7 out of 10
So I saw this movie a couple weeks ago and Halloween Eve is the right time to write about it. The film takes place four years after the events of Halloween (2018) and Halloween Kills (2021) which were direct sequels to Carpenter’s original Halloween (1978) and took place on the same night. All the other Halloween films have been ignored.
The film begins with the familiar trope of a babysitter and a kid alone on Halloween but in an unusual twist, for the first time the babysitter is a guy. That was my first clue this would be the most unpredictable Halloween film I’ve seen in a while. They are watching John Carpenter’s 1982 remake of The Thing on TV, just like in the original Halloween, babysitters watched the original 1951 version. I wont ruin the movie by telling you what happens next except to warn you that this is not your typical Halloween film and fans who are expecting one are often very disappointed…
The film then jumps ahead to October 2022, and Jamie Lee Curtis is back in familiar role as Laurie Strode except it now appears that the people in the town hate her, especially the black ones. LOL! Because Laurie spent 40 years warning the town that Michael was the boogeyman and would return to kill again, they somehow blame her for his killing spree. One black lady accuses her of “taunting a man with brain damage!”
Speaking of brain damage, I’m so fascinated by Myers’s IQ. In the original sequels he was Laurie Strode’s secret brother but since that brilliant idea has been rebooted out of existence, he loses the genetic IQ boost of having such a smart sister. Thus he is simply a 65-year-old white guy with zero years of schooling (since he was locked up from age 6 to 61, escaping for a couple days at 21).
Census data reports one in a 1000 U.S. whites in this age group have zero education, which means the median education is one in 2000 level. If there were a perfect correlation between IQ and education, he’d be 50 points below the white mean, but since the correlation (controlled for age) is 0.7, his expected IQ is 0.7(50) = 35 points below the white mean, or 65 (white norms) or 68 (U.S. norms).
Educable (mild) Retardation.
If that prediction is true it would be illegal to execute him in 30 states, though not in Illinois where the Halloween films take place. And what test could he have taken? He hasn’t spoken a word in nearly 60 years so verbal tests are out of the question. He’s been catatonic for most of those 60 years so performance tests would be hard to. You could give him the Raven Progressive Matrices but that probably requires too much motivation and understanding of rows and columns which unschooled folks don’t have. The recent culture reduced test I made would be perfect. He need only point to form simple concepts.
Many Halloween fans would strongly disagree with me that he is dumb, citing the fact that he could drive a car without lessons, disappear and kill many, but in my view, these savant like acts of animal cunning do not necessarily prove he had higher thought.
To quote his late Doctor, Sam Loomis:
I met him 15 years ago. I was told there was nothing left: no reason, no conscious, no understanding, in even the most rudimentary sense of life or death, good or evil, right or wrong…
Pumpkin Person 
I always liked Loomis. Without a doubt my favorite character from the franchise.
yes, Donald Pleasence was the true star of the franchise & it hasn’t been the same since he died. I especially enjoyed him in his old age. RIP
my biggest weakness is probably my working memory. i cant really think about many concepts at once and try to implement them into a coherent thought although i dont struggle with working memory as much when employing it but rather when i have to comprehend something.
i dont see the world except through a narrow lens. i dont necessarily focus on many things at once but zone into the one vital or relevant piece of information i can hold onto for a long period of time.
thats just who i am.
Pumpkin my most recent comment here was not posted was it because it was off-topic?
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So, did you watch The Thing?
I almost watched it last night. Maybe next weekend
Just do it! You won’t regret it.
I hate to agree with this guy, but it’s my favorite horror film.
Never feel like you have to pay full attention to a film in order to enjoy it. Sometimes it’s OK to multitask! You can skim big headed wide-angle lens Oprah pics at the same time, I know I will.
not paying full attention is a waste of a good movie
Melo, have you considered playing SMT: Strange Journey?
Ill check it out in the morning and get back to you!
On a scale of 1-10 how good is it? Isn’t Persona related to those games? I beat Xenoblade 3 a few weeks ago and it was amazing (play 1 and 2 before you play this). Now I’m playing South Park: The Stick of Truth and it’s surprisingly fun. Pretty tactical turn-based combat that’s based on timing attacking and defending against attacks, kind of like Super Mario RPG on SNES. DragonBall Xenoverse 2 is really good too, I’ve put a lot of time into that game.
Persona is more about people, SMT is more about ideas/ideology. SMT Nocturne is the best one as it tries, and almost does break out of the lock of the other games’ Law-Neutral-Chaos (+Light-Neutral-Dark) alignments but coming up with something new. But the ideas weren’t well developed enough so it failed to do what it was meant to do. Now the series is going around in circles, and SMT SJ is the best iteration of the tired old law-neutral-chaos type of SMT game, about as good as SMT1 in that regard, but mechanically much better (SJ was released in 2010 vs 1 in 1992). If you are fine with retreading over the same old thing that even the devs were getting bored with in the 1990s, then you could overlook that aspect of SJ and perhaps even conclude that it is better than Nocturne.
I can’t rate things properly on a scale, but IMO:
SMT Nocturne > SMT SJ > SMT1 > SMT2 = SMT4 >>> SMT4:Apocalypse. This rank ignored game mechanics, in which case SMT1 and SMT2 would be at the bottom. SMT4 seems to rank low for me but that’s not a bad thing, its still a good game in my eyes, just not as good as the others from a non-mechanical point of view.
Yeah, I’m probably going to play this. I absolutely loved the Persona games. However, I already have a lot of games that I’m supposed to be playing and haven’t had the opportunity to yet. I’m always busy.
SJ, Nocturne and SMT4 are good choices to get into SMT games. Would be much harder with SMT1 and SMT2 due to 1990s outdated UI. From a mechanical point of view, SMT SJ is a love letter to the old fans who liked the 1990s combat mechanics and it is made much easier to get into due to the better 2000s/2010 UI. In some ways it was even a test to see if fans were still around in the time when it had been several years after Nocturne was released.
This game belongs to a different series from Persona, so thematically it may seem odd at first if you are totally new to this type of an RPG.
Advice: save often.
this is what a real gangster looks like:
Kodak the realest of our generation.
Indeed.
^^ Both black cock worshippers.
Pill you are so obsessed with black cocks youre just projecting!
I liked the Simpsons parody of Death Note. It’s probably the best thing that show has come out with in approximately my lifetime.
Oh thanks for posting that, I saw a clip before but had no idea what the hell it was lol.
I guess Simpsons is like Family Guy where the actual episodes are mostly mediocre nowadays but you can occasionally see a clip that’s hilarious within its own context.
I didn’t realize they were still making Family Guy and I also didn’t realize how old it was. I thought it ran for a few years around 2010. Jesus
Family Guy is unironically redpilled. I don’t know how MacFarlane keeps getting away with it.
Simpsons started to suck around the time my balls dropped. It’s toothless now.
I’ve been watching some Family Guy recently. Some of the new ones are funny but the older ones are best. I think American Dad is damn funny but haven’t watched it in years.
Yeah I haven’t watched it in years. The first two seasons were both amazing (maybe slightly dated now). When it came back it was still good but not great, and steadily declined to being very, very hit-and-miss now.
The quality of Seth Macfarlane’s shows are decent given how wide he spreads himself (no homo) but still he definitely spreads himself too thin.
Well I kept saying its impossible to brainwash blacks and nobody believed me. Now the only public anti-semitism is coming from blacks.
“nobody believed me.”
Because it isn’t true, lol.
Why do you think so many blacks are religious? If anything, their anti-semitism is proof of their gullibility.
American blacks are overwhelmingly protestant, and American protestants are overwhelmingly philosemitic. Insofar as American blacks are antisemitic, it’s because (to their very great credit) they’re aware of the role played by Jews in the trans-Atlantic slave trade.
“Why do you think so many blacks are religious?”
The basic assumptions of Protestantism (esp. sola scriptura) are illogical and inconsistent with the historical understanding of the Church. Blacks are protestant because blacks are low-I.Q. and uneducated.
“Insofar as American blacks are antisemitic, it’s because (to their very great credit) they’re aware of the role played by Jews in the trans-Atlantic slave trade.”
You’re close. It’s more like Blacks just see Jews as white people (because they are), and since Jews are so prevalent in the industries that Blacks dominate and act as conduits to Black success, tensions and resentment can arise if blacks feel like they are being screwed over.
“low-I.Q. and uneducated.”
Same thing, but uneducated people are more gullible. Low-IQ whites tend to be religious too. At least where I’m from, all the whites act like Jesus is real. Regardless, my point stands.
“It’s more like Blacks just see Jews as white people (because they are), and since Jews are so prevalent in the industries that Blacks dominate and act as conduits to Black success, tensions and resentment can arise if blacks feel like they are being screwed over.”
Semites aren’t white, but Ashkenazim often have enough German or Polish admixture to appear white.
“Same thing, but uneducated people are more gullible.”
They’re definitely not the same thing or the correlation between income/wealth and I.Q. would be much stronger, but I think intelligence (even in adults) is more malleable than the hereditarians would have us believe.
“Low-IQ whites tend to be religious too. At least where I’m from, all the whites act like Jesus is real.”
Not all religions are equally silly. Islam, Protestantism, Mahayana Buddhism, and Lamaism are all laughably moronic. I can’t put Catholicism or Theravada Buddhism in the same category.
“Semites aren’t white”
No offense, but the only people I’ve ever encountered that don’t think Jews look white are anti-semites.
“They’re definitely not the same thing or the correlation between income/wealth and I.Q. would be much stronger”
I didn’t mention income or wealth. But education is necessarily a function of intelligence, among other things.
“Not all religions are equally silly”
I think they’re all equally silly. I think anyone who follows any organized religion is gullible.
How do Ashkenazi Jews not look white? Which traits make them look not white? And Neandercel, Ashkenazi have a lot of mtDNA from Italians.
“No offense, but the only people I’ve ever encountered that don’t think Jews look white are anti-semites.”
Semites aren’t white/Indo-European/Aryan. Levantine and European populations closely related, but distinct. There’s a definite Jewish ‘look’, and anyone who claims otherwise is pandering to the sensibilities of hypersensitive liberals.
“I didn’t mention income or wealth. But education is necessarily a function of intelligence, among other things.”
I know you didn’t, but income and level of formal education are very tightly coupled in the developed world.
“I think they’re all equally silly. I think anyone who follows any organized religion is gullible.”
You really think that Roman Catholicism and Islam are on the same level? The latter is based on a delusional conspiracy theory about early scriptural corruptions in the Christian church which we KNOW to be false (see every Christian and Essene document from the first three centuries AD). The Koran is bad fanfic written by a borderline-illiterate charlatan.
“How do Ashkenazi Jews not look white? Which traits make them look not white? And Neandercel, Ashkenazi have a lot of mtDNA from Italians.”
The bell-shaped nose is a fairly reliable indicator of Semitic ancestry. Levantine and Mediterranean populations are closely related, but I can reliably distinguish between Italian gentiles and Ashkenazi Jews.
Islam is a much superior religion to christianity and Catholicism in particular. Catholicism is a cult with rituals same with Islam but Islam stresses the importance of values and morals over other religions.
You’ll often see Ashkenazi with specific facial traits like:
-Somewhat beady eyes (Bill Maher)
-Very low and narrow forehead (David Schwimmer)
-Receding, short chin
-Straight eyebrows (Eugene Levy, Drake)
-Middle of face looks long because of small chin and small forehead (Think David Schwimmer)
-Large, dipping nose and that also portrudes
-Bell-shaped nose (never heard that term but it’s good Neandercel)
-Overbite
-Curly hair
-Dark around eyes, like many Middle-Easterners (Dave Attell, David Blaine)
Obviously many whites have a lot of these features and they have European heritage, but you’ll see them in higher levels/degrees in Ashkenazim. Based on my informal research…
“Catholicism is a cult with rituals same with Islam but Islam stresses the importance of values and morals over other religions.”
Islam doesn’t have rituals like praying five times a day and facing Mecca and fasting for Ramadan, etc.?
Christians don’t stress values and morals? Do we live in the same universe?
I don’t see how that licenses the claim that they are different races—they are both Caucasian. And the proper term is “Aquiline nose”, AKA the “Roman nose”
Sure we do its all relative though there are rituals in Islam not as much as Catholicism and values and morals are kind of shirked in the name of those rituals as well.
at least that is my perspective.
“There’s a definite Jewish ‘look’, and anyone who claims otherwise is pandering to the sensibilities of hypersensitive liberals.”
Lol, I have no doubt you believe that; I’m just saying the rest of America disagrees.
“but income and level of formal education are very tightly coupled in the developed world.”
I’m sure there is a positive correlation, but obviously, Elon musk didn’t spend 40 years in school.
“You really think that Roman Catholicism and Islam are on the same level?”
Yeah, religion to me is just a low-IQ attempt at coping with life’s lack of objective meaning.
>Do we live in the same universe
No.
we live in the same universe we all just have unique perspectives. mine are better than most.
“Sure we do its all relative though there are rituals in Islam not as much as Catholicism and values and morals are kind of shirked in the name of those rituals as well.
at least that is my perspective.”
Well maybe you are right about Catholicism since it is a Yuge (to use mugabe’s and Trump’s language) organization. But I thought you said it emphasizes morals more than Christianity or other religions.
“Lol, I have no doubt you believe that; I’m just saying the rest of America disagrees”
A lot of Americans especially those not from New York City or a similar area are basically under the idea that there is “white” and “Hispanic” and “black” and “Asian”, and don’t differentiate that much. But that doesn’t mean there isn’t a kind of clustering of facial features and other traits that Ashkenazim share… it wouldn’t make sense for them to be so separated from the rest of the European gene pool to develop certain neural structures and not develop/retain certain other features as well.
“And the proper term is “Aquiline nose”, AKA the “Roman nose””
I assume the stereotypical Jewish nose is not simply larger in that bone but overall more meaty.
“Catholicism is a cult with rituals same with Islam but Islam stresses the importance of values and morals over other religions.”
Values like slavery and the systematic degradation of women? No thanks.
Gloria Patri, et Filio, et Spiritui Sancto
“I don’t see how that licenses the claim that they are different races—they are both Caucasian. And the proper term is “Aquiline nose”, AKA the “Roman nose””
No, aquiline is not the proper adjective. The Latin nose is absolutely distinct from the Semitic nose. While both are longer, only the latter has the characteristic bell or hook.
“Lol, I have no doubt you believe that; I’m just saying the rest of America disagrees.”
And they’re wrong. What’s new? Americans are retarded calvinist mongrels.
“I’m sure there is a positive correlation, but obviously, Elon musk didn’t spend 40 years in school.”
Point taken.
“Yeah, religion to me is just a low-IQ attempt at coping with life’s lack of objective meaning.”
Religion is Man’s experience of his own finitude, contingency, and ‘fallen-ness’. This leads to the recognition that he cannot save himself, so he has no choice but to appeal to a higher power. You either have this experience, or you don’t. It’s not fundamentally a matter of belief, but of one’s mode of relating to the world and to oneself.
Oh, I neglected a point.
RR, have you ever seen a Jordanian, a Syrian, or a Lebanese? Jews are more closely related to those people than they are to Western Europeans, and this absolutely shows in their bell-shaped noses, dark complexions, and the well-known “Jew fro”.
Semites are not European, not white, not Indo-European, not Aryan. I said nothing about them being or not being ‘caucasoid’, which is a term I never use.
“And they’re wrong. ”
Well, they can’t be. Race isn’t really an objective concept.
When people say race is a social construct they mean it literally. People literally are transmogrified by the language and social environment they’re exposed to. This is why blacks are so obsessed with rap, and why ultra-orthodox Jews are insistent on teaching their children moral stories about how if one’s breath already stinks of garlic, he shouldn’t eat more of it. The moment the cultural chain is broken people slowly turn back into monkeys.
*for the autistic here, I’m 100% serious.
“Americans are retarded calvinist mongrels.”
Lol I find this more bigoted than anything LOADED, Mugabe or Philosopher has said.
People say that mixed race individuals are more mentally ill, and some people say the genetic pool is different which creates a more failed phenotype, but IMO the parents are probably just more prone to mental illness and pass it on, as miscegenation is usually practiced by those who have liberal views, and liberals are more open, intelligent, and prone to mental illness.
“When people say race is a social construct they mean it literally. … The moment the cultural chain is broken people slowly turn back into monkeys.”
If what people say about feral children is true, I suppose we would be animals without culture… but if social constructivist types believe that, then they miss that animals are also individually different based on genetics. Ironically they are being racist to animals and stereotyping them under one umbrella.
>but if social constructivist types believe that
If I were to not be facetious I would say they don’t mean much when they say things like “race is a social construct.” At best it’s implied to mean that the genetic differences between races isn’t significant enough for behavioral and intellectual differences to be caused by anything other than environmental factors, and that race is a tool used to create a false hierarchical system for the benefit of white people. Most of the time they don’t know what they’re actually saying.
I also messed up the joke, I meant if they cultural chain was broken then the linguistic minority would be consumed by the majority and lose their linguistic and therefore racial identity.
“I also messed up the joke, I meant if they cultural chain was broken then the linguistic minority would be consumed by the majority and lose their linguistic and therefore racial identity.”
Ah I get it now lol. Yeah that’s definitely an accurate description of the social contructionist worldview.
The fact that they don’t have a detailed understanding of intelligence or the acculturation process, or race, is a huge problem even if you believe everyone has equal potential. Because if you don’t know where culture comes from or how knowledge is gained to a detailed level, there’s no obvious reason you would be able to minimize environmental effects so that immigrants can acculturate.
You could drop an average baby into any country and it will grow up speaking that language, but what determines how he/she tends to use that language? Also the environment? And how does it get it’s own attitudes from the environment? What structure is it in a human that allows a deterministic learning relationship with the physical environment? And why are we to believe that structure has no physical basis and cannot be altered? Because if we are to accept completely immaterial and acausal explanations like that we might as well forget about acculturation in the first place, since acculturation is a material causal explanation.
white people don’t exist biscuit.
“Lol I find this more bigoted than anything LOADED, Mugabe or Philosopher has said.”
The majority of Americans are (at least nominally) Reformed Protestants (i.e. Calvinists). They’re also highly mixed (even if primarily Teutonic) and dumber than a bag of rocks. I stand by my characterization of them, which is not bigoted because it’s true (even if is contemptuous).
“Well, they can’t be. Race isn’t really an objective concept.”
Oh, okay. If we’re going to throw Biology out the window I’ve decided that I’m now a woman. I demand to be addressed henceforth as Neanderfemcel.
“If we’re going to throw Biology out the window I’ve decided that I’m now a woman.”
Race and sex aren’t the same things. Sure, you can ‘pick out real kinds in nature’ (As RR would put it) with these categories, but how you demarcate the categories is entirely subjective.
>white people don’t exist biscuit.
I don’t have a reason to sincerely believe that. We’re past the point where something as innocuous as biological sex is seen as having no necessary connection with our social understanding of gender. Even my use of gender is telling.
>there’s no obvious reason you would be able to minimize environmental effects so that immigrants can acculturate.
It’s intentional obfuscation. You’ve been arguing with Melo, someone with a professed ignorance of Christian (let alone religious) matters who still feels the need to belittle others for something he doesn’t even understand.
“The majority of Americans are (at least nominally) Reformed Protestants (i.e. Calvinists). They’re also highly mixed (even if primarily Teutonic) and dumber than a bag of rocks. I stand by my characterization of them, which is not bigoted because it’s true (even if is contemptuous).”
Dumb compared to what? I know the average IQ of the US is lower than Europe by a couple of points but I’m not sure if that’s due to the other racial makeup (Hispanics and blacks).
I’m 99 percent sure most Americans wouldn’t call themselves Calvinists (from my limited understanding which is that the belief that certain people will go to Heaven and it can’t be changed by works in life).
But either way I was joking about the bigoted thing. I just hate the Amerimutt meme, because I’m pretty sure I’m more intelligent than 99 percent of the people who post it.
“Sure, you can ‘pick out real kinds in nature’ (As RR would put it) with these categories”
Is RR a Thomist? I thought he was some kind of logical positivist.
Not all religions are equally silly. Islam, Protestantism, Mahayana Buddhism, and Lamaism are all laughably moronic. I can’t put Catholicism or Theravada Buddhism in the same category.
CORRECT but…
1. protestantism has become that way. it wasn’t always (that way)…like it is today. but obviously it contained the seed of its own destruction.
2. the shentong school of tibetan buddhism is congruent with advaita vedanta. the nyigma and kagyu schools follow this advaita version of buddhism.
3. sufism is sometimes very sophisticated.
but therevada is even worse.
advaita vedanta is the truth. the truth of indic religion. buddhism is an eccentricity.
a stupid eccentricity.
Hi Fred.
“1. protestantism has become that way. it wasn’t always (that way)…like it is today. but obviously it contained the seed of its own destruction.”
I agree. Luther and Calvin were both brilliant, but they were shaped by the very Catholic/scholastic/Aristotelian tradition against which they revolted. I think they (esp. Calvin) would be horrified by the anti-intellectualism of contemporary Protestantism.
“the shentong school of tibetan buddhism is congruent with advaita vedanta. the nyigma and kagyu schools follow this advaita version of buddhism.”
I’m far more sympathetic to Madhvacharya than I am to Adi Shankara or Ramanuja. The former’s extreme monism is incoherent.
“3. sufism is sometimes very sophisticated.”
Yes, that’s true, but I’m inclined to consider said sophistication to be literary rather than philosophical or theological.
“but therevada is even worse.
advaita vedanta is the truth. the truth of indic religion. buddhism is an eccentricity.
a stupid eccentricity.”
Theravada Buddhism’s biggest problem is the impossibility of reconciling an endless series of rebirths with anatta. It may be that in pre-sectarian Buddhism anatta was construed as an imperative (Think not of the self) rather than as a doctrine (There is no self).
In Theravada Buddhism, Nirvana is ultimate reality.[2] Nirvana is described in negative terms; it is unconstructed and unconditioned.[3] In some strands of Mahayana Buddhism, the Buddha-nature or the Dhammakaya is seen as ultimate reality.[4] Other strands of Buddhism reject the notion of ultimate reality, regarding any existent as empty (sunyata) of inherent existence (svabhava).[5]
Buddha-nature = brahman for a tiny subset of buddhists. the shentong subset.
“Well I kept saying its impossible to brainwash blacks and nobody believed me.”
I dunno, Pill. In my town, blacks were hysterically afraid of Covid. The women still mask up.
On the other hand, no other demographic was as hesitant to get the Soyence Serum. Nicki Minaj’s cousin knows a guy whose balls . . .
Reasons blacks can’t be brainwashed:
-Extreme confidence in any view because of hormones
-Inability to be educated because of low IQ
-More tribal
Reasons they can’t (because they already are):
-Confidence boosted by affirmative action and welfare
-Boosted by living in a culture with stuff and ideas they couldn’t created
-Boosted by liberal media
-Default to hating anything white because of grudge/media (won’t be brainwashed by whites)
blacks are so brainwashed its hilarious. youre just contradicting yourself. obviously blacks are brainwashed because they buy into materialism and other trending things. thats literally the only evidence you need for the argument.
I’m not contradicting myself I’m giving reasons they are not brainwashable and reasons they are.
Basically IQ makes you less brainwashable on average but at the tips you can be extremely sure of something and extremely dangerous. On average IQ makes people more reasonable but great power sometimes leads to great danger. (Like atomic physics leading to A-bombs and H-bombs)
So perhaps blacks are equally or more brainwashable but not in the way other groups are.
yeah being brainwashed is a spectrum and yes the things you become brainwashed about are dependent on who you are as an individual. i agree.
this is a good comment.
Washington Post is the voice of the deep state. If you want to know what jewish elites think, read that paper.
Are all the brown immigrants in the US like you guys? Black cock worshippers? Do they teach you in the media to worship it?
Dude youre just insecure about having a little white penis. Get over it.
Do you have a sister or mother Loaded? Are they taught to worship black cock as well?
No but [vulgarity redacted by pp, 2022-11-01] trained to take black cock.
“Muh dick” – Loaded, black intellectual
Fuck you butthurt little fag. Neander youre a fag everyone knows it.
Pretty much. Can’t believe people find any rapper intelligent, deep, “real”, or noble. Sure there’s good or intelligent rap but 99% of it is r-selected garbage and the rest just promotes brown people or random left-brain topics. There’s too much bragging, what super straight male wants to listen to another guy brag? Only other brown people because they feel somehow he is on their team. LOL. r-selected behavior.
Write a fucking melody.
Plus being “real” isn’t even a virtue. It just means you are autistically unable to keep what you think in your head or don’t fear the consequences. Telling the truth is good but it gets you killed. Or makes you suicidal because facing reality is too painful.
Building a good country would actually be noble.
Stfu lol. White people are the least likely to be looked up to be minorities and for good reason. They fucking exploited everyone and to this day still think that the only reason they did it was based on intelligence alone. Back then when colonization began the white intelligence was like 90 or 95 and maybe lower than some of the people they were conquering.
There is nothing noble in the white man either and you dont have enough Native American ancestry to tell me otherwise dipshit.
They are trained…I would say even brainwashed to follow blacks. They are the most decadent chaos inducing people on the planet. An old commenter Puppy banned Fenoopy called them “degenerate retards”. I think that is very apt.
Its no surprise the jews want young kids to act like that. Notice the way the jewish media never criticises rappers even though they demean women which is supposedly what they are supposed to be for. Snoop Dogg led a woman around on a leash to an award ceremony he went to…the jewish journalists ignored it. They are very intelligent the jews. We have to admit that. Howard Stern will then criticise people who criticise Snoop as “racist”….i.e. gg. Game over. You can’t win once they wheel out the ‘r’ word.
there are plenty of melodic rap songs. rap is all about having a lot of solipsism and interpreting all the rap to be about you or having the opposite of solipsism and being very open-minded and supporting the rapper in regards to not interpreting all the lyrics about yourself i suppose.
it is about being egotistical or not being egotistical but requires high openness to interpret the lyrics and understand them. theyre deeper than you think man.
“Write a fucking melody.”
LMAO, Lurker must be Ben Shapiro. You need to listen to more rap before making comments like this, man.
“Stfu lol. White people are the least likely to be looked up to be minorities and for good reason. They fucking exploited everyone and to this day still think that the only reason they did it was based on intelligence alone. Back then when colonization began the white intelligence was like 90 or 95 and maybe lower than some of the people they were conquering.”
Whites have produced the most intellectually by far.
“Exploited?” You’ve been watching too much Netflix and black media. Literally every fucking country exploits as much or more than whites ever did to this very day.
“There is nothing noble in the white man either and you dont have enough Native American ancestry to tell me otherwise dipshit.”
I judge people individually, and the cultures they produce, which are generally much better in white countries. I can tell you whatever I want because my ancestors (whatever color they are) have actually suffered for the US and been here way longer than an apparent midget parasite like you. My most native american family member is a Trump supporter, and he’s also the most intelligent one. Lol.
Also I don’t believe whites are all super noble and intelligent, I’m not romanticizing the past. But the fact is Western European descended culture is just generally better, with some East Asian cultures being close.
“Back then when colonization began the white intelligence was like 90 or 95 and maybe lower than some of the people they were conquering.”
Yes, I’m sure that the cannibal savages of the new world and the wheel-less Africans of the old were smarter than the people who (almost litrully) created the modern world from scratch.
“there are plenty of melodic rap songs. rap is all about having a lot of solipsism and interpreting all the rap to be about you or having the opposite of solipsism and being very open-minded and supporting the rapper in regards to not interpreting all the lyrics about yourself i suppose.”
Yes there are melodic rap songs but then that just means they are… pop songs. But apparently the difference is they big-up black people and r-selected culture so that makes them somehow “rap” even though they are just melodic hip-hop songs. So what’s the point of calling it rap? Might as well call it lowbrow Urban black people music.
“it is about being egotistical or not being egotistical but requires high openness to interpret the lyrics and understand them. theyre deeper than you think man.”
Bro I’ve read the genius.com interpretations (which usually give the rappers way too much credit). It doesn’t change that it’s mostly unintelligent r-selected stuff or just people writing the most clever things they can think of. Which is great but you have to wade through trash after trash to get something good. How many black guys want to be rappers? Probably 99 percent. That’s an insane pool, and all you have to do is talk rhythmically and find a non-black to advertise and make beats. If these rappers were not immersed in higher-trust, more intelligent K-selected societies and benefactors of enormous affirmative action most of them wouldn’t be able to be as successful as they are. That’s why they can’t keep their wealth.
Basically rap is one of the most racist genres because you have to fellate black males or black male inner city culture to be a rapper. Bob Dylan did a “rap” song (Subterrean Homesick Blues) but no one would consider that rap even though he was literally rapping. And stuff that is barely rap but comes from a black artist is considered rap. “Hey Ya” by OutKast is considered a rap song.
I mean country is similar in a way for rural whites, but no one puts country music on a pedastal.
“(which usually give the rappers way too much credit)”
Not really; you just have a low opinion of blacks, so you can’t comprehend them producing intellectual works. You think overt sexualization and materialism are dumb because that’s what you have been conditioned to believe, not because there is any factor of the matter on the sentiment.
“Which is great but you have to wade through trash after trash to get something good. ”
That is literally all music. There is absolutely no exception. In fact, you could probably say this about any form of media or art, not just music.
Lurker you are an imbecile if you think whites are not malevolent. Whites are always looking out for themselves.
Whites literally destroyed civilizations. Doesnt matter if they created one now. And their civilization is crumbling now and being replaced by a lesser intelligent one so how useful were those contributions and success really if it was so short lived?
“Not really; you just have a low opinion of blacks, so you can’t comprehend them producing intellectual works. You think overt sexualization and materialism are dumb because that’s what you have been conditioned to believe, not because there is any factor of the matter on the sentiment.”
It’s not really my opinion of blacks though, it’s just what I see. I’ve met some nice blacks but West Africa has no great art on any sort of scale, and the good “black” music exists mostly in the US. That doesn’t seem like an accident.
It’s not that my opinion is harsh, people praise blacks too much for the littlest things. Rapping is probably the easiest thing you could do musically, you just need no shame or self-awareness.
I don’t think materialism and sexualization is dumb because of conditioning or propaganda by religious or conservatives lol. I think it’s dumb because anyone can do it and it’s easy and doesn’t express anything meaningful.
I’ve listened to plenty of rap as a kid/teen, but basically when you get down to it even the most intelligent rap music is specifically not made for white people (or made to glorify the rapper and brown people), and there’s not much there I couldn’t get anywhere else. So I’ve no reason to listen to it.
I’ve gradually listened to less and less rap music because it has no meaning to me.
“That is literally all music. There is absolutely no exception. In fact, you could probably say this about any form of media or art, not just music.”
True, that’s the nature of how the best tends to be skimmed from the top or whatever, but I just mean there are so many amateur rap artists and songs that it’s no surprise that a couple of them are intelligent. It doesn’t make them “real” or “deep”. It doesn’t mean blacks are especially good at music despite being bad at most other intellectual pursuits (or noble despite committing so many crimes).
“LMAO, Lurker must be Ben Shapiro. You need to listen to more rap before making comments like this, man.”
I don’t have Jewish connections or a gay voice. My hatred of rap does not come from ignorance.
“Lurker you are an imbecile if you think whites are not malevolent. Whites are always looking out for themselves.”
If we were looking out for ourselves we wouldn’t let you and everyone else in would we? And r-selected people always assume that white individualism means they are selfish when in reality they just didn’t grow up in an overpopulated hot village.
“Whites literally destroyed civilizations. Doesnt matter if they created one now. And their civilization is crumbling now and being replaced by a lesser intelligent one so how useful were those contributions and success really if it was so short lived?”
Whites didn’t destroy civilizations, what are you talking about? They conquered ones that were backwards, yes. Some of them. Apparently you think history was a magical love-fest and wasn’t kill or be killed (just as it is in many places today)? Destroying implies they were barbarians and not the ones with more advanced societies.
The reason their contributions and success is useful even though their numbers are dwindling is because 1. the whole world’s economy is going to shit in case you haven’t noticed, not just Western countries, 2. The leaders of Western countries have all gone to bed with globalists and their associates. So basically corruption. But the point is that the level of corruption in white societies is at a much more complicated level than non-Western societies. So yes they are still corrupt but the society is overall a lot more advanced.
It’s like saying X society has mild sexual harrasment so it’s just as bad as Y society where rape is daily.
You’re right that modern tech allows for a lot more destruction but otherwise we’d be feudal serfs for centuries, occasionally being ransacked and enslaved by barbarians or going to war or dying from natural disasters and plagues. So yes there is more potential for harm but that’s just because the society is more advanced overall…
The real “LOL” here is “r-selected behavior.”
“I don’t have Jewish connections or a gay voice. My hatred of rap does not come from ignorance.”
I said that because Ben Shapiro has erroneously claimed that Rap is not music because it does not have melody. And someone would only say that if they were ignorant of Rap’s history and have rarely listened to Rap music.
So, your hatred does come from ignorance. Nobody informed on HipHop culture believes that rapping is easy or takes no self-awareness.
“it has no meaning to me”
This is very obvious to me. That’s why your pleas to convince me your opinion on the culture and its ‘r-selection’ isn’t informed by cultural bias fall on deaf ears. You’re not ‘about that life.’ It’s not meant for you, but instead of having empathy (real self-awareness) and trying to understand a different culture, you choose to belittle it and demean it.
But this isn’t surprising. I’m above average when it comes to appreciating all forms of music. I’ve had friends that would blare punk music all day; it literally sounded all the same to me, but I understand that it’s of a different world than what I’m accustomed and so I never took the attitude of ‘ Oh, that’s not real music.’ I never said, ‘Turn that shit off!’ even when it sounded like trash to me.
I can’t say the same for others. I’ve never met anyone that does not get extremely defensive of their taste in music and judgmental of music that’s fundamentally different than theirs.
RR,
“The real “LOL” here is “r-selected behavior.””
Yeah, I was trying not to make fun of him for that.
“So, your hatred does come from ignorance. Nobody informed on HipHop culture believes that rapping is easy or takes no self-awareness.”
Rapping has an extremely low bar for entry. Yes, the best are very talented, but so are the best power-walkers even though anyone can walk.
No self-awareness because anyone would understand how cringe they look writing limericks to sound “hard” outside of their own culture.
“it has no meaning to me”
“This is very obvious to me. That’s why your pleas to convince me your opinion on the culture and its ‘r-selection’ isn’t informed by cultural bias fall on deaf ears. You’re not ‘about that life.’ It’s not meant for you, but instead of having empathy (real self-awareness) and trying to understand a different culture, you choose to belittle it and demean it.”
I’ve tried harder to understand other’s cultures more than they have mine. These rappers aren’t gansta, they’re people who grew up in single mother homes in neighborhoods with druggies and violence and lived off of welfare paid for by diligent Americans and pushed by liberal jews. They usually make trouble for everyone else and when they decide to act civilly and plan for the future they are called white (ironic). They continue the bullshit cycle by promoting the same gutter culture and creating baby mommas cuz they muhfuggin iced out and skeetin on crackheads giving them ballin’ dome
The most real they get is realizing that being a G ain’t all that and talking about Egyptian kings, or loving God and family. I’ve never heard of a rap artist acknowledging the way the world actually works and how most of their brethren just continue the retarded short aimless life cycle.
They acknowledge the disturbing nature of having babies for welfare in the hood, but what about who actually pays for welfare? No, fuck all the nonblacks! What about acknowledging who taught them the religion they use to value human life in the first place? How many rappers would say “there is still slavery in Africa, and whites were the first racial group to work to put an end to slavery”?
It’s not a shocking tragedy when they die early, it’s an inevitability that comes from largely their own choices. I’ll start calling rappers real and gangsta when they show some actual soul searching. Not corny gay whiny Kendrick Lamar-esque “emotional vulnerability”.
“But this isn’t surprising. I’m above average when it comes to appreciating all forms of music. I’ve had friends that would blare punk music all day; it literally sounded all the same to me, but I understand that it’s of a different world than what I’m accustomed and so I never took the attitude of ‘ Oh, that’s not real music.’ I never said, ‘Turn that shit off!’ even when it sounded like trash to me.”
I’ve listened to a lot of music. Right now you’re literally assuming I don’t like rap because I’m uninformed, so how is that your appreciation is any more objective than mine? I’m each to their own but I won’t defend every art form as being equal just because others enjoy them. I never said it’s not real music, just that it’s often stupid and ugly. Post-modern art is real art it’s just really bad art.
“I can’t say the same for others. I’ve never met anyone that does not get extremely defensive of their taste in music and judgmental of music that’s fundamentally different than theirs.”
I’m not defensive about my taste in music, I haven’t even said my taste in music. I even like some rap songs… but the lyrics are mostly idiotic and it doesn’t take much talent, nor will most songs have lasting impact. The lyrics are the most important part in rap songs and even in the best songs they are either extremely stupid values or trying too hard to make wordplay and references.
But I ACTUALLY enjoy music, I don’t listen to it for some bland aesthetic reason. So when the lyrical content is so offputting and has nothing to do with my life it’s hard to enjoy. It’s the same reason I wouldn’t listen to endless gospel songs about Jesus. Moreover, it should have no relation to any sane person’s life. Lyrically, there are better things to listen to and musically at least equal. The popularity FAR outweighs the goodness.
“The real “LOL” here is “r-selected behavior.””
Rap music propagates values associated with short life-spans and not planning for the future. (If you want to say there are less resources in the hood so therefore it’s K-selected… I understand, but the end result is that in hood culture people have kids without caring for them.)
There are rock songs about addiction to drugs and such, which also get annoying. But most genres do not rely on lyrics as rap does.
RR, I don’t know how you can criticize me. You literally cite evidence that certain white people used to think East Asians had larger penises and smaller brains (as blacks are said to now) as proof that Rushton’s theory is false. It could just be… those guys over a hundred years ago were ignorant and made incorrect judgments?
You are apparently incapable of actually incorporating any data outside of specific citations. You can easily look at the torso to leg length, head size, facial features (nose size, ear size, forehead prominence, jaw width, prognathism) masculinity, lifespan, subcutaneous bodyfat, body hair, waist-to-hip ratio, etc. and understand what Rushton’s evolutionary hierarchy was representing… instead you cite ancient studies about what certain whites used to think about asians. Why?
This black guy worked for me for a few years and he would rap the songs he would listen to, and some if it is pretty good. The wordplay is great and I like some of the rhymes and how is had meaning to them based on their life experiences. King Von is pretty good. “Talk about bodies, I got a few. 4 plus 3, 3 plus 2.”
I just deny that the r/K duality is valid within populations, as the scathing critiques to Rushton have noted over the decades (to which he gave really bad defenses of in his 2000 edition of Race, Evolution, and Behavior).
Lurker what im trying to say is that whites have exploited blacks and other minorities for centuries and whites like you dont even consider the repercussions of that and do not take the consequences of building a society that has exploited other people into account.
also white people are not inclusive they just had to budge because other people were done negotiating with them. this is all about survival i agree and other people (minorities) are fed up with white behavior.
and they did destroy their own civilization by not having the foresight to acknowledge that their civilization would be burnt down from within.
“I just deny that the r/K duality is valid within populations, as the scathing critiques to Rushton have noted over the decades (to which he gave really bad defenses of in his 2000 edition of Race, Evolution, and Behavior).”
Fair enough, if I knew a better framework or term for behavior that is low-time preference, overly sexualized, violent, etc. than r-selection I would use it.
“Lurker what im trying to say is that whites have exploited blacks and other minorities for centuries and whites like you dont even consider the repercussions of that and do not take the consequences of building a society that has exploited other people into account.”
Bro, whites literally paid their blood to eliminate slavery in the West. What other group has done that? I take exploitation into account all the time. I’ve heard many explanations of systemic racism and acquired wealth, etc. You have me mistaken for someone who hasn’t heard these arguments. I just don’t agree. They don’t understand history or the present time of who is really exploitated. Everything they know about history comes from media propagated by liberals and even that is extremely tunnel-visioned on the transantlantic slave trade which is hardly what makes Western society successful. They don’t even know what their own ancestors did before they met whites. They don’t know how much they count on Western culture. They fudge the numbers all the time like stating anti-asian hate crimes were MAGA people and not blacks. This kind of thing is everywhere if you could forget that you were a minority for a second and actually observe reality.
You have people like Kanye who believes he’s a Jew and the Nation of Islam and Five Percenters… these people have insane views and are just tribalistic and never gave a shit about other people’s perspectives. They have victim complexes.
I don’t justify my opinions because I’m white. How many times do I have to say I used to be progressive? I used to think a lot of national IQs of nonwhites and asians could be not representing their potentials, for example, but it’s hard to find evidence for that year after year. Whatever advantages that Western Europeans have seems to have made a great difference.
“also white people are not inclusive they just had to budge because other people were done negotiating with them. this is all about survival i agree and other people (minorities) are fed up with white behavior.”
Minorities come to Western countries, not sure how they are fed up? They just buy the liberal (especially Jew) line and hate on whitey.
Not being inclusive is a good thing. It’s a sign of standards. It seems that whites were able to keep standards while also being open-minded compared to most of the world.
“and they did destroy their own civilization by not having the foresight to acknowledge that their civilization would be burnt down from within.”
Every civilization has ups-and-downs that are often unpredicted, so what?
Just because whites are moral doesnt mean everyone has to be. i mean it precludes being in a functioning society but there is no precedent that says you have to act a certain way.
that being said i think whites did a lot for minorities who are largely ungrateful but still whites did a lot of bad things too and they destroyed civilizations that couldve surpassed whites in a lot of ways.
r/k and intelligence and a wide variety of traits have their ebb and flows in society so a more powerful or intelligent civilization can eventually achieve that type of success in a matter of centuries had it not been for interventions on the part of the malevolent in this case the whites.
conquerors write history. literally all history is written by the victors in society therefore you cant trust the whites to be actually virtuous and tell the truth in terms of what they did and didnt do.
“Rapping has an extremely low bar for entry.”
All music has a low bar of entry.
“No self-awareness because anyone would understand how cringe they look”
People who think rap is cringe look cringe to the rest of the population (in America).
“I’ve never heard of a rap artist acknowledging the way the world actually works and how most of their brethren just continue the retarded short aimless life”
I know you haven’t. That’s why I will not attempt to change your mind or acknowledge some of the absurd statements you’ve made. The statement alone proves that you’ve never really listened to artists like Kendrick Lamar, Jay-Z, Tupac, Big L, or even Kanye.
And the fact that your entire issue with rap seems to be based on your perception of black people tells me that even if I wrote an entire book about the effect of systemic racism and colonialism on the psychology of POC in America, you STILL wouldn’t understand. In fact, I see in some of your responses to Loaded that when confronted with the gritty reality of how your ancestors have preyed on the weak, you retaliate with self-victimization narratives and whataboutism. It showcases that you can’t simply acknowledge what’s happened in the past without taking some sort of personal offense to it. You have a lot of growing up to do.
“but what about who actually pays for welfare?”
I will address this because this sentence, in particular, kind of bothered me. Everyone pays for welfare. That’s what taxes are for.
In fact, whites are the biggest percentage of recipients. Stop watching fake news and educate yourself.
“All music has a low bar of entry.”
No, running has a higher bar of entry than walking. But yes, talking and rhyming is really hard. Really hard bro.
“People who think rap is cringe look cringe to the rest of the population (in America).”
Oh my god! I didn’t realize we were in high school… things make a lot more sense now.
“I know you haven’t. That’s why I will not attempt to change your mind or acknowledge some of the absurd statements you’ve made.”
Okay? I’m just stating my opinion that rap lyrics are generally lowbrow violent garbage.
“The statement alone proves that you’ve never really listened to artists like Kendrick Lamar, Jay-Z, Tupac, Big L, or even Kanye.”
You have literally no idea what you’re talking about. They’re all borderline black supremacists or think whitey is the devil when you get down to it.
“And the fact that your entire issue with rap seems to be based on your perception of black people tells me that even if I wrote an entire book about the effect of systemic racism and colonialism on the psychology of POC in America, you STILL wouldn’t understand.”
Bro you said you’re a communist, you don’t do “reality”.
“In fact, I see in some of your responses to Loaded that when confronted with the gritty reality of how your ancestors have preyed on the weak, you retaliate with self-victimization narratives and whataboutism. It showcases that you can’t simply acknowledge what’s happened in the past without taking some sort of personal offense to it. You have a lot of growing up to do.”
You think I value your opinion? LOL. It’s not my ancestors either… as far as I know none of my ancestors were slaveholders, and how far back do you want to go? Every group was enslaved, which you seem to ignore like a typical minority obsessed with victimhood.
Obviously it’s not about hearing the “gritty reality” (aka what you were brainwashed to believe), I’m inundated with this BS anytime I watch mainstream media.
“I will address this because this sentence, in particular, kind of bothered me. Everyone pays for welfare. That’s what taxes are for.”
Whites pay more though and actually make the infrastructure (and don’t commit inordinate amounts of crime).
“In fact, whites are the biggest percentage of recipients. Stop watching fake news and educate yourself.”
Don’t tell me to educate myself… you realize minorities, especially blacks benefits from affirmative action for government jobs, college placement, etc?
Whites are much more likely to work and keep jobs. I don’t know what you’re talking about.
Welfare was an example for the general trend… there is no self-awareness in rap.
Once again you’re talking to an ex-Democrat progressive who believed a lot of the BS you’re repeating.
“In fact, I see in some of your responses to Loaded that when confronted with the gritty reality of how your ancestors have preyed on the weak, you retaliate with self-victimization narratives and whataboutism.”
Also, LOADED says stuff like whites are the most evil etc… It’s not whataboutism to respond to blanket racist statements. OF COURSE white people have done bad things, as have all people. NO SHIT!
The whole thing is there are two sides to every story. I believe Jews have done a lot of bad things around the world as a group, but I don’t blame every one of them and to an extent I think there liberalism and minority promotion can be a useful counterbalance when kept in check.
“Just because whites are moral doesnt mean everyone has to be. i mean it precludes being in a functioning society but there is no precedent that says you have to act a certain way.”
I agree, I think there should be a balance between idealistic standards and pragmatism. I’m open to other groups’ success obviously just not when they come to Western countries and try to destroy the culture. You can say whites did that to them with colonialism but that’s only implying that those other cultures are simply behind the times and doing what whites stopped doing 100 years ago. And revenge is not a solution, self-defense is. Random innocent whites have been getting murdered and raped for the past 30 years, I think equality of violence has long been reached. Whites donate to Africa, Asia, give them medicine, education etc. but you never hear that mentioned.
“that being said i think whites did a lot for minorities who are largely ungrateful but still whites did a lot of bad things too and they destroyed civilizations that couldve surpassed whites in a lot of ways.”
I guess so but basically any powerful civilization has done that.
“r/k and intelligence and a wide variety of traits have their ebb and flows in society so a more powerful or intelligent civilization can eventually achieve that type of success in a matter of centuries had it not been for interventions on the part of the malevolent in this case the whites.”
Not true though… otherwise why are there still tribes stuck in the stone age in remote places? Not all groups seem to be heading for advancing civilization, and if they are, it’s EXTREMELY slowly… and once again you’re using standards of whites 100 years ago when average whites were less wealthy or educated than any average current third-worlder.
You’re blaming whitey for all the problems of nations like India and China each who have greater populations than all the European peoples around the world.
“conquerors write history. literally all history is written by the victors in society therefore you cant trust the whites to be actually virtuous and tell the truth in terms of what they did and didnt do.”
There’s anti-white sentiment everywhere. Everyone who isn’t white and even some of the whites here all believe the same thing as you. I don’t understand where you get this idea that whites are writing the history books in their favor. Once again, this isn’t the 1800s.
Rap is a much superior genre to other music simply because its enjoyable. other music is hard to listen to. its the simplicity that makes it great.
yes it might be weak-minded but so is everything else these days especially politics and whatever else you go on about Lurker.
“You literally cite evidence that certain white people used to think East Asians had larger penises and smaller brains (as blacks are said to now) as proof that Rushton’s theory is false.”
I never claimed that’s a proof that Rushton was a bullshitter. Rushton cooked the data, for example, on race and crime (Cernovsky and Littman 2019 have a recent discussion on that, see a discussion here
https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2019/05/05/what-rushton-got-wrong/). The reasons Rushton was a hack can be found below—as I said before, he outright ignored and didn’t give a solid enough response to his critics, especially Judith Anderson (1991) who demolished his claims.
“(i) he misapplied r/K selection in application to human races (Africans would be K, Mongoloids would be r; rule-following and intelligence can be selected for in either environment/with any of the agents of r- or K-selection),
(ii) he arbitrarily designated Africans as r and Mongoloids as K due to current demographic trends (the true application of r and K is described above, which Rushton showed no understanding of),
(iii) the races do not differ in levels of testosterone nor penis size,
(iv) testosterone does not cause prostate cancer nor does it cause crime, so even if there was a large difference between blacks and whites, it would not explain higher rates of PCa in blacks, nor would it explain higher rates of crime,
(v) the scala naturae is a long-dead concept no longer in use by evolutionary biologists, along with its cousin ‘evolutionary progress’, while r/K selection is the attempt at reviving both,
(vi) human races are not local populations; since human races are not local populations then his application of r/K selection to humans is erroneous.”
https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2017/06/24/rk-selection-theory-a-response-to-rushton/
Also see mine and @evopsychgoogle’ings articles on Rushton and Templer’s melanocortin argument. EPG’s led to the article—thankfully—getting retracted!
https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2018/02/15/do-pigmentation-and-the-melanocortin-system-modulate-aggression-and-sexuality-in-humans-as-they-do-in-other-animals-a-response-to-rushton-and-templer-2012/
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“You are apparently incapable of actually incorporating any data outside of specific citations. You can easily look at the torso to leg length, head size, facial features (nose size, ear size, forehead prominence, jaw width, prognathism) masculinity, lifespan, subcutaneous bodyfat, body hair, waist-to-hip ratio, etc.”
Rushton was demolished on this since the late 80s and 90s…
Also Melo the fact that you think more whites are on welfare per capita shows you regurgitate shitlibs. It’s a falsity, but don’t count on RR to fact-check you since it suits his narrative.
“Rap is a much superior genre to other music simply because its enjoyable. other music is hard to listen to. its the simplicity that makes it great.”
There are plenty of simple non-rap songs. But I agree most rap is simplistic.
There are plenty of easy listening songs of most genres to relax to. I think you mistake “trying to catch your attention by being vulgar, repetitive and using cliches” and “being on the radio so you are already familiar with it” to it being easy to listen to.
“yes it might be weak-minded but so is everything else these days especially politics and whatever else you go on about Lurker.”
Fair enough but this is an HBD blog so I assume people actually want to hear challenging narratives.
“Also Melo the fact that you think more whites are on welfare per capita”
He didn’t say that, did he? He said:
“In fact, whites are the biggest percentage of recipients. Stop watching fake news and educate yourself.”
“I never claimed that’s a proof that Rushton was a bullshitter.”
OK, but I’m saying there’s been mountains of data since then.
““(i) he misapplied r/K selection in application to human races (Africans would be K, Mongoloids would be r; rule-following and intelligence can be selected for in either environment/with any of the agents of r- or K-selection),
(ii) he arbitrarily designated Africans as r and Mongoloids as K due to current demographic trends (the true application of r and K is described above, which Rushton showed no understanding of),”
Like I said above if there was a better term for short-term thinking and not caring for kids, etc. I’ll use it.
“(iii) the races do not differ in levels of testosterone nor penis size,”
They definitely differ on outward manifestations of masculine phenotypes. And yes, races differ on average penis size just like vaginas differ, just not that much. If you don’t watch porn, you only have to buy a condom in an Asian country to figure this out. (not necessarily a huge difference but there is definitely a difference).
“(iv) testosterone does not cause prostate cancer nor does it cause crime, so even if there was a large difference between blacks and whites, it would not explain higher rates of PCa in blacks, nor would it explain higher rates of crime,”
T or not, crime seems to be both a symptom of relative poverty and masculine features (risk-taking, aggression) and low IQ. Races may have different rates depending on their current society, but when East Asians, whites, and blacks are in roughly equal proportions in the same area it seems that they fall into the stereotypes given to them.
“(v) the scala naturae is a long-dead concept no longer in use by evolutionary biologists, along with its cousin ‘evolutionary progress’, while r/K selection is the attempt at reviving both,”
You need basically metaphysical/logical proof outside the scope of typical biological science to completely debunk that there is no evolutionary ladder.
“(vi) human races are not local populations; since human races are not local populations then his application of r/K selection to humans is erroneous.””
Fair enough, I just want an applicable term, but anytime racial differences in intelligence or behavior are observed it gets labeled racist science so there will probably never be good vocabulary. But being accurate is important of course.
“Also see mine and @evopsychgoogle’ings articles on Rushton and Templer’s melanocortin argument. EPG’s led to the article—thankfully—getting retracted!”
Fair enough but I don’t believe in every claim Rushton makes, just some of the observations. AFAIK women have lighter skin, so it’s probably true within the same race but not interracially. I don’t believe slightly darker skinned Japanese men are more violent than pale white Russian men.
“Rushton was demolished on this since the late 80s and 90s…”
All of those phenotypical factors are literally shown quite clearly to match human evolution and IQ, I don’t see how they can be debunked. The body literally needs to be built differently to have kids with bigger heads.
Which means his comment is pointless because whites still pay for other people’s welfare than they get there’s paid for???
And RR, by missing my argument your comment proved both my points (that Melo was wrong and that you post stuff that suits your narrative)
“But yes, talking and rhyming is really hard. Really hard bro.”
Haha, yeah, I guess that’s all rap is to you, huh?
“Oh my god! I didn’t realize we were in high school”
I mean, you’re the one who started that.
“They’re all borderline black supremacists or think whitey is the devil when you get down to it.”
You could probably say that about Tupac, but that’s not really an appropriate descriptor for any of the others. It just further proves my point of how ignorant you are.
“Bro you said you’re a communist, you don’t do “reality”.”
What’s wrong with communism?
“You think I value your opinion?”
So, why are you wasting your time even responding to me?
“Whites pay more though and actually make the infrastructure (and don’t commit inordinate amounts of crime).”
Sorry, I forgot that black people don’t work in construction and that whites don’t commit 60% of violent crimes.
“Which means his comment is pointless because whites still pay for other people’s welfare than they get there’s paid for?”
This is nonsensical. Everyone pays for everybody’s welfare. Tax money is not distributed on racial lines.
Speaking of black-cock worship, how’s your mother doing, Philo?
So you literally copied and pasted Loadeds comment from above. Its like you two are hive mind ants or something.
its the truth though Pill how is your mother doing with all the black cock worshipping she has been doing?
He said as he made his 8th black-cock worship joke in this post alone.
If you’re going to insult me, at least make it make sense.
Fundamentally Melo, Loaded, Afro and some of the others are low intelligence people. They were always going to fall for whatever jews said.
A lot of people have no idea what created the society they were in (including me). They boil it down to simplistic ideologies.
An intelligent person shouldn’t call themselves a communist. That betrays a generally r-selected view of reality.
Im probably more K-selected than you and I think that r-selectedness is a lot more prominent nowadays and a lot more of a successful mating strategy nowadays.
Youre so self consumed you think that whatever traits you embody is the more successful strategy for everyone! Not everyone in this world will confirm to your judgments and standards man. Be real.
I used to be a progressive, it’s not about me. There should be a balance between r-selection and K-selection urges but basically it should just be whatever is sustainable and moves humanity forward, which gradually becomes less r-selected (just as homo sapiens are very K-selected with our long life times). Communism is favors hand-outs based on extremely flimsy ideals. That’s basically r-selection heaven.
well you cant criticize the people on top just for being on top thats retarded. you can criticize once you find a way to outcompete them but until then youre just going to have shut up about it.
I’m a moral person, not a capitalistic homocidal maniac, and some people on top are evil and exploitatitve. Like those pushing vaccines without testing or those who start wars for money or those who print money and pass on the debt to the lower classes and future generations, or just people who pollute the environement.
That being said I have no idea what you are referencing lol.
im referencing the fact that youre projecting your values as being moral and better by saying that you believe in them.
when in actuality there is none of that going on and the most successful people are the opposite of you. so who is winning? them.
and why? because they dont subscribe to your bullshit agenda to serve a purpose where theyre reasonably not going to prevail.
and everyone has an agenda. you clearly have one to push your views and ideologies onto others but most people wont buy that shit because it doesnt work for them!
“im referencing the fact that youre projecting your values as being moral and better by saying that you believe in them.
when in actuality there is none of that going on and the most successful people are the opposite of you. so who is winning? them.”
Well you know, bad philosophies work for awhile, until they deplete resources or eat themselves.
Most of what I’ve said on this post and elsewhere is simply critique about what I see are inconsistencies… is that a bad thing in your view? That’s kind of how knowledge progresses.
“and why? because they dont subscribe to your bullshit agenda to serve a purpose where theyre reasonably not going to prevail.
and everyone has an agenda. you clearly have one to push your views and ideologies onto others but most people wont buy that shit because it doesnt work for them!”
I’m not pushing my agenda, I’m just explaining what I think is true. I’m not trying to brainwash people or push an agenda… I have literally no clue what you’re talking about.
I don’t believe wokism, Communism, environmentalism, or that brown people are victims, common liberal views etc.. Nothing wrong with challenging people or disagreeing with them. Anyone is free to ignore it, so…?
Lurker you are free to choose whatever you want but so are elites and other people and i guess i have to reiterate this but no one will follow you.
you have no credibility and you will probably suffer from the actions of others more than anyone else if you keep choosing to go against the grain.
“Lurker you are free to choose whatever you want but so are elites and other people and i guess i have to reiterate this but no one will follow you.”
Well you either follow logic or begin to unravel from self-inconsistency. Either way I don’t really want to live in a world where people are unreasonable.
“you have no credibility and you will probably suffer from the actions of others more than anyone else if you keep choosing to go against the grain.”
I have credibility, anybody could read what I say and realize I’m not a complete idiot. I’m probably my worst critic actually. But yes I will and have suffered consequences of going against the grain, it’s basically my personality, which is why I generally “lurk” (if you want to make it about me personally, which is not the point about rap being stupid and being a bad influence for society and the black community).
I dont fall for what the Jews say I have my own critique of the world my own experiences I base my ideals on.
I am more intelligent than you Pill and fundamentally a better human being.
Loaded, we should be friends. It’ll be like a buddy cop movie.
Shit, I’d watch it.
i already have a friend that im in a buddy cop movie with. sorry.
Fall vibes RIP Lil Peep:
Did you hear that Takeoff died? It’s so fucking sad, man; you can hear Quavo screaming his name in the video after it happened.
He was probably my favorite Migo, RIP. I wonder if his death will bring Offset and Quavo back together.
I’ma be listening to his solo album all day today.
Yeah I heard about Takeoffs death. RIP.
Another guy died at the age of 28 being shot. This is what I’m talking about. It’s like people have no self-awareness.
These 2 guys are like a parody account. Constant black cock worship.
its not as black and white as everything you think about Pill. for example youre the one always bringing race into things and youre the one who expects blacks to behave a certain way to you.
no one is going to conform to your worldviews Pill. No one.
Puppy why don’t you like rap? You watch CNN. You love Oprah. Why aren’t you into black cock worship too?
I like white rap: Eminem
why do you like white rap? its literally the worst form of rap there is!
I also like genetically superior rap:
“why do you like white rap? its literally the worst form of rap there is!”
Thereby confirming you only like rap specifically because they’re brown.
“I also like genetically superior rap:”
HAHA. You and my mother.
i like rap that is good most whites cannot rap for shit.
Racial fetishism is hilarious.
Loaded basically just admitted he wants black dick straight [vulgarity redacted by pp, 2022-11-02]
Why is my comment banned? He’s allowed make fun of me but not me on him?
he was also recently moderated for vulgarity
i said that about you. get new jokes you fucking idiot. Pill you are a disgrace to humanity. you are not clever or intelligent in any way.
i have to reiterate that you have schizophrenia most of your hallucinations are about fellating and taking black cock.
“i like rap that is good most whites cannot rap for shit.”
Because 1. it’s cringe, 2. most don’t try, 3. most associate it with blacks (just as blacks themselves do) so don’t bother, 4. most are more self-aware than blacks so don’t want to brag over a beat, 5. there are better things to do, 6. the most famous rapper is white, because they are just as good
hahahahah Lurker you are a fucking retard. wow. you really think whites can rap?
you must be the stupidest person here!
Why yes, I do think whites are capable of speaking on a beat and rhyming. What about you?
i dont think there are. there are countless whites who try and you can find a white trying to freestyle right outside your local bar after getting drunk.
they plain suck.
Yes, drunks, the most rhythmic of all people.
But even so, some things are not worth being good at, like rap.
Just proves youre retarded Lurker!
Hip hop is all about culture. Cultural acquisition among blacks is almost on par with whites from what ive read. Interesting that blacks have higher conformity than even East Asians in certain ways!
These two songs in sequence are better than any track I’ve heard from any white artist.
Why are blacks the best at making music? My dad was a huge Ancient Aliens believer when I was growing up and claimed that aliens made black people for entertainment purposes.
You realise this rapper probably has a sub-70 IQ right?
I mean, it’d still be higher than yours, lol.
Pill you dimwitted fool these people have millions while you still live in your parents basement. you are obviously so stupid you will never realize it.
[redacted by pp, 2022-11-02].
“Why are blacks the best at making music?”
Go live in Nigeria and start a record label with that untapped talent pool dawg.
they already do dimwit.
If only Nigerian rap could feed the world, we’d all be fat and lazy.
I watch Ancient Aliens here and there on Disc+. I remember when it was like a 3 part special back in the late 00s. Good times.
This is the exact show I could imagine RR watching.
Pill you are schiz loser. get a job and make some income for once.
whites just dont have the rhythm to do rap. as with asians and other races. blacks are the superior races because yes r-selection helps.
this is why their music is better and will always be. electronic music couldve outdone rap and other black genres but there is no way now.
i mean just look at other genres where blacks dominate like r&b and gospel and maybe even country to a degree. they simply are better musicians.
Asians and whites have rhythm, they just don’t jive or necessarily love bass.
The best rhythm game players are Asian, the best guitarists are white, etc. You assume bass drum thumping = rhythm
Rhythm can be judged by how one dances or keeps a beat whites are notorious for being bad at both East Asians too!
Dancing is the most physically loaded musical skill you could possibly choose, not a skill purely about rhythm. Rhythm can be judged in many ways, there’s no point disputing that
And blacks dominate dancing so youre saying theyre better at a more g loaded activity thus proving my point!
Lurker you have no self awareness. Nuff said.
Please, leave the US and stop leeching off of good people.
there are no “good” people in the US and im not leeching off anyone. you have no self awareness.
youre doing the exact same things i am!
There are no good people in the US? So why are you there knucklehead?
i dont want to be life would be easier in Pakistan for me. the US is a shithole because of everyones greediness and stupidity not to mention being a home to idiots like you!
LOADED, I don’t even live in the US right now. Although I will be coming back. So it’s more than likely a shithole because of you rather than me.
You realize blacks don’t care about other minorities, particularly Asians? That’s why Philosopher calls you BBC worshippers.
This is an HBD blog, why cry when someone says something racist? Do you need everyone to agree with you?
“You realize blacks don’t care about other minorities, particularly Asians? That’s why Philosopher calls you BBC worshippers.”
No. Philosopher calls us BBC worshippers because he is literally a cuck that’s projecting his insecurities. He actually gets ‘headaches’ when he sees interracial porn.
Races aren’t some hivemind. Some blacks hate asians. Some whites hate black people. But appreciating rap music does not make anyone a ‘BBC worshipper’ any more than liking Mexican food makes someone a ‘BMC worshipper.’
Just more low-IQ tribalism brought to you by our lowest-IQ commenters.
no but i dont like it when you spout nonsense in the midst of my presence.
“No. Philosopher calls us BBC worshippers because he is literally a cuck that’s projecting his insecurities. He actually gets ‘headaches’ when he sees interracial porn.”
You’re free to live in your own liberal bubble I guess.
“Races aren’t some hivemind. Some blacks hate asians. Some whites hate black people. But appreciating rap music does not make anyone a ‘BBC worshipper’ any more than liking Mexican food makes someone a ‘BMC worshipper.’”
Jesus. I guess you’re one of those people I have to say #not-all to every time I generalize? You strawman me to the MAGA vision that haunts you apparently. How do you people not realize you’re on a HBD blog?
It’s not about “liking” rap, it’s the fact that you guys act like rappers are amazing and intelligent and the reasons are simplistic thinking and tribalistic.
“Just more low-IQ tribalism brought to you by our lowest-IQ commenters.”
Ironic. You just spout liberal talking points and then deflect when you are called out.
“no but i dont like it when you spout nonsense in the midst of my presence.”
You say incoherent nonsense all the time. You are lucky anyone talks to you.
i dont say anything incoherent. if you cant understand me thats on you not me.
i am a very fluid writer most of my writings make sense unlike the inane and retarded garbage posted on this blog.
“Jesus. I guess you’re one of those people I have to say #not-all to every time I generalize?”
Not at all. Do you believe that because some Asians despise blacks, blacks shouldn’t take their family out to eat Chinese food? Otherwise, are they a ‘BAC worshipper’?
“It’s not about “liking” rap, it’s the fact that you guys act like rappers are amazing and intelligent and the reasons are simplistic thinking and tribalistic.”
Some rappers are amazing and intelligent. This would be true for any genre of music. You just can’t understand why because you’re racist.
LMAO I found Lurker and Philo’s favorite rapper:
“Haha, yeah, I guess that’s all rap is to you, huh?”
Just read my other posts. What makes rap different from other genres is… rapping.
“I mean, you’re the one who started that.”
Started what? I didn’t post a rap video or talk about how rap was the best genre, I responded.
“They’re all borderline black supremacists or think whitey is the devil when you get down to it.”
“You could probably say that about Tupac, but that’s not really an appropriate descriptor for any of the others. It just further proves my point of how ignorant you are.”
Not really, it’s a slight exaggeration but the point is they buy the woke anti-white pro-minority viewpoint hook, line and sinker. You don’t realize it because you simply agree with it.
“What’s wrong with communism?”
Many things, but most obvious would be that it has literally never worked and lead to death.
“So, why are you wasting your time even responding to me?”
1. Other people can read it. 2. I value people’s opinions to a point but when they claim I’m extremely ignorant when I repeatedly make my point as clear as I can and constantly try to steelman others, I don’t value that opinion.
At this point I think any observer could tell I’m making a lot more effort to understand other’s positions than you, LOADED or RR does mine.
“Whites pay more though and actually make the infrastructure (and don’t commit inordinate amounts of crime).”
“Sorry, I forgot that black people don’t work in construction and that whites don’t commit 60% of violent crimes.”
Construction is not what I meant by infrastructure but I’m guessing more whites work in construction than blacks (especially if you go by sheer percentage of the US as you did with welfare)
Yes, blacks commit 60 percent of the murders. That’s not good.
“This is nonsensical. Everyone pays for everybody’s welfare. Tax money is not distributed on racial lines.”
You can’t claim systemic oppression and then literally live off of other’s dime. How hard is that to understand?
“Started what?”
Calling things ‘cringe’. I was pointing out that your statement is cringe to many Americans.
“buy the woke anti-white pro-minority viewpoint hook”
Yeah, and what viewpoint is that?
“it has literally never worked ”
When has communism been achieved?
“At this point I think any observer could tell I’m making a lot more effort to understand other’s positions than you, LOADED or RR does mine.”
You have, at no point, attempted to understand my point of view. You’ve just regurgitated racist talking points that have no basis in reality. And no offense, but RR may understand your opinion in the sense that he comprehends it, but RR is about to have mixed children with a black woman. RR probably thinks you’re a racist piece of shit (and rightly so).
“Construction is not what I meant by infrastructure ”
Ah, so everything but construction, huh?
“I’m guessing more whites work in construction than black”
You’re missing the point.
“You can’t claim systemic oppression and then literally live off of other’s dime. ”
You actually can. Do whites not send their children to public school? Do they not drive on public roads? Do they not go to the DMV to renew their tags?
“Calling things ‘cringe’. I was pointing out that your statement is cringe to many Americans.”
There’s a difference between something being actually embarassing in an objective perspective and what a bunch of people are trained to think is embarassing.
“Yeah, and what viewpoint is that?”
Systemic racism, BLM propaganda, etc. I’m sure you know because you are a leftist robot.
“When has communism been achieved?”
If something can’t be acheived when it’s tried so many times with death tolls in the hundreds of millions, it’s just a sliiiight sign it’s not a good economic theory. (There are apriori reasons it doesn’t work as well)
“At this point I think any observer could tell I’m making a lot more effort to understand other’s positions than you, LOADED or RR does mine.”
“You have, at no point, attempted to understand my point of view. You’ve just regurgitated racist talking points that have no basis in reality. And no offense, but RR may understand your opinion in the sense that he comprehends it, but RR is about to have mixed children with a black woman. RR probably thinks you’re a racist piece of shit (and rightly so).”
You’re a parasitic piece of shit.
Once again you can’t tell a MAGA strawman from someone who calls you out on your wokeist BS. I have been in an interracial relationship. I’ve lived around nonwhites, I have many nonwhite relatives. I don’t assume every person of a race is the same much like I don’t assume I’m like every white person. I’m just stating factual observations not being a whiny liberal bitch.
RR couldn’t explain what intelligence was and has no coherent concept of it. If he can do that he might understand.
“You’re missing the point.”
Ironic.
“You actually can. Do whites not send their children to public school? Do they not drive on public roads? Do they not go to the DMV to renew their tags?”
Do whites not pay for those? Do whites not oppose them more than any other group, despite paying for them (meaning they are both more moral and less hypocritical).
I’m guessing the Afro American male on the bottom is not a Mensa member
“There’s a difference between something being actually embarassing in an objective perspective and what a bunch of people are trained to think is embarrassing.”
There actually isn’t.
“Systemic racism, BLM propaganda”
Lol, what’s ‘anti-white’ about that?
“If something can’t be acheived when it’s tried so many times with death tolls in the hundreds of millions”
Ah, so you believe communism has not been achieved? That’s different than what you originally said.
“You’re a parasitic piece of shit.”
I think we’re done here, lol. Maybe we can return to this once you’re ready to act like a big boy.
Loaded you are such a weak loser. Do you wanna know how the other pakistani men would react to one of their guys worshipping black cock? They would totally excommunicate you. Same with the Filippinos and Melo. They would be so weirded out by this fetish you both have ever since you went to America and watched CNN.
you know nothing about other cultures firstly and secondly a lot of Pakistani men in America are like me.
youre the weak loser Pill always succumbing to the power of superior races!
What? A lot of south asians are race cucks like you? I doubt it.
youre the only race cuck worshipping Jews and what not im not a race cuck. you are obviously reading too much into things Pill go take your meds.
schizo.
Loaded you would bring shame on your entire family in Pakistan if you went back home and admitted to worshipping blacks.
whites worship blacks i dont. i think theyre a unique race but i dont actively worship them like your kind does.
but i dont know if gypsies worship blacks or not i think they do because theyre always trying to act like them! but i might be wrong.
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Antipsychotic
It can treat schizophrenia.
just got prescribed this
“There actually isn’t.”
Yes there is. One is embarassing for a good reason, one isn’t.
“Systemic racism, BLM propaganda”
“Lol, what’s ‘anti-white’ about that?”
Implies whites keep minorities down with no good evidence, so basically it’s just an attempt to legitimize anti-white hatred. Implies other races are not as racist or more than whites (so again singles out whites). etc.
The damage that the BLM narrative and the Fentanyl Floyd and other BLM 60-13 martyrs have done to race relations in this country is unparalleled. You must not be paying attention if you think it has helped anyone… just like welfare hasn’t helped blacks. Black violence is worse, single motherhood is worse, everyone hates each other and doesn’t trust each other, etc.
“Ah, so you believe communism has not been achieved? That’s different than what you originally said.”
Jesus. It’s not been achieved because the utopian dream is IMPOSSIBLE.
“I think we’re done here, lol. Maybe we can return to this once you’re ready to act like a big boy.”
If we’re done shut the fuck up already.
“Yes there is”
Clearly doesn’t know what objective means.
“with no good evidence”
Oof. you should probably read up on what systemic racism is. Ignoring evidence doesn’t mean it’s nonexistent.
” everyone hates each other and doesn’t trust each other,”
That’s the fault of people like you, though.
“It’s not been achieved because the utopian dream is IMPOSSIBLE.”
LOL, what is ‘utopian’ about communism, and why do you think it’s impossible?
“If we’re done shut the fuck up already.”
Damn, you’re big mad, huh?
“Clearly doesn’t know what objective means.”
Moron.
“Oof. you should probably read up on what systemic racism is. Ignoring evidence doesn’t mean it’s nonexistent.”
Again, I have.
“That’s the fault of people like you, though.”
How stupid. It coincides with the BLM movement and the ideas of systemic racism, etc. Has nothing to do with me. Also, 7 years ago when BLM started I was actually more progressive, but the left has become more and more about hating whitey. It has nothing to do with me since it happened BEFORE I was against it.
“LOL, what is ‘utopian’ about communism, and why do you think it’s impossible?”
Clearly you’re an idiot.
“Rap requires a distinct amount of charisma. whites lack that and blacks have a lot of it. that is why rap is enjoyable. if you dont agree then maybe you need to reevaluate your position on society.”
So on one hand we have commie anti-whities like Melo who somehow argue there is no objective reasons to be embarassed or call some music worse, but still think they can claim a certain race has been immoral, and on the other hand we have schizos like LOADED who argue that charisma is objective and that somehow makes rap enjoyable.
You guys should argue amongst yourselves because clearly you have different worldviews about objectivity, but instead you both take the same side because of tribalism and brainwashing. Sad.
Lol, have a good one man. I hope objectivity finds you one day.
My point you don’t seem to have sufficient understanding of politics, intelligence, etc. that explaining to you things like why your idea of communism is impossible (It must be utopian if you think it’s never been achieved) is a waste of time. Or are worldviews are so different that it is a waste of time, but I actually believe in objectivity and I think I have a decent read on people.
It’s absolutely dumbfounding to me that someone who doesn’t know what ‘objective,’ ‘communism,’ ‘or even ‘intentionality’ means is trying to pretend that I’m the ignorant one, but like Mugabe says: ‘stupid people don’t know they’re stupid’ and you’re a good example of that.
“Not at all. Do you believe that because some Asians despise blacks, blacks shouldn’t take their family out to eat Chinese food? Otherwise, are they a ‘BAC worshipper’?”
No? I’m saying LOADED and you idolize idiots (or somewhat intelligent people sitting a top a pile of idiots like Kanye) because it fits your minority, systemic racism, woke, liberal tribalistic viewpoint, not because the music is especially good. You can like anything you want but there are actually reasons people like certain things, shockingly enough.
“Some rappers are amazing and intelligent. This would be true for any genre of music. You just can’t understand why because you’re racist.”
Again, it’s about statistics or averages. Apparently you listen to Wet Ass Pussy and think that does not represent how backwards the values of the black community are nowadays.
“No?”
Clearly, you believe that if you think it’s justified for Philo to call us ‘BBC worshippers’ for liking rap music.
” because it fits your minority, systemic racism, woke, liberal tribalistic viewpoint, not because the music is especially good.”
No. What’s your explanation for why I like Metal, Country, Classical, and Jazz?
“Apparently you listen to Wet Ass Pussy and think that does not represent how backwards the values of the black community are nowadays.”
What’s ‘backwards’ about liking pussy? Are you gay?
Rap requires a distinct amount of charisma. whites lack that and blacks have a lot of it. that is why rap is enjoyable. if you dont agree then maybe you need to reevaluate your position on society.
“Clearly, you believe that if you think it’s justified for Philo to call us ‘BBC worshippers’ for liking rap music.”
Because the reasons you like it more than any other genre, and revere criminals with no ability to delay gratification, is woke brainwashing and tribalism.
“No. What’s your explanation for why I like Metal, Country, Classical, and Jazz?”
Likely because you don’t believe in objectivity anyway and have an r-selected and hedonistic mindset. Atheist communists generally aren’t picky as long as they feel good.
My point wasn’t that rap isn’t enjoyable, but that it was stupid and didn’t take talent and propagates bad values and falsehoods. Taking a shit also feels good but it isn’t something to strive for.
Liking a rapper or rap song =/= Saying the genre is good on the whole. You apparently think I’m saying no rap song is good or entertaining when I’ve already said otherwise.
Plus, insulting rap has nothing to do with your enjoyment. You can agree it has horrible values and is generally not good for society and attracts the lowest people, and still enjoy it. But worshipping rappers and calling them geniuses… is objectively idiotic.
You can enjoy porn or reality TV and realize it’s artistically bankrupt.
“What’s ‘backwards’ about liking pussy? Are you gay?”
Pussy loses it’s value when it’s laced with STDs
“Because the reasons you like it more than any other genre, and revere criminals with no ability to delay gratification, is woke brainwashing and tribalism.”
No, I like it the most because it’s the most unique genre of music. It’s good for self-esteem, and it’s fun to dance to.
“you don’t believe in objectivity anyway”
I’d appreciate it if you’d stop using terms you don’t know the meaning of, like ‘objectivity’ or ‘communism.’
“it was stupid and didn’t take talent and propagates bad values and falsehoods”
Which is false, obviously.
“Liking a rapper or rap song =/= Saying the genre is good on the whole.”
As I said at the beginning of this conversation, all music has more trash than ‘non-trash.’ Simply acknowledging that good rap exists is the same as acknowledging that the genre is good. Otherwise, you might as well claim that all music is bad.
“You can agree it has horrible values and is generally not good for society and attracts the lowest people, and still enjoy it.”
Most people don’t get their values from music. They listen to particular kinds of music because it aligns with their values.
What’s horrible about the values? I think the only one I can agree with you on is how many ap songs promote violence, but that agreement isn’t based on anything objective. Other than that, everything else seems to be fine.
Maybe drug dealing? But only certain drugs like heroin, crack, and meth is bad, so I wouldn’t say it’s drug dealing per se.
“Pussy loses it’s value when it’s laced with STDs”
Not really sure what relevance this statement has. Did you think WAP was promoting having STDs or something? You should probably listen to that song again.
“No, I like it the most because it’s the most unique genre of music. It’s good for self-esteem, and it’s fun to dance to.”
Unique? Is that your opinion or objective? Sounds like you are contradicting yourself.
Plenty of other things that are good for self-esteem without imparting negativity.
“I’d appreciate it if you’d stop using terms you don’t know the meaning of, like ‘objectivity’ or ‘communism.”
You don’t realize how ironic that is
“As I said at the beginning of this conversation, all music has more trash than ‘non-trash.’ Simply acknowledging that good rap exists is the same as acknowledging that the genre is good. Otherwise, you might as well claim that all music is bad.”
Rap is worse on average.
“Most people don’t get their values from music. They listen to particular kinds of music because it aligns with their values.”
It doesn’t matter, the point is it has negative values and that aligns with their values and that’s cause for alarm and not respect.
“What’s horrible about the values? I think the only one I can agree with you on is how many ap songs promote violence, but that agreement isn’t based on anything objective. Other than that, everything else seems to be fine.
Maybe drug dealing? But only certain drugs like heroin, crack, and meth is bad, so I wouldn’t say it’s drug dealing per se.”
I’ve said a million times, violence, low-time preference, selfishness, whoring/pimping, sexism, vanity, greed, materialism, hatred of law, extremely biased politics that lead to racism and hatred (of whites especially) etc.
All drugs are generally bad unless practiced in extreme moderation or they are weak like caffeine. The kinds of drug use talked about in rap songs is usually self-destructive, it comes with the terrority of trying to show how tough you are. And regardless it’s not really a deep or meaningful subject. And obviously drug dealing is even worse.
“Not really sure what relevance this statement has. Did you think WAP was promoting having STDs or something? You should probably listen to that song again.”
No, I’m saying the lifestyle promoted by a lot of rap leads to STDs.
“Is that your opinion or objective?”
It’s objective. Rap is the only genre that prioritizes lyricism over instrumentals and singing. It takes actual intelligence to do. Not just impressive motor function like a guitarist or some ‘innate’ ability like a singer with high range.
“Sounds like you are contradicting yourself.”
Haha, it doesn’t sound that way if you can understand proper English.
“You don’t realize how ironic that is”
I don’t know who you think you’re talking to, but I completely see through your bullshit. Your pseudo-intellectual posturing is fooling no one.
“Rap is worse on average.”
Citation needed.
“low-time preference, whoring/pimping, sexism, vanity, materialism, hatred of law”
None of these are negative values in any objective sense.
“selfishness, greed”
This is just incorrect, and you’d know that if you ever listened to more than 10 rap songs.
“All drugs are generally bad unless practiced in extreme moderation”
So most drugs aren’t generally bad, then. They can just be used in the wrong way, and drug abuse obviously isn’t something strictly in the realm of Hip-Hop culture. And drug dealing is only bad when you’re dealing bad drugs, so it can’t be ‘even worse,’
Even then, it’s not like there isn’t a large number of rappers that are anti-drug culture anyway.
“No, I’m saying the lifestyle promoted by a lot of rap leads to STDs.”
Which, of course, still doesn’t make any sense, but I understand you need to cling to anything you can to justify your stupidity.
“It’s objective. Rap is the only genre that prioritizes lyricism over instrumentals and singing. It takes actual intelligence to do. Not just impressive motor function like a guitarist or some ‘innate’ ability like a singer with high range.”
False. Folk music and country music often prioritizes lyricism. Creating music is just as G-loaded as writing lyrics.
“Haha, it doesn’t sound that way if you can understand proper English.”
You have an attitude problem.
“You don’t realize how ironic that is”
“I don’t know who you think you’re talking to, but I completely see through your bullshit. Your pseudo-intellectual posturing is fooling no one.”
Bro, I don’t care about being an intellectual. I made fun of RR numerous times for speaking through citations instead of like a normal human. You are just throwing out baseless insults, while mine are warranted.
You seem to mistake having confidence in my claims and explaining them as being pseudo-intellectual.
“Citation needed.”
Already explained.
“None of these are negative values in any objective sense.”
And that’s why black communities have such little poverty and murder, and theft.
“selfishness, greed”
“This is just incorrect, and you’d know that if you ever listened to more than 10 rap songs.”
Yes really sensitive wordsmith Kendrick Lamar is so self-critical and has such a rich inner world.
“So most drugs aren’t generally bad, then. They can just be used in the wrong way, and drug abuse obviously isn’t something strictly in the realm of Hip-Hop culture. And drug dealing is only bad when you’re dealing bad drugs, so it can’t be ‘even worse,’”
I think you misread what I said.
“Even then, it’s not like there isn’t a large number of rappers that are anti-drug culture anyway.”
Yes the fact that they are anti-drug is a sign of how stupid the general rap community is. Normal people don’t have to scream in every song how bad drugs are unless their community is constantly abusing drugs. A lot of rock songs are about drugs because young white people use drugs. But usually they are not about drug abuse or avoiding drugs but simply drug experiences. Because they use them more responsibly.
You don’t understand how the schizophrenic attitudes of rappers on “be insane and get high” and “don’t do drugs and stay in school” shows that there is a lack of general self-control that constantly needs to be reinforced. You are anti religious so you should understand how religion is often a crutch for people who suffer from addiction.
“Which, of course, still doesn’t make any sense, but I understand you need to cling to anything you can to justify your stupidity.”
The sexual practices of blacks lead to STDs and unwanted pregnancies.
“Folk music and country music often prioritizes lyricism.”
This is incorrect. Not really sure why you’re making stuff up. I mean, I do know, but I think your response will be hilarious.
Country nor folk music utilizes multis, internal rhymes, double/triple entendres, worldplay, metaphors, and analogies to the extent that rap music does. A much higher VIQ is needed. Source: I listen to all three regularly.
“You have an attitude problem.”
You have a stupidity problem.
“You seem to mistake having confidence in my claims and explaining them as being pseudo-intellectual.”
You’re either an idiot or a liar. If your confidence is indeed genuine, then that means you’re too dumb to understand why you’re wrong.
“Already explained.”
I’m waiting.
“And that’s why black communities have such little poverty and murder, and theft.”
Not really relevant. One of the points I was trying to make earlier is that the subject matter of rap songs is a result of their living conditions not the cause of them. Similarly, the content does not reinforce the “culture.”
It’s like gun control. If you give me a gun, my first instinct isn’t to suddenly start shooting up schools. Likewise, if I’m listening to Eminem rap about raping and killing his mom, I’m not going to start looking at my mom funny.
“Yes really sensitive wordsmith Kendrick Lamar is so self-critical and has such a rich inner world.”
Yup. More so than any other modern artist.
“I think you misread what I said.”
I didn’t. You just don’t understand the point because low IQ.
“But usually they are not about drug abuse or avoiding drugs but simply drug experiences. Because they use them more responsibly.”
Citation needed.
“The sexual practices of blacks lead to STDs and unwanted pregnancies.”
Still doesn’t tie into WAP, but nice try, I guess.
“Country nor folk music utilizes multis, internal rhymes, double/triple entendres, worldplay, metaphors, and analogies to the extent that rap music does. A much higher VIQ is needed. Source: I listen to all three regularly.””
You don’t seem to understand… any lyrical music can do those things. Just because rap emphasizes them doesn’t mean they don’t do them. One type of lyric usage =/= the only type of lyric usage. I never argued extent. Obviously given rap is subtracts melody for pure rhythm it will utilize lyrics.
You also can’t claim that a higher VIQ is needed for making a specific type of lyric than another type of lyric. It depends on what you want the lyric to evoke.
You’re telling me Johnny Cash, Bob Dylan, etc. don’t emphasize lyrics? That’s the whole point of a lot of folk music because it often has barren production and not very orginal chord progressions or even melodies. Punk music is often also primarily lyrical, like Bad Religion, NOFX, etc. The difference is they also have a melody.
Furthermore you said rap was the most unique, which of all possible claims is probably one of the most impossible to prove objectively. Furthermore unique does not mean good.
“You have a stupidity problem.”
Says the communist who cries over racism on an HBD blog.
“You’re either an idiot or a liar. If your confidence is indeed genuine, then that means you’re too dumb to understand why you’re wrong.”
This does not move the conversation forward, at least if you insult me try to make it relevant to the topic.
“I’m waiting.”
Use the scroll button, bucko.
I’m not doing some white supremacist alt-right theorizing. Rap is worse on average for pretty obvious reasons:
It literally subtracts one element of music (melody in the vocals) and adds nothing. (Yes I’m aware that some rappers sing. That means it is not pure rap and means it is also not any different from Pop).
It has some of the most vulgar and anti-intellectual lyrical content, despite emphasizing lyrics.
Many popular rap songs have extremely simplistic repetitive stripped-down instrumentation or “beats” that would not meet the standards of other genres.
And furthermore, it is no surprise that the lowest average IQ group is representative of this genre of music.
“And that’s why black communities have such little poverty and murder, and theft.”
“Not really relevant. One of the points I was trying to make earlier is that the subject matter of rap songs is a result of their living conditions not the cause of them. Similarly, the content does not reinforce the “culture.””
Yes it is, because some of the content reinforces the culture. Yes some rejects gangster culture. But just as much rap glorifies it by bragging about it or simply directly stating it is good. And even a lot of the criticism of gangster culture often puts the blame on other people and stating they don’t have a choice, thereby giving blacks in the inner city no reason to think they can reasonably get out. It states that you will always be pushed down by the system and you must either sell crack or become a basketball player. So even intelligent rap pushes these negative stereotypes.
Furthermore you could not name me one genre as popular as rap with a lyric in a famous song like “187 with my dick your mouth, bitch”. These types of lyrics happen regularly.
“It’s like gun control. If you give me a gun, my first instinct isn’t to suddenly start shooting up schools. Likewise, if I’m listening to Eminem rap about raping and killing his mom, I’m not going to start looking at my mom funny.”
Yes… but you’re forgetting some people do. Some people are crazy schizos who think music is talking to them. And some people also get unconsciously influenced by music. And especially when these same messages are being pushed repeatedly across many songs and other pop music.
“Yes really sensitive wordsmith Kendrick Lamar is so self-critical and has such a rich inner world.”
“Yup. More so than any other modern artist.”
You don’t listen to enough music. A lot of young girls making indie music are just as sensitive and connected to their trauma as little Mr. Lamar.
“I didn’t. You just don’t understand the point because low IQ.”
Again you just insult without any meaning but insult.
“But usually they are not about drug abuse or avoiding drugs but simply drug experiences. Because they use them more responsibly.”
“Citation needed.”
Purple Haze. Under the Bridge. White Rabbit. etc. Notice how these songs aren’t explicitly telling you drugs are bad, mkay. They are describing trippy experiences or drug use using metaphor (of course not to the extent of rap the holy lyrical grail of fat stacks and blunt rollin’)
“Still doesn’t tie into WAP, but nice try, I guess.”
If you don’t see the connection between gross stuff like Mopping a wet ass pussy or any other similar lyric and the lax attitude about sexual safety among urban blacks, you may be (to quote a rap song) “insane in the membrane.”
“Just because rap emphasizes them doesn’t mean they don’t do them.”
The point is that rap emphasizes them the most. So, no, you’re the one who doesn’t seem to understand.
“most impossible to prove objectively.”
It’s really not. As you said, rap is rap because of its rapping. No other genre utilizes any of the lyrical devices I mentioned previously to the extent that rap does, but nearly every genre of music has some guy on an instrument and another singing some melody.
“Says the communist who cries over racism on an HBD blog.”
Hahaha, my point exactly.
“This does not move the conversation forward”
I’m not trying to. I’m just insulting you because it’s funny to shit on you.
“Use the scroll button, bucko.”
Still waiting.
“(Yes I’m aware that some rappers sing. That means it is not pure rap and means it is also not any different from Pop).”
Rap has always utilized singing, so this is nonsensical.
“Yes it is, because some of the content reinforces the culture.”
Simply saying “na uh” when I correct your misconceptions perfectly encapsulates why you’re an idiot. It doesn’t really matter what I tell you; you’re going to believe what you want because you’re a low-IQ racist.
“You don’t listen to enough music”
I listen to more music than you. This conversation has proven that.
“Purple Haze. Under the Bridge. White Rabbit. ”
That’s not what I mean. I’m asking you to substantiate your claim that rock artists do not make ‘anti-drug’ songs because their listeners don’t abuse drugs.
It’s obviously incorrect, anyway. Have you ever been to a bluegrass festival? I have never seen so many coke heads in my life.
“you don’t see the connection between gross stuff like Mopping a wet ass pussy”
It’s okay if you’re gay, Lurker. I may think you’re stupid, but I won’t judge you for being a homo.
There just isn’t a connection. You can glorify sex without getting STDs. They are not mutually inclusive.
“The point is that rap emphasizes them the most. So, no, you’re the one who doesn’t seem to understand.”
You said it was unique, but if we are talking emphasis every genre is unique. Theres no reason to pick and choose specific elements like wordplay.
This goes back to your incorrect views on objectivity and context.
“It’s really not. As you said, rap is rap because of its rapping.”
If there’s an objective measure of musical “uniqueness”, that’s not it.
“No other genre utilizes any of the lyrical devices I mentioned previously to the extent that rap does, but nearly every genre of music has some guy on an instrument and another singing some melody.”
Yes but you can’t claim “most unique”. Everything is unique and everything emphasises certain things more than other genres. You claimed it was most unique, and it isn’t.
Slayer for instance, often has screaming (like most Death Metal) without melody, but I wouldn’t say that makes it more unique.
“I’m not trying to. I’m just insulting you because it’s funny to shit on you.”
Stop reinforcing the stereotype that brown people defecate everywhere.
“Rap has always utilized singing, so this is nonsensical.”
That’s not the defining quality of rap. Stick to the point. “As you said, rap is rap because of its rapping.”
“Yes it is, because some of the content reinforces the culture.”
“Simply saying “na uh” when I correct your misconceptions perfectly encapsulates why you’re an idiot. ”
Dude that’s all you do. You’re like a parasite on conversation.
“It doesn’t really matter what I tell you; you’re going to believe what you want because you’re a low-IQ racist.”
But yet you keep coming back.
“Purple Haze. Under the Bridge. White Rabbit. ”
“That’s not what I mean. I’m asking you to substantiate your claim that rock artists do not make ‘anti-drug’ songs because their listeners don’t abuse drugs.”
I’m talking about the extent, like you are about lyricism and rap. It’s a matter of degree.
“It’s obviously incorrect, anyway. Have you ever been to a bluegrass festival? I have never seen so many coke heads in my life.”
You’re talking about very specific events, and 99% of white people don’t listen to bluegrass.
“It’s okay if you’re gay, Lurker. I may think you’re stupid, but I won’t judge you for being a homo.”
Again, I simply have standards for women. I understand r-selected hedonists don’t get that.
“There just isn’t a connection. You can glorify sex without getting STDs. They are not mutually inclusive.”
It’s how they portray sex, not mentioning sex itself.
“That’s not what you said. You’re shifting goalposts because I corrected your misconception.”
Kill yourself. What do you think money represents? Here is what I meant by price according to definition number 2 in google:
“an unwelcome experience or action undergone or done as a condition of achieving an objective.
“the price of their success was an entire day spent in discussion””
Price = cost.
“As a communist society you’d make decisions in the same way any democratic society would. You vote on it.”
How is that different from what we have now and how does that
“Wait, so you think all labor has the same socially-necessary time required?”
Does communism not assume every person has the final say in how they enact their labor? How do you think people decide what labor they do? If other people have a say, that is exactly the system we have now.
“No, not in a communist society.”
Yes. Because someone can kill another person, or simply just be lucky or born smarter and able to pass on their genes, survive or strive, etc. That’s how it works in the wild, and there’s no reason to think it doesn’t still work that way except on a much more complicated and mutually beneficial way.
““Anarcho-communism” is a redundant term. There are no class hierarchies or a state under communism. Name me some examples of countries that you believe are or were communist.”
Most of the ones you’d probably think I’d say like China or Russia. And again, you can say they weren’t communist, that’s not my point, the point is they tried to implement it and some of the people had correct intentions (if you believe they don’t you have to prove that). I believe your conception is one that is impossible in actuality and self-contradictory so of course you’d say no country I say is communist.
Re: Communism
Why do you keep jumping all over the place with your replies to me? Just keep it simple.
“Here is what I meant by price”
I know what you meant. My criticism still applies. There is no money in communism, so things wouldn’t have value in the way that you believe.
“How is that different from what we have now ”
Well, one is a communist society, and the other is capitalist, lol.
” that is exactly the system we have now.”
Uh, no.
“Because someone can kill another person, or simply just be lucky or born smarter and able to pass on their genes, survive or strive, etc”
What relevance is this? Do you think laws don’t exist under communism? Do you think if you’re faster than me at building chairs, you will suddenly be in a higher class than me?
“conception is one that is impossible”
Why?
Re: Rap
“Theres no reason to pick and choose specific elements like wordplay.”
I’m not picking and choosing. All of the elements I mentioned earlier are what constitute lyricism, and this is true across all genres.
All genres are unique in their own way in the sense that they may utilize different instruments or talk about different subjects. Old country may use a lot of steel guitars and somber lyrics, while metal uses fast-paced guitar riffs and angry rhymes. Similarly, Rap likes drums and bragging about how they’re the shit, and you’re not, but it goes beyond that. It adds a whole other dimension that is non-existent in other genres. Rap fans will argue over who is the better storyteller, Slick Rick or Biggie, who has the most multis, Eminem, K-Rino, or Big L. Who has the best wordplay, Lupe, Kendrick, or Chance? No other genre does this. When I say ‘extent,’ I don’t literally mean that there is this spectrum where country music lyricism is on one end, and Hip-Hop is on another. There is just something fundamentally different about the lyricism in rap compared to other genres. Waylon Jennings wasn’t worried about making multi-syllabic rhymes or double entendres, even if he emphasized lyricism over instrumental complexity.
“Stop reinforcing the stereotype that brown people defecate everywhere.”
You should get off 4chan because that isn’t an actual stereotype in the real world.
“That’s not the defining quality of rap. Stick to the point”
No one said it was, but you can’t say that rap isn’t rap if there is singing present when singing has always been in rap songs. I am sticking to the point; you’re just bad at logic.
“You’re like a parasite on conversation.”
Then stop responding.
“But yet you keep coming back.”
I think you’re confused; you’re the one spamming your stupidity all across the blog. You just can’t get over the fact that Loaded and I like rap music. You’re a pretentious dumbass who can’t handle people not agreeing with your stupid opinions. You’re literally having a conversation about us with another user.
I mean, we can stop right now. I’ll go ahead and give you the final word just so you can feel like you won the conversation.
“You’re talking about very specific events”
It’s just an example. White cokeheads are common at any festival.
“I simply have standards for women.”
LOL, I guess a woman having a wet pussy is below your standards, huh? Damn, I feel bad for any woman you get with.
>You’re literally having a conversation about us with another user
You’re in an open comments section, a place for randos to talk about Oprah and HBD related topics, and calling someone a low-IQ racist for not liking rap. It’s not such a big deal you baby.
“I’m not picking and choosing. All of the elements I mentioned earlier are what constitute lyricism, and this is true across all genres.”
Lyricism consists of more than rhyming or wordplay, it also consists of the pitch of the lyric which emphasizes certain aspects, the velocity (loudness) of any syllable, the placement and development of lyrics over the course of the song, the story told by the lyrics, the specific imagery evoked by each sentence/word in tandem with the music, etc. There are so many ways lyrics and music interplay beyond that which rap fans commonly discuss or rap emphasizes.
“All genres are unique in their own way in the sense that they may utilize different instruments or talk about different subjects. Old country may use a lot of steel guitars and somber lyrics, while metal uses fast-paced guitar riffs and angry rhymes. Similarly, Rap likes drums and bragging about how they’re the shit, and you’re not, but it goes beyond that. It adds a whole other dimension that is non-existent in other genres. Rap fans will argue over who is the better storyteller, Slick Rick or Biggie, who has the most multis, Eminem, K-Rino, or Big L. Who has the best wordplay, Lupe, Kendrick, or Chance? No other genre does this. ”
But no other genre other than rock has as many people talking about guitar solos, no other genre other than progressive rock/metal has people talking about the number a type of time signature changes involved or the stories in the concept albums, no other genre than jazz has people talking about the specific way each improvised solo fits within the standard, no other genre than death metal talks about the strength of the vocalist’s cookie monster vocals, country music has twang and authenticity, ska has that specific beat and trumpets, etc.
Rap is unique, but not necessarily most unique nor does that make anything good even if true. The ability of fans to argue over it is more of an extraneous element, as well, which doesn’t make the music itself better or worse. There are unique types of approaches all fans have towards specific genres. And again, rap is not the only music with complicated lyricism, it just has very specific lyrical elements. Which I’m arguing do not outweight the negatives.
“When I say ‘extent,’ I don’t literally mean that there is this spectrum where country music lyricism is on one end, and Hip-Hop is on another. There is just something fundamentally different about the lyricism in rap compared to other genres. Waylon Jennings wasn’t worried about making multi-syllabic rhymes or double entendres, even if he emphasized lyricism over instrumental complexity.”
But again, there’s something fundamentally different about every genre I can think of.
“You should get off 4chan because that isn’t an actual stereotype in the real world.”
It has spread beyond 4chan, since I never use 4chan.
“No one said it was, but you can’t say that rap isn’t rap if there is singing present when singing has always been in rap songs. I am sticking to the point; you’re just bad at logic.”
Missing the point.
“Then stop responding.”
Will do.
“I think you’re confused; you’re the one spamming your stupidity all across the blog. You just can’t get over the fact that Loaded and I like rap music. You’re a pretentious dumbass who can’t handle people not agreeing with your stupid opinions. You’re literally having a conversation about us with another user.”
It’s not a conversation about you, it’s about the topic.
“I mean, we can stop right now. I’ll go ahead and give you the final word just so you can feel like you won the conversation.”
Thanks.
“It’s just an example. White cokeheads are common at any festival.”
And black murderers and thieves are also common in any inner city across the world where they exist.
“LOL, I guess a woman having a wet pussy is below your standards, huh? Damn, I feel bad for any woman you get with.”
My race is not littered with AIDs and abortion so that’s a plus.
“calling someone a low-IQ racist for not liking rap.”
Yeah, that’s not what’s happening here. You should actually reread the conversation slowly because your interpretation of events is heavily skewed. I could care less whether someone likes rap or not.
He’s a low-IQ racist because 1) he’s racist and 2) he has a low-IQ. These things are true regardless of his opinion on rap.
Case in point, his most recent comment demonstrates that he still doesn’t get the point. But instead of refuting his false equivalencies and other stupidity, I’m just going to let him simmer in his anger. He’ll probably look back in a few years and realize how dumb his arguments were. Or maybe not.
>I could care less whether someone likes rap or not.
Is that an objective or subjective opinion?
>You should actually reread the conversation slowly because your interpretation of events is heavily skewed
>He’s a low-IQ racist because
I don’t trust your own assessment. It’s not objective and you repeatedly make statements, like these, that’s fundamentally pure opinion stated with the expectation of it being taken as fact.
>Case in point, his most recent comment demonstrates that he still doesn’t get the point
This might sound simple, but it could be the case that he just disagrees with you, and that your point even when understood isn’t enough to change his opinion.
These 2 guys have severe identity issues Lurker. I get that the jewish media doesn’t promote fillipinos or pakistanis per se…but the answer isn’t to worship the most degenerate sub culture possible. The jews made that movie Straight Outta Compton and expected millions to watch a bunch of street thugs get famous (jews decide who gets famous). Obviously it went nowhere.
These 2 clowns have so little self esteem, they tagged along and decided they wanted to be ‘gangstas’.
Unlike these two young idiots I remember what the reception to rap was like at the start in the 90s. To this day, country music outsells rap in America and yet the media focuses totally on blacks and their ersatz friends like these 2 idiots.
Nope. Hip-hop has the highest consumption of any genre of music in the US.
https://www.zippia.com/advice/music-industry-statistics/#Music_Industry_Statistics_by_Music_Genre
across the world people rap and try to be like blacks. blacks are the most revered people in the world. youre just an idiot for thinking otherwise.
Low quality entertainment for the low-quality masses.
Also, the category was R&B/Hip-Hop, and that genre has far more white and brown artists than rap does, and basically coincides with Pop so much I’m not even sure what Pop is. Ed Sheeran and Justin Bieber might be considered R&B. Also there are many hispanic rappers like Daddy Yankee or Pitbull (who also are probably pretty white but they identify as hispanic so rapping is cool again).
You can basically include Country and Rock as nearly 100 percent white or near-white (especially the writers) and probably most of the other genres as well. Shows the diversity and creativity of white people.
Also remember all the black rappers are 24% white. And probably more for the famous and skilled ones. Also remember, there are less European descended people than there are blacks around the world, or Chinese in China.
Not that sales mean quality but thinking about these statistics is interesting.
“Re: Communism
Why do you keep jumping all over the place with your replies to me? Just keep it simple.”
WordPress, I have no idea if it’s even my fault.
“Here is what I meant by price”
“I know what you meant. My criticism still applies. There is no money in communism, so things wouldn’t have value in the way that you believe.”
Things have value, you don’t know what I believe. If you assumed I was specifically talking about money, and I wasn’t, why do you think you know what I believe?
“Well, one is a communist society, and the other is capitalist, lol.”
Parasite to conversation.
” that is exactly the system we have now.”
“Uh, no.”
How is it not?
“What relevance is this? Do you think laws don’t exist under communism? Do you think if you’re faster than me at building chairs, you will suddenly be in a higher class than me?”
Did I say laws won’t exist?
“Why?”
Holy shit, that’s what I explained.
Apparently, Oprah is endorsing Fetterman. It may be too late to have a noticeable effect, though.
Either way, it’s a good test of how much influence she actually has.
I’m not really familiar with Fettermen’s policies, but anybody is better than Oz. He’s basically another Trump. A celebrity that’s a known con man.
Fetterman is a strange guy. He’s a liberal elite masquerading as one of the people. He endorsed Bernie so he seems ok.
I wouldn’t call him an “elite”, but he’s definitely not a prole.
He’s Harvard educated so hes an elite.
Suffice to say, if you think the average black is as capable of making good art as the average white or Asian (or any other group that has been proven to be more capable of creating a good civilization), and you also don’t believe some cultures can be objectively better, or that some values are objectively better (as in, they are more universizable, less self-contradictions, have greater benefits vs. drawbacks, have greater depth and breadth of meaning, etc. anything a conscious being would value), and you are prone to follow passion over rationality, you won’t see why rap is not worthy of being worshipped. The language you use for rap is one of reverance.
Browns seem to be attracted to rap because of the liberal narrative, tribalism, and low IQ. (Low IQ whites are less prone to like rap because rap hates them). Just like they vote for democrats, just like they do everything else you can imagine has nothing to do with rationality or long-term thinking but simply seeing other brown people as their group.
Also, saying whites can’t rap is retarded because… US Blacks, the most prominent rappers, are on average 24% European. Drake is half-white. Light-skinned niggas litter the Hip-Hop landscape.
And Melo doesn’t call out LOADED when he says whites can’t rap, despite it going against Melo’s worldview, because he’s hypocritical or thinks LOADED is stupid. But pointing out inconsistencies or immorality is not your habit, being a liberal and brown ally is. I assume more self-reflection would exist in someone who frequents an HBD blog.
It’s great when someone corrects someone else, but when they ignore far more egregious incorrect statements by others and target a specific person, you are no longer dealing with a rational interlocuter but someone who is more likely to post stuff that suits their narrative (as I’ve said). Of course, honest people don’t repeat leftist talking points. Everyone is capable of rationality here but the more you have to work through their biases the less you can actually talk about the point of the discussion.
And the point is: Rap, on the whole, does not deserve the respect it gets.
“Melo doesn’t call out LOADED when he says whites can’t rap”
I don’t call out Loaded on anything because he’s emotionally unstable. It’s not worth the effort. This is what I mean; you have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about. You are only capable of seeing the world through your alt-right lens.
I’m nice to people on this blog. The only exceptions are Philo and Mugabe because they are evil people. Before I left, there were no exceptions; I was an asshole to everyone. Even RR. And I regret that because I don’t think it’s necessary to be that confrontational, and so now I look at these discussions as a way to learn rather than debate. You were not an exception; however, once you started saying vilely racist shit, you became one. Now, I understand this is an HBD blog, so I expect some level of racism to be thrown about, but I have limits before I start getting pissed off.
And as much as I’d love to ‘make up,’ it isn’t happening until you gain the self-awareness to understand that your opinions on other cultures are not objective.
at least i am not as emotionally unstable as Lurker and Pill. two very insane individuals.
“I don’t call out Loaded on anything because he’s emotionally unstable. It’s not worth the effort. This is what I mean; you have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about. You are only capable of seeing the world through your alt-right lens.”
Right, so I’m explaining why I’m giving you less effort and simply calling you a moron.
“I’m nice to people on this blog. The only exceptions are Philo and Mugabe because they are evil people. Before I left, there were no exceptions; I was an asshole to everyone. Even RR. And I regret that because I don’t think it’s necessary to be that confrontational, and so now I look at these discussions as a way to learn rather than debate. You were not an exception; however, once you started saying vilely racist shit, you became one. Now, I understand this is an HBD blog, so I expect some level of racism to be thrown about, but I have limits before I start getting pissed off.”
Viley racist? I only mirrored what you or LOADED said to me, which was a personal attack. Other than that I’m pretty polite.
You have a grudge against vaguely conservative whitey, as Philosopher said.
“And as much as I’d love to ‘make up,’ it isn’t happening until you gain the self-awareness to understand that your opinions on other cultures are not objective.”
I wasn’t trying to make up with you, I’m sorry you got that impression.
Your opinion that systemic racism is real is also not objective, yet it doesn’t stop criminals being let free and towns being destroyed by the lowest class minorities and their low class majority friends. That’s self-awareness.
Lurker there were no personal attacks on you and Melo and I have critiqued your vision of a white world. put it to rest already.
He called me a racist piece of shit and probably other insinuations I’m forgetting. Racist is par for the course but piece of shit is just rude. Moreover it implied I’m somehow oppressing RR’s unborn child just by making posts on an HBD blog even though I had a long conversation with RR and there was no such attacks by me, in fact I don’t want to know anything personal about a person I’m debating something with, it’s tainting.
But revering criminals who die because of their own actions like rappers is pretty stupid. I said that nonblack brown people tend to like rap, and it’s probably because they identify as nonwhite and like to flock together rather than support their own specific identities (which I call r-selected behavior because it favors blind group loyalty rather than merit), and that seems to be correct. I don’t know how many nonwhites prefer rap compared to whites, but I guess it’s probably significantly higher even in nonwhites with no African heritage. That being said I just think the tendency of minorities to stick together to hate whitey is definitely objective, and probably seeps in to adopting elements of black cultures (like Mexican gangs or rappers).
“I’m explaining why I’m giving you less effort”
This has absolutely nothing to do with what I originally was addressing. You made a dumb comment based on your poor ability at reading intentions, and I’m simply correcting you for it. Take the L and move on.
“Viley racist?”
Yes, vilely racist. That’s just what you said before the conversation turned ugly. I can point out more if you’d like. But I’m sure you’ll give some half-assed logic about why you think these statements aren’t racist.
“Your opinion that systemic racism is real is also not objective”
It is because it’s backed by evidence and is independent of your thoughts and feelings on the matter. Want me to post some?
“You made a dumb comment based on your poor ability at reading intentions, and I’m simply correcting you for it. Take the L and move on.”
I was correct though about why you responded to me and not LOADED.
“Yes, vilely racist. That’s just what you said before the conversation turned ugly. I can point out more if you’d like. But I’m sure you’ll give some half-assed logic about why you think these statements aren’t racist.”
That’s not racist. Are you an idiot? That is what HBD is. You make generalizations.
“If these rappers were not immersed in higher-trust, more intelligent K-selected societies and benefactors of enormous affirmative action most of them wouldn’t be able to be as successful as they are.”
HBD claim. Generalization. They are in more intelligent societies = simple HBD claim. Evident by the lack of any interesting and great art except where Africans are immersed in whites.
“It doesn’t make them “real” or “deep”. It doesn’t mean blacks are especially good at music despite being bad at most other intellectual pursuits (or noble despite committing so many crimes).”
They commit more violent crimes. Literal fact. Not racist.
“They continue the bullshit cycle by promoting the same gutter culture and creating baby mommas cuz they muhfuggin iced out and skeetin on crackheads giving them ballin’ dome
“Your opinion that systemic racism is real is also not objective””
I’m critiquing the shitty culture. Not even about the race here.
“”It is because it’s backed by evidence and is independent of your thoughts and feelings on the matter. Want me to post some?””
You can do whatever you want.
“I was correct though about why you responded to me and not LOADED.”
Early signs of dementia.
“That’s not racist.”
Ah, it seems my prediction was correct.
Go on and win your nobel prize with your proof of systemic racism and how communism has never been achieved.
Hahaha. God, you are so dumb.
It’s not my job to figure out what you find racist and what you find acceptable HBD opinions. Convo is give-and-take and you take like a invasive parasite.
Communism has no way to find the correct price for something because no mechanism of free trade.
Communism assumes people can agree on what is fair, which is obviously stupid.
Communism assumes everyone’s labor is equal, yet still wants to control what labor people perform, which is self-contradictory.
Communism leads to a weaker state that easily gets crushed by stronger one willing to actually engage in free trade (This is literally why you commies believe the US can crush all 3rd world communist revolutions).
Etc. Etc.
“Communism has no way to find the correct price.”
Under communism, there is no money.
“Communism assumes people can agree on what is fair, which is obviously stupid.”
Do you think Democracy and Capitalism are mutually inclusive?
“Communism assumes everyone’s labor is equal”
Lol, where does it assume this?
“Communism leads to a weaker state”
There is no state under communism.
“Under communism, there is no money.”
There is value/utility in any system. People need things, and these things have value.
“Do you think Democracy and Capitalism are mutually inclusive?”
I’m not sure what you mean by this. I’m saying we don’t agree on what’s fair or what we value so we have to negotiate value, and communism implies that we agree on what everyone needs or what they can do.
“Lol, where does it assume this?”
Labor theory of value
“There is no state under communism.”
There are always those with power, and those with power always form hierarchies and control others.
You could say there is no state now, it’s just an amalgamation of different people in different jobs which we agree to pay.
The point is that groups gather together and stronger groups can overcome weaker ones and coerce them, not specifically states.
Again, you should rethink your idea of apparent anarcho communism because both anarchy and communism have shown to never last (or even exist in your view).
“There is value/utility in any system.”
That’s not what you said. You’re shifting goalposts because I corrected your misconception.
“I’m not sure what you mean by this.”
As a communist society you’d make decisions in the same way any democratic society would. You vote on it.
“Labor theory of value”
Wait, so you think all labor has the same socially-necessary time required?
“There are always those with power”
No, not in a communist society.
“Again, you should rethink your idea of apparent anarcho communism”
“Anarcho-communism” is a redundant term. There are no class hierarchies or a state under communism. Name me some examples of countries that you believe are or were communist.
Rap does deserve the respect it gets and then some. it is a skill and an artform and is far better than anything than whites can do as an artform!
also whites cannot rap. this is objectively true. you deny it because you think you can rap. you cant. especially not better than any the average black can.
Drake is half white, plus US blacks are nearly a quarter white. So Drake is probably at least 62% white.
Can you explain what make blacks able to rap? Not in vague terms like “charisma”. What genetically gives them the ability to rap? Is it because stupid behavior suits stupid people? Because you think blacks are stupid but masculine, so they are dancing noble negros for you?
rap requires a lot of low latent inhibition which blacks have mastered. they can connect things that are shallowly represented by making stronger associations between them!
also blacks are very good at music in general. they have better rhythm better able to carry a tune etc. imo and they can take this to their advantage when bringing things like that in combination with their low latent inhibition.
they are dynamic with their wordplay and they understand how to construct rap “bars” as theyre called in a way that sets them up to rhyme the best.
there are a lot of characteristics of rap blacks would be better at im just not articulate enough to define them and put them into a neat space for you!
“rap requires a lot of low latent inhibition which blacks have mastered. they can connect things that are shallowly represented by making stronger associations between them!”
Yes they can make stronger associations, but most of the work is done in the surrounding nonblack culture which they might amplify. Also, they are prone to saying things that don’t make sense unless they talk about very simplistic, animal-level things like sexual dynamics. (You have to be intelligent to make proper connections otherwise you’re just a loud propagandist)
“also blacks are very good at music in general. they have better rhythm better able to carry a tune etc. imo and they can take this to their advantage when bringing things like that in combination with their low latent inhibition.”
I think there are a huge amount of blacks who don’t have rhythm or good pitch, but obviously you don’t hear about them.
But low latent inhibition is a good point. Human infants can belt like Celine Dion, but most older people have trouble doing that because of learned habits that restrain ourselves, which probably are lessened in blacks (in addition to being more confident).
“they are dynamic with their wordplay and they understand how to construct rap “bars” as theyre called in a way that sets them up to rhyme the best.”
I don’t think they are dynamic, I think they are better at making people believe they are dynamic maybe (they lie more easily for one). A lot of freestyle is stuff already memorized or basically easily replaceable chunks. There are lots of whites like Trump who are incredibly dynamic while sounding more intelligent.
Also a lot of blacks either have deeper voices, or attempt to speak more deeply and confidently, which people reflexively respect as usually a large adult male has been either/both the most feared and most competent in any society.
But I agree a lot with what you’re saying makes rap or black music appealing, I just think it’s kind of surface level and not really meaningful.
Why does it have to be genetically reducible?
Because LOADED said whites can’t rap which implies geneticism. If he wanted to imply culture he would say something like Westerners can’t rap or something more specific. Also LOADED mentioned that blacks are unique as a race.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_population_by_country
12 million american are eligible for israeli citizenship supposedly.
that’s 6% of the “white” population.
Interesting video on Jewish IQ. He implies Ashkenazi IQ could be as low as 103 and white American IQ could be as high 104.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/RGhem5RR2XLV/
The Jewish IQ advantage is cultural.
Even if so it helps absolutely no one when we have no real boundary between subjectivity and objectivity or a detailed definition of the mechanism for aquiring cultural knowledge.
this guy (and jordan stupidson) doesn’t get that there is no reason to assume the SD is the same for jews and wypipo.
it could be smaller. it could be larger.
but as ashkenazi jews are much more homogeneous than europeans…they are supposedly descended from less than 1,000 people 800 years ago…
hereditists should expect a much smaller SD for ashkenzi jews.
also the chess champions thing is a LIE.
because smyslov and spassky were included and their jewish ancestry was in fact NIL.
i know from judaism. it is the “study study study” religion. if any religion was/had been eugenic…it would be judaism.
i LOVE this guy’s closing. it’s what i’ve said a bajillion times.
my own experience, my lived experience is confirmed by that vid.
1. jews are VERBOSE. they have the “gift” of SAYING a lot. just like southern italians.
2. they are irrational. they have nothing to say. just like southern italians.
3. their math ability isn’t for math in general. just like southern italians.
halmos, a hungarian jewish mathematician commented on this. there’s a sort of math nordics and chinapipo excel at vs a sort meds excel at. namely the areas requiring visuo-spatial ability vs the purely abstract.
…less than 1,000 people 800 years ago…
might have been…
…fewer than 1,000 people 800 years ago…
the problem comes with big numbers.
it’s not just a matter of discrete vs continuous.
so less than 10 is UN-grammatical.
but so is fewer than a billion.
as chomsky has said “there is still no complete grammar for any language.”
Yeah I suppose the SD for Ashkenazim could be different, if they also have certain neurological diseases than they might as well have different SDs.
also judaism was and is a “this world”-ly religion.
jews say so themselves.
ALL other religions are NOT like this.
you can’t take it with you.
VS
what does “with you” mean?
ALSO obviously…
the normal distribution which fits the sample population may not fit jews.
it might be there’s a CLUMP of jewish geniuses and the rest of jews are average.
for example.
pipo say: mugabe…comrade!…your ancestors have been in ‘mer’ca for so long why haven’t they accumulated so much wealth it’s insane?
mugabe: good question…but none have…because “financial literacy” isn’t always inherited.
for example: my most recent immigrant ancestor, my mom’s mom’s father…dude had 11 chirren…what a freak!
he came over from liverpool…where he also had 11 chirren…
how many children do you have Mug?
if immigrants were rich in their home shitholes they wouldn’t be immigrants.
sad.
True. I don’t know why immigrants give white people advice when they can’t get their own affairs in order. Hypocrisy defined.
Even if you want to argue that somehow white colonization is keeping third world poopholes from reaching their Wakanda-like potential, the fact that they can’t resist or remove the colonization means they have no right to tell whites how to resist their own government pressures. Remove thine branch from thine eye.
the real reason i love rap is i know no south asian woman will ever lay down with me so i have my sights set on a black woman.
this is the same reason melo is into rap.
black women will have sex with anyone.
sad.
this is not even me. this is fucking Mug. how could you post this Pumpkin!?
wtf. lol.
sorry super busy & sleep deprived. Barely reading the comments.
i apologize.
i should’ve said “lie down with” not “lay down with”.
what a prole!
I knew it. Its the same with RR. He’s only into rap and this woke shit because he’s horrible with women and needs a black woman to get off. Glad you were honest for once loaded.
thats not even me you fucking idiot Pill.
you are so holier than thou and self righteous like all the other whites here Lurker. this is not good. work on it….for the sake of your sanity!
On a blog where Oprah’s cranium size is being evaluated and her IQ estimated from it, and comparing it to other black women = not racist, not offensive. Make a comment about one of the most vulgar and anti-intellectual genres being made by low IQ black individuals = racist. Say blacks have 15 less IQ points than whites = not racist. Say they couldn’t create art by themselves that they are proven to literally not have invented the technology necessary for that art = racist, bigoted, xenophobic.
Wokism is one hell of a drug!
I can say with complete certainty that although Philosopher is on drugs, Mugabe posts black penis and accuses everyone of being a PP personality, LOADED has a hair-trigger temper, they are all smarter than Melo. Melo is probably as smart as RR but RR is a far kinder person and tries to educate.
He called LOADED unstable and the rest of them and me evil, but it is a projection of his own intense self-hatred for being a hapa or whatever. He needs anger management.
Peeps dear,
I want to ask you a few questions not related to this article but to this site.
Who is your favorite commenter here.?
Who is your least favorite commenter.?
Who did you learn from the most.?
Who did you teach the most.?
Which commenter do you have most fun talking/debating with?
Who had the best debating skills?
Who do you think is the smartest commenter based in their comments/ or who do you think makes the smartest comments?
Atleast answer some of the questions if you don’t want to answer all of them.
I wish melo would be more specific.
>If these rappers were not immersed in higher-trust, more intelligent K-selected societies and benefactors of enormous affirmative action most of them wouldn’t be able to be as successful as they are.
True, but can be quibbled. I have no understanding of his politics so I’m not sure if there’d be a substantial difference between my and his perspective on this.
>It doesn’t make them “real” or “deep”. It doesn’t mean blacks are especially good at music despite being bad at most other intellectual pursuits (or noble despite committing so many crimes).
Subjective. The rap I’ve listened to isn’t something an “alt-right” leaning person could connect with. If it’s political it’s left-leaning. Even the white guy he linked to implicitly assumes whites need to defend themselves. A more raw take would be a demand for blacks to be grateful, “not justifying your actions to the enemy” is a common theme. Anything that agrees with the common leftist idea of morality can’t be that right-leaning.
>They continue the bullshit cycle by promoting the same gutter culture and creating baby mommas cuz they muhfuggin iced out and skeetin on crackheads giving them ballin’ dome
Melo’s response is accurate, if a quibble. Blacks would rap about things that they’ve experienced and are interested in, yes, but this perpetuating the cycle isn’t necessarily true. Do violent video games perpetuate violence? I guess it’s more complicated than that since committing violence isn’t considered a high status thing for most people, or something that everyone who plays video games does.
Maybe it’s because you’re shitting on rap for being everything you consider to be bad behavior, and by proxy of having a generally negative view on blacks by way of disliking their culture that’s racist. Depends on the definition of racist.
Following that, Loaded calling you retarded for wanting blacks to act like whites makes sense. But I don’t see anything substantial in this slap fight.
“True, but can be quibbled. I have no understanding of his politics so I’m not sure if there’d be a substantial difference between my and his perspective on this.”
Again this is obvious given that blacks haven’t invented the technology or musical techniques and knowledge that is utilized in American black music, nor have they built any society that resembles white society.
“Subjective. The rap I’ve listened to isn’t something an “alt-right” leaning person could connect with. If it’s political it’s left-leaning. Even the white guy he linked to implicitly assumes whites need to defend themselves. A more raw take would be a demand for blacks to be grateful, “not justifying your actions to the enemy” is a common theme. Anything that agrees with the common leftist idea of morality can’t be that right-leaning.”
I’m trying to argue that it’s not subjective. People tend to forgive idiocy and horrible morality in rap music because the individual is black that they wouldn’t with a white person. I’m saying most rappers are left-leaning and see through a racist/selfish lens, though they think they are simply objective (because that’s how brainwashed they are).
Enjoyment is subjective of course but on objective elements I think the bias and lack of intellectual curiosity is evident in rap compared to popular nonblack genres like rock music. Rap is explicitly about lyrics so if anything it should be the most meaningful and self-reflective music lyrically but it so often falls short.
“Melo’s response is accurate, if a quibble. Blacks would rap about things that they’ve experienced and are interested in, yes, but this perpetuating the cycle isn’t necessarily true. Do violent video games perpetuate violence? I guess it’s more complicated than that since committing violence isn’t considered a high status thing for most people, or something that everyone who plays video games does.”
It’s not about perpetuating the cycle though I’m sure it doesn’t help. Rap lyrics being the symptom or the cause of black culture is not my point. I’m just showing how even though rappers are lauded as geniuses who speak truth over any other genre yet they clearly lack self-reflection or deep knowledge about reality or society.
“Maybe it’s because you’re shitting on rap for being everything you consider to be bad behavior, and by proxy of having a generally negative view on blacks by way of disliking their culture that’s racist. Depends on the definition of racist.”
Good point, at least you explain it. But the worship for blacks in rap betrays an othering and bigotry of low expectations that is just as racist.
But I’m not saying rap is bad because blacks are low IQ, I’m saying rap is bad because of X reasons which happen to correlate with low IQ culture, and the way they praise rappers uses language that corroborate that low IQ expectation. “Realest” “Most Gangster” “High verbal IQ” etc. It’s separating out and viewing blacks through the lens of HBD as much as I am.
“Following that, Loaded calling you retarded for wanting blacks to act like whites makes sense. But I don’t see anything substantial in this slap fight.”
Blacks acting white is probably not possible if hereditarianism is true, but blacks complaining about dying and having bad family lives and violence and drug abuse could just as easily come from the culture they propagate as it can be caused by the system keeping them down. Yet instead of taking the advice to “be more white” so that their own lives will be better, they need to be contrarians and exacerbate the problem.
I don’t want to slap fight but you either respond to insults or try to ignore them and get called a “pseudo-intellectual”
Also I’m aware that proving any genre objectively better, if not theoretically impossible, is impossible in practice. But LOADED and Melo etc. often praise rap in ways and act as if it is objective. So, in the same vein, I’m offering clear objective reasoning why is an inferior genre.
I’m trying to look at it from an angle that gives Melo’s arguments weight. So far all I’ve seen is browbeating from him.
To be fair, it’s pedantically correct browbeating. Which is the most annoying way of talking to someone. Which is why he does it.
>I’m trying to argue that it’s not subjective
>Also I’m aware that proving any genre objectively better, if not theoretically impossible, is impossible in practice
>So, in the same vein, I’m offering clear objective reasoning why is an inferior genre
You can state facts but the moral interpretation of these facts has to be subjective.
Yeah I kind of understood what you were doing but I also wanted to respond to those arguments since I thought they were as good or better wordings of what Melo said (with less insults), and since PP has to manually approve comments it’s easier to respond to anyone with any arguments than wait for the person I was originally arguing with. That’s also why I “try to read intentions” as Melo was claiming, it’s not because I want to show I can predict people’s behavior and say “Oh you’re a minority or a liberal so you think X” but more that I want to move on the conversation since it takes a long time with manual comment approval.
“You can state facts but the moral interpretation of these facts has to be subjective.”
Yes you’re definitely right about that, although I believe in objective morality. The impossibility of proving the inferiority overall of some genre is why this convo has veered in communism and other stuff. But mostly I wanted to state rap was inferior because of the subtraction of melody, the bad lyrics, and the stipped down instrumentation and boring form. These seem like natural lower IQ changes to Western music, and sound more like traditional African music. The lyrical flourishes that is sometimes evident in rap is not any different from poetry in technicality, and doesn’t change the fact that subtracting the melody without adding anything else in particular can only be viewed as a downgrade. And my point was further that minorities ally with blacks despite not sharing any common history but being brown, evident of media brainwashing or some form of brown tribalism.
“To be fair, it’s pedantically correct browbeating. Which is the most annoying way of talking to someone. Which is why he does it.”
I agree and this the first extended conversation I had with him, I don’t think it will happen again.
Melo and LOADED are under the assumption that I’m trying to convert them into hating rap or black people, I’m just trying to hear their arguments. I didn’t think I would change RR’s mind either about the inherited element of IQ, intelligence being measurable, and intelligence differences correlating with physical differences. One can’t prove the inferiority of certain art since like you mentioned it would probably require agreement on objective values. Obviously post-modern anti-art has some value in some contexts.
But one should wonder about the complexity, and various idiosyncrasies between the music of different people if one is on an HBD blog. People should question why they like what they like, especially if they know about evolutionary biology, but just from a purely logical and deterministic standpoint as well. And it’s the same with people who just say “everything in art is subjective”, well then, why do we like art? Acculturation again? So is there not something to be said for art that packs more of what we are acculturated to like into one artform? So then is not subtracting melody from significant portions of the song objectively a worse experience? Or is it simply a different experience? But then why not listen to audio of poop splashing in a toilet on repeat if art is equal? What is it that makes us interested in art, simply novelty? So wouldn’t then more novel experiences in the art make it better? Or is it novel experiences with a structure? etc.
You have Melo saying art doesn’t effect the audience, and then RR saying people learn socially. Apparently acculturation doesn’t work through art?
My argument that rap is generally inferior because it is made by people with lower IQs is obviously begging the question about low IQ. And also that lower IQ necessarily means worse art. But the complexity of the art and it’s impact on the complexity of the artist is just another HBD or simply philosophical question.
NOTICE “lurker” is jewish or italian.
“NOTICE “lurker” is jewish or italian.”
Nope. I’m actually not a verbally tilted person at all. Although in recent years I have worked on it a lot.
>One can’t prove the inferiority of certain art since like you mentioned it would probably require agreement on objective values
I think it’s primarily cultural, and culture derives itself from acculturation, the non-cultural environment in which someone is surrounded by, and from the “rule set” that biases our perception of reality, and this rule set is malleable, variable, and can be selected for. It lies on the intellect but human level intellect is a recent adaption so it’s not very sophisticated. Chess is easier for a computer to get good at, walking around or seeing and adapting to the world are more complicated cognitive abilities that’re harder to solve.
Something can only be inferior in comparison to something else for a specific reason and only within a “local area/context”, it’s not an intrinsic attribute that any concept or object holds. RR’s F&PP quote applies to my understanding of this.
https://pumpkinperson.com/2022/10/17/evolution-progressive-a-thought-experiment/
>People should question why they like what they like, especially if they know about evolutionary biology, but just from a purely logical and deterministic standpoint as well
I largely agree.
Lurker like many others here just want the last word. they dont care about intellectual discussions only if they win!
sad! really sad! its awful that people can go their whole lives with such a stupid mindset.
“I think it’s primarily cultural, and culture derives itself from acculturation, the non-cultural environment in which someone is surrounded by, and from the “rule set” that biases our perception of reality, and this rule set is malleable, variable, and can be selected for. It lies on the intellect but human level intellect is a recent adaption so it’s not very sophisticated. Chess is easier for a computer to get good at, walking around or seeing and adapting to the world are more complicated cognitive abilities that’re harder to solve.”
But we can say that we value being a human more than being a bird. We don’t know what a bird is like but we assume it a far more meaningless existence than ours. So given greater context, we can label lesser contexts (ones of lesser complexity, meaning, or ability to find satisfaction and pleasure). The fact that we think we can choose better or worse paths for the future shows that we understand some contexts are better or worse. Of course this is within the greater context of our specific reality, but this is exactly the context in which we argue about with art.
A context where pleasure can be felt is innately more meaningful and hence superior than one where it can’t, as through any subjective lens such a context is better since it innately makes the subjective lens a better experience. So from subjective experience can come objective factual judgment on contexts.
“Something can only be inferior in comparison to something else for a specific reason and only within a “local area/context”, it’s not an intrinsic attribute that any concept or object holds. RR’s F&PP quote applies to my understanding of this.”
I agree about context being required, but I disagree about context only being local. because I think there is 1. a context we all share, called reality, which has specific facts and laws, and 2. there are things objectively true given any universe or context where music or any particular art and an observer exists (such as conciousness, logic, time, space, mathematics, symmetry, meaning, etc.)
>but I disagree about context only being local
The extent of a local area is arbitrary, but I should not have said local.
I kept it vague for a reason, I don’t necessarily disagree with anything you’ve just said.
Mugabe believes a lot of stupid stuff. One of the stupid things he believes is that jews are not smarter than whites.
LIE!
they have higher test scores. why would anyone deny that?
i just don’t agree it’s all because muh genes ‘n’ sheeeit yo!
AND
“smarter” in their case mean higher VIQ.
everything else they suck.
everyone knows there are super smart jews.
i’ve just never met any.
the jews i’ve met however have been very ENERGETIC.
white gentiles micro-dosing meth = ashkenazi jews.
and then there’s this vast population of “white trash”. walmart pipo.
1. this is an anglo-sphere phenomenon.
2. in israel where ashkenzi jews are 35% of the population i expect this “trash niche” is filled by a lot of them.
Well the question is how much smarter and in what way… and to what degree are their personalities different which makes them more hierarchy hopping or education seeking.
^^^FALSE!
1. the minority always fears the majority, even if it’s been well treated. this is human nature.
2. fear and hate are the same.
3. the minority may deny this because he is unaware of it. humans are at least as opaque to themselves as to others.
4. thus when a minority has any power it is detrimental to the majority. this is true of the minority donor class as much as it is of an ethnic minority.
worse than this is:
1. jews have not always been treated well by europeans or christians.
2. they are pathologically ethnocentric.
3. they have obscenely disproportionate power for their numbers.
4. thus disaster.
no conspiracy theory necessary.
“1. jews have not always been treated well by europeans or christians.
2. they are pathologically ethnocentric.
3. they have obscenely disproportionate power for their numbers.
4. thus disaster.”
no conspiracy theory necessary.”
What? No. 2 is what I’m saying about their psychology. How is that a conspiracy theory anyway?
A conspiracy is thinking they are stupid but do well because Rothschilds own the banks and control every aspect of the deep state.
^^^LEARN TO READ!
i wasn’t talking about YOU.
i was making the very META point that…
man is NOT the rational animal. he is the RATIONALIZING animal. he is driven by forces he himself is often only dimly aware of if at all.
“why did so and so do such and such?”
is equivalent to…
“what explains all of so and so’s behavior?”
is in general NOT equivalent to…
“what did so and so say his reason was?”
life is unimpressive for a variety of reasons. there are so many problems i cant even begin to wrap my head around it.
the whole system is broken. people who are supposedly succeeding are the unhappiest sort!
depends on what you mean by “believes”.
anyone who thinks floyd was killed by the police is too stupid to be allowed to comment.
but there are many other possibilities. including that the floyd and chauvin in the video are still alive and free.