For years I have dreamed of making the most culture-fair IQ test possible and then venturing into the Australian Outback, the African jungles, and the Canadian arctic and testing the natives. Sadly, the coronavirus has derailed those plans from happening, but I was excited to read about similar research published by J.W. Berry in 1966 and 1971. Berry tested five different “races” (Scotts, Eskimos, New Guinean aboriginals, Australian aboriginals, the Temne), each reared in two types of environments (Traditional vs Transitional) on at least three different tests (Khos Block Design, Embedded Figures, and Ravens Matrices).
Ethnic group | Traditional environment Khos Block Design | Traditional environment Embedded Figures | Traditional environment Matrices | Transitional environment Khos Block Design | Transitional environment Embedded Figures | Transitional environment Matrices |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Scotts | IQ 97 | IQ 92 | IQ 92 | IQ 97 | IQ 97 | IQ 97 |
| Eskimos | IQ 91 | IQ 92 | IQ 82 | IQ 97 | IQ 96 | IQ 90 |
| New Guinea (Indigene) | IQ 59 | IQ 41 | IQ 39 | IQ 84 | IQ 87 | IQ 81 |
| Australian aboriginal | IQ 73 | IQ 81 | IQ 71 | IQ 78 | IQ 83 | IQ 75 |
| Temne | IQ 57 | IQ 41 | IQ 33 | IQ 62 | IQ 49 | IQ 36 |
The absurdly low IQ of some groups on some tests highlights the challenge of creating “culture fair” tests that give credible results. While the low scores on Block Design might be explained by a combination of genetics and severe malnutrition (Sierra Leon men are 2.82 standard deviations shorter than their Black American counterparts), the sub-50 IQ means on Embedded figures and sub-40 IQ means on Matrices leaves little doubt that at least those two tests are culturally biased.
Pumpkin Person 
Does Pumpkin Person knows what “culture fair” test is? the first sentence suggests that not much.
It’s a test where people of the same intelligence but very different cultural backgrounds score the same on average
Same intelligence?
exactly?
A population adapted to survive in a minimally anthropomorphized environment, of course, could not have the same capabilities as a population that has been adapted to live in “civilization”. Comparison between apples and pears. The best universal “test” of Intelligence would be to compare how well adapted each population is if the adaptation that is the most basic component there.
Some factors could be relevant, for example, the level of social harmony, level of knowledge about the environment in which they live and the intrusion of magical thinking in the cultural system of adaptation, in harmony with the environment… Still, we would need to stick to the most basic if we are to make a more universal comparison.
Eskimos’ scores are surprising high assuming they’re as far removed from western education as the other groups.
Inuit =/~ saami =/= aboriginal australians
Indeed. The traditional eskimos had only 0.4 years of western education compared to 1.7 years of Arabic education traditional Temne averaged.
Two factors, in addition to quantitative and categorically qualitative values, are important for human intelligence: the type of the individual’s most constant interests and his proficiency on them. There are many high IQs that dedicate their lives to interests that are not intellectually stimulating, not to mention those who are interested in intellectual issues, but are unable to understand them as they should, objectively and more precisely. On the other hand, there are people with low or avg cognitive abilities, for example, most autistic people, but who dedicate much of their intelligence to intellectually stimulating interests. Think of people of high IQ who are more concerned with social issues (for their well being) as well as with distractions, sports, for example.
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Sad!
Fluid vs. crystallized intelligence is a big factor here. Is there any disparity between the two when testing these groups?
It seems as though all the tests you mentioned, Pumpkin, were indeed fluid tests. Are there remarkable differences in scores between crystallized intelligence tests (can there be culture-fair crystallized tests to begin with?) and fluid intelligence tests?
Autism can be defined by three main characteristics. One is rigidity in thought as opposed to fluidity in neurotypical people. That is why creativity and empathy can be difficult for these people.
Another is literalism, a subsector of rigidity, really, where an individual will think in literal terms rather than figurative or imaginative.
Finally, we come down to general obsessiveness, which is why I liken autism to OCD and schiz to bipolar. People with autism seem to obsess over things and will forge a mental framework where their obsessions become targets for future-oriented decision-making.
I’m sure there are more but these are three characteristics of autism that can define the disorder well.
I cannot even work at McDonald’s I am that slow. The only job I had was as a janitor. Fluid intelligence is good for keeping track of many things and putting them together. But on simple tasks it takes time. Imagine If I could take everything together and combine them at rapid speed. Even though I can hold everything in my head I do it sequentially and less in parallel. I hold stuff in parallel but I don’t do things in parallel. I used two fingers to type this message so even though my reasoning is complex I am 5 times slower at putting it together like this. Some people would not reason so well yet put it out there super fast. And some would reason better and put it out really fast.
There is a bottle gap in me. My sister’s IQ is 92 yet she can sell insurance and make tons of money. And I can’t even work are McDonald’s and my IQ is 112.
I do one thing at a time. But can keep track of alot.
This creates a funnel effect. Narrow and broad.
Imagine a huge dump truck that goes 5 miles an hour.
I am always working on problems in my head.
Ideas emerge fully formed after weeks of concentration.
Concentration is a good word to describe my thinking.
It is not extroverted but takes time.
I make sure I am thorough in what I do.
Wait are you sure your sister has a 92 IQ? That’s like a 20 point difference. Is that even possible? Isn’t it something like 1-3 points between siblings?
No the average IQ gap between siblings growing up in the same home is 11-12 points.
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one reason for street shtting in shitholes is plumbers never show up.
Pumpkin, if hispanics have a lower verbal than performance, would it be billinguality or education? But even then, the same discrepancy exists between hispanics of higher education- there is no difference between viq and piq there. However, blacks on average have higher verbal than performance. Wouldn’t these trends suggest some bilinguality stuff. Also, Asians have a large discrepancy too when education is taken into account. For Asians verbal is one point lower than performance, but their level of education suggests that verbal should be higher.
It’s also been empirically proven many times that bilinguals have lower vocabularies in each individual language compared to monolinguals, which will definitely have an impact on the vocabulary subtest.
What is the Asian verbal vs. the performance? What about Hispanics?
Asian verbal is 1 point off, hispanic is 3 points off.
No I mean the actual score, not the difference….
Ive seen a number like 94 verbal thrown around for Asians. Also, Mexico has a 95 RPM score. I dunno how believable that is though since Ive known a lot of Mexicans and theyre not the brightest bunch to be brutally honest.
Hispanics: VIQ- 90.9, PIQ- 93.7
Asians: VIQ- 103.6, PIQ- 104.5
Interesting. Thank you for that Rahul.
Why does the variability of my scores matter?
VIQ 120 PIQ 92
Click to access 2018-ardila-et-al-verbal-intelligence-in-bilinguals-when-measured-in-l1-and-l2.pdf
Pumpkin, I don’t know if this study helps, but here is one study I found.
Pumpkin, please answer this question.
I don’t know how bilingualism affects IQ scores
Is it most likely the case it does? I can only find one study on it which says yes.
People who can speak more than one language very well tend to score higher on IQ tests than people who have technical proficiency ionly n their mother tongue . But that does not mean that knowing more than one language increases verbal IQ, but that those with higher verbal IQ are more likely to find it easier to learn more than one language.
IQists oversimplify human intelligence. Verbal intelligence is not just what tests “measure”. You may be able to speak two languages but not have the same proficiency in what you learned later; you can speak two languages only at the same average level of proficiency; you can have an excellent level of proficiency in your native language but not have the same ability to learn other languages, etc … Polyglottism is strongly related to semantic memory.
There may be an internal g factor for verbal intelligence in which there is a tendency for your proficiency in your mother tongue to be reflected in others. It also has linguistic proximity. Theoretically, it is easier for a Spanish to learn Italian than for a Russian.
I was never claiming bilinguals had lower verbal intelligence, I was asking by which magnitude it would be underestimated on a verbal tests of vocabulary and similarities, because vocabulary size in each individual language is lower than a native speaker (but combine the two languages and you have an equal vocabulary or greater than a monolingual speaker), and similarities because word fluency in bilinguals in lower than in monolinguals, so the verbal reasoning component would be theoretically underestimated.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8882221/Coronavirus-causes-brain-fog-knock-eight-points-IQ-research-suggests.html
I had asserted on Gregory Cochran’s blog that Papuans and other modern hunter-gatherer tribes would have a lower mutational load than those living in the industrial world. I was surprised when shortly after, he commented that I was an idiot for asserting something so preposterous on his blog.
Anyways I think that these groups have specialized abilities that make them better adapted to their environments. It is commonly asserted that Aborigines perform a standard deviation better than whites on visual memory tasks. So they must be doing something right for them to live in such harsh ecologies for thousands of years.
Barrier language?? (I’m not talking about me lol)
Pumpkin, it’s well established that on the PPVT, vocab scores are lower for bilinguals than monolinguals, would this hold true on the WAIS IV vocab test?
I would expect so
https://www.google.com/search?q=iq+differences+between+siblings&oq=iq+differences+bet&aqs=chrome.2.0i457j69i57j0.4868j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
But this thing says 1.5 between siblings. Where did you get 11 from?
My source is Daniel Seligman’s book “A Question of Intelligence”. Your source shows the average IQ ADVANTAGE of first borns vs second borns. That’s very different from the average IQ difference between siblings. For example, let’s say John is 50 IQ points smarter than his younger brother but Dave his 50 IQ points dumber than his younger brother. In this tiny sample, the average IQ gap between first and second borns is zero, but the average gap between siblings is 50 points.
And about the hispanic verbal performace gap, it can’t really be down to education levels, because Blacks and hispanics are around the same, but blacks have higher verbal than performance IQs. Also, assuming higher education does lead to verbal (I’m suspecting this is the case because what’s most valued in society is verbal over spatial stuff), hispanics with college education are still underestimated.
Anders Tegnell: “Yes, we’ve considered umbrellas, but if you look at some places where they are using umbrellas it’s not helping them stay dry at all. The evidence isn’t there that umbrellas work, they may even make things worse”
“Herd immunity” could only work if everyone was infected at the same time … I think.
Pretty hilarious how neurotic and conformist most women are.
I visited my parents today and for a second I slipped up and said something about Danes to my mom. Here’s how it went:
Mom: How dare you! You know plenty of Danes. All the Danes in our old neighborhood loved you.
Me: But I’m talking about the media.
Mom: It’s racist. Stop.
Me: (LOL) But it’s obviously true.
Mom: It’s racist.
…
The girl I dated over the summer was pretty chill but afaict most women are like this.
Said Qanon.
The bigger issue is Unz’s foolish naivete. He claims that nonwhite immigrants “by all indications get along quite well with their white and native-born neighbors,” and he believes that this present “equanimity” will continue in a future America crammed ever tighter with Third Worlders. I’d argue the opposite, that the more Third Worldy we get, the less “equanimity” there’ll be. Just look across the sea. As European nations have increased their immigrant and “refugee” populations, have things gotten better, or worse? Do the newcomers adapt, or do they “terraform” to make their new home as shitty as their old one?
Remember—the Third World is the Third World because of Third Worlders. It isn’t the climate, or the soil, or the latitude and longitude. It’s the people. Third Worlders make new Third Worlds wherever they settle in large numbers. That’s a real and predictable dynamic.
why did you ban pill peepee?
why don’t you disable ads?
Because he needs to find more constructive ways to cope with his closeted sexuality than spamming my blog with graphic comments
I’m genuinely concerned about his mental health.
He’s a completely different person from when he started commenting here.
^this
peepee slater wasn’t here when pill or i started commenting.
I’ve browsed some old comments sections. It’s pretty entertaining.
Swapped out my gravatar for a FaceTime screenshot so Mugabe knows I’m not larping. In profile so i don’t get doxxed.
Obviously not a 30-something from Ottawa.
Can you grow a beard?
no not really
How unfortunate.
rr: all races are equal in intelligence however defined, but men who have to shave twice a day are superior.
Guys who have to shave a lot are probably genetically inferior if you believe evolution is progressive. Less neoteny. They hit puberty too early stunting height & math IQ.
except wisdom teeth.
1. mexican indians have no wsidom teeth.
2. blacks have wisdom teeth.
3. whites have wisdom teeth but often have to have them pulled…unless…they have big heads.
also…
scandis can be quite hairy.
robin williams was an ape and no s european afaik.
I grew to my final height at maybe 14. Facial hair for me grows maybe a little over a week. My math IQ sucks. I am probably inferior.
Hdb chick and his little friends now believe that democratic societies are dealing worse with the pandemic than authoritarian societies. All that HDDs lacks is nuance and the humanities … Most liberal democracies are only superficially democratic, period. Moneycracy, marketcracy or capitalistmafiacracy is what we have.
Hdb chick and her little friends…
In English when you’re talking about a female you say “her” not “his”.
Still waiting my comment here
Peepeee
oprah makes movie about peepee and her family.
in india peepee is rich.
especially for an afro-pakistani woman.
http://www.oprah.com/own-oprahs-next-chapter/oprah-visits-a-familys-one-room-home-in-the-mumbai-slums-video
this is the guy peepee modelled the autism slater personality after.
it fits beautifully in the basement along with the pull-out sofa-bed, pool table and mini-bar. keeping a TV that size anywhere else in the house is prole. You’d know these things if you weren’t.
I have come to the conclusion that most Kenyans suffer from class miss-assignment at birth…Trans rich people experience a period of identity crisis before they come to terms with their true and rich identities. Fortunately, financial reassignment surgery is widely available…The typical cost of a trans rich transition usually includes ‘faking it’ expenses incurred in the years before surgery, during which copy-cat behaviour therapy and living full-time as a pseudo rich person is recommended…
Mug of Pee is trans-upper class.
The last pill avatar is HIS real face? Expecting my comment Pipi…
These all seem to be like non-verbal test names. What are the overall estimates for the Eskimo verbal IQ vs non-verbal IQ?
Pp answer this pls
The only real problem I can see with IQ tests is so-called “test-anxiety” of sorts in relation to the ability to come up with clear, concise answers in a test and non-test setting.
For example recently I saw in the news something about sending a graphic designer a task to complete in which the graphic designer purposefully misunderstands the scenario and makes it as literal as possible.
When doing this naturally without any knowledge that the graphic designer is going to create something literal its easy to think of things that easily alterable in a picture though incidentally in nature. However if one finds it that they have to deliberately seek out a scenario to give to the graphic designer it becomes much harder since the difficulty of finding something that can be intentionally altered becomes increasingly mentally burdening especially when trying to create something novel.
Now I think test-anxiety is generated by having additional stress in correspondence to motivating the brain to seek out an answer as well as having more mental processes involved with solving a question in a non-real life circumstance. In a non-real life circumstance I think the difficulty can be attributed to extra jobs the brain will perform in order to better conceptualize the question and then try to answer as best as it can.
I think that cognitive tests demand full-attention from the test-taker and thus require that person to posit as best an answer to the question as they can. This is where people get stuck since the motivation factor is high, not low, to perform well people will obviously try to find the BEST answer possible and then get stuck since their brain is trying to find only the most gratifying solution.