Using LSAC demographic data from the library of Congress, Alan R. Lockwood deduced that Barack Obama scored about 43 out of 48 on the LSAT in 1987-88.
I recently came across a paper that looked at all the LSAT scores of all the black and white applicants of law school from around this time and it showed what percentage of applicants above each level were black (see Figure 1 below).
Now in 1990, there were 30 million black Americans and about 200 million white Americans. Thus blacks were 13% of the combined population of both races, however from looking at figure 1, we see blacks were 82% of those with LSAT scores of 13 or lower yet only 0.8 of those with LSAT scores of 46 or higher . So it seems the higher the score, the smaller the percentage of blacks.
Now those with LSAT scores of 26-29 are 13% black, exactly the percentage you’d have found in a random sample of whites and blacks. This tells me that people with LSAT scores in this range reflect a random sample of American IQ, so we can assign the mid-point of this range, 27.5, an IQ of 100 (U.S. norms).
The next question is what IQ do we assign to those with scores of 46+. On a scale where all Americans average IQ 100 with a standard deviation of 15, white Americans averaged about 102 with an SD of 14, and their black counterparts averaged about 89 with an SD of about 14 (see Figure 9 below). Given these statistics and given that whites outnumbered blacks about, 6.66 to one, an LSAT score of 46 would have to equal IQ 135 in order for blacks to be 0.8% of those with scores of 46+
So having assigned an LSAT score of 27.5 an IQ of 100 and a score of 46 an IQ of 135 (+2.33 SD), we can estimate that if a random sample of 22-year-old Americans had taken the LSAT (with sufficient test prep), instead of the law school bound elite, the mean would have been 27.5 and the SD would have been 7.9 which would make Obama’s approximate score of 43 equal to IQ 129 (U.S. norms).
The fact that 43 = IQ 129 is further validated by the fact that 43 was at the 95th percentile of LSAT takers and Mensa equates LSAT scores at the 95th percentile of the LSAT population with the 98th percentile of Americans on the whole which it in turn equates to IQ 130.
An IQ of 129 is further validated by a former “CIA” guy‘s claims that Chinese spies found Obama’s childhood IQ (as measured by the WISC) to have been 128 (somewhat lower when you adjust for old norms)
Pumpkin Person 
You did it by accident again but this analysis is mostly good. But the LSAT sample is not the same as the population at large (with test prep) lol. The fact that it worked out that blacks were the same proportion at this and that level is almost luck.
Notice the way LSAT can’t tell you what % of blacks are retarded because of the sample issue.
My guess is that the black IQ of 80 is actually an OVERESTIMATION.
The true black IQ is lower by another standard deviation which explains….black ‘achievements’ lol.
Notice the way LSAT can’t tell you what % of blacks are retarded because of the sample issue.
I already can calculate what percentage of blacks and whites are at a given IQ level. I’m using this info to find the opposite: what IQ level would give the observed ratio of blacks to whites in a given score range and then assigning that score range that IQ.
My guess is that the black IQ of 80 is actually an OVERESTIMATION.
The true black IQ is lower by another standard deviation which explains….black ‘achievements’ lol.
They achieve more than you
You did it by accident again but this analysis is mostly good.
Hilarious how you a theist conspiracy theorists who doesn’t believe in luck or accidents suddenly does just to deny me credit
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Self-regulation is influenced by early caregiving. This will effect executive functioning. EF has been shown to be a separate construct from IQ yet I would say that because (r) of IQ and income is 0.47 that the rest would largely be EF – and in black communities because of generational neglect where mothers have low positive affect this has increased the gap of low income blacks in executive function.
I wouldn’t say EF is a separate construct. All cognitive abilities are positively correlated
Dr. Jack Naglieri discusses the relationship between the concept of executive function and intelligence.
ADHD and Autism also cause EF.
Fucked me up a lot.
So, you think your IQ is higher than Obamas?
Do you think you’d be a good President?
EF is three operations:
inhibition
updatating
task switching
Together they are coordinating actions of intelligence. That being IQ is perceptual. Any item on the wais can be seen as an embedment in the brains recognition system. EF rather is a task. Two or three things that need to be done together.
EF combines the task item with a priority. The item itself is not the combination of what needs to be done.
A person with ADD can see the solution to wais items but in simple tasks not be able to put the items in the correct order in elaborated self instructions.
So by looking at the test the ADD person needs one instruction. ‘Tell us which answer is correct.’ This does not mean they will have the ability to organize thoughts and actions by themselves in real world circumstances which is the basis of executive functioning.
EF is time variable, get things where they need to be “organize”. The wais does not measure this.
If none of the subtests on the WAIS measure EF then that’s just an accident of history. Obviously no one IQ test can measure all of intelligence but there’s no clear line separating IQ tests from EF tests.
Yes, most people do have equal IQ to their EF – yet one can be larger thus separable to some degree. You need both and I believe this compounds the gap in income given (r) is 0.47
Organizing is something I am good at yet I have issues holding thoughts in my head. so example math. I can solve problems in front of me but give me a blank piece of paper I cannot come up with anything creative. Creativity is both a front brain and back brain endeavour.
It is my internal thoughts I am deficient in, externally I can get things done.
oprah is so HIDEOUSLY UGLY anyone who says she’s beautiful is a RACIST.
Shows her high IQ and adaptability that despite all the racists who think a real black woman is ugly, she still became America’s FIRST multi-billionaire black and the most worshiped woman on the planet, and now at age 70, she’s more radiant than ever
How would you quantify an absolute measure of fluid intelligence at IQ 140 since Oprah is one in 200?
Both in the perceptual recognition system and in EF – ?
I don’t understand the question
Fluid Intelligence is a number of things to be accounted for in solving problems.
What what would a person at an IQ of 140 be able to do. What problems are they capable of solving?
As in what would be an absolute standard for problems to the variables involved.
This standard would make use of what a person can both perceive and organize.
I believe IQ is a true ratio scale so someone with an IQ of 140 would solve problems 40% more efficiently than the common man
Oprah isnt 140 IQ. Thats the dumbest thing Ive ever heard.
An obese black woman born in a hut with no dad, 7 abortions, no academic history, no intellectual achievements, a job that require zero IQ, and got famous for being a magic negro.
Her IQ is closer to 80 to 140.
An obese black woman born in a hut with no dad,
Overcoming adversity shows MORE intelligence, not less
7 abortions,
ZERO abortions
no academic history,
Learned to read by age 3; doing long division by age 8, flying from kindergarten to second grade in only a few weeks
no intellectual achievements,
Creating a book club that dominated American literature for DECADES
and got famous for being a magic negro.
Lots of blacks have been given talk shows, but only Oprah could capture the magic.
a job that require zero IQ,
Actually it takes TONS of intelligence to host a successful talk show. Constantly thinking up all kinds of witty comments and goofy facial expressions to amuse people. Making split second decisions about what WOULD amuse people. Adapting in real time when a guest does something unexpected. Making sure each segment has a beginning, a middle and an end and is interesting all the way through. Very difficult to keep up the interest level and the humor day after day, week after week, month after month in the face of so much competition from Ashkenazi Jews and other talents.
Everyone thinks they can be the next Oprah.
Nobody can:
Shes basically like 99% of blacks. Great social intelligence. Zero academic intelligence. Mohammed Ali was also charming and charismatic. 76 IQ.
It takes a lot more than charisma to host talk show. There’s no evidence that ANY successful national talk show host in TV history had an IQ below 120.
Hillbillies & Crackers & Rednecks & Irish Tinklers,
as a White Trash sort, dear Philo, you are a victim of racism from Whites, as much as Oprah herself.
The only difference is instead of being overweighted, you’re inflicted with hygiene and mental problems.
Oprah could turn to be an aspirational revered figure for you, if you just wanted to try to help yourself out.
Pumpkin blog is good for you. As i am probably. Sending you some love.
Obama being IQ 130 then I’d say Oprah is five to ten IQ points more successful than him.
As a billionaire she has not lost her money like some would, in bad deals.
Top intellectuals regard Oprah as a kind of carnival barker or circus attraction. Jonathan Franzen was asked to come on her show and talk about his book and he scoffed at the idea.
Privately, most celebs and intellectuals have that thing Melo and RR have where they are over the moon a black person is well adjusted and doing well but deep down know shes a moron.
Franzen accepted the invitation to her book club but Oprah kicked him out when he expressed discomfort at the hardcover book cover being reprinted to show Oprah’s name which was scaring away his cherished male readership.
His exact comment was “she’s picked some good books, but she’s picked enough schmaltzy one-dimensional one that I cringe, even though I think she’s really smart and really fighting the good fight”
So even Franzen thought Oprah was really smart, which makes sense because to write fiction you probably need to be a good judge of character.
Most top intellectuals don’t care about Oprah and a lot of them might think her show was stupid, but none of them think she is, unless they’re autistic or schiz.
You just dont get it again. Low social IQ. Basically why would someone reject the endorsement of a very famous person??
Franzen knew that her endorsement would make him look silly to the intellectual class. Its like me writing a book and having kim kardashian endorse it. Hes implying everyone serious thinks shes a clown.
He was trying to be nice about it obviously doesnt want oprah bashing his book either or calling him racist, but his ACTIONS speak louder than words.
You just dont get it again. Low social IQ. Basically why would someone reject the endorsement of a very famous person??
Because his book was already a huge best seller with intellectual men & critics. Being seen as another Oprah anointed writer would risk that cred & he further feared her middle brow audience would not get the book and trash it, and he’d be left with no fans. And unlike most Oprah authors who are largely unknown before she picks them and thus are grateful for being picked, Franzen was already hot so resented Oprah cleverly appropriating his cachet while looking like a generous benefactor.
Franzen knew that her endorsement would make him look silly to the intellectual class. Its like me writing a book and having kim kardashian endorse it. Hes implying everyone serious thinks shes a clown.
True, but at the same time he knew she was a very smart BILLIONAIRE clown because he saw her book club for the clever scheme it really was and because he thinks you need to be very smart to love his book.
Why do you keep saying billionaire?
Kendall Jenner is ‘self made’. Kim Kardashian too. Michael Jordan. Dr Dre. Taylor Swift.
Youre so dumb you can’t make a common sense conclusion that how you made it is more indicative of intelligence rather than the actual stat of being a billionaire or not.
Kendall Jenner is ‘self made’. Kim Kardashian too. Michael Jordan. Dr Dre. Taylor Swift.
Those people only recently became or will become billionaires. Oprah did it over 20 years ago when it was ten times harder, especially for an overweight black looking black woman.
For years Oprah TOWERED as the ONLY black billionaire in America, and if you exclude one droppers , the ONLY black billionaire in the World. Now you tell me my sista, WHAT IS BETTER THAN THAT?
Youre so dumb you can’t make a common sense conclusion that how you made it is more indicative of intelligence rather than the actual stat of being a billionaire or not.
You’re so dumb you can’t tell that BOTH are indicative. You are correct that occupational status correlates more with IQ than money does, but billionaires from low status occupations are more intelligent than homeless people from high status occupations.
And Oprah has a high status occupation as evidenced by the fact that everyone from theoretical physicists to billionaire hedge funders to former U.S. Presidents all have their own podcast trying to be the next Oprah. In fact Oprah wannabes have become so ubiquitous that dictionaries have added the word “influencer” and virtually every woman and minority broadcaster under 50 was inspired to enter the field by Oprah. For decades she set the national agenda, telling us what to read, what to eat, how to raise our kids, who to vote for, or as Roger Ebert so brilliantly put it: “she was our first black President”
Puppy doesn’t seem to understand the concept of sampling. To get P, you would need a real big sample of blacks.
They have literally never tested most of the people in the ghetto because its too dangerous. They only test people that turn up to school which is basically the best of the best from the blacks. Most blacks think school is gay.
If they went in with mercs into the ghetto and forced the creatures there to do IQ tests, you would finally see a real sample.
Same with africa.
Well tests like the WAIS match their norming sample to the U.S. census, so if X percent of America are black high school dropouts, then X percent of the sample is black high school dropouts so I doubt the samples are too far off.
We both know WAIS dont test them.
Id also say the black population is under reported because many of them dont answer the census. Maybe 20% underrreported.
Logically that’s possible but all your theories are unfalsifiable and thus unscientific. Just like you think there a billionaires hiding from Forbes and UFOs hiding from astronomers and now millions of low IQ black people hiding from the census and the WAIS. LOL
Though in fairness, before both Rushton & Jensen died, they speculated that the true black American IQ might be 7 points lower than officially reported because of a hidden underclass. Of course whites also have a hidden underclass (you’re part of it), though perhaps not big enough to matter
Im correct about all that. They’re not ‘theories’. They’re FACTS. The forbes sample is tiny of the super rich. The evidence of UFOs is quite big. The ‘hidden’ underclass is in the millions. If its just the homeless at least 1m people.
HAHAHAHA! You’re so gullible an autistic fake whistle-blower convinced you that in an amazing coincidence, humanoids evolved on another planet, traveled all the way here, yet were too dumb to land their space crafts so crashed into the White House and the government is holding their dead bodies in a jar. LOL!
As for Forbes being wrong, how did all these Americans become richer than Elon Musk without anyone noticing they started valuable companies or owned valuable assets? How many Americans do you think have more money than Musk? Are some of them aliens too? Am I secretly richer than Musk and don’t know it? Haven’t checked my weight watchers stock since I bought several hundred shares for 77 cents each.
You’re a joke
Not Elon but plenty of others belong on the list that aren’t there. <b>[redacted by pp, 2024-08-31]</b>
No list of the 400 richest Americans is ever going to be 100% accurate so I don’t understand your autistic obsession with pointing this out. There’s no way to prove precisely how rich anyone is unless you asked them to liquidate all their assets and the mere act of selling them, changes their value. The fact that they’re right about Elon being #1 and about Jews being freakishly overrepresented and blacks being freakishly underrepresented tells me they’re pretty close.
Interesting methodology.
How do we know cornerbacks are more athletic than wide receivers in American football?
Because none of them are white! (with NFL combine data as some circumstantial evidence 😉)
I don’t think there’s reason to believe that the smartest Blacks very disproportionately sit/don’t sit the LSAT relative to smart Whites, but it would give a false impression of the IQ assigned to each score using this method. The ratio is affected by things other than sheer cognitive ability. It’s about interest in that field and opportunity.
Are all the best tall male athletes playing in the NBA? Pretty much. The incentives are insane.
Are all the best tall female athletes playing in the WNBA? Not at all. It’s not lucrative enough. Plenty of them play volleyball or nothing at all.
It could be that the “interest in law as a career” and IQ correlation is significantly moderated by race, but I doubt it.
Teffec, you are indeed correct, these race ratios must be interpreted with great caution. For example I read in THE BELL CURVE that in 1993, among blacks and whites with LSAT scores of 170+ out of 180, blacks were only 0.27%. Dear God the LSAT must have a ceiling in the stratosphere I thought! Note that the scale changed from 10-48 to 120 -180 in 1992.
But then I read in my other source, that circa 2003, they were 1.5%. Why such a huge increase in just ten years?
Well it turns out the THE BELL CURVE was referring to REGISTERED law students with 170+, not every LSAT taker with 170+. So there were obviously a lot of blacks who scored 170+ but presumably lacked the grades or money to get into any law school, even with affirmative action. Maybe they were arrested?
But if I had normed the LSAT using registered law students instead of all LSAT takers, the results would have been very different. Lucky I noticed that before posting my research but there may still be confounds I haven’t caught because my results lead to the LSAT’s ceiling and Obama’s IQ being lower than many think.
Isn’t there an actual term for when you really really want a black person to do well despite how dysfunctional and stupid they are? Whats it called?
There’s a term for when you want a black to be dumb despite how brilliant and successful they are: RACISM
Nice one, PP.
thanks
I sometimes get the feeling the religious people here don’t get how bad the situation is in majority black places? Has Melo or RR ever actually walked through the ghetto at night? Have they seen black behave in school as kids?
We had 1 black kid in a school of 1000 boys here in Ireland. The black kid was from that loophole we had 20 years ago of biorthright citizenship where literally heavily pregnant african women would give birth in the airport to get the passport.
Anyway, the kid was sanctioned for masturbating repeatedly in the toilet.
And you wonder why Africa has the GDP of a garbage dump in Alaska.
Kamala got asked if shed put a republican in her cabinet and she said yes.
Basically shes been told to put neocons in the cabinet lol.
If she ever got elected, Kamala might literally have a 50% jewish cabinet with a token black here and there.
You’d definitely get a neocon in as ‘national security’ (of Israel) adviser or some bullshit like that.
I think Biden put Elliot Abrams in his government lol.
When you see appointments like that, its clear who the real president is and always will be.
Elliott Abrams – Wikipedia
This guy is literally a jewish supremacist masquerading as a ‘conservative’ and ‘american’ hahaha. Hes been around for 40 years.
GW Bush to his credit, refused to pardon Abrams despite being asked to by Cheney iirc. Cheney was PISSED and this destroyed their friendship. LOL
The funniest thing in history is if Ben Shapiro endorsed Kamala if Kamala suggested invading Iran. I would burst out laughing at that.
Kissinger wasn’t a neocon believe it or not. KIssinger served Rockefeller faithfully.
Charting IQ to income bracket starting at $1,000 a year for a homeless person (IQ 80) there would be an increase of a factor of 10 every ten IQ points with a perfect correlation. So a true IQ of 140 would make a billion a year with no confounding variables involved. (Spending excluded)
I don’t follow your logic. Even with a perfect correlation between IQ and money, there are not anywhere enough billion dollar incomes to pay all the people with 140+ IQs. Also, even with a perfect correlation between IQ and money, the income gap between the workers and owners would be artificially large because the latter profits off work he doesn’t do which would not have been the case in the natural world (Hunter/Gatherers)
IQ is on an ordinal scale since it’s a rank-order.
But it’s all based on the childhood age ratio formula: Chronological age/mental age. An actual developmental scale with a true zero point
If we put an IQ of 80 at 80% efficient at solving problems and an IQ of 140 at 140% then that means a difference of 60 IQ points is a difference of 6 orders of magnitude in income on a perfect scale.
I am not saying all persons at 140 make this amount but that their capability to solve economic problems is 4 orders of magnitude above IQ 100 So a 10% increase in problem solving (10 IQ points) = 1 order of magnitude in potential income relative to other IQ ranges.
“Isn’t there an actual term for when you really really want a black person to do well despite how dysfunctional and stupid they are? Whats it called?”
There are plenty. For example:
Mindful, Cognizant or Considerate.
Idiot. Heres the answer: Mind controlled.
Does anyone know the ceiling (in terms of IQ) for the 36 question raven’s advanced progressive matrices timed at 40 minutes?
Unban the comments please.
I’ll unban a bit later when I have time to reply
I recently lived in West Texas and moved to East Texas and, Je-sus, there is massive brain-drain in both areas. All the talent is going to the center of the state. Even just driving around lets you know there’s lots of mental-deficients on the road with you. Nothing is efficient, very low maintenance, poor job prospects, drugs, and lots of genetic disorders for some reason.
What do you do with places like this? Leave? All the human capital is gone anyway, mine as well.
I was thinking about trying to estimate the average IQ of these areas with high school test scores, both state test pass rates and the SAT/ACT. I think it can be done.
Your low IQ Texas town reminds me of Texas Chainsaw Massacre prequel, where the slaughter house boss says “you and your family are the only ones stupid enough to still be living in this town” Texas Chainsaw movies were decades ahead of their time in predicting MAGA:
Unban the comment about a black person winning a nobel
when i have time to respond
You never responded.
not yet
For that CNN interview Harris was given all the questions in advance and literally rehearsed every answer to a mirror or a consultant. And even then she sucked ass.
All the dems had to do was nominate anyone BUT Kamala and they would win by a landslide.
He asked – you keep changing your opinions, is that true?
“I have always been really solid on the climate crisis”.
??
Who wrote that? Thats just a weird answer. Trump calls her dumb but actually shes crazy. Theres a difference.
Yes it’s possible Harris was given the answers but it’s also possible she wasn’t. But you always just assume the more conspiratorial possibility is true and assert it as fact.
You lack the insight to know when you don’t know. This is how you ended up getting fooled by that autistic fake whistle blower.
Maybe CNN will endorse forcibly removing all the palestinians and putting them into a cargo ship container?
They seem to be really really intent on not talking about Gaza now because it looks bad for them.
Melo and RR have also been instructed by the higher ups to stop talking about Gaza and pretend its hunky dorey out there.
I pretty sure im one of the good guys.
And melo, puppy, RR and Bruno serve the dark side.
Very sad.
Oprah served weinstein and puppy is still in denial about this. All melo and RRs heroes serve jews too. Bruno’s hero Macron doesn’t serve jews per se, but the gentile aristocracy. Realistically theyre not much better than people like Weinstein or Bankman Fried. Less psychopathic true, but still greedy and venal.
There’s ZERO evidence that Oprah or the Obamas served Weinstein, and even if they did, the conspiracy theory is that Oprah served him actresses and the Obama’s served him their daughter (lol); nothing to do with serving Israel’s interests. On the contrary Oprah brilliantly elected Obama who stopped war with Iran.
But your God Trump was a total slave to Israel, ripping up the Iran nuclear, deal moving the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem, killing an Iranian general so that Israel didn’t have to get their hands dirty, letting a zionist impregnate his most beautiful daughter, and then convert her and her kids to zionism and then take Trump’s inheritance and give it to Israel. Trump even threatened to deport anyone who condemns the slaughter in Gaza and uses “Palestinian” as a slur against all the moral Jews who don’t support the slaughter. He then gives Oprah’s prestigious Medal of Freedom to sheldon’s Adelson’s wife and says it’s more impressive than the medal of honor because she got it while being a beautiful woman not a solder who got his legs blown off.
No one in the history has served his Zionist masters more than Trump. He’s the ultimate Uncle Gentile. And what has he gotten in return? Less than 50% of the Jewish vote and Bibi declaring Biden the winner in 2020 because they see him as their useful idiot and they don’t respect that.
Melo has been here 7 years and not actually typed the word ‘palestinian’ once. Crazy. Its verboten I guess.