A reader sent me the following email:
“I’ve always wondered if a person with strong drawing (or painting) abilities would score well on perceptual reasoning. Is there a correlation? If so is it a very strong and clear correlation?”
I don’t think there is. A study of prodigies documents a case of a painting prodigy who scored IQ 88 (U.S. norms) in spatial ability (bottom fifth of Americans her age)
At the time of testing, prodigy seven, a self-taught painter, was nineteen years of age. Although she had been interested in arts and crafts for as long as she could remember, she did not begin to paint until she was 13 years old. She said she was inspired by a young art prodigy she saw on television. After just eighteen months of painting, the prodigy won the National Gold Key award, the most prestigious art award given to high school students, at the age of 15. She was one of 50 recipients of the award across the country. At nineteen, her work is selling for thousands of dollars and is displayed in prestigious art museums around the world.
Testing results
Total IQ Score= 112; Fluid reasoning= 100; Knowledge= 128; Quantitative Reasoning= 100; Visual Spatial Abilities= 88; Working Memory= 138
“So I’ve stumbled across one of your articles in your blog, and in it you said that WAIS IV has correlation with g of 0.9 (if I’m not mistaken?). Also somewhere in the comments I’ve read that Raven’s Advanced Progressive Matrices has correlation with g of 0.8 (if I’m not mistaken?).
In a 2017 study by Dimitri van der Lindena, Curtis S. Dunkelb, Guy Madison, the Raven was found to have a g loading of 0.609 in 900 American healthy young adults.
However in my opinion this sample likely suffered from range restriction, and the actual g loading of the Raven in the general U.S. population is about 0.7. That’s roughly the g loading of the Matrix Reasoning subtest on the WAIS-IV in an extremely representative sample of Americans.
rob lowe is the paradigmatic pretty boy. “pretty boy” is usually used pejoratively, but in lowe’s case…lots of women find him sexy.
montgomery clift is the other pretty boy par excellence.
brando was both a hunk and a pretty boy. brando was such a cunt throb that women left their keys for him in the 50s when he was doing broadway.
but while sean connery became sexier with age, brando became un-sexier.
connery has a great voice. brando had a horrible voice. but it was distinctive.
i know this from personal experience. how i would think and say, “she’s so sexy” and another guy would say “yeah. she’s pretty hot.”
it’s a perversion, but all the women i’ve been most attracted to had the same sort of voice. harsh, whiny, accusatory, etc…
like fran drescher.
or janice.
so sexy.
So what about the wonderlic? Is it a glorified aptitude test or can it seriously count as an IQ test?
Dude, yeah, that’s a great question. I took an online Wonderlic (I can post the link later if you want), and scored a 36 out of 50, which equates to an IQ of 132 by multiplying your score by two and adding sixty.
That’s the same as Aaron Rodgers. I think the Wonderlic tests for processing speed on the Weschler’s as they are similar tests, usually consisting of mainly arithmetic, some logic questions, and a bit of vocab. The Wonderlic also tests for mental speed over anything else. The questions are easy, it’s all about having the mental quickness to do them.
I think the Wonderlic accurately predicts QB success in the NFL and is an even better predictor for life after football, actually. If you look at the Wonderlic scores and who become announcers, then it is apparent that it is usually those who score high on the Wonderlic.
I wouldn’t say my IQ is a 132 though as I severely lack in the visual-spatial category, but I would say I am at least a 120, but I think I asked a very very intelligent friend of mine and he said Weschler’s and Wonderlic correlated around .9 if I remember correctly. He scored a 43 or 44, so I don’t know if he was confounding the truth or not to substantiate his claims of a higher intelligence.
I’ve taken various online wonderlic tests and ranged 23 to 41. I would like to say practice effect wouldn’t be heavily loaded here, because I felt the questions were pretty diverse – or at least I didn’t remember them from several months in between each take (from different sites).
I think, though, that prospective NFL players are given practice time to prepare for the wonderlic, which may inflate some scores. When I took the Mensa wonderlic, save for a few questions, most were pretty much of the same type as many you find online. The difference is that it’s not entirely multiple choice, so your online score and speed may not closely reflect how you will do on a paper test.
Yeah, that’s very true, a lot of the questions are fill-in-the-blanks that I came across. The website I used was https://footballiqscore.com/. Literally the same format as a regular Wonderlic you’re talking about, except online instead of paper. Various problems, mostly fill-in-the-blanks, etc. Very solid test in general. Most arithmetic and logic questions are surprisingly fill-in-the-blank as they ask you a question, and want an exact answer. So overall, I’d say the Wonderlic, at least the one I took, can be determined as being valid, reliable, and robust. But the effect you said practice had is probably real, as familiarity helps a lot and a focus on being speed-oriented can boost scores by maybe 4-5 questions.
The link again is https://footballiqscore.com/. I’d recommend anyone here that thinks they’re smart *cough, cough, Puppy Person* to take it. It’s a really fun, great test and I think is a valid measure of IQ.
Just checked out the test again on that particular site, I would say it’s very culturally-loaded, however. Like I mentioned before, lots of arithmetic, which a test-taker may benefit from using a paper and pencil, lots of unscrambling words, etc. So test familiarity is a big deal. That site is probably the best. I’ll try checking out a few others, I have in the past, and seeing what holds up for the test in general.
Yeah, I guess my score may have been boosted by familiarity of speed and not being flustered. Personally I suck at the wonderlic. Maybe that means my IQ isn’t that great. But I also have the RAIT to look forward to. Easier questions, just gotta move fast.
I scored 31/50 on the wonderlic test sample website (first attempt), which equates roughly to an iq of 120. My WAIS IV fsiq is 114. I suspect the wonderlic weighs more heavily on verbal/crystallised intelligence.
really? did you go to the website that I linked to or did you find a different one? i always assumed the Wonderlic was a lot more fluid intelligence, especially since it lacks a specific sub-category that requires you to have recall of information. But yeah, that’s a pretty good Wonderlic score. Did you get through all the questions? As I’ve said in earlier posts, the difficulty level does not increase as you go through the test, so the questions vary strongly in difficulty. Guessing on the harder questions or leaving them blank and doing the easier ones first is an advantage people have on the written ones, so I assume it’ll be harder online because you can’t come back to a question again.
Regardless, good job. What other things did you notice about the Wonderlic? Just want to appease my curiosity on how good of a test it is and what it tests for.
I used http://wonderlictestsample.com/50-question-wonderlic-test/
Yes, I got through all the questions, the test definitely requires you to think quickly. Some of the Wonderlic questions are very similar to the WAIS VIQ subtests namely vocabulary, similarities, arithmetic. I think it is a good intelligence test but probably lacking in spatial/nonverbal fluid reasoning items, at least on the online versions.
interesting: fran drescher, like gwen stefani, was totally down with the south asian cock.
and i sold CWB weeks ago. so i won the contest. CWB has done better than the GBP.
i also sold all of my WEED.TO position near the top.
so no positions in canuckistan, but thinking of buying canadian treasuries.
Now that trump has crashed the stock market, I’m thinking of buying stocks. Something diversified since the Dow Jones always goes up in the long-run.
that girl in It’s a Wonderful Life is so much sexier than any non-white woman it’s sad.
and we’ll all live to see it…
the alt-right will win.
not because russia, but because the alt-right is closer to the truth than any of its competitors.
just listen to that unruhe striker vid.
they talk about the real shit.
they don’t play games.
they don’t lie.
just look at what they’ve done.
the elite is scared.
because it knows it’s full of shit.
IT KNOWS IT’S NOT REALLY ELITE. IT KNOWS IT’S JUST SNOBS.
no one laughs like that unless he has autism…or….
as i remarked on professor shoe’s blog…white gentiles beat the jews when they stop drinking and start taking amphetamines.
Many blacks and whites don’t talke synthetic drugs like Jews ans Asians. Disregarding anti depressants…
Could this prove that multiple intelligences do exist, since there isn’t that strong of a correlation between spatial IQ and art ability?