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I’ve always been curious about people who got advanced degrees from elite universities, like Harvard law school graduates for example, because not only do they have the most advanced degrees, but from the most prestigious schools to boot. We know Harvard undergrads average IQs around 17 points higher than the average university undergrad (125 vs 108 (white norms); the difference is much larger on the SAT because it’s used to select Harvard undergrads, thus causing a selection bias.
We also know law school grads average about 11 points higher than the typical university grad (119 vs 108 (white norms)).
A naive reader might think that if Harvard undergrads are 17 points smarter than the average university grad, and if law grads are 11 points smarter than the average university grad, then Harvard law grads must be 17 + 11 = 28 IQ points smarter than the average university grad, giving them an IQ of:
108 + 28 = 136
But this would only be true if Harvard students and law grads were independent groups. In reality, being a Harvard undergrad dramatically increases your odds of getting a Harvard law degree (or equivalent).
Law degrees (i.e Juris Doctor degree) are now classified as a type of doctor’s degree and Harvard confers about 1,455 such degrees a year. Given that U.S. citizens are about 78.9% of Harvard, we can guestimate U.S. citizens recieve only 78.9% of their doctor’s degrees, so roughly 1,148.
Given that about 4 million Americans come of age every year, we can say getting a Harvard Doctor’s degree is a one in 3,484 achievement, and thus the median such person would be a one in 6,969 achiever.
If there were a perfect correlation between IQ and academic success, this would imply an IQ of 154 (U.S. norms) but since the correlation between IQ and highest degree attained is only about 0.55 an IQ of 0.55(54) + 100 = 130 is expected.
Converting to white norms gives an IQ of 128.
Interesting. According to your LSAT-IQ post the median Harvard Law LSAT score (173) equates to a 138 IQ for the general SAT-taking population.
Is the average HLS IQ lower because Harvard law/undergrad students are unusually good test takers?
When Harvard law selects people based on LSAT scores, they inevitably select for not just IQ, but overperformance on the lsat, thus there’s regression to the mean when other Tests are given
Which contributes the most to overperformance: (a)taking the test a bunch of times and using your best score or (b)the test loading relatively high on some individuals’ non-IQ skills?
I don’t know, but anyone who takes several different kinds of IQ type tests will likely find that there is one they score best on. When you select people based on performance on one test, you inevitably select for people who did better on that one test than any other, even if all tests were only taken once.
The reliability of the LSAT is over 0.9*, while the correlation with IQ is presumably 0.7 or something like that, so probably the answer is (b)the test loading relatively high on some individuals’ non-IQ skills.
*https://www.luc.edu/media/lucedu/career/pdfs/guideshandouts/LSAT%20june_2017_interpretive-guide.pdf
RR, I have read 10 more pages to 67p (I had to read other stuff). I discovered another Bouchard study, with Wendy Johnson from the early 2000, on Mistra neutralizing g in order to get the cognitive « toolboxes » of male and female. It’s a pitty he doesn’t give the details.
But the idea is interesting because I have always known you can be good at math both « verbally » (wich is more formal logic way of thinking) or spatially ans with rotations. Mandelbrot was able to think about visual objects and then the algebra/analysis would pop up in his mind. I would have the exact opposite functioning. From the logic, I will understand the spatial consequences without visualizing anything.
So it makes sense to design test who would neutralize the « g » and just measure how you reach the results, just by forcing people to do the rotation task, angle analysis etc …
And they found huge differences in matched figures after rotation, missing parts, 2D on 3D rotations and mechanical principle (that last one would be the biggest M>F difference).
So I ve learned 2 « things » so far : the mahalanobis + the toolboxes under g … and probzbly the rest solidifies the general knowledge on the topic
“Given that about 4 million Americans come of age every year, we can say getting a Harvard Doctor’s degree is a one in 3,484 achievement”
That only makes sense if everyone was in agreement that getting a Harvard Doctor’s degree has no equivalent achievements, and even then will be an estimate of the average person with a Harvard Doctor’s degree, rather than someone with a law degree specifically.
Can’t you calculate their IQs by looking at their LSAT scores and then calculating how much they are over-performing their true IQs by taking into account the LSAT’s correlation with the g-factor? Like, looking at the non-g variance, then looking at the number of people taking the test, and calculating how much the top people are over-performing based on that?
It would yield similar results.
Let’s say Harvard law students are at around the 99th percentile (+2.33 SD) of university grads on the LSAT. Given university grads have a mean IQ of about 111 with an SD of about 13.5 (U.S. norms), that would put Harvard Law at 2.33(13.5) + 111 = IQ 142 on the LSAT.
Now let’s say that among college grads, the LSAT and the WAIS-IV correlate 0.6. The expected WAIS IQ of the Harvard Law students would be:
IQ = 0.6(142 – 111) + 111 = 130 (U.S. norms) or 128 (white norms)
HLS students are in the 99th percentile of the LSAT* test takers, however that doesn’t mean they’re at the 99th percentile of university grads.
*https://www.manhattanreview.com/lsat-percentiles/
Tidbit: Yale Law School students scores slightly higher than Harvard’s on the LSAT at the 75th percentile.
Here’s someone who did a LSAT to SAT formula, not sure if it’s accurate: http://lsatblog.blogspot.com/2009/02/sat-lsat-correlation-predict-scores.html
But IIRC you have better data on how SAT translates to IQ.
HLS students are in the 99th percentile of the LSAT* test takers, however that doesn’t mean they’re at the 99th percentile of university grads.
We don’t know the IQ distribution of LSAT test takers so we’re forced to guestimate.
Here’s someone who did a LSAT to SAT formula, not sure if it’s accurate:
This is potentially quite useful but without know what version of the SAT the data is from (assuming it’s all from one version), it’s problematic.
Ah, yeah, didn’t think about version differences.
To adjust for selection bias assuming HLS got in based solely on their LSAT scores: 173 is 22 points above the mean of 151. The reliability of the LSAT is over 0.9*. 0.9*22+151=170.8 is what HLS would be expected to score on average on the LSAT if they took it again.
Assuming the LSAT has similar test takers and correlation to IQ as the verbal part of the GRE, then 171 on the LSAT is equivalent to 167 on the verbal GRE(98th percentile). According to your conversation formula*, that’s equivalent to an IQ of 142.3.
This calculator* that predicts LSAT scores from GRE scores. To be expected to score as well as the average HL student on the LSAT, you would need to score a combined 326 on the GRE. According to your formula that’s equivalent to an IQ of 141.5.
If my assumptions, amateur calculations and your formula are correct, then HLS actually have average IQs of 142+.
Since HLS don’t solely get in based on their LSAT score, and since the LSAT reliability is actually a bit higher than 0.9, I may actually be overestimating the regression to the mean, which means underestimating their IQs a bit.
Now the only thing left to figure out is why I did all these calculations for something that has absolutely no relevance to me 🙂
*https://pumpkinperson.com/2018/05/26/revised-conversion-of-new-gre-to-iq-part-3/
*https://www.ets.org/gre/institutions/admissions/interpretation_resources/law_comparison_tool/
*https://www.luc.edu/media/lucedu/career/pdfs/guideshandouts/LSAT%20june_2017_interpretive-guide.pdf
But selection bias doesn’t disappear when you correct for reliability. Even if all tests were 100% reliable, the correlation between different intelligence tests would be imperfect.
For example your own source puts the correlation between the LSAT & SAT at only 0.6
I assume your GRE-to-IQ formula already takes into account that there’s not a perfect correlation between the GRE and IQ?
Assuming that the LSAT correlates with IQ as highly as the verbal GRE correlates with IQ since they’re both mainly tests of verbal ability, and that the test takers of the LSAT have a similar IQ distribution as GRE test takers, then the GRE-to-IQ formula should work just as well for the LSAT. Under those assumptions 98th percentile on the LSAT is equivalent IQ-wise to 98th percentile on the GRE verbal.
Not sure if your GRE-to-IQ formula already takes into account reliability by the way, in that case I’ve double-corrected for it.
I assume your GRE-to-IQ formula already takes into account that there’s not a perfect correlation between the GRE and IQ?
No. It simply tells you what your score on the GRE would be if the GRE were scaled & normed like official IQ tests. Such conversion tables seldom adjust for the imperfect correlation between GRE & IQ because the GRE itself is assumed to be an IQ test and correlates perfectly with itself.
I see, but if you consider the GRE-verbal an IQ test then the LSAT can be as well, no? And since you don’t know how the general population would score on the LSAT, but you do know how they score on the GRE, it makes sense to use your GRE-verbal formula for the LSAT, because they’re similar tests and probably has a similar distribution of test takers.
Do you think it’s likely that someone who scores at the 98th percentile on the LSAT has about the same IQ as someone who scores at the 98th percentile on the GRE-verbal? Then my calculation is correct, no?
I see, but if you consider the GRE-verbal an IQ test then the LSAT can be as well, no?
sure
Do you think it’s likely that someone who scores at the 98th percentile on the LSAT has about the same IQ as someone who scores at the 98th percentile on the GRE-verbal? Then my calculation is correct, no?
Your calculation is perhaps correct in estimating their IQ as measured by the LSAT, but the LSAT is a biased estimate of Harvard Law’s IQ, just as the GRE is a biased estimate of MIT MS Engineer IQ and the GMAT is a biased estimate of Wharton Business school IQ and the SAT is a biased estimate of Harvard undergrad IQ and the Mensa admission test is a biased estimate of MENSA IQ and the Wechsler is a biased estimate of gifted high school class IQ.
In all of those cases, people were selected for those groups by scoring high on the admission test, and tend to regress to the mean on all other tests. So Harvard Law students score about IQ 145 on the LSAT but might only score IQ 130 on the GRE and every other test. Meanwhile MIT MS engineers might score 145 on the GRE but only score 130 on the LSAT and every other test. In both cases the test from which they were selected will stick out like a sore thumb compared to all the other tests they’ve taken because when you select people based on one test, you don’t just select for g, but for special talent and luck on the specific test being given so the last thing you want to do is use the test by which a group is selected to estimate that group’s IQ because by definition they did well on it, making it a non-random sample of their IQ.
Aha, so the GRE-to-IQ formula is really only a valid estimate of IQ for people who weren’t selected based on their GRE scores. Sorry for being so slow on the uptake!
I think 0.75 is a reasonable estimate of the LSAT-IQ correlation if the general public took the test, if your calculation used the general population rather than grad students it would become:
IQ = 0.75(142 – 100) + 100 = 131.5 (U.S. norms)
Not sure if that’s a valid method? My estimate becomes 0.75(142.3 – 100) + 100 = 131.8. If I don’t correct the LSAT for reliability the estimate becomes 134.4.
Perhaps the WAIS-Verbal correlation with WAIS-FSIQ is a good estimate of the LSAT/GRE-Verbal to FSIQ correlation.
I scored 165 (91% percentile) on the lsat. My original score on the first timed practice test I did was 147. Fewer than 2 months of study got me 18 points and I believe there is room for me to improve to 170 if I retake. I have learning disabilities with especially bad verbal skills and word recall/word finding. I have bad social skills and bad physical coordination. I don’t have autism or asperger’s. I struggle with a lot of things in life and have no friends.
I think I have an IQ of 90 tops but I think it is probably more like 80-85. I think anyone with normal intelligence could get a competitive score (170+ or 97% percentile) on the LSAT if they studied effectively. I’ve seen a lot of people with LSAT scores in the mid 160s and they often seem to be low average intelligence. I don’t think the LSAT is uniquely hard or competitive.
The LSAT is a very hard (but surprisingly enjoyable) test. It seems people prep for the LSAT more than other college entrance exams (GRE, GMAT), so score improvements of 5-10 points can happen, although they’re still not that common. I for one improved 18-points (if I remember correctly) from my first practice exam to my final testing so it’s one of the few tests where one can see huge improvements on.
I think this might be because all of the sections are kinda testing the same skills, but in slightly different ways, so if you can improve on one section, then there’s possible gains to be gotten on other sections if you put in the work. It’s not like the SAT, where you study for Verbal, and then have to start all over again studying for Math.
If you struggle with ‘lots of things in life’ why are you taking the LSAT?!!
The LSAT is an entrance test that requires no math knowledge. In my country law can be taken as undergrad. I dropped out of school at 15 so this was the only viable entry test for me to get into uni.
Good stuff. You write like someone who’s >120, so I’m not sure why you think you’re so dumb.
I had a professor last semester who graduated first in his class from Harvard. WHat’s his likely IQ
If he was black then it was aa
Because in Philo’s simple mind. He cannot comprehend the existence of an intelligent black person.
One of the biggest signs of stupidity is not understanding how averages work. Dumb and Dumber are some of the largest offenders of this principle.
Naw….AA doesn’t help with grades. If it did, then my last semester grades would have been much, much better…
And this professor happens to be a very Nordic-looking white guy who I think is married to an Asian woman.
Tell me if I did this right:
There are 560 students per class and the correlation b/w academic success and IQ is 0.55.
1/560 gives you z = 2.91.
His expected IQ z = 2.91 * 0.55 = 1.60
Assume mean 128 and SD 10 (from his post on harvard undergrads):
Expected IQ = 128 + 10(1.6) = 144
Interesting. I got into a discussion about IQ and law school with some of my fellow students (don’t tell me how it happened, I didn’t bring it up), and then I speculated this particular professor had an IQ of about 145, without doing an calculations. Just a guesstimate but it seems solid….
*don’t “ask” me…
Google is now celebrating a black anti abuse campaigner. If a black person created a multibillion tech firm I think he would probably be a presidential candidate.
But some of Harvard laws grads will be AA. Im guessing you probably get more AA in law than something concrete like math PHds because the answers are graded somewhat subjectively.
And we all know an institution captured by jews would be dying to pretend blacks are as smart and competent as whites.
So you have to maybe get rid of the bottom 20% percentile of grads who got the degree because of being african.
You’re probably right. A lot of your grade is determined by participation and essays, which are especially vulnerable to the Magic Negro Effect.
Not true. All of my grades last semester were purely based on blindly-graded essay final exams. The professor could make small adjustments afterwards based on participation, but never more than a single step (in other words, from B to B+, or A- to A).
Gotcha. That’s good.
I guess it’s changed a bunch since my grandfather went through it. He said at least 50% of his grade was participation.
Gman isn’t in Harvard though so he wouldnt know their grading policy.
Oh yeah that’s true. But from what I understand grading policies are pretty similar at all law schools….blind graded essay final exams are the majority of your grade
But with the small class sizes at Harvard, professors must know who they’re grading. I can usually tell who writes each comment here even if your usernames were redacted
125 for college and 128 for JD are probably minima average estimates. Because as I agree with the regression, you have to consider that it works partly the other way around : some candidates prepare and pass the LSAT and then depending non how good they score, they upgrade or downgrade their school choices.
Probably an too 10% student who get a top 0.5% score will try H/Y/S/C/NY/Chicago/Virginia instead of Darmouth/Duke/Berkeley/etc . And a top 1% student who get a 75% will go the other way around .
Then, part of the score is indépendant of the school selection, because it is a « post hoc » self selection. Obviously, the people who are not happy will retake the test but schools keep track of multiple scores and don’t like them so it is already factored in. This score selection effect probzbly absorbs one third of the regression ….
What does it mean if you have a high verbal IQ but struggle with putting your thoughts into words.
I don’t know Rahul. First there is my French corrector that adds mistakes and second I am French ….
But what i do know is that if the selection bias is not easy to understand – Pumpkin has struggle to explain it – this counter effect is even much much more difficult to see. So I guess very few people can benefit from this comment, no matter how bad/good I would put it into words.
It’s a bit like the Monty Hall problem. Some aspects of probability are just too counter-intuitives for the « normal » mind to grasp.
So I see Mitt Romney stood up against trump and voted guilty. I did a bit of research on Romney for 2012 and can say Romney is a legit smart and competent guy. He was at Boston Consulting Group then went to Bain private equity. Some people might be cynical though and say it was because of his dad doors were opened but BCG do aptitude testing.
He’s definitely smart. I’m sure he’s worth 100+ mil now.
He’s the type of religious person I don’t like though. Moralistic and square. The mormon version of Brooks, Will, or your average NRO columnist. They take the holier-than-thou Woke attitude but apply it to “patriotism” or “color-blindness” rather than intersectionality.
Modern-day conservatives who are big on faith should look to what Buckley did to broaden their appeal. I know I’ve praised him a lot but his interpersonal accomplishments aren’t mentioned enough IMO.
Two words : Affirmative action. How do you account for all the unqualified, low-intelligence blacks and Hispanics who gain admittance solely based on their race and not their qualifications?
Levels of abstract development.
Some people play with 2 lego blocks.
Some people play with 4 lego blocks.
Some people play with 8 lego blocks.
Some people play with 16 lego blocks.
These are many combinations.
Abstractions are the relationships.
The more relationships the more complex.
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It takes a network being wired together.
To become the context for leverage.
PP, I took both the WAIS-R (out of curiosity) and the WAIS-IV months subsequently, and while happy with my overall score, I’m interested in the differences between my PIQ (WAIS-R) of 102 and PRI (WAIS-IV) of 123.
I attribute the large difference in scores to the fact that the subtests on which I performed most poorly (Picture Completion, Object Assembly, Picture Arrangement) were ousted in favour of new tests on which I did much better (Matrix Reasoning, Visual Puzzles), or like Picture Arrangement were relegated to being non-core supplemental tests.
When I average out the scores for all my performance-related subtests, though, for both the WAIS-R and IV, I get an avg. subtest score of 116 which corresponds to a Performance IQ of ~122, very close to my PRI of 123.
So is the PRI more representative of my spatial abilities than my PIQ? It seems obvious since the WAIS-IV is a test two generations more advanced, but I’m curious for your input on the matter.
I’d really appreciate some advice, you guys.
The paranoia I described a couple months ago came back about a week ago. I’ve gotten a lot more suspicious of. people when they look at me, and I feel like I’m getting too much attention.
Like before it seems really hostile. It’s as if someone spread something really bad about me to a lot of people.
You might have what I have. I remember having similar feelings when I was younger. I would think people were laughing at me as they walked by me or were smirking. Or if I was in a classroom I’d feel like I was being stared at.
See a therapist and don’t ask anons a blog for help.
notice rr is 100% inconsistent as usual. psychology is not a science but see a therapist.
what a retarded little brown person.
LOL. I do think therapists are another brand of bullshit con artists but I know a lot of people who swear by them.
No seriously dude, you’re gonna end up more screwed up if you talk to people here. Get some professional help, please.
Thanks for the feedback, everyone.
I’ll try to visit someone next week.
The chinese don’t seem to be handling this virus very well. Either its a lot more transferable than is being made out or the chinese are incompetent. I think its the first. Lion posted recently saying the bodycount is really in the 000s
I think it’s the second.
SARS and MERS are also coronaviruses and like the wuhan virus and ebola their animal reservoir is bats.
in the US rabies in humans is exclusively transmitted by bats.
as tucker carlson said, “don’t eat bats!”
Poor Puppy your so called ‘genetically superior’ east asians are in trouble. What will you do Puppy?
Wow steve schwarzmann joined the giving pledge. I never thought someone like that would do that. He called obama hitler for suggesting raising taxes on the rich.
Im just watching this dating show and I’ve noticed the guy in one of the dates has autism. They described the guy as ‘liking number games’ and then when he started talking and interacting with the girl it was totally obvious. Aspies have a pretty square head so I could have even have guessed just from his physical appearence.
He spoke quite deliberately and slowly and hardly changed expression or tone throughout. He also was very literal with everything.
Intelligence is correlated with risk-averse behavior. Harm avoidance behavior, conscientiousness, a need to have order and structure, all correlated with intelligence. That is why people (irl) think of me as an intellectual monster.
Pumpkin, did you see the trouble Gayle King got into after bringing up Kobe’s past history of sexual assault when interviewing Lisa Leslie?
Oprah coming to aid: https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/celebrities/2020/02/07/gayle-king-kobe-bryant-interview-cbs-news-oprah-winfrey/4690129002/
Snoop dog recorded an intimidating, threatening vid: https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1225905446596141058
Yes, I heard.
I feel so bad for Gayle. She’s the last person who deserves this.
Snoop is pure trash.
Its kind of interesting that Warren could conceivably be socially conservative. Nobody has really asked her those kinds of questions.
Gman should probably run for public office when he gets his law degree. There are thousands of rich jews that would fund his campaign. Gman can then cut speeches talking about abstract non-polarising topics like ‘the politics of hope’ and ‘looking forward’ just like Barack Obama did.
I actually thought Obama was a good president despite saying nothing in his speeches.
Heres an example of an Obama speech I just made up:
“There are no red or blue states, just the united states. We need to come together to face the challenges that this nation has and we can only do it by being brave and bold and by sticking together. The time has come for us to look to the future. To lead with our values and to restore pride in our country”
They should maybe make an action figure where you pull the string on the back and it says these types of lines.
Honestly if someone autistic ran for president (like Mark Zuckerberg was going to), I would vote for him/her just to be able to laugh every time he/she was on tv.
The Duke-UNC game is today. PP’s international readers should try to watch some of it. It’s one of the best rivalries in sports.
It’ll probably still be close even with UNC being terrible.
Wow it was even better than I thought. Best game I’ve seen in years.
Pumpkin, how different are items between Ravens Matrices and Daniels Figure Reasoning Test? Also, what’s the extent of practice effect in Daniels Figure Reasoning Test?
PP , if you don’t mind could you tell your date of birth. Dont mention the year if you don’t want to.
Pumpkin, if you have the tendency in real life to get things correct after the test is over, without any extra preparation, wouldn’t that be shown on IQ tests too? So, your first attempt is not reflecting your ability?
Pumpkin, what would the average IQ of a Computer Science, Math, and Physics major be?
Cenk used rupert murdoch as an example of a smart businessman who uses the NY post to promote his other interests….
Uh, Murdoch runs the NY Post to intimidate politicians and control peoples opinions.
The media is a tool of the elite. Journalism is only a profession in academia.
Obama was the exact same as Pete. No substance. No policies. Just constant abstract phrases meant to resonate with everyone. Nobody says that about Obama though because hes black and blacks are magical creatures in America.
If you look at Dodd Frank it isn’t that bad but I read somewhere Obama completely outsourced the process to congress because he had no opinion on financial regulation (that wasn’t at odds with Michael Froman).
The truth is the public have been getting politicians like Pete Buttigieg and Obama for 30 or 40 years ever since the oil crises ‘proved’ that socialism doesn’t work.
Before that there was a genuine left wing alternative in America (up until the point that if the elites didn’t like it, theyd assasinate the person I guess).
Jimmy Carter is more to the left of the current democrat party than certainly pete or obama and yet he is remembered as a ‘failure’ by the lapdog media.
A genuine left wing option is needed in any country to raise peoples living standards in my opinion. Even if the option is never in government. Communism in russia played this role in europe, basically tilting the entire axis to the left.
If people want higher living standards, generally speaking they should vote left. The only reason the right gets any votes is their cachet on social issues.
Most democrats have. insane. social views but economically there are 2 camps afaict. 2/3rds are like obama and 1/3rd is like cortez. The cortez camp is pretty much brand new. Bernie got it going in 2015.
It’s a shame that the Narrative has a monopoly on the social views of everyone on the economic left. They have some good ideas. But it drives blue collar people away and it also means that their economic ideas aren’t subject to any scrutiny.
It’s how you end up with proposals to forgive all. student loans and completely ban fossil fuels in like 10 years.
“Before that there was a genuine left wing alternative in America”
That would the Left of the civil rights movement, the Great Society, Roe v Wade, the Equal Rights Amendment etc.
Totally not insane and better than modern SJWs.
Generally speaking the last few years have seen the right move to the left on social issues and the left move to the right on economic issues giving the electorate no real choice and certainly no populism = lower living standards and mass immigration.
The single worst thing that came out of the sixties is the fact that law enforcement can’t do it’s job anymore.
The. amount of shit people in urban areas put up with for the sake of “due process” is absolutely insulting. Earl Warren the people who agree with. him are retarded fucking assholes.
We should criminalize vagrancy and loitering and let the cops profile anyone they want. That shit works. Get rid of then seventy thousand appeals that bleeding heart jews think everyone is entitled to and punish people HARD. Make them scared to even think about doing anything wrong.
People should be able to walk around wherever and whenever they want w/o fearing the worst. Anything less is unacceptable.
The Warren court went against all precedent and basically legislated from the bench. It was a disgrace. Warren was a politician before becoming a judge literally. He should have been barred on that alone.
because lawyers are angry people with low IQs like black [redacted by pp, feb 9, 2020]men.
judges have the power to do what they think is right irrespective of what is the correct interpretation of the law, so…
1. they fap their power.
2. they say, “what’re you a racist?” when you ask them what their decision had to do with the actual law…
specific guarantees in the Bill of Rights have penumbras, formed by masturbations from those guarantees that help give them life and orgasms.
racerealist88 claims ’88 is his birth year and not a reference to the eighth letter of the alphabet.
he also claims to be italian.
this is sad.
Calculation should be in a different way. What percentage of the people in the US aged 21 would agree to go to elite grad schools such as HLS? Around 100%. How many actually can do this? Let’s say 5000 at max (this includes law/med/mba). There are around 5m of 21 aged people, so the rate is 1/1000 which is equal to 146-147 IQ
Because all smart people want to study law/med/mba at Harvard/Yale? And each of those elite grad schools are equally competitive? Lot of assumptions there.
Secondly, they’re not selected purely on IQ but also grades etc:
J.D. Class of 2022
GPA and LSAT Percentiles (75th / 50th / 25th)
GPA: 3.96 / 3.89 / 3.79
LSAT: 175 / 173 / 170
Class Demographics
50% women
– https://hls.harvard.edu/dept/jdadmissions/apply-to-harvard-law-school/hls-profile-and-facts/
If they were going purely by IQ, there wouldn’t be a lot of women because of the of the fatter tails of men.
Maybe adjustment for participation is required. Women are more social.
I like what Some Guy is saying.
You just don’t see the big picture. Using my approach just replace 5k with whatever number you believe is more accurate ant then you have IQ.
i didn’t express that as clearly as i might’ve.
the kritarchy in the US (ala afro-albanian rr88):
1. has yuge power.
2. it has no immediate check on its power.
therefore:
1. it can exercise its power in a way such that most people (or most powerful people) will agree with its exercise, and thus…
2. when it is pointed out that some of these exercises of power have nothing to do with interpretation of law…
the “pointer-outers” are ridiculed based on the (supposed) good CONSEQUNCES…
i still can’t find a way to express it very very simply.
here’s another attempt:
american judges have lts of power. when they use their power to achieve (supposedly) good ends, then all who oppose their rulings (even for 100% non-political reasons) are deemed bad.
this is the politicization of the american judiciary.
the supremes aren’t scholars of law. they’re just patsies of powers greater than them.
horrible.
american judges have lts of power?
what was that? but the sense was american judges have ENORMOUS power…
reminds me of a scene from a hospital in the philippines.
the room has bars on the door and the windows, if it has windows.
why?
because, iirc, about 300 people per year die from rabies.
there are much worse deaths…after the delerium it’s coma and then death in 48 hours.
but in other cases, rabies can be a quite peaceful death.
this fantasy about a society of nothing but high IQ people is not a reality anywhere peepee…
except iceland!
Greatest concentration of resident grandmasters
In 2005, Reykjavík, Iceland, with eight grandmasters (Jon Arnason, Jóhann Hjartarson, Margeir Petursson, Fridrik Olafsson, Throstur Thorhallsson, Helgi Gretarsson, Hannes Stefansson, and Bobby Fischer) had a higher percentage of resident grandmasters per capita than any other city worldwide;[52] the city of 114,000[53] had, therefore, one grandmaster per 14,000 residents.
Even. the appeal to consequences is a joke.
What’s the point of holding elections when every controversial thing done democratically can be overruled by 9 unelected bureaucrats?
Why even have a written constitution that many so-called “constitutionally-protected rights” bear no relation to?
no. i’m an almost 100% a so-called “consequentialist” when it comes to ethics.
your point was a consequence of my point i hoped…
i hoped that would be obvious…
namely, the politicization of the judiciary is not necessarily a bad thing…
but it should be recognized at the highest level, namely an amendment to the constitution.
peepee may not appreciate how americans cry every time their constitution is mentioned or when they beat the soviet union at hockey that one time…which the dream team of the nhl hadn’t been able to beat…
God was Russian that night.
and for those who don’t know…in terms of numbers “the great one” is so unbelievably great you can’t imagine…even arnold wasn’t as great in his own marginal sport…
in terms of major sports: wayne gretzky is 12′ tall and all other greats of their sports are at most 7’1″.
he was the ultimate FREAK.
oh i see. that was an l not an I. “lts” is missing an “o”.
so dumb.
One thing the gun control movement gets right is that easy access to guns is responsible for much of our crime.
Dex gets it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XmSyEoX9Gg
However, given the saturation of guns in the U.S., it does NOT follow from this that banning guns is the answer. The only reason people push for this is because most people get involved with gun control advocacy to trash rural whites.
Women are stupid. White women are the stupidest.
white women rock. They gave us Oprah.
Exactly my point, Pumpkin, they gave YOU Oprah. Basically proves my point that they’re all sheep and don’t have any regard for the outcome of society as long as it fits the model that others have peddled them.
A related question I have and that never seems to be talked about is how corrupt the judicial system is in the West. Surely judges are offered bribes or threatened from time to time right?
This isnt an autistic wonderland where judges make decisions about wealth and power in a vacuum.
I’m not ruling out corruption per se, but I think cluelessness. explains what we see. a lot. better. Most judges are lifetime academics.
One of the worst decisions in living memory was Thomas Griesa’s decision to nullify argentinas debt deal with creditors to accomodate Elliot Management. That seemed super fishy. It made no sense and was totally out of keeping with international norms. Wouldnt be suprised if Griesas palms were oiled.
Once again no black people won all the oscars. Im very angry.
Actually the really funny thing is that there was affirmative action but it was for east asians lol
Pete Buttigieg has a very neotenous look. If he wore a schoolbag and a baseball cap backwards he could pass for a teenager.
Pumpkin, can you post my video please? I sent it to your email.
I don’t think I got it. If it’s a YouTube just post it in the comments
listening to the eternal micke enoch (jew) claim don imus was half jewish.
and wikipedia now categorizes imus as an “american with jewish roots”.
so now there’s hitchens and imus?
it used to be jews claimed smyslov and spassky were “half jewish”.
so whenever you hear that someone is “half jewish” you should susupect they are in fact 0% jewish.
alekhine was a nazi.
i have never met an impressive jew.
i have met many pushy annoying jews.
I only allowed this comment to point out that enoch is not jewish
but maybe only pure aryans do this shit:
http://www.theglobaldispatch.com/india-two-reports-of-humans-with-rabies-biting-other-people-96481/
Pumpkin, would a 120 IQ kid who’s scatterbrained have to take longer and work harder to get things done?
if you don’t accept that the aryans were the herrenvolk subsequently diluted by interbreeding…
YOU’RE…
NOT…
TRYING…
HARD…
ENOUGH…
There’s some truth to this. On the verbal end especially.
I’m biased as hell, but to me the MOST impressive writers seem to always be Greek, Roman, or Anglo. WASP culture produced the best writers/speakers in the U.S., but that’s not to say that they are (or even were) better than the Jews on average.
if you don’t accept that the aryans were the herrenvolk subsequently diluted by interbreeding…/
YOU’RE…
NOT…
TRYING…
HARD…
ENOUGH…
one race can solve any puzzle, get the best out of any situation…
but another race POSES the problems!
my own mother, an anti-racist because she associates segregation and racism with the southern lower class she comes from has said…
what have they created? all they can do is sort-of optimize the solution to a problem posed by europeans and their diasopra.
but with dysgenics and the marginalization of whites by jews this isn’t true anymore.
What part of the south is your mom’s side from?