For years commenter Mug of Pee has been saying that HBDers naively assume the Phenotype = Genotype + Environment model.
A good example of this model is sex and height. For example in 1914, the average Canadian man was 5’7″ and the average Canadian woman was 5’2″. Then after 100 years of modern nutrition and health, the average Canadian man is 5’10” and the average Canadian woman is 5’4″.
So even though environment added a few inches of height to both sexes, it did not change the male > female rank order and if expressed in SD units, may not have even changed the gap. The P = G + E model sees environment as a rising tide that lifts all boats but doesn’t change their relative heights. No matter what the environment, having a Y chromosome predicts greater height, while no matter what the genome, 20th century nutrition predicts greater height. In other words, both the genetic effect and the environmental effect are independent of one another and thus can be added together.
By contrast the reaction norm model sees environmental effects as lifting only some boats, while at the same time sinking others. So rather than adding environmental effects to genetic effects, you either add or subtract depending on which environmental effect combines with genomic effect.
While I thought this model was interesting, I couldn’t think of many real world examples.
Then one night I was watching the The evolution of us, a two part documentary on both netflix and amazon prime, which features such luminaries as John Hawkings, Steve Hsu, and Daniel Lieberman. The documentary briefly discussed the Tarahumara.
In their native Copper Canyon environment, the Tarahumara are extremely fit and slim and can outrun white athletes who come and visit, yet when they move to urban areas, they appear to be several standard deviations fatter than white people..
It’s not surprising that the Tarahumara are fatter in an urban environment than in a pre-industrial one (that’s true of all populations). But the fact that they are so disproportionately penalized by an urban environment might be an example of reaction norms.
Of course I know of no evidence of the cognitive equivalent of the Tarahumara: a group that scores as high or higher than whites in one environment, yet scores lower in another.
Pumpkin Person 
The fact that you were never learn your lesson about not moderating all the comments is you’re downfall, Pumpkin. Keep that in mind.
And no, this does not mean you can moderate this comment too.
*your*
the indosphere has way more people than the china people sphere but is divided.
if united why not just invade china and command china people to worship cows?
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a0/Indian_cultural_zone.svg
why is yunnan part of the indosphere?
reminds me how even the shittiest non-rap is better than rap.
https://charlierose.com/videos/13707
the community/group/tribe is the horizon of right and wrong.
Okay, back to work…if you look at IQ tests, you find that intelligent societies score the best on IQ tests. So IQ must test how well a population’s ability to build a technological society is.
And one must also look at Papuans, who create intricate languages, societies, and customs, but score the lowest on IQ tests. This must mean that IQ tests are selecting towards testing for certain traits of intelligence, not intelligence as a whole.
And it wouldn’t be middle-class intelligence, necessarily. It would be how well can a group attain technological superiority. IQ tests on an individual level are irrelevant. They only matter when testing groups.
Why are IQ tests on an individual level “irrelevant”? You explicitly mentioned that they are valid in intelligent societies. North American (Canada and the US) are intelligent societies. We need people who can adapt to our technological society. IQ tests are completely relevant to this.
And why must one “look at Papuans”? None of their customs or societies are advanced or intricate. They’re all just pretty darn backwards. And languages? Spare me that tripe.
There was an addendum to this comment that I wrote in another part of the blog that was spliced up thanks to PP. Anyways, I’ll copy and paste it here:
“Basically, what I’m saying is that the more technologically advanced a society is, the better they will score on an IQ test collectively. On an individual level, it might test for how well someone would do in technologically-related matters.
I think Papuans, Africans, and archaic civilizations have more symbolic intelligence than any other group of people. I think spatial, mathematical, reasoning and logic functions are high in technologically-advanced societies, whereas symbolic crystallized intelligences would be higher in so-called “primitive” societies.”
This was written under the article “IQ, social environment and DNA.”
I hope this gives better perspective on what I think of the matter.
women and feminine men have the lowest IQs. that’s why i despise homosexuals. did you know all baby boomers are homosexuals?
And most openly homosexual men aren’t homosexuals. mostly, it’s masculine men that exhibit toxic masculinity that Santo meant.
Learned helplessness is the worst thing. I think AnimeKitty catches a break because he’s white. that’s what white privilege is.
I don’t even know what I’m posting anymore. Imma die soon. Just doing my last day’s worth of work.
Don’t kill yourself. I don’t think your life is that hard to turn around.
I appreciate the concern.
Life is so ruthless and so disturbing.
Love is so hard to get and hate is to easily available. I dunno what the answers are anymore.
I can’t even speak without being interrupted or forced to shut up. I just wanna let people know what’s on my mind.
Loaded, take the rest of the day off.
Go out & enjoy yourself.
We’ll see you back in the comment section tomorrow
^^^^^
You don’t need love to be happy. Don’t let anyone tell you otherwise.
I don’t owe nothing to anyone but I feel like that’s why entitlement comes in, when people think someone does.
I wish there were an abundance of HBD or philosophical blogs I could post stuff like this under. I feel like I am easily the most “intelligent” person on this blog, contributing heavily to how this blog functions, is read, etc.
PP, please estimate my IQ. You don’t have to do an independent post but as a long-time reader and commenter, I deserve to know what my IQ is.
I really, really hope you respond…
I mean, don’t post of any of today’s garbage but do me a favor and guess my IQ, Pumpkin.
I have a great question for anyone who is daring enough to answer this:
How many people with a high IQ are dumb and how many people with a low IQ are smart?
why are there no smart asian people? i mean seriously! that’s crazy. what a bunch of useless motherfuckers they are.
Asians have done nothing to advance society whatsoever. i dunno how they score well on IQ tests yet fail to drive any societal growth in any aspect or even think deeply about anything that happens to them. they’re hollow-minded and dumber than blacks, that’s for sure.
Lay off the drugs bro!!!!
I don’t take drugs, you crackhead.
Puppy loaded is out of co trolls. Hes basically shitting all over the comment section. Ban him.
[redacted by pp, oct 26, 2019]
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-51258-x#Fig11
so skip to figures 9, 10, 11, and 12. pretty gay. including age is gay. so the best he can do is “if you’re in the 99th percentile for treatment resistant hypertension, then your odds of developing it are a little less than 6x the odds of someone in the 1st percentile.” gay.
the training data was for white british. the testing data was for white americans.
but shoe feels he must italicize the obvious:
Inexpensive genotyping (e.g., roughly $50 per sample for an array genotype which directly measures roughly a million SNPs, and allows imputation of millions more) can identify individuals who are outliers in risk score, and hence are candidates for additional diagnostic testing, close observation, or preventative intervention (e.g., behavior modification).
maybe shoe has admitted to himself privately that the missing heritability will never be found because it was never there in the first place.
there is no distinction between morality and taste and intelligence.
psychopaths are idiots however good at making sandwiches they are or however high their test scores are. hillary clinton is a national merit scholar finalist supposedly, yet she is a psychopath.
i noticed hunter biden is a psychopath in clips from his interview. twin studies claim psychopathy is very heritable.
as owen benjamin said of einstein: “i’m so smart i married my cousin and have ridiculous hair.”
Psychopathy is an emotional condition. Idiocy is a cognitive condition. Conflating the two is a category mistake.
calling psychopathy an “emotional condition” is a category mistake.
No it’s not dumbass:
They do not ‘feel’ the emotional state of others (or care) – emotional empathy. Some with this condition might even assume that no such ability exists when in fact many non-psychopathic individuals have this experience on a consistent basis. Although emotional empathy is extremely deficient, some with psychopathy can recognize the emotional state of others (cognitive empathy) and tend to use this information to manipulate their targets.
https://neuroinstincts.com/do-psychopaths-have-emotions/
Stick to nat sci; you lack the social IQ to study psychology
a stone cold “genetically superior person” psychopath:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Ng
Hilary might run again. Oh boy.
I hope she does. Love watching white male lefties get triggered
Youre white. Why would you like seeing white lefties get triggered when youre arguably a white male lefty yourself.
Dude, Pill, I’m going to say this nicely since you’ve been a long-time commenter on this blog but you’re literally a schizophrenic. Who cares what political opinions you hold?
what are the next three numbers in this number series?
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notice that after trump pulled out a mere 1,000 americans from syria, lion instantly confirmed the [redacted by pp, oct 26, 2019].
And the manipulative way he claims we should be loyal to the kurds as if he gives a damn about the kurds. And i was reading the oldest archives of his old blog and he originally supported the iraq war too. He’s the embodiment of the very stereotype he so strongly denies is true.
For any new commenters that will ever comment on this blog, I want you guys to know something: everyone here is trying to push an agenda, firstly for themselves and secondly for their worldviews. No one here is objective.
PP has made a destitute wasteland where pseudointellectual garbage thrives in this setting and morons like Pill yield so much power they can talk shit all day and get away with it.
It’s really sad, if you ask me.
Just a heads up, I guess.
If you’re here for entertainment then it’s not a big deal but if you come here to actually learn something, please, please do yourself a favor and leave. And it doesn’t have anything to do with the intelligence of the reader, it has to do with the stupidity of the commenters, honestly.
I tried defending you guys but hey, if you say stupid shit, stupid shit will happen happen to you.
^^^IQ too low to be a free speech absolutist because shitholer from country where blasphemy is illegal.
i mean Deported, Reported to ICE.
You have such poor, poor reading comprehension abilities, Ian. That’s why you’re a stupid schizotypal fool who sticks to talking about topics only HE knows about.
What an absolute dumbass and disgrace for the white race.
Pumpkin: Can high verbal iq be acquired. I would like hear your thoughts on the “nature” of verbal intelligence.
Crystallized verbal IQ can be acquired. Fluid verbal IQ, not so much.
For example we can take 100 people & increase their English vocabulary by 2 SD but we can’t increase their ability to learn a completely foreign language like Khoisan any faster.
“but we can’t increase their ability to learn a completely foreign language like Khoisan any faster.”
How is language-learning “fluid verbal IQ”?
All parts of “IQ tests” can be improved.
Once you try to improve it, it’s no longer fluid. By definition fluid is what you haven’t much learned before
What definition of ‘fluid’ are you operating under?
Like Ian, yes, it’s true, you certainly know a lot but you have no critical thinking ability. Like if I ask you something about a topic you know nothing about, you’re going to struggle mightily. So stop acting like an ubermenschen and realize you’re just ONE of US!
Same goes for Pill, honestly.
Critical thinking is the only thing intelligence is useful for. Either you use it or you fail at life, simple as that…
What is critical thinking?
The same as verbal intelligence…something that can be manifested to better achieve success oriented thought patterns.
How does that answer the question on what ‘critical thinking’ is?
The definition of critical thinking, as well as verbal intelligence to a degree, is the ability to look at things in-depth and apply them to solve problems. It also incorporates the ability to seek out further knowledge about things, think about them deeply, and extrapolate correct assertions about the world based on them.
That’s why I defined critical thinking the way I did is because it applies to arriving at correct answers based on the knowledge presented in front of you. To understand my first answer, you would need to use all your life experiences and knowledge to come to critically think what I meant. That’s what I meant critical thinking was.
Nonsense? Pill, I’m the only one who brings up things relevant to the topics being discussed on this blog. You bring the same old garbage over and over and never seem to find an answer. So spare me the nonsense about my nonsense…please.
Loaded. If you put as much energy into getting a green card as you do talking nonsense youd probably be legal by now.
i heard yesterday that northern chinese and japanese have inactive armpit glands, and that armpit’s don’t stink because sweat but because the armpit glands are actually made to feed bacteria and no one knows why. i wonder if any other peoples have this thing. the guy on the radio claimed that despite this, northern chinese and japs still use antiperspirant and this was an example of the triumph of marketing.
it’s better for your health to use a deodorant rather than an antiperspirant, but i can’t stand that trickle from my pits.
in particular the aluminum in antiperspirant supposedly gets into your blood and may cause ALZ. i remember having fun in middle school when i started sweating licking an antiperspirant stick. super dry mouth.
i also read yesterday that as of a few days ago 3 japs have run sub 10.00 100m.
and a guido has run sub 10.00, Filippo Tortu.
i’m thinking this is due to changes in track surface.
the japs and chinks and koreans and whites can beat the negroes sometimes at very short distances hence the absence of negro dominance of soccer.
but there should be more white running backs.
su bingtian has the 5th fastest time in the 60m ever, but 60m is still way too long to judge the “speed” which is important in football or football.
the problem is the very short range speed has to be measured as an average over several runs because no matter how quick one’s “reaction time” is, his reaction time will vary yugely from one run to another.
maybe there’s a way to measure short range speed without having to fuck up the measurement with reaction time.
that’s an IQ question. how would you measure short range speed un-contaminated by reaction time to “GO!”
the simplest way is simply to subtract the reaction time.
but this requires the race involve blocks or something like them.
and then there’s the obvious issue that a quick reaction time may be correlated with very short range speed.
but even if they were separated…
the point is…
short legs vs height is NOT bad for very short range speed.
because there’s the…
1. getting going type of speed vs
2. the once you’re going speed.
In chronometrics they had the opposite problem (and solved it). How to measure reaction time independent of movement time
How is it done?
How does this demonstrate critical thinking, as RR would ask.
matt taibbi vs melo
1/4 filipino vs 1/2 filipino
taibbi knew russia gate was bullshit from “GO!”
My comparison of Papuans and advanced societies should be looked at relatively, not absolutely. Obviously Papuans are going to score absolutely lower than white societies on most if not all cognitive tests but they will do well relatively on certain tasks because their society has selected for that intelligence to be specialized and has made it the basis of how their society will thrive in a world where there is only survival.
another example of how people confuse words with things and specific ability with general ability:
in american football the measure of “speed” is the 40 yard dash.
so running backs and wide receivers are ignored if not fast enough 40.
but (a taleb point) running back and receiver ability has nothing to do with 40 yard dash time directly.
if nfl scouts, etc. weren’t retarded there’d be a great chinaman running back. they’d be cajoled to join the football team in hs even if they’d prefer not to.
they can get the asian americans for baseball:
i heard some guy, sounded ausie, on the radio a few days ago say how there wasn’t another china…
he said the vietnamese were lazy in comparison.
white psychopaths are the worst…or the best?
In the West, there is a vehement campaign against nature, however, so that even your dick is debatable, even as you’re stroking it. Everything is subjective, which means everything is a fantasy. Should the West fail to snap out of this, it will have a darker future than the yellow, brown or even black universe.
THE PROBLEM IS WHITE MEN ARE FAGS.
Lion’s latest comment is just sad:
The ONLY time Trump has any good PR is when he bombs something in Syria.
So yeah, if we have to bomb the country to hell in order to boost Trump’s support to enable him to get his anti-immigration policy passed, I’m all for it! Problem is, Trump isn’t all for it.
because whites do white trash better!/
it was much earlier i had the inkling, but…///
charlie rose (now mee-too-ed) had guest hosts like mort zuckerman and (((others))).
and despite their (((talent))) they were HORRIBLE.
Talk show hosting is probably the most g loaded job in show business, even ahead of standup comedy, screenplay writing & directing. Actually it combines all three of those jobs in real time. If you look at the greatest talk show hosts in history, all were incredibly quick.
btw, the actual studies show that white gentile men are the LEAST likely to be gay…at least in the US.
so this makes me go beyond pill and hypothesize that people like bezos and gates and buffet (authentically autistic white male gentiles) have been made by people like harvey weinstein….not just tolerated…made!
like my grand-dad could never be made in NO cosa nostra because not a drop of guido.
Harvey Weinstein WORSHIPS oprah, calling her the second most powerful person in Hollywood behind only the other O: Oscar
humans are a social animal and therefore depend on other people in so many ways. they depend on other people in purely economic ways if they are an employee or an employer. the solitary still needs customers.
and i say this as an extreme introvert and carthusian manque.
without men, man is nothing.
so not too long ago in the US, people lived in cities in ethnic neighborhoods, and people lived in the country in ethnic “countryhoods”.
and it was good!
and the poorest of poor white trash lived in appalachia. they still do. and they were poor even though they had deep roots. their ancestors were americans before the revolution.
the US is a sovereign state today. 320 milllion people.
it used to be a people, americans. blacks were included later.
people don’t only need people.
they need people like themselves.
stalin said:
no man. no problem.
mugabe says:
no men. no man.
post this.
“because white men have done all the great shit.” — milo
“as the creators of western civilization, if you go against thAT group, you’re going to lose.” — milo
this county is falling apart.
for reals!
for good!
thanks uber rich alcoholic jew!
so this makes me go beyond pill and hypothesize that people like bezos and gates and buffet (authentically autistic white male gentiles) have been made by people like harvey weinstein….not just tolerated…made!
Nonsense. People like Weinstein benefit from the fact that the smartest people are too nerdy to play the game, allowing those with IQs around 130 to dominate society
Gates was just the rare super high IQ nerd who decided capitalism was a more interesting game than chess or Dungeons & Dragons & once he made that decision , no one else stood a chance
Bill Gates was obsessed with coding and math, not getting rich. If he was obsessed with getting g rich he’d act a lot more like the koch brothers or schwarzman.
Bill gates has a part of his brain completely missing to do with guile and tact. He has none of it. Hes basically a 50 year old man with the mind of a 15 year old plus really good at coding.
This comment shows low social IQ. Gates is one of the most cunning businessmen the world has ever seen. You lack the very part of intelligence you value most: common sense. Maybe that’s why you value it
remembering arnold’s bio Total Recall where he just promotes himself as usual.
reality is:
1. arnold was a hare checklist 35 psychopath even as a teenager.
2. arnold had 99th percentile “genetics”.
3. arnold had 99th percentile “work ethic”.
Yea his chest-back superset is insane. I wouldn’t recommend that for anyone except freaks. (And tons of AAS.)
hitler: joseph! comrade! i think we differed in that my politics was at a higher level of abstraction than yours.
stalin: wtf!? my moustache is way bigger!
hitler: i mean your politics was “no man. no problem”…
stalin: exactly!
hitler: whereas mine was “no men. no man. no problem.”
stalin: huh?
hitler: you wrote the book on the “nationalities question” for the USSR which replaced the russian empire.
stalin: what the fuck did you expect me to do adolf?! i was a georgian who spoke russian with a thick accent…how could i say “socialism in one country is russian?”…molotov would’ve whacked me.
i can’t be sure what milo meant, but i don;t think he means what he may appear to have meant.
that is, what he meant was…
…even if you beat this group of people…
you’ll lose.
big time.
i don’t know if this got through but the faster starter ever…no contest…so fast he was accused of cheating…was a german, armin hary.
but in his time the 60 (or 50) wasn’t run. he never ran it.
so today there are a few absolute monarchies left, like saudi arabia and the roman church.
dumb people and people brainwashed by bourgeois propaganda think the only thing hypothetically good about absolute monarchy was that the monarch was hypothetically the best person to rule because blood and because divine right and whatever bullshit.
that was never the reason fucktards!
no roman catholic thinks there haven’t been lots of super shitty popes, but they believe in the papacy all the same.
capiche?
so in the case of trump’s impeachment…if bernie voted guilty in the senate trial i couldn’t vote for bernie even though his policies are the best and they’re really his policies not pretend like warren’s.
why?
because democracy is more important than who’s in office. the US is not a democracy but it would be even less a democracy if trump were removed from office for things which could never be construed as “high crimes and misdemeanors”.
I’m reading this book gulag archipelago and I can only guess what would’ve happened to an autist living under stalin.
Well thank god you didn’t live then
fantastic “book”. it’s really 4 or 5 books each 1000+ pages long. i just read the parts for the stalin years. solzhenitsyn was unpersoned for his antisemitism.
Solzhenitsyn was awarded the 1970 Nobel Prize in Literature “for the ethical force with which he has pursued the indispensable traditions of Russian literature”.
it’s funny how russian authors are regarded as a cut above english and french authors, belletrists.
funny how nixon was both…
1. the first ever president removed from office (he resigned because forced).
2. the smartest person any one who’d ever known him had ever or would ever know.
“in terms of pure IQ…nixon would be at the top.” — milton friedman.
so trump is as smart as nixon?
not exactly, but yes.
in “pure IQ terms” no. obviously.
no president i remember could speak extempor like trump. no other president could hold rallies. trump is preternaturally gifted…but this might not show up in IQ scores.
he’s hated by women because he’s an old ugly man with a ridiculous hairdo.
the 2019 evidence is that, in mice/rats, the human equivalent of two drinks a day prevents senile dementia.
but!
the study injected the rats with the full two drinks…
and rats have WAY higher metabolism than humans…
(the intermittent fasting studies…when a mouse doesn’t eat for a day, it’s like a human not eating for 5 days.)
play it by ear. alcohol is a DEADLY super food.
NOT a contradiction.
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in the human even moderate drinking (1.2 oz per day EtOH for a male human) causes brain atrophy…autopsy studies…
but!
this atrophy is usually an example of “statistically significant” but “practically insignificant”…like no more than 4% in the most atrophied regions…brain regions vary in their level of atrophy…
and!
this atrophy is not due to death of neurons but dessication…the heavy drinker’s brain is “dry” at autopsy…
Robert/Ian, not very many people are going to empathize with an asshole like you when it comes to the ailments of your family. we’re all struggling through something, stop complaining and maybe go write in your diary…?
P.S. stop posting under my shit.
Also, PP, you’re a hypocrite. Not only do you allow punks like Robert/Ian, Pill, etc. to waste up space on your website and fail to promote new commenters but you also engage with them to the point of enjoyment.
Also, your compulsive need to defend Oprah and your beliefs that she’s somehow the messiah of our times is ridiculous. I’d usually tell someone doing something of that sort to get a life but obviously you’re no ordinary person, PP, so I’d recommend you start acting like one and stop making a fool of yourself on here…it’s hard to watch.
Whyd you let him criticise you and you never publish my feedback?
Because you have no understanding of reality
My bad, Pill. I’m just trying to be a genius but a kind, caring genius. But I’m always stressing out over things: