Commenter Ben writes:
The correlation between creativity and IQ isn’t particularly strong, is it?
I’ve always been very confused about this issue. On the one hand, when I think of intelligent people, I think of boring geeky people with no personality, like Laurie Strode from the original Halloween movie.
And yet, when I think of intelligence itself, I think of creativity. In fact longtime readers know that I define intelligence as the cognitive capacity for adaptive behavior; the ability to take whatever situation you’re in and turn it around to your advantage, like when Laurie creatively turned a clothes hanger into a weapon in the film’s climax.
Many psychologists would simply define intelligence as the cognitive ability to problem solve, which is a more succinct way of saying the same thing. These same psychologists would say creativity is the ability to have ideas that are both novel and valuable.
Well if an idea is valuable, it’s solved a problem has it not? And if it’s novel, it means you’ve solved a problem few would have solved, which means you have a high IQ, right?
IQ tests are designed to measure g (whatever variable(s) “cause” all cognitive abilities to positively correlate) and as Charles Spearman noted, the best measures of g test the “eduction of relations and correlates”. In other words, the tests that correlate most with IQ require you to see connections between seemingly different things (like a clothes hanger and a weapon), which as Spearman noted, is the essence of creative output in science, politics, and the arts.
So why then do we draw such a distinction between IQ and creativity? And why do high IQ people often seem so uncreative?
It’s often said that necessity is the mother of invention. High IQ people may seem uncreative because they don’t have to solve new problems or solve problems in new ways. Because the conventional path is so easy for them, why depart from it?
While a poor student might drop out of high school to start a business or write a novel, a high IQ person might eschew such goals as too risky, and simply stay in school and settle for a happy middle class life.
At the highest levels, an IQ of 160 doesn’t need to invent a whole new way of doing physics because he understands the conventional formulas. By contrast an IQ of 150 might struggle to understand the textbook and be forced to simulate the problem using concrete examples, perhaps leading to new insights and a Nobel Prize.
So while IQ and creativity are more or less the same thing, high IQ people might be less likely to end up situations where creativity is required, thus making them achieve less creatively than they could. Further, if you believe Rushton’s differential K theory, a lot of high IQ people will be introverted mentally stable rule followers, which will make them seem less creative than extroverted psychotics.
However there may be some ways in which IQ and creativity are quite different. IQ tests measure the ability to solve problems under standardized conditions: everyone is trying to solve the same problems in the same amount of time. But this can be quite different from how creativity works, where people solve problems they’re not even trying to solve.
For a example, someone might see a beautiful lake and suddenly feel inspired to write a poem about it. If the poem is valued by others, it can be considered an acted of problem solving in that it filled a needed space in the arts. But because the artist can’t just voluntarily decide to write another beautiful poem the next week (he has to wait for the next flash of inspiration), it may not qualify as an ability in the technical literature, and since intelligence is an ability, this type of creativity might be largely separate from IQ. It would still be correlated with IQ, because inspiration requires seeing connections, but there’s also an involuntary non-ability component linked to psychosis (perhaps low latent inhibition) which lowers the correlation.
for example if one had a group of ten random people take five different tests all correlated at .85, the difference between highest and lowest score would look something like the following:
19
25
17
9
20
6
15
11
6
11
and that’s assuming homoskedasticity, which is known to be false at the high end due to spearman’s law.
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so suppose you were the person with a maximum difference of 25. this isn’t so uncommon that it means anything. in order to sound pseudoscientific psychiatrists often result to speaking of pathology being so many SDs from the mean.
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…often resort to speaking…
It’s even worse than that because many tests correlate less than 0.7.
I’ve often said that part of the reason there’s so much IQ inflation is people often take many tests and then only report their highest score. The trouble is if every American took five tests and only reported their highest score, the average IQ would be well above 100 which is a contradiction in terms.
IQ inflation operates not only at the individual level but the group level too. The average Ivy League IQ is reported to be in the 140s based on their SAT scores, but in many cases, the SAT would be the highest score of any test they took, because part of what’s being selected is getting lucky on the admission test.
So, to report IQs, do you suggest people use the mode or the average of all the scores, maybe the median?
when spearman’s law is taken into account one would see that those at the low end had a narrower gap between highest and lowest than those at the top on average.
so if one insisted on assigning a single number to a person and calling it his “IQ” the best would be to take the average of all the IQ tests he’s ever taken. if one could assign a pair of numbers than the highest and the lowest.
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…numbers then the highest and the lowest…
the insistence on a single figure is low IQ and autistic, like prometheans and [redacted by pp, Dec 10, 2018].
supposedly feynman, nixon, shockley all scored below the terman cut off.
terman should’ve used multiple tests, a larger battery.
and should’ve selected multiple times over multiple ages.
What about the people with average IQs who are extremely creative? I must contest with you, I don’t think IQ and creativity is the same thing. Some studies show that creativity can heavily vary between IQs, with some in the 120s coming up with creative answers, others not, and some average IQ folk coming up with creative answers.
Read the end of my article. I talk about some differences between IQ and creativity.
My bad.
but if you’re just testing for academic aptitude then the ability to make sandwiches is irrelevant.
peepee has said that the wechsler performance section primarily tests the ability to make sandwiches.
It also tests a certain kind of math genius that the math SAT doesn’t seem to predict very well.
so the best measure of IQ is also only available for high IQ people, as they are the only ones who have taken multiple IQ tests.
you are high iq too. Stop drinking too much. Allow your brain to ‘recover’. Skip drinking on certain days, or taper it down if you have to drink everyday. Sleep well…..reduce screen brightness of your laptop and download flux software. Three clicks it takes. Reduce screen brightness of smartphone too. Download twilight or similar app for your smartphone. And no coffee after 11:00 a.m. No tea if any, after 5 p.m.
Once your sleep is settled, start ‘walking’ half a mile a day in the mornings. Then increase the distance to one mile. After that point, stop walking and start jogging. Jogging will help you permanently kick your smoking and drinking habits. While also increasing reaction time and processing speed on IQ tests. But jog only the same distance after you reach a certain endurance point. Figure out the distance to jog that most suits you and stick to it. And maintain it. Dont decrease or increase it. Atleast for a year.
Completely avoid softdrinks. Taper the habit down if you drink everyday. Even zero cal ones. One or two but once a week is fine though. And avoid sea food completely. We dont know how much of it contaminated by that japan radiation.
I honestly think that IQ tests actually do test for creativity. As noted by PP noted, in IQ tests one is constantly trying to come up with various ideas as to how to solve the problem. This in and of itself is a creative endeavor. This notion that IQ and creativity aren’t linked is nonsense in my view, it may have been an attempt by mediocre IQ people trying to lay claim to a high value cognitive ability despite their lackluster intelligence.
I remember reading a study once that reported roughly a 0.3 correlation of IQ with creativity but what was far more striking in this study was the fact that they noticed an IQ threshold above which truly creative people cluster. That threshold ranges from 115 to 120 meaning that most productive and profoundly creative people will invariably have an IQ of 120+. This is known as the threshold hypothesis. Now what this basically means is that above 120 the correlation is significantly reduced since one has a high enough IQ to reliably produce valuable ideas if they have a particularly fertile mind.
The area in which the correlation seems to remain fairly steady across the entire range of IQ is creative achievement. Meaning that as your IQ increases you are more likely to hit a high rate of creative output and the quality of that output tends to increase linearly as your IQ increases even at the extreme levels. This may be in part due to the fact that a higher IQ allows one to plan and map their days better in order to extract the best out of their ability more consistently. A high IQ could also help in staving off psychosis or other issues as a result of having a particularly fertile mind.
In other words the higher the IQ the better able one is to turn their creative potential into real world achievement while the cut off for what is considered true creative potential seems to be around an IQ of 120. In real world parameters this may translate to a creative person of IQ 120 being able to produce something of sublime creativity once every few years with a few less impressive examples sprinkled throughout while a person of IQ 160 who also exhibits high creativity will be able to bang out sublime creative achievements at a much higher rate.
“High IQ people may seem uncreative because they don’t have to solve new problems or solve problems in new ways. ”
This is a good point to make, I like this post.
Neural connections become stronger the more you use them, the stronger and more automatic these neural connections are, the more instinctual and rigid they become.
Meaning, people with higher skill in certain domains, should actually have a harder time thinking outside of the box within that domain. Especially if you adhere to a strict set of principles that govern the skill. Now this doesn’t mean creativity should necessarily be negatively correlated with high IQ. In fact high IQ people still show more novel adaptability, but only because high Intelligence individuals have a larger pool of domains(general knowledge) to apply to their specific one of interest. Faster processing speed could possibly make up for less synaptic plasticity.
Creativity is itself an aspect of intelligence. I’m starting to think that maybe Average IQ people are actually the most intelligent.
Pumpkin head is a good addition to this blog.
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I actually agree with a lot of the points you made. I certainly think that creativity is an important aspect of intelligence.
People have romanticized creativity as of late and conflate novel with creative. Novel is one aspect of creativity, the other is utility. Any idiot can come up with one hundred ideas but only 1 will be of any value. High IQ creatives will run through 10 ideas before they hit one of value.
A strong characteristic of a high IQ is efficiency. This is what I think differentiates high IQ creatives, they spend less time coming up with solutions and don’t need to spend too much time thinking laterally before they find a satisfactory solution.
One does find high IQ individuals with seemingly low levels of creativity but I think this might be more of a temperamental quality, could it be that these people are strongly left brained and are uncomfortable engaging their right side of the brain for long? It’s possible, but I often see people being labelled creative or tout themselves as creative but in my view are nothing of the sort. The low IQ supposed creatives have created a cult of creativity for themselves, this can be seen in art where quite often they will attribute great meaning to something after the fact in innumerable ways that just simply isn’t there, Jackson Pollock paintings come to mind along with a great deal of postmodern art. A fertile mind is fine and all but a fertile mind that is also utilitarian, now that is a force to be reckoned with.
I think creativity is related to brain inter-connectivity between regions, and according to some new papers, may be related to the efficiency of the brains default network.
I’ve been lucky enough to meet and work with some very intelligent people (real IQs >145, top of the top IVY league math and philosophy types) and creativity seems almost uncorrelated with intelligence. Some people just don’t see connections or enjoy dealing with novelty.
ts
As per this study:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3682183/
above an IQ of 120 creative potential reduces in correlation to IQ, knowns as the threshold hypothesis. Which is probably why when interacting with only high IQ individuals you might not see a particular trend in creativity. In other words it would seem random to you who is highly creative and who is less so, where someone with lower credentials exhibits high creativity while someone with a high IQ and credentials exhibits lower levels of creativity. What does seem to maintain a steady correlation with IQ is creative achievement, meaning that the higher the IQ the more likely you are to find someone who puts their creative potential to practice and has a higher output of creative achievement than say someone of a lower IQ. Note that creativity can manifest in ways that are often imperceptible, it is not solely relegated to the arts or social interaction. Any time someone cracks a problem from a novel perspective they are engaging their creative mind and Mathematicians do a lot of that.
Also in my experience creativity is not a one size fits all, it is not something that can be seen in all aspects of someone’s life. It requires tremendous cognitive infrastructure to tame it and keep it from running wild. So you will often see people that exhibit tremendous creativity in certain areas and not in others. It also mostly resides in the right side of the brain and if one chooses to be highly creative ALL the time this would require constant heightened engagement of the right side of your brain and trust me when I say that the right side of the brain is not a side you want to be stuck in for extended periods of time. You can learn more about this here:
There seems to be some validity to the idea that creativity might have something to do with better interconnected regions of the brain but it’s possible that too much connectivity might have the reverse effects. I think one is better off with optimal connectivity, kind of like a fine tuned engine.
ts
To clarify, what the threshold hypothesis suggests is that the bare minimum IQ for high creativity to be sustainable, reliable and qualitatively sound is 120. Above this level it seems that one would have enough intelligence to reliably temper, amplify and get the most out of a particularly fertile mind and not waste too much time on less fruitful endeavors. Implying that almost all highly creative people have an IQ of at least 120.
I appreciate the response. Sorry for the late one that I am providing. In reality I kind of agree with RR that the right/ left brain explanation is sort of a myth in the sense that creativity is not only seated in one part of the brain. In reality, creativity is an amalgamation of multiple physiological and biological processes that are occurring within the brain. The brain is still somewhat modular in the sense that there are specific regions dedicated to particular tasks like the visual cortex or the temporal lobes.
True.
https://www.livestrong.com/article/81868-parts-brain-influence-creativity/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5318918/
Was bobby fischer jewish?
Most of the top ten great chess players of all time are either full jewish or half-jewish. Bobby fisher is full jewish.
”There seems to be some validity to the idea that creativity might have something to do with better interconnected regions of the brain ”
Ofcourse! XD. Better connectivity between creative parts of the brain leads to better creativity.
There is a source too:
https://newatlas.com/creative-throught-brain-activity-networks/53025/
On another note: better connectivity between intelligent parts of the brain leads to more intelligence.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parieto-frontal_integration_theory https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/02/100222161843.htm?utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=ScienceDaily_TMD_1&utm_source=TMD
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/11/171122103552.htm?utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=ScienceDaily_TMD_1&utm_source=TMD
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/320152.php
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289615000562?via=ihub
Should it be called PFCC Theory. More aptly?
Along with brain size being a huge factor too for both.
Brain size helps in multi-tasking and memory. I remember RR saying it helps in expertise capacity..in another discussion. If two people score the same on an IQ test, and one of them has a bigger brain than the other, that bigger brained person person would more likely be having a better memory and multi-tasking ability. I have noticed it among people i know too.
And…creativity= Mostly divergent thinking and some convergent thinking. Divergent thinking used for convergent tasks. Intelligence= Mostly convergent thinking with some divergent thinking. Convergent thinking used for divergent tasks.
This was a reply to PH’s comment.
I guess i should have said, better connectivity between certain ‘specific’ parts of the brain leads to creativity. And better connectivity between other ‘specific’ parts of the brain leads to intelligence. I am posting drunk too. XD.
And better interconnectivity between these….creative parts, intelligence parts…leads to high IQ creative types?
Interesting. For me creativity is the ability to make something new and something that we all possess and can choose to express in a multitude of ways. Thanks for sharing.
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