I’m enjoying this critical yet fair discussion of Jordan Peterson. Dutton as you may recall is best known for his scathing biography of J. Phillipe Rushton and Woodley is best known for his theory that genetic IQ has declined by 15 points since the Victorian era.
Edward Dutton & Michael Woodley discuss Jordan Peterson
09 Thursday May 2019
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Yea Dutton’s book is good—it exposes Rushton for the charlatan that he was, while Flynn and Cernovsky also did this year as well.
“The final paragraph of the book, though, sums up the whole book up well. Dutton talks about when Jared Taylor introduces Rushton at one of his American Renaissance conferences (February 25th, 2006):”
‘Well, thank you very much and . . . eh . . . and thank you Jared for . . . erm . . . putting on another wonderful conference.’ Rushton was reserved, yet friendly and avuncular. ‘Eh . . . it’s a great honor to be the after dinner speaker; to be elevated up like this.’ He was certainly elevated up. Taylor had even remarked that ‘in a sane and civilized world’ Rushton’s work would have ‘worldwide acclaim.’ Rushton’s audience admired him, trusted him . . . They weren’t familiar with him at all.>/em>
https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2018/07/15/mini-review-of-j-phillipe-rushton-a-life-history-perspective-by-edward-dutton/
A sane and civilized world, rightly, rejected Rushton’s bullshit.
civilized?
rr is obviously mixed race. sad.
bodybuilding is civilized?
flushton’s theories were wrong, but his prescriptions were right…if he had any…i guarantee.
a truly civilized society is one without antagonisms, oppositions, contradictions. this is impossible in a heterogeneous society. it is possible only in a small (in population and area), ethnically homogeneous, social democratic/democratic socialist society. the scandis are the happiest people in the world.
pill is right. today the only economic and political commentary worth listening to is alt-right.
even if you don’t agree with them it’s still true, because they say what they think. someone who learns to censor what he says also learns to censor what he thinks (and to be gay like bodybuilding).
And yet most of dutton’s ideas are derived from rushton’s differential k theory
”pill is right. today the only economic and political commentary worth listening to is alt-right.”
your mensa iq worth nothing, wasteless supposed self-alleged higher intelligenz…
Which ideas?
Victorian IQ probably was high, but not 15 points high. If I recall, that’s based on reaction time. What is that, like .25 correlation with IQ? If my math is right, then that’s just an average of 104-107. A 15 point drop just sounds absurd.
The thing is, those reaction time tests don’t match up with modern-day reaction time tests taken on a computer. Most have a lag of some sort, causing a significant delay, up to an SD. I think it’s appropriate to pin Victorian intelligence at 105-108, but not at the ridiculous notion of an entire SD higher than modern-day Western countries.
Woodley, Te Nijenhuis and Murphy have noted that IQ tests are biased under the influence of education, social norms, cultural factors and some low related psychological issues with cognitive abilities. While they propose to examine the historical process of IQ changes, reaction time should be used as a measure of genuine intelligence i.e. the intelligence, which is not influenced by level of education, cultural factors,etc.Meta-analysis results of these researchers indicated that RT rate during the period from 1884 to 2004 increases slowly. This time has decreased from 183 to 253ms in men and from 188 to 261ms in women. However, Dodonova and Dodonov have criticized these results. They remanufactured and doubted the suitability of the device (pendulum) that Galton used to measure RT [16]. The other criticism of these researchers was mainly attributed to Meta-analysis methodology i.e. comparing or integrating researches with many different characteristics is the same as comparing or integrating orange and apple and does not lead to reliable results [17]. These researchers argued that studied researches in the study of interest have clearly distinct characteristics that almost make their comparability impossible. Thus, changing in the reaction time in a period of time may be due to lots of differences in measurement tools and methodologies and meta-analysis.[18]. (Khodadi et al, 2014)
the flynn effect anyone? woodley is ‘tarded.
woodley, “that’s not what i meant. i meant genetic IQ.” whatever. just more ‘tarded.
i am best known for my theory that abos have the highest IQs.
He argues there’s been about a half SD decline in reaction time but since reaction time is only moderately correlated with g, he argues it would take a 1 SD decline in g to cause a half SD decline in RT
He argues a combination of dysgenics & mutation load have caused the 1 SD drop in g but better environment has masked this, giving us the Flynn effect
a 1 SD decline in g to cause a half SD decline in RT.
only if a change in IQ is the only possible cause.
he seems to think it’s the most likely cause. but i’m thinking a decline physical fitness is another plausible cause.
Yea and Woodley was wrong. No comparison is possible.
https://pumpkinperson.com/2019/05/09/edward-dutton-michael-woodley-discuss-jordan-peterson/comment-page-1/#comment-133521
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you have to delete everything past the “jpg”.
Closet retarded fake genius loves STRONGER MALES…
Brokeback Gaybriel
What is striking is how much anormal those two guys look. I think even the trans girl schooter from the Colorado school look more normy than those two weirdos. Probably, if there was an ethno-state relying on the kind of criteria they are promoting, they wouldn’t last much alive.
They also look very gay or at least very effeminate (considering they are not french).
It’s not a general rule because Noah Carl or Emil Kirkegaard look more like the regular ultra-right nationalist.
But they are all the more fun to watch and listen to. Maybe it’s also the English posh cottage culture.
I find woodley normal enough. Dutton’s odd
Victorian-hipster
[Victorian Secrets]
I like Adriana Lima.
Your ethnic background
So Bruno now is calling people gay and ‘anormal’. Once again his arrogance is out of control.
What’s norm word mean??
I was expecting this line. How is calling someone effeminate or anormal arrogant ?
And btw, I am interested by people in the scope of those adjectives.
What’s norm word mean?
Normies is the way asperger people call non-asperger people
Abnormal basically mean those who are exccentric or those who are not just like the majority. Have brown skin is yet abnormal in Belarus, for example.
Abnormal is about statistics. Yes, what is not majority have more chance to be disordered -to- sick.
But it’s just the closed-homossexuality of doc. pills.
”Normies is the way asperger people call non-asperger people”
Lolbert limbsey is aspie*
Pumpkin I just finished my iq test! She’s going to give me my score in about an hour and twenty minutes.
OMG!
Without giving anything away, did you enjoy the test?
It’s a fun/exciting experience and also shocking.
What’s important is your cognitive profile, at the end of the day. But I hope you did well.
Overall I scored 118! I’ll give you the subtest scores once I arrive home. She also had to score pretty quickly so some things might be wrong but I doubt it since she’s probably been administering tests for years. Also she’ll be giving another more in depth report/scores in probably two weeks.
118? What was your overall score when you took the wechsler in 5th grade?
89
When I arrive home I’ll give you the percentile of all the sub tests.
How the hell did you go from 89 to 118? Do you have your childhood subtlest scores too? It would be great to do a side by side comparison of both
Respond brother
Do you have ADHD Kendrick?
I presume since you are interested in IQ, you’d also be a pretty curious kid, which would help a lot. Hell, reading a lot definitely improves your vocabulary, general knowledge, and working memory, and it’s said that working memory and fluid intelligence go together, so your fluid intelligence also could have improved. So if you found reading books or watching documentaries really fun, and did it a lot, that could have explained some gain.
Verbal Comprehension Index: 98
Similarities: 105
Vocabulary: 90
Visual Spatial Index: 100
Block Design: 115
Visual Puzzles: 85
Fluid Reasoning Index: 128
Matrix Reasoning: 145
Figure Weights: 105
Working Memory Index:
DS Forward: 100
DS Backward: 100
DS Sequencing: 115
Picture Span: 85
Processing Speed:
Coding: 120
Symbol Search: 105
FSIQ: 118
Nonverbal Index: 114
General Ability Index: 116
Cognitive Proficiency Index: 106
By the way I found the Matrix Reasoning fairly easily and I can’t see why anyone else wouldn’t score as high as me.
I do have my 5th grade score but no subtest scores. I was verbally retarded probably due to my language delay. But now i’m just an average joe.
So what career should I pursue?
How your vocabulary is lower**
89
maybe pill can explain this. it seems everybody is lying about venezuela. but the main stream media is lying more.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Venezuelan_presidential_election#Public_opinion
vs
maduro 67.8%
falcon 20.9%
bertucci 10.8%
it may be true that venezuela should be as rich as saudi arabia eventually…or not.
the price of oil is down in inflation adjusted terms and venezuela’s oil may be more
expensive to mine/pump.
why would anyone discuss jordan peterson? are these guys canadian supremacists?
btw, i don’t think the idea that dulles or castro or carlos marcello ordered jfk hit is a ridiculous idea…it’s just that i don’t know of any evidence which requires one of these to be the case.
but this is interesting, even though the quote at the top is fake, jfk never said it.
https://www.21cir.com/2018/07/two-us-soldiers-overheard-jfk-assassination-plans/
If you waste time reading what is autist gay closet write here..
Limbo of losers
Pumpkin, I took a similarities test, got a 13 on it. Took a couple different ones, always got a lower baseline, but I always got it back up to a 13. I also read that scaled scores of 12 and above regressed to the mean, I never did. I’m wondering if the 13 is my true score, since, I’m not supposed to show an increase, I’m supposed to show a decrease. Does that mean on the first few attempts, I didn’t show my full potential. I’m guessing so.
Pumpkin, would my reasoning be correct?
Pumpkin, can I safely assume my score is 13 even if I got a 12 because I didn’t verbalize something properly (which I did some time after). I have a 12 vocabulary score, but I’m bilingual, so raise it up to a 13. Would my inability to explain that one thing at the correct time just be an error measurement.
If English is your second language, it’s likely all your verbal scores are underestimated to some degree, though it’s imposdible to estimate how much unless we had a study of bilinguals taking the wechsler & even that would be hard to interpret unless the study had a control group of monolinguals of similar background
Pumpkin, am I correct in my reasoning that my thing was most likely a measurement error, since I most likely have average oral expression abilities?
Would a bilingual whose main language at home was Spanish (mine is not, mine is Telugu), but English in schools would their Vocab score on WAIS be underestimated? Aren’t there some studies on it?
Ok, I found this study- https://aalfredoardila.files.wordpress.com/2018/04/2018-ardila-et-al-verbal-intelligence-in-bilinguals-when-measured-in-l1-and-l2.pdf
What’s weird as hell is that the Latin American born folk have higher Verbal IQs, although by a point. I guess being exposed to only one language for a decent period of time, and then after some years being exposed to two languages increase VIQ, while being exposed to two different languages your whole life slows it down. But even then, with other solely vocab studies, it shows that even these bilinguals either have above average or average vocabulary when both languages are taken account, and words are counted from both. Another interesting thing about the study is that most people have a bachelors. Now, most Americans in general don’t have a Bachelors, most of the Hispanics here have a bachelors or above.
A lot of this could be sampling too, so I found that averaging the vocab probably works the best. These folks are definitely at least average, so if vocab was slightly below 100, it was probably underestimated slightly, especially since these guys were also pretty educated.
Dude, you’re overextrapolating by a lot. Calm down.
Pumpkin, was my reasoning correct?