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Thx Pumkin. Maybe it’s neuroticism. But for me, the main point is spatial on symbolic IQ ratio that leads to culture of critic. I like this fable m, being a frog (from wiki) :
« A scorpion asks a frog to carry it across a river. The frog hesitates, afraid of being stung, but the scorpion argues that if it did so, they would both drown. Considering this, the frog agrees, but midway across the river the scorpion does indeed sting the frog, dooming them both. When the frog asks the scorpion why, the scorpion replies that it was in its nature to do so. »
When the same ethnic group is both the most extreme racially conservative & the most extreme racially liberal, depending on whether they’re in or out of their home country, that seems like an obvious case of ethnic interests
And this is not unique to Jews. As someone on lion’s blog noted, Indians are very racist in India but when they come to America they are Social Justice Warriors. Ethnic interests explain so much
Not only that, but back when Jews were poor they were Marxists. Now that Jews are rich they are neoliberals/libertarians.
Is it an “obvious case” of a group evolutionary strategy as well?
That part is much more speculative.
There’s no way to prove it; any evidence against it, MacDonald will handwave, while any evidence for it he will accept.
The theory predicts no novel facts, which he admitted himself, therefore it’s not a scientific hypothesis. It’s, in all actuality, an ideological position that does not predict novel facts.
MacDonald to me on Twitter: “I am not attempting a predictive theory. It is a theory that can be disconfirmed by showing, e.g., that the movement I describe is not peopled by strongly identified Jews with a sense of Jewish interests.”
That’s all that needs to be said. It doesn’t predict anything. “My ‘theory’ can be disconfirmed by showing that X and Y didn’t have Z motivations! My ‘theory’ is not predictive!” ….
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I see him more as historian than a scientist. That doesn’t mean his theory is wrong, it just means it’s hard to falsify (a major criterion for science). He’s more like a lawyer building a case than a scientist proving a theory.
Yes. Because jews have been doing it for hundreds of years.
They have never outbreed so much . I am not sure of the percentage speaking Yiddish or Hebrew.
Marx was the major critic. Now it’s libertarianism. But I am not’denying the ethnic interest. I am denying the concept of a global Jewish overarching strategy (Sion protocol) as the main favor to understand Jewish behaviour and stances .
As for Israel, 40k out of 60k are still there. In Hungary, they weee much more effective on building a gate. Soros is attacking the ethno-state . In Hungary, he has been almost outlawed .
If you recognize that Jewish plot is the same as any population plot, the all concept of the Jewish plot disappears.
I believe there is something much stronger in culture of critic, underlying, linked to a Jewish temperament. That’s my point.
I think MacDonald’s point is that cultural liberalism came to dominate the West because it serves Jewish ethnic interests.
Liberalism and conservativism is a real biological construct. bifurcation began in the 60’s and liberals simply had more abstract abilities to change the media people were exposed to. Look at the cartoons in the 70’s 80’s and 90’s that was not jews that was whites and technology because white liberals are creative and conservatives are efficient. Creativity trump efficient in culture wars (mostly).
Marx was the major critic. Now it’s libertarianism.
They’re very good at coming up with whatever abstract philosophy advances their interests in a particular time or place and then getting others to believe it.
But I am not’denying the ethnic interest.
Okay, fair enough.
As for Israel, 40k out of 60k are still there.
But their relations with Palestinians are diametrically opposed to the liberal racial rhetoric they promote in the West.
Most of Marx is sociology mixed with failed political predictions.
Of course, some came true (Look at “the great society” in the 60’s(and labor unions)) and the long-term predictions were meant to happen over a period of 300 to 500 years.
Now pumpkin has to be the alt right commenter since he booted all the people capable of thinking. Ironic.
I dont even know if I can make conservative comments anymore. You booted JS for being a ‘racist’ whatever that is.
The thing is 98% of JS’s comments were racist. You at least leave some quality non-racist comments.
So Im allowed comment as normal then?
I’ll let you know when you’re at risk for being banned. You can respond to Bruno but your comments could be moderated if they cross the line between objective analysis of Jewish influence and just blatant antisemitism
So the next interesting questions are :
– why does the white people diminished in the USA and Europe and South Africa ?
– does one or many other ethnic interest did that ? And for wich gain ?
In first analysis, its obvious people will think Jewish did it. But I don’t buy that because they don’t represent that much in Europe. And finance, law, media and real property, even technology, depends on industry wich is not Jewish .
Maybe as the white were more egalitarian and had much fewer kids (population would have shrunk a lot) the white industrialist had an interest in mixing them with African (or Latinos and Asian in the USA) to secure their ruling.
Well kevin macdonald claimed Jewish groups lobbied for immigration in the United States repeatedly. People suspect jews were behind it because they benefit from it, are more likely to support it, and it happened at the same time as their power was growing
But i agree jews have less direct power in Europe but U.S. foreign policy affects how many refugees migrate to Europe & because of shame over the holocaust, it’s hard for Europe to say no
I think the jews have been brilliant for white civilisation. Really swell.
Antisemitism isnt a juju word.
“Well kevin macdonald claimed Jewish groups lobbied for immigration in the United States repeatedly. People suspect jews were behind it because they benefit from it, are more likely to support it”
No they didnt. Everyone benefits from immigration. Especially the natives. Native Americans are having a great time right now.
AK if I recall correctly, sociology came from Marx’s writings.
Philo is becoming PC and mute while we are speaking about MacDonald 🙂
In France, i believe that there is an ethnic group composed of top administration and industrial families. They interbreed since at least 150 years. They may be at the origin of programs as soon as the 19th century with polish, Belgium and in the 30 with Italians and then in the 50, with Iberia and Africa .
I wondef how much the ethnic interest can split among different strategies …
For example, French nobility is split among the former ethnic group interest (far right, Latin mass, anti democratic) and people who have joined the elite group . I ve seen one old women violently criticizing, before dying, her daughter in law saying I know who you are, you and your family, because despite being from same breed and wealth, the daughter in law was in the reactionary camp, wich is a dead end.
What is the reactionary camp?
In France, there were a huge group of aristocrats – I would say 80% of them until WWII – who were against liberalism, socialism and democracy . Their social story was the common good in the aristotelo-aquinas catholic version.
After wWii, a big part of them joined the French elite – made up of civil servants and industrial family – who have a similar story based on « general interest » wich is an accommodation of the older one with the french enlightments ideas .
As French people had the earliest demographic transition in the world, since the end of 17th century, they had an interest in provoking big migrations. Else a smaller and more homogeneous population would have changed social rules and property. The massive social spending was probably a way to integrate the new populations and keep the white majority quite. Extreme revolutionaries could be a straw man too.
Bruno, i doubt jews were the only factor. There are also economic interests in addition to ethnic interests as you & Mug of Pee have alluded to.
In top administration and industrial families, Jews are no more than 10% (being 1% among general population). I don’t think they were the unique , and neither the main, inspiration of social change at least in France .
In my opinion France has been a leading light of Europe. Macron was a very choice by the jews for the french people in my opinion.
very good choice#
I saw the Italian prime minister suggested other EU countries get fined if they don’t take their fair share of african immigrants. I agree with this idea. In fact, I think european nations should be forced to take immigrants or be kicked out of the EU. That would really mess them up if they had to leave. And so, nobody would want to leave as long as the manchuko leaders, who were wisely chosen, dont leave.
Why do ordinary europeans have a problem with african immigrants anyway?! Immigrants make the natives smarter, thats what the conservative US magazine, National Review said. I believe them.
Maybe its a LACK of education. We need to educate the european people more. Maybe round them and send them to education camps.
I remember National Review said the republican party should pass immigration amnesty and open the borders because it would be very american and patriotic. Boy, they are so sophisticated. Totally agree with their editorials. They speak for me, as a conservative.
In my opinion, conservativism, is basically about open borders and deregulating financial companies like Goldman Sachs and Carlyle Group. Those alt right people are NOT conservatives. Haha, some of them even support universal healthcare. HAHAHAHA. Can you really believe that? Anyways im thinking about adopting a haitian.
The most conservative judge, Bork, was’barred From the Supreme Court by 1) Ted Kennedy who also was the first american to reinstate immigration from 3 world 2) Joe Bode. And 3) Gregory Peck.
Kennedy condemnation in the senate floor and publicity message was a plot that worked and changed Supreme Court. Because Kennedy was from the start chosen because he wasn’t a originalit. Media never reminds he wasn’t Reagan first choice. It was a choice after a defeat. Maybe he was suggested by the people who plotted.
Joe Biden
You have to adapt with the times. You have to evolve. As pumpkin said – if an asteroid hits the earth, you can’t keep being a dinosaur.
Thank GOD all the reactionary rightwing assholes are gone. Now we can truly have RESPECT and DECENCY for diversity.
I would like to disavow the following commenters: Jimmy, Robert Mugabe, Carl Churchill, JS, and Jason. I think their views are racist, anti semetic and evil and I have never held these views nor will I.
I would also like to disavow santos views on africans, but endorse his view on homosexuals.
Hilarious ! I hope pumpkin let them all back soon and that they don’t nest elsewhere
Super Jesus Warrior Creationist Cat
That youtube channel is so obnoxious. It almost makes me ill.
Really good debates we are having now since Pumpkin eliminated all the opposition. Really enjoying this.
The 3 Pillars of Diversity are:
1. RESPECT
2. DECENCY
3. FAIRNESS
‘HBD’ or whatever they want to call themselves can’t admit how evil slavery was. The oppression of blacks continues to this day. This year a white actor won the Best Actor Oscar. How will blacks be able to act if they don’t have any role models? We need affirmative action in the Oscars.
Deal with it totally gets it.
Social justice isn’t a goal. We don’t just have X number black best actors and black presidents and black NASA engineers and everyone says ‘ok, now we have social justice’. Its is an ongoing purge of the goy…er people to make them in line with education and modern superior notions of morality.
Swanky is right about everything. Sometimes I think he might have actually written the constitution.
with the way you knowingly repeat things I’ve said earlier when you’re not kidding, I agree with you that you believe I am right about everything. you just don’t realize it.
so…
Racism is the great scourge of civilisation. I sometimes think we would have had civilisation much quicker if racism never existed. Eh, er. Yeah!