The first fully modern human skull appears in sub-Saharan Africa about 195,000 years go. It probably belonged to a population with an average IQ around 80. But it was surrounded by archaic humans with IQs in the 70s or less.
It wasn’t until about 70,000 years ago that the second fully modern human skull appears in the fossil record. It seems fully moderns (IQ 80+) were incredibly rare for our first 125,000 years.
About 70,000 years ago, modern humans began a massive exodus out of Africa. Richard Klein believes a sudden increase in intellect allowed this exodus. I believe this exodus is what caused the sudden increase in intellect, because by leaving the tropics, we had to be smart enough to survive the cold, something we hadn’t done in over 25 million years.
By 40,000 years ago, the first humans had reached the arctic and around the same time, real art first appears in the archeological record. The first populations with a mean IQ in the triple digits had appeared:
Some would stay in Europe and become the Whites. Others would freeze further and become 103 IQ Northeast Asians.
Some would cross over to the New World where they became the Native Americans. This tiny group found two whole fertile continents all to themselves that was teaming with Megafauna that had never before been hunted. These huge beasts were so easy to catch that folks didn’t need their triple digit IQs to survive and since the brain is so metabolically expensive, they began to regress to an IQ of 86. A rare evolutionary reversal.
There’s been virtually no further change in human IQ in the last 10,000 years with the exception of Ashkenazi Jews (and perhaps some casts in India) who rapidly evolved to IQ 110 during the last few millennia.
It’s only a small exaggeration to say our species stopped evolving 40,000 years ago.
And yet look how much the World has changed since then. Because of the cultural leap that occurred 40,000 years ago, humans are the only species with an extended phenotype that constantly reinvents itself, even in the face of genotypic stagnation.
Pumpkin Person 
Instead of hypothesizing triple digit IQ populations first appeared in Eurasia 40kya, then with some regressing back to a lower mean IQ due to the metabolic cost of the brain; it is more parsimonious to theorize that triple digit IQ populations didn’t come about until about 10kya, at the advent of agriculture. Cochran and Harpending’s book The 10,000 Year Explosion makes a convincing case of that.
The problem with that is brain size has not increased at all in the last 40,000 years or so. It would be almost impossible for IQ to have increased by 1 SD without any corresponding increase in brain size at all.
Brain size is responsible for like 15% of differences in intelligence among humans. Haven’t brains been decreasing in size? I read that they’ve shrunk since the last ice age ended.
Yes but natural selection for IQ (had it occurred in the last 10,000 years) would have randomly indirectly increased all the causes of IQ.
Yes PHENOTYPIC brain size decreased a lot during the Holocene but rebounded to roughly its ice age size during the 20th century (at least in the developed World). But this appears to be nutritional (analogous to the fall & recent rise of height post-agriculture). No reason to think GENETIC brain size has changed in the last 40,000 years.
“It would be almost impossible for IQ to have increased by 1 SD without any corresponding increase in brain size at all.”
I’m guessing the “almost” part is because there could be other selection pressures on brain size that also changed with the advent on farming, like food quality and time spent outdoors in the cold and in danger from predators?
Do Ashkenazi Jews have larger brain sizes than expected from the admixture that they have(like 50% Middle Eastern Jewish and 50% Southern and Eastern European)?
I’m guessing the “almost” part is because there could be other selection pressures on brain size that also changed with the advent on farming, like food quality and time spent outdoors in the cold and in danger from predators?
Not sure I follow the argument.
Do Ashkenazi Jews have larger brain sizes than expected from the admixture that they have(like 50% Middle Eastern Jewish and 50% Southern and Eastern European)?
I’m going to look into that very question in a future post
pp, you should look for skull size among the elites because they would be the population separation happening not the general public.
Askhenazim have smaller brains than you would expect given their high IQ. It might be because of their ability profile, with higher verbal and numerical IQ having lower volume requirements than higher spatial IQ. I think Rushton theorized that this is why male brains are larger than female brains, and compared it to small, efficient Central Processing Units versus large, power-hungry, Graphics Processing Units.
The question is not whether their brains are big, but rather did their brains increase as a function of their IQ increase
“Not sure I follow the argument.”
For example, suppose lower food quality among farmers than hunter-gatherers increased selection pressure for smaller brains that require less nutrients/proteins at the same time that it increased selection on higher IQ to run efficient farms and navigate higher population densities.
Even if those two effects on brain size cancel out, genotypic IQ would still increase through non-brain size pathways.
Yes that’s a good alternative theory. We know agriculture caused severe malnutrition and we know the brain is metabolically expensive so it makes sense that any indirect selection for brain size via intelligence would be negated by direct selection AGAINST brain size.
And this would also allow us to abandon the awkward theory that Native Americans evolved backwards.
I wish academia ran on adaequatio rei et intellectus, rather than political correctness, so that these kind of questions had enough research resources to answer them, rather than abandoning them to idle speculation by amateurs on the blogosphere.
But brain connectome could have improved.
right pp, genetic iq wold be most important because everyone in the deep past would fail on the wais.
It depends on the subtest
Are you saying you need more intelligence to invent a needle than language…and are you saying the forces that led to the invention of the needle led us to the moon rather than the forces that led to the invention of langauge???
Please answer this PP
Are you going to avoid this ?
Why single out Brahmins? Isn’t that like declaring middle-class whites (in the British context) — who have a 110 IQ average — to be their own race?
It’s not, because caste system isn’t a Gaussian curve. Indians are not homogeneous. Same as Jews having distinct genetics, every caste is genetically distinct.
The genetic differences between different castes in India is much greater than the difference between UK social classes I suspect. David Reich claims the casts are distinct genetic populations.
Whites aren’t homogeneous. Different white social classes & lineages have been preserved for centuries. You can tell who’s working class just from looking at them.
I think Brahmins like to think of themselves as a different race because they’re ashamed of being Indian.
What youre saying is contradictory Jimbob. While one would not be homogenous and the other would with the same level of preservation of genetic differences between social classes would indicate a significant contradiction.
It is what it is though.
“The genetic differences between different castes in India is much greater than the difference between UK social classes I suspect. David Reich claims the casts are distinct genetic populations.”
Can you quote where Reich says this? Did he say this in an interview or his book? Did he directly say this or did you infer this from something he said?
I think he said it in his book and in a lecture, but here’s one source I found from googling:
” Allele frequency differences between groups in India are larger than in Europe, reflecting strong founder effects whose signatures have been maintained for thousands of years owing to endogamy.”
From the abstract:
Click to access 2009_Nature_Reich_India.pdf
The quote seems to imply Indians from different castes are as genetically different as Northern Europeans vs Southern Europeans.
Well answer my question, why is RR allowed back?
He was never banned per se. He just stopped commenting when I started moderating his arguments. 4 years of arguing the exact same points was enough.
We have been evolving fast since establishing agriculture! Best James
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What do you mean? The harsher the environment the better the evolutionary product gets. Agriculture and civilisation remove evolutionary forces and cause regression.
Yes, Hawks, Cochran & Harpending claimed in 2007 that “beneficial genetic changes have appeared at a rate roughly 100 times higher in the past 5,000 years than at any previous period of human evolution” but this sounds impossible given how little morphological change there’s been. I wonder if scientists today agree with them.
Whats the mechanism?
Their argument is agriculture is a new environment & new environments accelerate natural selection, which makes sense, but on the flip side one could say agriculture feeds so many people that selection pressures are relaxed
Selection requires death at the very least…new environment usually lead to that since the species is not adapted to it…but agriculture was a positive move in preventing death, otherwise we wouldnt have done it
I discovered something.
attention = intelligence
specifically internal attention.
Functional surface area is important to this.
How many times have we built civilizations before 12,000 years ago?
zero
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/gobekli-tepe-the-worlds-first-temple-83613665/
Six miles from Urfa, an ancient city in southeastern Turkey, Klaus Schmidt has made one of the most startling archaeological discoveries of our time: massive carved stones about 11,000 years old, crafted and arranged by prehistoric people who had not yet developed metal tools or even pottery. The megaliths predate Stonehenge by some 6,000 years.
Not considered a civilization
i have a subscription to smithsonian.
i will read in print.
I do not meet the criteria for Autism. The philosopher is just projecting on me what he thinks Autisms is which is inaccurate and biased. I have a mood disorder and am stressed out a lot. My coping style is not Autism. That is dumb and what Philosopher thinks Autism is.
Just recently I had a psychotic episode. Because I have Schizoaffective disorder. I could not tell what was real and what wasn’t. my mood made me seem like I was really drunk but I don’t drink because that would cause interactions with my meds. My balance shifted too much.
I have met homeless people with schizophrenia before and there is a stereotype of the schizo homeless scientists. He was telling me of his nuclear invention by burger king. He drew me a picture. Bt he was incoherent in speech. The difference between him and me is that I am wobbly when I have my episodes. He would be stable in mood when he has his episode. Because of my mood, I think thoughts that aren’t real. They scare me and I do wild things.
Me having psychosomatic symptoms is not Autism. Philosophers cant understand this.
You have severe autism. Your psychiatrist is retarded for not noticing. Hes not spending enough time talking to you.
What you see in me is physicological symptoms pill not psychological deficits in people understanding. That is what psychologists look for. I have good cognitive empathy and you just don’t see it pill. Of course, I have symptoms physiologically but you can’t use that to define autism which is a lack of cognitive empathy.
Not you don’t. You have shit cognitive empathy. Youre are the most autistic person here which is saying a lot.
even more autistic than pill.
sad.
From what it seems to be is that Autism the way the psychologist uses it is cognitive empathy. And has nothing to do with the physiological symptoms I have. Or even that I have psychosomatic symptoms. Face blindness has been associated with Autism. Because this causes low cog empathy.
Physiologically Autism is caused by high-density spins in the brain. But that may not affect cog empathy. It’s just physiological.
Another thing is Autism means Auto. This means a high value on self, self logic. This can happen with or without cog empathy.
If you can have Autism and Cog empathy something is missing. Maybe I faked cog empathy. Or cog empathy has nothing to do with whether I have Autism or not.
Auto self is something I still do. It’s an open question.
In order for cog empathy to work, you need to know what is happening in other minds. I do that fine on average. I can’t write stories well but no one IQ 100 is that good anyway. Unless they are above average in that ability.
So I no more have autisms than the guy with IQ 103.
What I do have are psychosomatic symptoms that make me stuck.
Like Jimmy in South Park who has trouble speaking but is still a great comedian.
Cog empathy is knowing what is happening in another mind. But some can use this to predict what others will do. They have high social intelligence. Autism is a deficit in predictive capability. Mind blind.
i think the point here is that intelligence mainly attributable to natural selection but a lot of the recent (i mean the last 5k years or so) have seen a lot more sexual selection.
this would mean that depending on the society intelligence can drop rapidly or increase significantly going in one or the other direction based on the social pressures at the time.
or it could stagnate but that would happen when pressures for intelligence do not exist as much at least a majority of the time.
like mentioned above genetic IQ is very relevant since nutrition and other environmental factors have deeply hidden the potentials of certain people in the past.
the paragraph above would reliably attribute this phenomenon to whites who living in harsh conditions never met their nutritional needs and therefore invented less.
also another reason why innovation and intelligence cannot be indicative of each other for a lengthy amount of time is that resources that can be utilized to build and innovate are not always there for certain cultures.
this would rely heavily on capital (which slavery would accommodate for tremendously) climate (which is necessary for building things) and material resources that can be extracted under good conditions of capital and climate.
Europe did not largely have this while other regions of the world did thus creating the illusion that the Europeans may have been dumber.
I don’t think a population needs a mean I.Q. in the triple digits, or even above 90 for that matter, to produce the little statue you posted a picture of. For one thing, it could have been the smartest person in the group who made it.
In general they could draw better than we can:
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/cavemen-were-much-better-at-illustrating-animals-than-artists-today-153292919/
At one specific thing which they had more experience with*
Do you think it was harder to draw than come up with language???
drawing is a form of language. A picture’s worth a thousand words.
Well theres no Nobel prize for it is there
I wondered the same.
Pumpkin, this is ridiculous. Compare Taiwan to the Philippines. There must have been substantial evolution in IQ in China over the past few thousand years.
chomsky says that s korea, the prc, japan, and the ussr developed under what he calls “state capitalism” and this is a system the currently poor world has never tried or been prevented from trying.
A lot of these differences might be explained by admixture from Australoids
this is a category mistake peepee. but steve shoe made it too.
man doesn’t just create things with his labor, he also creates himself.
so if you could go back in time with an IQ test like those of today (which would be impossible for the verbal part because languages change) you’d only find triple digit IQs in the neolithic and then only among the rich, the priestly cast, the people with the leisure and material comfort to be smart.
i mean aristotle would be a genius today too.
and contra peepee: it used to be that VIQ was IQ. that is, being smart in a math and science way wasn’t thought of as smart. it’s only with engineering and science becoming academic disciplines that the non-VIQ has come to be a measure of intelligence.
but if you mean, “if some 10,000+ year old savage were transported to today and raised by rr, then they’re just as smart or smarter (bigger brain) than people today.”
Social IQ is knowing what is in the mind and what they see in other minds as well. Anime is drawings but the Japanese understand what is in the eyes of others. Not the ears so much where they are good with languages but they see into the soul. That is why their stories are compelling. We have the Autism in comparison, not the east Asians.
That is why attention is intelligence.
Internal attention is self-consciousness.
IQ is just a measurement it does not mean it’s accurate just that they have a made-up ruler. Based on statistics. It is not absolute like attention is.
is sanskrit an exception?
according to this the first language of ca 25k indians is sanskrit.
i think this must be due to miscommunication between the surveyors and surveyed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_India
dude! i could replace alex jones and his ilk but only for the smart set. there’s no way i could due hour+ shows every day. maybe 1 hour a month. and it would just be in print not me on film. way too introverted for that. i could be like bill buckley, but it would kill me.
Yeah you have that hillbilly conspiracy theory niche all sowed up.
^^^PEEPEE^^^
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Language must be logical for immature people (autistic – small child) but too random it becomes poetry then schizo babble. I can see why pill thinks I am autistic. I structure my language logically and am not fluid. But no more than the average logical person, not the child. I am logical because I am afraid of expressing myself not because I am a blank staring, hardened mind, blind person. I don’t want to say something stupid or hurtful. Logic is by choice and is forced not natural to me. My mind is random and if you have seen my videos I talk funny about real topics not about social gossip.
If you have ever seen a schizo talk and an autistic talk you would know the difference. An autistic person is 100% sure about what they talk about. It is completely ordered and structured in their head. It’s not babble. Just blunt. and wrong. doesn’t fit. but they can’t see it.
So I’m logical by choice and that’s the difference.
autist – schizo
rigid – fluid
ordered – random
blind – hypersensitive
sober – drunk
logic – emotion
slur
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speak (words or speech) indistinctly so that the sounds run into one another.
“he was slurring his words like a drunk”
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my mind feels slurred.
a conspiracy for pill which oliver stone doesn’t believe but which mugabe does.
the russian apartment bombings were a false flag ordered by putin.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_apartment_bombings
It seems like it could be but I don’t have enough info.
It seems like it could be but I don’t have enough info.
Never stopped you before.
I think theres some sort of embargo on economists doing papers on facsist or communist economies and how they actually performed during the 30s and 40s in particular.
and after the fall of the ussr russia first got a lot poorer but since has become at least as rich as it was, but not richer than it would have been had the ussr never dissolved…
and ukraine and some other ex-soviet republics are a lot poorer than they would have been and even than they were.
why does peepee feel compelled to lie about the IQs of streetshitter castes?
i guarantee not a single caste of streetshitter has a mean IQ > 100 in streetshitterstan, and jains and parsi aren’t hindu castes.
by peepee’s logic christian arabs are smarter than jews becayse israeli christian arabs are smarter than jews.
it’s called selective immigration peepee- the lying retard.
by peepee’s logic black africans are smarter than jews, because the ones who move to the US are smarter than jews. they are the single best educated group in the US supposedly.
but when you discover peepee is lying she won’t post your comment and then lies about lying.
i guarantee not a single caste of streetshitter has a mean IQ > 100 in streetshitterstan, and jains and parsi aren’t hindu castes
No ethnic group would have an average IQ > 100 if born and raised in India, not even Ashkenazi Jews. Being born & raised in the 3rd world subtracts almost 1 SD of IQ and height.
by peepee’s logic black africans are smarter than jews, because the ones who move to the US are smarter than jews. they are the single best educated group in the US supposedly
The difference is, the castes in India are genetically isolated enough to qualify as different ethnic groups perhaps as genetically different from each other as Ashkenazi Jews are from white Gentiles.
I’m not saying there necessarily are any high IQ Indian ethnic groups, but Cochran noted that the Parsi have a similar profile of neurological disease & overachievement.
wypipo also have superior esprit de corp. this is a matter of sociobiology. it’s hard to get wypipo to buy in, but once they do, they’ve already won, unless they’re fighting other wypipo. and business is war.
Steve Sailor won’t confirm or deny whether he is an anti-vaxxer or not. I think its almost biblical now that if you lean right wing in your social opinions you have to think the vaccines are a scam.
what mugabe gets that you don’t is there is no year zero, and a fortioro it’s not the year of your birth.
ideology, morality, etc…we’re all inundated with a tsunami from the past.
but some people think they can breathe underwater.
local in time: we’re all a product of the mass media we consume.
after mugabe looked at mining cos he looked at steel cos.
infrastructure is mostly just steel and concrete, concrete and steel.
so if you look at the top 50 steel makers in the world the most remarkable thing is how most of them are state owned enterprises (SOEs) of the PRC.
so you can’t buy shares in them.
there are three of the 50 which might be good investments. one brazilian, two russian, all three “integrated” which means their high margins may be due entirely to their mining segments which in the russian cos’ case includes coal…steelmaking requires coal.
SID, novolipetsk, and severstal may be shitty investments, but they’re the best investments in steel makers, according to me, myself, and i.
IF I was black I would never ever be fired. No matter how bad I was.
What good is a job when your assets are worthless?
https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/19/homes/black-homeowner-home-appraisal-feseries/index.html
this is because of de facto segregation.
as bret weinstein has correctly observed, “blacks have reason to be angry, but they’re angry about the wrong thing. their problem is past discrimination not present discrimination.”
They should be angry at both (if they are dark skinned & born before 1960), but they should also be angry at their genes.
This just isn’t true. Black people are frequently the first to be fired. Not last hired interestingly enough. If political correctness is as powerful as people say, it seems that it operates well enough in good times but people won’t sacrifice their livelihoods for it.
Basically if you are an east asian or white man you are swimming against the tide in the jewish economy we have.
I’ve considered converting to judaism nominally just to get rid of my diversity problem. Does anyone know what the process is?
What about all the non-Jewish people who hate blacks?
Wtf are you talking about? Blacks are basically worshipped in western societies.
A few spectacular blacks are worshipped (and hated for it) but racism still looms large:
https://news.stanford.edu/news/2010/july/hands-craigslist-study-071910.html
what about all the jews who hate blacks?
fucking retard.
what about all the jews who hate blacks?
According to pill they advance them anyway.
Cuz they consider them more tractable than Whites. Doesn’t mean they like them. They just hate/fear them less.
Blacks are hated by those below the upper-middle class, while those in or above that social stratum nominally worship them but spare no expense to live as far away from them as possible.
if you have the twin experiences of being sober (or not) around drunk people and the experience of being drunk around sober (or not) people…
you will know:
1. drunk people make you uncomfortable…but…
2. if you transcribed what they say…that’s usually not what makes you uncomfortable…
it’s the drunkenness itself which makes you uncomfortable.
of course, drunkenness has yuge moral tsunami from the past, but…think of all the parallels in the perfectly sober…like the “wrong” accent or diction…
“drunkenness has yuge moral tsunami from the past”
I have low self-esteem
I feel terrible as a person
A failer
I have no friends and don’t know what to do with my life
I should not care if pill thinks I have autism but I care what others think too much
If people think I have autism they might not think I am capable in some way
But that is their problem, I just want an objective answer not pills antisemitic opinion
I have emotional problems but pill has delusions,
I can be rational against the irrational pill is being right now.
The only thing you can say about me and Autism is that I get stuck and am not fluid. I have the same empathy as any normal person pill.
I’m not mind blind
No you don’t. Youre so bad you don’t even know it.
If you don’t know what is happening in my head pill then most likely you don’t know.
You just have delusions of people being autistic. You can’t tell any real difference.
Philosopher you are a fucking asshole! btw i am applying to New York Life and will be making more money in the finance sector than you ever have!
guess whose alt i am btw.
hint: Philosopher I think youre an extreme mangina with a small penis no sex appeal and a considerable amount of mental illness. if you get this wrong your social IQ is zero.
Mangina is my word. People always take my words and phrases right Puppy….thaaatthh matth senttth!
Do you have data on newborn head circumference by year, PP?
No, the closest I have is age 1:
https://pumpkinperson.com/2018/08/29/increase-in-u-s-head-circumference-1978-to-1991/
Why?
Thanks. For evidence of devolution
Indians and other Asians have the lowest self awareness. how do they score higher on IQ tests if this is the case?
i dont think a Chinaman is even smart enough to recognize the difference between love and hate what they gonna do when the johnnies jump the gate?
“Some would stay in Europe and become the Whites. Others would freeze further and become 103 IQ Northeast Asians.”
The ones who stayed in Europe didn’t pass on much of their genes to modern day people living anywhere. The northernmost groups of people during the coldest part of the last glacial maximum, freezing the most, either became dead ends (due to various reasons) or are most represented in modern Native Americans.
“There’s been virtually no further change in human IQ in the last 10,000 years with the exception of Ashkenazi Jews ”
According to Michael Woodley British average IQ in Victorian times was around 113. This was because of a demographics process describedy by Richard Clark (survival of the richest).
What has been happening since civilization even currently is creation of more and more of people on extreme high end, via people of high IQ reproducing mostly with other people of high IQ for more and more generations.
i don’t think so
“According to Michael Woodley British average IQ in Victorian times was around 113.”
Let me guess: He obtained this figure by applying some convoluted statistical techniques to one of Francis Galton’s samples which was not representative of the general population of Victorian England, but rather only of its upper or upper-middle classes?
And he’s assuming that whatever reaction time measure Galton used is comparable with today’s measures and further assuming any difference must be genetic (and not say caused by people today being less physically fit)