A few hours ago I noticed an explosion of traffic on my blog and rushed to twitter to see where it was coming from. It seems one of the most influential people on the planet had recently commented on a blog article I wrote.
A man who co-authored the most famous IQ book of all time (The Bell Curve) and whose 1984 book Losing Ground revolutionized U.S. social policy. What a great honor it is to have the man who Bill Kristol called America’s leading living social scientist commenting on my blog.
So everyone please be on your best behavior. You never know who’s reading.
Pumpkin Person 
it’s utter disappointment…
unless it’s 10 dimensional chess…
the odd thing (for my theory of american politics) is that trump’s disappoint-ing/-ment is not due to corruption. so what is it due to? stupidity?
don’t lose hope…
it’s only been about a year.
the trend is clear.
a world where everyone is a victim except for straight white gentiles is too ridiculous even for white trash.
oops.
i should’ve posted this…
it’s inevitable mofos.
it is the horrible, festering, gangrene of whites…
they hate whites too!
but even the trailer trash and walmart customers aren’t that stupid.
whites need to stop hating on whites.
norway for everybody.
the fight against globalism, clintons, soros, islamism, banks…
they’re all the same enemy…
P = G + E.
un-dramatic.
but reality.
watch Parts Unknown in pittsburg. liberal half-jew bourdain becomes a trumpista. no kidding. http://roletaryk.info/UDl3bWsxWwQZVCVLG1ADJE0HSFgRHEUrTmJ/EAIZOVUbDB05XVkEBXULMQsRY1RDAh40VUJdDA
it’s so obvious in retrospect that the boosters of nafta and other “free trade” agreements were lying or morons…
it’s so obvious it’s sad!
the better version:
homelessness and poverty in the US is not an economic problem.
it’s a political problem.
But you say political problem is a economic problem, its real meaning….
Murray evacuated the question that undermines most of his theories. He implied Ivy students have IQ around 140-145 when it is 120-125 . That’s not very serious .
Nb : He said that Ivy are 3-4 sd above the general population (if all people took the test) when ETS shows it is 2 sd and a max of 2.6 sd for top 5 universities. Then he said the correlation was around 0.75 whereas I always saw a 0.65 (0.7-0.8 is for similar IQ tests). The ETS data is publicly available knowledge . By itself , it ruins Murray insinuation (even if r was 0,7).
when ETS shows it is 2 sd and a max of 2.6 sd for top 5 universities
They do?
https://collegereadiness.collegeboard.org/pdf/understanding-sat-scores.pdf .There they list percentiles for sat takers and general population.
Off topic
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_studies_on_Jews#Maternal_lineages
”Maternal lineages[edit]
The maternal lineages of Jewish populations, studied by looking at mitochondrial DNA, are generally more heterogeneous.[23] Scholars such as Harry Ostrer and Raphael Falk believe this may indicate that many Jewish males found new mates from European and other communities in the places where they migrated in the diaspora after fleeing ancient Israel.[24]
Two studies in 2006 and 2008 suggested that about 40% of Ashkenazi Jews originate maternally from just four female founders which are likely of Near-Eastern origin, while the populations of Sephardi and Mizrahi Jewish communities “showed no evidence for a narrow founder effect”.[25][23] Evidence for female founders has been observed in other Jewish populations.
With the exception of Ethiopian Jews and Indian Jews, it has been argued that all of the various Jewish populations have components of mitochondrial genomes that were of Middle Eastern origin.[26][4]
In 2013, however, Richards et al. published work suggesting that an overwhelming majority of Ashkenazi Jewish maternal ancestry, estimated at “80 percent of Ashkenazi maternal ancestry comes from women indigenous to Europe, and [only] 8 percent from the Near East, with the rest uncertain”,[27] suggesting that Jewish males migrated to Europe and took new wives from the local population, and converted them to Judaism. Another study by Eva Fernandez and her colleagues argues that the K lineages in Ashkenazi Jews might have an ancient Near Eastern source.[28]”
There are HISTORICAL sources of this statements*
Because based on GENETIC sources we also can infer that, at least for shekelnazis, instead ”jewish males marrying shiksa females” this founder effect may had happened before the exodus to Europe. By this i believe historical sources is important as genetic ones.
Jewish population which was lived in Italy in that period was already higher* Why happened this disproportionate jewish-male-immigration* And why overwhelming of this jewish males married ”non-jooishch-e females”*
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Italy
well, wiki but…
The presence of jews in Greece and in Rome [and…possible consequences, possible deja vu.s..] is much more ancient than the last period of Roman Empire, seems…
“. Another study by Eva Fernandez and her colleagues argues that the K lineages in Ashkenazi Jews might have an ancient Near Eastern source.[28]”
Right. This a significant number of Ashenazim would carry Middle Eastern mtdna—and most of their paternal lineages are Mid-Eastern— (maybe, for the mtdna lineages, since K is the most common single Askhkenazic mtdna lineage at about 30%, plus the 8% recognized by Richards; about 38%), but with the rest of the mtdna, also of course, also a very significant number, (ca. 50%) being European (likely mostly Italian,), and 9% or so uncertain.
There is definitely evidence that the ancestors of Ashkenazim lived in Italy (maybe a few also in Greece/Anatolia) before they migrated to Germany, and then to Eastern Europe (having mostly come to Italy from Judea in late antiquity). Some of their most prominent families—whose genealogies were kept—in the early mid Middle ages when the proto-Ashenazim were assembling in Southern Germany, like the Kalonymous family—who came from the Italian city of Lucca—, were recorded then as coming from North and Central Italy to the Southern German cities where the Jews were based (like Metz, Worms and Shpeyer, where much of early Central European Jewish culture formed). Also the closest genetic relatives to the Ashkenazim are the Italkic jews (descended, mostly, form the Italian Jews that stayed in Italy in the Middle ages instead of migrating to Germany-recent times, descending from the Jews that arrived there in the late Roman period. (both Italkim and Ashkenazim are both mostly a genetic mixture of Mid.Eastern/Levantine and Italian—both are about 50-60% mid. East and 50% Euro.—, with the Askhenazim having a small extra ca. 3-8% Central and/or Eastern European admixture in their European fraction).(The second closest to Ashkenazim genetically are the Sephardim. There is even evidence of remnants of late Vugar Latin/early Italian in Yiddish that show evidence of centuries of phonological change from Semitic and/or Germanic influence (mostly a few verbs, like for example: bentshn, to bless, from Latin bendicare; orn, to pray from ornare, and several (traditional Yiddish) personal names—the rest being Semitic, Germanic or Slavic in origin, often most commonly Semitic.
http://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/article?id=10.1371/journal.pgen.1006644
I still fond relatively hard to believe that ashkenazis are “half Italians” and via maternal lineage start from the possible logic that middle and upper class italian/roman women tended to be pretty good looking. RR may agree with me.
“; and several (traditional Yiddish) personal names—the rest (the personal names that is) being Semitic, Germanic or Slavic in origin, often most commonly Semitic.”
To Santoculto:
I never found Ashkenazim (or other Jews) particularly unattractive. They’re basically Eastern Meditteranean types most commonly (with smaller amounts of other admixture), not unlike Northern Levantines (Syrian, Lebanese, Northern Palestinian), Southwest Anatolians, and Southern Greeks (and to a lesser extent Italians)—but, again, with some other admixture.
And many of the Roman women in question might have been working or lower middle class rather than upper. The Jews in late antique Rome tended to be working/laboring or lower middle class (many may also have been of the skilled worker/craftsman or small trader or poorer peddler class though—with poorer pedlars and skilled skilled/semi-skilled workers still comprising many in later Europe)—with some laborers, and with some fewer being more elite. The local women they married likely would have come from the same classes of native Romans (whom/with whose families they interacted—and perhaps worked and traded with—with while living in Greco-Roman towns and cities).
“I still fond relatively hard to believe that ashkenazis are “half Italians””
They’re probably close to half Italian (maybe about 25-40%), a little bit of other European/other Mediterranean from near Europe (Greek, Anatolian, then small bit of Germanic and/or Slavic), and then they’re about half (or slightly more) Middle Eastern (ca. 50-60%)—mostly Levantine.
They are not ‘half italian’. Open your eyes. Google pictures of ashkenazi jews. Google pictures of italians. Google pictures of Georgians.
Theyre from the caucuses region.
Israeli or Georgian. Hmmm can’t figure it out.
The reason why you would think that is because of the Armenoid Phenotype, however that indication is weak given how it is also found elsewhere in the middle east as well as Europe, particularly southern europe.
Furthermore, no genetic studies show them to align with the Caucasus specifically and they clearly had major influence in Italy on arrival to Europe.
Evidence that armenid type among shekels is weak***
an**
A lot of ashkenazis defitively no have a good looking, i’m talking about specially the ”pure-blood” types.
Did anyone read the paper that Jm8 linked? It’s in the discussion that the Khazar hypothesis is refuted (as seen in all other Ashkenazi Jewish DNA studies):
Before discussing the historical implications of our results, we point out two general lessons that emerge from the analysis. The first is that AJ genetics defies simple demographic theories. Hypotheses such as a wholly Khazar, Turkish, or Middle-Eastern origin have been disqualified [4–7, 17, 55], but even a model of a single Middle-Eastern and European admixture event cannot account for all of our observations
Please stop saying they’re Khazar. It’s not true.
Why bring up this issue brother/sister?
http://fathersmanifesto.net/pisa.htm
Why ”american jews” scored ”so lower” on ”PISA MATH 2006”**
Someone have their results in this PISA tests*
Father’s Manifesto is a nutcase. Read his entire entire blog. Don’t trust him!
Yes , they give now a national representative sample , besides the user score :
Click to access understanding-sat-scores.pdf
Then , you only have to pick universities advertised median or average score to know .
2017 – 2001 = 16
16 * 0.3 = 4.8
WISC-III 125 – 4.8 = 120.2
According to my adjusted childhood scores, I should be IQ 120.
That makes the most sense even though I was insane.
I still do poorly are mental manipulation and drawing.
why do you fangirl worship? i noticed it a lot
It’s not worship to accurately describe someone’s accomplishments
Dont regulate your behavior for someone else. Have some pride.
I’m not regulating my behavior, but some of the commenters may wish to.
Name the commenters who need to regulate their behaviour. I can name phil78.
Philo is just mad he isn’t the coolest “Phil” here.
no one should be regulating their behavior on an anonymous blog!!!!!
To Melo,
XD Thanks
To philospher,
Lets see, PP used my name to imply I have an IQ of 78, Ian Smith constantly referred to me as a moron or “fucktard”, and most of my insults are either used to point out actual dishonesty or laziness on behalf of my opponent or to show lack of tolerance towards obscene behavior such as posting penis photos and spam.
In your case, I called you a hack because you don’t yourself as “philospher” when you make assumptions on history. Other than being jew-wise and occasionally good points that break common thinking, you’re not as impressive as you think you are.
Anyone can have a great idea or point something else, it’s a different animal to be able to make the message spread.
I have no problem explaining my behavior, do you?
EDIT: “don” yourself.
You are a moron.
“You are a moron.”
My point exactly, you aren’t as smart as you think you are.
For some reason pumpkin moderates my replies to you.
The only comments of your I moderated in this thread were those that might offend Charles Murray.
To Jm8,
I agree with you about Shumer, you can see it in the eye projection and face structure. As for the Skin tone thing, I figured that as well seeing as Levantines in general resemble Europeans more than most non European West Eurasians as well as having signficiant fractions of very fair people.
As for red Hair, I can also buy that. Though less common than Northern Euros, Auburn hair isn;t unknown in Southern europe and is mainly due to Alpine sources. However, I have read of Armenoids having a fairly signficint amount of light features in eyes and hair.
While short on Hair data, Turkey for instance has a large number of green/hazel eyes.
“The only comments of your I moderated in this thread were those that might offend Charles Murray.”
So youve deleted my hundreds of comments then over the past year?
No i just didn’t publish some of your comments in this thread
Murray is a snowflakes??
Its just baffling. If you look at pictures of israelis in israel. And look at pictures of georgians, armenians and azeris you have got to be in total denial that they aren’t the same people.
This is what a ‘half italian’, italian/palestinian looks like:
That might well pass for a Sephardi, no doubt, but not a typical ashkenazi like Joy Behar or Chuck Schumer.
Palestinians and lebanese people don’t have hook noses. Armenians and georgians do. Its a fairly rare physiogonomy trait in the world peoples.
Jews have hook noses.
Case closed.
Well I actually do know of that Phenotype and can explain.
Among Human populations, hook or convex noses od Armenoid type occur in the caucasus, Anatolia. Syria, and other parts of the Fertile Crescent like and certain parts of Europe of Dinaric or Armenoid influence.
In europe, you have the Hook nose type also known as the “roman” nose, which more Dinaric, but in southern Italy you have the larger Armenoid type which is caused by the combination of Alpines and Mediterranean.
Therefore, this could’ve occurred from either lineage of jews and says nothing of a Caucasus exclusive origin.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenoid_race
Also you are wrong, it does occur among the Lebanese as well and is not uncommon at all in the Levant area in general.
So I guess this shows another side of your ignorance in regards to Human phenotypes.
Yes some turks have it. But they also have dark hair and brown skin which are dominant phenotype traits. The ashkenaxi jews get lighter skinned over hundress of years of predominant cousin marriage. Thats strange if you believe like retard rr that jews who were dominated by romans suddenly had roman women crawling all over them in the greatesr sexual feat in human history asides from genghis khan.
The romanians and croats turn darker with turkish admixtures from ottoman rule.
The reason why there are more ashkenazis in eastern europe than all the rest of the world combined pre hitler is because they are from khazaria.
There is no evidence in roman marriage records jews and italians mixed. None. In fact thefe are no jewish marriage records for about 600 years after the early christian period. So unless all jews converted to christianity or burned their own records or aomething, a logical explanation is that the jews were not that sexually successful with gentile women like today and the half italian nonsense is better explained by the mass conversion of kbazaria to judiasm.
This also explaons why sepherdis look like a different race of man to ashkenazis and literally have different brains even though they are ‘cousins’.
“Yes some turks have it. But they also have dark hair and brown skin which are dominant phenotype traits. The ashkenaxi jews get lighter skinned over hundress of years of predominant cousin marriage”
Yeah, that’s not how that works. in combination with foriegn admixture, armenoid can be rather pale (restraining it to Anatolians is uncessary) though I’m unsure exactly what cased the selection if the original populations wasn’t so pale.
“Thats strange if you believe like retard rr that jews who were dominated by romans suddenly had roman women crawling all over them in the greatesr sexual feat in human history asides from genghis khan.”
Was that what I said? No. All I did say was that Jews likely admixed with Italians, it was most likely merchants with mid/lower class women as Jm8 explained.
And if you read up on the DNA tracking, it was a small population.
“The romanians and croats turn darker with turkish admixtures from ottoman rule.”
Possible, but I didn’t say the Jews came from turkey, did I?
The reason why there are more ashkenazis in eastern europe than all the rest of the world combined pre hitler is because they are from khazaria.”
No, If you read up on Jewish migration Jews from Italy eventually went towards eastern Europe.
I used the ottoman example to highlight how recessive phenotypes like light skin dont hold even under minimal amounts of freign admixture. You cabt explain how jres became light skinned. Thats the problem.
The merchants would not have married local women. Read my comments below .
“There is no evidence in roman marriage records jews and italians mixed. None. In fact thefe are no jewish marriage records for about 600 years after the early christian period. So unless all jews converted to christianity or burned their own records or aomething, a logical explanation is that the jews were not that sexually successful with gentile women like today and the half italian nonsense is better explained by the mass conversion of kbazaria to judiasm.”
First of all, how are Christain Roman Marriage records are to rule out intermixing?
“In addition, this data was consistent with historians who have suggested that “many women converted to Judaism across Mediterranean Europe during the so-called Hellenistic period between about 300 B.C.E. and 30 B.C.E.”[61] Diaspora communities were established in Rome and in Southern Europe centuries before the fall of the Second Temple in 70 CE.[55]”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_studies_on_Jews#Mt-DNA_of_Ashkenazi_Jews
They were part of a significant amount of the roman empire and Southern Europe for quite a while, so to believe they didn’t mix with them when DNA supports it’s is bogus on your end.
Finally, how does Khazars converting to Judaism explain DNA results?
“This also explaons why sepherdis look like a different race of man to ashkenazis and literally have different brains even though they are ‘cousins’.”
Differences in Appearance and behavior (allegedly) could also be explained by admixture.
Yes Pill,
i have the same feelings. Maybe it’s the truth but right now i ”need” more evidence and in the end of day, ”european genes” are found among all mena populations, even iranians, seems, have a lot of ”european genes”, so it’s easy to say ”iranians are, on avg, % european and % middle eastern”.
Phenotypically speaking shekelnazis definitively don’t look at least to me, ”half ‘italian’/european and half ME”. But maybe their strong typical or characteristical phenotype is very dominant over other types.
Of course there are armenid types among italians but they are not a majority of this population while this type seems exceptionally common among shekels.
“I used the ottoman example to highlight how recessive phenotypes like light skin dont hold even under minimal amounts of freign admixture. You cabt explain how jres became light skinned. Thats the problem.”
1. Unless you have actual data on the nature if light skin versus dark skin, your assertion carries little weight.
2. Skin color doesn’t change what the DNA shows.
“The merchants would not have married local women. Read my comments below .”
Read mine on converts.
When you mentioned turks, I thought you meant simply that more dark alleles would produce a more dark population, not necessarily that dark skin naturally trumps brown skin.
In Actuality, that’s not true.
“Be as that maybe, each substitution of SLC24A5 derived allele, A, reduces MI by ~5 units. That is, it’s additive to a first approximation. Some studies do show a mild dominance effect…but of the A allele. That is, light is dominant to dark (e.g., in the Cape Verde study GG is further away from GA than AA is). It’s actually a consistent result. This is curious, because many people believe that dark skin is dominant to light skin. Thanks to genetics we know in a quantitative sense that that’s not true. In fact, perhaps the reverse is on SLC24A5 and KITLG (concretely, individuals who are heterozygous will be lighter than you would expect going by mid-parent mean).”
https://www.unz.com/gnxp/the-genetic-architecture-natural-history-of-pigmentation/
The Philosopher:
Khazaria was based in Central and Northern Caucasus, not in Armenia which is between the Southern base of the Southern Caucasus and Anatolia/the North Middle East and not the North /Central caucasus. Armenians are closer genetically to Middle Easterners (especially Anatolians and Northern Persians) than people from the Central Caucasus and northward (who have a somewhat closer affinity to parts of Eastern Europe). Ashkenazim have not been shown to have affinities with Caucasus peoples (and their Eastern European affinities and admixture, as mentioned and cited in the Shai Carmi admixture study I linked, are very minimal). Their closest genetic relatives (both autosomally/in overall ancestry, and patrilinealy) are Italkim and Sephardim who have never lived anywhere near Eastern Europe or the Caucasus (but are similarly a mixture of Levantine and South European—Sephardim are likely a mixture of a large fraction ca. 50-60% of Levantine, Greek/Hellenistic—likely from when their ancestors lived in the Greek cities of the Roman empire like Alexandria before migrating north across North Africa to Spain—and small amounts of Berber and native Iberian).
Khazaria maps:
https://www.google.com/search?biw=1045&bih=717&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=Isz1WcfAIcWXmwG5kYmwCQ&q=khazaria&oq=khazaria&gs_l=psy-ab.12…0.0.0.49539.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0….0…1..64.psy-ab..0.0.0….0.uDXV20wiEpc
Acquiline/hooked and high bridged noses and tallish narrow faces are very common in the Levant (especially the northern Levant—and somewhat in the East Med and Anatolia generally) and in Askhenazim (and to some degree in Sephardim, who have also retained a large amount of Levantine ancestry, and have those features at a higher rate than native Spaniards, who as Western Mediteraneans tend to have a bit if a different tendency in looks with broader and rounder features as in the native S.W. European “berid type”). I have often been struck by the similarity of the Lebanese, Syrians and many (esp. North) Palestinians (and to a lesser extent Greeks, Italians S.W.. Anatolians and Armenians, and Western Iraqis/Messopotamians) to many Askhenazim I’ve seen and known (and I’m from New York City). I recall a thread on forumbiodiversity a while back, about the similarity of Ashkenazim to northern Levantines (esp Lebanese) in phenotype (many are ofthe Syriad type,as Coon might have termed it—he also considered them a mix of European Med. and Levantine/Palestinian before dna testing). Some on the forum joked that every Askhenazi had a “long lost Lebanese twin” (a bit of an exaggeration perhaps; as many do look quite Levantine , but of course not all), but often close to the truth. Adam Sandler is a pretty good example of a Levantine type, as are (to give a few examples) Kafka, Edward Said,Jeff Goldblum, Mahmoud Darwish (Palestinian), and the Lebanese Singer Fairuz (when she was young pre-nose job), Benjamin Disreali (who was Sephardic), Ziad Jarrah (Lebanese), Ben Stein.
A Phoenecian from Lebanon reconstructed (to me looks a little like Howard Stern but with a wider squarer jaw,and also a bit like Edward Said):
https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&q=phoenician+reconstructed&spell=1&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiFqZn_8JXXAhWMNiYKHRA8BmEQvwUIOygA&biw=1045&bih=845&dpr=1
Examples of different kinds of Jews (including many Ashkenazim) and other levantines, with a similar common “pan Jewish” or Levantine look:
http://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/topic/8142214/1/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jews#The_Khazar_hypothesis
“A 2013 trans-genome study carried out by 30 geneticists, from 13 universities and academies, from 9 countries, assembling the largest data set available to date, for assessment of Ashkenazi Jewish genetic origins found no evidence of Khazar origin among Ashkenazi Jews. “Thus, analysis of Ashkenazi Jews together with a large sample from the region of the Khazar Khaganate corroborates the earlier results that Ashkenazi Jews derive their ancestry primarily from populations of the Middle East and Europe, that they possess considerable shared ancestry with other Jewish populations, and that there is no indication of a significant genetic contribution either from within or from north of the Caucasus region”, the authors concluded.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazar_hypothesis_of_Ashkenazi_ancestry#Genetics_and_the_Khazar_theory
” A study of Ashkenazi mitochondrial DNA by a team led by Martin B. Richards of the University of Huddersfield found no maternal lineages attributable to the Caucasus. Richards summarized the findings on the female line as such:
“[N]one [of the mtDNA] came from the North Caucasus, located along the border between Europe and Asia between the Black and Caspian seas. All of our presently available studies including my own, should thoroughly debunk one of the most questionable, but still tenacious, hypotheses: that most Ashkenazi Jews can trace their roots to the mysterious Khazar Kingdom that flourished during the ninth century in the region between the Byzantine Empire and the Persian Empire.”
“,Jeff Goldblum, Mahmoud Darwish (Palestinian), and the Lebanese Singer Fairuz (when she was young pre-nose job), Benjamin Disreali (who was Sephardic), Ziad Jarrah (Lebanese), Ben Stein.
I also meant to add in Helen Thomas (Lebanese) too (a very good example, with a look, and nose, common in the Levant).
Re: Sephardim: should be: “…when their ancestors lived in the Greek cities of the Roman empire like Alexandria before migrating West across North Africa, and then to Spain”
OF COURSE there are non-Jews with Semitic features indeed there are many them but it’s doesn’t mean that ashk look more Turk, Armenians AND Georgians than Arabs. But to me I really don’t care of they are kazharians or levantines even would be interesting to say the truth about it and sometimes I think kazharian hypothesis seems a distraction for “conspiratorialists” even because many people who believe in this hypothesis are religious and like to say “they are not real Jews”.
Jeez
Smartphone reduce my English comprehension by 80%, O_O
The best explanation for me by now is: They are originated from Anatolia, were a different tribe and already practiced endogamy retaining their “Caucasian armenoid” appearance. Their “European genes” must be studied because seems debatable if they take them just when they married “Italian women”, exclusively speaking or if they already have more of this “genes”, namely from the period when “European” genes were more common in middle east.
”OF COURSE there are non-Jews with Semitic features indeed there are many them but it’s doesn’t mean that ashk look more Turk, Armenians AND Georgians than Arabs.”
correcting: … but it’s doesn’t mean that ashekl don’t look more turk, arm and georghi than arabs.
“The best explanation for me by now is: They are originated from Anatolia, were a different tribe and already practiced endogamy retaining their “Caucasian armenoid” appearance. ”
Well The Levant is where the genes actually come from Paternally, which alose possessed the Armenoid appearance.
“Their “European genes” must be studied because seems debatable if they take them just when they married “Italian women”, exclusively speaking or if they already have more of this “genes”, namely from the period when “European” genes were more common in middle east.”
Doubtful seeing as they still would be likely to distinguish DNA. Adn define “European genes” as you would be talking of different clusters of genes or form of genes
I remember a link i read showing how ” genetically european” MENA people tend to be, genetics is quite complex and unfortunately many geneticists have a bad-attitude to clarify your domain area for laymen.
Also, some images/paintings of ancient/late antique Jews from the ca. 3rd century AD Dura Europos Synagogue in Syria (from the ancient/late antique Jewish community that lived there at the time). Not surprisingly, they look (in coloring and otherwise) very like Northern Levantines (and to some extent S. Greeks and Southern Anatolians and N. Eastern Meds/Northern Middle Easterners) and they also very much resemble many Ashkenazim, Sephardim (and of course Syrian Jews) and other Jews that have Mediterranean and Levantine origins, with light skin: light/white to paler beige/near-white complexions and brown as well as mostly dark brown-black hair—like most current Jews, Levantines, and other Meds)
http://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-206-ezra-reads-the-law-wall-painting-from-dura-europos-one-of-the-30779521.html
http://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-prophets-of-baal-on-mt-carmel-wall-painting-from-the-dura-europos-30779489.html
http://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-elijah-revives-the-widows-child-wall-painting-from-dura-europos-one-30779488.html
http://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-mordechai-ester-wall-painting-from-the-dura-europos-synagogue-one-30779485.html
http://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-fine-arts-ancient-world-syria-wall-painting-victoria-parthian-bath-18846287.html
https://chayacassano.commons.gc.cuny.edu/iconography/jewish-identity-and-the-paintings/
“That might well pass for a Sephardi, no doubt, but not a typical ashkenazi like Joy Behar or Chuck Schumer.”
Well one, Behar was born from Italians.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joy_Behar
Second, you substitute Levantine with Palestinian as if they are interchangeable when they are not in regards to specific phenotypes of that region.
But let’s get to the real issue. If Jews do not look middle eastern (which would be that armenoid phenotype that was used in the past to connect them to the region) but don’t loom european, then exactly what?
As for the girl herself, compared to Jewish females typically as Armenoids, she clearly more Med. with her larger eyes and straighter nose.
behar is italian.
what does pill think a “roman nose” is? or an aquiline nose?
At the end of the day, you have to admit its very hard to explain why ashkenazi jews look nothing like their ‘ancestors’ from the middle east. But Sephardis do indeed look middle eastern.
I met a few sephardis in work and sephardi women. I had an ashkenazi landlord and dissertation overseer in college. There is 0% doubt in my mind sephardis are much more similar in personality and behaviours to arabs than ‘fellow’ ashkenazis.
“At the end of the day, you have to admit its very hard to explain why Ashkenazi jews look nothing like their ‘ancestors’ from the middle east. But Sephardic do indeed look middle eastern.”
That depends on how you define “Middle Eastern” and how that was applied to Jews in anthropology because, based on that very information, to say they don’t is unsupported and would actually contradict your assertions of linking them with the Caucaus.
Yeah keep adjusting your ruler buddy. Some day we will figure out whether ‘middle eastern’ exist only in my imagination or not. True dat.
Actually, the question remains whether you actually know what you are talking about as it always was.
Kabyle look as Jewish as they come. Many races do, that doesn’t necessarily mean that Ashkenazi aren’t part middle-eastern.
I have a massive Jew nose myself. All the better to breathe with.
Yeah, even from thr front I could tell her nose is convex. While somewhat more of a “golden” complection and lighter hair, the general eyes and face resembles features seen in Jewish females from what I could tell.
That said, probably more general Med. features rather than specifically Armenoid as it’s really only seen in Asian Migrants in N. Africa as opposed to berbers.
https://stepfeed.com/dna-analysis-proves-arabs-aren-t-entirely-arab-4864
Interesting…
Ashkenazis came from Anatolia, Iraq and Armenia regions but they immigrated to Levant and probably maintained their armenid-like core-phenotypes. Earlier djooish story happened in Babylonia;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Iraq#Babylonia_as_the_center_of_Judaism
…After the fall of Jerusalem, Babylon would become the focus of Judaism for more than a thousand years, and the place where Jews would acclimate themselves as a people without a land…
huumm
culture-gene co-evolution changes here…
Jews seems have clearly a non-alpha [normatively good-looking] phenotypes predominance but they have or have selected to psychological traits as ambition, hyper-activity, extroversion, risk-taking/ openess, which are common features of ”leaders”.
I believe parasites are prey who ”learn” as defend themselves. Prey are usually short-size.
Always David und Goliah.
Jerusalem fell more than one time of course by irrational reasons….
To SC
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Yes Pill,
i have the same feelings. Maybe it’s the truth but right now i ”need” more evidence and in the end of day, ”european genes” are found among all mena populations, even iranians, seems, have a lot of ”european genes”, so it’s easy to say ”iranians are, on avg, % european and % middle eastern”.
That depends on how you divide DNA. What you are describing isn;t usually as blatant as that, it’s usually described as “affinity” rather than actual proportions.
In the case of European Jews, these are European specific Marker based on geography that concludes this, plus it is compared to other Jewish population and they differ.
Combined with the fact that it corresponds with where they originally entered, this isn’t unusual.
I believe and I may be wrong that this study is made by both affinity or proximity but also by proportion if is the proportion which define the affinity. Isn’t?
what did you write your dissertation on?
Think about what you are saying: jews are half italian. Their language yiddish is germanic hebrew and turkic in origin. They dont look italian. They hardly exist in italy for 1000 years.compared to even the sephardics in spain. They are theorised to have mixed with the italins sexually in early christian times despite despite being in a very looked down ipon minority and despite no other mjnorities mixing to that extent. They are similar to pakistanis in terms of marriage pattern but for the period after constantine are theorised to have had a real go at gentiles.
There is no doubt the early christians before constantine were ethnic jews. In my opinion these were sephardis and would have looked like arabs more than chuck schumer. I think you can make a case that they mass converted to christianity. But it doesnt explain why these sepharics mutated into white skinned very high iq ashkenazis we know today.
You have to think about the context. In these periods people were incredibly religious and only married people of their religion. 100% jews would have stuck to marrying other jews as much as possible. So for jews to turn into a recessive lighter skin phenotype after hundreds of years of cousin marriages makes no sense.
“Think about what you are saying: jews are half italian. Their language yiddish is germanic hebrew and turkic in origin.”
They adopted different tongues? That doesn;t rule out genetic origins.
“They dont look italian.”
Med/armenoid features. This can be found in Italy.
“They hardly exist in italy for 1000 years.compared to even the sephardics in spain.”
See my quote from the other comment.
” They are theorised to have mixed with the italins sexually in early christian times despite despite being in a very looked down ipon minority and despite no other mjnorities mixing to that extent. They are similar to pakistanis in terms of marriage pattern but for the period after constantine are theorised to have had a real go at gentiles”
Again, see my quote of how it goes even earlier than that.
“You have to think about the context. In these periods people were incredibly religious and only married people of their religion. 100% jews would have stuck to marrying other jews as much as possible.”
Yeah, what if other women converted as my link explains?
“So for jews to turn into a recessive lighter skin phenotype after hundreds of years of cousin marriages makes no sense.”
You were the one who suggested it, not me.-“The ashkenaxi jews get lighter skinned over hundress of years of predominant cousin marriage.”
”Med/armenoid features. This can be found in Italy”
IN MINORITY, armenoid geographical core is found exactly in ”caucasus”, namely in Armenia, Georgia and Turkey.
“IN MINORITY, armenoid geographical core is found exactly in ”caucasus”, namely in Armenia, Georgia and Turkey.”
Actually it’s broader than that while common in those areas, including the Levant and Fertile Crescent.
In Italy, due to a similar combination of Med and Alpines as suggested for the Caucasus, southern Italy has many identified as a local Armenoid type and due to Dinaric migration from Southern germany with the migration of Italics, you have another source for a hook Nose.
This is actually fairly common in Italy, hence the “Roman Nose”.
Also I’m fairly sure that due to the Dinaric being common in the Western Parts of the Balkans it was also called the Epriotic and Adriatic race.
Common there and in central Europe.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinaric_race#Origin_and_distribution
Still, a Levantine or European source is plausible.
When I said “minority” I don’t want to suggest: very little minority, I hope I was clear. Italians are not predominantly armenoids nor Balkan people’s. Only places where armenoids are predominantl are on Caucasus namely in Armenia, but also enough in Anatolia. Levant and fertile crescent seems no have huge predominance of armenoid types but of course they can be found in good proportion there.
“There is no doubt the early christians before constantine were ethnic jews.”
“In my opinion these were sephardis and would have looked like arabs more than chuck schumer. ”
Sephardi were specifically those of Iberia, not in general in Europe.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sephardi_Jews
“I think you can make a case that they mass converted to christianity. But it doesnt explain why these sepharics mutated into white skinned very high iq ashkenazis we know today.”
Actually it was the reverse, early pre christain southern Europeans converted to Judaism, likely out of class status.
In regards to Dark Skin, about 20% are dark.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1525/aa.1903.5.1.02a00110/pdf
My guess is, due to extended staying in Germany and Eastern Europe, as well as most Askenazi Jews in America coming from these regions, over time they may’ve been affected be selection for light skin.
” guess is, due to extended staying in Germany and Eastern Europe, as well as most Askenazi Jews in America coming from these regions, over time they may’ve been affected be selection for light skin.”
Many Levantines (and Anatolians,and Persians and other Northern Middle Easterners (as opposed those generally darker towards the south and Arabia) are light skinned as well (white to paler beige is not uncommon. And quite a few Askkenazim are beige/tan or pale beige (which is also a common skin tone in the Levant and the Northern Middle East. Admixture (from North/Central Italians—who tend to lighter skinned but still mostly brunet—and to a lesser extent, other Europeans) likely lightened their color a little. But the difference is not that great, and in both features and coloring, Ashkenazim, are still not too different from Syrian Jews, North Levantines,and Southern Greeks (but probably a little—though not much—lighter on average. Lightish brown-near blond and reddish hair also occurs at a not insignificant rate among Levantines/North Mid. Easterners (the pictures can of course easily be found online)—like the red-haired Samaritan singer Sofi Tsedaka (but of course both they and Ashkenazim are mostly darker haired)
To me Chuck Schumer looks Mediterranean (more Eastern Med) and could easily be a Levantine (or perhaps also an Italian or Greek).
Here’s him, when he was young:
https://www.google.com/search?biw=1045&bih=756&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=K9n1WZHlJsPDmwHUj4C4Aw&q=young+chuck+schumer&oq=young+chuck+schumer&gs_l=psy-ab.3..0.19325.20356.0.20551.6.6.0.0.0.0.101.506.5j1.6.0….0…1.1.64.psy-ab..0.6.502…0i13k1j0i7i30k1.0.DrJTrGcWbFU#imgrc=CrsYDWeIUfQlyM:
and somewhat older:
https://pumpkinperson.com/2017/10/28/readership-hits-record-highs-as-charles-murray-comments-on-my-blog/comment-page-1/#comment-73266
The fact that sephardis still exist is the real problem. You cant make a case sepahrdis were sexually successful with their roman conquerors but not with the portugeese or spanish. Ot makes no sense. Sepheros in those coubtries look exactly like the jews still living in palestine before israel was created.
“The fact that sephardis still exist is the real problem. You cant make a case sepahrdis were sexually successful with their roman conquerors but not with the portugeese or spanish. Ot makes no sense.”
It does when you consider how
A. The admixture is likely pre-christain
B. Christain Era relations, especially in the later periods experienced by Sephardi, would be more developed on prevent intermarriage.
” Sepheros in those coubtries look exactly like the jews still living in palestine before israel was created.”
See my reasons above.
As Phil said, intermarriage was much more likely before Christianity (when the Pagan natives were not so inherently hostile to other religions—for Christians one’s daughter converting and marrying a Jew meant she was damned to hell, while Pagans generally recognized the legitimacy of all gods and religions. Jews arrived in Italy and Greece and Anatolia in pre-Christian times. They (mostly that is) did not reach Germany and Poland, or Spain, until the Christian era (that is one reason Ashkenazim have a lot more North and Central Italian (and other Italian and/or Hellenistic) admixture than German or Slavic, and Sephardim (who are a South European Mid. Eastern mix and not identical to Mid. Eastern Jews (see my longer comment where I briefly discuss them) seem to have a little more East Med. Euro admixture than Spanish (though they have some Spanish in them as well). Both Askhkenazim and Sephardim have a range of Skin tones including both many whitish and darker beige shades (Levantines even esp. N. Levantines are really not that dark on average; they are a lighter skinned Middle Eastern region overall, and some can be quite white, with a paler near-whitish tan/beige as opposed to darker or medium beige being more common in many areas, though there are of course those exceptions with darker more brown skin also. For examples see some of the people I listed, and the images in the zetaboards “pan Jewish look” link I posted in my longer comment—you may be thinking of darker skinned middle Easterners that become somewhat more common toward the south of the Near East esp Arabia, and parts of Iraq).
No it was less likely in pagan times than even christian times. When you talk about pagans, the christians [redacted by pp, oct 30, 2017] referred to them really as savages and barbarians. They would be even more tribal. The christians were people that joined a universalist equalist cult.
I would put money that the taboo of a Spartan women marrying a persian was even worse than an early christian marrying a jew.
Another problem
If jewishness is recommendably passed via MATRILINEAR vias why they accepted so many italian/roman wifes** This law is ancient for them*
“No it was less likely in pagan times than even christian times. When you talk about pagans, the christians [redacted by pp, oct 30, 2017] referred to them really as savages and barbarians. They would be even more tribal.”
“Savages and Barbarians”, in other words the people who held to most advance cultures prior to Rome’s conversion to Christianity.
“The christians were people that joined a universalist equalist cult.”
Except with obvious contradictions.
“I would put money that the taboo of a Spartan women marrying a persian was even worse than an early christian marrying a jew.”
From 1874
https://books.google.com/books?id=y6jNAAAAMAAJ&pg=RA1-PA60&lpg=RA1-PA60&dq=roman+proselytes&source=bl&ots=4WcRRqfwgb&sig=DvlxiFQMoEbv8YMlIkN97P_0o5E&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiK4qzwqZjXAhXC6yYKHc2RC7k4ChDoAQgnMAA#v=onepage&q=roman%20proselytes&f=false
Makes special mention of WOMEN converting.
“Another problem
If jewishness is recommendably passed via MATRILINEAR vias why they accepted so many italian/roman wifes** This law is ancient for them*”
While ancient, it wasn’t always.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrilineality_in_Judaism
http://www.jpost.com/Blogs/This-Normal-Life/Roman-vs-Jewish-law-whatever-happened-to-patrilineal-descent-389254
And even then that only applies to the religion of the mother during conception and Birth of the child, not necessarily blood.
“No it was less likely in pagan times than even christian times. When you talk about pagans, the christians…”
That is incorrect. For a Christian, marry in a non Christian and converting to their religion was worse than death. It meant eternal damnation. Conversion and intermarriage was only okay if the non-Christian converted to Christianity. Pagans did not believe in a “one true religion” in the dogmatic universalist Christian sense. The Pagan government was tolerant and generally did not ban our persecute religions like the Christians did, unless they saw them as a direct political threat—like the Gaulish and British Druids became (people generally preferred their ancestral ways, but mixing cultural an otherwise and the adoption of other customs did occur), and the city of Rome was fairly cosmopolitan at the time with some significant migrant presence from the empire (though of course the general Rome region, and possibly the city, were still mostly native Italian demographically/population wise), with various foreign religions there (the cult of Isis for Egypt, the Persian cult if Mithras, the Greek Mysteries, various Semitic and Anatolian cults, which native Romans sometimes joined). Intermarriages did occur. Foreigners (like Jew, Syrians Celts, greeks, Anatolians, etc) lived in Roma and other large trading cities and there was sometimes intermarriage.
“, …and likely the city, were still mostly…”
^^Good point
Yea but I think this conversions were minority not enough to change, to found a new population.
“Yea but I think this conversions were minority not enough to change, to found a new population.”
Seeing how the founding Jewish population from which modern populations in europe spring from was estimated to be quite small, as in originally just a few hundred, it probably didn;t need much.
With that said, Elhaik, while arguing for a Khazar origin, ironically (in this argument anyway) did support major admxiture with southern europeans during the 9th and 10th century based on another study, which regardless asserted that the other component was Middle eastern. .
“for Christians one’s daughter converting and marrying a Jew meant she was damned to hell”
Also Christians, of course blames, the Jews for Christ’s death, etc.
^^Anothe good point. Phils theory has so many holes. The easiest thing would be to admit the Khazars are reflexive liars and would not admit they are imposters. I mean, why would they admit that in the service of science? It completely undermines to whole state of Israel. In my opinion, this is the theory they hate most.
“^^Anothe good point. Phils theory has so many holes. The easiest thing would be to admit the Khazars are reflexive liars and would not admit they are imposters. I mean, why would they admit that in the service of science? It completely undermines to whole state of Israel. In my opinion, this is the theory they hate most.”
My Theory? First all The Khazar theory, by your standards, has the same holwa suggest as skin color (you describe turks as dark) and how the genetics doesn’t link up.
My theory actually does have historical backing in regards to Jewish presence in Italy and their small population at the time.
Ok lets follow rrs/jm8s logic.
Paramters: jews must retain their religious identification into the 21st century. Light skin recessive.
So merchant marries local woman. Other merchant marries jew woman. 1 light skinned baby. I dark skineed. The rperoduce.
Now be very generous and say 50% of merhants married roman women who are christians who are taught to hate jews who killed jesus.
At this point the other 50% of jewish babies have to either somehow become recessive dark skinned people ….or you jack up the ratio to the point where a small minority of jewish women are reproducing. I would find it hard to believe the majority of jewish men in those times walked away from their tribe and yet managed to retain intense tribalness and later on with their italian mothers enough to mass migrate together to the tsars common area.
Another explanation at this point is that the 50% jew jew marriages offspri got lost at sea. I think this is more logical than the above.
“Ok lets follow rrs/jm8s logic.
Paramters: jews must retain their religious identification into the 21st century. Light skin recessive.”
Assuming white skin is recessive, and as I demonstrated, it is not.
“So merchant marries local woman. Other merchant marries jew woman. 1 light skinned baby. I dark skineed. The rperoduce.
Now be very generous and say 50% of merhants married roman women who are christians who are taught to hate jews who killed jesus.”
Assuming this all accord during the Christain Era of Rome.
“At this point the other 50% of jewish babies have to either somehow become recessive dark skinned people….or you jack up the ratio to the point where a small minority of jewish women are reproducing. I would find it hard to believe the majority of jewish men in those times walked away from their tribe and yet managed to retain intense tribalness and later on with their italian mothers enough to mass migrate together to the tsars common area.”
Again, Pre-Christain European female converts.
“Another explanation at this point is that the 50% jew jew marriages offspri got lost at sea. I think this is more logical than the above.”
Because you couldn’t hold your own in a serious discussion if you tried, so you cling to your rationalized simplifications.
Again, I’ve already explained a possible reason, given the occupation of north clines for along history in europe, combined with the skin diversity in Italy, they may’ve faced selection for lighter skin or possible, due to their small founding population, their ancestors on the maternal side were pale.
Right. Light skin is neither recessive nor dominant (that’s eye color and hair color not skin). Parents with different skin tones will tend to produce children on a spectrum in-between (and the same is true of hair texture, facial features and height). It’s a polygenic trait with many alleles.
http://www.gbhealthwatch.com/Trait-Skin-Color.php
“Human skin color is a “polygenic” trait, meaning multiple gene loci are involved in its expression. At last count, the International Federation of Pigment Cell Society has determined that there are a total of 378 genetic loci involved in determining skin color in human and mice.”
http://scienceblogs.com/gnxp/2008/05/21/fear-of-a-white-planet/
Its recessive. If you mix a white with a darker person the child is usually darker. Same as blue eyes. You are confusing people mating with people who carry recessive genes already in their chromosone.
“Its recessive. If you mix a white with a darker person the child is usually darker. Same as blue eyes.”
No, That’s not how it works. When you mix someone with both dark a light parents, he would be both DARKER than the light one and LIGHTER than the dark one.
It would be ADDITIVE.
“You are confusing people mating with people who carry recessive genes already in their chromosone.”
No, you are limited to Laymen perceptions of how phenotypes work.
I don’t think you get this at all. If you mix a white woman with an arab, you get a darker kid almost always. I don’t care about whether jews are looking darker or in between. The question is how they became fully light skinned. They do not look like a mix between arab and italian.
“I don’t think you get this at all. If you mix a white woman with an arab, you get a darker kid almost always. I don’t care about whether jews are looking darker or in between. The question is how they became fully light skinned. They do not look like a mix between arab and italian.”
They are not “Fully” Light Skin. I demonstrated they are closer to around 70 or 80%.
Jm8 already discussed Skin color by region.
Would a 5″10 Ashkenazi woman or a 5″10 Chinese woman be smarter statistically?
I’m thinking the Jew would still be smarter. Maybe they’d be about equal.
can i look the the correlation for these plz
Chinese woman might be better at math. Ashkenazi woman would be much more socially intelligent. Intelligence isn’t 1 thing.
it is one thing, ‘multiple intelligence’ is for retards
No its not. There is different types of brain structure. So of course it effects types of intelligence.
Congrats Pumpkin! Although I sense Charles Murrary is skeptical…
Thanks G-man! And yes he did seem skeptical
So at the end of all that basically Phil78 says christian women converted en masse to judaism when the the most famous religious current at that time was romans converting to Christianity.
THATTTTH MATTH SENNNTHH!!!
You are willing to believe that and not your own eyes. Hahahaha.
i meant roman women.
And of course light skin is recessive. I don’t need ‘data’ to confirm that. Retarded.
So phil78 basically has fallen back on a wild weird conspiracy theory concted by an ahkenazi that roman women actually secretly preferred judaism to their emperors orders.
This is why I call you a moron.
And jews that settled in Spain and Greece and Portugal look like Palestianians because they couldnt get laid, but the ones in italy did because the roman women loved their subjects so much.
“And jews that settled in Spain and Greece and Portugal look like Palestianians because they couldnt get laid, but the ones in italy did because the roman women loved their subjects so much.”
No, because Sephardi Arrived into the later Christain Era with tighter restrictions on mixing. Roman mixing occurred likely before even Early Christain influence.
No it didn’t. The pre Christian jewish population if Italy was probably among the smallest minorities. The way they write about jews they are not seen as a sizeable element of the empire. Even if they all took Roman wives, every single one and ignored jewish women, their children would mate with later incoming jews and turn them brown again. If they stil ignored jews which goes against every social convention of that day, they would have lost their tribalism and adopted Roman religions and culture. As we all know they retained their separate outsider status.
“No it didn’t. The pre Christian jewish population if Italy was probably among the smallest minorities.The way they write about jews they are not seen as a sizeable element of the empire”
That would be consistent with DNA studies showing the original population to being small.
“Even if they all took Roman wives, every single one and ignored jewish women, their children would mate with later incoming jews and turn them brown again. If they stil ignored jews which goes against every social convention of that day, they would have lost their tribalism and adopted Roman religions and culture. As we all know they retained their separate outsider status.”
Except
A. They wouldn’t loose tribalism, as they were mixing with Roman converts thus maintaing customs.
B. As for “Brown Skin”, See Jm8.
“So at the end of all that basically Phil78 says christian women converted en masse to judaism when the the most famous religious current at that time was romans converting to Christianity.
THATTTTH MATTH SENNNTHH!!!
You are willing to believe that and not your own eyes. Hahahaha.”
I repeatedly emphasize two points, this was PRE Christian and the original population was small.
“So phil78 basically has fallen back on a wild weird conspiracy theory concted by an ahkenazi that roman women actually secretly preferred judaism to their emperors orders.
This is why I call you a moron.”
No, that’s not what I said at all. I said that Jewish males, during pre-christain Era, mixed with a SMALL population of Roman women that CONVERTED to Judaism.
That sample of Roman women wouldn’t be representative if they had specific reason to convert, you distorting what I said is why I called you a hack.
“And of course light skin is recessive. I don’t need ‘data’ to confirm that. Retarded.”
No it’s not, yes you do. If Light Skin is recessive, why is it fairly common in admixed African Americans compared to Darker Africans? It’s “additive”, in which it causes intermediate shades when mixed with other ones.
Not all traits work as “dominant” and “recessive” as Eye color. You are the moron here, not me.
No, because you are saying that the jewish men all took roman wives and ignored jewish women and again in the 2nd generation, which is not plausible. Even if 30% of jewish men stayed with jewish women, their children would keep the pool of jews dark skinned and brown eyed unless as I said you keep making the assumption that jews outbred at 60-70% rates which to me would kind of destroy their tribal identity and leave much more written, linguistic and cultural evidence ashkenazis are italian stock.
If you mix a black with a white, out of 100 people, how many would say the child looks white? Be honest.
Do people call Obama white or black, and why?
“No, because you are saying that the jewish men all took roman wives and ignored jewish women and again in the 2nd generation, which is not plausible.”
See my other comment.
“Even if 30% of jewish men stayed with jewish women, their children would keep the pool of jews dark skinned and brown eyed unless as I said you keep making the assumption that jews outbred at 60-70% rates which to me would kind of destroy their tribal identity and leave much more written, linguistic and cultural evidence ashkenazis are italian stock.”
Again, see my other comments on how they mated with Roman CONVERTS.
“If you mix a black with a white, out of 100 people, how many would say the child looks white? Be honest.
Do people call Obama white or black, and why?”
That’s because, in America, you have the one drop rule.
In more realistic cultures that recognize different categories, like Brazil, shit doesn’t fly.
The Philosopher:
“If you mix a black with a white, out of 100 people, how many would say the child looks white? Be honest.
Do people call Obama white or black, and why?”
The one drop rule only exists in the the US. In The Uk, the Caribbean, Europe, and Latin American, they would generally be considered mixed (or mulatto, etc.). In Africa, they would even sometimes be called white (or sometimes “mixed, half-caste, “colored” or whatever) depending. The one drop rule has to to do with th US’s unique social history, and was not really shared by other countries—it’s not in any way scientific. Barack Obama is clearly much lighter skinned than his African father (who is for the vey dark and purely black Luo tribe), and dramatically so. he looks much whiter among Africans, and would not be considered black in Kenya and would be considered mulatto in most of the world—because he is (as Phil said, and the genetic science as well, a child will be darker than the lighter parent and lighter than the darker parent.). This can be seen in most mixed race people, such as half black/half whites, who are pretty much always significantly-much lighter than their African parent and darker than their European parent—they are in the middle (and—generally speaking that is—somewhere intermediate in most other traits associated with race; facial features, hair texture, etc), Another example would be Kwame Anthony Appiah (half English, Half West African Ashanti from Ghana).
his parents:
http://solarey.net/ghanaian-chieftain-son-marries-english-woman/
the son (Kwame, with a very common beige-light brown mulatto complexion):
http://the-orb.org/2017/09/20/interview-with-kwame-anthony-appiah/
Eye color is not additive like skin color is. Its is only controlled by a few genes (whereas skin tone is controlled by many). Its a very different kind of trait than skin tone.).
See the link below (which I posted earlier) on skin color genetics and inheritance, from Razib Khan’s old genetic blog:
http://scienceblogs.com/gnxp/2008/05/21/fear-of-a-white-planet/
“No, because you are saying that the jewish men all took roman wives and ignored jewish women and again in the 2nd generation, which is not plausible. Even if 30% of jewish men stayed with jewish women, their children would keep the pool of jews dark skinned and brown eyed”
Most Ashkenazim are dark haired and brown eyed and those that are not a are a minority. They are markedly darker on average than the paler and lighter haired and eyed Central and Eastern Europeans they lived among (such is noticeable and was noticed my the native Europeans—Jews were perceived as swarthy foreigners and racial aliens, which was substantially/significantly true), and (Jews) are closer to other Mediteranean people in coloring (both southern Europeans and the paler kinds of Middle Easterners). In the US Ashkenazim are sometimes compared to Southern Italians—the other large group of Mediterranean descent that immigrated to the US around the same time,—and in Hollywood their ability to play each other in movies is a cliche, “a Jew can play an Italian and an Italian can play a Jew”). Levantines (people from the region from Palestine to Syria, where the Middle Eastern ancestors of Jews came from) are not that dark (compared to other, more southern Middle Easterners) but mostly paler beige to almost white in many cases (with a few darker). A few Ashkenazim are still beige/tan or lightish tan-colored—like mediterranean people (I gave many examples in my longer comment and some are in the links) but they have lightened a little in color on average from the aforementioned European admixture they have.
The Jewish migrants from the near Eastern were disproportionately male, as migrations sometimes are (other diasporic Jews, like Sephardic, Italian/Italkic, Iranian ,Morocca, and Greek/Romaniote Jews, tend to have more Semitic/Hebrew ancestry on the male than the female side as well and have some some significant foreign (non-Jewish) maternal lineages (mixed with some Levantine/Semitic ones), and mostly Levantine/Semitic paternal lineages.) Some Jews (likely more male than female, but some female too) came to Rome voluntarily as traders or craftsmen, others as slaves (captured after the defeat of Judea by Rome).
They didn’t ignore Jewish women, but, as mentioned, they were outnumbered by Jewish men (as mentioned a significant number of Middle Eastern maternal lineages survive as well, a large minority).
From Henry Makow:
“Common sense tells us that five million Jews could not appear in Poland/ Russia after the defeat of the Khazarian empire in the Tenth Century unless they were Khazars.
elena kagan.jpg(left, Jewish Supreme Court Judge Elena Kagan. Kagan was the term for the Khazar king.)
Jews have long acknowledged that 95% of today’s Jews descend from Khazars. The Jewish Encyclopedia for 1925 writes that the “Khazars are a people of Turkish origin whose life and history are interwoven with the very beginning of the Jews of Russia.”
Abraham Poliak, Professor of Medieval Jewish History at Tel Aviv University writes, the descendents of Khazars “constitute now the large majority of world Jewry.” (Khazaria-The History of a Jewish Kingdom in Europe, 1951)
According to to the American Peoples’s Encyclopedia (1964), “In the year 740 AD, the Khazars were officially converted to Judaism. A century later they were cursed by the incoming Slavic-speaking people and were scattered over central Europe where they were known as Jews.” (15, p. 292)
The Encyclopedia Americana (1985) states: “The Khazars are believed to be the ancestors of of most Russian and Eastern European Jews.”
The interesting thing about the DNA studies is not that they say jews are hebrew. Its that only most of them do. The fact there are some that don’t would lead me to think the ones that pretend Ashkenazis are middle eastern are funded and cultivated by the same people in academia that make geneticists say there is no such thing as race. Also notice the way, the narrative in old academic books changes. Makow was smart to quote academic books the jews wrote themselves 70 years ago to show that they know and are well aware. Just like racial differences.
Why do you think Stalin could outmanoeuvre the 14 other jews on the bolshevik central committee.
Similar genetics.
Except if they are Turks, instead of being mixed with Italians, you would have and even harder time of explain their pale skin by your own logic.
Philosopher, you implied they predominantly have an armenoid phenotype and you also say they are khazarian, how can it be possible they are khazarian if they have an armenoid phenotype?
Read the difference between Turkic and Turk. Hungarians have ‘turkic’ ancestry.
Not really. Hungarians have a small amount of Uralic ancestry (from the Magyar invaders who brought the roots of the Hungarian language from Asia, where it replaced the native European languages that were spoken before throough elite cultural domination), but they (Hungarians)are overwhelmingly native Central European genetically, Like Czechs or Austrians. Magyars were Uralic, not Altaic, like Turkic peoples (but both came from around Central Asia)
Philosopher,
Consider three scenarios. The khazars at that time could have been a)a mix of caucasoid and mongoloid b) Mongoloid c)caucasoid. So if ashkenazis were from caucuases they have would have atleast part mongoloid features according to the first two scenarios or have alpinoid according to the third scenario. But you rarely see them having ‘wide’ nasal bridges like alpanoids. Instead you see them having some facial features more likely common in the middle east (like you yourself implied using some photos) and they have some european features…. (indicating part middle eastern and part european ancestry).
And ofcourse the genetic evidence.
“Common sense tells us that five million Jews could not appear in Poland/ Russia after the defeat of the Khazarian empire in the Tenth Century unless they were Khazars.
elena kagan.jpg(left, Jewish Supreme Court Judge Elena Kagan. Kagan was the term for the Khazar king.)”
“Common sense”, so no Data Whatsoever beyond contemporaneous Hypotheses of the time. And Druids built Stonehedge.
“Jews have long acknowledged that 95% of today’s Jews descend from Khazars. The Jewish Encyclopedia for 1925 writes that the “Khazars are a people of Turkish origin whose life and history are interwoven with the very beginning of the Jews of Russia.”
Debunked by DNA. Not to mention we are relying completely on Makow to oytline the ENTIRE VIEW of the Khazar’s credibility at the time.
“Abraham Poliak, Professor of Medieval Jewish History at Tel Aviv University writes, the descendents of Khazars “constitute now the large majority of world Jewry.” (Khazaria-The History of a Jewish Kingdom in Europe, 1951)
According to to the American Peoples’s Encyclopedia (1964), “In the year 740 AD, the Khazars were officially converted to Judaism. A century later they were cursed by the incoming Slavic-speaking people and were scattered over central Europe where they were known as Jews.” (15, p. 292)”
Again, debunked by DNA and actual records of migration.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazar_hypothesis_of_Ashkenazi_ancestry
“The Encyclopedia Americana (1985) states: “The Khazars are believed to be the ancestors of of most Russian and Eastern European Jews.”
The interesting thing about the DNA studies is not that they say jews are hebrew. Its that only most of them do. The fact there are some that don’t would lead me to think the ones that pretend Ashkenazis are middle eastern are funded and cultivated by the same people in academia that make geneticists say there is no such thing as race. Also notice the way, the narrative in old academic books changes. Makow was smart to quote academic books the jews wrote themselves 70 years ago to show that they know and are well aware. Just like racial differences.”
This is inconsistent because, first, why not just say Ashkenazis are 100% than just half?
You also write yourself in a hole because if they are Turks, which you describe yourself as light skin, you still have to explain why they are light skin.
Yes, also, some Jews (though certainly not most—most held to the traditional belief in Judean ancestry, as did many historians) at the time believed that promoting the Khazar theory might reduce anti-Semitism (if they could convince Europeans that they weren’t Semitic, they might be more accepted, or tolerated). This was before genetics, and even then many historians doubted the Khazar theory (any Khazar ancestry it is very minimal.
“That was before genetics testing, and even then…”
All caucus people are somewhat turkic in origin. Basically everyone on the steppe. But they are not turks.
The fact yiddish has turkic origins is another piece of evidence.
And you keep mentioning DNA studies. Go to the wiki page where they discuss that. Not every DNA study said they were from the mid east. Just most. Academia is controlled by jews to even deny racial differences. So I would suggest most of these studies are also fraudulent or purposeful misintepretation – the origin of many caucus people is originally turkic, thousands of years ago, so maybe the DNA is flaring that ancestry rather than what we would call the lebansese/palestinians today.
“All caucus people are somewhat turkic in origin. Basically everyone on the steppe. But they are not turks.”
That doesn’t explain Skin tone. Plus the Khazars were DIRECT Turks, not some general Caucasus people descended from them.
“The fact yiddish has turkic origins is another piece of evidence.”
Yiddish is a composite tongue, that tells little.
“And you keep mentioning DNA studies. Go to the wiki page where they discuss that. Not every DNA study said they were from the mid east. Just most. Academia is controlled by jews to even deny racial differences. So I would suggest most of these studies are also fraudulent or purposeful misintepretation – the origin of many caucus people is originally turkic, thousands of years ago, so maybe the DNA is flaring that ancestry rather than what we would call the lebansese/palestinians today.”
Except we can distinguish between those DNA signals despite their similarity.
Unless you actually have background in genetic studies, such as that with Jews, like an example of a uncommon result, I would take you less seriously than I take PP on defining negroids.
“All caucus people are somewhat turkic in origin. Basically everyone on the steppe. But they are not turks.”
No, they’re not.
The original Turkic peoples came from Central Asia (where most still live) and had Asian origins (and strong mongoloid affinities). The people of modern Turkey (or Anatolia are basically Turkicized native Anatolians with only a small amount of true Turkic ancestry (about 15% or). Turkey was conquered in the middle ages by the Seljuk Turks form Central Asia (who also brought Islam), and the Turkish language gradually came to dominate (not unlike the domination of Arabic with the Muslims conquests of Egypt, the Maghreb, Syria and Iraq and Mayar/Hungarian for instance by invaders over native majorities of non Arab Near Easterners and non-Magyar Europeans respectively—Moroccans/other Maghrebians are genetically mostly Berber, Egyptians still mostly native Egyptian and Syrians/Levantines are still mostly native Levantine rather than Arabian; and Hungarians are still genetically mostly native Central European despite their Uralic language.
People in Turkey are closer genetically to other North Mid. Eastern and East Mediterranean peoples from the region, like North Persians, Kurds, S. Greeks/Greek islanders, Armenians, and North Syrians (depending on the part of Turkey you’re talking about and which region it’s nearer to) than to true Turkic peoples like Turkomans, Kazakhs, Uyhurs, etc, from Central Asia, who look heavily East Asian (whereas Turks from Turkey look Med. Caucasoid/Mid. Eastern), and are distant cousins of the Mongolians. The South Caucasus country of Azerbaijan was also conquered and Turkicized, but are genetically closer to other (non-Turkic speaking) South Caucasus peoples like Georgians.
Most of the caucasus is not even Turkic speaking. The only country that is is Azerbaijan. The rest of the caucasus groups speak a variety of ancient indigenous Caucus languages, many belonging to language families native to and unique to the caucasus or nearby (such as Georgian, Abkhazian, Lezgian, Chechen, etc)
(and people from Turkey are not of original Turkic ancestry, for the most part, but closer to other Northern Mid Easterners and Armenians—they are not a good example of Turkic ancestry genetically and were also not Turkicized until the Middle ages, before which Turkey was Christian and Byzantine). The Armenian language or course is Indo-European (with its closest relatives in the family being Indo-Iranian and Hellenic)
Yiddish does not have Turkic origins and the claims that it does is not at al well supported and linguists do not take it seriously (only Wexler whose theory it is, and whose arguments are completely historically, and anthropologically incoherent)
It’s basically Germanic with some older Semitic influences, and later (in the case of Eastern Yiddish, but not in Western Yiddish, spoken by the Jews that stayed in the Germany region) some Slavic influences.
http://www.languagesoftheworld.info/bad-linguistics/yiddish-traced-turkey.html
“…basically/mostly Germanic, but with older Semitic influences—and a few Latin ones—, and from later periods (in the case of Eastern Yiddish, but not in Western Yiddish…) some Slavic influences.”
Other relevant links:
Any Khazar ancestry if any, would be, as I mentioned, very minimal. The main/largest ancestral components are Middle Eastern and European.
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/08/ashkenazi-jews-are-probably-not-descended-from-the-khazars/#.WfdtPK2ZPuR
http://www.languagesoftheworld.info/bad-linguistics/khazarian-hypothesis-nature-yiddish.html
http://anthromadness.blogspot.com/2016/05/elhaiks-at-it-and-wrong-again.html
“Most of the caucasus is not Turkic speaking, and never was. The only country that is is there Azerbaijan—some a few very small ethnic groups in a few very small pockets on the North Eastern fringe of the region, like Nogay, Karachi and Kumyk brought by medieval Turkic invaders (the Khazar language died out, but the aforementioned peoples and/or the Turkic-speaking Krymchaks, might be partly descended from them.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_the_Caucasus#/media/File:Caucasus-ethnic_en.svg
Some of the native languages in the northernmost caucasus, but not all as can be seen (as the maps shows) became, in more recent times absorbed/replaced by Russian (as the Russian Empire, and later the Soviet Union, expanded and Russified certain neighboring peoples).
Kazhar theory was invented to reduce anti Semitism = chutzpah
“The only country that is is there Azerbaijan—and some few very small ethnic groups in a few very…”
santo,
if khazar theory was invented to reduce anti-semitism then it will be better if we dont question that theory.
Absolutely stunning!!!
Phil is a fucking retard persisting with this jewish men were widly attractive to roman women – only in Italy, not spain/portugal/greece – theory. And/or roman women converted to judaism because…..no reason.
“Phil is a fucking retard persisting with this jewish men were widly attractive to roman women – only in Italy, not spain/portugal/greece”
You confuse admixture with attraction. They May’ve been attracted to women in those other areas but, due to time peroid of their presence and cultures of the majority, restrictions were liekly made as i’ve already explained with iberians.
“And/or roman women converted to judaism because…..no reason.”
I didn’t say “no reason”, there may’ve been a reason but I’m unsure exactly what in the specific case of Romans. I could see reasons for converts of other areas and guess with was for similar motivations.
Read the difference between Turkic and Turk. Hungarians have ‘turkic’ ancestry.
They don’t have it‚not any significant amount anyway). they are mostly native Central European with a small mount of Uralic ancestry from the Magyars (who were not Turkic but Uralic—like the Kanty and Mansi East of the Urals).
“…only in Italy, not spain/portugal/greece”
This places too. Jews from those countries have some various local maternal ancestry also (as do many other Jewish groups). They are not pure Levantines either (they are mixed Levantine with different kinds of other Mediterranean/South European). Most of their Mid. Eastern ancestors left Judea in the Hellenistic era. Romaniote/Greek Jews are mixed Greek/Levantine with Levantine paternal ancestry and mixed maternal ancestry.
(in the case of Sephardim:, after their ancestors left Judea, they lived in the Greek cities of the Roman empire like Alexandria for a while before migrating West across North Africa, and then finally to Spain”)
(My last comment above—before this one: re: Hungarians—was meant to go somewhere else (and may be a bit unnecessarily repetitive, having been stated there before by me).
Heres my sequence:
1. Jews originated from Pheonicians/Early Eygpt
2. Migrated to Palestine
3. Conquered by Rome and squashed after 3rd revolt
4. Scattered around the mediterranean along trade routes at the time (not E. Europe or Germanic states)
5. These are what we call today Sepahrdis.
6. c800AD Khazars convert to judaism
7. Records of ashkenazi in literature begin in Europe about 1000AD
Phil’s retard sequence
1. Similar steps 1-4
2. Jews became successful merchants in Roman Italy after being crushed and roman women convert to judaism
3. Jewish men ignore their own women. Roman women leave their religion to marry jews.
4. Jewish men with roman women have much more babies than jewish men with remaining jewish women
5. This happens for 6 or 7 generations to iron out the light skin complexion
6. All the italian ancestry is forgotten by jews and they stick resolutely to their new jewish faith despite admixture. These new ‘jewish’ children now have no ties to Italy despite 50% italian ancestry.
7. The jews then move northward as they have no ties to Italy despite 50% ancestry.
8. Much more of them settle in Eastern Europe than England/France for reasons no one knows why.
This theories really make little sense but if Jews are attracted where money is more abundant so they may moved from decadent Rome to new power center in Europe.
“1. Jews originated from Pheonicians/Early Eygpt”
Closer to the first guess.
”
2. Migrated to Palestine
3. Conquered by Rome and squashed after 3rd revolt
4. Scattered around the mediterranean along trade routes at the time (not E. Europe or Germanic states)
5. These are what we call today Sepahrdis.
6. c800AD Khazars convert to judaism
7. Records of ashkenazi in literature begin in Europe about 1000AD”
Now lets see how you distort what i’ve said again.
“Phil’s retard sequence
1. Similar steps 1-4
2. Jews became successful merchants in Roman Italy after being crushed and roman women convert to judaism
3. Jewish men ignore their own women. Roman women leave their religion to marry jews.”
See Jm8’s point of Jewish immigrants often being hordes of men.
“4. Jewish men with roman women have much more babies than jewish men with remaining jewish women.”
Out of the fact that they likely didn’t bring any, like Spaniards with Native American And African women in Southern America.
“5. This happens for 6 or 7 generations to iron out the light skin complexion”
This still would complicate your turkic suggestion as you describe them as dark as well.
“6. All the italian ancestry is forgotten by jews and they stick resolutely to their new jewish faith despite admixture. These new ‘jewish’ children now have no ties to Italy despite 50% italian ancestry.”
Because they were born from Converted women, who would’ve given up their culture by conversion.
“7. The jews then move northward as they have no ties to Italy despite 50% ancestry.
8. Much more of them settle in Eastern Europe than England/France for reasons no one knows why.”
“No one knows why”-Incorrect.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jews#High_and_Late_Middle_Ages_migrations
Now as for genetic data I might as well do it for you since you have yet to have done it yourself.
File:///home/chronos/u-847e6ebc289f3c7306363eddb5674a7c1bf47af1/Downloads/Dick-Read 10.7.11.pdf
Israeli-American geneticist BTW
So far, the most recent and extensive support for the Khazar Hypothesis, yet still argues that when they shifted East Eastward within europe, they mixed with Europeans to a significiant extent.
One of the sources he uses.
http://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/article?id=10.1371/journal.pgen.1006644
As well as a comment from one of his own studies.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3595026/
“Genetic studies attempting to infer the ancestry of European Jews yielded inconsistent results. Some studies pointed to the genetic similarity between European Jews and Caucasus populations like Adygei (Behar et al. 2003; Levy-Coffman 2005; Kopelman et al. 2009), whereas some pointed to the similarity to Middle Eastern populations such as Palestinians (Hammer et al. 2000; Nebel et al. 2000), and others pointed to the similarity to Southern European populations like Italians (Atzmon et al. 2010; Zoossmann-Diskin 2010). Most of these studies were done in the pregenome-wide era using uniparental markers and including different reference populations, which makes it difficult to compare their results. More recent studies employing whole genome data reported high genetic similarity of European Jews to Druze, Italian, and Middle Eastern populations (Atzmon et al. 2010; Behar et al. 2010).”
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3595026/
As for response, his result were flawed based on his samples.
https://books.google.com/books?id=s4otDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA104&lpg=PA104&dq=eran+elhaik+zionism&source=bl&ots=GkRoLyiBGK&sig=-n07e_A2YIh3xXXPMGWW0TxbstQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjzt6O1_JjXAhVD4SYKHTAQByIQ6AEIWjAI#v=onepage&q=eran%20elhaik%20zionism&f=false
And in comparison, larger samples, another issue broght up with Elhaik.
http://forward.com/news/breaking-news/339910/scholars-blast-new-study-tracing-ashkenazi-jews-to-khazars-of-ancient-turke/
“It is based on an analysis of the genomes of 367 people, mostly from the United States, who reported having Ashkenazi lineage. Using a tool called geographic population structure, the researchers compared their genomes to those of non-Jews from German lands, south Russia and the Middle East. A match was found between the Jewish group’s genetic information and that of populations in northeastern Turkey.
In an interview with JTA, Sergio DellaPergola, a prominent demographer of the Jewish people from the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, called the study, which was widely reported in mainstream media, “one of the big canards of the 21st century,” citing what he regarded as an exceedingly small study population and the absence of genetic analysis of Sephardic Jews, which he said would have undermined the findings.”
Jm8 uses a link that goes into deeper detail, but I’ll elaborate it as well.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazar_hypothesis_of_Ashkenazi_ancestry#Criticism
Basically the samples he used for “khazar” and “Levantine” proxies were weak, and dismissed the closer connection of Druze and Jews and dismissed it as “common turkic origins” despite being known to descend from Syrians.
Meant to send the link to the larger sample number and groups study compared to Elhaik, but Jm8’s link on “Anthromadness” gets the point across.
I’m guessing this is more of that jew-wise argumentation I’m supposed to be rendered muted by? Rivals Amren’s comment sections, but I guess it’s above you to really comprehend that sarcasm.
Ian, unless you have something to add, so much as a strawman littered rant like philospher’s comments, say it now or face the facts that you’re playing a 3 on 2 game in which even Santoculto doesn’t take the Khazar Theory serious and as long as I’ve known him he’s never been generous to jews.
Why you don’t accepted this comment PEPE*
Too many politically incorrect comments scare away quality commenters
>”1. Jews originated from Pheonicians/Early Eygpt””5. These are what we call today Sepahrdis”<
Correct me if i am wrong but didnt you imply that current israelis look like their neighbours and/or georgians/armeinains? And phoenocians and georgians/armenians dont look like egyptians…
Why are you contradicting yourself?
Sephardics = original/’real’ jews.
And also responsible for Iberian capitulation… and they were expelled from Iberia after the Reconquista, why***
Makow makes a very astute point. If you were migrating to places in Europe with trade, hospitable climate and favourable treatment from authorities….why would you end up in Russia? At no point in most of Russian history was it a font of liberalism.
The reason there are 50 times more jews in Russia than Italy for most of the last 500 years is because they are Khazars. Its blindingly obvious.
Would you really be surprised if the ashkenazis had committed another fraud? Read about the Khazar leader Menachem who went to Palestine to set up a refuge for defeated Khazars.
You’re jumping huge period of time to conclude this. Jews immigrated to Poland since medieval period because this country was quite rich/ regional power and tolerant with Jews. So when Poland kingdom disappeared by (((unknown reasons))) Russia empire take most part of Poland where most polish Jews lived, voi la.
“Makow makes a very astute point. If you were migrating to places in Europe with trade, hospitable climate and favourable treatment from authorities….why would you end up in Russia? At no point in most of Russian history was it a font of liberalism.
The reason there are 50 times more jews in Russia than Italy for most of the last 500 years is because they are Khazars. Its blindingly obvious.”
Only if you ignore the nature of Yiddish beyond a Turkish hypothesis, the origin of Jews migrating from Italy Eastward due to economic activities granted by the governments at the time, etc.
Phil keeps quoting these DNA studies. If I had time I’d put the pro ‘Roman women were crazy for circumcised c**k theory’ researchers names on a spreadsheet and put ‘funding source’, ‘race’, and ‘pro israel blog post/social media activity – yes/no’ on 3 columns beside and look them up. I bet I’d find a pattern.
Gypsy and RR posted articles ‘debunking’ R/K theory and it took me 10 minutes of googling to figure out all the articles were circular referencing and all done by jews.
People don’t literally contemplate. And I mean this very seriously – they cannot accept or emotionally sit with the idea that groups of people would be so psychopathic and non ‘autistic’ about science to do a brazen fraud in an organised and systematic manner.
People would rather even think that it was a ‘mistake’ or the more sophisticated version that Robert always says like ants or something.
You think these people don’t pick up phones to ask each other to change words in their articles to fit the other studies? If it happens about the subject of race, modern history, gender, and anthropology, it would certainly happen about jewish history.
The high IQ of jews is not used to obsesses about objects or ‘the truth’. Its about survival and resource acquisition. Despite their high VIQs, there are barely any jewish philosophers because jews are not interested in ‘objectivity’. Thats very hard for people to grasp pscyhologically.
“Phil keeps quoting these DNA studies. If I had time I’d put the pro ‘Roman women were crazy for circumcised c**k theory’ researchers names on a spreadsheet and put ‘funding source’, ‘race’, and ‘pro israel blog post/social media activity – yes/no’ on 3 columns beside and look them up. I bet I’d find a pattern.”
You confounding admixture to simple attraction, distorting what I said and ignoring the historical evidence I gave, and simply attributing it to jewish propaganda pretty much fits the pattern that you pretty lack the ability of basic research and communication.
You could’ve found your own pattern this the entire time yet you waste time trolling.
“Gypsy and RR posted articles ‘debunking’ R/K theory and it took me 10 minutes of googling to figure out all the articles were circular referencing and all done by jews.
People don’t literally contemplate.”
Proof?
“And I mean this very seriously – they cannot accept or emotionally sit with the idea that groups of people would be so psychopathic and non ‘autistic’ about science to do a brazen fraud in an organised and systematic manner.”
Again, proof?
“People would rather even think that it was a ‘mistake’ or the more sophisticated version that Robert always says like ants or something.
You think these people don’t pick up phones to ask each other to change words in their articles to fit the other studies? If it happens about the subject of race, modern history, gender, and anthropology, it would certainly happen about jewish history.
The high IQ of jews is not used to obsesses about objects or ‘the truth’. Its about survival and resource acquisition. Despite their high VIQs, there are barely any jewish philosophers because jews are not interested in ‘objectivity’. Thats very hard for people to grasp pscyhologically.”
What hard for you to grasp, as evident by your language, impulse control, and lack of reliance on research or extensive arguments, is that you cope with those problems by rationalizing everything to manipulated propaganda and you are right in the end.
Show me a result of a study that shows European/Russian ewish Genes being linked with the caucasus as opposed to other Jews. Show me Anthropology/-metrics of jews that places them with no link to europeans or levantine sub populations.
Show me holes in direct studies of DNA that I use, then I take you seriously.
I hope you dont mind me (i had/have? mild aspergers too) saying it but i think you have some symptoms of ASD’s like aspergers (contradictory thinking, lot of comments in many comment sections which were not related to those topics, excess obsession with some issues, repetitive) and also you might have some symptoms that look like that of mild schiz*phrenia (seeing intentions where they dont exist and also being endlessly obsessed with them). These two kinds of syndromes’….symptoms overlap in some people. I remember reading that you take some meds, what are those for?
PP please dont ban this comment,i am not saying it with the intention to humiliate. I too dont mind being pointed out if i have symptoms of any.
You idiot. I am openly a paranoid Cluster A type personality ‘disorder’. But its not a ‘disorder’ in more primitive socieites like Africa or the Wild West when you need to be vigilant. Or modern Israel controlled West.
“You idiot. I am openly a paranoid Cluster A type personality ‘disorder’. But its not a ‘disorder’ in more primitive societies like Africa or the Wild West when you need to be vigilant. Or modern Israel controlled West.”
Yeah…many would argue otherwise, mainly on the account that I highly doubt your scholarship on Africa for previous reasons, let alone the highly romanticized Wild West.
http://rstb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/371/1690/20150192#ref-16
Cultural accumulation is the major differential of cognitive skills among human populations.