Philosopher Chris Langan was dubbed America’s smartest man by the U.S. media after he correctly answered 47 out of 48 questions on the iconic Mega Test (it’s estimated that only one in 100 million U.S. adults were capable of scoring that high during the years that test was used). Langan’s genius was also confirmed by professional testing arranged by ABC news:
It was further confirmed by him winning $250 K on a TV quiz show, and even by his stratospheric head size:
Recently, a reader kindly informed me of evidence that Langan may have been reading one of my blogs! Back in July 2014 I reported (on my less active blog) that Harvard students scored 128 on an abbreviated version of the WAIS-R which I noted was much lower than their SAT IQ equivalents, and, in the same article, I also estimated that tenured professors average IQ 133.
Thus, I was honored to learn that Langan mentioned in a Quora answer the same obscure Harvard study I publicized in my July 2014 article (along with the comparison to their SAT scores that I had made) along with virtually an identical IQ estimate for tenured professors I had made:

This strongly suggests Langan had read my article, which makes sense since my article was extensively cited by Quora.
So I advise commenters not to say anything too dumb, because you never know when America’s smartest man might be reading!
OMG I MITE CRAP MY PANTS WITH JOY! THE WORLD’S SMARTEST MAN READS THIS BLOG😂
A more interesting question is whether any celebs have posted under psuedonyms. For example in real life i am a jewish banker owner of a 15b fortune who tells most of the top people in the cia what to do.
Just joking.
But its possible famous people have commented.
that’s also a question i ask myself.
if i was famous would i still comment anonymously on blogs and forums ?
possibly.
Of course. Especially on blogs with taboo topics like this.
It’s weird that he has retained something « prolish » even in his writing (the bee, the rock in the head etc). Most smart people I know from blue collar background adopt a upper class at school and there is no way to tell their origins (except among English people who are able to spot geographic and social origin whatever a person does).
Then he admitted scoring 42 first at Mega . Second attempt is not the same . Vos’Savant scores 46 straight . She is also from blue collar origin.
Maybe IQ is a bit of a prolish subject 😉
Most smart people I know from blue collar background adopt a upper class at school and there is no way to tell their origins (except among English people who are able to spot geographic and social origin whatever a person does).
Well, one of the reasons why we admire Chris is that he never forgot where he came from, and he’s not particularly impressed by the upper class.
Then he admitted scoring 42 first at Mega . Second attempt is not the same . Vos’Savant scores 46 straight . She is also from blue collar origin.
Seeing as people can spend years, or even decades taking the Mega Test, I’m not sure whether first or second attempt is a meaningful distinction. It may only imply he sent his answers in prematurely.
It helps you sort out some doubt you may have . But no doubt he is an intelligent guy .
yes. the uk is the most rigidly stratified country in the OECD. france is the smelliest and rudest.
in the US a southern accent is looked down on, except in the south where the thicker your accent the higher your class.
PP for ever confusing the genius concept, even the intelligence concept she already can’t grasp..
Chris Langan’s IQ is 185 (by the chart I saw, 1 in 100 million) but it is difficult to measure intelligence with a specific number at such high levels.
If I knew more math I could understand his CTMU paper. Understanding how cognition works is something I am still thinking about. I do know that in his CTMU that a function contains another function that both contain each other. All states transitions default to consistency, so no paradoxes arise. So an example is that my brain changes but resolves itself via homeostasis. Change happens but my brain reorganizes to settle down. My brain is like a function that contains itself and so is able to complexity in order to resolve inconsistencies. (This is also how Langan describes language)
These concepts are relevant to the creation of software intelligence. I have drawn many designs in my notebooks of hierarchical feedback loops. But I have not figured out yet how the frontal lobes work. I know they are the tip of the attractor network. And I still have not comprehended that fully. What I do know is that the brain changes its connections to better understand the environment. Circuits have nested dependencies. So I guess what happens is that consistency must be resolved by only changing the connections when new information happens. The brain does not change when no new stimuli are experienced. The brain holds the new stimuli until it can be integrated into the cortex and thus become consistent.
Have you ever noticed the way you can read anything and make it about how your brain works animecat? You don’t find that telling about something?
Obsession with a single interest. Focussing on me and my topic making a one-way conversation. Lacking self-knowledge an endlessly working it out. Not taking interest in others. Flat out not listening.
I disagree with the last one. I listen excellently. The neuropsychologist I saw recently said he was surprised how thoughtful I was. But talking to people takes an incredible amount of self-control. I have the problems of thinking what to say when it is my turn to pick the topic. I am good at commenting on the other person’s points. But do not know how to share my ideas without looking like an idiot. I can’t put it all together. This may be an inability to retrieve items from long-term memory.
My brain gets stuck.
Have anxiety and depression.
I can’t cry because I don’t have a shoulder to cry on.
It builds up more and more and I sleep 2 or 3 days.
I told my therapist I hate it when people ask me the reason for my anxiety. It is like asking “why are you hungry”. I don’t fucking know why I am hungry, I just am. I am just anxious. I am just depressed. It happens for no reason. It builds up and stays there a long time.
Anyway, what would you like to talk about Philosopher?
Do you know why my brain might get stuck like it does?
Yes according to this chart, one in a 100 million is a deviation IQ (sigma 15) of 185, and 190 (sigma 16). Not sure why the media reports his IQ as 195.
of course on the old ratio scales, one in a 100 million would be well over 220!
Charles Murray says IQ estimates past 145 attention reliable.
langan has a low IQ.
.I have been trying to develop a theory of thinking. But it is still very basic for now. When i read that chirs has been trying to develop CTMU i thought maybe he would be interested in this concept. A mini CTMT if i can call this. I wish he develop this concept furthur. I strongly feel the concept although very basic for now, has potential. I tried mailing chris.
The concept is currently laid out in points, but smaller concepts in later points are built on earlier points. It is also non-technical and so not based on software code. But i think if the concept is developed furthur it can be modified in some ways to fit into current or future A.I methods.
PP, I am posting it here because i think chris may read this article 🙂
I know it is off-topic but i cant find a better place to post this in order for this to reach him. So please dont delete this post PP:)
A) https://justpaste.it/1djo4 B)https://justpaste.it/1dx2n
It’s not off-topic at all.
Hello chris,
If you read this, please have a look into it 🙂
I never say anything dumb. Notice the way chris agrees with me aboit trump. I will keep tepeating it: trump is pretending to be stupid. Watch a video of him in the 80s and now. Nobodys iq drops that much and makes them president. Its ridiculous.
Notice the way chris agrees with me aboit trump.
Yes I did notice that.
I will keep tepeating it: trump is pretending to be stupid. Watch a video of him in the 80s and now. Nobodys iq drops that much and makes them president. Its ridiculous.
Well his IQ might not have dropped that much because professional IQ tests are adjusted for age, and almost everyone gets dumber after 70. He might be dumbing down his speaking style for political reasons, but you’d expect the occasional complex sentence to sneak out by accident. And intelligence is complex; some brain functions decline while others can stay extremely sharp.
grammatically complex sentences should usually be two or three sentences. trump get this.
chris langan seems socially intelligent. weird for such a high IQ. we would expect a more terence tao like personality type.
Hilary did the same thing. She pretended to have a modwesterner accent when actually her natural accent has a more southern twinge. Theres a video of her speaking full southerner. Unlike trump hilary is a dead vert psychopath prone to rage fits and [redacted by pp, Nov 30, 2017].
You see in business [redacted by pp, Nov 30, 2017], the person willing to hire a blackmailer wins. You see [redacted by pp, Nov 30, 2017].? Its not about better products retardo bertarian. Ita about the baksheesh. Yes?
I hope Langan didnt read RRs guest posts. They are embarrassing.
Jesus, do you still have the haitians guest posts up? Hope you deleted those!
“I hope Langan didnt read RRs guest posts. They are embarrassing.”
How? Why? Quotations? Can you do better?
fuggedaboutit!
i think it’s a good thing we have rr commenting here as long as he stays respectful.
it’s good to have diverse points of view confronting each other.
On the other hand, my schizophrenic rants from last year stand the test of time and in fact, are even more true today than they were when posted them.
I like your schizoid concept’of truth (being even truer )
The Philo
Ps : what made me smile in this post , is that Langan was explaining his not being rich because of genius not correlating with money in the video, and then, many years later, on the (almost exact if you consider tenuous as a non discrete trait) opposite statement, he infered intelligence of Trump from his success . And more telling , it’s the strategic bankruptcy he admires the most . Langan relation with money must be something
He talk implicitly about ”multiple” intelligence mode, 😉
Id Like to discuss his CTMU Theory with him. This is probably asking too much, anytime anyone has asked for him to elaborate on his theories(scientists and quora users alike) he has beat around the bush and ad “hominemed “them to death. Apparently anyone who thinks his ideas are nonsensical, or need clearer details, are only “pretending to not understand”.
What’s this theory entail?
“”I believe in the theory of evolution, but I believe as well in the allegorical truth of creation theory. In other words, I believe that evolution, including the principle of natural selection, is one of the tools used by God to create mankind. …”
Catholics believe this too. This is not probable. Even” the smartest man in America” is immune to belief in this.
It’s basically Pantheism which he attempts to prove using Quantum Mechanics and philosophy.
“Reality is a language that is talking to itself about itself”.
Here’s a simple interpretation, and then here is the actual paper by Chris.
View at Medium.com
Click to access Langan_CTMU_092902.pdf
I have always been a pantheist. I think the smartest people will come to it to be honest. Einstein also the same. “I believe in spinozas god”
Langan’s an example of why i feel it’s so important to distinguish emotion from cognition
We know he has the cognitive ability to know whether or not theism is logical, but we don’t know if he has the emotional objectivity
Even the smartest people can be blinded by emotional weakness. Not saying Langan is nessecarily blinded since i know nothing about philosophy.
Theism is logical. Logical arguments prove as much.
Are you talking about that fact/value distinction bullshit that the pomos are always harping on about?
No I’m talking about logical arguments for the existence of God.
“We know he has the cognitive ability to know whether or not theism is logical, but we don’t know if he has the emotional objectivity”
You’re implying Theism is Illogical. Not that I disagree, I’m just wondering what this logic is.
Also I’m going to have the guest post done either tonight or 2maro Should I email you it or just post it as a comment?
Whatever’s easier but if you post it as a comment, be sure to write GUEST ARTICLE so i know that’s what it is.
I’m out of town for much of the weekend so I’ll publish it on Monday at the very latest. I like to be on my desk top computer when I publish articles & i won’t have access to that for a couple days
In the meantime try not to publicly discuss the content of the article too much anywhere
As for theism, i don’t see how one can claim the universe was intentionally created but maybe Langan figured out a way that is too abstract for even most physicists to grasp
Ladies and gentlemen, may I present the best atheist argument in the world, the problem of non-god objects, as articulated by Justin Schieber. For the edification of RaceRealist, meLo, and anyone who thinks theism is logical.
“As for theism, i don’t see how one can claim the universe was intentionally created but maybe Langan figured out a way that is too abstract for even most physicists to grasp”
It seem subjective maybe he is not the best example for these kinds of arguments, especially when we don’t fully understand all the fields he was supposedly covering.
“Whatever’s easier but if you post it as a comment, be sure to write GUEST ARTICLE so i know that’s what it is.”
I’d prefer email, what’s yours?
My email’s in the contact section of the blog. It is:
EASIESTQUESTION@HOTMAIL.CA
We are extrapolating human intelligence to Universe as our image and similarity believing that INTENTIONALITY is, primordially or fundamentally, a human foundation, while intentionality IS firstly a universal foundation and without the necessity of a BEING-GOD or a HUMAN-GOD as its creator.
Thank you.
I believe make more sense to think that the same structural mechanisms which forged life may CAUSED the universe[s], make more sense than to believe in a BEING or HUMAN-GOD.
I came across a reddit thread on r/ctmu that claimed that a declassified Cia document lends credence to the theory. I don’t know a thing about it so I’m not debating it.
Click to access CIA-RDP96-00792R000400330013-4.pdf
I understand the philosophical parts but I don’t really know shit about physics.
why do you have two blogs peepee?
The original plan was for this blog to be about horror & the other blog about Behavioral genetics & psychometrics but i realized 2 blogs wasn’t practical so i no longer post on the other one
So what is “America’s smartest man’s” job title?
He’s a Bouncer. I think.
So not a cognitively demanding job.
No, not really.
He may at one point had wanted to be a professor or something similar.
Obviously wanting and accomplishing are two different things. I wanted to be a weatherman when I was a kid. But my career now is totally different.
“Obviously wanting and accomplishing are two different things.”
Indeed, but I don’t know the entirety of his theory so I can’t really say whether it’s due to his incompetence or his pride.
“I wanted to be a weatherman when I was a kid. But my career now is totally different.”
That’s crazy(in an interesting way), when I was a in kindergarten I wanted to be a paleontologist.
“Indeed, but I don’t know the entirety of his theory so I can’t really say whether it’s due to his incompetence or his pride.”
I think most philosophy is just intellectual masturbation. Though I love philosophy of science and philosophy of biology. (Speaking of philosophy, I’m currently replying to you in the other thread re cells and consciousness. Should we use a philosophical definition?)
“That’s crazy(in an interesting way), when I was a in kindergarten I wanted to be a paleontologist.”
I jumped all around on what I wanted to do before I started lifting at age 20. Then I got into exercise physiology and nutrition and haven’t looked back since.
when i was a kid i wanted to be a mafioso, but i wasn’t italian.
That’s okay you could just be Robert Duvall or ray liota
Perhaps just a quibble, but I saw this article recently with its observations about the lack of reliably straightforward correlation between brain size neuronal count/density (and thus, intelligence) between different animal species, and since you mentioned brain size again in this article, I felt you ought to see this https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/11/171129131341.htm
pardon me, I meant “between brain size AND neuronal count/density”
Herculano-Houzel vindicated once again.
Here’s the abstract.
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fnana.2017.00118/abstract
I’ll try to find the paper later.
Speaking of Herculano, did you see my comment about her studies on your blog a while back?
Yes. I need time to read into novel data which is why I wait to respond so I can read into it. (crunch time right now. I shouldn’t even be commenting on blogs I should be studying my ass off). I’ll deal with the novel stuff by Christmas.
Cool, I’ll be waiting.
i’d like to believe that langan has a high IQ. i’d like to believe all those profiled in that Esquire article had high IQs. i was a subscriber to Esquire when that article came out.
and this is why it was such a popular article. lots of people would like to believe that there are very smart people in very undistinguished occupations.
but langan has a ‘tache.
You think you have a high IQ despite your occupation
did is say there weren’t people like langan claims to be?
no. i did not say that. and i’m not a bouncer who lives next to a garbage dump on $6,000 a year peepee.
He lives on a beautiful ranch with a brilliant & beautiful Italian wife.
For someone raised in extreme poverty & abuse, he’s done fine. Many people from his background would have ended up homeless on a park bench
but more importantly i shave.
and when i have ever claimed to have an IQ of 190?
there are no such IQs.
My email to you has been sent, Pumpkin Person.
Yes, I’ll reply later
I just received a package containing the 42-page report of my neuropsychological evaluation. I will need to discuss it with my therapist but I found the salient parts to share. First is that it is very unlikely I am an Aspie. Second, my IQ is 109 (106 adjusted for flynn effect). I think I now know why my brain gets stuck all the time. Working memory is 92 and Processing speed is slow as a brick (86). Either ian smith or Philosopher said that Processing speed is for doers and verbal is for leaders. My verbal it high average but I am still disappointed that I cannot mentally manipulate thoughts. I wish I had visual thought.
Eighth, on a qualitative level, Animekitty’s presentation with me was somewhat off: limited use of tone of voice to enhance communication (aprosodia): he took a long time to make a point (circumstantiality): his use of gestures and facial expression to enhance communication was limited: and his thought process seemed slower (bradyphrenia). Might this be an indication of a mental disorder like Asperger’s? Maybe. But it also could easily be linked with his medications. Therefore, I am hesitant to place diagnostic weight behind symptoms that could be caused by medications.
Seventh, if Animekitty’s IQ is not the problem, then what is? One possibility suggested by Animekitty’s online friends is that he has Asperger’s syndrome, which-arguably-is now called Social Pragmatic Communications Disorder in the DSM-5. To help measure problems with social skills, I gave Animekitty several tests of social cognition, the results of which are contained on page 15. Briefly, Animekitty scored fine. This is important because it argues against flagrant problems with social cognition, which is at the core of a diagnosis like Asperger’s or Social Pragmatic Communications Disorder.
your obviously some combination of schitzo and autistic. Congrats you deebunked pumpkins male \ female brain theory.
Mike don’t understand this…
Concept of day:
COMORBIDITY
Did you tell him you have no imagination and cant dream?
Who said I can’t dream? I do dream.
I did not tell him I lack visual thought.
Do you can dream [you mean, imagine] a big black penis in your head*
Can you dream a dream*
Hes an autistic person who was driveb to psychosis through stress
Are you saying that I do not communicate pragmatically in social settings?
(Social Pragmatic Communications Disorder.)
I know you believe that Naivety is the biggest maker of aspies. That their understanding of people is extremely low. (low social intelligence).
My social intelligence is average to above average.
I can recognize others emotions and motivations.
I know how to be pragmatic about then.
I used to be naive, but I was never autistic, at all.
This blog was almost like losing my virginity, making me less naive.
OK just kidding..
Psychotics tend to be paradoxically naive too. In both cases, social navigation to PLAY the subjective social game is differently but impaired. In other words, they have a disorder to play… another disorder which is the social human world … or lack of precision.
Most autistics, maybe, have hard time to differentiate colleagues, known and friends. This can make them more vulnerable to be cheated by other people OR to self-cheated believing that most people are their friends.
In this aspect average neurotypical women outperform everyone even because in female social world the direct or mortal competitions are rare or even uncharacteristic.
Women are great to play their social game as well men are to play their own, but i thought if a male social world is not much more dangerous.
You should have told the psy about your lack of imagination. I saw some items for working memory and processing speed and they were all about remembering an image and then answering questions about it . Most test measure it by digit span (reverse order and ranking them) and it’s a better indicator of what those abilities are for. All studies show that even for images , their coded via a verbal buffer.
Your constant rumination about your problems – wich is anti-asperger – eats working memory and processing speed. It is what happens to schizo.
Your IQ is fine . Start thinking about something else you could do. You should work .
Having no images doesn’t handicap your perceptual reasoning wich is fine , the same as verbal. Forget about those other measure that doesn’t work for you, your IQ is top 10% , you could feet in any university .
120?
Got an IQ of 125 when I was 12.
Sure I could do university stuff. In spring 2017 I went to on semesters of free basics at the community college. I had to stop halfway because my brother interfered with my mom taking me. I also felt too tired to do most work in class. I have chronic fatigue. Even now I feel like I have no energy. Mental effort is harder when you lose willpower. Too many negative emotions to try learning new stuff. I read a passage at least 20 pages long but now I can’t do it. I feel sleep deprived when I slept just 8 hours, can’t read. And then a few days later I am fine and can read again.
Bruno said: “Your constant rumination about your problems – wich is anti-asperger – eats working memory and processing speed. It is what happens to schizo.”
Bipolar is when you have lots of energy and then low energy. I felt sick sometimes in the classroom of the free classes. I am too depressed to do much of anything. I deteriorated from failing all the time and not having positive feedback from my environment. I feel very depressed not having things to do at my intellectual level because negative emotions and lack of opportunities to not fail so much.
you score low in coding and digit span.
imho low scores in these area could simply be related to stress and anxiety.
Accumulated stress and anxiety.
Intellectual and social Depravation.
I’m sick of having nothing to do.
I am not creative in the right way to be successful.
Everything I do fails.
have ANY of these people like langan ever produced hard evidence of their IQ?
if they have, i haven’t seen it.
It’s like this Evangelos Katsioulis guy who have an IQ of 198.
These people from high IQ societies seems rather trained at taking IQ tests rather than really smart.
Otherwise it would mean than members of high IQ societies are really the smartest people in the world, which is laughable.
The Mega Test is only a rough measure of intelligence, but since it was virtually the only high level measure there was, Langan can claim to have the highest measured intelligence in America
IQ is clearly a generalistic tests.
This explain why some or many prodigious people, namely in artistic department, no have a super higher IQ.
IQ is fundamentally
[superficial] general knowledge
verbal/mathematic knowledge
Would be interesting if there is a specialist version of generalistic cognitive tests, aka, IQ.
Entire debate between ”multiple” ”intelligences [diversable combinations of individual profiles] and IQ//G can be easily solved by this misunderstanding of very-generalistic IQ nature.
Esquire remarked that it took a high IQ to live on $6,000 on long island.
but langan has to give some proof other than a hoeflin test.
Esquire then went on to profile Guth. they were sort of making fun of the hiQ crowd.
The Mega Test is the hardest test there is.
Titan test is the same . It looks Langan aced it , but other highest scorer from Mega didn’t take it . They correlates well, because the conceptor is the same person I believe :
http://miyaguchi.4sigma.org/hoeflin/titan/titanorm.html
i think some sokoban puzzles are pretty hard.
Langan seems smart but 185 ? It would make him one of the smartest person in the world. How does his 185 IQ show up ? What is he doing with it than 130, 145 and 160 IQ persons can’t do ?
How does the Mega Test was created ? How do they estimated an IQ of 185 from his score ? Is it as reliable as the WAIS ?
It’s not nearly as g loaded as the WAIS overall, but might be a lot more g loaded for people above 150 IQ because it includes so many super hard questions.
They can estimate a 185 IQ from his score because people who’ve taken the mega test reported their scores on other tests like SAT so they could get a feel for how hard the Mega Test is compared to the old SAT
Like a cow in front of a computer. Excuse my french 🙂
Bruno I removed/didn’t post your recent comments because they could further compromise the validity of the Hoeflin tests, which would be a tragedy because you’d be destroying Ron Hoeflin’s life’s work.
I understand Pumpkin . You re a more sensible person than I am. You know I don’t intend to do bad or harm anybody . Nature gave me the ability to solve all this problems without effort , but as the same time I can be brutal without wanting it .
Thanks. You did the right thing . You are a good person .
”I understand Pumpkin . You re a more sensible person than I am.”
Bruno,
Are you a psychopath**
I would be the last to know 🙂
In that matter, I believe Pumpkin is right one should contribute to give away the answers to the Titan test because it would kill this unique tool . So Ishoule have know better . In fact , in one of my comments I told Pumpkin to evaluate the opportunity of posting it himself .
and trump’s business success has not been that great or real.
if he had invested his inheritance in a mutual fund he’d’ve done better.
and his business success has just been self-promotion after trump tower. trump tower was a success.
i think trump’s intelligence is not the kind measured well by IQ tests, but trump is not stupid. i’m sure he’s above average. not as smart as nixon, bill clinton, hillary clinton, or obama in IQ terms. smarter in other ways.
I think Trump was in the top 5% of his age group cognitively 25 years ago, but his age group has since declined and I think Trump declined even faster. Both Clintons have also declined, especially Bill.
This is what I mean by lack of social intelligence.
Yes, on your part.
Keep thinking that.
We do keep thinking that
if what langan says about his childhood is true then that would explain the muscles and moustache. he has a chip on his shoulder.
given the success of the klitschko brothers and fedor and internationals in the nba one wonders how much of the black advantage in sports is just desperation, no other way.
many blacks object to the idea that blacks are superior athletes, because they think “superior athlete” is code for “intellectually inferior”.
and there is discrimination in the nba and the nfl against white american players. the shibboleth for this is “athleticism”. nba scouts claim whites can’t play defense. corner back and safety…whites are never considered.
I enjoyed watching the newest (and very black) heavyweight Champion of the World Anthony Joshua dominate and make this reporter cry. Skip to 1:50:
Boxing is about to get very African and exciting again!
but just by proportions blacks should faster and jump higher on average. and whites and ne asians should be better at swimming. it’s all because of allen’s rule.
but then arabs and indians should be fast and jump high according to allen’s rule.
in swimming the freakishly long torso seems to be a yuge advantage.
Paula Abdul: Its getting annoying. I mean, if I wanted to see someone with no hope of entertaining anybody, I would get up there myself.
[Cut to a torso of a man wearing a turban singing an unrecognizable song]
Torso Contestant: On the wings of love and above the clouds the only place to fly-y-y-y….
Simon Cowell: You’re a torso.
Torso Contestant: You’re a torso!
Simon Cowell: You’re not an idol.
Paula Abdul: Darling, you don’t have a lower body.
Torso Contestant: You don’t have a lower body!
Whites are taller and more muscular than Asians.
As Blacks are taller and more muscular than Arabs and Indians.
It explains a lot.
Blacks aren’t stronger than Whites.
And you have reading comprehension issues.
I never said you said that. You have issues with logic fallacies and getting emotional.
Sure. You are answering to my comment but yet not discussing anything I said. Brilliant.
Brilliant. That’s what follows next. I am adding to it. Surely you understand that
you’re a torso!
”Blacks aren’t stronger than Whites.”
You mean ”on avg” right*
“You mean ”on avg” right*”
Of course. That goes without saying.
akarlin says northern europeans and slavs are the strongest while south asians are the weakest.
what is the racial hierarchy of strength ?
an upper class southern accent.
what’s erdogan’s ERA?
SJWs say: because discrimination.
libertarians say: because stalin.
cucks say: because discrimination AND stalin.
i love italians.
they aren’t white trash!
even when they are!
…we used to rule you fucktards!…
http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/the-sinatra-group/n10008?snl=1
…stay off o’ this stuff…that’s the curse o’ you people!
A man who has not been in Italy, is always conscious of an inferiority, from his not having seen what it is expected a man should see.
it wasn’t just studio tricks.
sinatra was a heldentenor pop singer. the ONLY one. and a very good actor too.
People that take IQ tests like the WAIS don’t train for it. While all these people who took high IQ societies tests seems to be adept of IQ tests.
May be these high IQ tests not only mesurate intelligence but also how one is knowledgeable of IQ tests.
It’s only people who have a deep interest in these tests who generally take them.
There are probably a lot of real very high IQs out there who never heard of the Mega Test.
Bruno would know better than I, but the Mega Test requires very general skills so it’s hard to train for it because they seem like the kind of skills most smart educated folks have been trained in their whole lives (verbal and mathematical understanding) . Also, because there’s no time limit, and people usually spend months taking the test, training is kind of part of the test.
Chris Langan argued that the Mega Test is so different from a typical IQ test (which is done supervised in a few hours) that they should be called IEQ tests, not IQ tests.
My sense is that scoring high on the Mega Test is somewhat equivalent to getting the top grade in both a Harvard math class and a Harvard Law class. Technically not an IQ score because it takes months to do, but still a very g loaded achievement that only one in a million people can perform.
“IEQ tests”
What’s the “E” mean?
Efficacy i think.
How’s your article coming along?
Sorry, itll be done tomorrow night. I was going to finish it last night but my friends wanted me to do drugs with them, which was a high priority at the time.
Take as long as you want. I was only expecting it cause you said it was almost done.
Well I figured since you couldn’t do anything til Monday I’m at as well chill out. Either way I’ll send it soon.
I sent it.
I get what you are saying but those who score high on it could simply be those who took more time and energy to resolve the problems.
My essay, the one I told you about, is going to take a lot longer to complete than I originally thought, due to the sheer amount of information that needs to be amassed. 11,300 words so far. Perhaps we could talk about some of the details privately? I am not an academic, nor do I pretend to be, and there are many people who would look down at me, I have no doubt. I’ve had four different HBD bigwigs block me on twitter, just for asking them questions. I am starting to lose respect for them.
Feel free to email me Simon
I would but my email account is so jammed full of bloody pop-up ads that it crashes every time I try to log in. Annoys the fuck outta me. Keep checking your inbox over the next few days, hopefully I’ll get a message sent to you.
[redacted by pp, Dec 2, 2017]
Mega , Titan etc are very heavy on « renaissance men culture » consisting of classics, a bit of philosophy and for math, simple math puzzle and numerical obsessions . It never uses complex law, cognitive science or math . It is really basic like the knowledge from someone with a boarding school education in the 50ies . On top of that , you need being very precise . So there is a bit of sharpness.
[redacted by pp, dec 2, 2017]
Bruno, I had to avert my eyes while editing because I may want to take the Hoeflin tests some day
Oh it’s very honest . You can also try the ultra test with the Titan . It would be a good experiment because as your WAIS is 136 if I remember , you should have 8 in the Titan and 12 in Mega . But I’m sure you ll do much more . I ve done one difficult spatial of the Mega (the ant). The other one are the same principle but with a lot of boring calcul (dodecahedron, I didn’t do but it is straightforward). I should try to program again to do it . I ve noticed that I like puzzle iff I Find them in less than 3 minutes except if there interesting and I can stay up to 10 minutes . Else for me it is like a joke I would need that time to understand , the humour is gone . That s why I never been a nerd . I have a big appetite for learning but not for crunching small problems . However , while doing it since yesterday (I ve spent 150 minutes I would say) it became a bit more interesting. I think the data that say Titan is a bit more difficult until 33 answers than Mega (155 IQ with sd15) and a bit easier afterwards is true .
I wrote the following quite a few years ago. In retrospect, it appears to have been my attempt at justifying a satisfying outcome on the Mega Test. Over the years, my interest as to whether my contentions were valid has all but evaporated. I took a broad step away from my IQ fixation, one that allowed me to become “available”, freed for pursuits that once, and again, mattered. That’s not to say that I’ve no interest in matters IQ; I still enjoy reading of the laser-minded Chris Langan et al.
“Power tests are often criticized as being mere gauges of persistence, reflecting one’s personality rather than intellect. Without question such tests require an extremely tenaciousness bent to render a “successful” outcome, thus it is not unreasonable to characterize the type as tests of persistence. I would take things a bit further, however, and posit that they are, in large part, tests of the ability to persist – to sustain attention and manifest an assiduousness that is unhampered by, what for most would be, the dulling and mind-locking influence of protracted and unanswered (or dead-ended) exertion and review, rendering difficult problems too blunt and hazy to engage the attention, too insipid to engage the interest. The ability to persist is not merely a matter of personality; it is one of intellectual capacity as well. I suspect that if we probe a bit deeper, we would find that the line between personality and intellect is unwarrantedly well defined.”
“I suspect that if we probe a bit deeper, we would find that the line between personality and intellect is unwarrantedly well defined.”
I bet if me and Chris were given a survey on things we would agree on 90% of things. Not saying I’m the smartest man in the world, but I am definitely more right about most things than not. I said this exact same thing a few months ago on this blog.
the above quote is merely saying that the line separating personality & intellect can not be drawn as easily as we think; it’s not denying there is a line like you did.
The difference between you & the truly brilliant is subtlety. You have none. All your arguments get taken to the extreme.
Back me up on this Chris.
Intellect itself, based on big five conceptualizations, would mean: intrinsic engagement on intellectual-like stuff BUT not in quality. So, it’s correct to say that most leftists and + 110 IQ-people are highly intelectually engaged BUT not that they are in highly/and constantly qualitative mode/mood.
Most + ”110” IQ-people, seems, tend to be, more or less, cheated by their own abstractive-appeal and most neo-leftists are chronically affected by this enchantment.
Indeed, despite their strong trends to deviant phenotypes, most neo-leftists look like normative people trying to understand scientific/philosophical/high-quality-artistic material. It’s not a coincidence that their levels of statistical understanding is at the same than .. our mothers…
I believe deviant phenotypes IN less-self-awared people tend to have very depressive conclusive outcomes. What make avg joeys more perceptive about self-obvious things is their own normative natures. It’s easier to Tribbiani tribes to accept the biological nature or basis for human sexual differences because they are just analysing and reflecting themselves, the typical way to any living being to interact and understand their particular reality. In other hand a academic homossexual normie will have a hard time to understand this obvieties any regular or ordinary people can understand ”intuitively”… A normie heterossexual man can understand biological differences firstly because he is heterossexual, via self-reflectance while a normie homossexual man will have a assymmetry between their own self-mirroring and sorrounds.
what’s your IQ bruno ? seems very high.
Is RR a troll ? He can’t understand simple comments. How could he understand all the scientific studies he cites ?
Anyone who disagrees with me is a troll.
I never implied you said blacks are stronger. I was adding something. The logical fallacies you use shows what type of knowledge you have of the human body: none.
I understand everything I cite. I screwed up one time admittedly but people make mistakes and no one is perfect. Keep with the logical fallacies because that shows a lot about you.
Read this article and check my sources and tell me I don’t know what Tim talking about. Critique my reasoning in this piece. Put up or shut up.
You are attacking a straw man. I already answered you on the point I wanted to. The rest does not concern me.
Just get over it. I’m tired trying to debate with persons who have ego problems.
No I’m not. And I countered your point that the causation doesn’t run the way you think it does. It’s tiring debating someone who doesn’t have biology knowledge.
I never talked about causation. Try again.
“Is RR a troll ? He can’t understand simple comments. How could he understand all the scientific studies he cites?”
BINGO!
Incorrect. Again, you’re more then welcome to show this is the case.
He is a self-troll.
Implying a link between 2 variables =/= implying a causation.
RR doesn’t know that.
What is the causation then? Please enlighten me. Don’t give me your skirt-around answers either, tell me which way causation runs and provide citations.
Did you read the Miles Mathis link or not? Please don’t keep me waiting.
What do you mean by what is the causation ? It’s really hard to follow you. I perfectly get how things are explained in the studies and articles but when you start to talk everything become so incomprehensible.
May be you don’t know and understand everything.
Let me reformulate my ideas and then tell me what’s exactly wrong in it. With evidences.
Chimps being more aggressive and violent than Bonobos appear to be link with T.
The most violent prisoners have higher T than their less violent counterparts.
But, as you said, there is only a small link between violence and T in the general population.
Hence my theory of T being related to dominance seeking. And to violence in environment where violence is the most common way of asserting dominance. Like in the wild. Or in prisons. In a civilised society there are more subtle way of asserting dominance hence the smaller correlation. But the correlation is still there, as small as it is.
Too long didn’t read: testosterone doesn’t necessarily lead to violent outcomes; dominance contests brought on by the increase in testosterone don’t always lead to murder (which be real here is what most of the individuals that Dabbs et al studied did); though, I’ll stop beating around the bush here: I agree that there is a small correlation, I agree that it could sometimes lead to serious violent behavior (with the right environmental stimulus, of course), however what I will not admit is that, a majority of the time that this relationship will hold.
“What do you mean by what is the causation ?”
Which way does causation run: heightened testosterone > aggression > violence or aggression > heightened testosterone > dominance > possibility (not necessarily, as I have written myself in the past) of violence.
“Chimps being more aggressive and violent than Bonobos appear to be link with T.”
I don’t use animal studies. They’re good for future research, but to use them as evidence for causation in humans doesn’t make sense. (Please don’t say ‘humans are animals’ I know that and you know what I mean.)
“The most violent prisoners have higher T than their less violent counterparts.”
Does being a violent criminal raise testosterone or are violent people more likely to have high testosterone? Dabbs never untangles this; he just showed a correlation, which is small as evidenced by my other citations.
“Hence my theory of T being related to dominance seeking.”
It’s not your theory.
And I’ve never contested this. I’ve stated this numerous times myself.
“And to violence in environment where violence is the most common way of asserting dominance.”
Other animals assert dominance violently but we, necessarily, do not.
Mazur (2006) states that dominance contests rarely escalate to murder. Mazur also states that dominance contests also lead to increased T for the winners and decreased T for the losers, and these contests also don’t necessarily lead to murder/violent behavior. There is a feedback loop with high T causing behavior and behavior causing high T.
Click to access 10.1080%4019485565.2006.9989114.pdf
It’s worth noting that Mazur seems to advocate for ‘testosterone-depressing drugs’. He concludes:
There are strong linkages between macro-level culture and the physiology of
individuals. We may find solutions to some of our social problems by altering these linkage.
Macro-level culture being white culture, black culture, Asian culture, etc.
The physiological differences are due to the preparation for dominance contests. So, his hypothesis goes, the culture of domiance among young black men with no education is why their T is so high. That low education was also associated with low education lends credence to the claim that this is changeable.
However, in his newer article on education, low testosterone and blacks he advocates for more sensible solutions (attempting an environmental change). I don’t know about you but I have big problems with using FDA/Big Pharma drugs to ‘reduce societal problems’, and it seems that Mazur has changed his view there:
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fsoc.2016.00001/full
The correlation is there, I agree. let’s take the middle value of .11 between Archer (2005 at .08) and Book et al (2001 at .14). So testosterone explains 3 percent of the the relationship with aggression. Not high at all.
Mazur also states in the abstract:
… raising the likelihood that they will engage in dominance competition, which in turn raises the likelihood of a violent, even fatal, outcome.
“In a civilised society there are more subtle way of asserting dominance hence the smaller correlation”
And I’ve shown that the Yanomami with an extremely high murder rate with nowhere near a modern society have T levels on the lower end of our range. So….. The Yanomami example is direct evidence against your assertion. It takes on piece of evidence to falsify a claim.
Most dominance contests do not end violently in the first-world, there is numerous evidence to attest to this fact. So with the low correlation between testosterone and aggression, along with dominance contests rarely ending in murder/violent crime, then there are way more factors influencing these phenomena.
So the feedback loop goes: Testosterone rises in expectation of a challenge which then, after the dominance contest (which doesn’t always necessarily lead to violence), it affects both individuals differently depending on whether or not they won or lost that dominance contest and these values then persist over time if the dominance contests continuously end up the same.
Excuse my behavior in my other comments. I’ve just had these conversations numerous times and even used to believe it but have changed my views. Also please keep everything to one comment thread. Responding to multiple comments is exhausting, I’d much rather respond to only one. Thank you.
Furthermore if it were true that testosterone caused violence and aggressive behavior then people administered supraphysiologic doses of the hormone would then report more aggressive behavior and outbursts, which they did not as cited by Batrinos 2012. So there’s clearly more at play here when it comes to violence and aggressive behavior.
That’s how I think it works too. High T causing behaviour and behaviour causing high T.
Honestly, I don’t really see where you have debunk anything I said. What’s you bring up is interesting but is not really contradictory with my claims. May be you misinterpret a bit what I said.
“And I’ve shown that the Yanomami with an extremely high murder rate with nowhere near a modern society have T levels on the lower end of our range. So….. The Yanomami example is direct evidence against your assertion. It takes on piece of evidence to falsify a claim.”
Do the most violent Yanomamis have more T than their less violent counterparts ? If that’s not the case then it’s interesting and go against what I have said. But if it’s only this ethnic group as a whole having low T I don’t see how it debunk anything.
“It’s not your theory.”
You take things far too literally.
Maybe higher rates of pathogenic interactions have reduced Yanomami T levels. In the end, what seems matter most about T and hormones in general is their responsivity or sensitivity to stimuli and not necessarily T levels. Other possibility is that it’s complicated compared as equals pre-agriculturalists with post-agriculturalists… Another thing is that yanomani men may be more violent than women and it’s very likely they will have higher T levels than women.
“Honestly, I don’t really see where you have debunk anything I said. What’s you bring up is interesting but is not really contradictory with my claims. May be you misinterpret a bit what I said.”
Read it again. I didn’t type all that for nothing. Sick of wasting my time writing books for you with no reaction.
“Do the most violent Yanomamis have more T than their less violent counterparts ? If that’s not the case then it’s interesting and go against what I have said. But if it’s only this ethnic group as a whole having low T I don’t see how it debunk anything.”
1) you’re making the positive claim so the burden of proof is on you to prove it and 2) I provided enough evidence for my assertion on the Yanomami.
Yes you didn’t debunked anything I said. You hide your lack of precise argumentation with tons of citations and repeating over and over the same thing which as nothing to do with my claims.
Also it’s bioavailable T that matter. So Yanomamis low overall T levels doesn’t mean shit.
I don’t ask you to write a book. Simply to show me a+b how I’m wrong. It doesn’t interest me seeing your copy paste of studies I have already read.
“Other possibility is that it’s complicated compared as equals pre-agriculturalists with post-agriculturalists…”
RR is comparing apples and oranges.
“Yes you didn’t debunked anything I said. You hide your lack of precise argumentation with tons of citations and repeating over and over the same thing which as nothing to do with my claims.”
Yes I did. You just don’t understand what I’m saying. I don’t ‘hide’ anything. It’s easy to make shitty assertions; much harder to prove your positive claim (which you won’t do).
“Also it’s bioavailable T that matter. So Yanomamis low overall T levels doesn’t mean shit.”
OK so assuming a SHGB value of 1 nMol//L, then they have 393 ng/dl bioavailable testosterone. Can you explain to me what this means and why that would make them much more violent?
Remember, you made the positive claim so the burden of proof is on you to prove it.
“I don’t ask you to write a book. Simply to show me a+b how I’m wrong. It doesn’t interest me seeing your copy paste of studies I have already read.”
You didn’t read them and you obviously don’t know how discussions go if you have a problem with me copy and pasting relevant parts of the discussion in the paper.
“RR is comparing apples and oranges.”
Still a meaningful comparison.
” Another thing is that yanomani men may be more violent than women and it’s very likely they will have higher T levels than women”
That goes without saying but that doesn’t mean that the testosterone is *the cause* of this violence.
Lyrion, I advise you to read up on some biology. Because your assumptions are wrong. I’ve proven this numerous times. You’re just 1) stubborn and 2) know nothing about biology.
“Lyrion, I advise you to read up on some biology. Because your assumptions are wrong. I’ve proven this numerous times. You’re just 1) stubborn and 2) know nothing about biology.”
I’m pointing out a link between T and violence in some conditions. Do you deny the link ?
“I’m pointing out a link between T and violence in some conditions. Do you deny the link ?”
This is a dumb question. No I don’t. But I’m telling you which way causality runs. I don’t care if you’re not talking about causality. Because which way causality runs matters and I’ve proven it.
here’s the deal.
tax policy should benefit everyone. or almost everyone.
but it seems to me a lot of the supply side people don’t actually believe that lower taxes on the rich will benefit everyone.
what they think is, “poor people suck!”
and by “poor people” they mean the 99.99%.
this is america. no solidarity. all against all.
the slogan of the last 30 years has been…
the solution to poverty is not redistribution. the solution is more wealth.
that’s cool in the EMs…but it’s false or meaningless in the rich countries.
if i actually believed GOPers were motivated by trying to make poor people not poor i’d be a GOPer. i voted for bush and dole. they were non-crazy GOPers.
but that’s not it.
it’s “poor people suck! punish them!”
this is why i say G W H Bush is the greatest president since FDR.
it used to be people like bush felt noblesse oblige.
bush i was a one termer, but he raised taxes despite his pledge at the convention.
people made fun of him because he was the ultimate WASP.
people were wrong.
as i’ve said, there are advantages to an hereditary aristocracy. bush i is an example. he wasn’t that smart, but he was in-corruptible.
Franklin, Nebraska.
Also see the accusations of sexual lewdity recently against him. Anyone thats been CIA director is a candidate to be at least a borderline psychopath.
by vote for bush i meant i voted for bush ii the first time. i wasn’t old enough to vote for bush i.
iirc, i voted for dole, bush, nader, nader, blank, trump.
but i was drunk.
yeah! i thought bush ii was better than gore…
i was wrong.
sad!
Mug of Pee, your user-name was utterly disgusting. I don’t understand why your humour is so childlike. I know you think it’s hilarious and anyone who disagrees is either dumb or autistic (even university professors), but the reality is you may have frontal lobe issues, either innately or alcohol related.
i find him very funny. very socially intelligent too.
Gore was clearly better than Bush II (but both are evil).
Obama was just a little better than Romney (they’re both globalists though).
I meant to say, McCain, as that’s who he ran against the first time.
Sarah Palin sent shivers down my spine. How prole!!!
no. i wasn’t old enough to vote for dole. and i think i voted for obama one time. of course it’s irrelevant in my state. my only reason for voting for bush i were his policies on education. i thought no child left behind was a good idea. maybe it wasn’t. i hated my public hs and its liberal teachers so much it made me a temporary republican.
but i’ve always been a nazi.
we nazis are the most discriminated against group in america, a political minority. and i can’t help it. it’s genetic.
this is based in reality.
1. women tend to be smaller and have a higher body fat % than men.
2. for every 1 oz of EtOH that makes it into a woman’s blood stream, only 1/2 oz makes it into a man’s. in general.
3. the ability to hold one’s liquor is a measure of strength of personality. it is. really.
But fat people hold liquor better and being fat is usually a sign of weak impulse control. I suppose you could say alcohol addiction falls under the same quandary.
I kind of get shivers in my spine thinking about what RR wrote in literature reviews or any critiques in his english class in school. Maybe he’s better in Italian.
what are you talking about ?
Nixon is kind of a heart warming example of a Frank Grimes type that worked hard and applied his intellect to get to the top and join the WASP elite. He even has the bitterness from being a grinder. Its a pity he was removed from power.
Obama is a great example of a cult enjoining its followers and those not in the cult to embrace a vision. In this vision, the agenda of an alien elite is obscured by an artificial noble fallacy that all one has to do is work hard and apply your intellect, especially if one is not a WASP to do well.
The catch of course it that the second circumstance is irrevocably a sign of imperial decline and the intellectual bankruptcy of the elite class that Nixon had wanted to join. Because of course, the imperial ward is the output of the genetics of the people themselves, and not the output of an idea nor the output of hard work and applying intellect per se.
As the philosopher once said: Make an abstraction once removed, fool me once. Make an abstraction 2 times removed, youre a jew.
This is the same argument as the #Oscarssowhite.
If you made the oscars more black, or even in keeping with populaton percentages with all the various races in America brought in by our overlords – the Oscar no longer means ‘winning an Oscar’. The act of changing who defines the oscar ensnares the usurper with a useless trinket.
This is postmodernism. Postmodernism is abstracting the meaning of something and declaring it ‘mistaken’ or ‘null and void based on what we would like the value to be of a thing or an act’. What I am suggesting is that there are certain rituals, prizes, conferrals and milestones that don’t mean anything once you abstract the honour from the people that have historically bestowed it.
For example, if Harvard became majority black/jew as it is on course to be, then within a few lifetimes all the prestige of going to Harvard would not exist. Not because whites are ‘racist’, but because only whites can create a Harvard, or an Oscar or a Nobel Prize.
Corollary: This is why ‘objective’ awards are somewhat impossible. Again, not in the postmodern sense. What is the term I’m looking for….the Hegelian one?
#this is not postmodernism
One of the most pernicious things I’ve seen in postmodern theory and Frankfurt School theory in general is this sleight of hand.
So the analysis will usually rightly point out – you are ascribing value to something because you are a gentile white man and that is your lived experience.
Then the subtle feint of the argument will then kind of say – ‘it is moral to say that as a straight gentile male you cannot be objective’.
They offer an idea of what is objective, merely by saying one cannot be objective by living out their genetic role in this world? You see it? So next time a psychopath preacher starts mentioning this ask him – what is an “objective” stat of affairs.
Always and everywhere the response will be ‘everyone is the same, and we are the ones that know how to do it” [redacted by pp, dec 3, 2017].
Niethsche essentially dedicated his life to explaining how cult masters mind control people. It is a fascinating topic and if you notice, they never do it by appealing to base instincts or bribing them outright. The argument will always be based on ‘objectivity’, even a worldly deity. But it will never be an open bribe: “Support me and I will crush our enemies and make their women lament” – that is the utterings of a barbarian. And barbarians are honest and make the world a better place through compeitition and noble warfare. The former case of the cult preacher is done by treachery and mind control.
The worst sin of that mindset is the fundamental principle to which they subscribe, the idea that hypotheticals should not be publically or privately entertained because of the possibility that people would come to agree with them.
It’s hysterically funny to watch them deny the public forum’s right to exist because without knowing your enemy’s point of view, how do you know he’s an enemy to begin with?
It’s so hilariously self-defeating for everyone involved, but of course the real purpose has nothing to do with people being offended, or the spread of hate or the dangers inherent in these ideas but the intentional control of information dissemination by those who wish to control narrative. If a forum existed so that the public could come to grips with truth, those who currently occupy positions of power and influence would be exposed.
Antifa, BLM, and other related organizations are simply useful idiots.
But this is already well-known.
I’m basically preaching to the clergy.
indeed. “cultural marxism” is actually promoted by the powerful in order to distract the people from economic issues. can’t talk about inequality and classism because must talk about racism and homophobia. the cucks are tools just as much as the liberals.
i think trump should [redacted by pp, dec 4, 2017] may until she recants her islamophilia. you know that pakis marry their cousins in the uk too. so much that they have 30x the rate of genetic diseases. go pack to pakistan already.
Nietsches morality isnt about the strong vs the weak per se. Its about the honest vs the dishonest and treacherous.
A barbarian has a right to be barbaric.
It is the cult master that offends the natural order.
God is dead! God remains dead! And we have killed him! How shall we console ourselves, the most murderous of all murderers? The holiest and the mightiest that the world has hitherto possessed, has bled to death under our knife—who will wipe away the blood from us? With what water could we cleanse ourselves? What lustrums, what sacred games shall we have to devise? Is not the magnitude of this deed too great for us? Shall we not ourselves have to become Gods, merely to seem worthy of it? There never was a greater event—and on account of it, all who are born after us belong to a higher history than any history hitherto!’—Here the madman was silent and looked again at his hearers; they also were silent and looked at him in surprise. At last he threw his lantern on the ground, so that it broke in pieces and was extinguished. ‘I come too early,’ he then said, ‘I am not yet at the right time. This prodigious event is still on its way, and is travelling—it has not yet reached men’s ears. Lightning and thunder need time, the light of the stars needs time, deeds need time, even after they are done, to be seen and heard. This deed is as yet further from them than the furthest star—and yet they have done it!”.
Haunting!
Its kind of strange how RRs reading comprehension is lamentable but hes not an SJW.
On second thought, maybe its because his comprehension is lamentable hes not an SJW.
What’s wrong with my reading comp? You’re really listening to Lyrion, someone someone who doesn’t know about biology? I explained why I said blacks aren’t stronger I explained my reasoning against his shitty ‘prisoners have higher T’ canard. Someone who doesn’t know about biology wouldn’t get thst though.
A couple of people here are mentally ill. Sometimes they simply make offhanded remarks without thinking whether those remarks make sense or not.
But this couple of people can easily perceived how RR is…
As well the existence of ghost commenter as you.
“But this couple of people can easily perceived how RR is.”
How “am” I?
“As well the existence of ghost commenter as you.”
Whatever that means.
Describe yourself please…
“Whatever that means.”
Not sure but I think he is accusing this “Name” of being your sockuppet.
“Not sure but I think he is accusing this “Name” of being your sockuppet.”
No that’s Mugabe. Santo’s English is barely discernible, which is why I said “whatever that means.”
only a mentally ill person would think internet comments are anything like the comments commenters would make irl.
i think i get what you mean without being able to really explain it.
“I explained my reasoning against his shitty ‘prisoners have higher T’ canard.”
Please explain it again. I’m willing to change my mind.
i posted a comment about lip gallagher from tv show shameless.
funny how he is similar to chris langan.
– genius IQ
– perfect SAT
– high social IQ
– alcoholic
– low impulse control
– low class background
– violent behaviour
– despise academia
– would be considered a failure by conventional standards
– light blue eyes
Is there a correlation between Mega Test scores and WAIS scores ?
Like someone who get 140 on the WAIS will also get the equivalent of 140 on the Mega Test.
Or people like Langan who get a 185 on the Mega will get the maximum score of 155 on the WAIS.
http://www.eoht.info/page/Mega+Test+IQ
American philosopher Ronald Hoeflin (IQ=164): creator of the Mega test, the first test designed to measure IQs above 145.
Ronald Hoeflin
1 100RH to 113GT
8 128GT to 130RH to 134SM
16 140RH
22 147RH to 150SM-GT
33 160RH to 164SM to 168GT
42 174RH to 176SM to 183GT
43 177RH (Mega Society cutoff)
44 180RH to 192GT
45 174KL
46 186RH to 198GT
47 190RH to 200GT
48 193RH to 202GT
American… philosopher
will hunting is also a chris langan type genius.
with poor impulse control, high social intelligence, violent behaviour, low class background…
He is not a genius, period.
For those interested in the high IQ individuals’ fate in life read this: The Inappropriately Excluded
Dan Kurt
Link here: http://polymatharchives.blogspot.com/2015/01/the-inappropriately-excluded.html
I just noticed that my comment is exactly in the same line that this article . I am happy to discover the advisor class because I’m sure McKinsey directors are 125-155 group with an average around 140 wich is huge . And it makes sens because they advise top corporate people who are in 110-140 bracket . That explain why a McKinsey direcor makes 3-5 M euros …. (the samd with Goldman Sachs people).
I’m always weary of the claim that people like Langan are the “most intelligent person” in whatever country/the world. There are probably a number of notable scientists that could achieve scores like those on IQ tests if they were so inclined.
I think it helps people reconcile with their personal failures to know that such a man exists, who despite his intelligence has been excluded from Academia/Polite Society. It normalizes it, frees them from the shame.
I don’t think it is realistic. If the army had been interested to identify 4 and 5 sigma , for cryptography, when every male was tested, they could have identify the cleverest boys in the country . But I doubt SAT can do that . WAIS, I’ve seen sample questions and it’s wonderful up to 140, but beyond that, it test balance mind and motivation . I spend one between 30 s and 3 minutes for each Hoeflin verbal question and between 1 minutes and 15 for each numerical one . The 2 spatials I did was one in 5 minutes and the other in one hour (the ant).
I believe the 30 IQ points barrier is true . If some is 15 IQ points above me, it’s a master enlighting me. If he is 30 points above , he is a weirdo making vague distinctions, not concentrating in the main question , bizarre . So for gifted , they get on well with 50% of the population , highly gifted 15% but 4 sd people have easy communication with only 2% and for Mega people it would be only 0.1% . If you happen to be from a lower background , you d’rather be a class transfuge soon in your life . Else your doomed . You dont need schadenfreude .
It is just a fact . You can’t work happily at Walmart as an employee with a 4 sd IQ . If you are with Ivy League people , it is some easier because they know how to behave . If you become expert in a field . Then even if people don’t understand your thought process , they know by experience you are usually right , so you get some confort zone . But it is never easy . work is a school of Stoicism . I m glad to be surrounded by a small group of very high IQ people, not sociopathic, at work and have an extremely flexible schedule with no pointless meetings.