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Open thread: week ending June 23, 2018
18 Monday Jun 2018
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The tunisian manager looks like a taxi driver caricature.
Southern Algerians look more like taxi drivers.
Saw this googling tunisian manager….wow, electricity is coming off my screen.
I can see why north african men want to rape women sometimes.
Even if a woman runs around completely naked shouting rape me rape me, and if somebody rapes her… it is still wrong.
“Even if a woman runs around completely naked shouting rape me rape me, and if somebody rapes her… it is still wrong.”
If a woman is born in africa and walks outside without male accompanyment, she will be raped eventually. Even wearing clothes and saying stay away please.
I bet policemen in Africa are the biggest rapists actually.
I see Phil likes Carthaginian strumpets.
So I saw france played like crap the other day. And then Brazil. The favourite is now Spain.
Reasoning from stereotypes isnt illogical. What a dope. Pumpkin put a video of mel gibson on the next open thread.
Pinker says so much nonsense its making my head hurt. He brought up an example of a judge saying god didnt want the races to intermarry – why doesn’t pinker accept that?
I lost 7 games in a row in Age of Empires 3. No thanks to dumbass and selfish teammates. It just goes to show the cognitive elite are held down by the incompetence of the cognitive un elite. Pumpkin should do a study showing how many extra IQ points I need to compensate for noob teammates.
Civilization is better.
They’re both good. I’m having nostalgia reminiscing about playing AoE and Civilization in middle school.
Have you played VI? I’m still playing V. Love that game. The mods are great.
Anyone know how to stop male pattern baldness? Asking for a uh FRIEND.
ROFL! I’m sure you’ve lost teeth as well.
Sucks. I’d probably end it all if that happened to me.
Same. My hair, my teeth and my skin are treasures to me. Always keeping them on fleek.
Black guys usually go bald. They actually look really funny looking with afros or hair growing haha.
Some guys can pull it off. I don’t think I can anymore. I’ve had my locks for one third of my life.
To pull off being bald you have to hit the gym a lot, which I havent done in a year. And have tats. Being bald and thin or short is a definite no no. But blacks being thin and short can pull off bald because their natural hair looks clowny.
Involuntary hair loss is mostly a white thing. Some black guys like their hair shaved because it saves time and it looks well on them, but I like a buzzcut (and its variations) or some waves on me. But what’s more important to me is having no dandruff or greasy hair.
Involuntary hair loss is mostly a white thing.
Uhhhh…no….I know plenty of black men with involuntary balding.
Fortunately it doesn’t seem too bad in my family. Some of the men on both sides have receding hairlines and a little patchiness on the top, but that’s it. Even the older ones have mostly retained their hair. A lot of the men in my family have baby faces/large foreheards (sign of high intelligence??) so I dont think we can pull off the bald look. So far my hair has been completely intact.
Simply google search it, all sources are unanimous, male pattern baldness is more common is whites. And your blacks who lose hair must be substantially white themselves. It’s rare in Africa and the Caribbean.
Perhaps. But whenever I think of a receding hairline I think of LeBron James’ s magical disappearing/re-appearing act with his hairline😆
Afro talking nonsense as usual. Many blacks I know really have lost their hair. Its not a surprise as its linked to testosterone. Many black celebs and athletes are bald. A lot fo the African footballers have receding hairlines.
As I said to my black friend when he said hed hate to lose his hair. I said whats the fuckin difference, you shave your hair anyway! Hahaha. The only blacks I met that didnt shave their hair were mixed race guys with dreadlocks trying to keep in touch with the mother africa juju.
How many times do I need to tell you that you have no black friend in the first place?
Facts are facts, black neither crack nor lose hair.
Main scholary source
The prevalence and the severity of androgenetic alopecia is highest in white men, tends to occur less in black men, and later and more slowly in Asian men.
By 30 years of age, it affects about a third of white men. This increases to around 80% in men older than 70 years of age.
https://cks.nice.org.uk/alopecia-androgenetic-male#!topicsummary
From the match today. I count 5 receeding hairlines. And its well know blacks wear wigs a lot more than any other group too.
Its sad I know more black people in real life than Afro. Very sad. And Afro keeps pretending he is the voice of Africa on this blog lol.
4 here. And these are pro athletes, not office workers or old people.
https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fhaititempo.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F02%2FHaitian-National-Team.jpg&f=1
Afros dad is in the back row on the far right.
From the match today. I count 5 receeding hairlines. And its well know blacks wear wigs a lot more than any other group too.
hahaha! Yeah, short hair wigs, what a retard. I only count three receding hairlines here. 2 in the second.
Almost no black men wear wigs (or even a toupee–jazz pianist Billy Taylor, who I met once a few years before he died, is the only one I can think of.)
However, black men do seem over-attentive to their physical appearance in other ways that borders on metrosexual. I’ve heard of black guys getting a particular hairline tattooed on their head so that it would never look uneven. Plus the fact most black guys go to the barber once a week to get “squared-up” and also put in waves with doo-rags/gels and ointments is kinda hilarious.
No need to wonder why you’ve been struggling with girls… Oh, and please, don’t lecture me again about stereotypes because you’re the first to make absurd generalizations.
Didn’t you say you never brushed teeth? Well, that’s hilarious and utterly repulsive.
Did I say that here? I dont remember…
90% of black small businesses are wig shops here. I saw the same in the UK. Blacks are the most venal people in the world. Afro is mentally retarded. He probably has a receeding hariline as we speak and yet hell keep pretending blacks never go bald which only a person who wasn’t black would say…..
Shut up schizy. My hair’s on fleek and like most blacks, I’ll still look youthful well into my 50s.
Did I say that here? I dont remember…
Yes you did, you and mug of pee. And both of you seemed quite contented with that. I had a vision of horror.
Why do White people consider male pattern baldness that bad? I’d shave my head bald and call it a day.
Shaving your head doesnt look good for everyone. I look far better with hair. Its not that bad, just thinning at the right temple now. I lost most of my hair swimming. Chlorine does something to my hair and it doesn’t come back.
White folks’ heads too big and shiny.
gg, i winced
Pumpkin are u bald?
Thankfully no.
What do you do to keep yourself hairsuite? Do you do any special exercises?
Memory has a huge effect on your intelligence.
And the routing of information between brain areas.
Santiago, IQ 165
155 actually
So what’s wrong with this kid?
why assume something is wrong RR?
His voice.
“His voice”
puberty?
or nothing really
At least this one has no pimples and looks about clean. But he sorta looks disabled. I’m not too impressed by the skills though I couldn’t do the same. What truly moves me about people like this is how passionate they are. Although I don’t want to see this type of guys around me, I think they have the right to leave in peace and fulfil their ambitions.
Most of IQ is learned and programming massively boosts IQ because it massively boosts working memory, pattern spotting, etc, all trainable. I also learned to program from around 8 years old but I wasn’t as good as him at that age, I was pretty shit.
He should be 19 by now.
Are you 20 Fenoopy?
I have been meditating recently and my memory has improved.
I’ve written programs before but I still do not know how a computer language works.
His mom’s one hot MILF tho.
Disgusting. What’s with you proving the stereotype that black men have animalistic sexual desires?????
Animals tend to have much sex than us. Most often during the mating season, for reproductive purposes. There’s nothing healthier than high sex drive.
Are you sure about that Afro?
According to this source humans have sex 103 times a year while rodents can have sex 240 times a minute.
http://www.mandatory.com/living/1054349-the-horniest-animals-on-earth
I’m not trying to diminish your sexual accomplishments which I agree billions of men would envy, but I’m just defending the Rushtonian perspective.
Haha no I don’t know how serious are these sources. 240 times a minute hardly makes sense. Like, what does it refer to.
I’ve read many times that recreational sex and year long fertility were specific to “higher” primates.
Much less sex than us*
And they don’t enjoy it as much imo.
Im just glad Afro didnt say his dad was a DILF.
This type of kid used to make me jealous (and I’ve known a few in this IQ range). Now I just marvel at the diversity of human brains and try to be grateful that the US has more of these types than China in case of some impending war (I think).
“This type of kid used to make me jealous”
Why?
I guess because i used to feel special merely on the basis of my smarts, and then in middle school when I met super-smart kids like this it made me feel less special😶 plus computer/STEM smarts are the mostly highly valued nowadays (although Lion would argue verbal leaning careers still do the most vaue-transference and thus make the most money–go lawyers!😆).
I’ve taken some programming classes in the recent past and I didn’t find it that dificult, just boring.
I also want to know gmam, why?
Do you like yourself Gondwanaman?
If STEM smarts were so highly valued, STEM smarts would be behind the world’s richest.
The richest people have VIQ and deploy it mainly in the context of social settings. Bill Gates isn’t Bill Gates because of his math skill. True social intelligence is rare.
Having said that, most people who go into fields like law or finance or whatever aren’t cut out for it…for that reason.
Do you like yourself Gondwanaman?
This varies a lot based on the day, how work is going, my relationships, etc. Also, when I was kid I thought I would be famous, or extremely successful by the age of 27. That hasn’t come even close to happening yet. I stay optimistic though.
“That hasn’t come even close to happening yet.”
Puppy said you were a black national merit finalist.
“Do you like yourself Gondwanaman?”
Such a pointed question. Basically Afro is projecting his own insecurities onto a random black person. Such an idiot.
I think most of us have agreed here by now that Verbal IQ!=social IQ. Although there may be a modest positive correlation (and higher than the correlation between verbal IQ and any other random IQ measure.)
Contra Phil, but in favor of swank, it seems the most successful people in the world are at least 2+ SD on verbal, math and social intelligence. Bill Gates was, if anything, a master manipulator, almost on the level of Steve Jobs.
Swank is wrong. On average people with higher Quant do better than verbal in terms of earnings. And the official rich lists say that. But de facto, the extremely wealthy, who are not always mentioned in forbes, would tend to be psychopathic/socially intelligent.
Bill Gates got rich from a moonshot tech company. Many people set up tech companies like Microsoft in the 80s. Gates and Jobs basically copied tech from Xerox I think to write OS. You never hear about the 5000 other tech cos because journalists want to keep pretending a normal person can become a billionaire in america when its more likely someone born in Detroit becomes english royalty.
Alright.That’s interesting and paradoxal. We’re polar opposites as far as self-esteem matters, yet I’ve never dreamed of becoming famous. I’m attractive and forthcoming so I’ve always been popular but I never wanted more than that. I’m also very complacent with myself and I see the glass half full? I never feel like I’m failing and I don’t think much about what I could have done better.
I can’t tell whether it’d be good for you to feel that way because you may have good reasons to be disappointed of yourself, but you might be a little too tough on yourself at times and that would drain your drive to move forward if those feelings get too prevalent.
If you ever wondered why business magazines devote 50% of their coverage to tech and about 5% to boring industries like paper its because the tech industry is really the only industry a middle class or lower class person can get really rich through merit. And even then I would say at least 50% of tech billionaires have severe autism like Zuckerberg and Gates. I mean, SEVERE autism. Borderline savant.
You need VIQ and SIQ. SIQ to read people and VIQ to successfully manipulate them. High SIQ alone will just render you as able to ‘get along’ in any group, or disillusion you to the point where you won’t really care to be part of any group.
The number one problem people who are ‘smart’ have is true empathy. People just put THEMSELVES in someone else’s shoes, rather than imagine a completely different person who has alien needs/wants/desires.
If you can’t do this, you will never be able to see the logic in anyone else’s actions, and people will just cause you to throw your hands up and say ‘how stupid!’
I’d argue that the correlation between all types of IQ would be quite strong. It’s just the same ability applied to different domains. The problem is that most people in the US, PhDs especially, are socially stupid.
You’d have to have someone like a world renowned con artist draft the test…or something.
You can get rich in finance with aspergers too like Buffet or Steve Cohen.
But most finance billionaires are like Schwarzmann or Milken or Kravis. Pretty obvious psychopaths.
I suspect Soros might be psychopathic as well but his verbal reasoning is so good he knows that certain pro people policies are better for everyone.
I wanted to be, like, actually famous. Like Kim Kardashian slobbin’ on my knob famous (okay ill leave Afro’s shtick to him😅) not just have my name posted in the neighborhood news bulletin.
But my life is good so I can’t complain.
Then I’m not wrong, Phil. Learn to read:
The richest people have VIQ and deploy it mainly in the context of social settings.
And what are you classing as ‘higher quant?’ And do you believe the 10-30k ‘spread’ between quants and non-quants is anything material — that’s usually what people are referring to when they talk about ‘average earnings.’
If you had a kid and you could give him +4 SD on either VIQ or PIQ….which one would make him more money in life? VIQ definitely, especially when you factor in the work/pay ratio.
Such a pointed question. Basically Afro is projecting his own insecurities onto a random black person. Such an idiot.
Aren’t you tired of yourself schizy? Your belief that you have good theory of mind is one of the most comical things in the comments section. It’s quite convenient in the way because if someone wants to know if something’s right or wrong, he just has to read your comments and deduce that the right answer is the opposite of your schizo babble.
GondwanaMan, alright lol that’s actually very funny. It indicates that you’ve had a high opinion of yourself at some point. Have you like stalked some celebrities or something like that?
More proof Blacks tend to seek out social status first and foremost and are generally disinterested in science, etc.
More proof Blacks tend to seek out social status first and foremost and are generally disinterested in science, etc.
Probably true in general but I have a number of family members who have worked in IT/engineering, so I’m an outlier relative to my (black) family. I managed to get thru Calc 2 in high school but I’ve always favored history/geography/social sciences.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adroitness
This seems interesting to in terms of defining “social intelligence.”
Where are you guys living? Firstly, it’s a minority of every race that pursues STEM careers.
Did you know? A Chinaman is more likely to have a wife and cheat on her than having a computer science degree.
Secondly, it’s not true that science nerds are smart, well rounded people with well developed adaptive skills. I’ve known some nerds back in the days, I could have respectful and pleasant interactions with them now and then. But they definitely not came off as smart, just obsessed with a few things and quite desperately ignorant on the rest. And contrary to what they liked to believe, they were not too smart to fit in. There’s no trade off, one can simultaneously master both technical and social skills equally.
Now speaking about race, if there is one thing that differentiates blacks from the rest is that we can be skilled in nerdy stuff without looking disabled. Example here from Animekitty’s video’s channel:
Or here on Nigerian TV:
[fenoopy talk redacted by pp, June 19, 2018, to avoid endless flame wars]
Thanks for the videos afro
One thing I have noticed about these genius kids is that it takes less effort for them think. They simply see a problem and engage it. They see all the ways it could be and pick the most relevant solution. They can analyze it. See where it all fits.
It seems their whole brain is working together as one unit. Like what the hid said (Focus). So his brain is doing all the work. Nothing needs to be forced.
Often I tried to force my brain to think and it did not go to well with that. I take medications for sleeping too much (18 hours a day). I still have trouble focusing. Too many things t keep track of and even with one thing at a time.
Focus lets you take things in and hold it and do something with it.
People say I don’t have social skills but I do when I let the other person do the talking and I ask questions. Older people are impressed by me. I am in toon with others emotions and am more fluid than in my videos because it is real time and I can react faster in the presence of real people. The neuropsychologist I saw said to himself he was surprised I was so considerate. I am able to make people feel comfortable.
I am much better focusing inside than outside. That is where most of my ideas come from. M ideas come more from the unconscious than conscious calculation/manipulation/analysis. All that requires steps to get a result. I try and feel out what seem right and make general descriptions. More abstract. I try to just know what needs to happen than figure it out. I try to intuit things.
To figure out is either a conscious or unconscious cognitive process. People can do both. Since I am low on speed and working memory I mostly figure things out unconsciously. I envy people that can figure things out consciously. Am a little bit sad I cannot find solutions to problems for my projects without focus and conscious figuring thing out. Holding mental things and doing something with it.
Afro,
To go even further in the past, Thomas Fuller had quite incredible mental capacities.
And his capacities were not a rarity in Africa. It is now known that Thomas Fuller must have already developed his calculation abilities in Africa. John Bardot’s 1732 account of people in Fida on the coast of Benin: “The Fidasians are so expert in keeping accounts, that they easily reckon as exact, and as quick by memory, as we can do with pen and ink, though the sum amount to never so many thousands: which very much facilities the trade the Europeans have with them.”
http://www.math.buffalo.edu/mad/special/fuller_thomas_1710-1790.html
Good stuff, this book must be a good read:
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=jAY7AQAAMAAJ&pg=PA336&lpg=PA336&dq=Fidasians&source=bl&ots=KcbtvfGXUd&sig=4ppJKOi3wPKq-Z3XwxljNbtW-28&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiU8deN4uLbAhXrCsAKHZUTACcQ6AEwAXoECAEQOA#v=onepage&q=Fidasians&f=false
Free Ebook.
A New and Accurate Description of the Coast of Guinea, Divided Into the Gold, the Slave, and the Ivory Coasts, Willem Bosman, Sir Alfred Jones, 1705
That said, I can tell from my experience with nerds that there are good and bad things about nerds.
Good things:
-I loved to do group projects with them at school, and not just science projects. They got the job done well and on time and they would not oppose my authority.
-They were endearingly immature, and when we talked about girls and sex, I found out they actually had quite dirty minds. They saw girls as sex dolls instead of playmates and went straight up rapey at times. Which was very amusing coming from such frail and innocent creatures.
-They were loyal, they wouldn’t snitch when someone was up to something and they got to know it, probably because they were easy to scare.
Bad things:
-Visually and, in certain cases, olfactory assaulting goblins.
-Dull conversation most of the time, also stuck up in their own way.
-Unbearable and dangerous in gym class, even worse than the majority of girls. It’s like they had no spatial and motor awareness whatsoever, many contact situations would result in a penalty or an injury. I can’t recall how many times I went out of my mind after losing games because my team was made of broke special Olympics level nerds that the other teams would intentionally brutalize on top of that.
-Unbearable in every type of job that demands reactivity, autonomy, stress management and physical ability.
All in all, I only have tough words for nerds on here because PP and some other commenters make up stuff about them being some kind over-evolved Ubermenschen, which is laughably absurd. But IRL, I would never bully them, I’ve never even got much fun from seeing them being bullied, I prefer seeing an arrogant wannabe cool asshole being sent back to where he belongs. I think nerds should be left alone in peace in the bubble they live in and be tolerated as part of normal human diversity.
I wouldn’t bully nerds either even though I feel anger looking at that spelling kid or anime talking on a video now.
I was one in early high school before ‘blossoming’. I still have a lot of nerd traits like video gaming and liking to read and that. But if people looked at me nobody would call me a nerd.
I now understand why bullies bully. I can feel the anger and the contempt at times. Its kind of funny to see both sides of the coin.
When I was a young nerd I never fit in with the other nerds at all. Youre right, they are dull people with obsessive interests, no social intelligence and I find many nerds good at math especially have poor common sense. They also tend to be uber PC and have terrible humour.
you were never a nerd, nor could you be. you’re a freak not a geek. There are virtually no nerds on this blog. I wish there were.
Afro for some reason sees the world in terms of weird Hollywood movie stereotypes, where nerds are always weak and pathetic incels who only like tinkering with computers, and the more “socially dominant” are less academically-inclined jocks but always athletic and confident.
In the real world:
1. At highly competitive schools, for instance like Stuyvesant or the ones I went to, academic intelligence, particularly in STEM subjects, is correlated with greater popularity, not being an outcast or loser.
2. The social awkward, physically incapable, stooped-over, bad posture nerds are only a minority of all nerds–like maybe 30%
3. Harvard and similar schools are filled with 130 IQ guys who probably completed advanced math and science in high school while competing in sports like lacrosse and cross-country, and leading multiple school clubs–again, showing STEM skills and social/physical skills aren’t mutually exclusive….
Afro for some reason sees the world in terms of weird Hollywood movie stereotypes, where nerds are always weak and pathetic incels who only like tinkering with computers, and the more “socially dominant” are less academically-inclined jocks but always athletic and confident.
The stereotypes exist for a reason and reality often surpasses fictions. I’ve come across weird specimens in my lifetime, especially in my Catholic high school. It was also very telling to meet the parents of these kids.
1. At highly competitive schools, for instance like Stuyvesant or the ones I went to, academic intelligence, particularly in STEM subjects, is correlated with greater popularity, not being an outcast or loser.
The majority of disabled nerds, especially the ones who aren’t academically excellent get barred on personality and extra-curricular criteria. Schools and business prefer someone with good social skills, who knows a little about a lot over a socially awkward person who knows a lot about a little.
2. The social awkward, physically incapable, stooped-over, bad posture nerds are only a minority of all nerds–like maybe 30%
Uh, no… Those who lack these traits aren’t nerds, they’re just smart persons. On the other hand, the actual minority of nerds are the smart ones. Contrary to what people here often say, I have never noticed that the nerds were markedly brighter than the rest, the majority are just mediocre imo.
3. Harvard and similar schools are filled with 130 IQ guys who probably completed advanced math and science in high school while competing in sports like lacrosse and cross-country, and leading multiple school clubs–again, showing STEM skills and social/physical skills aren’t mutually exclusive….
Which is why I said in a previous comment:
“There’s no trade off, one can simultaneously master both technical and social skills equally.”
But at this point, you don’t call someone a nerd anymore.
Agree with PP. I’m weird aka freak, I love nerd and jock things, those stereotypes are outdated but some people do fit them perfectly. There are very few nerds here. The people that would most fit the stereotype are people with autist traits.
“There are virtually no nerds on this blog. I wish there were.”
I cant even imagine what you consider to be a nerd.
“There are virtually no nerds on this blog.”
What’s a nerd?
Nah, the stereotypes are mostly true. It’s mostly a matter of extroversion and introversion. And these are influenced by how one looks. Advantageous physiques tend to be more confident and outgoing, less advantageous ones tend to be more timid. As a result, introverts develop more solitary interests, which are more often than not related to computers, video games, anime etc. But there are also bookworm types of nerds who are more drawn to the humanities and the social sciences. But nerds aren’t more intelligent than the others, they’re always good at what they like.
On the other end, those more on the jock side of the spectrum aren’t dumber, they’re just not obsessed with showing off academic intelligence and are noticed by other, more socially useful attributes.
they’re always good at what they like.
they’re not always good at what they like.
and the more “socially dominant” are less academically-inclined jocks but always athletic and confident.
In the real world most STEM types are the schlubby type. Even the more normal ones are still a little off.
A fairly cool STEM type would be like a Richard Feynman…and those are rare.
And most nerds are insanely child-like in their thinking outside of anything within their sphere of interests. They aren’t well-rounded people.
Even more normal ones get easily taken in by nonsense on social issues, i.e. believing in fairy tales like atomic individualism, swallowing wholesale myths about America’s founding, truly believing manersphere silliness is a ‘red pill,’ etc.
Even in fields like law or finance, the majority are nerd-y. They aren’t full-fledged nerds. They have somewhat of an edge, but they’re still too nerdy to pull off proper legal blitzkriegs.
They also tend to be uber PC and have terrible humour.
4chan would beg to differ.
“There are virtually no nerds on this blog. I wish there were.”
Pumpkin, if by Nerd, you mean a math savvy person, who is getting specialized in one subject without the subject being his job, I don’t see nerds either on your blog.
But I think they arent’ yet nerds in psychology.
Probably, they are people out there, potential nerds, but they haven’t shown up. Stepen Hsu could have created a nerdy platform, but he doesn’t seem to like to enter into technical details. All his conferences and most of his posts don’t go into the details.They are always good 30 minutes presentation.
I see nerds only in computer sciences and in math recreation. Maybe they are nerds in genetics, I don’t know.
But on the other part, you’ve got a quite intelligent readership. I would say the average IQ is around 125 here. So you could nerdify us all by elaborating more and entering with pedagogy into more technical stuff.
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NB: You’ve got at least one commenter, I appreciate him very much, who has a real nerd attitude and energy, but sadly lack the minimum logical ability threshold (under around 125 IQ) to handle the material and engage in constructive scholastic debate. Else, he would be a great motor to nerdify the content a lot. It’s stil very good to have him around and bring interesting material.
I’m introverted but have a tall, athletic build and love sports. I only somewhat agree, I think people’s personalities are in part determined by genetics. I’m more anti-social introverted, not timid introverted.
I love nerd things like anime, hentai, video games etc, but also love MMA, track and swimming.
All those are solo-activities though. I hate group activities like football, basketball, tabletop games, parties etc.
So introverts tend to be divided into two pools, anti-social types and timid types. It’s probably similar with extroverts.
I presume extroverts are divided into obnoxious idiots with no self-awareness, and social butterflies who just enjoy being popular.
What’s a nerd?
It’s primarily an introvert person with obsessive solitary interests. Nerdiness is often but not always comorbid with inadequate physique, lack of sense of fashion, inappropriate behavior, emotional issues and poor hygiene.
Based on the big five model of personality, nerds are:
low in agreeableness, low in openness, low in extraversion, high in neuroticism, high in conscientiousness. I can’t tell whether the opposite would be true of jocks, I’m pretty much one except I’m high in conscientiousness too.
I fit some of the conditions of nerdhood but I keep myself in peak condition all year-round so I’m only half-nerd.
In the real world most STEM types are the schlubby type. Even the more normal ones are still a little off.
Not true, I’ve been to engineering school parties many times and they had a lot of big capable guys. They would only be a smaller share of an engineering school’s student body than what you’d see in a law school or a business school.
I hope you were invited to this party and didn’t just invite yourself.
Invited by friends, or friends of friends, or friends of friends of friends lol. Some parties were often open to anyone but I wouldn’t go to an engineering school party without a local friend, male to female ratio must be 5/1.
One important thing to note is that it’s not just nerdy hobbies that drive people to STEM careers. Most of my doctor friends became doctors because their parents were doctors, most of my engineer friends got there because of their interest in motorsports or because they liked to fix random electronic appliances, others just liked science subjects better than the humanities and the social studies, others followed their friends… It’s complex.
It’s mostly computer science that is the big nerdy thing, I guess that it’s similar to a soccer freak who wants to become a pro player, a video games freak wants to become a developer.
And you don’t think that you kind of self-selected into meeting just the top 1% STEM types?
If it’s a party and friends of friends invited you, and you’re a socially normal or excellent person, which means your friends are likely similar or the same, that could be what is occurring.
Lone wolves are dominant. Socially inclined people come off as beta to me. They’re always pussies, dependents, etc, as opposed to independent and tough as nails.
Do you know the Winklevoss twins? The rich and handsome Harvard regatta athletes who got into a legal battle with Mark Zuckerberg. This is the type of STEM friends I have, and I’d say this type was a substantial minority of my high school peers who went on to pursue STEM careers. The majority however were either invisible or crippled guys. I don’t know if it’s a specificity of rich schools to have a respectable amount of capable guys into STEM, maybe they’re far less numerous in middle class schools and probably non-existent in lower class schools. But I think and hope STEM jocks are far more than 1% of STEM guys overall, maybe 15%, mostly brought there by non-nerdy hobbies and family traditions.
I also have the feeling that humanities types are basket cases as well. Maybe more on the dorky or homosexual side though.
Haha, sad irony, I checked out the Winklevoss twins’ wikipedia page and their background is business and economics, just like their physique suggests…
So I won’t have a famous example of STEM jocks to refer to. Nevertheless, these types exist in STEM fields, and they’re likely much more than 1% of all STEM graduates.
Okay, I found one: the amazing Pietro Boselli
Engineering Ph.D from University College London.
Wrinklevoss Twins are caricature of posh. I doubt there into Stem. And I heard them in videos, I don’t think they are in the gifted category. But they are highly ambitious, energetic and goos’looking, that’s sure !
How about Dolph Lundgren? Pretty much the pinnacle of alpha male+nerd!!!!
STEM is the difference between Europe and Africa.
Yes Lundgren is a genious and a Nordic god.
He doesn’t seem to have this social arrogance called « preppy style » in the USA . In France, there is a dating and social site for students like the winklevoss, called Reseaucampus, and with a friend I used to laugh at the profiles. Very right wing and presomptuous.
How about Dolph Lundgren? Pretty much the pinnacle of alpha male+nerd!!!!
Except nerd =/= skilled in math and STEM. It’s a personality label, not an intellectual one. And social dominance and nerdiness are mutually exclusive because a nerd is an outcast by definition.
Wrinklevoss Twins are caricature of posh. I doubt there into Stem. And I heard them in videos, I don’t think they are in the gifted category. But they are highly ambitious, energetic and goos’looking, that’s sure !
Indeed, whenever I saw them, I was wondering why the hell they were hanging around the likes of Zuckerberg, thinking they’d be fit for brighter careers than anything STEM-related. It makes much more sense now that I know they have an economics and business background.
Nerds are not outcasts by definition. No single trait defines nerdiness.
Socially accepted nerds are called geeks, social rejection is central to the nerd experience.
You’re confusing nerd with misfit. There’s great overlap between the two groups but most nerds form their own cliques and some even become accepted by the in-crowd who affectionately mock their nerdiness
It’s like being black. It’s an essence not a rigid defining trait. Few nerds have all nerd traits just like few blacks have all black traits
The type of people I would affectionately fancy as pets were more dorky than nerdy. Those are admirable for their carelessness and their originality and their boldness.
Nerds form cliques, because the can stand each other and because they tend to be stuck-up. But these cliques are the untouchable of the caste system. You deal with them only for schoolwork, but you always keep the necessary distance.
Misfits would be the people that absolutely nobody can put up with. They don’t even need to be nerdy or dorky. Their obnoxious behavior, likely caused by deeper psychological issues, would cause them unanimous rejection.
They’re only untouchables in high school. By their thirties they’re they’re often on top.
By contrast misfits stay at the bottom
You sure of that? I rather think former high school nerds make good careers as technical employees but are outstripped by (often younger) former jocks in management and leadership.
If you get your revenge of the nerds assumption based on technology billionaires bios, I think you’re not looking in the right direction. The fields that rule the world are law, business/management, finance, politics and the media, and these are competitive sectors that primarily recruit former high school jocks.
But nerds like bill gates and bezos can buy all the media, politicians & lawyers they want, but they’re nerds so they’d rather use the money to end disease or search for aliens than to rule the world
Errrr, that’s far-fetched.
First, their fortune is theoretical, it’s just the market value of their companies, not what’s on their bank accounts.
Secondly, it’s more complex than that, I wouldn’t say they’re still nerds after all their achievements and all the respect they’ve gained. They’re also too old for these labels to apply in their purest sense. Anyhow, even if they were still nerds, their companies are most definitely not run by nerds across the whole management process.
Everyone’s net worth is theoretical to a degree. You never know what the dollar is gona sink. And if nerd is only a label that applies in school years, the whole discussion is trivial.
Meh, though severe adverse experiences in those years can wreck whole existences.
“an unstylish, unattractive, or socially inept person; especially : one slavishly devoted to intellectual or academic pursuits”
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/nerd
I mean….
“4chan would beg to differ.”
ahahah! Thats not true, their sense of humor is just repeting the n-word and regurgitating stuff, somethimes they hit a nice joke, like a couple times an hour. but when you consider that there are thousands of them, its just sad. There are threads where they cry about women, they perfectly follow what Afro says.
Animekitty is a misfit.
You meet a lot of normal eastern european types that are really good at math and also I would consider borderline jocks. Must be a more masculine environment causing that.
Afro is right about physique being a major attribute but I’ve known tall or fat guys that are nerds. Winklevoss twins are preps which is basically a decent IQ jock you only find in private schools or some colleges.
I did business and economics and its basically what jocks do in college if they dont end up being a PT or on welfare.
Fenoopy is talking about whats called a SIgma male. Which is a misfit or socially outside person that is cool but not a jock. Think drug dealer in college or musician/artist.
here I am
right at the bottom
Your looks are really important. If youre really good looking, like myself, you are automatically treated not like a nerd and not invisible to women. Those manosphere guys basically say what you are is how women treat you. If thats the case Im a legend. Hahaha.
But I used to be pretty ugly looking so I know both sides of the coin.
it is so much better now my cooler works.
The guys in finance and law aren’t nerds, unless youre talking about the quants or programmers. A lot of them are the guys in school who worked hard, followed the rules and were decent at sport and pretty bland. Normies.
But the office I was in, most of the guys were jocks. We had 2 more or less pro athletes there.
Salespeople are almost always jocks. Any job in finance where you dont work hard and you dont do math, you get trust fund babies and jocks sons of the aristocracy.
Almost all asians Ive met in offices are nerds.
Blacks are basically special olympics athletes. Everyone wants them to do well and applauds wildly when they get something done. Its quite amusing seeing how lifelong brainwashing makes people act. The people I worked with were racist and made fun of the black girl in AML a bit…I never ever said or did anything ‘racist’. Thats a definite no no in the office. But I did joke once about my black friend being an AA hire and having to learn by watching me hahah. I was waaay more incompetent than him. I am genuinely a terrible employee.
I think the reason I’ve been fired so much is because I have undiagnosed ADD. I spend most of the time doing my own thing rather than working because I find it too boring. Most office jobs are really really fucking boring. You have some form of autism to do really well in some roles.
McKinsey people are oxbridge mostly. I very angry that didnt work out. Im pretty good at those types of problems. My mental health problems destroyed that opportunity in a very bad way.
I never worked in private equity. But I knew a lot of guys that did. They are that bland normal work hard tickbox guy x100. A lot of them are german in America from what ive read. Not deformed looking. Into marathons and endurance sports.
It’s not sigma Philosopher. Is Putin a sigma? Putin is Alpha. I consider Afrosapien’s social pandering to be classic beta behavior (not an insult, opinion, no need to redact). Beta wannabe posing as an alpha. None of the quiet self-assurance that leaders have, just lots of peacock feathers and showboating.
Note his fear of associating with nerd groups etc beyond school work, I have none of that. I associate with who I please, when I please.
Let’s put things in context:
Me and my sisters, cousins and neighbors (and their siblings before them all) formed a clan that was even more solid than a regular clique. Basically a few surnames, linked to the same wealthy neighborhood had formed the school’s aristocracy before I was even born, and even the teachers seemed to acknowledge this fact. That was a very special private Catholic school though, not sure everybody can relate to the social dynamics there.
On top of that, and whether you accept it or not, I was one of the best looking guys, I shone in athletics, I threw huge parties and I would always be seen with a pretty chick under my arms. So I didn’t mean to bully anyone to assert dominance and I could associate with the nerds for schoolwork without social repercussions, and this was a huge transgression. My friends who were complete jocks would rather have bad grades than being seen with such losers but they knew I cared about school so they would not judge me. The girls appreciated that I had the maturity to treat everyone fairly and to prioritize academics over childish nerd/jock matters. It also had an effect on how the teachers saw me and I was one of the most trusted students.
My collaborations with the nerds are memories are cherish to the utmost. We really did great job together and got applauded, I was very proud of them each time, and proud of myself for the way I seemed to uplift them and help them get over their insecurities to have a well deserved moment of unanimous appreciation. I’ve always loved to make people grow. And although we both knew we belonged to different worlds, and that no close friendship would survive from our improbable collaborations, they always knew I’d be there to quietly tell my dumb bully friends to tone down when things went out of control, and that I would personally never do anything to cause them more than they already faced.
So yeah, you can say I was not an alpha, I was not a thug or a tyrant. I don’t have the aesthetics for it, I have soft features, a bright smile tattooed on my face and a calm demeanor. But beta doesn’t apply either, I’ve done things my own way with awareness of the dos and don’ts and the privileges linked to my status.
The test of whether a ‘nerd’ comes out on top is…
…his WIFE.
Melinda Gates —> for all of those $$$. Raw deal, Bill…you lost.
Steve Jobs on the other hand
Lauren Powell, not bad.
But then again, was Steve Jobs ever a nerd?
You seriously doubt Gates could have a hot wife in 5 seconds if he cared to?
And no jobs was no nerd.
Yes….because why didn’t he?
Even Paul McCartney could only land a babe when she was missing a leg, and she rolled all over him.
If you can’t use your smarts to turn the circumstances against you in your favor, well…you didn’t come out on top.
I don’t think high IQ guys care as much about sex.
Except truly smart people aren’t shallow like that and care about other things besides appearance in their lifelong partner. Of course 125 swank would never understand this.
“I seemed to uplift them and help them get over their insecurities to have a well deserved moment of unanimous appreciation.”
You were doing school projects, not going into war. I genuinely think in Afros mind, he thinks he might be a lost royalty of africa or some sort of historical figure.
[rest of comment redacted by pp, June 22, 2018]
Lol, oh please you excuse makers….
Give it up. As if it’s impossible for attractive women to be well-rounded great people — all other things equal, even a smart man would prefer the attractive (or at least more attractive than he) well-rounded woman.
Using PP’s definition of intelligence — turning the situation around to your advantage — the truly smart nerds are the ones who turned what was against them in the world, dating/marriage market, in their favor.
The problem, of course, is that Jobs, Feynman, and Sagan really probably aren’t nerds. They were ‘high IQ,’ though…suggesting that even science high IQ types seem to care about their partner’s attractiveness.
Gates turned the situation to his advantage by becoming the world’s first centi-billionaire. That means he can buy almost any advantage he wants, ESPECIALLY women. Jobs, Feynman, and Sagan are nowhere near as smart as Gates, so they have the same desires and ambitions as normal men.
Getting a good looking wife is only impressive if she’s of similar wealth/power. But any rich guy can buy a hot wife if she’s much less wealthy. Haven’t you seen all those 80-year-old gazillionaires with 25-year-olds on their arm? They look like fools.
I knew a guy who knowing about my interest in intelligence asked me “do you think having a beautiful wife is a sign of intelligence, because I do. I really really do”
But his good looking wife was a Southeast Asian immigrant who was obviously using him to get into the country.
One day an Ashkenazi Jewish drunk who frequented the same bar finally lost his cool over the fact that this dorky loser was constantly bragging about his hot wife and screamed “YOUR WIFE IS A MAIL ORDER BRIDE!!!!! EVERYONE HERE KNOWS IT EXCEPT YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!”
The dork accused the drunk Jew of being racist
You were doing school projects, not going into war.
Schizy’s social ineptitude shows again. Giving an expressive speech and showing the best of themselves in front of the people who mock them and make the feel insignificant on a daily basis was just as tough as going at war for the insecure introverts they were.
And I was the only one who would make them feel comfortable in this exercice. Because I have some excellent interpersonal skills (like Oprah lol), and the other students had respect for me so they would remain quiet and congratulate the work I’d do, even (or especially) if it was with the most desperate nerds of the grade. The teachers were always thanking me after class, saying it was great to have a mature student that who worked efficiently and treated others people fairly.
I genuinely think in Afros mind, he thinks he might be a lost royalty of africa or some sort of historical figure.
No, only you have mental issues.
Fenoopy believes himself to have credibility of any kind after
‘I love nerd things like anime, hentai, video games etc’
Don’t get me wrong, I’ve never watched Oprah’s shows nor read personal development BS. I did middle school at a military boarding school where I learned esprit de corps.
When I arrived in high school, I understood that a civilian setting would be a jungle where might would make right and that those at the bottom of the food chain would have a tough time. I was not the ultimate white knight either. I didn’t even liked the nerds that much, they truly pissed me off and made me cringe, especially in gym class, and I would also let a lot of bullying happen without giving a shit.
But I know there is a good side to anybody, nerds included, so I thought it was important to help them showing it sometimes, just like the strong helped the weak at my military school.
They should make a Hollywood movie about Afro helping nerds become popular. It could star Will Smith as Afro. And they could get the superbad nerd guys. And afro could finally get the recognition and oscars he deserves like all the other black people. They should even give oscars to people that are black that know afro in ‘reperations’.
That means he can buy almost any advantage he wants, ESPECIALLY women.
then WHY DIDN’T HE?
If he coulda, he woulda…assuming that he somehow just didn’t ‘really want’ a hot wife in the absence of any real evidence ain’t gonna cut the mustard.
He’s worth $80 billion and doesn’t have a hot wife. How much more evidence that he’s not interested do you need?
It’s like a massive body builder not picking up a 10 lb barbell. The only rational conclusion is he doesn’t want to.
Getting a good looking wife is only impressive if she’s of similar wealth/power.
or if the guy in question is a super nerdo/very unattractive.
And lol, wealth is not what grants women status/power in society: (1) looks first combined with (2) brains/warmth/kindness does.
But any rich guy can buy a hot wife if she’s much less wealthy
Afaik Melinda was much less wealthy than Bill, so what was the problem? If it was just oh so easy, why didn’t Bill have his pick of the hot, smart but less wealthy women?
“One day an Ashkenazi Jewish drunk who frequented the same bar finally lost his cool over the fact that this dorky loser was constantly bragging about his hot wife and screamed “YOUR WIFE IS A MAIL ORDER BRIDE!!!!! EVERYONE HERE KNOWS IT EXCEPT YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!”
The dork accused the drunk Jew of being racist”
HAHA Thats a good story.
IMO of those scientists and people you named, only Bill Gates I would call a retard.
Bill Gates is basically the spelling bee boy grown up and brainwashed.
I never made a nerd popular. There were just a few guys in my neighborhood that I helped getting more integrated but these already had a foot in the cool crowd because they lived at the right place, bore the right surnames. The guys I did school projects with never became popular, they just had their minute of recognition, only to become the outcasts the were again as soon as they left the classroom.
Bill Gates can’t attract good looking women period. As an autist he probably doesn’t have sex drive either.
I bet if you gave 80bn to the spelling bee boy he would ‘save africa’. Just a hunch.
He’s worth $80 billion and doesn’t have a hot wife. How much more evidence that he’s not interested do you need?
That isn’t evidence that he’s not interested. There’s tons of evidence that even smart, rich, powerful (within their industry) men can’t handle beautiful women, are INTIMIDATED BY THEM, but still very much desire them.
so your analogy to a 10lb barbell is inapt.
Warren Buffett still lives in a half-million dollar house, despite being worth tens of billions. I guess he can’t buy a bigger house. Maybe big beautiful houses intimidate him but he secretly desires them. 🙂
“Give it up. As if it’s impossible for attractive women to be well-rounded great people — all other things equal, even a smart man would prefer the attractive (or at least more attractive than he) well-rounded woman.”
I can fuck any attractive woman I want at 100k a year, let alone several billion dollars in net worth. Why would I marry anybody? Marrying a Melania Trump aka mail order bride is such beta, status signalling behavior. That’s why they’re called ‘trophy wives’.
Those ‘elites’ participate in shitty high-school circle-jerking status-signalling behavior. And it’s fucking beta, because they’re not the real elites. They’re puppets and prostitutes that lick the boots of the real elites. They are beta by definition, THAT IS WHY THEY WERE SELECTED. Good beta.
You can fuck as many Melania Trumps as you want for a few hundred dollars. If I’m going to marry someone, it’ll be a simple, unpretentious and intelligent person. Like Melinda gates. You don’t find those qualities in people borderline-obsessed with appearance like Afrosapiens, that’s just not how the world works.
I’m jealous, Bill and Melinda look like they really have something special.
“Fenoopy believes himself to have credibility of any kind after
‘I love nerd things like anime, hentai, video games etc’”
Bite me. I do as I please and I like what I please. Did I mention I like hentai?
“If he coulda, he woulda…assuming that he somehow just didn’t ‘really want’ a hot wife in the absence of any real evidence ain’t gonna cut the mustard.”
Why would he want a Melania Trump? Think about it for a second, you 125 iq sub-human
“Marrying a Melania Trump aka mail order bride is such beta, status signalling behavior.”
Watch the show 90 Day Fiancée, there’s a lot of that there. Funny stuff.
Maybe big beautiful houses intimidate him but he secretly desires them.
Maybe exceptions are the rule, PP. 🙂
I can fuck any attractive woman I want
Must be why you love hentai so much…
is such beta, status signalling behavior.
…watching hentai is alpha as fuck.
you 125 iq sub-human
And Fenoopy reveals himself as a member of the loser movement…what the kids call ‘incel.’
Point is Gates and Buffett are cut from the same cloth. They don’t care about big houses, nice cars, fine art, sexy wives, tribal interests or anything else related to status. Money is a better measure of success than any specific item because you can use money to buy almost anything, including charity, so it’s a good way to compare the success of people with different values. Though even money is nowhere near a perfect measure of success.
Top cringe moments.
Schizy:
Your looks are really important. If youre really good looking, like myself, you are automatically treated not like a nerd and not invisible to women. Those manosphere guys basically say what you are is how women treat you. If thats the case Im a legend. Hahaha.
Fenoopy:
I love nerd things like anime, hentai, video games etc’
and
I can fuck any attractive woman I want at 100k a year, let alone several billion dollars in net worth. Why would I marry anybody? Marrying a Melania Trump aka mail order bride is such beta, status signalling behavior. That’s why they’re called ‘trophy wives’.
and
Bite me. I do as I please and I like what I please. Did I mention I like hentai?
I mean…
“This creature softened my heart of stone. She died and with her died my last warm feelings for humanity.”
“I don’t want to have to go home and have to work at a relationship, a relationship you have to work at, in my opinion doesn’t work.”
Want to play spot the beta, Swank? I can play this game all day.
Note his fear of associating with nerd groups etc beyond school work, I have none of that. I associate with who I please, when I please.
Why else would you associate with the nerds? To circle jerk to your favorite hentai?
Kato Svanidze arguably looks worse than Melinda gates.
“Why else would you associate with the nerds? To circle jerk to your favorite hentai?”
I don’t associate with anybody, but I’m certainly not afraid to do so. Generally I associate with other Maghrebin, my cousins, brothers, extended family etc.
“Must be why you love hentai so much…”
It actually is. I’d rather watch porn than go on tinder dates.
“…watching hentai is alpha as fuck.”
I’ll watch any kind of porn I please.
“And Fenoopy reveals himself as a member of the loser movement…what the kids call ‘incel.’”
I’m tall, good looking and athletic. You’re short, Jewish and poor. Do the math. Not to mention of all places you could choose to brag about your ‘sexual conquests’ you choose a HBD blog. Literally hilarious, the level of delusion.
“Top cringe moments. ”
I could completely destroy you if PP posted a single one of my Afrosapiens related insults. You’re a fraud, Afro. Still waiting for you to post a picture of yourself with your name on a piece of paper. Creepy to live-action roleplay as somebody you’re not.
Afrosapiens the son of French aristocracy, dueling Algerians on the internet! Hahaha
It’s too subjective for me to decide what does or doesn’t qualify as an insult so from now on, I’ll just moderate anything you and Afro say to or about each other. You guys are getting way too personal.
Yes the same cloth of unattractive men who married unattractive…conventionally at least….women.
Money can’t buy everything….
…haven’t you heard the saying money can’t buy love?
It’s true.
“Yes the same cloth of unattractive men who married unattractive…conventionally at least….women.
Money can’t buy everything….
…haven’t you heard the saying money can’t buy love?
It’s true.”
How is Stalin unattractive? Stalin is god-like, pussy-slayer material. Just look at that mustache.
This is how we know Swank is gay. That and the meme usage.
How is Stalin unattractive? Stalin is god-like, pussy-slayer material. Just look at that mustache.
This is how we know Swank is gay. That and the meme usage.
…lmfao
Fawning over Stalin while in the next breath accusing someone else of being a homo.
I’m tall, good looking and athletic. You’re short, Jewish and poor.
I’m neither jewish nor poor.
Not to mention of all places you could choose to brag about your ‘sexual conquests’ you choose a HBD blog
Lol, I don’t talk about that stuff much on here, if at all. You’re the one who keeps going on and on about how great you are and how you can effortlessly pull attractive women but choose not to because hentai is superior.
I’d rather watch porn than go on tinder dates.
I’ll watch any kind of porn I please.
I haven’t watched porn since I was 17.
Still waiting for you to post a picture of yourself with your name on a piece of paper.
‘Literally hilarious, the level of delusion.’ I agree 😀
so it’s a good way to compare the success of people with different values.
I agree when it comes to social matters unrelated to dating.
But the way to measure success in all areas romantic is what I say: how hot is the wife/spouse/significant other?
I grade on a curve, though. If a man has a SO that is more attractive than he, then he has turned the situation to his advantage in a big way.
The only thing that I learned from this video is that this kid is an apple slave(program in Objective-C, for Apple products and on an Apple product) and is able to make a checker, a puzzle and a Christmas tree app.
As someone who started programming around 11 years old, this is not enough to be called a “prodigy”.
That’s a nerdy comment.
He’s right though, I was doing more advanced things at 8. I didn’t watch the video but I presumed the kid was better than me (because he was being described as a prodigy) but he sucks.
Even if a person was very talented like the kid above, if he was illegal I wouldnt hesitate for a second to deport him. His home country needs him more anyway.
I always make the same point. You don’t want the US to drain the third-world of the little talent they have (although I have no problem with the top .1% coming here for college in STEM areas; we don’t need them for anything else, though).
My cooler got fixed.
It hasn’t been working all summer.
I live in the desert.
He looks so much the same as his teacher that it made me laugh ! The guy is very specialized for his young age, like s’a Savant. Parents knows it. That’s why they insist so much on stating the opposite,Renaissance men and alleged varied interesrs. Hope he doesn’t have his IQ te-tested, because he would disappointed to loss maybe 15 points. Hope he does f plateaud
Another guy who looks the same is more appealing. It’s interesring to see how spelling bee contestant are good at a diverse variety of things . This young Evan guy won the Putnam prize and his working his PhD in math with a field medal . The field medal is also interested because he comes from an Indian banian family – they are really like Indian Jews – who got themselves promoted as Brahmin by a process called sanskritization. And the grand father of this professor was one of the most recognized poet and translator of sanskrit. So you got here a true example of extreme g investing itself in vary varied fields through generations and both one ´ s life. The grandson is very into Sanskrit and music .
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evan_O%27Dorney
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manjul_Bhargava
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purushottama_Lal
This kid is super super nerdy.
His hand movements and physiognomy suggest he has autism actually. Plus the weird pauses in speech at odd moments.
Im pretty confident that kid is trolling the newslady, which takes superior social IQ.
Hes clearly not. Look at his hands, they move involuntarily. Thats a very common autistic trait.
Naw, he’s just hamming it up for the cameras. He’s truly genius!
I was laughing the whole time at the lady’s barely-veiled contempt.
ROFL, her contempt is hilarious. He’s a fucking retard though, not trolling. I know many of them because I like autists, I find them interesting, creative etc.
Gman, how can you not tell this kid has severe autism? Its bordering on Rain Man.
Weird thing is, now that I think about it, some of my best friends in high school looked/acted like this. I wonder if they were autistic…
Uh… That’s very unfortunate for someone who dreamed of being famous. If you hang with ugly and creepy guys, people assume you’re ugly and creepy too.
Perhaps you’re right…social proofing is one of the most powerful human biases…
“Hope he doesn’t have his IQ te-tested, because he would disappointed to loss maybe 15 points.”
Why would he be disappointed?
He seems to enjoy standing out. Once he is just repeating himself and realize being just another nerd, it may be stressful. Hopefully he will get over it .
People like that shouldn’t be babied because once they hit the real world they’re in for a whole new ballgame.
Its really really really embarrassing the french voted for Macron. I can’t think of a more globalist caricature. Maybe Tony Blair, middle east ‘peace envoy’ and lover of Murdochs wife.
https://eu.reporternews.com/story/opinion/columnists/2017/03/05/how-many-sessions-did-ag-have-russians/98689276/
Our psychopath community at work again. Very nice as Borat says.
If you watch a Stephen Jay Gould video you wouldn’t think hes psychopathic. But he probably is. I mean, I wouldn’t think Dustin Hoffman was, but you read the stories and think – only a person with an impaired frontal cortex would say that.
Some psychopaths ooze “scummy”: see L. Ron Hubbard or Harvey Weinstein. Others, not so much.
Gould did nothing wrong. Gould is vindicated.
https://cbs.asu.edu/sites/default/files/PDFS/remeasuring-man.pdf
https://philpapers.org/archive/KAPGOM.pdf
http://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/journal.pbio.1002444
Im not going to bother debating nonsense with you.
Correct. It is nonsense attempting to defame a man as a “fraud” when he was subsequently vindicated.
PP thoughts on these papers?
it’s a testament to Gould that people would even think that him fudging those numbers (not that he necessarily did) would cast serious doubt on his credibility….
…his analysis there was just to illustrate a larger point about bias in the sciences.
he made a lot of significant scientific contributions in his own right and was a polarizing public figure. hallmark of uniqueness.
Hes a conman. Everything he says is lying.
Swank, agreed. It’s hilarious how people continously cite Rushton, Jensen, and Lewis et al 2011 without even stating that solid rebuttals exist against those arguments.
Ill go be the controversy for PP’s blog soon. I have a good book on Morton’s skulls.
Where I grew up, people that were that nerdy would be severely bullied. I had a friend with pretty strong autism that was harassed a lot. One day he was walking down the corridor and someone punched him in the back of the head. But since he would never fight. he let the much smaller guy away with it.
20 years later on the banking floor, I could see all the lads bullying a nice guy. I didn’t join in though. Amazing how much can change.
Fortunately I’ve never been bullied myself (at least not extensively in real life). But based on what I’ve seen I don’t agree with the idea that you should fight back. I’ve seen that go very wrong…
I agree. You shouldn’t always. But you should hit the gym and learn a martial art. I think people only bully people that look weak.
“But based on what I’ve seen I don’t agree with the idea that you should fight back. I’ve seen that go very wrong…”
Fighting back and getting your ass kicked is better than just getting your ass kicked and cowering like a little bitch.
Not always RR. People have been stabbed to death in my secondary school. Sometimes you just can’t win. Generally though, yes, making yourself out to be a threat or more trouble than you’re worth is better than cowering and taking the punishment.
Not all of us live in North Africa fenoopy, in the Western white world it’s worth it, though most bullying is exclusion.
That was in London, Haringey, Mouse. It was Chavs (native English) and Blacks doing the stabbing. Predominantly Blacks.
Western white world ie continental Europe. I though you lived in North Africa.
No I live in central London.
Welp….You’ve lived a much more hardcore life than me. The most I’ve ever seen is some bigger/more mature a-hole guys push another, nerdier, socially awkward guy against the wall after he had the nerve to talk back. And the “bigger guys” were from well-to-do families, these weren’t street thugs. So a little different than your situation.
I was a huge bully but I defended my nerdy friends when people attacked them. Philosopher is a bad friend. I pride myself on loyalty.
The problem here, is that people fail to see that American culture is a very ‘might makes right’ and sadistic culture.
How do you know you’re on the verge of being let in to a group?
If the high ranking members of the group are giving you shit!
This is the explanation behind the phenomenon of ‘heavy presumptions against, but once a minimum threshold is crossed, one is given way more credit.’
It has NOTHING to do with AA.
It has NOTHING to do with ‘reverse discrimination’ or any of that.
It’s how good ol’ boys operate.
The initiation is HELL, but once you’re in….
…you’re made.
Bizarre as that sounds, bullies are a blessing.
How do you know you’re on the verge of being let in to a group?
If the high ranking members of the group are giving you shit!
That might be the origin of paranoid personality disorder. It’s better to think you’re being picked on than to think you’re being completely ignored.
How can you call yourself an evolutionary biologist and say the brain hasn’t changed since the invention of the wheel to the empire state building. Gould said that to Charlie Rose. I guess he would also say ashkenazi intelligence is your imagination and that blacks inability to invent the wheel is because of racism.
The brain got smaller and then bigger.
Do you understand Gould’s overall point in those quotes?
Here’s Gould in his own words:
“The most impressive contrast between natural evolution and cultural evolution lies embedded in the major fact of our history. We have no evidence that the modal form of human bodies or brains has changed at all in the past 100,000 years—a standard phenomenon of stasis for successful and widespread species, and not (as popularly misconceived) an odd exception to an expectation of continuous and progressive change. The Cro-Magnon people who painted the caves of the Lascaux and Altamira some fifteen thousand years ago are us—and one look at the incredible richness and beauty of this work convinces us, in the most immediate and visceral way, that Picasso held no edge in mental sophistication over these ancestors with identical brains. And yet, fifteen thousand years ago no human social grouping had produced anything that would conform with our standard definition of civilization. No society had yet invented agriculture; none had built permanent cities. Everything that we have accomplished in the unmeasurable geological moment of the last ten thousand years—from the origin of agriculture to the Sears building in Chicago, the entire panoply of human civilization for better or for worse—has been built upon the capacities of an unaltered brain. Clearly, cultural change can vastly outstrip the maximal rate of natural Darwinian evolution.” (Gould, 1996: 220)
But human cultural change is an entirely distinct process operating under radically different principals that do allow for the strong possibility of a driven trend for what we may legitamately call “progress” (at least in a technological sense, whether or not the changes ultimately do us any good in a practical or moral way). In this sense, I deeply regret that common usage refers to the history of our artifacts and social orginizations as “cultural evolution.” Using the same term—evolution—for both natural and cultural history obfuscates far more than it enlightens. Of course, some aspects of the two phenomena must be similar, for all processes of genealogicallt constrained historical change must share some features in common. But the differences far outweigh the similarities in this case. Unfortunately, when we speak of “cultural evolution,” we unwittingly imply that this process shares essential similarity with the phenomenon most widely described by the same name—natural, or Darwinian, change. The common designation of “evolution” then leads to one of the most frequent and portentious errors in our analysis of human life and history—the overly reductionist assumption that the Darwinian natural paradigm will fully encompass our social and technological history as well. I do wish that the term “cultural evolution” would drop from use. Why not speak of something more neutral and descriptive—“cultural change,” for example? (Gould, 1996: 219-220)
The quotes are from his book Full House.
What’s wrong with these quotes? PP, thoughts?
I shouldn’t even have to say this—because it can be inferred—but Full House is a sustained—wonderfully argued—argument against the notion of “progress” in evolutionary biology. He made a solid case against it in regard to humans and “lower” hominins.
Gould is very smart though. He kind of talks at the same pace I did in my prime. His VIQ is super high. Unfortunately hes using it to fool people into believing nonsense.
You can use the same abilities to create cults, ideologies and religions. Or to make an instinctual response of white people into a moral problem.
Yes. VIQ rules the world…as I have said.
Gould hardly said “nonsense”. But I’m interested in some of the “nonsense” he’s said. Do you have quotes? References?
Funnily enough Sacha Baron Cohen is a jew himself. Most of Borat was making fun of Americans for bombing the middle east. When Cohen probably knows why America is bombing the Middle East.
This movie is so much fun ! I love when he wants the lady to clean his ass after going to the toilet. Or when he says to a nice middle class car boot seller that she is a gipsy who has bewitched his neighbors into dolls. And when they realize they have been staying with Jews and think they have transformed themselves into cockroaches, it could be you Philo !
I ve laughed so much .
Guardian not allowing any comments on their immigration articles which is basically the entire homepage right now. Learned their lesson. The danes dont like it when people figure out how unpopular their policies are.
Dopamine: focus on tasks
Acetylcholine: enhance sensory perception
GABA: main inhibitory neurotransmitter
Serotonin: synchronizes brain activity
I just discovered there are only 300M twitters accounts who are active once a month. But Obama, Bieber and Perry have 100M followers. Even DeGeneres has 75M. I true here in France asking around 50 people from average background, people drinking a coffee at a bar, if they knew DeGeneres. No one knew who she was. So the figures can’t be right. Impossible that one fourth of the active accounts and 15% of accounts having being used at least one time since creation are following her …
I believe the 40% accounts created that never were used are following by default some favoured persons who have fake followers. When I created one, they proposed me Obama and many artists automatically …
The Osmangolu family (Islam’s Caliphate) is yet more proof of how strongly light-skin and eyes are sexually selected for among the higher classes.
Is that evidence for the sexual selection hypothesis?
The anthropologist/blogger Peter Frost has frequently discussed sexual selection as it relates to both light skin and Turkish royalty.
So?
Obviously it’s not evidence but it’s interesting.
Made me think of some “theories”–would the elites in most societies evolve over time to be more blonde/whiter? More intelligent? More psychopathic?
The last of those traits is particularly interesting, because it would suggest “HBD theory” would predict that elites get blonder and more psychopathic over time (in addition to more intelligent). But blondeness in the general population is associated with innoncence/naivete…
It’s a just-so story.
Yes.
I think Jews are just a high-class club for the elites of all Caucasoid nations, which is why I am part-Jewish by blood. There is no ‘Jewish’ race, just the ‘priest’ and ruling class of most nations tended to convert to Judaism to be part of the ‘chosen people’.
Ashkenazi Jews are Caucasian.
people often confuse persuasiveness with intelligence.
the extent to which one can make a persuasive argument depends on how closely one’s priors overlap with another person’s priors (or one can accurately guess as to another person’s priors).
next, it depends on how well one can communicate one’s ideas in the first place, which, in a lot of cases, comes down to cultural norms governing discourse.
those don’t necessarily speak to raw intellect, even though they are often confused with it.
the best social way to judge intelligence is “who engages?”
if a man speaks and the smartest person in the room responds — no matter the reason — to engage, or a conversation erupts between the man and the ‘smart kids,’ even if they vehemently disagree while going back and forth, it’s safe to assume whoever it is is fairly intelligent.
the ability to create ideas that ‘smart’ people respond to, in other words.
I can’t have intelligent conversations with people where I live and lived. Its very very rare Ive met someone ‘on the level’. I met the smartest man in my country once at an event and he was a bit like our Robert Mugabe. The PIQ meant his social intelligence wasn’t the best but you enjoyed talking about more abstract things.
Persuasiveness also depends on “social dominace”…which depends on lot of other things, like physical dominance, likability, talent, popularity, social status, etc…
Those are all just functions of cultural norms surrounding discourse
I remember going to a MENSA philosophy event in Cambridge some time ago and realising I was the smartest person in the room. The guy read out a passage from Nozick and said it can be hard to understand Nozick, but I got it first time.
At least 60-70% of the people in the room thought Russia had hacked the US elections.
It just goes to show, that if you control the source of peoples information, you can keep smart people as dumb, if not more dumber than the guy in the bookies smelling of urine betting on horses all day.
To me what shows intelligence is being presented with new facts and changing your mind when you see them. I was a liberal like Bill Maher kind of back in the days. I find some obscure websites, and to me its a slam dunk that the world as they describe really is like that. Then you generate new ideas .i.e being able to name the kingpins, understanding more meta things.
There was a guy I knew a long time ago and he mentioned he wanted to study philosophy. I grew up in a hillbilly town with a retard dad and mental mother, so it was one of the few times growing up I got to talk about abstraction beyond religion.
Anyways, I remember thinking afterwards the guy wasn’t smart enough to do philosophy. But years later I found out what people actually study in philosophy and realised you can’t be basically a retardate as long as you like grammer and don’t say anything.
#you can be a retardate
Its kind of fascinating in that you can read older philosophy books and essays right up to the 20th century and think about the things people say and then you read Baudrillard or Wittgenstein or that other French guy and think…what happened? Its kind of a clown world now reading ‘philosophy’ now.
IMO Freud probably wrote the best philosphy of the latter 20th century from what Ive read. It wasn’t hard considering nobody else bothered to say anything substantive.
One of the reasons I consider the spelling bee guy or Bill Gates or Terry Tao to be actually dangerous to people is the fact that they have been placed in noteworthy academic positions by psychopathic people or just selfish elites in essence to dam information and keep smart kids in the dark.
I 100% believe its purposeful what major themes and styles are used in various academic subjects. Theres a direction in it. Why? Because nothing illogical and absurdist would have passed muster with smart people that were there before so you have to bribe, threaten or brainwash people to believe and teach bullshit before eventually selecting autistic idiots to replicate the nonsense 4 fold ad infinitum.
In economics you had Keynes talking common sense, and then for ‘some reason’ people start believing in neoclassical economics which is something only a severely impaired person could think was reality. This isn’t blind luck. Master directed it.
Same with anthropology, philosophy, psychology, history, geography etc etc
You have to assume our soceity is nearly as directed as communist china. Its just more subtle.
What are your feelings about Austrian economics? Weaponized autism? Academics tend to look upon it dismissively. I had an econ professor in college who was widely regarded as “Austrian” and was even described as such on his Wikipedia page, but when I asked him about it, he was quick to deny any association with the “Austrian school”.
The most interesting economist I’ve come across is one Hyman Minsky, whose research focus has been on credit cycles, and has been categorized as post-Keynesian but is widely respected in a number of heterodox economics circles.
Mysnky is good actually. Hes not austrian. I think Hayek and Mosies and all of them are what people like spelling bee boy above think is good economics.
But autism definitely helps in math for whatever reason. That spelling bee guy will be able to do college math as a young teenager.
Same in programming or the kind of grammer linguistics stuff Kripke and Wittgenstein do.
This guy is an actor I think for various reasons (hes doing a hair transplant, which is what an aspiring actor might do e.g.)
But when Im psychotic, I act very similar to this guy. I laughed when he asked the man what he meant when he grunted. I’ve done that before. Hahaha.
Its amazing though. It describes a bit how I think a which is a topic Anime is fond of navel gazing at. I’ll get a ‘feeling’ about how someone is acting around me. And decide they are either scared, attracted, respectful etc.
That wording they are using is from real patients. Thats exactly what goes on. Im dont hear voices or see things, but I get feelings about people and Im hyper aware in social situations. Or ill take someones behaviour as evidence for the feeling even if its innocuous.
I spent about 2 hours one day on the bus home thinking about this woman at a wedding I was at and her non reaction to the waiters. Only I could create a narrative for that.
But as Im hyper aware, there are things I notice that are real and people dont pay attention to. Like whos attracted to who. Who is likely to cheat. Who is lazy in the office. Whether someone is putting on an act. etc
Lady Diana had also this kind of look.
There was another time I got a feeling about this woman walking through canary wharf. I thought she was there to fuck a guy on his lunchbreak in an affair. So out of curiosity I followed her.
Its curious how I can have these ideas in my head, but also be fairly logical about abstract matters.
There are people much worse than me though. I remember a time in London I was walking down the street obsessing about something and there was a crazy black guy who was openly accusing people walking by of laughing at him. I looked at the guy and I knew he could see in my eyes the same thing. He didnt say anything to me, and harrassed the person after me.
Phis theory of mind… Fails again!
SAD!
Very funny
Lol this is why you have autism and i dont. Look at his reaction to meryl streeps speech. Hes not going to say hos real opinion and still be able to work you fool.
Very aggresive comment Phil.
But its pretty funny when he reminds us of that there are illegal hispanic females dying for our freedoms, just wanted to show you that.
When he said that a pack of socio-economically disadvantaged men could have raped his ex its obvius who he is.
Gman, are you being ironic?
Phil, I think this beats wakanda:
Magic negroes conquer the Latin world! Luckly, Sicilians will be spared.
Afro must be ecstatic!
First it was the levantine,
Then the Hellenistic world,
Then the Romans,
Then the Umayyads,
Then the Normans,
Then the Americans,
And now the Wakandans.
It’s a very clever piece of art in Le Louvre with lots of (dark, magic and biblical) symbolism. It’s very g loaded.
Yeah i noticed the dark horse, but i wasnt sure if it was an reference to biblical stuff.
So thinking mouse is swank all of a sudden?
Thinking mouse suddenly developed non autism in the space of 1 day.
From my old text:
“The autism diagnosis is questionable, me being socially akward or bad at reading social cues might be due to short term effects from an bad environment. I worry that these autistic traits might be permanent or that they were inherited”.
I wonder what the standard of not being autistic is, but there doesnt seem to be one, and that the traits associated with it in excess (to the point to where it affects a persons capacity tp live on ones own and have friends or something like that) is what the diagnosis is. People say they can read eachoder, but not explain what they read, i mean i guess i can see some things, but i dont know the parameters to where the line would go.
Im not Swank, thats ridicolous.
Maybe lyrions madness isn’t so far fetched after all.
Holy shit, that is fucking hilarious.
What was funny?
Thing about Phil is he think I don’t get it.
He look in so many eyes he think he knows people.
He think I can’t look in eyes.
That I say anything I think in ignorance of consequence.
I get feeling from people too, they are just unexpressible, I don’t label them.
The only one I have is, is it safe to say what want without their judgment.
Phil knows who the smart ones are, What does he mean by that “?”
I have an intuition by which I detect “smart people”.
If you know what a wise person is “?”
Few preconceptions, non-reactive.
Rigid vs flexible. mature – immature.
What can and can’t I say because of their judgmentalism.
This is what feelings I get from people.
This goes along with their emotionality.
Phil is not so emotional.
He is judgmental but right on many things.
Sometimes we relate, not always.
I am very timid because of peoples judgmentalism.
Live from Paris, it’s The Day of Music, and its awful. Zillions of untalented people shouting hard on the street. It’s like there killing a sow in front of my apartment now.
Go downstairs and tell them your opinion. Dont tell us, we cant do anything.
Afro, why will china collapse/go to the potty?
Is only aging demographics, jobs moving to other countries as automation developes, environmental damage? or is there more?
I’m not a fortuneteller so I couldn’t tell whether China or any other country with collapse. But China is bound to face huge challenges in the near future. These are indeed related to a population that’s way too old for a country that’s not yet developed, job losses due to automation and competition from lower wages countries, under-developed domestic market, financial bubbles threatening to burst, brain drain, environmental damage, geopolitical hazards, rising contestation of the regime, minority rights, and terrorism to quote just a few issues.
Even if the days of fast Chinese growth are most definitely over, I doubt the country will collapse, China’s prospects aren’t worse than the West’s and the West obviously won’t collapse.
Thinking Mouse is a very subtle troll. Lol. Asking Afro about China hahaha. Good one.
Yeah, China, the country where you invested some money and lost it all. LMAO. How do you manage to still be thinking your opinions have any sort of relevance?
Why is there so little information on right-to-left disadvantage in IQ tests? Why has nobody discussed this? PP should write an article on it. Are IQ tests really culturally unbiased without a right-to-left option? Raven’s includes a top-to-bottom option but not a right-to-left option. Ravens can only be read left-to-right or top-to-bottom.
nobody tests arabs. Its really only americans that care about iq.
I think Americans are smarter than Europeans in general but have no evidence to back that up.
“When I was two years old, my father was murdered. That shaped my entire life. Not long after that, my mum made the decision to leave me and my sister in Jamaica and go to England so she could get her degree and give us a better life. For a few years, we lived with our grandmother in Kingston, and I remember watching the other kids with their mums and just feeling really jealous. I didn’t fully understand what my mum was doing for us. I just knew that she was gone. My grandma was amazing, but everybody wants their mum at that age.
Thank God I had football. I remember when it used to rain, all the kids would run outside and play football in the puddles, just splashing around, having the best time. That’s the image that flashes in my mind when I think about the atmosphere of Jamaica. When it rains, nobody hides inside. You just go out and enjoy it. The other thing I remember is begging my grandmother for money to go and get a grapenut ice cream.”
England jamaican footballer raheem sterling.
As I keep saying and people keep denying, if you grow up in this environment you will be brainwash proof and have tons of testosterone. But you will not be civilised.
Heres a thought experminet.
If you deported all of Switzerlands citizens and replaced them with Ghanas, and didn’t take any money, any infrastructure, or any natural resources, how many years do you think it would take for Switzerland to look like Ghana, and Ghana to become the new Switzerland and Ghanians would illegally immigrate back to Africa?
I was doing a search on two hollywood actresses i have a crush on….kirsten stewart and leighton meester and i found out that they are both born on the exact same day of the year..april 9th.
But why?
”But why?”
because i have a crush on them? Plus i was feeling bored. It is a guy thing?.
Did you really have to ruin it for me by posting that cartoon image of her? *Sigh*…
Did you find it offensive? I posted it here as i wanted to discuss it more. Faces of ones fav actresses.
I wouldnt feel it wrong if women posted similar stuff about men. So i felt my post wouldnt be disliked either.
No you didn’t offend me, I’m just kidding like 99% of the time. I have a dry sense of humor.
Fenoopy,
Fuzzy lips is my favorite hentai. Its the looks and the acceptance from the girl that makes it so great. But when reflecting on its story, its kinda creepy. Though the girl is distracting enough, and the type of nerd predatory sexuality Afro talked about is mainstream in hentai, so i guess your used to it, but its more loving than most hentai,
Her voice is stupid though.
What kind of music do you like?
I’ve never watched any of that stuff, I only see what you can get from a google search. Also I don’t feel comfortable talking about porn preferences or sex in detail.
I listen to nearly all music of any type. Except bad music which is in my opinion objectively bad.
To clarify, I’m not chastising you, I just think there’s a time and place for everything and I think a HBD blog isn’t the time or place to be having in-depth hentai or how you make women scream with your 18 inch black mandingo conversations.
What’s the correlation between the g-loading and heritability of a subtest? I’ve heard it’s negative.
no it’s strongly positive
And blacks tend to score worse at the more heritable tests… wow.
Show source
Read Jensen’s book “The g Factor”. A whole chapter on the heritability of g. Though take the twin studies he cites with a grain of salt.
Phil, what do you think about race mixing? specifically long term, like what the children will be. Is it moral?
What are your views on morality? I bassically view morality as an social construct.
Swank, what are your thoughts on admixture studies?
PP,
Since you banned mugabe, ill have to ask you if you know, maybe swank knows to.
Mugabe used to say that the wilson effect had an very small time-frame and that the heritability of kids only was smaller with kids that where the age of… well thats the question, at what age group did he think that heritability was lower?
RR mode of cognition is seemingly logical. He can follow operations that allow him to take in information and process it according to a procedure. Which is algorithmic in character. Data is manipulated to get a result. This makes his thinking very fast. Logical minds are fast because they follow procedure on the data.
I’m not that fast at working on data for a result (processing)
I do create original ideas from time to time.
But what can be manipulated depends on the way it is manipulated.
(more and faster) or (less but different)
I can’t handle so much data.
I do not have a procedure.
I sit real quiet and contemplate.
Think about the right thing to say not always the correct thing.
I’ve reading quickly Culture of Critic from Kevin McDonald. There is lots of insight. I don’t buy the idea that CoC is done by some Jews for Jewish ethnic interest though.
My explanation is that high verbal IQ and low agreablness and spatial to verbal and numeral IQ below 0.7 (ie 95 spatial with 135 symbolic) makes people extraordinary critical of authority and institutions. Look at Philo ! Lots of far right people are like that : Irving or McDonald himself.
So Jewish are overrepresented in power and money and intellectual because of high symbolic IQ, common culture and recognition, and low agreeableness.
And of course many ideas they develop ressemble them and suit them even if their can be huge backslash (communism)
How those spécificities must be taken into account by the people representing the society interests is another matter. So MCDonald weakens his position by going to far . He could back up very harsh anti-Semitic positions while having a much moderate analysis on Jewish people . It’s a pitty because he did a great work . He lacks the summarizing genious. He should have teamed with a Jewish to develop his theory 😉
My explanation is that high verbal IQ and low agreablness and spatial to verbal and numeral IQ below 0.7 (ie 95 spatial with 135 symbolic) makes people extraordinary critical of authority and institutions
No it’s so obviously ethnic interests.
Jews are not critical of Jewish authority. When’s the last time the NY Times had an editorial criticizing Jewish power? The Jews who run Israel don’t promote immigration or argue Isreali nationalism is racist.
Boycott Desinvestment Sanctions has Jewish leaders. If spoken to Jewish shop assitants, they told me nobody treat them as badly as Jewish.
It’s natural they will turn their critic against others first. But they can’t help it. That s why you find them on both sides of an idea. LoB is another example of ultra critical stance on school, business and society values.
That justifies the same diagnostic and policies as if they were doing it for them without having to make that assumption. It’s good for society to have critics but it can’t be built on critic. That is not a solid ground. In the Middle Age, they would only be expelled from one city, go to another, and come back after 10 years. It was a decentralized way to deal with critic and wealth and power appropriation.
Boycott Desinvestment Sanctions has Jewish leaders.
If jews wanted a boycott of Israel we would see articles up & down the media, segments on CNN etc, not a tiny minority of Jews coopting a fringe movement
Lion is critical of other minorities & liberal elites but blames all elite behavior on SWPLs & gets extremely defensive when jews or Israel are criticized
But i don’t think this is unique to Jews. Any ethnic group that feels threatened is going to use their cultural influence to protect themselves; it’s just that Jews are uniquely good at getting cultural influence.
And to right they are pumpkin! Boy, I wish people would respect their big brains more.
MacDonald said this to me on Twitter: “I am not attempting a predictive theory. It is a theory that can be disconfirmed by showing, e.g., that the movement I describe is not peopled by strongly identified Jews with a sense of Jewish interests.” Wow, so it’s just confirmed by what it was designed to explain!
What a joke.
Have you read philosopher of science Nathan Cofnas’ papers/replies to MacDonald, Bruno?
Here’s his first reply:
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12110-018-9310-x
Thanks RR.
I can’t tell about historical details but it’s doubtful they are important. I have seen lots of Israeli extremely critical about their society (and pro afirmative action wich is crazy because Palestinian is an idea based on jihad) . In Teknion institute, they have one third Arabic people, so they take all the one who score high on Psychometric test.
The strong point of Cofnas is that there is not one ruling-it-all Jewish interest and that McDonald has been cherry picking facts.
The strong point of McDonald is (and between parenthesis what he misses) that Jewish intelligence, character and fraternity makes them 1) being over-represented in the dominant hierarchy of any society they are in (but that is Like an aristocracy, merit among blood) and 2) they develop a culture of critic that can destroy the society they are in (but that s even against their own interest (like the Jewish and Stalin)
Then it’s amusing that the critic is so strong and unfair to Kevin McDonald that he could say to Cofnas, « you have made my point », and when you get a tenure, you ll make it twice.
But I believe Cofnas betrayed Jewish interest by addressing McDonald work in the long run, because he has opened a door … so maybe because of that he won’t get tenured. And he will have illustrated MY point 😉
I have seen lots of Israeli extremely critical about their society
obviously there are not a lot or Israel would have the same immigration/refugee policies as Western countries
And Jews do not appear to be low on agreeableness btw:
http://inductivist.blogspot.com/2011/06/jews-and-big-5-traits.html?m=1