Last night I couldn’t sleep again so I once again placed my Ipad by my bed and went looking for some conspiracy theory podcast to listen to. Nothing better then turning off all the lights and listening to paranoid people talk. In this particular interview, these podcast hosts I’ve never heard of were talking to some self-proclaimed CIA guy I never heard of who was making all these bizare claims about the Obama administration, and how he’s now free to talk because he’s moved to Canada.
I started to fall asleep, and then when I woke up, imagine my surprise when about 22 minutes into the podcast, the self-proclaimed CIA guy is claiming that when Obama was a child, he took the WISC (Wechsler Intelligence Scale for Children) and obtained an IQ of 128. Now the WISC was originally normed in 1947.5 and published in 1949. In 1972, it was substantially revised and renormed, and published as the WISC-R. It was revised and renormed again in 1989 (WISC-III) and there’ve been a couple versions since then (WISC-IV and WISC V).
Let’s say Obama took the test in 1971 when he was 10. Then his IQ of 128 needs to be reduced to 121 because IQ test norms become obsolete at a rate of about 0.3 points a year, thanks to the Flynn effect, which was not acknowledged in those days. On the other hand if he took the WISC-R the year it was released (1974), his IQ would only need to be reduced to 127.
But is this story even true? In all the years I’ve seen bloggers and their readers obsess about President Obama’s IQ, no one has ever mentioned this stat. The self-proclaimed CIA guy claims to have got it from the Chinese. The Chinese government has been known to spy on America, and they are more open to the idea of IQ and HBD than Americans. Given that there is a lot of racism in Asia, they might have been intrigued by the fact that America had a black president and perhaps they were curious to see if he was dumb enough to take advantage of, and went snooping through his childhood records.
On the other hand, this “CIA guy” might just be making stuff up to get attention. A lot of the other claims he makes (Obama was born in Kenya, Obama’s dad is Frank Marshall Davis) sound so silly, that it’s hard to believe anything he has to say. But then I fell asleep again and missed most of the interview.
Pumpkin Person 
and?
sounds pretty good.
especially if he had a very high v score…obama is a lawyer and politician…not a scientist.
and especially good if you’re the sort who thinks black folk…or half black folk…are all stupid.
obama is in the 99th percentile of “cognitive ability”…
whatever that means…to you…
clinton was smarter…
but tricky dick nixon made them both look like retards…
retards.
135 is the 99th percentile, not 121-127, unless you mean Obama was in the 99th percentile in verbal or for blacks
LOTB argued Obama was IQ 150 based on the fact that he graduated magna at Harvard Law, however I think he (1) overestimated the correlation between IQ and grades, and (2) overestimated the IQs at Harvard Law
Of course I don’t know if this “CIA guy” is right either. He could be a compulsive liar
obviously fucktard.
BUT!
99th percentile on the wisc is only one 99th percentile.
obama also sat the lsat and according to sailer he scored very high…
given the test is selective obama likely scored in the 99th percentile…easily.
but just listen to obama…in interviews…
he’s very very smart…but not that smart.
he’s no tricky dick.
On the LSAT Sailer noted that he was either in the 94-98 percentile or below the 63rd percentile
https://pumpkinperson.com/2015/01/08/the-iq-of-president-obama/
Given that mostly smart people take the LSAT, an IQ equivalent of 135-141 or below 120 is implied
His SAT scores are unknown.
I find he speaks very well, but also very slowly.
seriosuly…
listen to interviews with obama, clinton, nixon, or anyone else.
if you’re as smart as you think you are you can “get your head around”…everyone…
except dick nixon…
the guy was fucking impressive.
he was the real deal.
so to speak.
nixon was like langan.
even if what he said was stupid…
there’s just the impression…
the very strong impression…
that you’re in the presence of a great mind.
and my whole family are blue dog democrats, but all of them say that nixon is the smartest president in their life-time, clinton second.
The smartest person I’ve ever known said there’s no evidence that ANY president of the 20th century had an IQ above 150. Perhaps he was wrong. Nixon tested at 143, but that was likely at or near the ceiling of the test.
i meant my whole family is yellow dog democrats…https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_dog_Democrat
too much wine.
as usual.
my parents don’t think much of lincoln.
Nixon might have been 150, making him the smartest president of the 20th century. I doubt he was the smartest of all time though, but it’s possible.
interestingly nixon was a quaker.
iirc the quakers and the unitarians are the only american religious group which outscores the jews on the SAT.
a quaker member of congress beat watson.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/rep-rush-holt-beats-watson-in-jeopardy-challenge/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rush_D._Holt,_Jr.
This topic has been absolutely done to death. Still fascinating tho😁 i wouldn’t trust Cia guy.
It has been done to death, but this is new information. Or misinformation.
Obama seems to me to be very self aware and poised. He gets his ability to come up with witty remarks about any subject from being aware of what he should say intuitively. He is on many popular Hollywood talk shows. I would think that intuition or getting answers from within the subconscious requires awareness of it. But I think that language is one way to be intuitive. Visually you would be aware of how others behave which is not just geometrical but also impressions. A flow of events. I just took a micro nap and am listing to music and I can Saccade faster. The ability to saccade into the subconscious is how language emerges. As I was sleeping I was also talking to myself in the second person sort of like how you can replay music in your head, this was a self talk like replaying music. The voice was commenting on hidden thoughts like a mini dream state. This could be called a form of meditation because it makes you require less sleep. Dreams empty the hippocampus of its contents into the neocortex. By allowing myself to direct the urge to sleep into my prefrontal cortex as the second person I was able to rem sleep without going into delta. I felt so tiered but instead of wondering into it unfocused I looked inward at my thalamus as where the feeling came from. But really it was the top middle of my head where I let my tiredness reside. I think that by maintaining this focus when becoming tired allows me to rem sleep enough for me to increase my saccade speed. Normally when you speak saccades drift because you are trying to find things in your mind and also I suppose that that is where working memory comes from, as a multiple of references from the center of awareness. Once you find the center you can add more to it. Music in my headphones makes the music 3D. The problem with awareness is that when you do not split attention from the center this lowers performance. If you are aware of your center then your attention can split into multiple directions at the same time. This also make it easier to control emotions such as tiredness into rem sleep. I think that your split in attention from the center would be detectable in your speech. I think it is a sign of a strong ego.
In my e-mail to you PP I have a link to a video I made that is 30 minutes long of me talking about how I think the brain works. It would be nice to know what you think of it as I am much better at talking to other people than I am talking to myself. But sometimes I pause allot, sometimes I cannot find the right word or metaphor to use. When I took the Wais 4 the last 20 minutes I felt like fainting and could not complete some of the questions. You seemed excited about my scores. Do they have any mathematical significance? I assume that my scores form unique relationships as to factorization?
Bill Clinton does seem to be more intelligent to me than Obama because of how he talks. Obama is more charming and less gregarious as Bill is. I have not seen any videos of Nixon speaking.
btw – I do think some agencies simulate society as it is to detect threats. I like conspiracy stuff also. Last summer JadeHelm made people think such things as an A.I. police state. (A.I. is artificial intelligence). Just google JadeHelm and A.I. videos. I find it interesting as Facebook predicts that I am 155. I do understand how A.I. works. I have ideas about how they calculated that number. The score should be lower if they did not adjust the score for the possibility of where I do not read everything I click on.
Wait- how was Obama’s father Frank Marshall Davis AND Obama was born in Kenya? Wasn’t Frank Marshall Davis an African-American? Was this a conspiracy from birth or something 🙂
It also seems interesting that he put it in a range that would satisfy/intrigue people with varying estimates. One commentator says 116 ( http://voxday.blogspot.com/2008/09/barack-obamas-iq-is-116_18.html ) and admirers like Pumpkin Person say around 140. The 120s is between them, although according to Pumpkin’s Analysis of what it is now(Flynn effect,re-centering) it is indeed closer to 116.
He’s just pleasing/intriguing everyone, because of that, it seems like a ploy for attention, and good attention, like he is some moderate, reasonable intellect.
Neither the born in Kenya or the Frank father theory make much sense, but they really make no sense when you put them both together.
I think they’re trying to say that she went Kenya to find a fake father for the baby she was about to have, to cover up the fact that the real rather was Frank? And yet they also claim a conspiracy to make it look like he was born in the U.S.
It also seems interesting that he put it in a range that would satisfy/intrigue people with varying estimates. One commentator says 116 ( http://voxday.blogspot.com/2008/09/barack-obamas-iq-is-116_18.html ) and admirers like Pumpkin Person say around 140. The 120s is between them, although according to Pumpkin’s Analysis of what it is now(Flynn effect,re-centering) it is indeed closer to 116.
Actually the 128 figure (maybe 121 after adjusting for old norms) is the most believable part of the whole anecdote. If we assume Obama had an IQ close to 140 on the LSAT (50 points above the average mulatto IQ of say 90), and if we assume the LSAT and Wechsler correlate 0.7 (at the most), then we’d expect a mulatto who scored 50 points above the mulatto mean on LSAT IQ to score 50(0.7) above the mulatto mean on the Wechsler:
50(0.7) + 90 = 125
But why would Obama have taken the WISC? It’s a very expensive individually administered test that is usually only given to kids suspected of learning disabilities, mental retardation, or of giftedness. I’ve never heard of Obama being in special education or a gifted class, though perhaps the fancy private school he attended gave the WISC to see if kids are eligible, or maybe some teacher thought he had more potential than his grades implied, and requested an in-depth screening.
But if I had to bet, I would say “CIA guy” made it up.
I see. What about head size as an indicator? He definitely shows evidence of a skull attributed to black ancestry see the picture here; http://www.theroot.com/articles/politics/2009/07/why_obama_did_not_should_not_apologize_to_officer_crowley.html
Your photo here does show him to have a small head even from the front, relative to his cabinet members, with those two factors combined, his brain size is probably not very big.
By “your photo here” I mean the Bin Laden raid photo here; https://pumpkinperson.com/2015/01/08/the-iq-of-president-obama/
OOPS.
My first comment links to a photo where he has a protruding skull. Why does that not show up in African-Americans, even really black ones like Gullah Clarence Thomas? I grew up in county which I believe is blacker than the U.S. as a whole, and have known one kid to have a protruding skull like that. I also would frequently visit Baltimore, a very black city and noticed known one like that. I am inclined to believe it is environmental since it is only seen in those who have recent ancestry to Africa, no matter how much (Clarence Thomas, basically 100% Black, doesn’t have it, Obama 50% Black, does)…Seems to me to be environmental.
“no one ” not “known one” for my last comment. I get ahead of myself sometimes 🙂
The more comments, the better. Right?
I don’t want to go all conspiracy theory on you, but I think the Bin Laden photo might have been doctored to show the public he was highly involved in the mission. His head in that photo looked so ridiculously small, it’s hard to believe it’s legit.
The amount of tightening on his hat in the photo below suggests his head is a bit above the male average:
but could it not be that he has a protruding head (in the back)?
You say blacks (on average) have smaller CCs, but are the heads the same shape?
I say in Black Africans, NO, but it seems to either be highly reccesive (does not appear in African Americans who are slightly mixed) or disappeared quickly in the relatively cooler climate of the Americans (more surface area needed in hot Africa).
I really had to dig for this picture;
look at the man here; https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/world/2015/11/20/ebola-cases-family-members-confirmed-liberia/KSZ2bNyn1FbPoyINa9IgYK/story.html His head juts out in the back and he has a prominent jaw, it seems to be for more surface area. Looking at it from the side, his brain would not look like this; https://www.epilepsy.org.au/about-epilepsy/understanding-epilepsy/human-brain-seizures it would be more flat.
I know you are into psychology, but does this make any sense?
Bottom line: Why don’t we seen any Black Americans that have a head like the man in the picture.
or Obama’s…
All I know is blacks (at least those of West African descent) have proportionately longer heads, while whites and East Asians have wider, higher, and more spherical heads, but Obama’s hat size will be equally large,regardless of whether his head protrudes in the front or back
Also there might be head shape differences between East Africans like Obama and West Africans like most black Americans.
And plenty of white heads protrude at the back too
Iq is my life
If it’s high, go out and do something with it, humanity needs you!
dolichocephalic vs brachycephalic. there are blacks with both types and europeans with both types. buit almost all blacks are of the long headed sort.
this tendency in one direction or another is measured with the cepahilc index.
in general western and southern europeans, south asians, north africans, and middle eastern peoples have long heads and eastern europeans, chinese, and native americans have broad heads.
Many years ago there was a pair of psychologists that were disgusted with Rushton and did a huge paper arguing that not only was craniometry pseudoscience, but even if it were true, blacks have bigger heads than whites (the exact opposite of what Rushton claimed)
In other words, they accused of Rushton of doing pseudoscience within pseudoscience. I thought it was hilarious.
Rushton had to explain to them that blacks do not have bigger heads, they just have longer heads, but even this fact should not be over-interpreted. In most studies, black heads are smaller in all dimensions, Rushton claimed.
Honestly, I used to be in the camp of Rushton’s opponents, until they did MRI studies, and showed that the brains were smaller (although the part associated with language was larger in blacks)….I’ll see if I can find the link…
So it doesn’t effect brain shape?
According to Rushton, spherical crania have more volume, so heads became more spherical over evolutionary time.
I see. I guess the brain would just fit perfectly into a skull. It makes a lot of sense.
Thanks, this clears up a lot. I’ve gradually came around to HBD over recent months.
Now, to be relevant in the modern world, to see if Trump is right or full of sh*t we need to do investigations on the Biology of Amerindians and Arabs 🙂
Trump appeals to whites who want an all-white society. That’s not necessarily an HBD issue, as there are races that are smarter and less violent than whites, but that doesn’t mean Trump voters would want then in America either.
Obama may have been bad for working class whites in terms of immigration, but he’s been good for them in terms of keeping them out of wars in the middle east that don’t serve American interests. And yet Trump bashes the Iran nuclear deal. Maybe it’s just Trump’s way of sucking up to the media and playing up his superior deal making skills
I just don’t see how if we are taking people from the lower end of the spectrum for Amerindian IQs, is good for us.
Obama has been f*cking golden on foreign policy, I do agree.
Trump is generally absolutely terrible. His audiences have very low standards of behavior (even compared to the disproportionately non-white democrats).
A lot of Trump’s points come from Ann Coulter’s book; “Adios America” in which she references ‘culture’ as opposed to race and consistently looks negatively upon Euro-Spanish and East Asian culture.
My objection is that “white” is relative to these people, the Irish were not considered white.
The last time we had this insane hysteria/xenophobia, Hitler did a great disservice to humanity by killing members of the smartest ethnicity; Ashkenazim Jews. We can’t let it happen again.
My brother told me that a teacher of his(he is in High School), who happens to be a first-generation Italian Immigrant was told ‘her people’ “just don’t get it” by a student. She was a Math teacher, and the subject of Mexicans probably just came up because she does trig problem scenarios about Caribbean Sea cruises.
She is olive skinned, she must not be white, just like that “cuban wetb*ck shill, Ted Cruz” and “w0p Rick Santorum” (taken from the Daily Stormer).
This follows my Grandmother, (Blonde Hair, Green eyes) who is Half Basque Half Euro-Spanish was talking to some guy while waiting in line for Pictures to develop, he brought up how terrible Obama was, and she said she ‘respected the President’ he went nuts and said she was a Muslim, of all things.
He’s scary for many whites, hell, anyone who isn’t a White Anglo Saxon Protestant.
My brother and I know an Italian lady who got cursed at recently ‘her people’ “just don’t get it”…. “Then they came for her.” as that Quote goes.
My grandmother who is a white immigrant (has an accent) defended Obama to some guy she was waiting in line next to (he brought it up) and was told ‘she must be a Muslim’
Few want to talk about or acknowledge the fact that most Americans have Nordicist values, Italians, Jews, Greeks are not safe under Trump.
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I know Italians/ Whites with accents who have been harassed by Trump supporters, one in my family.
Americans have Nordicist values, nobody wants to admit it. This is not a bunch of rational headed HBDer, these are hysterical, don’t care about shedding my people’s blood nut cases who are going to wreck this country into the ground.
Non-Nordics are not safe under Trump. Fiorina and Ted Cruz have been told they are ‘not worthy’ by commenters because of there med ancestry. I for one am scared and am trying to get out of this country.
Was this Madison Grant’s work?
@Pumpkin – If you’d like a PDF proof copy of my book The Genius Famine, due to be published tomorrow, then e-mail me at brucedotcharltonatoutlookdotcom.
You certainly won’t agree with all of it (nobody will!) – but it is quite reader-friendly (thanks to co-author Ed Dutton) and you’ll probably find something to enjoy.
Bruce
Bruce, great to hear from you!
Sounds great. I may not agree with it right now, but given how often I change my mind, I could easily do so later. And if it’s anything like your blog, there’s always something of value to be learned and it’s always interesting.
And reader friendliness is a plus. Sadly, the internet has turned so many of us into lazy readers, or maybe it’s dysgenics.
You might like this: reading level of all the presidents’ state of the union.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/interactive/2013/feb/12/state-of-the-union-reading-level
Of course, the medium of communication has changed, but I think it represents a good rough estimate of the decline in ability of the marginal voter (the voter who decides elections).