In the aftermath of HBO’s shocking documentary Leaving Neverland, people are asking whether Jackson was really a child molester.
Jackson has never denied sharing his bed with young children, but has always maintained these were innocent sleepovers.
But in 1993 Jackson was accused of molesting a 13-year-old boy named Jordy Chandler. This resulted in a police raid of Jackson’s home (Neverland) and a strip search of Jackson’s body. The evidence reportedly found in both convinced me he was a child molester.
Neverland raid August 1993
The first major reason for believing Jackson was a child molester are the items police found in Jackson’s bedroom in 1993.
Most incriminating is the nude photo believed to be Jonathan Spence. According to page 130 of Diane Diamond’s book Be Careful who you Love, Spence was a “small angelic blond boy” who lived with the Jacksons at their Hayvenhurst house in the 1980s. Spence has always denied being sexually abused by Jackson.
Dec 1993: Strip search
On Sept 1, 1993, law enforcement asked Jackson’s 13-year-old accuser Jordy to draw a picture of Jackson’s erect penis and to locate on that drawing any distinctive marks he recalled.
On Dec 20, 1993, police came to Jackson’s Neverland mansion with a search warrant allowing them to photograph his private parts.
According to an affidavit by Santa Barbara district attorney Thomas Sneddon, the boy’s drawing matched the photos taken in the strip search:
Some might argue that this only proves Jordy saw Jackson naked, not that he was molested, however others argue the spot Jordy drew was only visible when Jackson’s penis was lifted (as in arousal). If that’s true, it’s especially incriminating.
Jackson fans claim Jordy incorrectly identified Jackson as circumcised but they never cite any legal documents proving it. But even if true, an erect penis can look circumcised, especially to a child.
About a month after the strip search, Jackson settled the Jordy Chandler case for approximately $25 million according to CNN. About $42 million adjusted for inflation.
Below is a rare interview with Jackson’s sister Latoya in 1993 (she would later walk-back her comments):
Pumpkin Person 
If I knew about the report on what they found in Jacksons home I would have said he was guilty. This reminds me of the stuff they found in Tony Podestas home.
I think the evidence for pizzagate is similarly overwhelming. The guy that shot up the pizza place was listed on IMDB as an actor.
Were all above intelligence here. I want everyone to review the pizzagate evidence and tell me what they think.
To me you kind of have to make up an even stranger story to explain all of it. But 1 detail does deter me a bit – the fact that some of the people invited to the gatherings of children were female. Females are rarely paedophiles.
But I suppose some people argued that they went after the kids for satanic ritual reasons rather than arousal.
I think pizzagate is false patterns. It depends what evidence you mean specifically. But Obama flying in Chicago hot dogs is just an example of normal elite decadence, not male prostitution. Kids in the pool have other explanations too if you’re not primed to see it as something sexual. I do think Tony Podesta is some sort of freak though.
That police report was never really mentioned in the media. It is so obvious when you see it that he was a paedo. I follow a lot of celeb gossip and never knew that police report was public.
Very interesting. I didn’t know Latoya sounded so clever. She really gifted. Her fluency is also something to add to the credit of MJ Intelligence. The journalist was so biased for Michael ….
My thoughts exactly, she handled Couric better than most politicians would. Very composed articulate and methodical in her thinking.
http://sandrarose.com/2019/03/roseanne-barr-says-metoo-victims-are-nothing-but-hes/
Roseanne reminds me of how being racist is probably a sign of high intelligence in this day and age. I mean being racist in the era since Obama is either really instinctive now or really cerebral. Im a bit of both.
[redacted by pp, March 11, 2019]I have many black friends and have worked with blacks before. Im open to dating black women even. I never ever say my real opinions to the VAST MAJORITY of people unlike Sister Roseanne seems to do. I even remember talking to a google executive at christmas and pretending i didn’t know anything about Brexit!!! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Once I broke character though. I was sitting in my dumb job at a professional services firm and listening to this jackass pontificate about US politics and saying people would be dumb not to vote for hilary. After about an hour of listening to it I said simply – “Hilary clinton is probably a psychopath”. Then went back to work.
My sister, like roseanne, seems to think literally every single women who mentioned being in a hotel room with weinstein knew what she was doing. I beg to differ. I’ve read some of the accounts. I would say some of the women legit, ran out of the room or were shocked at the guys behaviour. I remember reading that its not uncommon in the entertainment industry for auditions and interviews to happen in hotels.
Like most of the women that met with cosby at his home. I think most of them did not know what they were getting into. Cosby had to incapacitate them for a reason lol.
But the women who are associated with Weinstein and haven’t said anything – THEYRE the ones who traded favours. Im talking about Hathaway, Kidman, Wilde, Bullock – women that wore his wifes fashion label and have not said anything to the media and tried to ride out the storm keeping mum.
I think i have as good or better social IQ than my sister. Basically if you can make people laugh, you have a high social IQ. And ive frequently been told im a funny guy.
I think the majority of women traded favours with Weinstein. He might have slipped up a few times and crossed the line especially if drugs or alcohold were involved but he looks like a very shrewd person, I doubt that he would blunder and do something illegal. Of course even luring women to hotels with a chance at fame in exchange for sex is quite despicable but not illegal in my book particularly if the women were adults and not under duress. All they had to do is refuse and walk away. If he didn’t stand in their way then that is perfectly legal. Of course he probably deserves all the social shaming he is getting but its not that clear to me that he did anything particularly illegal.
As for your sister, I would side with her position. Every single woman over the age of 18 had to have known or suspected what was potentially on the table particularly with his reputation. I believe at the time all of hollywood knew about him and I think that the fact that nothing severe had come out up until now is likely cause he did not treat them too badly or covered his ass extremely well. One would have to be severely naive to think that being in a hotel room alone with a powerful man undressing you with his eyes is purely a professional meeting. Even those that are feigning naivety IMO are very likely lying. Of course a lot of them probably still took their chances thinking they could handle their way out of a bad situation while a great majority of them once they made it to that hotel room(alone) were probably prepared to do what they had to do to get a leg up.
I’m not challenging your social IQ btw(we all slip up sometimes), I just think you are not acknowledging that most normal adult pretty women are fully cognizant of how desirable they are and no woman with her head screwed on right would fail to pick up on the signals. Worst case scenario a woman went in(prepared to take her chances) and simply didn’t expect things to be as bad as they turned out to be. Maybe he flashed in front of them or touched them inappropriately or something like that when they thought they would be given an opportunity to reject any advances.
Flirting is a huge part of socializing to the degree that we do it without thinking all the time(some even flirt with other people in front of their spouses). So it is possible these girls “flirted”(hoping that this would give them an edge without having to go all the way, almost all pretty women do this in order to get what they want) and then were surprised how deep in the hole this took them. Not saying its their fault or anything but guilt is not a one way street. Not defending Weinstein btw, just putting things in perspective.
No it doesnt make sense. Weinsteins image in media would have been toxic so going out to the media alone and putting yourself in the spotlight just to deny something nobody accused you of makes no sense. Especially giving detailed stories of it. Why bother going through all that?
If you traded favours the optimal strategy is to keep quiet and only deny if someone accuses you. There are 2 actresses I can think of who denied being with Weinstein when social media rumours about them arose – they are probably guilty. But generally nobody wants that toxicity near their brand. The women that didnt say anything or kept quiet but are known to have mixed with weinstein a lot are the guilty ones.
The actresses that said they were raped also named some famous actresses that he boasted to them about having – none of those actually came out to deny anything.
The other argument I was thinking of is pretty simple. Women who come forward would know people would assume something if they confirmed being in a hotel room with weinstein, so they would not mention it unless they had to.
Another good argument is the career point of view. Women would worry going out to the media and telling on Weinstein, however disgusting he was, would look bad to other Hollywood executives or even others like Weinstein. Theres an omerta. Nobody wants a reputation for being ‘difficult’.
So to the degree that he made unsolicited advances said or did things that could be deemed sexual harassment or interpersonally inept(outside of rape of course) I think he is very likely guilty but not a clearly egregious illegal act IMO. If he had Brad Pitts looks and charisma ALL of these women would have done it with a smile on their face and an inappropriate touch or sex advancement simply turns into foreplay. An ugly horny dude tries his luck and it’s the end of the world. So until rape is proven I’m going to remain skeptical on the matter particularly given the timing of this(scammy metoo movement or should I say bandwagon, at least that is what it has evolved to being). People are far more opportunistic than most people realize(and they are getting better at it). Once again I’m not defending him or trying to downplay what is clear by now he did do at the very least(obviously disgusting) I’m simply playing devil’s advocate while i don’t think it’s as bad as the media and some people are making it out to be(ie rape, meaning forcing himself on them while they resisted physically and/or verbally).
Proven false rape allegations can amount up to 10% of all rape cases and that figure invariably increases the wealthier the individual(especially these days). If we add unproven false allegations this figure goes up while only 40 – 50% of cases result in a conviction. Most police investigators often distrust accusers because they know how complicated these cases can be(awkward interaction that was misread by both parties, intoxication of both parties, misunderstanding of what constitutes rape, revenge, malicious opportunism). By my estimation perhaps as much as 1/3 of rape accusations are false(intentionally or by misunderstanding the law).
All very valid points you bring up, but could it be that the current metoo movement created the ideal conditions for them to come out with all sorts of allegations? At the end of the day it’s their word against his and if enough of them come out momentum is on their side. I mean I don’t doubt that he was a dirty old man but the rules for rape are quite clear. No means no, and if the woman is physically fighting you off she doesn’t want any of it, and if you ignore that it’s rape. This is what i find so hard to fathom, why would a millionaire who could buy 50 hookers a day for the rest of his life if he wanted decide that its smart to force himself on a bunch of wonnabe actresses? I mean is he stupid? At least Cosby(a true sicko) had the smarts to drug them so they couldn’t remember or be conscious while anything happened. I just find it a little far fetched. I think a lot of these women were promised all sorts in exchange for sex and when their careers didn’t go anywhere(probably because they lacked the talent) they lashed out on him. Notice how almost all of the major allegations are from C and D list actresses. I think the worst that will come out of this is some sexual harrassment charges(inappropriate touching etc) and a quid pro quo or two. I just don’t see how the woman clearly said no and he ignored it and carried on, only a deranged lunatic would do that. Harvey is a smart business man, it simply doesn’t add up.
So was he a dirty old sex addict hitting on every woman in hollywood? Of course! Did he offer career advancement or even try to pressure girls in exchange for sexual favors? Very likely(probably just hinted at it though, doubt he said it outright). Did he cross a moral line? From the looks of it at least 100 times. Can he be convicted with quid pro quo harassment? Possibly, assuming the girls can prove their cases(not an easy thing to do without evidence, an explicit offer needs to have been made). Did he rape anyone? I really don’t think so…
Mind you, if these girls actually did have sex with him despite his quid pro quo offer in my book they are also liable for wrong doing, after all they took the offer and decided to further their career in an illegal and unfair manner over other actors. Most of the rape cases fall in this category IMO, they can’t get him for quid pro quo harrassment so they go after him with alleged rape. Note how all the rape cases involve him doing oral sex on them. That’s rape? Sure OK, pervy old guy that can’t get it up offered to further your career by going down on you and when your career tanks you shout rape. Those that rejected the offer may have a case but good luck proving all this in a court of law against a millionaire and his high powered lawyers. I personally do not feel sorry for a lot of these women because as I said, most of them probably knew exactly what they were doing and in the absence of egregious coercion and force it looks like a fair offer to me(perversion and circumventing meritocracy aside of course).
This is what i find so hard to fathom, why would a millionaire who could buy 50 hookers a day for the rest of his life if he wanted decide that its smart to force himself on a bunch of wonnabe actresses? I mean is he stupid?
You make some good points, but perhaps he got off on dominating these women against their will. A prostitute wouldn’t provide the same thrill since she’s consenting. Just speculating.
“You make some good points, but perhaps he got off on dominating these women against their will. A prostitute wouldn’t provide the same thrill since she’s consenting. Just speculating”
Sure I guess that’s possible, but there’s two hurdles for that. 1. Takes a true psychopath to do that(less than 1% of the population) 2. Would a smart wealthy highly successful businessman take that risk even if he has psychopathic tendencies? Note that all rape allegations alleged that he forcefully performed oral sex on them except I believe for the Manhattan case which is currently in court where he is alleged to have forced the girl to perform oral sex on him. I mean how do you rape a girl by doing oral sex on her, one knee to the nose and he’s out.
One thing I can’t do is tell who is gay. Women and actual gays are able to do it just by looking at someone sometimes. Im getting better though. I remember reading how AI developed somewhere could tell a persons homosexuality 90% of the time. Go google it. It proves im right about aesthetics – they don’t lie.
I wouldnt be surprised if people still them im a massive liberal. I used to be on facebook following all the liberal blogs and such. Basically nobody outside of you guys and my retard dad knows what my real opinions on race, gender, sexuality and politics are. My dad doesn’t even understand 80% of what I say hahaha.
Ironically my sister does understand what I say but thinks everything I say is ‘crazy’ and ‘far fetched’ and that I have a ‘screw loose’. Shes the type of moron that thinks the US president is actually the most powerful man in the world lol.
There was a guy I grew up with in school who was into conspiracy theories like I was. He wasn’t as well achieving as me academically and some of the stuff he believes is a bit mad – flouride poisoning the water, [redacted by pp, March 11, 2019]….but even that guy would know A LOT more about how things work than a mainstream moron like my sister or indeed 99% of the people I’ve ever interacted with.
It seems wrong for the government to put something in the water. Many people have no choice but to drink it. But I think with fluoride it’s okay because fluoride occurs naturally in groundwater. We would get plenty of fluoride if we ate wild plants grown in mineral rich water.
I once argued with a high-IQ liberal girl who didn’t know this, but was absolutely fixed in her support of fluoridation anyways. Because it’s “science.” She probably could have been convinced to put ANYTHING in the public water.
I’d say even those guys that believe in UFOs and Bigfoot are more informed than the general public.
They should actually do a general knowledge test of conspiracy nuts and people that read the New York Times. I would laugh so hard if the people that read rense.com were proven to be more informed than a NYT or Wapo reader.
They did a study on mainstream news viewers general knowledge once and found fox viewers were the least informed.
There is a difference between a conspiracy nut and a conspiracy analyst. Just because you are willing to entertain something does not mean that you believe it. All scientific discoveries begin by entertaining something that is to a high degree out of the realm of possibility given what we “know”. Of course there are people that take this too far and there are genuine conspiracy nuts out there but I think a lot of people get a bad rap just for entertaining some ideas and i find something incredibly insidious with the people that do this to them(akin to gaslighting).
As for your sister she is only half right wrt the president. Technically he is the single most powerful person in the world. He could potentially bring this world to an end if he manauevers himself accordingly. Having said that collectively other groups of people(deep state, CIA, large sets of corporations, powerful interest groups) may circumstantially wield more power and influence than the president on his own. Enough that they can sometimes box him in or strong arm him, even eliminate him(assasination, impeachment etc). So I would say you are more right than she is.
The president, like most politicians is kind of like a PR person for the policies of his masters. One thing that seperates trump from most politicians is that hes a billionaire who doesn’t need to be a pool boy like Rubio or visit with the Rothschilds like Hilary did. I would say Trump has probably the most discretion to act since Nixon was deposed.
But even then, the people in the CFR or jewish groups more generally can order the president around a lot.
I think we are mostly in agreement here particularly regarding Trump though I’m still working my way throught the Jewish conspiracy. That they wield power far in excess of what their demographics would indicate is undeniable. The question is how insidious is their use of this power and is it any more insidious than that of any other racial or religious group? I’m not entirely sold on that yet but i find the whole topic fascinating. As for groups ordering the president around I think it varies from president to president and the circumstances under which he became president and what sort of leverage they have on him but I wouldn’t go as far as “ordering him around”. I think more often than not the president’s interests and the interests of these groups align. Save for Trump of course, he might be the first to buck the trend since…hmmm I don’t know if there ever was a president that could comfortably give them(deep state, mostly) the middle finger and not be impacted much by them. Its a pity he’s the least presidential of all of them but maybe that comes with the package. However I wish I could agree with all his policies, but unfortunately I don’t. Well, you can’t win them all!
My general opinion is that even if you have the same ideas as me, you should be courteous and civil with people of every background. Even if you think they’re morally deformed and/or likely criminals or even a bit primitive.
For example, I genuinely think most women are dumber than me. Ive never said that to anyone except my sister. But the truth is most guys are dumber too. But with women, the chance of being well informed is almost nil. Women don’t like crawling through websites like rense or unz.com. They can hardly concentrate on something mainstream like the NYT. Most women aren’t evolved cognitively to look for the truth,
and not in the aspy way of science, but even basic fact finding.
If you are writing philosophy or doing an anon blog or you want to explain how something works in a book, you have to drop the mask a bit and say the truth but in a respectful manner.
I’d like to write a long book on philosophy one day. And in the book about 1 page will be given to autistic ant crawling on philosophy of language and about 900 to what I believe to be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
Have I ever mentioned my Foot Soldier Syndrome theory.
I genuinely believe a certain percentage of men born every year are born to be cannon fodder. And this is especially so in primitive societies where humans haven’t economically specialised (and bred).
Its a bit monarchist reactionary of me even, but I think a lot of men would be happier being warriors and in a weird way, even women would prefer it like that. They would find their men more sexually attractive actually.
It kind of ties in to R/K selection, in the basic sense that R selection is about breeding footsoldiers and K selection is the breeding of everything else – priests, merchant, tradesman etc.
I realised this when I was 15 or 16 and I noticed how some boys were a lot more aggressive and really couldn’t concentrate on academics. The vast majority of human history shows most young men fight (and die) for their Master.
I didn’t know about Rushtons R/K theory until much later. When I read Peter Frost and jayman I had a more ‘grounded in ecological theory academic framework’ for my thoughts.
Unfortunately, modern warfare isn’t self-refining. It used to be in the old days, that the strongest, bravest or most clever would win battles, and they would then breed the next generation having been shorn of the ‘weaklings’ from battle. Often the aristocracy drew its members from the best warriors.
Nowadays an 8 year old boy can kill a grown man. Modern wars might actually be worse in terms of foot soldier eugenics as the most cowardly survive wars and the most weakest or dumbest are not even allowed to be soldiers.
Are you equating the genetic fitness of the foot soldiers to cowardice? I would agree.
War wanst that common. You are being tainted by the legacy of the Prussian education system. There were some genocidal wars in the medieval ages/ancient times but not on the scale to change the nations genes. Say 4% of the population die in each rare war. 7 years war, Alexandrian and gallo roman wars being the exception, but even those made a small tint on the genes.
Nor to the scale of say operation Barbarossa/sino Japanese war.
He was a grown man living with a bunch of boys and sleeping with them. Where is the debate?
My observations just show people take cues from each other. Thats hoe we continuously adapt. As we sleep, our mind opens up a deeperstate of conscious. You can reject it as I have, or accept it and become based, redpilled. I think dark triad works best for being a social creature.
Pumpkinhead, only in a social environment do we have to adapt to socialize. Otherwise, we conform.
I really do think were too intelligent at this point. Every bit of intelligencr we add is maladaptive almost as much as compassion is makadaptive to a kind person.
I sometimes think that as well, how much empathy is too much empathy, is there a point when intelligence starts to become a burden? Maybe ignorance is indeed bliss…? At the end of the day I think it all boils down to purpose, if we are equiped with a productive, just and meaningful purpose we unlock all sorts of abilities we never thought we had and that is true for everyone(maybe some more than others). In that respect maybe there is no true ceiling(the ceiling is only relative to others ie potential), it then becomes a question of how quickly we advance and how well we maintain that advancement. I believe it was Nietzsche that said “he who has a why to live for can bear almost any how”.
I was once told by a teacher that I was too smart for my own good and while I was always a fairly popular and likeable person(this blog aside lol) I always got the feeling that people were judgemental if I was too good at too many things. As if there was a quota at how many things I could excel at and that invariably if I was good academically I had to be socially awkward, that I wasn’t allowed to be one of the cool kids because that somehow upset the natural order of things and the expectations other people had. Of course I tricked them(sort of lol) but as I get older I find myself wondering why things are that way, why do people get so fixated with these preconceptions and the better you are the harder they try to bring you down.
I see a lot of people get beaten down by the system, conforming to other people’s expectations while they are none the wiser what is unfolding around them and how much of an uphill battle they are fighting. I think much of life is a battle of perceptions, we each try to assign a perception about who we think someone is, define them so to speak and how the world aught to be and it then becomes a battle of attrition as to who will eventually win over. The more aggressive among us play hard and dirty while most people follow a regimented and somewhat benign approach but one thing is for sure most of us don’t realize that we are actually doing this and how far we cross the line sometimes.
Well, I still think we only compete as a social species and we also happen to be intelligent. We won the genetic lottery as a species. So I think that’s purposeful all of and in itself.
Hmmm I might be a little less optimistic than you, it doesn’t take much for society to lose it’s way if that purpose gets corrupted obfuscated or god forbid lost entirely. As for us being intelligent, yes and no, in some ways better than before but in other ways possibly worse.
I live in the shittiest town in America.
RGB had the right idea. There are people who are untouchable. And thats some black people. No whites anynore.
Testosterone is the most amazing drug, along with dope-amine. I miss that shit.
Black people only hate other black people. They feel tremendous empathy for people who aren’t black.
Today is the 30th anniversary of the world wide web and also my birthday,!
Happy birthday to me! XD and the world wide web!
I am posting drunk. But still wish me. XD I post a lot of my posts here drunk.
Also, what do you all think, should i order my cake from chicago?
I guess i should have posted this comment on another thread. But dont forget to wish me XD
People are actually even more honest in what they say when they are slightly drunk than when they are sober. Its just that they are more impulsive in how they say it. My birthday is really today.
This is embarassing for me. I probably must flush myself down the toilet.
Note to self: Dont say/post stuff like this when drunk when among other nationality people. People of your country or culture might wish you, but others may not. So dont think it transfers. Different countries/cultures may have different cultural norms when it comes to these kind of things.
Uh, wow. Had I known this I definitely would’ve said guilty. I’m surprised this was memory holed by a lot of people. Seems like something that would stick more than insinuations, which Is what I mostly read/heard.
This stuff is hard to defend. Damn. Really liked his music growing up.
White south east europeans in the middle east:
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhacir
Their living standards are on part with their heritage.
They built stuff like this
So we can say that its around 35% in turkey (mainly concentrated in the western regions), and around 8% in the northern middle east (iran, syria lebanon and the caucasus region). A lot of people like to say that pure armenians.
But they are having less kids than the “armenian race” turks and kurds.
“Their living standards are on part with their heritage.”:
I’m Haplogroup G on my paternal side and Haplogroup M on my mom’s side. My ancestry is very bizarre as my ancestry is 7% Scandinavian, 2% Papuan, and I’m about 48% South Indian, the rest Pashtun and Chechen.
I am R1b1a1a2a1a2a1b2 called L165
It’s highest concentration is Hebrides and Caithness. It comes from a Pyrenees/Aquitaine installation of metal age invaders. They went north.
Some people think it’s the other way around Viking gone south since concentration are in Hebrides and mainland Scandinavia and not in costal scandinavia (contrary to red head Celtic south coastal Norwegian)