I recently posted evidence that in the U.S., the average black can out-bench press the average white, and that blacks dominate elite body building. Despite this evidence, many readers insist that whites are stronger than blacks because of their muscle fibres and because no black has ever won the World’s strongest man competition.
However I recently stumbled upon an article from the May 7, 1984 issue of Jet magazine which claims that from 1938-1953, a black named John Henry Davis was known as the World’s Strongest Man.
According to The Complete Encyclopedia of African American History (page 717), in 1948:
The first black heavyweight lifting champion in the Olympics was John Davis, of Brooklyn. He had thoroughly established himself in the field in 1941 when he set a record of 1,005 pounds for three lifts. Davis was Olympic champion again in 1952. Once called “the world’s strongest man,” he was the first weightlifter known to hoist 400 pounds over his head, a feat he accomplished in the 1951 National AAU senior championship in Los Angeles.
Pumpkin Person 
and every last other medalist has been caucasoid.
duh!
no ne asian has ever won the heavyweight category to 1968 or the super heavyweight from 1972 – present.
and bodybuilders are weaklings compared to weightlifters and powerlifters. usually 33% weaker.
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And Russians dominate chess, so by your brain dead logic, they must be the World’s smartest people
You are correct.
Love it, it’s too bad there’s people out there that want to put this shitty race on a pedestal, sorry history isn’t run by the welfare department start contributing if you want recognition for your part
Blacks excel in other sports.
https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2017/12/12/why-do-blacks-dominate-bodybuilding/
https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2017/12/31/explaining-african-running-success-through-a-systems-view/
https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2017/09/20/why-do-jamaicans-kenyans-and-ethiopians-dominate-running-competitions/
Somatypic and physiological differences are why they don’t excel in strength competition.
https://pumpkinperson.com/2017/12/24/race-and-strength-on-the-big-four-lifts-by-race-realist/
a white guy won the gold medal in the 1956 100 m,
therefore white people are faster.
this is peepee logic.
she’s a black lady…cain’t he’p it.
No moron, my logic is a study found the average black is stronger & the variance is similar:
http://digitalcommons.wku.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1604&context=ijes
Thus they should be stronger at the extremes
PP would you say that’s a representative sample? The authors themselves say it’s the only longitudinal study in the literature on that. From what I saw they didn’t ask critical questions such as general lifestyle, nutrition ND whether or not they went to the gym and exercised. Those are all critical factors that could have skewed the results.
As I’ve said from my ten year experience lifting and three years in the business, Caucasoids and East Asians are consistently stronger than blacks.
If they’re stronger at the extremes (which I don’t like the study yoy linked to but I’ll play along), why are there no black powerlifters that consistently win competitions? Why no black strongest men?
And my thesis holds because the only black country that’s even placed is Kenya! Type I muscle (slow twitch) fibers.
Im too busy to check his numbers. Can you post his numbers for his total pp? Like bench, snatch and deadlift?
I agree with you. One person doesn’t disprove anything, PP should know that.
I know a black person with an IQ of 130. Therefore blacks are smarter than Whites.
Same thing.
james bradford was also black, and Mario Martinez looked to be a mestizo.
plains indians and polynesians may be stronger, but there are so few of them it may be none even try.
has there ever been any evidence that plains indians are especially strong? I have always had the impression that they are rather mediocre when it comes to raw strengths, though quite fierce when equipped with weapons.
Also do there still exist pure-blooded plains Indians in the USA?
Did you consider that there might be an environmental explanation to the strength data for av US male?
For instance, what if black males were more absorbed in a culture that glorified a ripped male body (like, I don’t know, say, rap culture) and hence more of them worked out – would that skew the data – why yes it would… I don’t know the answer but it is probably a theory that you could find some data on.
A lot of who is good at what olympic sport comes down to communities of practice and technique, Bounce by Mathew Syed makes a really good read on UK table tennis in this respect. So who prospers at what sport is not necessarily down to genetics but also down to what sport is popular around them and has the infrastructure to allow competition at an elite level.
“glorified a ripped male body”
Black men are less likely to be obese. Since black men and women are in the same environment, the difference is due considerably to genetic factors.
https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2016/06/12/black-american-men-with-more-african-ancestry-less-likely-to-be-obese/
“A lot of who is good at what olympic sport comes down to communities of practice and technique, Bounce by Mathew Syed makes a really good read on UK table tennis in this respect. So who prospers at what sport is not necessarily down to genetics but also down to what sport is popular around them and has the infrastructure to allow competition at an elite level.”
Plz.
Those with an inclination for the sport are more likely to do it because they’re good at it. Of course practice plays a factor but someone who’s not genetically gifted, even with all the training they want will never be better than someone who’s genetically inclined to do well in the sport, along with more practice.
The theory you bring up is bad. I’ll look for data later.
That’s basically what I was thinking. There is obviously an outside selection pressure that caused blacks to become stronger. They weren’t just naturally like that.
I think one commenter suggested slavery might even be the cause.
“Those with an inclination for the sport are more likely to do it because they’re good at it. ”
I get what you’re saying and I agree to an extent but let’s say there are two scientists: a chemist and a physicist Does the chemist have a genetic inclination to chemistry? Of course not They’re both scientists and they both use incredibly similar methodologies! One just found a bigger interest in chemicals over atoms. He is intelligent but what he does with that intelligence is subjective. IQ is g so yes someone with a high g is going to be talented but what they use with that talent has more to do with non shared environment than actual genetics.
I still need more evidence that 250 years of selection caused “blacks to be stronger than Whites”. It’s unfounded.
Whatever the case may be with your example, they’re natural sciences. I do agree with you. Though they’re both smart as fuck and with the right motivation and mix of good personality traits they will be successful in whatever they choose.
Its speculation, but a lot of hbd is speculation. What exactly are you suggesting then? Are allen and bergman wrong? The majority of anatomical evidence supports them, pumpkin just has this one random study that contradicts this. This evidence is modern though and specific to america so honestly this just seems far fetched.
Thats my point though people with higher iqs have higher general abilities and i belive you have wrongly strawmanned mine and xanadan’s views. Considering the enviromental conditions of blacks it makes sense That they would excel in bodybuilding (offered in literally some of the shittiest schools for free) and basketball (literally available in almost every park in a city). These conditions are not present in africa and certainly wasnt in prehistoric africa.
“Its speculation, but a lot of hbd is speculation. What exactly are you suggesting then? Are allen and bergman wrong? The majority of anatomical evidence supports them, pumpkin just has this one random study that contradicts this. This evidence is modern though and specific to america so honestly this just seems far fetched.”
Correct. I’m not suggesting anything. I’d just like more data is all. See, the speculations made by HBDers have evidence behind it. Which random study? The bench press one? Or the height study? Is nutrition taken into account with Bergman’s and Allen’s rule? I never said Allen or Bergman were wrong.
I watch international powerlifting comps. I keep up with international and American bodybuilding. These are genetic freaks of nature, the best in the world who also go past their genetic limit due to the use of enhancement drugs such as test, tren, clen and other strength/cutting agents. These are the elite at what they do. Caucasians and East Asians are the best in the world at these competitions. The WSM is on Saturday and I’m making a post in response to these two articles. by PP on Friday in anticipation for the WSM and I will update the article when it’s done with the results (Brian Shaw is going to win).
“Thats my point though people with higher iqs have higher general abilities and i belive you have wrongly strawmanned mine and xanadan’s views. Considering the enviromental conditions of blacks it makes sense That they would excel in bodybuilding (offered in literally some of the shittiest schools for free) and basketball (literally available in almost every park in a city). These conditions are not present in africa and certainly wasnt in prehistoric africa.”
Bodybuilding is offered in shitty schools (code word for shitty kids)? Source? Blacks have the athleticism for the NFL and NBA. Whites can’t compete because…. surprise…. muscle fibers! A ton of this goes back to muscle fibers. I know I sound like a broken record but I cannot stress this enough. The fact that the only African country to place in the WSM is Kenya, a population with slow twitch fibers, proves my point for me.
There are more black bodybuilders because they have a lower fat-free body on average. When you think about how Africans evolved then think about the sports they’re good at, this makes sense. Even more sense when you take into account muscle fiber differences.
So since you’re saying that an environmental effect (poverty) has more of an effect on who’s good at sports in America, how’s the elite West Virginian white basketball team doing?
Wait….
“Which random study? The bench press one? Or the height study? Is nutrition taken into account with Bergman’s and Allen’s rule? I never said Allen or Bergman were wrong.”
The bench press one, whites being taller validates bergmans’s claim. I didn’t say you claimed anything i was just trying to assess your standing more fluently.
Schools with shitty kids and shit funding. I don’t have a source this is anecdotal, i figured it was obvious. I’ve been to multiple schools. I went to one that was number 2 in the entire state(i think in test scores) I noticed the blacks acted more “white” and saying “nigga” was frowned upon, this school had weight training classes. A few years later i went to a alternative education school, it was an elementary school with half of the building separated for kids who were too violent for regular school. i noticed a stark difference, they had trouble with some of the most simple problems i would do homework for some of the black dudes and receive weed in return. this school even had weight lifting classes every morning i would eat breakfast and then weight train with a room full of minorities. Those aren’t the only schools I’ve been to. i’ve been to about 5 or 6 and they ALL had weight rooms.
“Whites can’t compete because…. surprise…. muscle fibers! A ton of this goes back to muscle fibers. I know I sound like a broken record but I cannot stress this enough.”
It’s cool you don’t have to preach i completely agree.
“There are more black bodybuilders because they have a lower fat-free body on average.”
I think im faling to understand this logic here. not saying I disagree but, just because the have an advantage doesn’t mean they take advanatge. i believe in a civilized society blacks are better for muscle growth, I think evolutionarly being lanky and tall is a benefit in africa.
“So since you’re saying that an environmental effect (poverty) has more of an effect on who’s good at sports in America, how’s the elite West Virginian white basketball team doing?”
I didn’t say it had more of an effect. but your example further demonstrates my point,, there are still elite white basketball players even though blacks are genetically superior for the sport. Those whites have unfair advantage.
“The bench press one, whites being taller validates bergmans’s claim. I didn’t say you claimed anything i was just trying to assess your standing more fluently”
Yes. It’s an anomaly and the authors say as much in the paper that it was the only study of its kind. I gravitate towards somatype tbh. Blacks are more mesomorphic on average, empirically confirmed. Whites and East Asians are slightly shorter. Colder conditions means shorter limbs as there is less surface area to keep warm.
“I think im faling to understand this logic here. not saying I disagree but, just because the have an advantage doesn’t mean they take advanatge. i believe in a civilized society blacks are better for muscle growth, I think evolutionarly being lanky and tall is a benefit in africa”
But those with more of a natural genetic advantage will be more inclined to hop into something they’d excel in. Someone with garbage genes won’t beat someone with better genes bodybuilding, powerlifting or anything like that. The same goes for all sports. Being tall and lanky is better in Africa as you’re able to be faster (which is where the lower fat free mass comes into play along with less food). This is why blacks with more African ancestry in America are less likely to be obese. Since black men and women share the same environment then some of this variation has to be due to genetic factors.
“I didn’t say it had more of an effect. but your example further demonstrates my point,, there are still elite white basketball players even though blacks are genetically superior for the sport. Those whites have unfair advantage.”
Doesn’t really mean anything. I’m going to make a post on race and basketball eventually. Just because some whites can be elite doesn’t mean anything as I’m sure you know. Poverty, blacks more likely to be in poverty, genetics and IQ, genetics and sports, etc.
Muh schools and monies.
http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-298.html
“But those with more of a natural genetic advantage will be more inclined to hop into something they’d excel in. Someone with garbage genes won’t beat someone with better genes bodybuilding, powerlifting or anything like that. The same goes for all sports. Being tall and lanky is better in Africa as you’re able to be faster (which is where the lower fat free mass comes into play along with less food).”
I wasn’t discounting that. I was just saying that Africans having less body fat isn’t necessarily for muscle growth.
PP that wasn’t good evidence settle bench press study. It wasn’t representative as far as I can tell and that is the only study in the literature.
I’ll reply in depth later.
Also PP, Mark Henry is a better example. Genetic freak of nature. World record total in squat, bench and deadlift.
http://www.powerliftingwatch.com/records/raw/world
He was a squatting 600 pounds as a freshman.
As a teenager he had the 8th best total regardless of age group.
http://articles.latimes.com/1990-04-23/sports/sp-343_1_lifting-records
I usually hate Wikipedia but it has great information on him. From his wiki article:
“To this day, his five lift total is still the greatest in history by a fair amount—making him arguably one of the strongest men that ever lived[1][39][29][40] and stamp him, according to lifting statistician Herb Glossbrenner, as history’s greatest lifter.[22][37]”
He’d a genetic freak of nature. He’s way stronger than the guy you cited. Mark Henry is one of the strongest people too ever live. He is a freak of nature. I can’t emphasize that enough.
He won the first ever Arnold Classic strongman competition in 2002.
Seems there are different measures or types of muscular force what we are talking here in specific way.
Bodybuilding is one of them.
Generally poor people are more prone to engage in sports activities than middle or upper classes to live/professional.
Seems many red haired Caucasian men have bigger bodies and are less resistent to pain like black mem/people??
There are also that Indian fakirs who have greater pain-resistance.
Well I’m not knowledgeable about this subject (in the true I’m not knowledgeable about most of subjects 😂
Defne strongest
“define strongest”
Higher total in squat, bench, deadlift, snatch and clean. Powerlifting and strongman. That’s strong.
And Caucasians do considerably better than blacks and the cause is genetics.
Strong is the same than resistant?
Blacks tend to have domnant/agressive personalities but less psychological resilience
East Asians tend to have the antonym patterns lower in agrewsiveness/domination higher in psychological resilience
Strong as in physical strength
Correct observations. But muscle fiber typing, as I’ve said 6 million times, is the cause of the differences as well as limb length and a few other factors.
Yew I know that you already saw a billion times about the type of fible muscles.
At least among African descendents in western hemisphere avg black and mulatto men seems to be “naturally” muscular than euros and east Asians. Seems similar trends happen among Slavic men.
Is pretty common to note poor black young men with muscles even without any great intensive training. Most of them just play soccer/football and even in early age, after 11,12 year old many to most of them develop quickly/naturally a more athletic body than other types of mixed race, whites and east Asians.
Just take mote that strong also can mean resistance.
And there are a varied ways to measure it but yes you are talking about “literal/physical strong”.
Try to see it just like spped measurements/types
Muscular does not equal strong. They look more muscular due to average lower body fat.
Yes I’m talking about literally strength when compared to people.
Today sports are very popular and attracl people of all social classes but in the past some sports would attrack more poor and black people.
https://majorityrights.com/uploads/hillard.jpg?r=1469985926
This guy is the strongest man in the whole fucking world you basterd and he is not a fucking negro he is an egyptian !
The author of the blog is a negro !
Nice photoshop.
hahahahahaha
PP’s admiration for Askhenazim and blacks has gone wrong:
http://nypost.com/2016/08/09/hasidic-hate-crime-attackers-trying-to-finagle-better-plea-deal/
This goes to show you how high IQ Jews can manipulate the American Justice System to their favor, despite beating up this black guy.
Spooky article
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Here you go PP, more info on muscle fiber typing.
https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2016/08/25/muscle-fiber-typing-and-race-redux/
Good to see you’re doing more research