Commenter pumpkinhead made an interesting comment. I pasted it below in blockquotes, with my replies following the quotes:
I read somewhere that we inherited the genes for depression from Neanderthals. That might have had something to do with their demise. Also I formulated another hypothesis. It may seem simplistic but it looks like humans are fairly obsessed with beauty. Now I understand that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, or is it? Links have been made to the golden ratio, symmetry and proportionality as the qualities that render someone more strikingly beautiful to us. In fact we seem to be obsessed with the idea of symmetry, even among intellectuals and with regard to women beauty is associated with higher fertility and good health.
Is beauty entirely cosmetic? Maybe it is or it may well have on some level and on average a link to survivability. It may tap into both brains and brawn on some level. Narrower more feminine faces in men tilt towards the perception of greater intelligence. Is this perception valid? It might be on some level, due to smaller more slender body types having to rely more heavily on brains to get by. On the flip side brawny manly looking men look like they could defend themselves and their family better but then too brawny, might I say neanderthal-like might be too much of a compromise in terms of beauty. I guess it’s about the right balance between the two on a mass population level.
Well I think humans have an aesthetic preference for tall and thin (like modern humans coming out of Africa) over short and stocky (like Neanderthals adapted to the cold). Donald Trump wants to build the tallest buildings, not the widest. Young children assume the tall glass contains more water than the short glass, even if the former is much narrower. Short men often fear getting too bulky when lifting weights.
This preference may be linked to survivability in that physical size is so metabolically expensive that investing it as efficiently as possible is crucial. Vertical size might be superior to horizontal size in that you can reach further, walk faster, jump higher, move quicker, and see further. Horizontal size provides more raw physical strength, but with technology that became increasingly redundant.
So to get to my point, could it be that the Neanderthals died out because they were too ugly and too depressed in comparison to modern humans?
Of course evidence points towards humans basically edging them out of europe and into extinction but simply based on brain size they may well have had the cognitive tools to survive on par with humans(maybe better) but were simply unable to compete with their better looking cousins in terms of procreation.
And if, as you imply, the reason modern humans were considered better looking is because their bodies were more survivable, then they enjoyed a double evolutionary advantage: winning out both in natural selection and then in sexual selection.
Neanderthals might have had larger brains than us but their brains were less spherical, making them less efficient, since as we’ve discussed, the rounder the brain, the shorter the distance between any two points in the brain, thus maximizing efficiency.
Not only that but once modern humans entered freezing Europe, brain size expanded to Neanderthal levels, so not only were Neanderthal brains less efficient, but they were no longer any larger, and may have even been smaller after adjusting for their robust build.
Modern European brains would then shrink with the malnutrition and disease of agriculture, only to recover quite nicely in the well nourished 20th century First World, helping to bring about the Flynn effect.

21st century woman appears to have a much bigger brain than Neanderthal reconstruction, though it could be the camera angle
My other hypothesis is that humans might carry genes for ruthlessness disagreeableness and greater sociability(ie less genes on the spectrum) that might have been missing in Neanderthals therefore giving us the edge in the long run.
Yes there’s some fascinating evidence that Neanderthals had autistic traits.
More human supremacist drivel.
i wanna see pictures of neanderthal penises.
Neanderthals look like they didnt have frontal lobes as developed as us. Also the hyoid bone thing. Leading to the lack of language development as advanced as ours. There by making it difficult to organise, communicate the level of concepts as those of us.
You said these were excellent points PP. And now you didnt even mention these.
I am going to cry myself to sleep tonight.
Neanderthals possibly compensated for their less efficient brains by evolving more cold adapted body types(bergman, allen’s rule.). Lanky builds might be more attractive (i havent looked into it) but they also have higher fitness in warmer environments.
Assuming Cro magnon reached the point where the brain was large enough that ecological issues posed very little of a threat to their overall proliferation, they could keep their Tropical bodies.
Neanderthals were simply not social enough.
Compare nordics and Asians on these traits…
Asians are the most organised, nordics the least.
In what way?
In east asian countries people are very organised. Tons of people work well as a team, be it infrastructure projects, like during 60s 70s when lots of infrastructure was built by them in their countries. Or in factories, companies today.
Even in military, mongol army had thousands of horseriders who rode in formation. Even romans couldnt do that. Vikings were the least organised, most of their armies consisted of relatively smaller groups of roving bands rather than a professional sized army.
You deleted my first essay on cults and basically emasculated my discussion of [redacted by pp, dec 8, 2018] even though I say PC things about it. What is your deal? So bizarre.
You can be so dense sometimes:
“I told my girlfriend she was not the ugliest thing I’d ever seen. She dumped me even though I took the PC position. What’s the deal? So bizarre”
To answer youre assertion that Bill Gates ‘opted out’ of evolution by choosing to promote the offspring of africa due to a ‘rational’ (hahahaha) decision…
Bill Gates can’t ‘opt out’ of evolution. Those african children will grow up and effect the world he and his biological children inhabit. Everything Bill Gates does, says and thinks is done under the primerose spotlight of the evolutionary heat lamp.
The fact he made an idiotic decision will rebound on him, and many of us that weren’t involved in that decision. The reason I lambast Bill is because he makes people suffer for a crazed notion that he is ‘doing good’. Bill doesn’t know the difference between good and bad. So evolution will make it pretty stark when the time comes. And then people like Bill will see the rotted fruits of their labours.
Heres an academic question.
If the population of Africa goes up and that of all others will decline. Which place will the world most resemble?
(a) Bern, Switzerland (2018)
(b) London (1965)
(c) Detroit (present day)
(d) Cape Town (1981)
The answer is ____
If it wasnt for womens rights in teutonic europe (germany, austria, scandinavia, benelux baltic countries and switzerland), and lets say the german collectivist eu-genics group won ww2, we could assume the fertility rate to be 3, maybe even higher. And lets assume that an fertility rate of 3 equals an population growth of 1,7358490566% every year.
Then teutonic europes population would be around 123 million in 1950, and with the aformentioned growth be 403 million by 2018. Thats an deficit of (136-403=) 267 million people compared to today.
Damn…
Btw, the assumption came from looking at the population growth of germany in 1960 (0,8%), and multiplying it by 11,5/5,3 (1.7358490566) or in other words the Natural change per 1000 of year; 1911/1960. I chose 1911 as it had an fertility rate of 3,8 , but an larger mortality rate.
If we see american caucasians get (0,84 x 153) x 1,017358490566^68 = 414 million.
If we assume an GDP PC of 45k, wed get an GDP of 37 trillion. But the levels of innovation i cant entierly number, i suspect it to be exponentiall.
SAD!
The demand for resources alone would end third world poverty and throught that decrase third world fertility rates.
Slavic lands, southern africa, china and latam would be worst of. But Africa, india and MENA might have been better of if the german nativist party won. The world as an whole might have been better of. Wierd stuff.
Spider Man game is really good. I endorse.
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Was looking through this to figure out how the jews were involved. To my surprise, it seems to have been created by blacks. I was a bit shocked by this as usually all anti racism charities and ‘activism’ is organised by jews (because as puppy says, higher IQ people have greater knowledge of morality).
High IQ people are moral, and by extension more pro-black (since moral folks root for underdogs), however not even the Jewish IQ is high enough to explain such extreme pro-black lobbying, which they only show in the West, not Israel. Jewish politics can not be entirely explained by their IQs, a mistake I criticized Jordan Peterson for making. There’s very obvious historical explanation for why they defend minority rights in countries where they’re the minority. And Jews are not the only group to shift their politics depending on where they are. East Indians are also much more liberal in the West than they are in their home countries. You have trouble holding two different ideas in your head at the same time.
The two ideas being:
1) pro-blackness is moral
2) pro-blackness is a political strategy
Ok the following 3 scenarios are ‘underdogs’. Tell me which of the you would root for.
1. The Nazis in ww2
.2. The KKK vs FBI/Media/General world jewry
3. alt right vs mainstream conservative/liberal ‘thought’
I want you to tell me why you wouldn’t endorse these ‘underdogs’. Im not going to ask you to explain why the underdog is a moral position in an of itself, that might make your head explode. So ill keep it simple.
I’d probably root for #3 assuming you’re talking about responsible alt-righters like steve sailer & not mean spirited ones. I think people are morally justified in resisting open borders & i think many of the people who push for it have evil intent.
My conception of morality is admittedly simplistic. Rooting for the underdog shows compassion which i associate with moral.
My sense is that typically people tend to be liberal as part of a diaspora whereas in their home nation they tend to take a more nationalistic position. It makes perfect sense, liberalism generally defends the weak or marginalized while right wingers tend to be less concerned with the plight of minorities and while not necessarily oppressive(if you discount the racists) they rather advocate for their culture’s best interest including urging minorities to assimilate. Most normal right wingers I know tend to be quite accepting of minorities as long as they show that they value their adopted nation. IMO that is the least you can ask from a foreigner. All too often though a lot of this gets lost in translation and of course left wingers are there to capitalize and throw around their favorite words(nazi, fascist, racist etc).
As for Jews I have noticed a shift in their stance as of late. More and more Jews seem to be coming out in defense of centrists and right wingers, especially with today’s PC, SJW, nonsense. Quite a few in fact are becoming more vocal about the need to address some controversial topics like race and IQ, gender differences etc. Jonathan Haidt is one, Steven Pinker is another, the Weinstein brothers(particularly Bret, though one needs to read between the lines a little but once you do you will realize that for the most part he has his head screwed on right), Dave Rubin, Sam Harris came to the defense of Charles Murray and I’m sure there’s more. Then we have Jordan Peterson(though he’s not Jewish) and several other prominent figures realizing the regressive trajectory the left has taken and they’ve pretty much decided it’s time to settle these issues once and for all. So I think Jews have moved significantly to the center in the last few years, particularly now that they are not facing as much discrimination as in the past. In time I think Jews will side with Whites in the US and elsewhere as migrants, illegal immigration and an increasing latino population threatens the balance of power.
I don’t believe in conspiracy theories regarding the Jews being responsible for this push for globalism. I think that is strictly pushed by corporate elites paradoxically as of late banding together with naive Marxists/leftists(among which invariably one would find a lot of affluent or pseudo-intellectual Jews).
As for moral folks rooting for underdogs, I really don’t think that is true. That seems to imply that the strong are inherently the bad guys. I think that is a nonsense approach. Truly moral people tend to be impartial and adhere to principles of meritocracy, justice, the truth and fairness(not to be confused with equality or equity). This does not mean that you ignore the plight of the weak or refrain from lending your support to someone that looks like they desperately need it but you make sure that you separate their plight from the various issues at hand. Unfortunately in the west we suffer from what I call “underdog syndrome” where we invariably consciously or subconsciously decide that the underdog is the good guy and the strong or “privileged” is the bad guy. I blame hollywood propaganda for drilling this ridiculous approach into people. Life is far more complicated than that.
I don’t believe in conspiracy theories regarding the Jews being responsible for this push for globalism. I think that is strictly pushed by corporate elites paradoxically as of late banding together with naive Marxists/leftists(among which invariably one would find a lot of affluent or pseudo-intellectual Jews).
This sounds a bit contradictory. On the one hand you’re saying jews are not behind it; on the other hand you’re saying corporations + largely jewish SJWs are behind it.
I know you don’t think the jewish SJWs are conspiring, but members of groups don’t need to conspire to advance group interests.
“This sounds a bit contradictory. On the one hand you’re saying jews are not behind it; on the other hand you’re saying corporations + largely jewish SJWs are behind it.”
I realized after the fact that I wasn’t clear enough on that point and it could be seen as if I’m contradicting myself. So here’s what I’m trying to say. I don’t think that this is a Jewish conspiracy, I just think it is circumstantial. A lot of rich people are Jewish, a good number of them are part of the corporate elites. The corporate elites who broadly speaking transcend nationality or ethnicity want a global world in order to expand their corporate empires and allow for easier movement of goods, better friction-less access to resources and cheap labor. It just so happens that a good number of globalists are Jewish by virtue of their wealth but in my view little else. One could argue that they have been semi-nomadic for the last 2000 years strongly bounded by their religion therefore seeing no importance for nationality but personally I think the link between diaspora and liberalism among all ethnic groups explains their political leanings in a far better way. So basically IMO globalism is simply an elite idea(in it’s current iteration) regardless of ethnicity, the Jews are a small part of that in absolute terms but significant in relative terms. In other words if we take the Jews out of the equation globalism would still be around pushed by the remaining elites. It’s no surprise then that in 2018 they are slowly shifting their focus on putting a check on the societal over-correction that kicked off from the racial conflicts of the 60s.
“I know you don’t think the jewish SJWs are conspiring, but members of groups don’t need to conspire to advance group interests.”
Basically what I’m trying to say! I think what we are experiencing today is an odd combination of half baked ideas entering the social conscience and refusing to go away. The reason they are still lingering is that they are appealing to the poorly educated and naive, they sound utopian, ideal, a perfect solution to all our problems etc Marxism wasn’t thought up by a Jew in the 19th century, the seeds for communism go way back. Probably all major civilizations flirted with the concept at one point or other. One can see Plato even flirt with these ideas over two thousand years before Marx and lets not forget Christianity.
In any case we have the leftists who seem infected by their convictions probably an artifact of their innate predispositions(high on empathy, socially inclined etc), throw in the mix opportunists and we get the odd couple of the elites(both the affluent and academic elites) and leftists resulting in the current state of affairs. These elites live in a world where the only membership criterion is wealth, whether that is monetary or academic wealth. It is an exclusive club where IQ seems to be the one human quality that gives anyone the strongest chance of entry. Well all ethnicities have individuals with high IQ’s hence why the elites are so incredibly culturally diverse. You get Americans rubbing shoulders with Europeans, Chinese, Japanese, Indians, even Africans. This is particularly evident in academia where their PC culture has edged them closer to this “utopian” microcosm. What they fail to understand is that the rest of the population has to contend with much greater IQ variance but most importantly cultural variance. Which is why their plan will not work. The social dynamics, the logistics of it simply won’t allow it.
The only way a one world utopia/government would be possible is that first the world would have to become far more culturally homogeneous(one language, religion, morals etc). That will take many many generations. Then the IQ debate needs to be settled and people need to come to terms with human biodiversity. Enough that they stop this silly practice of blaming everyone else but themselves for their predicaments. As long as they think that people are all inherently the same then their failures will invariably(in their minds) be because they are somehow being oppressed or disadvantaged. Society needs to move past this mothering phase that the left seems so enamored with. Of course they won’t do any of that because there is a lot of money you can extort and guilt society out of by playing the victim(this applies to all races by the way). Then people need to respect each other’s boundaries, freedom of association needs to be paramount, meaning that if a white woman doesn’t respond to a black man’s advances(or vice versa) the black man doesn’t get to scream racism. Then we need to get back to a proper meritocratic system and logic needs to become a primal quality in daily life such that stupid ideas and comments get promptly dismantled and not be protected by PC doctrines or ideological dogmas. The current discourse is highly inefficient and riddled with PC nonsense. Then we need to instantiate quotas in such a way that all the poor from around the world can’t decide to move and set up shop in all the rich countries. That is until we somehow figure out how to raise the living standard of all countries around the world to a satisfactory level. Finally we would have to come to some consensus on how to govern the world with common laws and common values.
In other words it’s a pipe dream! We are 200 years away from it, if it even happens at all. One thing that could speed it up is genetic engineering, but even then there will invariably be stratification by way of who has access to the better technology. The bottom line is there are two fundamental qualities of all life forms that are simply impossible to overcome, a) Nearly everything in nature follows a normal distribution(more or less) b) Like attracts like and for some unavoidable, logically valid and compelling reasons. We simply cannot engineer a society that overcomes those two forces of nature and if we do we end up creating robots, sheep and cause catastrophic regression to the mean. That is unless our AI overlords figure out how to somehow make it all work 😉
You see the mistake a lot of people on the left make is that they think that once hunger and abject poverty is eliminated around the world, that’s it problem solved. Well sure a very important problem is solved(s it should) but they forget that humans are social beings and we are inherently hierarchical, which means that all that happens when poverty is reduced is that the bar gets edged up and a whole new set of grievances is introduced to the social psyche. It never ends, new standards will be set and they will settle into a whole new social struggle with all the pathologies that it spawns. We are getting a glimpse of it with supposed hate speech, and all these protected groups and so called “progressive” ideas on university campuses and elsewhere. Now any sign that you might be perceived to speak in a way that is deemed uncharitable to a particular group you can get in serious trouble for it. It is the new form of “slavery”, a supposed oppression of words. People are being oh so held back by this language(not just racial groups but all sorts of minority groups). In fact it is so bad that were it not for this there would be no differences between people at all. In other words they are teaching people how to whine, how to game the system and come up with all sorts of excuses for their shortcomings, forgetting that it is this whining that is mostly holding them back. It is truly a rat race out there and any time wasted complaining is time lost in trying to stay ahead of the curve. In other words they are creating their own mental slavery because they would rather wollow in that world than fully enroll in the school of hard knocks.
Pardom my long, self helpish, preachy, somewhat pedantic comments today lol I am getting a little irritated by what is going on and how much time is wasted on these things on a daily basis by the media and society in general. It is highly regressive and the West might end up paying the price in the long run. I doubt that the Chinese are wasting even one tenth of their time on such nonsense. Which reminds me, I better get cracking on that Mandarin 😉
I realized after the fact that I wasn’t clear enough on that point and it could be seen as if I’m contradicting myself. So here’s what I’m trying to say. I don’t think that this is a Jewish conspiracy, I just think it is circumstantial. A lot of rich people are Jewish, a good number of them are part of the corporate elites. The corporate elites who broadly speaking transcend nationality or ethnicity want a global world in order to expand their corporate empires and allow for easier movement of goods, better friction-less access to resources and cheap labor. It just so happens that a good number of globalists are Jewish by virtue of their wealth but in my view little else. One could argue that they have been semi-nomadic for the last 2000 years strongly bounded by their religion therefore seeing no importance for nationality but personally I think the link between diaspora and liberalism among all ethnic groups explains their political leanings in a far better way.
But Jews are not just any diaspora. They were expelled from over 100 countries & only recently endured a holocaust, so it would be completely understandable for Jews to be especially opposed to ethnic nationalism in countries where they’re a minority. Not only that, but Muslims migrating to Europe benefits Israel because (a) it gets them out of the middle east, and (b) when Muslims misbehave in white countries, whites side with Israel against Muslims (Bush invaded Iraq, Trump is tough on Iran). Given their high IQs, I think many Jews are smart enough to see these benefits.
So basically IMO globalism is simply an elite idea(in it’s current iteration) regardless of ethnicity, the Jews are a small part of that in absolute terms but significant in relative terms.
But even in absolute terms Jews have enormous power. They’re about a third of all U.S. billionaires and probably a much greater percentage of politically active billionaires. They’re 50% of the most influential U.S. political pundits.
In other words if we take the Jews out of the equation globalism would still be around pushed by the remaining elites.
On the other hand open borders are primarily pushed in countries where diaspora Jews have power, and only started getting pushed after they got power. Coincidence?
That doesn’t prove they’re conspiring. It just means that most people instinctively push their ethnic genetic interests. Jews are just better at it, given their IQs, wealth & power. And they’re understandably more motivated given their history of persecution.
PP
Anytime a theory is proposed I ask myself one crucial question, “to what end”? Or as Aristotle put it what is the “telos”, or what is the purpose of this conspiracy?
Now, in my view open borders can only be catastrophic for a nation at large, particularly if that nation is surrounded or within “walking distance” of many other poor nations. In terms of trying to build a better nation it is simply catastrophic. As I have mentioned the only people that stand to gain from this are large corporations and the elites that run them, that is assuming that they somehow manage to keep the country from unraveling completely. The people that pay the price for this is pretty much everyone outside the 1%, probably with the poor and middle class taking the bulk of the hit. So if Jews in general want these open borders as some sort of overall greater good and a way to safeguard their future they are in fact undermining their own interests because the nation would be worse off for it, weaker and compromised. So in a sense if they are afraid of persecution from within what they are doing would put them at risk of persecution from outside forces.
So in my view it is safe to say that if we want to figure out the telos of this conspiracy there are only two possible sources:
1. Corporate elites wanting to set up ideal conditions to further enrich themselves. But they are playing with fire, they aren’t really for open borders, they are for whatever tweaks are necessary to achieve their goals. Open borders is basically a price they have to pay. In this group there are plenty of Jews but the majority are non Jews, so how can we put this solely on the Jews? Do you think that Europeans are dumb, they can’t see through these machinations if they are indeed some grand Jewish conspiracy? Come on man, there are plenty of smart powerful Europeans that would see right through this and probably stop them in their tracks if this was not something that they themselves wanted.
2. Naive leftists that think the world’s only salvation is open borders, globalization and a one world communist government. This group is mostly composed of people that are outside the 1% all across the economic spectrum among which one is likely to find a lot of 2nd and 3rd tier academics(among them many Jews). These people are far too stupid to pose a serious long term threat to society, they are far more likely to self destruct before they see their plan through. Top tier academics that support these ideas actually more than likely belong to the elite group or are working for them. The problem with what is going on here is that these problematic ideas are packaged with some ideas that are generally good which makes them an easier pill to swallow.
As for the Ashkenazi’s being so smart, first you have to consider that they belong to a broader Jewish community of which they only account for about 50%. Millennia of persecution has actually tempered them into what they are today. As they say, what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger. Europe basically turned them into the intellectual giants they are today. One could also argue that their culture and religion is tailor made to eek out every ounce of what their brain is capable of. I certainly think that on a psychological level their religion is designed to instill this feeling of unrivaled uniqueness, the chosen ones so to speak. On a psychological level this is a very powerful tool to help one overcome almost any adversity. This is drilled into them from a young age and it likely never leaves them. So 2000 years of training so to speak, along with their ideally refined culture(value education, selection is bi-modal, not just women choosing a smart man but men choosing a smart woman) plus a religion that is designed to get the best out of them has created a formidable group of people.
However what we see in Europe and the US is essentially the cream of the crop. The actual average Jewish IQ across the world is probably closer to 105 while their genetic IQ might even be less than that(I really think their culture and religion gives them a significant edge). Their average or slightly less than average brain size might bear this out a little. Now of course the magic might be happening under the hood, particularly with Ashkenazi’s and their innately high verbal IQ but verbal is a lot less mentally taxing and energy intensive so they can get more bang for their buck especially in today’s highly verbally oriented world(conspiracy? lol). Visual and math/logical is a lot more work and energy intensive and requires more cognitive real estate, so a bigger brain is a must.
Now guess what, if we take any population and randomly pick people but every other person is not random(we cleverly pick one that is 100+ in IQ) we can create a sub population that is well above average. In fact every population has done this throughout history, the caste system in India, the elites in Europe are perfect example. They have closed themselves off from the rest of the population, they are a class unto themselves with significantly higher IQ’s that the rest of the population. So one is sure to find a sub-population in most countries with a superior IQ.
Jews are semitic and the rest of the semitic people are certifiable dummies by western standards.
In any case what I am trying to say is that I really don’t think that there is a conspiracy here while they only have as much power as the west allows them to. As long as the elite’s interests align with the Jewish elites interests then we get a globalist push. As soon as non Jewish European/US elites decide that this is not for them anymore the Jewish elites will be significantly weakened and very likely forced to shift their focus to something else. Elites do not care much about things like nationality, for them it’s all about power and money and as we all know the two go hand in hand. Just think about it, royal families in Europe have been intermarrying for millennia, this practice probably goes back many many thousands of years. Now I may be making these elites sound incredibly nefarious but in most cases it’s simply a matter of what they can get away with without breaking the system.
Also note that in the past there were very valid reasons to take a more liberal stance. We were suffering the after effects of European imperialism, while we also came very close to going down a dangerous path that was not only power hungry but also had a genocidal bent. As it turns out the left under the communists were far more murderous than the Germans ever were but that is another story for a different day. Point being that one can perfectly understand the stance the Jews took, but remember that it is not only the Jews that took this stance. Are there some insidious forces among Jews, sure there might be but I think there are far greater in number among the rest of the population. The reason people fear the Jews is because they wield much more power than their numbers would imply.
Anytime a theory is proposed I ask myself one crucial question, “to what end”? Or as Aristotle put it what is the “telos”, or what is the purpose of this conspiracy?
Perhaps the purpose was to create environments where Jews can thrive free of the persecution they’ve been fleeing for so long. In a country where everyone’s tall, blond, blue eyed and Christian, Jews are physically and culturally conspicuous, and people resent them dominating the financial and cultural institutions. But when you add a bunch of Southern Europeans, Mexicans, Muslims & Africans, Jews blend in with the white establishment, and their power goes unnoticed while anger shifts to Muslims (which is very convenient for Israel). And one needn’t assume a conspiracy. Just a critical number of individual Jews understanding their interests and having the power to advance them.
So if Jews in general want these open borders as some sort of overall greater good and a way to safeguard their future they are in fact undermining their own interests because the nation would be worse off for it, weaker and compromised. So in a sense if they are afraid of persecution from within what they are doing would put them at risk of persecution from outside forces.
Well as you noted, there seems to be a shift in the Jewish community, so maybe they only wanted it up to a point, and now enough is enough. But keep in mind that if Western countries collapse, an increasingly powerful Israel could simply take over those lands while Western Jews could move to Israel itself.
1. Corporate elites wanting to set up ideal conditions to further enrich themselves. But they are playing with fire, they aren’t really for open borders, they are for whatever tweaks are necessary to achieve their goals. Open borders is basically a price they have to pay. In this group there are plenty of Jews but the majority are non Jews, so how can we put this solely on the Jews?
It’s obviously not solely Jews. I agree that corporate elites wanted it too, I just don’t think they were able to get it until a critical number of the more ethnically motivated Jews gained power and helped them indirectly. So I agree with you that Jews were only one factor, but I disagree that it would have happened without them (at least not to this degree).
Do you think that Europeans are dumb, they can’t see through these machinations if they are indeed some grand Jewish conspiracy? Come on man, there are plenty of smart powerful Europeans that would see right through this and probably stop them in their tracks if this was not something that they themselves wanted.
I agree that Jews alone could not have caused it. It had to be in the interest of white corporate elites too. But I also think Jewish power emerged so gradually that many whites didn’t see it coming because (a) they’ve been so dominant for so long, they didn’t fear any competition, (b) Jews didn’t seem that powerful because they were largely confined to Hollywood and academia, but in reality these might be the most powerful fields of all because they change the culture and mindset of the people, and (c) after the events of WWII, any criticism of Jews was incredibly taboo.
2. Naive leftists that think the world’s only salvation is open borders, globalization and a one world communist government. This group is mostly composed of people that are outside the 1% all across the economic spectrum among which one is likely to find a lot of 2nd and 3rd tier academics(among them many Jews).
But the SJW movement can be largely traced to prominent Jews like Freud, Franz Boas, and Stephen Jay Gould, who may have undermined the concept of race because they feared white nationalism was bad for Jews.
However what we see in Europe and the US is essentially the cream of the crop. The actual average Jewish IQ across the world is probably closer to 105 while their genetic IQ might even be less than that(I really think their culture and religion gives them a significant edge). Their average or slightly less than average brain size might bear this out a little. Now of course the magic might be happening under the hood, particularly with Ashkenazi’s and their innately high verbal IQ but verbal is a lot less mentally taxing and energy intensive so they can get more bang for their buck especially in today’s highly verbally oriented world(conspiracy? lol). Visual and math/logical is a lot more work and energy intensive and requires more cognitive real estate, so a bigger brain is a must.
Actually Jews (at least in the U.S.) are even better at math than they are at verbal. But when it comes to pure spatial ability, they are below the white mean. A while back I cited data showing that even U.S. Jews might have an overall IQ of only 102, but then that sounded so absurdly low for them that I abandoned the theory. What is clear though is that for either genetic or cultural reasons, American Jews are especially good at the cognitive skills that matter most at this particular moment in human history.
Now guess what, if we take any population and randomly pick people but every other person is not random(we cleverly pick one that is 100+ in IQ) we can create a sub population that is well above average. In fact every population has done this throughout history, the caste system in India, the elites in Europe are perfect example. They have closed themselves off from the rest of the population, they are a class unto themselves with significantly higher IQ’s that the rest of the population. So one is sure to find a sub-population in most countries with a superior IQ.
Jews are semitic and the rest of the semitic people are certifiable dummies by western standards.
It really depends how you divide things up. Ultimately every high IQ population was at one point the cognitive elite of a lower IQ parent population. You could think of Ashkenazi Jews as just the brightest white-Semitic hybrids, or you could think of them as a whole new Caucasoid subgroup that evolved from white-Semetic hybrids (they supposedly have certain high IQ diseases that are largely unique to them).
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Here is some quick math I did to put the Jewish achievement question into perspective. Now I know using nobel prizes as a metric is not an exact science and it is fairly controversial but it is the best proxy I could think of outside of IQ tests. People of European descent of which there are about 1.2 billion around the world, have won about 70% of nobel prizes at a rate of about 0.06 per 100,000. Jews have won 22% at a rate of about 1 per 100,000. Now that may seem impressive but it is only 17x the European rate while the rate for all semitic people is only at 0.047. Also this is before we factor in all those Jews that only had 1 Jewish parent. As per a 2013 Pew poll there is a 58% intermarriage rate among all Jews. So what happens when a supposed Jew wins a nobel but is only half Jewish, shouldn’t half the credit go to whatever race the other half is(most likely european)? Are they claiming all the part Jews as well? Every time I hear about a prominent Jewish figure in science academia business or entertainment I do a little search and quite often it turns out that they are only part Jewish, but everyone goes crazy over their Jewish side(Kasparov was only half Jewish and so was Wolfgang Pauli, Niels Bohr and many others). So I definitely think that their figures and possibly achievements are somewhat inflated. Also most Ashkenazi’s are probably over 50% European anyway through the millennia of admixture in Europe.
In any case I find all this “Jews run the world” hysteria highly suspect. What is fairly clear is that Jews are a tight nit well connected community that is highly conscientious and industrious. So this may mean that even the part Jews get to join the club if not on a religious level at least on a professional level. What is even more interesting is that they aren’t even the people with the highest rate of winners. No that honor belongs to mostly Nordic countries when we consider statistically significant results. Is it no surprise then that the nobel prize is governed by Swedish-Norwegian institutions?
My sense is that once everything is correctly assessed and calculated the Ashkenazi Jewish success rate(Nobel or otherwise) is probably less than 10x the European rate while their genetic IQ is probably closer to 105. Their effective IQ is higher likely due to socio-economic and cultural reasons and the fact that the world is becoming more and more focused on verbal proficiency(which is their strong suit). If we take the entire Jewish population, those figures are halved and if we take the entire semitic population it all starts to look pretty dire. Not that I’m belittling semitic people as a whole(I have nothing against them) but just to point out how incredibly complicated all this actually is and that anecdotal interpretations are highly misleading.
Here is some quick math I did to put the Jewish achievement question into perspective. Now I know using nobel prizes as a metric is not an exact science and it is fairly controversial but it is the best proxy I could think of outside of IQ tests. People of European descent of which there are about 1.2 billion around the world, have won about 70% of nobel prizes at a rate of about 0.06 per 100,000. Jews have won 22% at a rate of about 1 per 100,000. Now that may seem impressive but it is only 17x the European rate while the rate for all semitic people is only at 0.047.
Well according to Lynn, Western Ashkenazi Jews have IQs of 110 (though only 103 in Israel), all Europeans average 99, and the group he strangely labeled South Asians & North Africans (basically all darker Caucasoids) averaged 84, so the Nobel rankings seem to correlate with his IQ rankings.
Also this is before we factor in all those Jews that only had 1 Jewish parent. As per a 2013 Pew poll there is a 58% intermarriage rate among all Jews. So what happens when a supposed Jew wins a nobel but is only half Jewish, shouldn’t half the credit go to whatever race the other half is(most likely european)? Are they claiming all the part Jews as well? Every time I hear about a prominent Jewish figure in science academia business or entertainment I do a little search and quite often it turns out that they are only part Jewish, but everyone goes crazy over their Jewish side(Kasparov was only half Jewish and so was Wolfgang Pauli, Niels Bohr and many others). So I definitely think that their figures and possibly achievements are somewhat inflated.
This is a very important point. One can get wildly different numbers depending on how one defines Ashkenazi Jewish. They key point is applying the same standard when counting how many Jews are in the high achieving group compared to the number who are in the general population. When Pew research applied their broadest definition of Jewish (anyone raised Jewish regardless of current religion + anyone with at least one Jewish parent) they found about 3% of Americans were Jewish so even with this more liberal definition, Jews are hugely over-represented among influential Americans and controlling for IQ only explains part of it. Now, you might say if they have one white parent, they’re not really Jews. We could simply rename them Americans with at least one Jewish parent (AWALOJPs), and say AWALOJPs are extremely influential.
Also most Ashkenazi’s are probably over 50% European anyway through the millennia of admixture in Europe.
Yes but that ancient European ancestry is already baked into the definition of Ashkenazi Jewish, because Ashkenazi Jews by definition are people descended from Middle Eastern Jewish men and white women who mixed about 1000 years ago and have been more or less re-productively isolated ever since. Whether they qualify as a different taxon or just an especially elite mix of white and dark caucasoid taxa is a question that can only be answered by a hierarchical factor analysis of hereditary phenotype.
Also note that some figures put those of at least part Jewish ancestry in the US at about 15 million. This is at least double the actual Jewish American population. This essentially halves the potency of Jewish achievement in the US meaning that it’s possible that of the 22% Nobel winners only 10-15% are full Jews and the rest are likely part Jewish. That is if we only consider their recent ancestry, if you look at historic ancestry I think we will find that the European genetic contribution to Jewish achievement is well over 50%. Which means that my instinct was right about them, their achievement rate is around 5-10x that of Europeans.
What you might find even more striking is that Indian Americans are tested to have an IQ of about 112 and are at the top of the income bracket. Are Indian Americans the new Jews? It makes perfect sense, have a strict immigration policy and a Visa program encouraging the best and brightest from other distant nations and you will get incredibly intelligent minorities. Have a porous border with relaxed controls and well…
” its possible that of the 22% of the nobel prize winners only 10-15% are full jews”
How did you arrive at this conclusion?
Also taking entire semitic people into consideration would be inaccurate. Any person who speaks a semitic language and living in a country who main language is semitic, can be a semitic person. If i learn a learn a semitic language and settle in one of them i would be a semitic person. If jewish nobel prizes are considered in the context of semitic people as a whole, then shouldnt european noble prize numbers be considered alongside the total population of all indo-european language speaking people too.?
On another note they also won more than 25% of fields medals, which by some is even considered harder than winning a nobel. And 54% of chess grandmasters are jewish too. And a significant percentage of many more prestigious achivements.
And most of the inventions/discoveries in the pools from which one of it is given a nobel, these which were second or third were also by jewish people.
Sorry, 54% of world chess champions.
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Up until 1993 it is true that about 54% of undisputed chess champions were Jewish. From 93 to 06 however there was a split in the championship and after 06 the undisputed title resumed. So if we include the champions after 93 the percentage of Jewish champions is closer to 40%. That is still very impressive however as I’ve noted in my comments above(I know it’s long but I’ve addressed every one of the issues you bring up) Kasparov was only half Jewish. Aronian is only half Jewish and this after searching 4-5 names. As per Pew poll research the rate of interfaith marriage among Jews in america is 58% meaning that it is likely a significant number of so called Jewish scientists, champions, entertainers etc are only part Jewish. Niels Bohr, Wolfgang Pauli were both half Jewish, there are likely countless others. This means that it seems that whoever is compiling these figures is including all the part Jews as well. If we do this(particularly in the US where the Jewish community doubles once we include those with only part Jewish ancestry) it means that possibly up to half of the nobel winners are only part Jewish. So why then do only the Jews get to claim the win? In any case I am not going to go through this again. Please read my comments above, I have addressed this exhaustively.
As for the Semitic people comment, all people of the middle east and North Africa share tremendous genetic similarities(except for the obvious admixtures on the southern bits of North Africa). Nearly all language groups fall along racial groups lines. Exceptions to this are the Uralic langauges which are not indo-european languages yet the populations that speak them are all predominantly European. Rarely will you find a group of people speaking a language that is not ancestral to their people, especially in historic lands like the middle east and north africa. So to recap, all peoples of the Levant and middle east(including arabs) share great genetic similarities hence why they all speak semitic languages.
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“As for the Semitic people comment, all people of the middle east and North Africa share tremendous genetic similarities(except for the obvious admixtures on the southern bits of North Africa). ”
Maybe the original founding population of ashkenazi would have been north semitic, but I don’t think today’s ashkenazi people can be considered semitic in the genetic sense. Or all semitic people be taken as a genetic subgroup. Some semitic people from south Arabia look like Indians. If you dress some Indians up in Arabian costumes you may not be able to tell the difference. Wheras north semitic people look similar to Greeks. Only over tanned .Ashkenazi Jews founder population was north semitic. With later admixture from European peoples too. Some of them have white skin that is even whiter than that of whites. Some of them even have blonde hair and blue eyes . I doubt people looking like this could be genetically be part of the same ethnicity which also has people looking like dark skinned indians.
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Europeans and the people of the Levant and the middle east are separated by at least 10,000 years on a genetic level. Of course there is a little bit of overlap and minimal admixture over the millennia but not enough that one could no longer make a distinction. So while one can put them in a broader class of Caucasians they can further be subdivided from Europeans as indeed Europeans can be subdivided into North/Western Europeans, Eastern Europeans and Southern Europeans. In fact one could readily argue that European sub-groups have much greater genetic affinity with one another than they collectively do with middle easterners.
But I will agree with you that Ashkenazis are for the most part European, probably more so than not, which is the point I have tried to make in my comments with PP. It looks like in some respects people put them in the semitic group yet in other respects they are put in the European group. Racists tend to take the semitic route hence the common term anti-semitism. Now of course these lines and distinctions are blurry but only a fool would not accept that the semitic linguistic group has significant overlap with the semitic genetic group. Exceptions do not negate the general rule, people that follow such reasoning are typically post modernists and nihilists in thought. We are after all talking about average genetic clustering.
Now I grouped Ashkenazis with other semitic groups due to their ancestral language similarity and some genetic similarity(more so than other Europeans have with the middle east). I have done this because many people go out of their way to make this distinction while they themselves(some of them, the orthodox ones at least) make that distinction too. From this perspective one could consider Ashkenazis as a different variant of Semitic people much like Scandinavians are different from southern Europeans, yet they are all considered European, on a genetic level and certainly a cultural and linguistic level.
If it was up to me I would just accept that Ashkenazis are as European as any European and be done with this nonsense. I’m sure that if we tried hard enough we could single out a European sub-population that is if not as successful as the Jews perhaps a close second. Who cares about this nonsense. People need to stop being such purists but at the same time rejecting purist ideology does not mean the doors are flung wide open and we are getting rid of all distinctions entirely. These issues are multi-variate and one needs to consider culture, language, attitude and temperament as well when discussing matters of such great complexity but at the same time great importance as is national or ethnic identity. People that try to reject the notion entirely are naive and they are playing with fire. People need distinct and manageable ways in which to organize themselves otherwise society becomes chaotic and impossible to keep track of until critical mass is reached and it all unravels into chaos and conflict.
“Perhaps the purpose was to create environments where Jews can thrive free of the persecution they’ve been fleeing for so long. In a country where everyone’s tall, blond, blue eyed and Christian, Jews are physically and culturally conspicuous, and people resent them dominating the financial and cultural institutions. But when you add a bunch of Southern Europeans, Mexicans, Muslims & Africans, Jews blend in with the white establishment, and their power goes unnoticed while anger shifts to Muslims (which is very convenient for Israel). And one needn’t assume a conspiracy. Just a critical number of individual Jews understanding their interests and having the power to advance them.”
I am not denying that there are some Jews that use everything at their disposal(especially in Hollywood and academia) to promote certain left leaning policies in order to safeguard their own population perhaps even set up ideal conditions to further enrich themselves. However IMO this is mostly circumstantial. Leftist ideologies have been around since the beginning of time, they are not the invention of the Jews. Countless civilizations have had to contend with assimilating various people of different descent with very much the same problems we are facing today. Just try to envision what it would be like in Ancient Rome, or Hellenistic Greece with their conquest of much of western Asia. When the British decided to dissolve the British empire they too decided to make amends for their past transgressions by making concessions to the people they governed around the world. Part of that was opening the doors to some of those minorities into Britain. IMO leftist ideologies are strongest right after the apex of interventionism war or imperialistic behaviour. It is a course correcting mechanism that many nations impose on themselves in order to self correct. If handled properly they might be better off for it but if not it can destroy them. What do you think brought down the Roman Empire or the Hellenistic era, or the British empire and might end up destroying US hegemony at some point?
Now are the Jews a big factor in this downfall? They could be but my sense is that they stand to lose a whole lot more by seeing the unravelling of the US than if they were to advocate for a stronger US. No I still contend that they in many ways have been a source of positive correction for the US. But care needs to be taken as we know that the cure itself may end up killing you if you overdose on it. We have reached tipping point and there is an obvious attempt by Jews and others to course correct once again from the madness of the left. But this is the curse of using broad political movements to make social changes, the movements take a life of their own and all sorts of opportunist with pet projects get attached and a mess is created that is hard to disentangle and disassociate from. At this point however the Jews are no more guilty of what is happening in US politics than the rest of the elites. I’ve said this before the Jews are smart but they are not that smart, they couldn’t hope to pull this off even if they were 10 times as many in population. The people would not stand for it. Remember that rich people are rich as long as the rest of the population accepts it. If they don’t they take to the streets and it’s game over. Currency depreciates the country grinds to a halt and they may even decide to burn it all down to the ground. Which is why a fine balance needs to be maintained between the left and the right.
Further to this mythologizing of Jewish genius, which I do not want to take anything away from, clearly it is profound but my sense is that it is less so than people think while there seems to be an attempt to attach a malevolent spin on it which isn’t all that clear to me that it actually exists at any rate that is higher than any other group of people. So what am I getting at, well there have been studies that put Episcopalians and United Universalists at a higher average IQ than Jews, and Quakers, Mormons and Lutherans at comparable levels, yet no one talks about the insidious nature of their general agenda. These IQ studies have been corroborated by SAT tests so it seems fairly legit. Another example of historic elevated levels of IQ was ancient Athens where it is hypothesized by Francis Galton that the average IQ of free born citizens in Athens was 125 at the time. Of course it is very hard to know what the actual IQ was without testing them but from the sheer number of profound intellectuals that were borne out of population of about 90,000 within a span of about 200 years one can only conclude that something special was in the air around that time. They likely achieved this by having highly selective immigration policies drawing from the best in the entire Greek world, in some sense practicing a form of eugenics by leaving the babies deemed unfit out to die(sad but true) ostracizing(ejecting) the undesirables and creating the ideal democratic environment for the best and brightest to flourish.
In any case I think it’s high time that this animosity towards Jews had reached it’s end. There are many people with leftist ideas outside of the Jewish population. Most of these people live in the clouds and have no clue of what it takes to build a robust nation. People need to smarten up and quit this nonsense. Jews, White Americans, even Americans of all ethnic backgrounds have a lot more to gain by working together and ensuring that the US continues to prosper than not. Why would Jews want to bring it all down or undermine it? Even black people would be shooting themselves in the foot if they cause high levels of civil unrest or rock the boat too much with leftist nonsense. The people that do are a small but vocal minority but due to the current circumstances(post 08 crash, Obama presidency) have gained a powerful platform. It will not last very long, eventually society will course correct, it must because if it doesn’t, there’s trouble ahead.
“I agree that Jews alone could not have caused it. It had to be in the interest of white corporate elites too. But I also think Jewish power emerged so gradually that many whites didn’t see it coming because (a) they’ve been so dominant for so long, they didn’t fear any competition, (b) Jews didn’t seem that powerful because they were largely confined to Hollywood and academia, but in reality these might be the most powerful fields of all because they change the culture and mindset of the people, and (c) after the events of WWII, any criticism of Jews was incredibly taboo.”
I’ll admit that that was likely how the Jewish population came to prominence but I still think that Jewish interests and white American interests are far more aligned than people think. Just watch as in the next few years people slowly move to the right and notice how some of the biggest movers will be Jewish. As for academics they are of the same mindset all over the world. Trust me when I say the same problems exist all over Europe with academia and the left, even places where the Jewish population is absolutely minimal. Leftist ideology has always existed, I would say it is even necessary to keep the right in check. Unfortunately the world has now gone too far to the left and a course correction is badly needed. I’m all for it even though ideologically even temperamentally I’m more of a centrist(centre left by most metrics yet I still believe in nationalism and patriotism). No, my sense is that most academics identify where the greatest danger exists and move to counter it. They are for the most part reactionary and there is nothing wrong with that. In the 20th century it was the threat the right brought to the table particularly in western nations. Today it seems that the danger has shifted to the left and while academia is slow to react, it WILL react sooner or later.
“But the SJW movement can be largely traced to prominent Jews like Freud, Franz Boas, and Stephen Jay Gould, who may have undermined the concept of race because they feared white nationalism was bad for Jews. ”
Actually the current iteration of SJW’s is largely a result of post modernism predominantly pushed by French philosophers in the 60s like Foucault and Lyotard.
“Actually Jews (at least in the U.S.) are even better at math than they are at verbal. But when it comes to pure spatial ability, they are below the white mean. A while back I cited datashowing that even U.S. Jews might have an overall IQ of only 102, but then that sounded so absurdly low for them that I abandoned the theory. What is clear though is that for either genetic or cultural reasons, American Jews are especially good at the cognitive skills that matter most at this particular moment in human history.”
Indeed it seems that way how much is genetic and how much is cultural is hard to tell. It’s probably safe to say that Ashkenazis score no less than 105 on a genetic level. I have actually looked into the matter some more and among the compiled list of Jewish nobel winners it looks like at least half of them are only part Jewish. Their rate of achievement is highly inflated though it seems that like I’ve already mentioned they are a particularly conscientious and industrious group of people, perhaps a result of their religion and tight nit community. For this reason they have made exceedingly good business decisions by going into media and banking. So I would say that their achievement rate is a lot closer to 5x the European average, still extremely impressive but not the ridiculous level that seems to have turned into some urban myth at this point. My sense is that the more marginalized they are made to feel by other white Americans and Europeans the more they try to ensure that the past does not repeat itself and to be honest I can’t blame them.
“About 15% of autistic children were reported to be bullies themselves — roughly the same rate as in the general teen population — and 9% were both bullies and victims. Bullying, which can take the form of teasing, exclusion, humiliation or physical assault, can lead to depression and other mental health problems, along with poor grades and even physical illness in victims because of the severe stress it causes.”
http://healthland.time.com/2012/09/05/why-autistic-kids-make-easy-targets-for-school-bullies/
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It doesnt controll for the degrees of autism. Many are high functioning autists that compensate the loss of their small degree of autism with bulliyng. Total autists like puppy talks about have no one to bully.
Wouldn’t you intuitively have higher rates of depression in modern humans, since modern humans on average had higher capacity of abstract thought than did the Neanderthals?
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https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2018/02/06/dont-fall-for-facial-reconstructions/
Facial reconstructions are extremely accurate when it comes to cranium size, since they already have the skull and just need to add a bit of fat and skin around it.
Soft tissue doesn’t fossilize. It’s just artistic guesswork.
But the thickness of the fat and skin around the skull is pretty consistent across primates, so it’s highly educated guessing.
That’s irrelevant. Soft tissue doesn’t fossilize therefore these ‘reconstructions’ are just guess-work. See Stephan, 2003:
The decomposition of the soft tissue parts of paleoanthropological beings makes it impossible for the
detail of their actual soft tissue face morphology and variability to be known, as well as the variability of the relationship between the hard and the soft tissue. As a result, the faces of earlier human ancestors cannot be objectively constructed or tested. Attempts based on modem ape morphologies (and variabilities) are likely to be heavily biased, grossly inaccurate, and invalid because the hard to soft tissue relationships of modem apes are unlikely to be the same as hominid ancestors due to changes arising from secular trends and evolutionary forces [4]. Hence any facial “reconstructions” of earlier hominids are likely to be misleading [4].
http://sci-hub.tw/10.1016/s1355-0306(03)71776-6
All I’m talking about is its cranium size, so unless the artist added way less fat and skin to the neanderthal cranium than humans have, I doubt the figure underestimates his head size.
This isn’t under contention.
It’s pretty relevant. It’s subjective not baseless, there is a major difference. Race as a concept is similar.
Bernie Madoff was the ‘underdog’ in his trial against the evil lawyers all his victims hired to get their money back.
Beach boys were going to play trumpys inauguration. Honestly I would have had a tear in my eye seeing that. MAGA basically means going back to the 50s. Americas prime before ((((certain dissidents))) got into the Ivies and started using minorities and freaks to agitate.
America 1950 had really bad art. pre 1914 west was the best in terms of art and growth.
Music is the exception!
Its weird seeing a black heavy metal band. I don’t think I’ve ever seen that before. Its amazing when you think about it.
You’ve never heard of the Bad brains? I posted one of their videos here before….
What are your thoughts on the usefulness of mental age in measuring the intelligence of young children? Deviation-based tests, including all the Wechsler and modern SB scales, compute IQ using an (age-adjusted) approximate ranking within a population, whereas mental age enables a direct comparison with developmental milestones that might be used for educational decisions.
For example, I obtained the following scores on the core VCI subtests of the WISC-IV when I was eight (raw scores were provided by the neuropsych, and I calculated extended scaled scores using Technical Report #7):
Vocabulary: 53 Raw, 22 Scaled, >16:10 MA
Similarities: 35 Raw, 20 Scaled, >16:10 MA
Comprehension: 30 Raw, 19 Scaled, 15:10 MA
Deviation and ratio scores obtained are wildly discrepant in each case (using MA/CA*100 = ratio IQ, minimal differences range from 36 to 46 points), hence I believe that mental age does provide valuable supplemental information.
It was a clever idea because most mental tests don’t form an absolute scale so age in years was an interesting way to anchor it.
The problem is (as another person noted) a 7-year-old with a vocab of age 7 actually shows more intelligence (in an absolute sense) then a 14-year-old with a vocab of age 7 because the latter had more time to learn words. As a result the variance for mental age scores is much greater on fluid tests compared to crystallized ones.
The other problems are new born babies don’t truly have a mental age of zero since they’ve been gestating for 9 months and brain growth is much more rapid in toddlers than in teens so being double your chronological age at age 2 is much more impressive than being double at age 8.
[redacted by pp, dec 8, 2018Why can’t your feeble intellect grasp this. [redacted by pp, dec 8, 2018]
Why can’t you grasp that i do grasp that, I’m just too polite to be so blunt so you have to read between the lines which has never been your strong suit.
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If you grasped it you wouldnt be banning [redacted by pp, dec 8, 2018]
Has it ever occurred to you that i ban certain comments because they offend potential readers?
Strange how you can be so smart in some ways yet fail to consider such obvious possibilities.
I suspect you have impaired executive functioning. Once your mind goes in one direction it can’t switch gears. Probably also explains why you obsess about the same topics endlessly.
Yet another fat rich boring white dude in the HBD community!
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Do you know of any relationship between IQ and sleep?
I Ve read both topics many times : symmetry being a sign of low mutation load. Neanderthals having dna associated with autism.
Btw, Reich claims most Neanderthal dna for Caucasian game from mixture in the levant after hunter-gatherer had left toward Europe and Asia. And that they were some admixture during the 43-39 BCE again (39 being a date were they are sure that Neanderthals had disappeared because of there no Neanderthal remains after the Italian volcano ashes layer) but probably more with the farmers (who had already mixed with them) than with hunter-gatherer except in the Baltic.
I wonder if these putative autistic traits were in the common ancestor of modern humans and neanderthals, or if they were a derived trait in neanderthals. Some think of autism as a “higher” stage of evolution, but if they were in the common ancestor, then perhaps the opposite.
I see more autistic traits in more intelligent people. So my guess is that’s a case where one should have both correlation and causation, maybe through a third factor. I liked how « autistic » the guy are portrayed in First Man.
Btw I met during the holidays Jeffrey Hoffman, MIT astrophysics director and ancient astronaut. This is the least autistic guy you can imagine. Not into details. Simple. Enthusiastic. Charming. He is married with an English lady. He has been fascinated by space since childhood. The description of his mission to repair Hubble telescope is really entertaining with all the preparation and the pbs that happened in situ ….
I was too shy to ask him about the other Jewish astronaut who was in the same nasa selection – group 8 (first group with 8000 applicants) – we talked about here, Judith Resnik, who had a perfect SAT at a time it was rare, and who died in Challenger disaster …
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“I see more autistic traits in more intelligent people. So my guess is that’s a case where one should have both correlation and causation, maybe through a third factor. I liked how « autistic » the guy are portrayed in First Man.”
I really don’t think that more intelligent people necessarily tilt towards autism. It’s the nature of the world and the way we have constructed our society(heavily technologically and academically oriented) that gives the impression that highly intelligent people come off as autistic or geeks as they are commonly known. In other words more intelligent people invariable spend more of their time on intellectual endeavors and less time on conventional socializing. This can leave them socially awkward in some settings but I think this is more likely due to lack of practice than a classically autistic person’s complete lack of understanding of social cues and absence of interest in social interaction all together.
Also highly intelligent people tend to be better stimulated and animated around other highly intelligent people which might give the wrong impression when around “normies”. It may in fact be the case that quite often autism is misdiagnosed. I certainly see that being the case with some people that are supposed to have aspergers. Society can be quite cruel and unforgiving particularly towards people that don’t fit the regular mold. I think there are natural in built societal forces that actively push towards regression to the mean on multiple levels. In recent times this has manifested to some degree IMO in this modern obsession with autism and asperger. Anyone who isn’t maniacally obsessed with other people must have something wrong with them…enter autism. If one is also on the weak or meek side, they can easily be bullied into thinking that they have something manifestly wrong with them. It may just be that intelligence itself tilts towards tempered emotions which can give the impression of autistic-like behavior.
All the more possible than many people qualified as autists seems prettt différent to me : from the quite few word introvert to a person who spontaneously speaks his mind without noticing he hurts others feelings.
Being in a sort of tenured position and not wanting to do any social effort to go up the ladder, I’am not that impacted about reading peoples mind except for intellectual curiosity.
I would have liked to have a file with my institution employees IQ (it doesn’t exist in France) and try to improve my understanding of it by guessing and finding patterns of behaviour and thinking …. that would be fun for me. (Philo would say measuring peoples head). I like to measures things an extract correlations in any environnement I found myself
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“I would have liked to have a file with my institution employees IQ (it doesn’t exist in France) and try to improve my understanding of it by guessing and finding patterns of behaviour and thinking …. that would be fun for me. (Philo would say measuring peoples head). I like to measures things an extract correlations in any environnement I found myself”
I do that all the time, I think most people do that on some level. I do however find that this practice is becoming more and more frowned upon by most normal heavily socially inclined people. I guess there is a flow in conventionally desirable interactions that requires a particular mindset and more of your attention(particularly of an emotional flavor) than normal. I see their point, in fact I used to adhere to it but I still think there is great utility in figuring out what makes someone tick. The trick is in figuring out how to work into your interaction all your measurements seamlessly. You definitely don’t want to upset people by looking like you are overly judgemental. I guess it’s a matter of timing while ensuring that you are still adhering to your duties in social settings.
As for working out people’s IQ’s that is a really easy thing to do. Just observe them for a bit, check their response times, see how long it takes for them to compute their responses and work out the complexity of their computational ability with various tasks. Work out their strengths and weaknesses and try to tap into their thought process. Once you get a good sense of varying degrees of intelligence in people(helps to know for a example what a typical 135 IQ person is capable of) then it’s extremely easy. The biggest hurdle is to get over the feeling that you’re not supposed to be judging people and of course making sure that you do this seamlessly so as not to upset others or the flow of your interaction with them. It is meant to be taboo in today’s PC world but trust me when I say that most people do this to some degree or other. It’s just that you don’t want to be the one to get caught doing it poorly or have it make you seem aloof. In fact most socially savvy people do this exceedingly well, it’s like breathing to them, though they might be more focused on social dynamics rather than raw intelligence.
Like I said be careful not to go too far with this, ensure you adhere to your priorities socially and rather leave the heavy analyzing for when you are on your own. People normally don’t take too kindly to feeling like they are being picked apart and heavily judged. Also be prepared to get things wrong from time to time, it’s not an exact science, it’s mostly about updating your position from time to time so as to be in touch with shifting trends. Note that people change and their mood/state often effects their behavior/cognition. If you do it right there is a lot you can glean form how other people think, a lot you can learn from and improve your own thought process or assuming it is well received even help others improve their thought process.
I hope I did not misread your position and came off too preachy or patronizing. I assumed this is an area you are interested in delving in.
No I love receiving advice !
I wonder if one is limited by its own IQ to evaluate others, at x points distance, up or maybe even down. For example, we can’t experience what a tetrachromat who sees 100Millions coulour type and we can’t really experience all the variety of colour perception reduction for the different kind of dichromat (my father mixed red and green, and blue and yellow but at that time, I didn’t dare to test what exactly he was seeing) and it looks like there is a spectrum among inside the discrete 2/3/4 cones categories
I can see the brain operating slowe mr but can’t know what kind of deduction the person will miss or falsely make except in a very formal setting where there is a tricky Problem who solution entais X level of approximation.
That’s nice. Diversity of life and enjoyment and surprise of conversation .
“I can see the brain operating slowe mr but can’t know what kind of deduction the person will miss or falsely make except in a very formal setting where there is a tricky Problem who solution entais X level of approximation.”
Well it’s a little tricky especially when you are doing this with a friend but you have to read their expressions very carefully. You’ll know from their expressions and mannerisms what is going on inside their head. Personally sometimes it feels invasive for me to try and break my friend down to their strengths and weaknesses in such an analytic way but I just remind myself that in the long run I might be able to guide them better with this knowledge, plus it’s just too much fun to test out your hypothesis and see down the line whether it is valid. Also like i said nearly all interaction with people entails some level of “mind reading” and evaluation.
In any case it takes practice and a very quick mind since you would have to be juggling your evaluation plus your interaction with them. Sometimes this evaluation is overt and necessary part of the interaction yet other times(particularly in formal or professional settings) it might be something you might want to keep to yourself. As for having some innate ability for it, as with most things you won’t know unless you get stuck in and try your hand at it, and as they say practice makes perfect. A lot of people are very good at it. I can’t think of a particular example but during my interaction I intuitively know which moments are indicative of ones ability so a part of me switches on and I take in all the relevant information to evaluate for depth of thought, accuracy and processing speed. It is in fact what I do with myself from time to time to ensure that I’m not slacking. I just turn my focus on them for that brief moment. Of course you can’t do this all the time with them or yourself because it can make for an unpleasant experience after a while.
“Well I think humans have an aesthetic preference for tall and thin (like modern humans coming out of Africa) over short and stocky (like Neanderthals adapted to the cold). Donald Trump wants to build the tallest buildings, not the widest. Young children assume the tall glass contains more water than the short glass, even if the former is much narrower. Short men often fear getting too bulky when lifting weights.”
Well I think that it might be a little less arbitrary than that. I really think that we are quite obsessed with beauty. Symmetry and proportionality seem to be quite central to our culture. Even our scientists are obsessed with the idea of symmetry and beauty, you often hear them talk about how beautiful a certain theory is. Is our propensity to be infatuated with this concept of beauty(as arbitrary as it may sound) far more substantive than some people think?
“This preference may be linked to survivability in that physical size is so metabolically expensive that investing it as efficiently as possible is crucial. Vertical size might be superior to horizontal size in that you can reach further, walk faster, jump higher, move quicker, and see further. Horizontal size provides more raw physical strength, but with technology that became increasingly redundant.”
All that is true but I think that prime among the qualities that effect selection is efficiency. In other words our skulls are smaller than Neanderthal’s but more of the bone structure is devoted to housing the brain therefore resulting in an equal brain size. We are the next level in evolution in that we are compounding the rate of evolution by being cognizant of our evolutionary decisions. Probably more so than any other species on earth. We basically took evolution into our own hands, though I do believe that on some instinctive level most mammals are conditioned for optimal evolutionary adaptation. I don’t think it is only a matter of random selection for most animals and even less so for humans.
“Neanderthals might have had larger brains than us but their brains were less spherical, making them less efficient, since as we’ve discussed, the rounder the brain, the shorter the distance between any two points in the brain, thus maximizing efficiency.”
Agreed on all counts. Another commenter mentioned the fact that it seems that we may have larger frontal lobes than Neanderthals. Indeed it may be that our brains were more optimally organized for increased intelligence despite having roughly the same size. Intuitively it seems to me that a more vertical rounder forehead would house a larger frontal lobe though that does seem somewhat arbitrary. A possible explanation is the distance of the ear hole from the front and back of head respectively. Could it be that the further back the ear hole is the more of the brain is devoted to the frontal lobe? One would assume that the ear hole is planar to the auditory cortex which is surprisingly located right on the border between the frontal lobe and the parietal lobe. In other words it may be a rough estimate of the point where we can divide the frontal lobe from the rest of the brain. A sloped forehead would likely result in a smaller frontal lobe and larger occipital and parietal lobes for the same overall brain size. A recent study reports that the anterior brain is responsible for about 70-80% of intelligence while the remaining 20-30% is governed by the posterior part of the brain.
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peepee still doesn’t understand that the differences between various tests is just nominal and marketing and that no one has one IQ. the difference between highest and lowest score can be 15 points or more.
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No it’s more than just marketing. The SAT is specifically designed to predict university grades so it focuses on reading and math. The first IQ test was designed to predict intelligence independently of academic skills. Binet specifically chose items like “which face is prettiest” because he was looking for smart kids who were not learning in school but had the potential to. And indeed in many schools, if you’re reading and math ability are a lot lower than your IQ would predict, you qualify as learning disabled. In some subgroups, IQ tests and scholastic tests are statistically indistinguishable but in others they are not.
And of course no one IQ score measures all of intelligence, each test is just a sample. I’ve likened it to polling. Gallup says Trumps has an approval rating of X. Reuters says he has an approval rating of Y. Both are just estimates. And just like each poll measures a different sample of people, each IQ test measures a different sample of cognitive abilities. Actually polling’s probably more scientific because we have a census to tell us how representative our samples are. There’s no comparable cognitive census.
What if the reason Neanderthals died out was that they were severe assholes? Anti-social psychopaths who attacked everyone around them but very close family. Wouldn’t this explain why soon after Cro-Mag moved in larger civilizations began? Look at animals. Animals are somewhat psychopathic except towards close kin. All others they attack if they get within their range and territory.
I have a hypothesis.
Sam J’s theory of civilization,”Civilization came about because of the rise of empathy. This allowed people to work together”.
Sam J’s theory of civilization, ”Empathy is necessary to form civilization. As capacity for empathy rose civilization rose with it.”
It’s known the area of the brain that empathy resides Neanderthals had less brain there. Maybe their aggressiveness meant that eventually Cro-Mags became fed up with their psychopathic aggressive natures, banded together and kicked the shit out of them. Neanderthals were known to have a LOT of fractures. From fighting?????
This may be wrong but it certainly explains things neatly and doesn’t require much to imagine it being true.