Despite having slightly higher IQs and slightly more (relative) brain mass, East Asians are considered less creative than whites. How can this be? I see three major reasons.
Social Organization
As humans marched up the evolutionary tree from our tropical ape roots to the frozen tundra of Siberia, we became more orderly (as Rushton noted). This required more mentally stable conformists, less rebellious psychotics combining ideas in strange ways and questioning the leader.
Patriarchal society
As humans migrated North, women were forced to stay home and raise babies while the men did the hunting. The problem with relegating women to this domestic role is that East Asian brain size superiority is entirely driven by women. East Asian men actually have smaller (absolute) brains than white men, but East Asian women dwarf non-Mongoloid women in brain size.
This makes sense because Peter Frost notes that polymorphisms for the gene CASC5 increase brain size in women, are especially common in East Asians, and became prevalent in the ice age:
Cold, seasonal environments did impose new cognitive demands on early modern humans, first by increasing their need to plan ahead over a yearly cycle and second by providing them with new tasks: garment making, needlework, weaving, leatherworking, and kiln operation. Women performed those tasks because the environment offered them few opportunities for food gathering—the usual female activity before the advent of farming. They thus moved into artisanal tasks that not only required greater cognitive ability but also offered much potential for further development. This was the “original industrial revolution” and it was led by women
But since the World only sees male ideas for the most part, East Asian creativity is less visible.

The final reason why East Asians are not as creative as you’d expect given their slightly higher IQs is that creativity (independent of IQ) is overrated. Think about wikipedia’s definition of creativity: “Creativity is a phenomenon whereby something new and valuable is formed.” Take away the “new” requirement and that’s pretty much the definition of intelligence. While other races are creating something NEW and valuable, East Asians are smart enough to know it’s the valuable part that has value (by definition), and thus don’t waste time reinventing. This is as more highly evolved and efficient problem solving approach.
And ultimately, if an idea is valuable, it’s probably also new because the laws of supply and demand assign more value to that which is rare. At the highest levels, intelligence and creativity become indistinguishable because so few people can solve the hardest puzzles that such solutions have seldom been seen before. But when creativity tests allot extra points to original answers to relatively easy questions like “what would use a brick for?” they may be measuring little more than weirdness (“I’d use it to comb my hair”).
As we can see from this scene in CRAZY RICH ASIANS, we have two highly intelligent Asian girls, the one who returned from university with a traditional degree is praised. The one who did something original with her life, is mocked as “Asian Ellen” (LOL! now that line was creative! )
You have to look at new things that can be combined and when where who is combining them. Philosophy is dead Jordan Peterson makes known. But so in the east. something is happening. People are finding something new. In religion.
as long as exposure is limited new kinds of flowers bloom. mixtures.
I think the vast majority of people have a hardwired need for religion, or at least for some of the transcendental or world-transforming aspects of basically every religion. People seem to have a need for dogmatic beliefs, too.
Most atheists replace religious belief with some combination of:
(1) I’m want to do something “impactful” that makes the world better.
(2) I want to have a lot of “influence”.
(3) I want to make a lot of money.
(4) I want to sleep with a lot of people.
(5) I want to “self-actualize”.
(6) I want to “take action” and fight/virtue signal for the causes I believe in.
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etc.
Whether a trend towards this kind of thinking is actually beneficial for society is something atheist activists never consider.
With the rise in affirmative action programs, more PhD’s being issued in soft sciences, and the U.S. having a population increasingly composed of lower IQ populations, I wonder if the quality of American scientific research has trended down over the last 50 years or so.
Seems like an interesting question to look in to.
The absolute number of annual PhD recipients has probably increased a lot though, which might offset a decline in the absolute number of high-IQ researchers.
And if the quality of scientific research as a whole has in fact changed, it’d be interesting to see which disciplines have been most affected.
peepee is going to have to come up with more realistic sockpuppets if she wants me to keep commenting.
and she’ll have to admit that she is a negress.
negro IQ falls like a stone after puberty. very sad.
But east asians are creative in Japan and Korea. Your basically only talking about china and I think that has more to do with it being a totalitarian surveillance big brother state that was really poor up until very recently than whether east asians may or may not be innately creative.
Trust Puppy and Mugabe to not be able to define creativity. Puppy consulted the dictionary and still doesn’t know and Mugabe is even worse and says data analytics and lab experiments are creativity. LOL. 99% of people on the street know what creativity is.
https://www.unz.com/jtaylor/black-brutality/
Comment on this article Mugabe. It says stuff I’ve been aware of for years.
Heres my comment. The reality is the black problem i.e. they never evolved for civilisation is really just a facet of the jewish problem i.e. they over-evolved to the point where they dominate whites and force whites not to be tribal in any way.
this personality is so lame.
explain why no mention of his hiv status given:
1. roger ailes was supposedly a hemophiliac. he died from it.
2. supposedly every american hemophiliac born prior to 1983 was HIV+.
3. peepee is a negress.
So you refuse to acknowledge black brutality. Exactly the response I was predicting.
So you refuse to acknowledge…
no. i just refuse to acknowledge that you aren’t peepee.
First one is the one I’d put value in, and it’s not like the idea of women not being known by the world can’t be the result of their agreeable dispositions. Creativity is overrated when outcomes are brought about as common sense dictates it should. New insights are much more likely to be maladaptive ones in an environment that is more or less already figured out, or if an effective strategy was already found and is already heavily optimized, and shouldn’t be pursued by anyone with his head screwed on right. In an environment that’s novel then obviously creativity is not only essential, but also the only strategy that uses anything related to intelligence.
The actual effect of this isn’t the loss of creativity but just the shifting of innovation towards one’s sustainable by a group, which just happens to be slow, if any sort of actual innovation is found. Being sustainable, keeping with traditions that have consistently worked, and seeing that novelty might lead to a different environment and thus is harmful to the immediate health of the group, or just not being willing to take chances, leads to the loss of creativity. I do think it’s fair to say that asians probably look for the value of change first, that even having said all this, it isn’t necessarily the loss of any sort of productive change. I guess the best way to say it is that asians are stiff.
I think general disposition is more relevant to the idea of asians lacking creativity than IQ is. Even if eccentrics just vomit out weird near non sequiturs, that still is conductive to the idea of novelty. Belittling novelty by saying such things might not be seen as having worth to someone reasonably intelligent doesn’t mean anything, that could just be an oversight, it could just be the thought process of someone unwilling to engage with anything new.
Right now it’s better to be stiff than it is to be eccentric. Japs can still produce things of cultural worth, but the west can’t do shit. I don’t know enough about Chinese or Korean culture to be know their specific flavor of asian, although if I were to go by their novels, very little of my thinking about them is good… but that’s obviously not fair.
dumb article. sorry peeps.
WIKI’: “Creativity is a phenomenon whereby something new and valuable is formed.”
A fresh lode of palladium, courtesy of a creative Mother Earth, for example?
Suggested:
Creativity is the capacity to create through the application of intelligence, intelligence being inclusive of intuition, imagination, etc. For one designated “creative”, a propensity toward creativity would be characteristic.
But yeah this is the correct definition.
North East Asian or East Asian?
Lynn defines East Asians & Southeast Asians as 2 different genetic clusters so I never know whether the North is superfluous.
lynn has the downs. sad.
s chinese are clustered with se asians.
it’s only n chinese clustered with koreans and japs.
korean and japanese are language isolates. the languages of se asia are not related to chinese, even though vietnamese inter alia sound like chinese.
the manchus conquered china just like the mongolians. but they lasted. the last emperor was a manchu. the manchu language is unrelated to chinese.
I haven’t read anything earnestly – just cursorily going over things – though I would assume that NE Asians to follow suit: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8926129/
Part of why I’m confused as to what is the actual population and sample.
>East Asian men actually have smaller (absolute) brains than white men
This is corroborated by the data that you have posted, though in more recent comparisons, that trend might only be true in a length + breadth measurement. The maximum rectangular area of chinese male brain (length x breadth) would be a little larger than a caucasian male brain. Though yeah the gap isn’t big and definitely not nearly as big as the female gap between the groups.
Interestingly, according to that ncbi paper I linked in one of the previous threads, among caucasians, the male brain is more oblong than the female brain. And among chinese, the male brain is more rounded than the female brain.
There is conflicting evidence for the cranial capacity stats being referenced.
This study broken down by region and sex is more accurate
Click to access iq-race-brain-size-gender-rushton-intelligence-1994.pdf
Most East Asian regions have smaller cranial capacity than white countries (both male and female in the same proportions), but East Asians are larger than Africa, Middle East, and South Asia.
Only exception is Japan/Korea where the men have about equal cranial capacity (1419 cm3) compared to men in white countries, but the Japan/Korea women are still smaller.
However, intelligence in animals is based on Brain–body mass ratio, not absolute brain size. (Otherwise a sperm whale should be smarter than a human).
If East Asians have a lower height/weight than Europeans, then it may mean they have larger brains in proportion to their body mass.