consensus, the Washington Consensus, so to speak.
And les neocons maintenant l’illusion et déclarent dans leur morceaux on doit un guerre avec les Ruskies pour stabilise le system. Politics est un jeu compliqué parce que on dois donner elements particulaires financières aux nos fascist wankers pour prendre les autres des neocons foreigner jewish wankers.
Ohh mah gott, Everyone shud de Pol Science 101. Its CRAZY!!!! You learn about the art of power. Super CRAZY. Except read the old textbooks, not the SJW braindead kiss black people ones. You won’t learn anything that way except to bow to Zion’s social engineering and enjoy giving out Oscars and cheapening your civilisation.
Power is the creation of coalitions not individuals. Even dose pesky monarchies had kings who relied on secret policeymen, millitary and industr-eelists/bankstas to rule. And not all secret policemen, generals and wanksters were on board at all times.
Trump is the presage, if he is successful, of the transfer of power, through a very complicated 3d chess games, back to the gentile elite somewhat, and of course gentile whites in general.
Don’t complain mon ami, its for your good too even if (((they))) have convinced you women don’t suffer under Sharia Law.
“Power is the creation of coalitions not individuals”
Except the Coalition, aka proles, don’t care about Jews at all, yet.
They think them jooos is going to help us fight evil Moslems.
Things could begin to shift in the way you are describing but a Trump loss and his “martyrdom” via that loss would’ve worked better.
He’s completely insincere and in over his head. If y’all had held out for someone better your odds would be better.
Its a sad choice – fasces lite or Zion hardcore.
I always say in these situation to the kids – fasces lite.
As Robert is fond of saying – Trump 8 years to ‘knock the hell out of Zion’ and then Bernie once the barbarians are back in the Dead Marshes of Mordor to give us sane and humane economic policies.
If the left and right could only see, that they have much in common against the cuckold centre.
But I daresay Bernie would be under pressure to throw open the border again and make the supreme court all jewish. Within a year, the supremes would legalise US citizenship for the whole world and call African Oscar wins a ‘human right’ and pass hate speech laws so you can’t say anything about race (and Jewish power).
Don’t condescend to someone who’s smarter than you, asshole.
Trumpy has a type of intelligence that’s even rarer than quantitative or verbal or even musical – social intelligence.
He’s lying when he says hes not a politican. He’s the most natural unscripted politician I’ve seen in my lifetime. He doesn’t need advisers or polls or teleprompters because he knows what to say naturally.
And this is the ironic bit. The people that are paid to do all that consultancy shit for pols are in on the cuckold racket so the pols sound soooo out of touch that it was easy for a realtalker to win like Trump and Bernie (if it wasn’t rigged).
[Bernie is not a natural politician at all]
American Gentile Whites are often as repugnant as their Jewish rivals, now their masters. America’s double dose of obnoxiousness — and you include them with the low IQ primitives in the mix — yeah, keep saying otherwise how great America is!!!
All you do is condescend to your cognitive betters. I’ve never seen you say a single intelligent thing. It’s all scizophrenic nonsense.
Deal With Dyslexia – I’m ok with Willie’s comments. No need to start being a nightclub bouncer on these threads.
No seriously, Dyslexia, I don’t find his comments condescending at all. I think you’re projecting again.
Trump IS a crypto Jew you fucking fucktard.
at least I don’t come to an HBD blog and blame Zion for Black r-selectivity.
Philosturbator
you’re the condescending asshole not Willie.
Willie is a crypto-commenter.
Speaking bout that poleteeks stuff is tough ass nigga shit.
Needs to stick to the colouring books and #Oscarsowhite #BLM #Dontmakemlivenearblacksallmylife #myracehasnocivilisationalhistory #Africasfirstandlastroadswerebuilt120yearsago #BLstillM tweets.
Where are you from, Philburt?
Proles don’t care about Jews, Trump is not going to be pressured from that front.
Trump will not take any initiative on his own because of his EGIs.
Willie gets it. Proles worship Israel. It’s Muslims they hate.
Say Willie.
Have you ever read about European history?
Did you know the royalty used to intermarry across the continent. Hard to believe it, but wars still happened between Euro nations and the women were used as a means to an end at various points in time for bargaining and wartime alliances.
You can’t get to the top of Wall Street, Real Estate and Media in America (or arguably law and academia too) without being, working for or marrying a jew increasingly.
Trump handed off his daughters to stick around New York real estate.
Unlike other races who are brainwashed into casting away tribalism. Jews stick together to wipe out competition and run cartels.
Now, this is not to say Trump is against jews per se, but Zionist jews who want neverending war on Israel’s enemies list and insane in the membrane social engineering and repopulation of America.
This year the latest star wars had a UN ex white people good guy vs white guy motif. The jewish writers explicitly stated in public it was a lesson for white children to annhilate themselves and move over for the Jew, sorry yo soy coolie/moo moo lims/ veemin/magic negroes and Sasquatches.
FIGURES>>>THEY JUST DOGONE DON UNDERSTAND THE RULES OF DIPLOMACY.
He didnt just hand off his daughters. All his grand kids are half Jewish. His entire empire will be owned by Jews within a generation.
Errr uhhh ahhhh eeee
When was the last time you ever voted for a politicians the completely represented your interests?
Trump is there to do a job on the border, stop dopey ((((O___0)))) people wars, and destroy political correctness/brainwashing in his world watched press conferences.
Trump is not going to get 4% GDP growth. He is not going to raise wages. Economically and environmentally Trump will be a DISASTER.
But those are worthy trades to stop the dysgenics of Zion’s schemes.
The great problem as JS keeps alluding to is that America is dysgenic under Zion – it promotes Magic Negro well beyond legal or cultural norms, sexualises children, promotes alternative mental illness lifestyles and is moving to embrace paedophilia. Zion does this in America, not in Israel. To many people that should be a clue about why Israel is the most hated nation in the world.
Pumpkin can’t use his finger abacus to count how many sons, wives and shareholders Trumpy has.
Trump was already at the top.
I suppose you could argue he was paving the way so his children and grandchildren would could be more accepted by the elite, it’s probable I must admit.
BUT now that all that is done, isn’t it advantageous for Jews to succeed?
He was a reluctant investor but he now own a share of Jews Inc.
This is the bottom line.
A long time ago…in the mists of pre Martin Magic Negro trojan horse, upwardly mobile jews had to marry off daughters to whites, do white jerkoff work and have their wealth confiscated.
Now you know why Jews really really hated it and vowed to do the same to gentiles when a guy that plagiarised his theology degree started whipping up high empathy dumb dumbs like Deal With Dyslexia into giving away the furniture in a garage sale.
trump is a top BUTT…
real estate development is the most leveraged business there is…
credit ratings can be a self-fulfilling prophecy…
so peepee will post my comments as long as i pretend to be a fag.
more entertaining.
but i don’t remember my gay email…i remembered.
I always assumed anyne who called themselves “The Philosopher” is probably dreadfully pseudo-intellectual….
In all seriousness I really don’t know how to explain Philo’s willful denial of the glaringly obvious…Trump will do nothing against Jews.
ALL of his grandkids are at least 1/4 Jew. Even though he is not Jewish, his people are. It’s EGIs 101.
Fans of Trump really haven’t shed brainwashing *that much*….they’re indifferent to Jews.
He’s not especially dumb, I was being facetious. I suppose what is at work here is that it takes a bit of misguided thought to deny the obvious.
“My B”, Philburt.
Trump is a fascist who will reinstate the Jew quota and throw the NYT staff into the gas chamber.
His grandkids will be the Jews paid to shovel them into the oven.
It is highly amusing that someone will come to an HBD blog and suddenly DENY HBD when it doesn’t suit them.
I.E. Trump’s Jewish family.
Trump’s Jewish family + Proles indifferent to Jews= Nothing changing on that front.
Trump only cares about winners and losers. He has no anti-Semitic animus. This is obvious to all non-schizophrenics.
Too low a level of abstraction.
What were those marriages designed to do?
1. Have Kingdoms NOT go to war because people don’t want to war against their kin.
Wars emerged because of SHARED CLAIMS TO THE THRONE….
no such factor exists in the U.S. in 2016.
Nice try.
sorry posted that in the wrong place. I was obviously referring to the European history comment.
Willy look over your shoulder. Its THE POINT.
You missed it by this much baby.
Kings married off daughters to cement alliances against other royalty in various wars or animosities not create world peace.
And noblemen, married off their daughters to ascend to the King’s circle.
Much is to be written. But the ‘Jewish’ children and Kushner played a vital vital role in keeping Trump in the game in real estate and now in politics.
Trump is not going to declare war on Israel – I never said that. Trump is playing 3d chess. Zion never declared war on America either in case you haven’t noticed. They redefined America to mean a value abstraction and promptly then, and only then, started attacking the concrete America – its whites.
You also overlook Kushner’s children will have white EGIs now.
I’m out. Happy New Year to all but Philosturbator.
Let’s hope his new year’s resolution is to 1) take his meds and 2) stop being an asshole
the schizo may have insight.
which is odd…in a way…because SCZ is characterized by lack of insight.
what a few (if any) schizos may see (which few sane people can) is…
what chomsky saw in his lecture in norway…
the “object” is a delusion.
what do i mean?
i mean that the schizo may see that the world, the human word, makes sense at a level above that of the individual consciousness.
that is the social world is very un-like the physical world.
history and hierarchy make sense at the level of a supra-individual consciousness.
…the human world…
It never dawns on people that politics is fought mainly on 2 axes – genetics and economics. Not left/right per se.
The Dembles raised a new idol – mammon – to worship and fell back on the SJW stuff to retain legitimacy with the left base. After all, minorities are so poor, giving them symbolic victory Oscars instead of money works, or they are a small part of the population to give money to. The cucked dem whites have to nod their head in compliance or face Rac-ism doggy drool triggering.
The repubs did the opposite and raised Magic Negro Idol to make their fraud and leaching tolerable to the public whilst dutifully doing the cheap labour caucus a favour and replacing Joe Sixpack with Yo Soy minimum wagey and sending Joe’s son to fight for Israel in a desert.
Here’s the funniest bit (if you don’t find the above funny).
If you both declare war on white people, none of the economics stuff matters…and in this case Hillary was pushing more of the same cucknomics lite anyway to push the needle.
So Trump, a billionaire asshole, alone on the repub field pushed genetics.He won simply by breaking the biggest mind control taboo in America – dar rac’ism. Hahaha! Alpha male. And of course, pushing that normally means your career and business are destroyed.
The actors/politicians are so potty trained they were afraid or simply were bribed/blackmailed not to talk about genetics. But Trumpy used common sense politics. You don’t need to be a rocket scientist to see the polling on immigration…but Trump’s genius was to see that there was a political path surfing on a rocket. BALLS OF STEEL.
So Trump is the real outsider. He doesn’t offer economics to the people, but he offers genetics which is always going to sell well. What’s the point in being 5% richer but losing your community to Abdul Naseem and co.
Our autistic neoliberal ella Ayn Randos ‘I have no chin, don’t hurt me’ friends can’t see that people do care about their communities, which are a proxy of genetic reproduction. Which matters far far far more than tax credits.
Ergo, if one it to campaign as a populist, I believe genetic interest will win in the current climate and I daresay, Le Pen going ‘full fash’ would presage the collapse of the European non-European Union with the World Project.
In this manner we can say, the Dembles would rather run George Bush than Bernie Sanders.
And the republicans would rather run Hillary Clinton than Donald Trump if they could go back to early 2015.
This Consensus of The 400/Zion/Military Industrial Complex had to be smashed or at least fractured into different coalitions.
This is why its 3d chess. because Trump has to offer The 400, or elements of them, the MIC something more to gain while turning them against Zion’s genetic voodoo. Trump doesn’t hate jews by any means. But he does hate those jews that want to bring in 50 millions hispanics, muslims, asians etc.
i’ve convinced “deal with it” that i’m a fag.
i said i would.
maybe i have.
the power of my cock!
not the biggest.
length = high average
girth = superior
shape and coloration = PERFECTION!
the BEST!
the PERFECT COCK!
especially when i wake up in the middle of the night.
MY GOD…
WHAT
A
COCK!
length = high average
girth = superior
You’re using Wechsler jargon
not so fast…
i should have said…
shape and “coloration” = GENIUS! or GIFTED!
if it’s much longer than 7″ she can’t rub her clit on your pubic bone.
and how many women can get off by fucking alone? a lot less than 1/3d.
there is a perfect cock.
i have it!
I would hazard that the Democrat Party might start its collapse next year for the following reasons:
1. Internet means dem followers will figure out the Dembles are literally paid to lose and be a phony opposition to the 400.
2. The SJW stuff is losing steam and Trump will win over blue collar whites more and more. The internet also throws sunlight on our soft psychopath neighbours.
3. Warren, Elison and Bernie seem to have been cowed into the Consensus meaning no evolution meaning death.
4. No leaders. No bench. Cuck Schumer is a Republican who believes in abortion and Hilary is the most hated pol in America.
5. Any attempt to go left on eco will be met with civil war. Any attempt to go right on genetics will mean executions strategically.
So like a frog in a boiling pot of water. It will just sit there. Dems haven’t had this little share of national and state gov since the mid 1800s after Reconstruction. Amazing stat.
The Federalist and Whig parties died. Parties do die.
opposition to the 400.
i assume you mean a small but un-defeatable force.
soft psychopath neighbours.
i have no idea what you mean by that.
Any attempt to go left on eco will be met with civil war. Any attempt to go right on genetics will mean executions strategically.
i have no idea what you mean by “eco” or “executions”.
please paraphrase. i’d like to understand…
it’s not that hard to type something, google translate it to portuguese, translate it back.
black dykes are the hardest to turn, because straight black women are only attracted to black men…and black men prefer non-black women.
it’s a minority (black men who prefer black women) pursuing a minority (black dykes).
anyway…
it doesn’t matter…
i have the PERFECT COCK.
the ONLY modern artist i like…the ONLY artist i like…he was a HUGE fag…
let’s do it!
he was a genius!
here’s his not very big white cock.
here’s my boyfriend:
here’s the deal!…
1. i post a photo, a color photo, it will obviously be a photo…of my GRE on “tinypic.com” with the message “my cock is perfect and peepee knows it!”
2. “deal with it!” will post a photo of her LSAT with the message…”ZANU-PF forever!” or some other such “comment” which identifies her taunter…me!
tick, tick, tick…
this will happen by jan 2, midnight PST!
but you may not post it.
No.
I don’t care what some gay gay in Portland thinks of my intelligence.
that’s nice fake injun.
dear God!
how did peepee ever make it through hr?
It’s quite fascinating to know that the Université de Montréal has a few English Speaking programs for an exclusively French Speaking University. And these programs are almost all STEM related.
https://admission.umontreal.ca/en/graduate-programs/also-suitable-for-students-not-fluent-in-French
I can only infer one thing from this: STEM programs are not perceived as prole in the French Speaking world and Liberal Arts fluff degrees granted in the Anglophone institutions are in fact prole.
The Anglophone scholarship in the Humanities are a glut of intellectual circle jerk, which is why they are cheapened. The same reason why sub-par French Baguettes sold in New York City are cobbled up by people who don’t even know where Paris is on the map.
And for the anti-semites here — the good news is that Jews are not well received outside of the Anglo Prole Sphere. No one outside of the “English Only” nations have much regards for them, let alone like them.
Université de Montréal has a few English Speaking programs…And these programs are almost all STEM related…STEM programs are not perceived as prole…
wtf?
it’s not even appearing…
Mort de rire!
GOOD ON YA FAKE HAITIAN…VACATION!
it was Nietzsche who said…
when monotheism arose…it became true…because…
all the other gods died from laughter…laughing at the very idea of one god.
pp is censoring afro.
very sad!
LOL. He’s on vacation in the U.S.
funny he never said that peepee.
so…
afro = peepee.
willie = peepee.
phil = peepee.
deal = peepee.
AND THEN THERE WAS ONE…
SO FUCKING SAD…
Happy New Year
Pumpkin I have a serious question
Why do you think Mugabe is so messed up?
Born that way. Just the way his brain is wired. That’s why he hates HBDers, psychologists and behavioral genetics so much. He would prefer to think his problems are socio-cultural and not intrinsic to him.
I feel bad for the guy but you gotta admit he’s an interesting “case”.
In fact, truth be told, that’s why I joined the blog. I found Mugabe interesting. He’s obviously smart but he’s just so damn weird… Wasted potential.
In fact, truth be told, that’s why I joined the blog.
I know. And you’re one of the few reasons I let him stay.
this blog is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNY!
Our culture and civilisation has been so degraded and diminished. Our art now is laughable. Our movies exist to brainwash. Our media is corrupt. Out politicians puppet for the ruling elite who now had the mud they have imported to replace their costly workers. We are enemies in our own lands.
The marauder can never be one of us. He acknowledges this in his dreams and when the blade is held to his throat. In the heat of a riot. In the crimson danger of a prison. Or the booming beat of the nightclub, we see human beings are primarily tribal. Thankfully this shows that a global government under Zion is impossible.
But who will be the champion to break the embargo on the truth? Who will restore the West from the rampaging huns?
Trump, Le Pen, Farage, etc may win elections, but elections are not that important.
Human history is progressed intellectually. Who will give divine revelation to the masses on Human Biodieadversity. Who will save us from the huns?
Harry Potter.
For what it’s worth, I think everyone might be a bit hard on PP.
PP used to practice more restraint, but something is changing. I merely wish he’d admit being wrong or at least be open to being wrong once in a while. Other than that, it’s a great blog and very informative. Of course, I could be wrong :p
Yes, I feel that Pumpkin has gotten quite aggressive in his tone as well. Maybe Robert is getting to him.
I think a 125 spatial IQ is unrealistically high. Sure, it took some scientists a long time to presumably teach themselves how to make those tools, likely as a rather part time and medium priority endeavor; meanwhile, neanderthals dedicated their lives to making these tools, and probably learned from one another. At the same time, scientists are likely capable of solving spatially demanding problems in, say, geometry and organic chemistry.
I think a 125 spatial IQ is unrealistically high.
Yeah, I regret that estimate. A professor recently emailed me to say that casts of Neanderthal skulls showed they had less developed parietal lobes, suggesting less spatial ability